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Good afternoon, everybody.
I'm Tyler Ball along with Mr. Sam Davison, a producer and engineer for the day.
It is Wednesday, May 28th, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite.
And it is.
Do we have a kid?
Oh, my God.
That's it.
Sorry.
That was fantastic.
I forgot it was a Wednesday.
That was
quick.?
There we go.
There
we go.?
It was a dancing camel.?
We again wish a fond farewell to Sam Davis.
No,
it was
great.
That was the best possible thing.
Hello, everybody.
Glad to have you along with us at the Civic Media World headquarters here on State Street.
Overcast skies today.
It looks like some rain coming in for much of Wisconsin today into tonight.
And then warming up for the end of the week.
Yes, Mr. Zommers is out.
Doctor visit.
Nothing serious, but he'll be back tomorrow.
All things considered.
But.
But ladies and gentlemen, we are very thrilled and honored.
Whatever Zomers is not here to have Mr. Sam Davidson, the producer of John and Gordy here at WMDX in Madison.
And folks, this will be our most likely our last time with Sam because Friday is his last day here at Civic Media, although he just missed a camel.
I mean, come on.
That's
right.
Oh, I'm sorry.
There's something else.
Sorry.
No, you're you're.
You're doing some other stuff, right,
Sam?
That's right.
Well, the long-term plan is to become a high school teacher, social studies teacher.
This summer, I'm taking off, though, to work at a summer camp I used to work at.
Boy Scouts of America?
That's right.
Looking forward to it.
I think this is fantastic.
And we all, and by the way, joining us, the host of, oh, I almost said, geez, I already did, almost said, up north, he was, the host of Mornings.
I should get you one of them scripty things.
Right, with Pat Kretlow.
Mr. Pat Kretlow himself from beautiful Lake Wissota.
these studios there, which he was kind enough to share with us last Friday, and joining us from our nation's capital in the Tony suburbs of Arlington, the former Republican like myself, and now a senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trig V. Olson.
Trig V. and Pat, we've talked about public education so often on this show, and Pat, I know you have spent a lot of time on yours.
Don't we need more great teachers at our public schools like Sam Davidson?
We do need more great teachers in our public schools.
And I believe Sam Davison has the potential to be one of them.
Yes.
day.
With a little bit more practice.
Yes.
E2.
No.
I recall when he told.
When he told me that live on our air, I'm sure folks heard me right away kind of startled and gushing.
It was like, this is great.
We need this.
We need more civics.
We need more social studies.
We need all of the things.
And Sam, I can't think of a better person to go in and do that.
So I am, I am genuinely thrilled for him and know that he'll he's going to change lives.
Yeah.
Thank you, Pat.
Absolutely.
Really appreciate everything you've done, Sam, for not just our show, but this network.
And he will be forever remembered on this show for the Sam Davidson street cam, which he set up and created.
Let's take a live shot for those watching the stream, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.
Look at that shot.
Right down there, the Sam Davidson Street Cam, right on the corner of State Street and Fairchild.
It's a beautiful day, a little
overcast.
Sleepiest capital city in the
world.
Yeah, exactly.
The legislature's not working, so.
That's a good point.
Now what's going on down here?
Thank you, Sam.
We'll check in more, Sam, a little bit later.
I'll throw out the show.
Hour number two, we might actually do a little My Favorite Sam's, a segment we call My Favorite Sam's in hour number two.
in hour number two today.
I'm gonna do a little what's worse for you.
Today's category, a la carte menus or buffets.
A la carte menus or Jimmy Buffett's or buffets.
We'll discuss that in hour two.
But first of all, gentlemen, want to get into a little newsy news.
And by the way, we're gonna break.
Whenever she calls in, we have a special guest calling in because I had an MRI yesterday and I'm bringing in help to diagnose it.
So some more of that a little bit later.
But I actually had
their medical problems on the all ball show today.
I raise a glass of metamucle to you both.
The prep is
terrible.
