Trygve Olson On The Normalization Of Bad Behavior (Hour 2)

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Not purple haze, yeah.

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Smoke them if you got them.

Well, they're doing that in Canada, unfortunately.

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I'm doing fantastic.

I know you are.

We're going to get to that in a minute.

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No, it's the morning of Pat Crite-Low live from his beautiful Lake Wistoda Studios, where he was so kind as to host us last week up there.

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How are you?

I'm great.

I'm great that the sun is out.

The haze, the smoke is less than it was earlier in the day.

It doesn't, it doesn't smell quite so much like Canada.

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Me too.

Absolutely.

Well, we brought on your brand new producer here because timely indeed, of course, I am a alum of UW-Platteville.

And when I was there, our arch enemy in sports was UW-Whitewater.

And here now, your wonderful new producer, Parker, is a recent alum.

He has his UW-Whitewater Warhawk shirt on.

Yeah.

Zomers.

There's big news.

When you try to

make this out to be like Reagan and Gorbachev here all of a sudden, is that what this is?

No,

because this is what their.

playing down

in whitewater right now.

I'm so happy.

I cannot tell you how happy I am.

This is big.

The National Championship for Division III Baseball and the Warhawks have done it.

They've done it.

And it's really impressive to in Division III because Division III is massive.

There's like 300 teams in Division III, whereas in D1 it's like 170 maybe.

So you got to beat a lot of people to get here.

And Whitewater did it with a, just blew them out.

21 to five.

Yeah.

And

I would

argue it wasn't that close.

Really?

Because

they scored late.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was very impressive.

Wayward all season, they were just smoking the ball.

They had 111 home runs this year in 55 games.

Wow.

Which is not normal.

No.

This is an

incredible senior class that they've got.

And in white water, I think Jimmy Cuskar sports director said this before.

I think there was one other season, correct me if I'm wrong, where white water was national championships in football, men's basketball and baseball.

That's the only school that's ever done that in any level.

Yeah.

Incredible.

Only ones have done that.

Yeah.

And it's just, there's such a legacy.

They call it powered by tradition is the motto there for athletics.

And they have really stuck to that.

And they just keep on going with it.

John Voedelich is the head coach there at UW Whitewater Baseball.

And I think he's been there for maybe 20 years, and he's over 800 wins now in his career.

He's just an incredible coach, which is very common for a lot of these teams in Whitewater.

Who is it that you beat again?

Who did you

beat?

Messiah.

Out of where?

Pennsylvania,

I believe.

Pennsylvania?

OK.

I believe.

I'm showing my age.

All I can, all I can picture is Edgar G. Robinson in the 10 Commandments, you

know,

as the Pharaoh going, why is there Messiah now?

It's clearly at the losing end of that baseball game.

I don't, in no way, minimizing this wonderful achievement.

Think about this, white water did something that, uh, that Satan couldn't do in 40 days and 40 nights.

I wasn't

going to go that far, but Todd Alba always will.

Absolutely.

I

understand the feeling of pride.

Todd and others had to put up with me happy about Western Michigan winning the division one men's hockey title, even though my connection is through a son-in-law who works for the team.

So it's about as flimsy as Parker's is, but in both cases, we have a lot of pride.

in these schools when they get all the way and become best in the nation.

So congratulations, Parker.

It's all on you.

You did it.

But you did it.

I will listen to existence.

They were a national runner-up last year, and I was so upset because they just ran out of pitching.

And this year, the pitching was so good.

The bats were so good.

I'm so happy.

You're a big sports guy, and you were editor of the paper there,

right?

Yeah, I was the editor of the paper this last year, the year before I was a managing editor, and I spent two years as a sports editor leading up to that.

So you probably covered some of these games.

Yeah, no, for sure.

I had a Beck and Whitewater at 917.

The Edge is our student radio station.

I created a show called Warhawk Talk.

It was all just Warhawk sports with all the student media guys covering sports.

It was a lot of fun.

Look at that, Pat.

What a deal.

I was not told any of this when he came on board as my producer.

I was told he was basically going to push some buttons and pick up my dry cleaning now and then.

And

I find out that there's all this

staffer pat.

All of this talent going on.

Well, you do get the 6 AM version of me, Pat.

This is the 2 PM version of me.

This is much more lively.

This really

is.

This really is like, you know, sugar-free Red Bull over there

in

that cup.

But Pat, you have your buddy come on, former athletic director at UW Eau Claire.

Dan Schumacher.

Dan Schumacher, thank you.

These division three teams, they mean so much to our communities all over

Wisconsin.

Oh, it's huge for all the titles that Dan helped provide for UW Eau Claire over all those years, and especially for division three schools, which again, we are washing them here in Wisconsin.

And that's a good thing.

It means in all the various communities, you get these hometown teams.

And when they excel like this, I mean, you just you can't help but puff up a little bit with with pride.

Because no matter what division three team does it if it happens here like a wise man once told me It's a great day to be

a

Wisconsinite

It is absolutely is.

