Evers vs. Trump: Showdown in Wisconsin

Live from the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Todd Alba, along with our

Wonderful producer of the day, Mr. Sam Davison on the board, filling in for Mr. Zamas, who's feeling a little ill today.

It is a TGI Friday edition, May 2nd, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, a little overcast skies, maybe some rain coming in for parts of Wisconsin later on today.

But then, hold onto your hats and hallelujahs, as they say in the musicals, sun's gonna come out.

It's going to be a nice weekend, sixties, maybe 70 in parts of the state by Sunday.

And then next week, all all week long, sunny skies, temperatures in the sixties and the seventies.

I cannot wait.

First of all, Sam Davidson, thank you so very much.

You know, you got a lot going on, but thanks for filling in for Zomers who's a little under the weather today.

Glad to be here, Todd.

Well, it's nice of you to be here.

And nobody is a bigger trooper, a bigger team player in this company than Sam Davidson because we, I'm serious, we do this on short notice.

I know you got a life too.

You've been up since the crack of dawn doing the John and Gordy show here in Madison.

What time do you get

up?

4.30.

My alarm set.

Yeah.

I mean, you've been working for a full day already and you're coming and doing our show.

But we really appreciate it, Sam.

Thanks for being here.

You're the best.

Glad to have Sam along.

And we're going to get into the for those watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and the like guy in Brewer's gear today because I had it on down to Amfam field tonight.

Big series, very important series for Milwaukee Brewers, a four game series against the part of me, a three game series against.

the Chicago Cubs.

It begins tonight.

You can hear the broadcast a pregame show starting at 635 today on Richland Center, Oshkosh, Racine, Kenosha Park Falls and Hayward.

And of course, it's only only over the air as we are not allowed to stream it on the Civic Media app because of rights owned by Major League Baseball.

We can catch it over the air on those stations.

Big, big series.

Brewers came up short yesterday in the final game against the other team from Chicago.

although the White Sox, there was eight nothing or something like that.

It was over before it began, but that means hopefully the Brewers will get back on the right track tonight, looking forward to going down there for that one.

Gonna bring on Trigvie Olson in just a moment, but first of all, a couple of major road incidents to report to you.

First of all, listening for those listeners on WMDX.

In the Madison area, if you are going to a head down towards Dodgeville and Platteville in that direction on 18-151, be aware that that highway, US 18-151 heading east is closed, fully closed at County Highway K because of a crash.

Eastbound traffic should take the County ID exit north through Barnabelle, then County K

then south back to us 18 151 will keep you updated on that but again 18 uh pardon me eastbound 18 151 uh around the barnavilt area that is fully closed and also us highway 12 in lake janeva closed right now beyond the ramp for lake janeva because of a crash so us eastbound

Yeah, pardon me.

U.S.

12 eastbound in Lake Geneva is fully closed at this time.

Those are the two major trafficking incidents as we come on the air.

Breaking news as we come on the air as well.

But before we tell you what that is, we'll bring on our friend, our ongoing contributor, former Republican like myself, now a senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, joining us from just outside the nation's capital of Washington, D.C., Mr. Trigvie Olsen.

Trigvie, how are you, my friend?

I'm honored that you've preempted breaking news for me.

Well, I want to make sure that you're

a part of it, you understand?

Is it nice out there in DC?

Okay.

Well, you know, it's DC.

It's not as good as they are in Wisconsin.

I'm a big fishing opener this weekend.

We'll talk about that as

well.

Yeah, the big fishing opener.

Yes, it's true.

It's 80 degrees here today, Todd.

Lovely, lovely, lovely.

Spring has sprung.

Spring has sprung and so has news of the day.

And I'm so actually normally Trevi comes on Wednesdays, but he had other things going on.

And just like Sam, the heck of a guy that he is, he says, well, Todd, I'll pop on on Friday.

And as it works out, Trevi, I'm actually really glad you're here today because we do have breaking news.

We hear so much about what's going on out there where you're at in DC with the Trump administration and retaliatory efforts, authoritarian types of government.

Of course, Trevi spent time fighting authoritarians in Eastern Europe.

And here now breaking news that Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers moments ago has, and this according to channel 3000.com, WISC, the CBS affiliate here in Madison, Governor Evers firing back now at White House Borders are Tom Holman over comments made about Evers' guidance to state workers who are approached by federal immigration officials.

In a memo last month, Evers advised state workers to call legal counsel

if they are encountered by ICE agents in the workplace on state grounds and avoid answering questions, giving ICE agents access to files or computer systems or access to non-public areas.

Holman was asked yesterday about Evers' guidance specifically telling reporters at the White House, quote, wait to see what's coming, unquote.

In a video today,

Governor Evers said Republicans were lying about the guidance, quote, I haven't broken the law, I haven't committed a crime, and I've never encouraged or directed anyone to break any laws or to commit any crimes, unquote, Evers said.

Evers called Holman's comments concerning and accused the federal government of abusing its power, quote, as disgusted as I am about the continued actions of the Trump administration,

I am not afraid," Evers said.

I've never once been discouraged from doing the right thing, and I will not start today."

Several Republican figures, including turning point USA founder Charlie Kirk, amplified Holman's comments against Evers on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter.

Representative Kelvin Calhoun, or Callahan, rather, Republican of Tomahawk here in Wisconsin,

shared Kirk's post and this is a direct quote from a sitting state representative Republican in Wisconsin quote stick evers in the same cell as the Milwaukee judge arrest arrest arrest unquote Callahan also shared the AI generated photo of President Donald Trump and a police uniform arresting evers again make clear that was AI generated photo online

Holman's comments came less than a week after Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested over, pardon me, after FBI Director Cash Patel said she helped a man who was in her courtroom evade ICE.

That is the story according to Channel 3000, the CBS affiliate here at this hour.

In Madison, of course, we had Matt Flynn on earlier this week talking about this, talking about the arrest of Judge Dugan in Milwaukee.

Matt Flynn, attorney, two-time chair of the Democratic Party saying, in his opinion, Judge Duggan did nothing illegal to warrant being arrested like that.

Trigby Olsen, again, you have spent time in Eastern Europe for those listeners that might be new, especially in our new time slot.

only person that I know who has been banned from Russia directly by Vladimir Putin because of your work against authoritarians in Eastern Europe.

What do you make of this news today concerning Governor Evers?

Well, I would say it's troubling, right?

Like, it's not great.

I just think...

There's part of me that wonders if some of this has to do with you know, Wisconsin Well being essential in Donald Trump getting his majority Also, you know Sort of sent a blow to he and his vertical by not electing his chosen candidate for the state Supreme Court hence You start messing around in Wisconsin, right?