Sam's like I cannot leave here soon enough Honestly
or I can
get to that in a minute, but let's do some serious stuff till till dr. Lylee calls in I want to start wait
wait wait wait your your MRI is being diagnosed by your gynecologist dr. Lylee.
Yes.
Yes.
That fantastic
All right, I'll allow it.
Go ahead.
Thank you.
The Joint Finance Committee and this rumor they're gonna have an executive session finally this week.
We had State Senator Kelder Royson last week and she's been making weekly appearances so kind enough to do that a member of JFC and Pat let's start with you a former Democratic State Senator here in Madison.
This seems weird to me this process.
We talked a little bit about it on your show this morning and now there are signals that
that maybe some Democrats want Governor Evers just to outright veto whatever Republicans send him?
They could.
I mean, that's one possibility.
And there were many people in the Capitol yesterday on behalf of a coalition of groups that were saying, look, if this budget, instead of trying to fix a bad budget with partial vetoes, just veto the entire thing and tell the legislature to start over.
And as we covered on the program this morning,
You know, that comes with the risks because this isn't the federal government where, you know, you have a shutdown if there's no budget.
It just continues under the current budget, you know, in perpetuity.
And Republicans don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
It then becomes a messaging war.
You know, is it that the lazy legislature isn't doing its job or is it that the governor wouldn't come to the negotiating table?
And the thing, the thing at the bottom of all this is the mistrust.
And there is so much.
distrust between Republicans and the governor, nearly all of which lies on the side of Republicans who from the get-go, from the moment Tony Evers was elected, looked for ways to undermine what he's done, took away some of his powers, haven't confirmed so many of his nominees, never working off of his budget bill but, you know, insisting on starting on their own.
And
They simply don't have the moral high ground on this.
However, they really won't think twice if they don't have to pass a budget at all in my view.
Trivi Olsen, you've spent time working in the state capitol and the legislature as well also for former Republican Governor Scott McCallum and tangentially for Republican Governor Tommy Thompson as well before you moved out to DC.
You guys talk about narrative, about messaging, what Pat just said.
What are your thoughts, you know, Robin Voss, the speaker pretty well?
If Tony Evers just decides to veto the whole thing, isn't there a risk that Voss and Devon Lemmehew, the majority leader of the Senate, simply say, look, we passed something?
We put a budget there and if Tony Evers doesn't want to play ball, then the reason that we don't have a budget is because of him.
Like the the the reality is, you know, if whether Evers runs again or not, right?
Like there's this is this is in part going to shape 2026 and the election for governor in the state of Wisconsin.
So.
At some point, there has to be the calculus that you have a Republicans across the state.
For Evers to win, he's going to need to run slightly better than Harris did in those places.
Obviously, the legislature's advantage politically is they have people spread out across the state who are known, who are going to be talking about it.
And Republicans have the slight advantage that in the marginal parts of the districts, the marginal parts of the state tend to be Republican districts, right?
So they've got natural advocates.
If Evers is going to get out and really run a campaign style to places like Eau Claire and Chippewa Falls and Wasaw and make the case.
then I think that is a strategy that they definitely should think about pursuing.
If Evers is unwilling to go out and do that kind of retail selling for why he vetoed it, then I think they may be better off trying to go down the macro messaging of vetoing little pieces, bits and pieces, and sell that rather than going full on.
war and Pat Crite low.
Isn't that
one of the knocks on the Democratic governor?
He's a nice guy.
He's smart.
He'll go to meetings and he'll kind of go out once in a while, but he's he's not a barnstormer.
Certainly not like Tommy Thompson or even Jim Doyle for that matter, which would go out and kind of get on the stump and sell stuff.
Right.
I mean, the fire brand is never a word that has been used there.
But he just quietly goes about getting the things done that he can get done with this kind of a legislature.
He
points out, you know, where, where there are flaws.
Occasionally, he uses some really strong language, like saying HE double hockey sticks.
And, you know, people, people appreciate that, frankly.
So all of us who love being inside the parlor, you know, we want to see the bare knuckles.