And I think this does a lot for recruitment.

I mean, they're good.

They're on.

Well, what's it Parker?

They do they have some sort of form of TV coverage with this and it's a little bit of radio.

But but you get you get the school is promoted on this.

And like Pat says, it just gives you a lot of school pride to boost the spirits of the university.

Well, you mentioned earlier, the trifectas when they won basketball, baseball and football in the same season.

That was massive for Whitewater because that was like in the New York Times.

because

they

were the first team that's ever done that

in the

same year.

I forget what the number is, but they said it brought in like millions to the city economy.

I was at Platfield when Bo Ryan was the head coach there before he went to Milwaukee for a couple of seasons, then ultimately to EW Madison.

And I really feel Pat that Bo Ryan did more for recruitment at Platfield, putting on the map than almost anything else.

Oh, absolutely.

And I always love when UW Madison, you know, hires from, you know, Green Bay or some of the other schools as well.

You keep it in the state.

And it just seems like the natural way to build loyalty in a couple of different Wisconsin communities.

I just think this is a great thing overall.

I'm really happy for Parker and everybody

at

Whitewater.

Absolutely.

Who is the coach that was Leopold, right?

Lance Leopold.

Yeah, Lance

Leopold,

yeah.

Maybe Wisconsin should have hired him instead of Luke Vickle.

Well, he's at Kansas now, so he's definitely the right caliber, yeah.

Yeah, he's doing well.

Again, congrats, Parker.

We appreciate you, and thanks for coming on.

It was the end of your day, and he'll be back with Pat in the morning at 6 a.m.

See you bright and early, Pat.

All righty.

Stay tuned.

Pat and I are going to talk a little politics breaking news from Democrats, or at least a prominent one thereof.

It's the all-volts show for a Wednesday across Wisconsin on the Civic Media

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Is that steam rising off of the water?

No, it's just Pat Krightlow typing furiously every morning to bring you the freshest and best news all across the state.

Six until nine.

Morning is a Pat Krightlow.

Make sure you tune in.

Great program.

I was honored to be on today.

It was fun.

You were?

Oh yeah, you were.

Yes.

Pat's like, we got 10 more minutes to fill.

Bring all of on.

He'll be

good for a couple of you.

You impressed me.

You impressed me a lot with your coffee knowledge.

I mean, I knew you had coffee experience, but you were, as I said this morning, you're my new coffee sherpa.

Thank you.

You're going to be leading me, guiding me to the proper beans, not the one with a black and a sheen.

No, the

shiny dark.

black color that everybody markets as, you know, stronger or whatever, it's all marketing.

You want a matte, a brown matte.

finish, and that's higher quality coffee.

But no, I learned from the best Alejandro Mendez, one of the world barista champions, the first one from a coffee producing country from El Salvador in 2011.

And also Danny Mendez, no relation.

And they were some of the best of the best.

And so I bet on several coffee farms and feel honored.

So I got my info from people a heck of a lot smarter than me.

You are our Juan

Valdes.

Yes.

Yes.

That's exactly.

You and your burrow coming down the mountainside with your beans, the right beans for you and me.

I love

it.

I'm known as the Juan Valdes of civic media because many people view me as a donkey's ass.

So

that's why.

Now

you're being redundant.

All right, Patrick, some serious news coming out of Washington in the last hour or so.

You are a former Wisconsin Democratic state legislator.

I would like your take on this.

Kareem Jean-Pierre, according to CNN, who served as White House Press Secretary under former President Joe Biden, has switched her party affiliation to independent, according to a publishing company's description of her forthcoming book.

Jean Paris, who has worked in Democratic politics for decades, is set to release a new book that she will discuss Biden's decision to bow out of the 2024 election and encourage voters to look beyond the two party political system.

Before I say anything, what's your take on

this?

Well, I hadn't heard about it until a few minutes ago, so I've just been reading a little bit about the announcement of the book.

her decision to become an independent instead of a Democrat.

But she also hints at a betrayal by the Democratic Party about the decision by the president to

step out of the race for reelection.

So it may it may be less with her frustration.

People are saying, well, maybe she's not a Democrat.

It is, as you know, very possible to be a Democrat and not a fan of the Democratic Party said somebody who ran for Congress once and will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever have a kind thing to say about the D triple C. So yes, I understand how where she may be coming from on this.

But having said that,

When you work at the White House and then you know within months you're turning around and announcing a book deal You have the right to do that But I understand that it will come with deservedly savage attacks from those who see you as somebody who May have just been faking it

all along.

And yes, one can be loyal to a fault.

We're certainly finding that with the Trump administration right now.

But it just puts a bad taste in people's mouths when somebody you worked with very closely in the trenches says, I'm writing a tell all and I'm teasing you that I'm not going to hold back.

It really takes away from whatever a spree decor once existed.

Yeah.

And I feel like this is all breaking.