Like I don't think it's a coincidence

Scotland's ground zero for a lot of things and and so, you know, this is what they try and do they try and intimidate people into silence they try and intimidate people into Taking actions and they they leverage the power of government against people

Of course you're talking to the US Supreme Court race here a month and a half ago or so which Brad Schimmel

former Republican AG here in Wisconsin, Attorney General, who was endorsed not just by Trump, but also by Elon Musk, who came out here, put a cheese hat on, spent $20 million Musk did in this race, came to Green Bay, and then lost by...

by 10 points to Judge Susan Crawford, who is now the Justice Elect here in the Wisconsin State Supreme Court.

We haven't heard a lot from old Elon Musk out there in Washington since that loss.

And you get to this great point, Trigby, and you know this world better than I do, that these people don't muck around that Donald Trump is nothing but small and vindictive.

And if he thinks he's been hit, he's going to try to hit back twice as hard.

Yeah, a hundred percent and you know, ultimately You know these all autocrats they're about trying to demonstrate their inevitability and their invincibility and create fear to do it You know at some level and this it may seem irrational to anybody who's rational But in the way their mind works, you know, Wisconsin made them look bad it made them show that

You know, he's not inevitable and he's not invincible.

And by the way, did Elon Musk look like a deep

bad guy?

I'm not sure what's going on.

Maybe the girls are using the Wi-Fi they're attributing.

You're cutting out there pretty bad, so you may have to reboot that.

I'm not sure.

But yes, I... Was I cutting out bad?

Am I back?

Kind of sort of.

No, you're not.

Try try rebooting and then we'll we'll we'll bring you back on off the YouTube line LA Tom listening Los Angeles says thank God for Tony Evers Tony shows courage and Wisconsin Be grateful you have someone like him if you'd like to weigh in give us a call 855-752-4842 855-752-4842 You can also text us on the civic media app You can download it if you don't have it for free on your Apple or a

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What do you make of this, of this, of federal government, of the Trump administration, Tom Holman singling out Wisconsin's Governor Tony Evers directly?

And also, what do you make this, this goofball representative Kevin Callaghan?

Republican from Tomahawk.

I looked on Twitter, by the way, I looked it up.

I'm not making this up, by the way.

He looks a little a little like Hitler asked.

He has like this short hair and the little mustache and everything.

He's he's a goofy looking dude, by the way.

But what are you making this guy from Tomahawk, Wisconsin?

calling for Governor Evers to be arrested and put in the same cell as Judge Dugan with the words, arrest, arrest, arrest.

855-752-4842.

Less than a minute left, Trigby, are we back?

We try out your mic here, are you back?

Trigby cannot hear us.

All right, Trigby is here.

Trigby is not here.

Well, who is here?

Sam Davidson's on the board.

We got your phone calls as well.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

And coming up later in the show, we promoted this, or promoted this yesterday, according to the Washington Post, federal workers are now going to be required, at least potentially, to report their daily location, unlike the five bullet points.

This is not a strong encouragement.

All employees are required to submit daily information.

We'll talk about that later in the show as well.

Don't go anywhere.

It's a TGIF edition of the show, the town hall ball show, right here across Wisconsin on the Civic Media for Radio Network.

truth wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back the title ball show of the Civic Media Ready Network 22 now past the hour of two o'clock on a TGIF edition May 2nd, 2025.

Glad to have you along.

Sam Davison on the board filling in for.

Mr. Summers who apparently went out of the town last night and no he didn't he didn't he just he's a little under the weather and we wish him all the best and hope he recovers soon But great to have Sam here on Trevi Olson joining us now via phone from the nation's capital Why are the are the girls doing homework Trevi or what's going on out there?

I don't know what's going on out here.

I was thinking

Wears insomers leaves and it all just

goes.

No, no, that's not it.

That's not it at all.

I think it's my fault.

It's all my fault.

Yeah, right.

I think that I think we're being targeted by the Trump administration.

They're slowing down our internet here at Civic Media.

Yeah, I have my suspicions why you've got some issues going on.

I suspect one of my children is doing some coding homework.

Oh, okay.

No

coding homework,

I guess.

We're just glad to have you along and we'll we'll do the phone here.

Appreciate you being here right now.

A joke around about that would trigger you.

But the very serious breaking news here on a Friday seems like Friday's the lately are all about breaking news.

Tom Holman out in D.C.

the Trump administration targeting Governor Tony Evers specifically threatening them basically because Evers last week said hey to state employees.

follow the law, but don't go out of your way to do anything for ICE that you wouldn't normally do.

Don't break any laws and make sure you consult with legal counsel within your agency before you give them access to stuff, which of course is their prerogative.

And now you got Tom Holman and this state representative Callahan from up North and Tomahawk saying they were gonna throw Tony Evers in jail just like they did Judge Dugan last week.

on a Friday as well, by the way.

What do you think of this?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Go to the phone lines, beautiful Eau Claire, Wisconsin, in the Chippewa Valley, WCFW, the TAP, Jean, and Eau Claire, Jean, thanks for calling, we'll see you.

Thank you so much for your coverage of this issue.

You know, this is the first I've heard of this one, so you're gonna get my...

immediate response because i have a lot of respect for governor evers and these are all dangerous bunch and this is my opinion dangerous bunch of sickle losers who use vile and lies and deceptions to destroy our country and that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it because everything they do is pathetic and sick

and it is hurting our country significantly.

So keep up the great work, keeping us informed.

This is so important.

You guys are doing a great job.

Thank you and have a good weekend.

Bye.

Thanks, Gene.

I really appreciate it.

You hang in there as well.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to Mark out in prayer to sack.

Mark, thanks for calling.

We'll see you.

Yeah, thanks.

And I wonder if any of these people have actually read.

You don't even have to go to the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

that trial of all crimes shall be held by a jury in the state where the crimes have been committed.

And as they throw out the treason word all the time, and there's very specific language on what treason actually is in this country.

Pam Bondi is out there talking about, I'm sure all these people with treason, well, there's actually specific language in the Constitution.

Exactly what treason is and I don't need to know if I need to repeat what I asked.

It's actually adhering to our enemies and giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

Well, currently we are not at war with anybody except with ourselves, apparently.

And it is just disturbing to me that these people do not understand the Constitution itself.

And I'm clapping my FCC compliance filter in my constantly these days because

Okay, maybe the FCC rules should not be constitutional.

I mean, is that not a limitation on free speech?

Well, they want to limit free speech.

I mean, they want reporters to give all the sources and all this.

I mean, our founders were very careful in saying that one of the first things in the First Amendment is freedom of the press.

They have no respect for the Constitution period.

I mean, I'd challenge that.

I'd say that to their bloody faces.

if I ran into them.