We want to see the sharp elbows and, and Governor Evers has always been, you know, the kind of manager that says, I can get this done quietly.
And if I can't get it done, I will quietly tell you where they're
wrong.
It's how he won a second term.
It's how he would count on winning a third term because most people by our, all of our admissions, I'm sure would agree that most voters don't really follow the minutiae of a state budget.
They just want to know who's on your side.
Tony Evers is usually better at that than any Republican that's run for statewide office lately.
And
picking up
on that.
But he'd have
to go out and make the case.
Right.
He has before.
Yeah, I mean, ask Governor Michaels.
Oh, that's working out.
I don't disagree with that.
A couple of minutes before the first break here, guys, let's speak in a parlor games.
Let's play if you were Jim Clouser, the former guy who ran Tommy Thompson's cabinet.
If you guys were putting the budget together and advising Tony Evers or even the Republicans for that matter, what are the top two or three things that you would make sure is in that budget to go out and sell it?
Pat Kratlow.
To go out and sell it.
Well, I'm again, this is more a reflection on me I'm just I would always say the win-win It does you the most good look for that especially with a let me say again four billion dollar surplus You got it if you could can go out and say, you know
I didn't like everything the Republicans got, but look what we got.
If you can if you can get that, that to me is always the ultimate thing to do.
Now, it's not for Robin Voss.
And so that's why it's tough for Tony Evers, even if that's what he wants to do.
It's tough for him to get that.
But if you're asking what my advice would be, I'd say look for any kind of a win-win you can pull out of it.
Tracy.
Well, since Clouser was a Democrat who worked for a Republican, I guess if I were a Republican advising governor, I would be saying one.
We need to think long and hard about where can we line item stuff?
I think the line item has been revised somewhat, but I would try and take individual pieces out.
In terms of big bold initiatives, you have the surplus.
I would make it about public education slash workforce development.
And I would build a narrative around how public education is the hub and the core of our communities.
I would actually fight with them on the UW system to a degree.
And I would make the same case that, well, Republicans are busy saying that the University of Wisconsin's woke down of indoctrination and then sending out Christmas cards bragging about how their kids graduated from the UW Engineering School like Scott Walker does every year, although I don't get his Christmas cards anymore since I started bagging on him on the show, which I don't really care.
But...
saves the post office work.
But I would be saying to Pat, listen, let's make this, we're the ones standing and fighting for the smaller communities.
And then tell the consequences, right?
Like, look at what's happening in healthcare in Eau Claire, right?
But then the good side of that, you know, UW, Wisconsin, Eau Claire with the partnership with Mayo Clinic, I would make it a referendum on that.
Trig V Olsen already has, quite low for governor, 2026, ready to go.
Come on back, we'll discuss more with Pat.
Nice drone, Trig V, thanks.
And Trig V, on the other side.
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Welcome back to the Towel Ball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network.
Twenty-two now past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday.
May 28th, glad to have you along.
Lorraine outside the clouds, but glad to have you along.
Sam Davidson on the board for Infra-Aaron Zamas today.
Pat Critello, host of Mournings with Pat Critello, joins us from beautiful Lake Wissota.
And Trigvie Olsen, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, is out in beautiful Arlington in Washington, D.C.
area.
All right, guys.
Now here people that listen to show regularly know I'm pretty open about my life because I always think well if I'm going through something Maybe it can help somebody else and so I've talked before I I've I've during my lifetime I've passed a couple of kidney stones and let me tell you that ain't no fun I've been told I got like three or so still left in the left kidney So I was having some pain is a my left flank my left side a couple weeks ago
And I went in, they were like, well, we haven't done an MRI on these things in a couple of years.
So I had an MRI done yesterday.
And just before we went on the air, I've gotten my results back.
And this is what the note says from the physician assistant, the nurse, I guess it's a nurse practitioner that helped out on this.
And Todd, your kidney stones do not look concerning.
Very good.
That's good news.
You have, quote unquote, fatty liver.