And so Bill Bacochian, former Tommy Thompson, Secretary of Commerce here at Wisconsin, and longtime political operative in Wisconsin.

And he tweets out that these are our direct lines in the book.

I'll take Bill at his word.

I haven't obviously sussed this out myself.

But say that Jean-Pierre claims that she, quote, never saw or spoke to Biden, unquote, quote,

I was given talking points to parrot each day, unquote.

And then another chapter, chapter three, how we got the media to defend and protect our secret, unquote.

I just, I don't know, Pat, it just, if this turns out to be accurate, it just rubs me the

wrong way.

It does.

And I will also admit to being concerned about, you know, again, what all was happening in the Biden White House, you know, you've got this Jake Tapper tell all book that is really troubling to some people.

And frankly, I don't know how else to put this.

I'm looking forward here.

Not that there wasn't concern, but again, we're talking about a president and a presidency that was more consequential than pretty much anything else in our lifetimes.

You have to go back to FDR to find as much good that was done by, oh my gosh, an imperfect person and an imperfect administration.

you know, I guess I can't, I can't claim to be shocked that not everything went perfectly in an administration that did so well, compared to an administration where they do have unwavering loyalty, and are are doing things that are absolutely, and I'm using no hyperbole here, destroying the fabric of our country.

So I guess I'm focused, I'm trying some bigger fish, if you will.

Yeah, I agree.

We haven't talked about it on this show very much at all, because I'm like, you know, I said, I want to move forward.

And most of the people, I mean, Biden certainly isn't going to run for anything ever again.

And most of the people in his inner circle are probably never going to be involved in major national politics ever again as well.

So I'm more interested in moving forward.

But but there's Jean Paris book.

I don't know.

It's just.

I guess I'm pointing the finger back at myself, and when I left my party in 2011 over Act 10 and voter rights issues, you know, I didn't go to the publisher or try to cash out.

You know, I ended up being a lead witness in a federal lawsuit against Scott Walker.

So,

I

mean, you know.

But look at you now.

You got all this coffee knowledge.

You got a mid-afternoon radio show.

You're one of the most influential voices in Wisconsin media at this point.

I know, not really.

And later, you can tell us which is better, as Jeff puts on Facebook.

House Folgers are brim decaffeinated.

You can handle these weighty topics because you are who you are.

The weighty topics

indeed.

Yeah, you know, none of those, Jeff.

Buy yourself some Wonder State coffee.

That's what you need to do.

You don't need coffee.

All you need is packed Kratlow.

It's morning to pack Kratlow six until nine.

Thank you, my friend.

I appreciate it.

You betcha, see ya.

All right, talk to you later, Pat.

Stay tuned to some more news headlines and a quick trip inspired marathon.

We'll explain it on the other side.

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Welcome back to the title ball show on the civic media running up working this 35 minutes now past the hour two o'clock on this Wednesday, hump day, June 4th, 2025.

Glad to have you along.

Zomers right on top of it, reminding me in my haze and purple fog and sinus medication.

I feel like, I feel like though today I'm slightly better Zomers.

I think so.

I would say so from an outside perspective.

My voice on a little

better.

And also, your brain seems less foggy.

As somebody who frequently has what I would describe as brain fog,

it's not intended

as a slight in any

way.

As someone who has a frequently deal with me who constantly has brain fog, I get it.

I get it.

No, I feel like I'm thinking that maybe this rain and the winds could have helped.

Get some of this pollen out of the air probably and the smoke so hope all of you are hanging in there with all these allergies and allergy season as well But he reminded me we are smack dab in the middle of our scone summer text-to-win contest up for grabs this hour a crisp Queen $100 Benjamin Franklin bill 100 bucks up this hour on the text-to-win contest You have to do it enter via the civic media app

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Yes, he

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Really?

I had

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I had not heard that part of it at all.

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By the way, that many things to pack quite low of mornings and pack quite low six until nine every morning across the network and Parker Olson, the producer of the show thereof.

Congratulations again to UW Whitewater baseball team.

for capturing the national championship just about an hour or

so ago.

Robert and McFarland text in, tell us the bloody word we did.

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We're trying to be helpful.

People don't like it when I build it up, but I think it's I a I think it's kind of funny and be I just like I like to make sure we walk people through right so they know how to do it exactly so anyway Before the break we were talking about this speaking of breaking news Karim Jean Paris former Biden administration press secretary is Announcing she's leaving or has left the Democratic Party now guess what she's Hawking a new book

Already.

I mean, the guy hasn't been out of office for months and she's already got a book about it.

And I don't know.

It rubs me the wrong way.

As Pat said, we haven't spent a lot of time on the Jake Tapper book on Biden.

I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this, but this to me is in some ways, I guess I'll use the word worse.

Tapper is a media guy and I don't know to have someone from the inner circle already.

writing a book being critical of the place she was getting her paycheck from.

It seems like she would have been a good source for the Tapper

book

or things like it, but leaving the party and writing your own book really just comes

off.