I mean, I'm just had a gut full of these people and why should we have a filter on our malls that offer these people at all because they can't be called out for

me.

I appreciate that you do because we obviously were limited by FCC rules.

And we've seen this before, right, at a higher level for CBS, ABC, just for something that Trump doesn't like that was said.

By the way, those things that were said on those two respective networks were true.

And Trump cracked down, filed multi-million dollar lawsuits.

ABC Disney's already settled and CBS is basically looking at capitulating and looking at that.

So I appreciate you holding back, Mark, because I mean, if we do break FCC rules, that's only going to draw the ire of the Trump administration.

Then they start coming after folks like us.

And, you know, as David Letterman used to say, I wouldn't give those kind of troubles to a monkey on a rock.

So I appreciate you calling in Mark.

855-752-4842-855-752-4842.

Is Trigvie on line one here?

Is that him?

Well, we can check in with him.

I think it might be.

We'll see you.

Trigvie, are you there?

Did you hear any of Mark?

Yeah, somebody hung up.

I got hung up on.

That's fine.

We thought you were a crank caller.

Thanks, Todd.

But but what do you came on and I went bye-bye?

Well, we had to make room for Jean, you know One minute to break here to anything you want to add before we go to break No

I'm going I'm just thinking about the state legislator from Tomahawk for God's sakes man.

He's a

clown

I can't thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate you and market hearing to FC.

I get it, folks.

I get it.

It's a Friday.

We all want to break some FCC rules, but thank you.

We can't do that.

We can't do that.

We'll we'll focus our anger.

We'll come back.

Talk more about it.

Take your phone calls as well.

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wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the Toddleball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network and it's Friday, May 2nd, 2025.

35 minutes now past the hour of two o'clock.

Glad to have you along.

Sam Davidson behind the board for an alien Mr. Zombers.

Always great to have Sam here.

We appreciate him.

A little bit later on the show, we're going to take a look at the Sam Davidson Street Cam, which he set up here.

We use it all the time and it's a lot of fun.

You know what my next big idea is for right out the window

right here?

What?

I want to get a bird feeder right there.

Oh my gosh.

That'd be fantastic.

That'd be great.

Yeah.

We had the woman from the Songbird Association yesterday.

Yeah, right.

Sam, that's brilliant.

Put a bird feeder out there and we can see the birds coming to feed it.

You see?

Amazing.

Thank you.

Appreciate you.

Pam Yonkey, the fabulous farm babe, as she calls herself, did the Midwest Farm Report there.

at the bottom of the hour, always appreciate her.

Now Pam, thank goodness, posted something to her socials.

Yesterday, Culver's had the big one day scoop of Thanksgiving, or thank you, to FFA.

And you can go to Culver's and get a scoop of their great.

unique flavor of the day, one buck donation, all proceeds go to Future Farmers of America.

And so I saw that and then I went out to Culver's last night and got some.

So many thanks to Pam Yankee and the Midwest Farm Report always does a great job.

As does our guest this hour, he is our ongoing contributor and friend.

Senior advisor at the Lincoln Project joins us via phone for the nation's capital, Trig V. Olson.

Trig V, glad to have you along, continuing to talk about this top story of breaking news at this hour.

Governor Tony Evers of Wisconsin firing back at the White House.

Borders are Tom Holman over comments made about Evers' guidance of state workers who, if they're approached by federal immigration officials, i.e.

ICE, to basically look, follow the law.

And call the the legal counsel of your agency before you let these guys just run rough house over stay agencies and Holman basically threatening to to

cracked down on Evers like they have on Judge Dugan in Milwaukee last week.

Several Republican figures, including Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk.

Boy, there's a sweetheart.

He amplified the Hulman comments against Evers on social media.

And then you got this goofball state representative, Calvin Callahan.

Mr. Callahan, a Republican of Tomahawk.

Look at his I'm just look at look at his picture and then you can make your own judgments on this guy But in his Twitter account, he's all about the Trumpster.

He apparently says he claims to be a former staffer of representative Sean Duffy so that that should tell you a little something and This is just I mean this is beyond the pale trippy in my opinion as you and I both worked in the state Capitol we both worked for members of Congress and a sitting state representative Republican

This Callahan from Tomahawk says, quote, stick evers in the same cell as the Milwaukee judge.

Arrest, arrest, arrest, unquote.

Now, look, you and I've known some characters in Wisconsin State Legislature over the years.

I don't remember a sitting state legislator calling for the arrest of a governor without any evidence of wrongdoing.

Do you?

No.

I mean, it's just so ridiculous.

It is so ridiculous.

He had a little mileage reimbursement issue, I think, didn't he?

Did he scrutiny over his mileage reimbursements?

I think so.

That.

Well, yeah, he looks like the kind of guy who would have a discrepancy over his mileage reimbursement issues.

Yeah.

It was like a double dipping thing.

And then he had, he, yeah,

he said a few, I think.

It's just again, you and I have talked about it on this program before the extremism This is beyond saying I have a difference of opinion.

This is beyond saying Look, we should you know if the guy has an opinion that we should crack down harder That's his opinion, but do it up for a city legislator to call for the arrest of a sitting governor

I mean, I was in the state capital during Act 10 when the Democratic Senate left the state, and I don't even ever remember.

You know, you didn't have Bob Jouk or Tim Cullen or Fred Risser calling for Scott Walker to be arrested.

That didn't happen.

No.

No.

Of course not.

It's just another demonstration of the lack of civility.

Bingo.

It is.

It is quite break with common decency too.

Yeah, it's.

It's sad as someone who I know you appreciate institutions of our government as much as I do.

And I just think it's a sad day for democracy and a sad day for our institutions.

Let's get to a couple of the texts off the text line.

If you'd like to text us, you can do so by downloading the Civic Media app and texting us at any of the first 11 stations on the Civic Media app.

You can also call us at 855-752-4842.

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Off the text line, Diane in Madison, listening on WMDX, Governor Tony Evers is a good governor and he speaks the truth.

Unquote, thank you, appreciate you, call or texting in there.

Wes, listening in Middleton on WMDX says, quote,

It's so sad that I am in my lifetime going to see the end of America being a global leader one of these things Once these things go away.

They don't come back This is ugly chapter and hopefully we can reclaim at least some of the standing in the world We're gonna be more South Africa or Brazil than Canada or Germany China will be in the driver's seat unquote.

That's West and Middleton

Drag me you've taught you've touched on this before just talk a little bit about as someone who's traveled the world with people like John McCain and others and in your private life Talk about this this things like this don't and of course First and foremost it affects us in Wisconsin, but these things ripple out Yeah,

well, I mean here's the thing Todd trust takes a lifetime to build we can be destroyed in an instant that Really is what happened.