And this is recommended to manage with healthy weight and diet.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Sarah, fatty liver, and this gets very concerning to me.
And so I thought, what better to help out than to bring on our own, well, she's not a resident, she's a full-burnt MD, our very own Dr. Kristen Lyrely, host of the Kristen Lyrely Show, every Saturday here across Civic Media.
She's kind enough to join us via phone.
Dr. Lyrely, how are you?
He thought I'm better than you.
I'll
say This guy's this guy's off so much.
He's got a gynecologist interpreting his MRIs on his kidneys.
This is This is
these odds are right because about 25% of people actually have fatty liver disease.
So let me count your time.
It's a disease me.
Yeah, it is it's considered a disease
no, there's four
Now, now clarify, Dr. Lyle, because we were talking before we went on here, because my mother is going to have a heart attack.
She's told me, she goes, well, I think that you've been, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm open to my alcohol consumption.
I have.
Like it's literally I haven't had a drink since probably Friday.
And I I'm not like I don't sit down and have a six pack.
I'm not now, even if I wanted to, after two beers, I'm just tired.
So it's not like that.
I don't I don't drink a bunch of hard alcohol.
Occasionally a drink.
So I'm not a big drinker.
But this is not what I want to emphasize.
This is not alcoholic fatty liver.
It's just your standard fatty liver.
What causes this, Dr.
Lirely?
If it's diagnosed on an MRI, it's really difficult to differentiate between the two.
So it could be, they typically fall into one of two buckets, either the alcoholic or the non-alcoholic.
If it's alcohol, then obviously the best treatment is to reduce your alcohol consumption.
If it's non-alcoholic, the best treatment is to improve your diet.
exercise, evaluate the medications that you're taking, including any supplements because they can all cause fatty liver disease as well.
Maintain a normal weight.
Yeah, all of those things can contribute.
high cholesterol or dyslipidemia, we call it six more than cholesterol, that can contribute to fatty liver disease.
The fatty liver disease is exactly what it sounds like.
It's fat that accumulates in your liver and it makes it less efficient and less able to manage the toxins in your body because your liver really is just a big filter.
That's very interesting.
I don't mind sharing.
So I'm a 55 year old man.
I'm five foot nine apparently now.
I weigh 178 pounds and I don't, I mean, I don't take any meds for cholesterol or anything like that.
I'm otherwise healthy, but I think you're right.
A, I do take vitamins on and off and B, you know, my diet is crap because I work weird times than I just, I don't eat well.
So I'm thinking that's probably what it
is.
Yeah, I'd be curious.
Just look at your last MRI
and
see how much change has occurred since then and what that time interval was.
And I'd also be curious to see what is your routine blood work look like?
Have you had a routine preventive exam with your healthcare provider?
And what is your cholesterol numbers look like?
What is your sugar numbers look like?
Could you be pre-diabetic?
All of those things can contribute to spatula for disease.
I've listened to you across this network and I have an annual full bird physical with a full panel and my doctor said I'm just below the line for high cholesterol.
on the higher end of the good spectrum.
But otherwise, no, blood pressure is fine.
You know, I'm fine.
Tony Zimmerman, by the way, watching on YouTube says, he says, yes, drinking old fashions with Pat Kratlow on air on Friday.
That's real healthy, Todd.
That's never a healthy thing.
And could I just suggest, Todd, that you use my barometer in terms of whether something is fatty or not?
Derek Van Orden refers to me as fat all the time in his comments.
know that my weight's under control when Derek Van Orden needs to find a new insult for me.
So get yourself a politician that will hurl medical based insults at you and use that as your barometer.
Well that's fantastic.
Calling
you fat.
Oh yeah in the comment sections that's that's as big that's as big thing.
That's terrible.
He's bald with a
bad beard.
Seriously.
I'd like to see what Derek Van Orden's liver looks
I
of his problem.?
Maybe he should.?
No, I don't.?
I really don't.
I think your friends know you better than you.
No, no.
My mother's probably listening.
I don't even like Red Bull.