Or if you think things are really that bad when you're in the moment, step away then.

I mean...

You know, I left the Republican Party in 2011, and I'm not saying necessarily things the Biden administration were as egregious as what I witnessed in the state Republican Party.

But what I saw things that didn't add up, that were counter to what I believed in terms of voting rights, I stepped away then.

And I stopped going, I kept working for my boss, doing things on constituent relations in the district and that sort of thing.

But I stopped going to Republican Party meetings and I just said,

I'm not going to do that anymore.

So, I don't know.

It seems to be a little odd.

855-752-4842.

Mark in Prairie du Sac.

Mark, happy Wednesday to you.

You know, Joe Biden is an old guy, an old guy.

And yes, he probably did have a little bit of, you know, hesitation in his speech and all that, especially since he's been a stutterer his entire life.

But let's look at Ron Johnson, who is embarrassed Wisconsin once again.

by talking about, well, we don't need vaccines because we've got hygiene and we've got sanitation now.

And that's all we need is to combat measles.

How the hell does you combat an airborne virus, you know, by sanitation and hygiene?

It just doesn't go like that.

I mean, that's just one example.

I mean, that this anti-vaccine rhetoric that part of the right has adopted is just beyond me because

You know, I'm 67 years old now, but I can remember getting, at school, getting bussed into Superior from rural Douglas County bussed into Superior to get shot, so we didn't get there at the school.

I mean, it was just, I mean, they went around and they eradicated smallpox, they eradicated polio.

They brought measles to its heels, I mean, by the MMR vaccine.

And for this, for this idiot to be saying this kind of stuff, I mean,

What kind of competence does the staff have to say that, actually caution them at, maybe Senator, you shouldn't be saying this kind of thing.

I mean, his staff should be holding the leash around that man's, that man's mausoleum to keep his mouth shut because he says this stuff and it's just idiotic and it's going to kill people.

Appreciate the call, Mark.

Thank you very much.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842, if you want to join us off of channel 3000.com, the Madison's TBS affiliate.

This is news you could use here in Wisconsin.

The Wisconsin Department of Transportation and Division of Motor Vehicles issued a warning yesterday about a fresh wave of fishing scams.

Now, we're not talking about somebody says, well, I caught the big one and there's scam.

And we're not talking about that kind of fishing.

It's fishing with a PH, PHI, S-H-I-N-G, as in on your predominantly your cell phone.

Wisconsin DOT says the scammers are sending texts claiming to be from the DMV in an attempt to get you to click on fraudulent links to turn over personal information.

The texts warn of a quote-unquote final notice or a quote-unquote unpaid traffic violation.

To me, Zombers, this is just how low can you go.

Yeah, and scams like this have been around since forever and they were gonna keep being around Ultimately if you get email if you get mail if you get a text or a phone call asking for personal information And saying you're in some kind of dire consequence the best thing to do is to well if it's an email or a text or anything just delete it

and

then contact the company or the administration

that allegedly you have issues with directly via their official number.

Like if it's a credit card thing, call the number on the back of your card.

And if there's no real issue, then you're good.

And if there is, you can address it and you know you're talking to the right people.

I think the main thing here is a legitimate government agency.

I was going to say never.

I'll say next to never is ever going to reach out in a text on your phone.

They're never going to ask you to pay something.

via the phone.

This is why one of the reasons that I'm still a big believer in snail mail, because state agencies most often are going to send you a letter, a paper letter in the mail with their return address, as Amherst said within the letter, for more information or with questions call, and they'll give you a number to call into whatever state agency is trying to get a hold of you.

whether it's a violation of a DMV, whether it's a tax issue with the Wisconsin Department of Revenue, so on and so forth, they're going to say, call us.

They're not going to reach out to you.

And if you get a number via text or email or anything that says call us, double check on the company or government administration's website, because it could be sending you a fake number.

I really think the best, as you said earlier, the best thing on these things that come to our phones, just delete them or block the number.

Back to the story at Channel 3000 that says a similar wave of scams, impact in Wisconsin in late March to early April, DMV Bureau of Driver Services Director Tina Brady said agencies in other states, including Illinois, Florida and New York, reported an uptick in the scam texts last week.

She says, quote, given the number of calls we're getting from DMV customers, it's likely Wisconsin is the next target.

We want to protect our residents so we are quickly issuing this alert to ensure fewer victims fall for these scams, unquote.

The DMV urged using caution and being suspicious of texts demanding money.

Don't share personal information with someone who sent an unsolicited text or email.

Do not respond or engage with links in unsolicited texts or emails.

And you can subscribe to the Wisconsin DMV's official e-notify system for account activity alerts and renewal reminders.

If you fall for a victim to a scam, consider filing a police report or report the scam to the Federal Trade Commission and IC3, which I have no idea what IC3 is, but that's that's what the story says.

And look, I get it.

Sometimes they look really official and they'll badger you.

And then you think, oh my gosh, I don't want to get a big fine.

I don't want to have my driver's license pulled.