I mean we talked about that after the

The Zalinsky meeting in the White House and what that meant and it ultimately does play into the hands of China Which I mean honestly if you were to take this guy Callahan and be like I'm sure he'd be going about the threat of the Chinese Yeah, but he doesn't get is this place straight into their hands,

right?

exactly it I texted Matt in Middleton on WM DX this interesting question trade me and and

I try on this show, not saying I'm perfect at all.

I have a lot of my faults on my own, but I try not to go too over the top, if and until things are warranted.

But I'm gonna read this question, because I think it's a good one, and it's something I've heard just on the street.

And I like your perspective, Trivi.

Matt Middleton asks, quote, can you guys give us a perspective on whether or not we are currently in a civil war or not?

It's us, certainly,

It is certainly an information war being fought by the far right in Russia on democracies, unquote.

Trigvie?

I would not say we're in a civil war.

I would say that there is a global battle going on between autocracy and democracy.

And there is a realignment that is not

Quite frankly in the interest of the American people and it's ironic that it's being executed at the top levels of the United States government that People ended up choosing this and now there's there are quite frankly a fair amount of people who did choose it Who are having buyers remorse?

I'm not quite sure how they didn't get What was that state?

But I think that's really what you're seeing is a is an unraveling and that's the irony is

all wrapped in this idea of make America great again.

I'm unraveling of many of the things that have made America great, both domestically and internationally.

Well said.

I don't know that we're in a civil war, but we certainly are in a fight for what kind of country are we going to be?

Are we going to be one where we have faith and believe in each other?

And, you know, in places like the state of Wisconsin, we wear green and gold.

Where are we going to be a place where we live in fear of one another and live in a world of red

and blue divides?

Yeah, well said.

John listening to Milwaukee on WAUK.

John says, quote, ever heard of the word hypocrisy?

I don't think you've gone more than a few days without calling for President Trump's arrest over the years.

Hypocrisy.

all in capital letters, unquote.

Well, John, I like Trigby speak for himself.

I don't think that I've ever called for President Trump being arrested over nothing.

I've agreed with a jury of his peers, which found that he was a 43, 45-time convicted, 43-time convicted felon in a jury of his peers.

I think a guy who's found guilty should be locked up.

And I also think that after January 6, a bipartisan committee, including Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney of the Republican side, found that Donald Trump was the instigator of an attempt to undo an election.

I think that warrants a...

You know having his day in court, but certainly be arrested.

So I think there's a difference there track me, but you can speak for yourself

I Don't recall ever having said that Donald Trump should be arrested.

I Certainly have been critical and it felt like that like every American citizen he has a right to due process But he doesn't have a right to violate the law and if he has

Like anyone else, he should be accorded the basic rights that he's given.

But Donald Trump and some of his, and it kind of gets to my point, Donald Trump and some of the people like the person you tapped it in seemed to be living in fear and thinking that there should be one set of rules for one set of people and a different set of rules for others at the end of the day.

And you know that's sad honestly because as somebody who has spent a lot of time traveling all over the world and working around the world I Think there's a lot of people that don't appreciate enough How lucky they have been and quite frankly as somebody who you know oftentimes talks about my favorite place in the world

being the bridge over the St.

Croix River.

I think there's a lot of people in Wisconsin that don't get even within the United States.

I'll likely they are to be from a place like Wisconsin.

Yeah.

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Let's go quickly to Milwaukee.

Charles, listening on WAUK.

Charles, thanks for calling.

Let's see you.

Hello, Todd.

I just have to call and defend you guys.

I listen to you guys all the time.

I've never heard you guys say anything about Donald Trump to be locked up.

other shows maybe but I've never heard you guys say that in second of all if you've done criminal things and you deserve to go to jail then you deserve to go to jail I don't care what your job title is he's done he's done crooked things I I wonder what do these Republicans that support them think about him screwing contractors out of money that they are owed for just they've done for him yeah they're stealing his family is stealing money now

But his supporters will think, well, well, that's okay because, you know, they follow that logic that he's, he's donating his check every month.

Just like I'm still waiting to get my $5,000 dole check that they claim is coming.

Appreciate the call.

Thanks, Charles.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Uh, Trini, uh, about 30 seconds left there.

Uh, always nice to have somebody come to our defense, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I, I don't.

I'm for due process and and and I'm for sussing out the truth and I don't yeah I can say I don't recall of her other than after he was found guilty of by a jury of his peers and after January 6th I don't think I've ever said to lock the guy up but anyway always good to

have I don't recall you ever saying that I certainly don't recall having said that yeah he supported due process and honestly I was saying this to somebody is it related to the guy and who who

with a lot of Garcia,

right?

Like... Hold that thought.

We'll get it on the other side, my friend, all right?

Come on back.

I'll show for a Friday right here on the Civic Media Ready Network.

on the St.

Croix Bridge so you can dip a line in on the opening weekend of fishing season here in Wisconsin.

Welcome back to the Tout All Ball show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

That's going to be our next on the road.

Trigby and I will be on the St.

Croix Bridge handing out bobbers in live bait.

If you can prove to us you have a fishing license.

Trigby Olson, Senior Advisor at Lincoln Project, joins us from his home in suburban Washington D.C.

as he does every week or thereabouts.

By the way, quite low is a little salty because you keep avoiding him on Wednesdays.

Are you gonna be back on Wednesday?

He came back just for you to Wednesdays and then you weren't there again.

Yes Yeah

I get what I had on Wednesday, but maybe I should have blown it off.

No,

maybe it was the doctor's appointment.

I heard my shoulder, Todd.

What happened?

Tendonitis in my shoulder.

Tendonitis?

You're clicking on too many computer things for all your polls that you do.

No, no.

Yeah, I don't know.

But yes, wasn't good.

My shoulder locked up.

I got decked in a hockey game.

Oh, see?

So yes, that's why I missed.

It

all goes back to hockey.

Eight

five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two want to go to the phone lines talking about governor evers responding to Representative Kelvin

Callahan Republican to Tomahawk.

Well, maybe not directly to him, but this this goofball Callahan in the state legislature saying to stick governor Evers in the same cell as a Milwaukee judge unquote and saying quote arrest arrest arrest unquote after a Tom Holman the Immigration borders are whatever you want to call them for Trump is singling out governor Evers because Evers is simply saying to state employees.

Hey

If ICE tries to raid a state agency, follow the law and talk to the legal counsel before you let these guys just come in and run rough shot over everything.

Trevi, you had a quick, we were cutting you off there.

If you can finish it up quickly, your thought before the break.

Yeah, no, I was just saying, you know, Todd, the thing about it is with due process, right?

And Garcia, for example, or anybody Donald Trump.

Me, you.