I
don't do that.
It's coffee and donuts.
He gets it and one full clam shell of those quick trip cookies every day with the little women in Amazon.
All right.
Dr. Riley, I cannot
thank you enough for making time in your day to do this.
Thank you for all seriousness.
Thank you because I feel better now.
I just have to watch my diet.
And what time your show is on?
I think you need better friends.
Yeah.
Can you, you too can talk about this at 8 a.m.
Friday when you're both filling in for me, okay?
All right, sounds good.
Patrick, thank you.?
Dr. Lyley, thank you.?
Trade me on the other side.?
Stay with us.?
Bye-bye.
of Sam Davidson to Peshmo, by request from our guest this hour, Trigby Olson, the Senior Advisor at Lincoln Projects.
Glad to have you along here.
35 minutes now past the hour of two o'clock on Wednesday, May 28th, as the all fall show across Wisconsin on Civic Media.
Well, there you go, guys.
Thank you.
Many thanks to Dr. Lirely for stopping by.
a very, very short notice after I got those results.
I think the bottom line is I just need to eat better and exercise more.
That's the bottom line.
Sam, you said not to overshare, but you went to the doctor yourself today, right?
Yeah, for the first time in a few years, I had to put my big boy pants on and schedule an appointment myself for the first time, went in and pretty much healthy.
As they always say, I can eat better, exercise more, but doing
well.
But
you're in good
shape.
You're
not overweight.
Yeah, yeah.
No, you're healthy.
You're an eagle scout for God's sake.
That's right, yeah.
Right?
So you had to go to the kids, you had to get it done for the boy scout camp.
Yeah, yeah, that's
right.
But
you're healthy, you're healthy.
Yeah, I could probably run from bottom end to the top end of State Street without stopping.
Really?
I probably could.
There was
a time eight years ago I could.
I'm not sure.
I need to get back into better shape.
Trig V is, he's got a personal trainer now.
Trig V, I mean, I think this is actually a really good.
We're having fun with this but I think it's a little bit of I think this is a really good discussion because I think we as men too often We put it off.
We put it off.
We say I'm not I'll be fine.
We have this attitude that we're gonna tough it out but The reality is if we get regular routine exams annual exams if there is something wrong You can deal with it much better than if you let it go
Yeah, 100% and I will tell you taking off weight Todd is a is a huge part of it as you know I've taken off probably 45 pounds maybe 50 very proud of you I've lost I've lost muscle, you know, I was doing power lifting for a while with my trainer But I can do six pull-ups.
I I don't even think in college.
I could do six pull-ups.
Oh
right?
You need to go in and do it.
Colon cancer screening is really important.
I had a high school classmate who was a nurse, Christina Hanson at Mayo Clinic.
She died of colorectal cancer in her 40s.
And it was tragic.
I mean, she
because she, you know, it turned out she was adopted and it ran in the family.
It's it's incredibly important to do.
And honestly, I thought it was going to be horrible.
Basically, they cart you in, they're talking to you, they flip a switch on your IV.
And the next thing you know, you wake up and you're in back in the other room.
So
yeah, I mean, I have not had one done yet.
My doctor said the colicard screening was enough for now.
But
Probably the next couple of years I will have to but everybody I've had friends go through it besides trick me and same thing trick me They they say I don't really remember anything they they you go in they talk to you they give
You know you
don't know and the the other thing that I will tell you it's kind of funny, you know So Colingard is a Wisconsin company.
Yeah base here by a guy a guy who?
My dad knew his dad my dad and his dad worked at 3m really um
But what, yeah, you want to hear my funny colon guard story though?
Sure, why not?
All right, so you know what?
Well, it is FCC appropriate, but go ahead.
It is FCC approved.
So you know how, yeah, you.
you do your business and then you have the box that
other word.?
And she's like, well, what is it??
And I'm like, literally some crap I need to say.?
That's really good.?
I like that.?
Nicely done.?
Nicely done,?
They're probably... They're a huge... Kola Guard is a huge, huge company here in Madison.