And it's very, very confusing for a lot of us.

And you don't have to be a quote unquote old person to get confused.

There was a Susan Simon channel 3000 and one of the anchors channel three years ago.

She got, I'm not sure this type of thing, but she got scammed with, I think it was a utility thing.

And she was very public about it.

I think Adam Schreger was the reporter at the time of channel three and an interview Susan said interview me I want I want to it's kind of embarrassing, but I want people to know this so they don't get scammed

Yes, and the ic3 website for it is ic3.gov.

It is the internet crime complaint center It is it is a good place to report these kind of things

cool Chris listening in Blue River on WRCE says good afternoon Todd.

Is there any chance?

the scammers have received our information from the DMV.

Don't they sell our personal information?

Great question, Chris.

Last I knew, don't quote me, but last I knew, you can, we as Wisconsinites can opt in or out on, I think it was our taxes or so, or what do you get?

Your driver's license renewed, there's in the fine print you can put either, you know, don't sell my information or sell it.

So yes, A, I think some not,

All but some of our information is is public knowledge and and people could get that but be Once again, I think this is just I don't have a science to back this up But it seems like ever since Elon Musk take a musk came to town and his department of doggy It's already been proven that a lot of the are you know name address phone number this sort of thing has been sold on the dark web

So, there's a lot of suspicion.

Just use your common sense.

Use your gut.

If it doesn't feel right, do not engage.

Engage with us.

Come on back.

Gonna start talking about this brand-new marathon involving quick drip and beer.

Say what?

It's Civic Media's Tonal Bull Show.

Welcome back to the title of the show on the Senate Video Reading Network.

Grab your partner, or if you don't have one, just get up and do a little jig, a little polka in the kitchen wherever you're listening to us.

If you're in the car, don't stand up.

just keep driving and enjoying nothing better than a fine polka welcome back eight minutes before the hour of three o'clock all but along the zombers across the civic media and radio network coming up in hour two Mr. Trigvie Olson normally an hour one with Patrick but Trigvie's a busy man he's gonna carve out some time in hour two gonna join us for a what's worse addition today getting up in the morning

or oversleeping.

What's worse, wide awake in the middle of the night or oversleeping.

We'll discuss that later too.

Trigvie will talk to us about some happenings out.

I shouldn't say he's coming to us from DC.

He has a new sub-stack.

We're going to talk about that and discussing some really important issues that Pat highlighted this morning on his show.

So we'll talk to Trigvie about that.

Packers, I'm sure, will ultimately come up and much, much more.

Maybe we'll continue on with this story of Trigby as well.

He's gonna love this by the way This is fantastic and many thanks to our very old Luke matters for finding this and putting it on my desk this morning I love every part About this next story comes to us from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and the great reporter J. R Radcliffe says Wisconsin themed marathons featuring culvers quick trip

and beer.

Now right there he got me.

I mean, there's nothing in that headline I don't like.

So you have me at hello.

Rackliffe writes, quote, Clayton Youngberg's hip could fail him any moment.

In 2018, a brainstem injury robbed him of walking at all.

And up until a month ago, Youngberg had almost no footprint.

on social media.

Naturally, that means he's running a marathon a week, eating Culver's cheese curds along the way, and posting his voyages on TikTok and acquiring almost instant viral fame.

How about that?

I mean, this is a great story of, hey, if something happens to you, you can sit around and feel a story for yourself where you can say, hey, how can I make hey of the situation?

Absolutely.

And I think...

He has some really clever ways of doing it.

He really does.

Back to the story in the walking journal Sentinel says the Aconomalock resident has turned his quest for absurdist feats of exercise into a charming online presence, running more than 30 miles in a roundabout near his home, followed by a Culver's Marathon in which he stopped for cheese curds and ice cream at local branches.

and a quick trip marathon where he rehydrated only on items found inside various locations along the route.

How about that?

And one particularly arduous adventure fueled by brats and non-alcoholic beer.

He says there's more to come.

Now that's fantastic.

I mean, just how creative is that?

You do something that's a little out there and you get attention and you build your social media following.

Honestly, I think this guy deserves to be highlighted for what makes Wisconsin great.

Maybe we can get him to

join us on the next tour.

I think he should be on the show.

I mean, I mean, it's almost like, you know, you might think of like a tournament of quick trips or something like that.

Something just fell off the wall.

Something pretty cool that really

fits the vibe of the

show.

It really fits the vibe of the show.

He says, quote, I've just been doing this for so long off camera.

These sorts of ridiculous things.

these absurdist feats of exercise.

I've been casually running or exercising for 10 years, believe it or not.

I'm not the very first to do the roundabout run.

I came across a seven-year-old Reddit post.

Reddit is another social media platform for those that might not know.

And I was hysterical for about three minutes after I read it.

I knew I had to do it.

I almost left the phone at home, honestly.

But I thought this was a good one to share, he says.