Like if Jeffrey Dahmer deserved due process, Ed Gein got due process to the worst people who ever lived.

They're both from Richland Center.

The only one is.

The only one.

But it's just, you know, we have to decide who we are.

Are we a country where we have a set of laws?

Or are we...

Are we a country that has a set that's just ruled by the winds of, of people, uh, of individuals?

And, um, uh, you know, I think the reality is, uh, a lot of these people and maybe representative Callahan, I, I'm not quite so sure what he's so afraid

of.

I don't either.

I think he's just a cheerleader.

I, I, he's, he's.

Yeah, he's like, you know, the old Bugs Bunny cartoon when you had the big bulldog and then you always had that sidekick Chihuahua or whatever.

And he'd be like, get him again, get him again.

You know, he's like that guy.

You know, I mean, he doesn't really, you know, he's not a big bulldog.

He's just a little chippy Chihuahua.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Let's go to the phone lines and the beautiful Chippewa Falls.

Listen, if you CFW and thanks for holding, what say you?

Yeah, you know, Tom Holman, I think he's

on some power, power hunts, you know, he thinks he's so important.

But my point is this, Todd, what do the Republicans really want a king?

Is that what they really want?

Do they want our country to be run by a king?

Because I'm not sure.

And all their things taken away, you know, their benefits and and social security and Medicaid and Medicare.

I mean, I thought, you know, we always say we're more alike than we are different.

Well, is this what they really want?

Have they thought about all of this?

Does it make sense?

I just don't understand.

You know, I see Trump's ratings are like, you know, 39%, whatever.

Should it be down to like 10% because I just don't understand what the Republicans want.

They want

this a great call and thank you for I only wish it would have happened sooner the show because we've got two minutes left to your trigger and is in my opinion a hundred percent right trippy What's up with me?

Have you seen Marco Rubio on television lately?

He looks like he's

Not in a good place mental health wise you know some of these people trick me Why do these people to Ann's point continue to go along with this guy and why is this again?

What's happening today?

Is this yet another distraction from what Congress and Trump are getting ready to do which is gut Medicaid?

Maybe but you know, I don't think yes, maybe but I just think what you have to understand about these things is you know Holman is doing his thing and

And they're, they're all, they all tend to try and be more outrageous than the next because then they get on Fox news and they get attention from, from Donald Trump.

Right.

But quick answer because I want to get to this stuff a little bit, a little bit and a half left, not quite.

Um.

Are these guys, because I get this question a lot, are guys like Rubio and other Republicans in Congress, do they feel threatened for their lives or their family's lives vis-a-vis Trump and Putin, or is it just they're so arrogant they don't know anything else to do but be Congressperson or Senator?

I think it's the latter, really.

I mean, they may be afraid, which that in and of itself to me is just

You know, they, they all see themselves.

I'm sure when Marco Rubio looks in the mirror, he sees a great American on the other side.

But if it really is because he's afraid, you know, you think the boys who were running off of boats at Normandy or the ones who were in Iroajima weren't afraid.

Exactly.

So I think it's bad.

And I, let's talk about Calvin Callahan for a second, right?

He would probably profess to be a real limited government guy.

Politicians are bad, but I was elected.

to the state assembly at 21.

He's a career politician.

He's a guy who wants to be.

And my guess is the reason he's saying what he's saying is he's thinking this is how attention and move

up.

Yeah.

And sadly, that's what

it really is about because he's just a guy who's always wanted to be somebody.

Just like Scott Walker and Robin Voss.

Trigby Olson, always fantastic to have you, my friend.

Take care out there.

Have a great weekend.

Come on back hour two.

What's worse is next right here on the Civic Media Ready Network.

you

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And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Tal Alba, along with Mr. Sam Davidson on the board.

It is Friday, TGIF, May 2nd, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Sun is starting to peak out now here at the World Headquarters in downtown Madison on State Street as we look out the window.

Sam, glad to have you along.

Mr. Zommerin is feeling a little under the weather today, so thank you very much.

I know you had a long day already.

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It is.

See, look at that.

He listens to this show, ladies and gentlemen.

We appreciate that.

And Sam has brought so much to this company.

And one of the best things he's brought...

that besides himself is that he gave us the Sam Davidson street cam.

Sam, let's take a look out there for those watching on the stream on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and the like.

We have a street cam out there.

Look at that.

There is beautiful state street.

People are walking on some in jackets, some not.

Sun has started to come out there and the Overture Center on the right hand side.

They're big Broadway announcement of all their calendar a couple of few days ago.

There are big shows like Hamilton's coming back, Kimberly and Kimbo.

Yeah, there's a lot of big

shows.

And their little thing across the street, they've got a big poster for Clue.

Oh, really?

They're going to have Clue coming in.

Have you seen the show?

No, I've seen the movie,

but yeah,

that would be good.

Yeah, so looking forward to that So well there you go so that we get to we get to appear out onto the world.

Thank you Sam.

We appreciate that quick Traffic update for you at this hour three oh eight around Wisconsin.

We reported earlier that us 18 151

Eastbound is closed at County K near Barneveld because of a crash and now WISC channel 3000 reporting that that crash there is at least one fatality the crash was reported around 1255 at the intersection of Highway 18 151 in County K law enforcement still on the scene apparently it was a semi-car accident and it's unclear how many victims there were but at least one person now is being reported

as being killed law enforcement saying the highway will be likely shut down until 6 p.m.

So it's going to be a while so if you are planning on going either to and from Madison or Dodgeville down towards Plattville at 151 you may want to find an alternate route that is the only total closure of a roadway around the state of Wisconsin other places suburban Milwaukee right now the normal drive time closures at this hour will keep you up to breast up to

Ubreast keep you up rest.

You would really keep somebody up up to a breast, right?

That's an entirely different show Sam I think that's Pete Schwab a show nightlight later on tonight will keep you abreast of the traffic news This is a very bad idea Incorporating traffic into our two of the show Mathers has told me it was a bad idea.

I've tried to shorten it up I should just forget the traffic, but this was a big deal.

This is the total road closure.

Anyway, we're gonna get to what what's worth

First here in a minute, also a lot more news today.

The VA veterans, anybody who listened to this program knows I'm a huge fan of our military, our men and women in uniform, those who have fought, those who have served, our veterans.

And now word today that the Trump administration is going to jerk him around, worse the jerking him around, on their mortgages, on their home loans.

Oh, and by the way, Donald Trump decided he's going to rename Veterans Day.

today.

So there's that.

As they say, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how is the play?

But anyway, I want to get to I want to get to this before we do what's worse, because we've been telling you we're going to talk about it.

This was in the Washington Post headline, federal workers required to report their daily location.

Email says federal election commission employees soon will be required to declare their work location.