In all seriousness, guys and gals, everyone, take care of yourselves.
Be preventative.
Especially if you're a guy.
Don't be Mr. Tough.
Go regardless of your age.
Get regular routine exams.
And, Trigby, to kind of turn that into where I want to go next to Washington, D.C., a lot of people
people don't have the insurance to go for routine exams.
And that's part of the reason they don't do it.
Let's spend a little time on what's happening out in DC in terms of the reconciliation bill.
I'm not going to use the...
the marketing that Trump is on this bill.
But the reality is if the House version of the past were to be passed by the Senate, chances are it won't.
And Trump would sign into law.
We have no choice but to expect major cuts to Medicaid, which would impede people here in Wisconsin.
I think, I mean, first of all, it is highly unlikely that the bill that got through the House is going to get through the Senate as it's constructed.
That's number one.
So, you know, some of this is, I mean, we live in this age where, you know, everybody's, now that I'm on Substack, I'm one of those people, but like everybody's trying to tweet, everybody's trying to look for angles, right?
Like, so you got the media 24 sevens.
So like controversy sells and you've got two Warren camps and.
The truth of the matter is the Senate, the bill is going to look very different.
I think the bigger question is, how do the Senate and the House ever come to some sort of reconciliation about what our priorities are?
And I think one of the things that is really sort of a challenge, and I'm pretty conservative guys, but I also believe there's an element of humanity that we are losing.
You know and you I wrote a substack post on this because I'm really trying to not write substack.
That's about outrage It's about it's calling out some of that but I wrote about Joe Biden
You know saying that he had cancer, right?
And he's seriously ill and and how there were people that were literally trying to get political advantage out of that and and Saying just things that you shouldn't say when there's another human is getting that because all of us are going to be in that situation someday May be a friend.
It may be ourselves, right?
Medicare and Medicaid
The idea that there's waste, fraud, and abuse, there probably is some.
But it's also true that what they're talking about seems to be actually cutting people that need it.
Right.
And we're all going to be judged at the end of the day when we reach the end of the line on not on how much money we had or what kinds of things we did, but how gracious we were to other people.
Because remember, our lives really end when everybody knows who knows you.
is gone.
And while people exist, what are they saying and what are they thinking about you when they think about you?
And we're failing on that in so many ways, Todd.
If you'd like to weigh in on
this budget going through the house right now, give us a call.
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It's what CBS's Gale King calls a deal.
Sam, I sent you a cut on Elon Musk speaking of CBS from CBS Sunday morning.
Let me know when you got that one ready.
Look at how fast he is.
Look at that.
Fast fingers there.
So, Trig V, speaking of this bill, the Trump bill, there's an upcoming interview.
This...
This Sunday with David Pogue the interviewer with Elon Musk, they've released part of this interview and Elon Musk kind of getting off the Trump train.
Here we go.
So, you know, I was like disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it.
And it reminds the work that the Doge
team is doing.
I actually thought that when this big, beautiful bill came along, I mean, like.
Everything he's done on Doge gets wiped out in the first year.
I think a bill can be
big or it can be beautiful.
But I don't know if it can be both.
My personal opinion.
His personal, Elon Musk saying the bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but it can't be both.
Trigby, what do you make of that?
Like don't mess with Wisconsin voters.
And dealing with people who have autocratic personality disorder.
You knew it wasn't gonna end well and it has ended horribly for Elon Musk and quite frankly the road This is the thing about Donald Trump that people don't want to there are a lot of people who want to deny There's lots of people who get this the road of people who have connected themselves to Donald Trump is littered with people where it has ended very badly and you know one of the fears from the outset for me has always been that
it may end very badly having him as president of the United States again for Americans.
Far worse than it ended the last time, which it ended the last time in January 6th, which is one of the lowest points in American history.
Well, Jack and Mary Max
in the fall are going to get to Jack in just a second, but I want to pick up quickly, Trigby, on what you just said about his Trump's personality disorder.
We talked about this a lot yesterday.