Though he said he'd been essentially a ghost, quote unquote, on social media up to that point, he decided to try to capture the 777 loops in his roundabout run on April 28th, at which point he created the FF, so I guess three Fs, FFFWisco, FFFWisco, that's WISCO, TikTok Channel.

and other social media platforms.

You wanna see this guy, if you're on TikTok, go to FFFWisco.

How about that?

So apparently if you do 777 loops in a roundabout, that is equal to a marathon.

And you have the added bonus of confusing everybody who uses that roundabout, especially if they go there multiple times in a day.

I think I get dizzy.

I definitely, I couldn't do this for numerous reasons.

That was funny.

Back to the story, he says, once a content creator for Android magazine, he had past experiences in the practice, plus a solid knowledge of cell phone recording functions.

He says, quote, my gears were turning for fitness content.

I just didn't want to be one of a million people posting themselves as experts.

This is what you should do.

These are five things you should do.

I needed an angle, he said.

And this was right up my alley.

He says he didn't do it haphazardly.

He studied the rhythms of TikTok to figure out the best way to edit his story.

That's genius.

He didn't have a presence on Facebook or Instagram, but he knew the videos would work there as well.

He admits he had a hunch the roundabout would get attention.

He generated buzz thanks to the passersby noticing him.

There you go, Summers, as he went out and went on it one day.

But it wasn't just a local phenomenon.

The roundabout video, get this.

has had well over 300,000 views on TikTok alone, getting attention in places like Minnesota and Illinois, in addition to Wisconsin.

How about that?

I love, as I said, I love every part about this story.

It's a very smart guy doing a very cool thing.

And the fact, I mean,

Clearly he's had a little bit of practice and in camera stuff and socials before but we'll come back.

We'll bring this up with Trigby.

See I think he's gonna like this story.

I think so too.

Yeah.

Trigby Olson, what's worse and talk a little bit about what's happening in the United States of America politically.

Don't go anywhere.

It's the all-ball show for a Wednesday on the Civic Media Radio Network.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app,

Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Todd Alba, along with our outstanding producer and engineer, Mr. Aaron Zommers, on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome in to hour number two of the big program on this Wednesday, June 4th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite and... Pump day!

How about that?

The cable has brought us halfway through the work week.

A little still, some air quality advisories.

over much of not all of Wisconsin as those wildfires from Canada continue to rage and It's gonna well be here around Wisconsin at least through today The rain that we had overnight and still continuing to part to Wisconsin is gonna help to push that out and hopefully the pollen as well

And as my allergies continue to wreak havoc, I apologize for that.

But the sun is out, at least partially here, Summers, in downtown Madison through the smoke.

It sure is,

through

the fire and flames, as some may say.

Fire and flames, very good.

Speaking of fire and flames, we bring on our next guest this hour.

He usually joins us in hour number one.

He had a meeting, so he was kind enough to join us here in hour number two.

Pat Crite low was filling the spot alone, but he did a marvelous job.

We have Parker Parker Olson, our new producer for Pat show on today, but now joining us from the wonderful suburbs of our nation's capital of Washington, DC.

No, I don't see him.

I see him online.

Well, I will come in by you.

We're having, seems to be a theme this week.

We seem to be having technical difficulties.

But never having a difficulty, the one, the only senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trig V. Olson.

How are you, my friend?

Oh Lord, hang on, hang on.

Apparently now there's still technical difficulties on our end as you're muted, unless there's something on your end that's muted.

We're having, this is not Zahmer's fault, by the way.

The system in which we do this show over the video and audio portion, it's glitchy.

as is, by the way, our podcast version of the show.

Essentially, if you want to see the show in its full proper context, come down to State Street.

We're going to do a live version out of the street later on this afternoon.

This will be absolutely fantastic.

Well, while Trevi can keep talking, Zommerz is going to work on that.

He always works his magic.

Thank goodness for Zommerz.

He's smarter than any of these computers.

See if we just use Zommerz's brain.

Everything will be fine as it turns out.

But can you hear me, Trigly?

I can hear you.

You hear me.

Yes.

Now we can hear you.

Welcome.

Zombers disappeared.

It's like total anarchy.

I'm texting you.

I'm like, Aaron, Aaron.

It wasn't him.

It's it's this.

It's it's the computers, Trigby.

It's a I. That's the problem.

Aaron, can you hear me?

Yes,

we're good.

Oh, good.

All right.

My former boss, he'd be traveling around Southwest Wisconsin where the service, any cell service is spotty because of the driftless hills and whatnot.

And he'd want to continue the conversation and be cutting in now and he'd say, Bombay, this is Rangoon, are you there?

How are you, my friend?

I'm fantastic.

How are you?

I'm great.

Now that you're here, it's been a great job.

I

know, Todd.

I know.

I haven't seen Zomers in forever.

We had that other guy.

I don't even know who that guy is.

Sam Davidson.

No, I know.

Sam's going off to make the world a better place by teaching.

He is.

But I'm glad Zomers is back.