In a daily questionnaire, part of the Trump administration's efforts to monitor compliance with return to office mandates and identify, quote, unquote, unused space that may be ripe for disposal.

Now, I'm going to stop right there.

That's quite a quote.

Unused space that may be ripe for disposal.

Continuing on the story, that's according to an email sent to FEC employees and obtained by the Washington Post.

The email said the FEC had prepared the quote daily occupancy tool, unquote, in response to directives from the Office of Management and Budget and the General Service Administration.

Here's the key quote, quote, unlike the five bullet points,

This is not a strong encouragement, unquote, said the email referencing the command from Elon Musk.

The all federal workers submit weekly emails listing five accomplishments.

The email noted in bold and italicized text, quote, all employees are required italicized to submit this daily information, unquote.

It is not immediately clear whether other agencies are launching the same tracking technique, but records obtained by the post show the government several months ago began developing a tool for that purpose.

In late February, human resource chiefs across agencies gathered for a call led by the Office of Personnel Management, according to an email obtained or summarizing the call.

During the discussion,

Representatives for GSA announced they were working on quote a new federal daily check-in tool, unquote.

The email shows a test email went out from a GSA email address the same day.

GSA was hoping to debut the check-in tool by the first week in March.

According to this email.

What do you think about this eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two again, I was and Chippewa Falls last hour at that great call What is people thinking?

What are the Republicans think as a person who spent a lot of my life in the Republican Party who left in 2011?

I can tell you with that when I was a part of the GOP Government like big brother stuff

That was like, no, we don't want that.

Get government out of our lives.

Government, big government is bad.

Where are these people gone?

Now they, now they want a tool that's going to track every government employee's daily, even, and by the way, this is even on their vacation.

So you're hanging out in the Dells or Sturgeon Bay or I don't know.

Fishing on the St.

Croix River and you got to send out an email.

Hey, this is where I'm at Yeah, why don't why don't they just go full 1984 let's put a computer chip at every government employee's neck And then they can track them That's how absurd this stuff is

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to Milwaukee.

WAUK, Don in Milwaukee.

Thanks for calling, Don.

We'll see you.

Hi, Todd.

Yeah, I'm seeking truth.

I heard a story.

It sounds kind of unbelievable.

My daughter was telling me about this, about...

My mother and her three daughters moved into a new

house

in Oklahoma City, I believe.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that really happened.

I know about exactly what you're saying.

Yes.

As far as I know, it

did.

I find it unbelievable how that can happen.

Did they ever get their money back and their stuff back?

Not that I know.

Let me summarize this quickly.

It was on Rachel Maddow, I believe, last night or the night before.

And it was from a, I believe, an NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City.

It is a mother who happens to be Latino, who is a United States citizen.

She moved, she and her two kids, moved from, I believe, New Jersey to Oklahoma.

for a new life.

The husband's back still in New Jersey finishing up his job before he joins them in Oklahoma.

And in the middle of the night, and it's still up for grabs, whether it was ICE, FBI, and the US Marshals, a combination of one raided her home, broke in, never showed the search warrant that I'm aware of.

Said they had one, apparently, I guess.

And forced this woman out, their kids in their underwear, in the rain, in the front yard, took computers,

money, cash, everything in the house, phones, and then said, we've been a little bit rough with you.

Sorry about that.

And left.

This can't be America no more.

Right.

And this woman was United States citizen.

I thought my daughter was lying to me.

No.

It's true.

I'm sorry to tell you, but it's true.

And again, you watched the morning shows on the major networks this morning.

I didn't see that.

People know why aren't the major networks talking about this stuff

And

this is why local journalism matters Don because it was a local NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City who reported this yeah

Great call, Don.

Thank you so much.

Really appreciate you calling in 855-752-4842.

Let's go to the phone lines to, I believe, Luann Bird is calling in Luann, a friend of the network here.

Always glad to have your call in.

Luann, thanks for calling.

What's to you?

I'm just wondering if you saw the governor, Evers, put out a statement today because he's been, the Trump administration has threatened to arrest him and that's Republicans are calling.

on the Trump administration to arrest him as well, because he put out a statement to his employees saying that if ICE comes to talk to you, make sure that you talk to an attorney.

Are you on the news story now about them threatening?

I just wanted to let you know.

I really appreciate the call away.

We let off the show with that.

We spent about the first half hour, 45 minutes on it.

But yeah,

thank you.

Yeah,

it's very, it's very alarming, but thank you for calling in and always appreciate your call.

855-752-4842.

Let's go out to Los Angeles, California.

L.A.

Tom, L.A., you've got about two minutes left here.

What say you?

All right, Todd.

First, Ann is absolutely 100% correct.

I mean, the regular average Republican, are they not on Medicaid?

Are they just gonna, I don't know, roll over and let Donald Trump take away their Medicaid because I can't imagine that.

Democrats are the only ones that are using these programs.

Second, I really think we need to get back to the country learning the nursery rhymes because you have three little pigs that talk about infrastructure.

You got the emperor that has no clothes and I'm certain to think that maybe everyone started listening to different stories as they grew up and they forgot all about what those things are all about.

And last, if I were a Republican, I would be much more afraid.

That the Republican Party is gonna take away your gun that I would a Democratic Party because the Republican Party's as much as they want government involved in your life and your daily life My god, they're gonna be coming up to your gun so you can't you know shoot the ice person when they come to your door

That's a great point

That's a really great point, and I appreciate you listening.

I appreciate you bringing it up.

I think L.A.

is absolutely right.

As a gun owner, longtime gun owner, a believer in the Second Amendment, but also as someone who supports reasonable gun reform, I agree with L.A.

that right now, if you look at which party is more pro-interfering in our personal lives, much more so the Republicans than it is the Democrats, right?

Much, I think L.A.

has got something.

At what point do the Trump administration say, well, you know, because L.A.

is right.

When you take away Medicaid, you're not just gonna affect Democrats in nursing homes.

It affects Republicans, Democrats, everybody, right?

At what point does the Trump administration say take away their guns?

Back after this, it's the All Balls Show in Civic Media.

having fun doing it on a Friday, TGIF May 2nd, 2025, 22 past the hour, three o'clock.

Glad to have you along.

Sam Davidson filling in for an alien Mr. Azamers on the board.

We appreciate Sam being here.

Clouds kind of going back and forth in and out here at the world headquarters of civic media in downtown Madison.

But it's gonna be a nice weekend.

Clear off, sunshine in the 60s tomorrow in most of Wisconsin than maybe 70 by Sunday.

cannot wait.

855-752-4842, wrapping up on a couple of things here in regarding the news.

The latest one we are talking about there, according to the Washington Post, Trump administration, at least in some agencies, looking at requiring federal workers to track their daily location even on their vacation.