Over the Memorial Day weekend, Trump was tweeting out Happy Memorial Day, talking about people at scum.
Never mentioned the men and women who died in battle.
I found it very offensive.
Then he said he was going to give a Memorial Day speech.
He said enjoy it.
Completely disrespectful to the men and women who lost their lives and the families that remain after that.
But one of my knocks triggered me on
More democratic or liberal pundits is they love to say oh look see Trump has dementia.
It's all dementia Look at why is why aren't they talking about Trump's dementia?
I have a dad who has dementia and we're going through that in my family right now I just don't see that.
I don't think that Trump has dementia Talked to you've taught you've dealt with authoritarians around the world.
What do you and you're not a doctor?
But in your experience, what do you think it is in this personality that that's just off?
I mean, I just kind of think he has autocratic, what I call autocratic personality disorder, which is they are all kind of the same personality.
The desire for control, they're completely zero sum.
I think, you know, Donald Trump is 78 years old.
Has there been cognitive decline?
Sure.
There's cognitive decline in any 78 year old versus somebody who's in their fifties or in their twenties, right?
Yeah.
Like that's just a reality.
I think the whole.
you know, he has Alzheimer's, whatever, having had two parents, both of whom had Alzheimer's and having lived through it with my mom, which you know, probably, you know, closer than anybody taught, you know a lot about how taxing that was and challenging because she became really hard to deal with.
But yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, you wouldn't wish dementia or Alzheimer's on anybody.
And I think here's the other thing.
Quite frankly, I'm reading Jake Tapper's book on Biden.
And people need to read that.
And Democrats, any Democrats who are going down that path with Donald Trump, and if Republicans try and cover up for Donald Trump the way that Democrats tried to cover up Joe Biden and what was going on, which the American people saw, there will be a real cost to that.
And that book, it's outrageous.
Joe Biden's decline was something that was well known.
And they were trying, there was a cover-up to try and do that.
And who did that ultimately help?
It helped Donald Trump.
Yeah.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Let's go quickly to Jack and Merrimack.
Jack got about a minute left.
If you can fit it in, please go ahead, Jack.
I'll try to be brief with two things.
Thing one, the Republicans who are so enamored with our Constitution and especially the Second Amendment and
at least give lip service to the First Amendment, need to read the purpose of the Constitution as is outlined in the preamble, which includes a phrase, something like, to promote the common welfare.
And they're taking what you're destroying Medicaid and programs like that, food programs.
That's not promoting the general
welfare.
Jack, hang on, Jack.
Don't go anywhere.
Just hang on a second.
We're up against the clock.
We're going to take a break.
We'll finish up with Jack on the other side.
Trigvie as well.
And Packer news coming from, well, kind of sort of, from Terry Bradshaw.
Get Trigvie's take on that as well on the other side.
You know, he is a Packer owner.
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Welcome back the tunnel ball show from Lake Michigan to Lake Superior Green Bay of the Mississippi River and ever place in between across the state of Wisconsin on the civic media Yes, I talked for living the civic media radio network I got ahead of myself because I was a Sam Davidson on the board in for mr. Zommer's will be back tomorrow in hour two We're gonna do a segment called my favorite Sam's
Sam gets ready to depart Civic Media on Friday to go be a teacher and lead people.
I guess so, yeah.
Have you encountered many Sam's in your time?
I'm not going to say a lot, but I have some.
I have some.
So is that what this is going to center out?
Well, I
think we're going to open it up to the audience.
Oh, OK.
Because, I mean, you're certainly one of my top favorite Sam's of all time.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
So we'll do my favorite Sam.
And then also, what's worse, in hour number two as well, right now, talking about...
The Trump reconciliation bill that is going through Congress right now the ramifications thereof we are up against the clock Let's bring Jack from Merrimack back in Jack.
Sorry about that But the computer shuts me off whether I want it to or not so I'll finish up your thought what your thoughts about this, please
Okay, well, thank you.