Yeah.

Zomers is way better with his choice of music.

You're

looking

very pink today, Trippie.

Very nice

of you.

It's not a mega hat.

No, it's a Wisconsin hat.

And I almost lost it at the rink.

I left it at the rink, but they knew it was mine, so

yeah.

Before we play...

What's worse?

I want to finish up on this story.

We started last hour I think you're gonna like this because this comes to us from JR Radcliffe from the walk the walkie-drills sentinel Clayton Youngberg who has hip problems.

We're gonna get into that in a second, but here's a guy Who he started running marathons in in his roundabout?

777 laps around about equals a marathon.

He did a Calver's marathon where he stopped for cheese curds and ice creams at all the local branches around Wisconsin.

And then he did a quick trip marathon in which he only rehydrated using items found inside various quick trip locations on his route.

And then another adventure fueled by Bratz a non-alcoholic beer.

And he put this on on TikTok and socials and it's blowing up.

People are loving this all around the country.

This very Wisconsin focused stuff.

Isn't that great?

First of all, he only stopped that quick trip.

They have Gatorade that quick trip.

I don't understand what's impressive about the quick trip part.

Now, the brats and non-alcoholic beer, that's pretty good.

Yeah, I think

it's all great.

But here's here.

And honestly, if some guy ran around.

the roundabout in my neighborhood 780 times.

I'm not sure.

I wouldn't.

I'd call the cops.

I hate to be that guy.

Get out there.

I hate to be like Derek Van Orton, but I get off my lawn.

But here's the really cool part and the serious part in 2018.

I can't say these words not because they're bad and you can't pronounce them.

He says he suffered a rare condition known as I'll try it.

Central.

pontine melanosis, an impact in the brainstem from a rapid correction of sodium levels in his body.

He lost nerve function in his arms, legs, and vocal cord, spent a month at physical rehab.

He was discharged in a wheelchair and endured six months of physical therapy before he could run again.

And if that isn't bad enough, he also suffers from avascular neurosis, essentially it's bone death.

at the hip end of his femur, it's already partially collapsed, but it probably is a hip replacement at some point, but here's a guy who had all that happen, and instead of sitting around feeling sorry for himself, he said, I'm gonna bring some awareness and have some fun with this, and he does all this on social media for fun, and I just think that's a great spirit to have.

Yeah.

It's a good spirit to have right.

I still think though if you're his neighbor and the guys run 700 times around your own boat You're thinking about getting out your shot.

Oh my good Lord says have you ever come maybe not your shotgun but

When you

go out there you say hey, what are you doing?

I'm running around 777.

What are you doing?

I'm running a marathon right for awareness reminds me of a really off-colored joke that I can't

well don't say

It says, he asks, have you ever crushed a donut mid-marathon or armed your watering pack with foamy beer?

Well, on Memorial Day, Young Bird showed up at Menards in Waukesha, adorned in construction gear, preparing for his next 26.2 mile adventure up and down the sidewalk in front of the popular Wisconsin hardware store.

He says, quote, I'm definitely open to ideas.

I feel like I have an image for what I want to do, though.

Before I'm open to too many ideas, I want to carve out my own lane as the channel, his YouTube channel is growing.

I want to stick to the ridiculous ideas that I have.

How about that?

I have one for him.

What's that?

He should run around Lambeau Field, the marathon number of times.

I like

that.

I like

that a lot.

You know, that big block just circles.

Of course, he couldn't have anybody videotape him because the Green Bay Packers won't allow it.

We found that out of the background.

We learned that the hard way.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, so this is

coming up on.

I may be an NFL owner, but I don't have enough shtick to get that

thing.

Trigby could not get us on the inside Lambo.

Very touchy about things up there.

Let's see.

Let's do this quick one second.

Tell us what's new with your family for 30 seconds.

Why do this?

What's new with my family?

Well, we're in the process of wrapping up the school year, which Wisconsinites are all probably going through, although Wisconsin might be out.

I believe so.

Virginia, they get out of school so late.

Yeah, so

we.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I mean it's the end of the school year, right?

So they're ready to be done the teachers are ready to be done like So I don't even know why they're still going

has your daughter's chosen a university yet.

She's been on these University

two.

No, no, no, she's only a sophomore I know but we're gonna do it.

We're we're planning on doing a little trip through she likes the big ten ideas Oh, she's big fan at Wisconsin.

She could be an intern at the on the Todd all-bar show

I don't know if you talked about this last week since I wasn't here, but I hear that she has a pilot

license now.

Yeah, she does.

She she got her learner's permit and she went over Memorial Day weekend flying.

My wife went as the passenger

and she

asked which one of us wanted to go.

I said, you know what?

I'd like two million miles on United.

Erica can do that.

I don't like small planes.

Uh, you know, that guy, the other Aaron Zahmers that we had last week, the other guy.

Yeah.

The AI version.

The AI Aaron.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He wasn't as engaging as this one.

That's not true.

Are we going to play?