What do you make of that?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 back up to beautiful Eau Claire WCFW the tap that is the station Robert is the caller Robert.

Thanks for listening.

We'll see you Yeah, hey Todd Do you hear me?

You're on the air sir.

Go ahead Okay, great

Couple things, three things actually.

One thing is you guys do a great job.

I love listening to it.

Appreciate it.

Learned a second thing, learned a new, learned a line today that I'm still laughing about.

Other than that, how is the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

You ever heard that one before?

That's never an old

one.

Maybe I did, but you know how it goes after, you know, maybe I need more nuts.

Yes, I'm having peanuts right now during this show.

That's by a lunch.

Yes.

And the fourth thing is, is I'd like to know where the Republicans think what country are they going to live in?

You know, it's like all of the, you know, once they create this totalitarian government, where do they think they're moving to?

Because I don't think it's so clear.

No, I get to Eau Claire a lot.

It's a beautiful town, a beautiful city.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was there at your show one time over at Ship Cyclery.

Oh, yeah, great.

Great place, Ship.

Great place for coffee in Eau Claire.

In any case, keep up the good work.

I love it.

And yeah, keep doing what you're doing, man.

Hey, thank you.

I really, really appreciate it, Richard.

Have a great day up there in Robert, pardon me, in Eau Claire up there.

I think it's a great question.

And I...

I guess because it's my former party, and I still know people who call themselves Republicans, I differentiate between Trump and the MAGA, people who are elected officials in Congress, and your average run-of-the-mill person in Eau Claire County, who says, hey, you know, I voted Republican for 25, 30 years, whatever, and our county sheriff.

runs under that.

I'm not sure if I have no idea whether the Eau Claire County Sheriff, what party they're from.

But whether it's your town, your town board person or whatever.

And and I think there are people like that, local elected officials that might still use the Republican moniker.

And I think those folks are are different, not all, but some than the people in charge of Washington, D.C.

But to the question, I don't know what they're thinking.

Because, and that's the thing, that's why I love taking this show on the road and we will again soon.

When you go to Eau Claire and shift coffee, or you go to Green Bay or Hayward or Richland Center or South Milwaukee, the Wisconsin, the America that I find is nothing like what the Trump administration is describing.

So I think it's a really great question to pose.

Where do these people in the leadership of the MAGA party

what kind of a country they think they're going to have left, then it goes back to the old poem, right?

And then they came for me.

And there was nobody left.

If we don't, if we don't stand up for the Constitution, if we don't stand up for the rule of law, for other people, at some point it gets back to us.

So I guess that's what, if nothing else, stand up for selfish reasons, right?

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Back to the phone lines, Waukesha, W-A-U-K, Richard in Waukesha.

Thanks for calling and listening, Richard.

What's up?

Well, I'm curious what you think of this.

I listened to the last couple of callers about that oil thing and the guns.

The oil thing.

I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

Well, in Oklahoma, oil kept well.

I'm wondering, you know, how long that well has been capped because that could have changed ownership in hands many times while it was capped.

Not quite fallen.

I think it might be talking two different stories, Oklahoma Richard.

I was talking about the story where an American

citizen

was raided by ICE officials in the middle of the night.

Whatever

the story.

Yeah, was with the oil.

Well, okay.

I'll look

into that.

I'll look into

that.

I appreciate it, Richard.

Thank you so much.

855-752-4842.

Keep it here in Dane County in Madison on WMDX.

Tom, we've got about a minute left.

So what say you?

Yeah, I was, you know, I think Republicans, no matter who they are, what strain we're going to make or not have to step up and start, you know, condemning this Trump action.

We certainly are not getting it out of our congressman.

We're not getting it out of our state reps.

at all.

And when it comes to talking about having Tom Homan arrest our governor.

That's going that's beyond the pale for me.

So I'm calling around today like I usually do and I got the Marjorie Taylor Greene's office, which is always a lot of fun and if you call there if you call her district office all you have to do is hit number two and you'll get to a person and I started talking to one of her staffers and I said, you know, we're arresting the governor of Wisconsin and she said, well, if he broke the law then he should be arrested.

I said, well, what law did he break?

It don't matter if he broke

I appreciate

your spirit, Tom.

I would suggest probably more effective to call US Senator Ron Johnson, Republican Ron Johnson's office, because he actually represents us, right?

And just based on past experience being a staffer, both the state and federal level, it's more

more effective when we call our own people that represent us.

So totally support what you're saying, Tom.

Understand the passion and where you're going.

I would just suggest folks across Wisconsin, if you

have

a Democratic House member, call Republican U.S.

Senator Ron Johnson office and say, look, keep your hands off of Governor Tony Evers.

Back with more after this, including what's worse on the other side.

We'll let you know about feelings.

Oh feelings after this is the title ball show on the civic media ready

network

Feelings.

Nothing more than feelings.

Trying to forget my feelings of love.

Welcome back to the Tunnelball show on a Friday afternoon.

Played

a little Robert Morris, apartment Morris at Morris Helper.

I can't even get the joke right.

Morris Alper on vinyl.

Thank you, Sam Damon, for, for dialing that up.

From 1975, is that right?

I guess so.

What a

look Morris has got going on this album cover.

Right?

The hair, it almost looks like a dark haired version of a revolutionary founding father wig, but it's real.

Yeah, sorta.

The open the open wide collar shirt

button down to like his belly button.

Yeah, it's naval.

And then kind of a black jacket with paisley sparkle swirls.

I mean, that it is classic seventies.

Worst Albertan feelings.

That was that.

I think that was maybe in a movie at some point.

I'm not sure.

But.

Thank you.

I appreciate doing that.

There's a point to it.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the top of our show on the civic media radio network 36 now past the hour of three o'clock because we are going to be talking a little bit about feelings here because ladies and gentlemen, yes, on a Friday is time for another edition of what's worse.

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All right, here we go This is a great category great category here timely timely indeed Because this time we hang out with people I'm going to the brewer game tonight With something with Kurt father of my god sons and by the way, this is

There were two tickets left for tonight and Mathers was very nice to offer them to me But two and so Kurt and his lovely wife Floresy She likes the brewers too and I saw I had to ask special permission Could it be a guy's night with just because all I have is two tickets

This will be a gauntlet throwing down in my face for months, if not years to come, because I've missed one cheese days in Monroe in all these years, and I still haven't lived it down to the floor, see?

And I can only imagine the number of dinners I'll have to perform.

I do enjoy taking her shopping.

That's the advantage that they have of having a gay friend, because I get to take Chris's wife shopping, because he has no time for it.

So we just take Kurt's credit card, we go shopping.

I don't get anything, but Floresy does.