Yeah, basically the first thing was the Republicans need to read the whole Constitution particularly
the reasons for the Constitution as stated in the preamble, one of which is to promote the general welfare and not the welfare of billionaires only, but just the general welfare.
The other thing I wanted to point out is that, and you guys have both said that, as you get older, it is important to keep these regular checkups going.
Look at them as preventive maintenance like changing the oil on your car.
Yeah, and just try to keep that machine working properly By the way, yeah, try to be at 80.
I can still do six push-up pull-ups on a good day.
Whoa
Every day so at 80
years
old
jacks to a five pill pull-ups a day trick me
That's awesome.
Jack appreciate awesome Appreciate the call as always eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two alright Terry Bradshaw on a podcast here this week and the rumor now is that former Green Bay Packer jets
Quarterback is on his way to Pittsburgh and Terry Bradshaw four-time Super Bowl champion with the Steelers Is not too happy about it.
Here was a Bradshaw
have to say What do you think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback as a joke?
He shouldn't they should that is just to me as a joke But what are you gonna bring him in for one year?
Are you kidding me?
I
mean, it's not the Steelers way,
right?
No, man, that guy needs to stay in California.
Thank you.
Thank
you
100%
these guys on the show Mr. Bradshaw know I'm not a fan of his we've been around each other personally and he was not a kind person.
Now he does not I had to go over and introduce myself to him he he's not I had to go hey hey Aaron I'm Terry Bradshaw I know he knows me but I just felt like I better tell him who I am yeah and not you know walk in there and you get in his presence and you feel like it's gonna start snowing.
All right, there you go.
A pen shot on a podcast.
I'm not sure the name of the podcast was or I'd shut it out.
Can you see it, Sam or no?
I don't know.
That's fine.
What do you think of that, Trigby?
When you walk into a room with Air Rogers, it feels like it's going to snow, says Terry Bradshaw.
He is.
He always kind of has been, too.
Right?
Right?
Like, such a character.
Such a character yeah for super blows which is three more than Aaron Rodgers has Absolutely, let's face it Terry Bradshaw Terry Bradshaw
That was a guy who was all about team Aaron Rogers is a guy who's all about me and I don't know if you saw it Todd I was thinking about this when Jack was talking, you know, I had a post on Facebook I have my sub stack, but then I try and keep my social media Independent
of each
other, but I posted because I've been thinking about this a lot You know, we had people like 80 Halverson in my hometown who?
watched the first atomic bomb test.
We had, we had all these guys, we had a guy, a Pahachek, one of the Pahachek boys.
He had, he had Storm Normandy.
He was one of the boys at Pointe du Hoc.
There were 200 Rangers.
I went and read about this online.
200 Rangers landed at Pointe du Hoc on Normandy on day one.
18 of them survived.
He was one of the 18.
They stood and fought off Germans, right?
Like these guys, and you know what?
He went home, he farmed and he delivered mail.
That's what he
did.?
Yeah.
I think you're absolutely right about that.
And it's a great context to compare Bradshaw to the team guy and Rogers to the me guy.
Probably a reason that he's a fan of Robert Kennedy.
There's all of that bizarre interest.
It's all about me.
I
mean, it's
just crazy.
And appropriate, you bring that up for me again.
I travel across Wisconsin this weekend on Memorial Day.
And you pass all of these cemeteries with flags and all of these.
memorial markers in different cities and counties across Wisconsin, and sometimes we don't pause and think that represents someone's life loss.
A brother, a sister, a son, a daughter, a mom, a dad, they're never coming home, but they made that sacrifice for us, and we have to always remember that and never forget.
100%.
Now, I will say that is of all the posts I put on Facebook.
And part of the reason why I keep politics off of Facebook is I have lots of friends who are more on the right.
I have a bunch on the left, right?
That did get universally liked.
Trippy is a university like God.
He's gonna come back and spend a little time with us hour two.
What's worse is next hour two.
My favorite Sam and talk about Donald Trump pardoning some people as well.
All that more straight ahead.
Don't go anywhere.
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