Are we going to get around to this or are we going to get around to this or that?

All right.

I do.

Because the other guy didn't get the camel on time.

Let's.

Zombers never misses with the camel.

All right.

Time was again for what you know is what I'm talking about when I say we're are we playing this or that?

Let's go.

Of course, the choice is yours.

You can get with this, or you can get with that.

Yes, time once again for What's Worse, nothing to give away, no prize money involved, but it is your chance to have your voice heard all across the state of Wisconsin.

All right, let's get to it.

Category today from our wonderful writers, and boy, I don't know, I can trick you, this will

resonate with you.

The category

today,

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Aaron, watching us, not our own Aaron Zommer, is another Aaron watching us on YouTube.

We appreciate that.

Aaron says, I love the show.

Watching from South Milwaukee.

Thanks, Aaron.

We appreciate that.

We did a show there last year with Crite Low down in South Milwaukee at the high school down there.

Great facility, by the way.

Absolutely.

Keep waiting for us on this next tour.

We've got to do it from somebody's backyard.

All right, well, we'll do that.

A listener's backyard.

A listener's backyard.

The other Aaron would be willing to post

us.

Eight, five, five, seven,

five.

Aaron, we're a lot of fun and we're even more

fun if you had us in South Milwaukee.

Absolutely.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Awake in the middle of the night or oversleeping.

What's worse?

Trigby, about a little minute left or so.

Any thoughts on?

You're a, you're not a morning

person.

I have a thought.

Yeah.

This is why the name of the show should be not what's worse, but this or that, because this one actually is a three-part question, this or that or that.

There is oversleeping.

There is a wake in the middle of the night or there is I cannot fall asleep.

Well, OK, sure.

But if I don't have that option.

Oh, man.

But if you can't fall asleep, I oversleep all the time.

And honestly, I don't really mind oversleeping.

Cause I'm a consultant.

You got a problem.

I got a plank catch.

So I would say awake in the middle of the night is worse.

That's right.

Trigby Olson doesn't have a real job.

So what does he care if he oversleeps?

Except we're on the road and we're waiting in the lobby at

9 30.

Where's Trigby?

Yeah, that's true.

Farm boy and Todd is up at.

4 a.m.

to milk the cows.

I would say I'm up

at 4 a.m., but, you know, we got

a

schedule to keep.

What's worse, awake in the middle of the night or oversleeping, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Come on back.

We'll discuss this politics and pride month and how it relates to the Packers.

Stay with us.

When I find myself in times of trouble mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom Let it be Welcome back to the town ball show on the cynically the already upward little Beatles there.

I'm telling you I don't want to go into the hole is 23 minutes past the hour by the way Machines are going to be our downfall AI is going to be our downfall

Well, we let machine start AI

whiff AI trig V whiffed on that

one.

Yeah.

Yes.

100%

A. I try and I will tell

you, I said to it, what should it play for the next one?

And I'm pretty sure that like our regular listeners, including L.A.

Tom are going to be like, boy, I trig V to hit trig.

Yeah.

Real Trig V would have done a better job.

All right,

we're asked.

No, the real Trig V. The next one is real Trig V. All

right.

We're right in the middle of what's worse category today.

Awake in the middle of the night or oversleeping.

Awake in the middle of the night or oversleep.

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Or you can text us on the Civic Media app, just download it and click on one of the stations and text us your thoughts.

Or on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, Aaron watching us on YouTube says, awake in the middle of the night.

is worse when you know that you have to work at six a.m.

Boy, howdy.

I've been there before.

Yeah, absolutely.

Let's see here off of the text line right now.

We have Michael, who is listening to us in on WMDX, but is in TOSA says oversleeping is worse.

That means you're late for something.

Yeah, usually I've certainly been there.

Philip.

listening to us in Beaver Dam on WMDX up in the middle of the night.

Ends up making you oversleep.

Thank you, Philip.

We appreciate your listenership.

Diane, here in Madison, listening on WMDX says, awake in the middle of the night is worse.

Thanks, Diane.

Judy in beautiful Lodi, Wisconsin.

Listening on MDX says, I hate oversleeping because then I worry that I'll be late for work.

It throws me off all day.

Being awake in the middle of the night just means I'll be really tired, but I will at work.

It doesn't matter during the weekend, only the work week, Judy from Lodi.

And Conrad, up in Green Bay, is this our Conrad, is that right?

Conrad, the producer of Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, in which I will be appearing tonight at 7.20.

I'm going to be given a Wisconsin quiz.

Is that so?

Did you read his text?

Of which I do not know.

Oh, here.

I was given a prop.

So here it is.

Conrad says, is it true that Todd will be joining Night Light Tonight at 7.20 to face off?

I didn't know it was a contest against Pete at a very special Night Light Quiz.

Now, that sounds like a show you wouldn't want to miss.

Yes, with the shameless plug.

Yes, it is.

Now, I didn't know I was going to be pitted against Schwabba.

But tune in to 720.