So anyway, I'm going to the Brewers game tonight with Kurt, and who I obviously like a lot, but sometimes we're stuck with people that we don't always, like for instance, I think.

Not anybody in our company, but on Saturday night there is the WBA Wisconsin Broadcasters Awards and somehow they made a terrible terrible mistake and our show has been nominated for one of these awards So I have to go make an appearance all right in public and so I'm sure there'll be people from all over media all over Wisconsin Maybe some of these people might not be my cup of tea, but I have to act like it will be so the category today

What's worse, withdrawn or smothering, withdrawn or smothering, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, or you can text us at the Civic Media app, download it today, your app or Android device, 855-752-4842.

What's worse, worse, somebody who's withdrawn, in other words, someone who just,

might seem aloof or doesn't care or somebody who's smothering and Well, I'll take this one myself today be on to say in a relationship You might have somebody who's smothering you and that ain't good, but because I'm trying to think I've ever dated anyone who is smothering not really, but I've seen this other people

where one person in the relationship is like, you know, what time are you going to be home?

Where are you going to go?

What's going on?

And then you've got people who track each other, which I think is just weird.

But there's that whole thing too.

But, but, you know, they want to know all your feelings.

They're always and no, no, no, no, no.

The few relationships I've been in and believe me, it's been few.

And maybe there's a reason for that.

But, you know, I.

I like a little independence.

I go back to the story of my old substitute teacher, Ted Wheelock, who is a great guy who lived well into his nineties and was kayaking and out.

He used to coach cross country for high school in the junior college at Richland Center, friend of her family.

Great teacher.

I think he taught egg agriculture back in the day.

By the time I came along, there's a substitute teacher and he played tuba in the community band.

Now, I played percussion, and so I stood right behind Mr. Wheelock.

Well, one day, there was a break, a little break in the rehearsal, and he had just celebrated 50 years, five-zero, 50 years of marriage with his wife.

And I said, Mr. Wheelock, what is the secret to staying married with someone for 50 years?

And without hesitation, he said, well, I'll tell you.

He goes, see, it's easy.

He says, just don't spend too much time with him.

No, no, no, no, it's true.

He goes out now.

He goes, uh.

My wife, you know, she's in all these quilting things.

I don't care about that.

And he says, but I like to go out and kayak and ride bicycles.

She isn't like that.

But we do that once that we get together, we travel somewhere for a week or two, but then that's enough.

He goes, that's enough.

And then we each do our own thing.

So the secret is not to spend too much time.

I'm kind of like that.

Like I want, I want time together, but you also want a little bit of time alone.

So what's words withdrawn or smothering?

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Tony on YouTube says smothering is worse.

Smother his brothers.

The old tag team there.

Smothering is worse, says Tony.

Also, Zizhu on YouTube watching says, I'm going to say it's more the smothering is worse.

All right.

uh evil that's quite the handle there on youtube evil eyesore says smothered is worse because the smothery is usually dependent that is very deep that is very deep and interesting smothered is worse as evil eyesore because the smothery is usually uh uh dependent uh what else here

Let's let's go to the text line see we have eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two Four eight four two Matt in Milton Says withdrawn is worse.

I think as it may be hiding a more serious problem All right for the person or relationship as I see smothering as a sign of insecurity which is simpler to understand

Tyler in listening in Columbia County on WMDX, if it's highly motivated people or highly interested in the subject, withdrawn is worse because it's hard to figure out what caused them to withdraw.

These are some very deep answers today.

I like this.

This is very interesting.

And listening in Chippewa Falls says smothering is worse.

Chris listening down a beautiful Jamesville.

hometown of Tim Cullen.

God love him, dearly departed.

Uh, Chris and Janesville says smothering is way worse in a co, oh, in a co-worker.

Not there.

I could not agree more.

I could not agree more with that.

Just, just let me do my thing.

Well said, Chris.

And I'll hear about that.

That's okay.

Um, Roger in Steven's point says worse.

Worse is the song Feelings on my old KTEL records.

It was it was a big song Roger and Steven's point back in the day 855-752-4842 855-752

4842.

Let's go to our old friend Jack in Merrimack.

Jack, always a pleasure to hear from you on a Friday, my friend.

Withdrawn or smothering?

What's worse?

Smothering, definitely.

Smotherers tend to be scum-rollerers.

They tend to push their ideas and their goals onto the person being smothered.

I think that is absolutely atrocious.

All right.

And by the way, I do agree with you about the old joke about not spending too much time together.

My wife's cottage is up here in Merrimack.

I have a place down in West Alice.

And we've managed 13 years where we kind of bounce between the two.

So it works

for us.

See, look at

that.

You make it work.

You make it work.

I love it, Jack.

Congratulations on that.

And always appreciate the call by friend.

Have a great weekend, Jack.

Thank you.

Yep.

Thank you very much.

Now, see, that's fantastic at your own place.

You just just go back and forth like that.

Joseph, watching on YouTube says smothering is worse.

Ask me how I know.

Do I want to know, Joseph?

All right.

Tom L.A.

Tom says smothered is claustrophobic.

All right, very good.

Um, let's see here.

Uh, I will, I think we're caught up more or less here on the, on the texts here.

Oh, Kurt, Kurt Madison says of our, of Todd's pick of the song for this feelings.

So I hated that song when it came out and I hate it today.

And now thanks to you is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

Have a wonderful weekend, Todd.

I'm sorry, Kurt.

Curtin Madison.

It's one of those songs, it is one of those songs, right?

Once you get it in your head, it's hard to get it out.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings.

All right, any other calls?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

What's worse, smothering or withdrawn.

Sam is tied up on the phone, so I'm gonna wrap this up.

Conrad, if this is the great Conrad,

of Nightlight.

Thank you very much for listening Conrad.

Nightlight and Pete Schwabba always do a great, great job every evening from six until eight.

And I see, I believe Mike Clemens, our great sports reporter is on tonight, Terry Barr.

And then one more guest.

So tune in tonight, like tonight Conrad up at WGBW in Green Bay says smothering.

I've lived alone for two years and like it that way right now.

Conrad, I'm with you.

That I'll give you my take.

My take is.

smothering his words for basically what Conrad said.

Because yes, I mean, it would be cool to be with someone and have that that, you know, relationship.

But I think it's also hard to give up your your complete private or free time to go go to Culver's, whatever you want and take a walk, whatever you want.

You don't want to be too smothered, right?

So I appreciate everybody who called and and tuned in on that on what's worse for today We will have more additions of what's worse coming up on on Monday show So I'll look forward to that in nervous anticipation want to get to a couple of clean-up issues in terms of news headlines lots of news breaking today I want to get back to that as we turn the page here at 48 minutes before the hour of

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