The Trump Administration Is Arresting Judges Now (Hour 1)

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The Trump Administration Is Arresting Judges Now (Hour 1)

The Todd Allbaugh Show · Fri Apr 25, 2025

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But right now I want to get to breaking news of the day.

Our friend and colleague Jane McNair and Greg Bach on McNair on air along with our news director at WAUK in Waukesha, Racine were the first ones to talk about this this morning on Jane's show.

It's been a fluid story throughout the morning and wanting to pick up on this.

Our friend Matt Flynn is standing by

in Milwaukee, we're going to go to him to help us suss all this out and understand it in just a moment.

But I want to start out kind of putting the story in context and where I'm going to start from is a great story.

by CBS News, Scott McFarland, great reporter, tells it right down the middle.

Honestly, he covers the federal courts, all done a lot of stuff on January 6th to other places.

Scott McFarland really puts this in the context at CBS News.

So that's where I'm going to start and we're going to bring Matt in.

So this is from the CBS story.

The FBI this morning arrested a Wisconsin county judge

on obstruction charges accusing her of preventing the arrest of a man by immigration authorities during a federal law enforcement operation at her courthouse.

FBI Director Cash Patel said Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan

quote, intentionally misdirected federal agents away, unquote, from an immigrant who is in the US illegally and was set to be arrested.

Gonna step away from the story a minute.

He put this out on Twitter this morning, has since taken it down.

But of course, you know, once things are on Twitter, they're always there.

Back to the CBS story.

Patel said that this man, Eduardo Florez-Ruiz, was later arrested and is currently being detained.

Dugan was arrested at eight o'clock this morning at the courthouse where Dugan works.

According to a federal law enforcement source, she was charged with two counts of its obstruction and released from detention after making an initial appearance in federal court.

Now I'm going to paraphrase this next part.

There was a sworn statement by the FBI agent this guy had been deported from the U.S.

back in 2013.

The allegation is he illegally re-entered the U.S.

again and had been in court for allegedly committing battery.

Back to the story.

After a fingerprint match from Flores Ruiz's first arrest in 2013 and a local case in Milwaukee, a warrant for his arrest and deportation was issued by ICE.

This next part is important.

While Flores Ruiz was scheduled to appear before Dugan in a criminal court appearance, law enforcement waited outside her courtroom to arrest him on an administrative warrant.

Matt Flynn's going to explain the importance of that in a minute.

Back to the story.

The FBI agent said in a statement that, quote, arrest team members reported that while waiting outside of the courtroom, a woman approached and took photos of arrest team members, unquote, just before Flores Ruiz arrived at the courthouse with his attorney.

A courtroom deputy told the FBI agent that the woman who took the photos of the arrest team showed the pictures to Judge Dugan while she was on the bench in her courtroom, and, quote, Dugan became visibly angry, commented that the situation was absurd, left the bench, and entered chambers, unquote.

Judge Dugan then approached the arrest team with another judge in the public hallway, quote,

Witnesses uniformly reported that Judge Dugan was visibly upset and had a confrontational angry demeanor, unquote, the agent wrote.

Dugan, according to witnesses, told the arrest team to go to the chief judge's office to speak with them about the permissibility of making the arrest inside the courthouse and looked around the hallway near her courtroom to seek out other law enforcement officers who are waiting to arrest Florez Ruiz.

One agent, who Dugan did not recognize as part of the arrest team, remained in the hallway waiting for the suspect.

After that, the special agent said multiple witnesses in Dugan's courtroom saw her say, quote, wait, come with me, unquote, to Flores-Louise.

He headed towards the public courtroom exit where the officers were waiting, quote, Judge Dugan then escorted Flores-Louise to his counsel, or end his counsel.

out of the courtroom through a, quote unquote, jury door, which leads to a non-public area of the courthouse, unquote, the agent wrote, adding that Dugan also instructed the man's attorney to also leave the courtroom through that door.

Agents later spotted Florez or Lee's, quote, looking around the hallway, unquote, in the courthouse and followed him out of the courthouse where a foot chase ensued and he was arrested.

Dugan's arraignment is set.

for May 15th.

I wanted to set that stage as being reported by CBS News at this hour.

Scott McFarland, a great reporter.

And remember, a lot of that is according to the FBI.

who is part of this whole deal, to make sense of it, to put it down there where the chickens can get at it.

Our friend always says history is being made every moment of every day.

Let's go to the front lines of history.

Matt Flynn, an attorney and author, a veteran of the United States Navy and one of our friends as well, a former chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, two times, by the way, Matt, thanks for being here.

Matt Flynn

Good to be with you, Todd.

I always love being on the Todd Olbo show.

And this is a very, very concerning story.

And I want to say right from the outset, I know Judge Dugan.

I have supported her and I have known her for years.

She's a very fine judge.

She's very, very honest.

She's committed no crime.

And let's just explain real briefly the result of what happened.

First of all, this is an administrative warrant.

It wasn't a judicial warrant.

An administrative warrant is issued by, in this case, ICE or the Naturalization Department.

without any judicial oversight whatsoever.

Ice has been corrupt.

Now, many ice agents are very fine people, but at the highest levels, they've been corrupted.

You take something like Kash Patel.

Kash Patel, I don't believe, really has American values.

He sort of reminds me of Narendra Modi's Hindu Nationalist Party values, frankly.

So what they do is they come to the thing.

She tells him to leave go to the chief judge's office judge Ashley who also somebody I know and they they many leave but one of them Slightly stays behind She then goes in and she says to the guy and his lawyer Leave by that exit.

There's nothing wrong with that.

She can control her courtroom I Litigated in Milwaukee for 40 years and the whole issue of cameras in the courtroom who can go in the courtroom is up to the judge

is up to the judge.

These people should not be going into the courthouse, much less a courtroom.

So she did it.

She didn't mislead anybody.

And now they, as an intimidation tactic, have charged her with two felonies in federal court.

And she is innocent.

She has committed no crime.

And I think you're going to find people, including judges, will be uniformly supportive of her.

Todd Alba

Matt, let's go back to a second to this guy, Flores Ruiz, who was the...

the guys are going after the FBI.

So he's here apparently on not, he's not, help me understand this.

He was not going to judge Dugan's courtroom on any sort of immigration charges.

It was a separate allegation of battery that he had done.

Apparently, according to the reporting by CBS, he at one time at least was undocumented and is accused of coming back in undocumented.

But this has nothing to do, correct me if I'm wrong,

with whether this guy is legal or illegal or keeping people in or out, this has to do with the sanctity of law in a Wisconsin courtroom.

Am I right about that?

Matt Flynn

No, you hit the nail in the head and I'll go one step further.

When a judge in Wisconsin controls her own courtroom, it's as simple as that.

And if someone is disruptive or there's something she thinks is wrong, she can control it.

She did control it.

She personally went out.

didn't mislead anybody.

She said, get out of here and go to Judge Ashley's office.

He's the chief judge.

They all went away, but one, he sneakily stuck around.

They did not have a judicial warrant.

They had a warrant, quote, warrant that was simply signed by one of their team, by one of Cash Patel's team.

And then she went back in and said, you can leave by this exit.

She can decide whatever exit she wants to have them leave.

None of their business.

There's none of their business.

Then they went off and they finally caught the guy.

This is absolutely of a piece with everything Trump is doing and all of his cabinet, which is to try to intimidate American citizens in this case.

Hannah Dugans an American citizen in a highly regarded judge.

Todd Alba

New reporting from Dan Bice, the journal Sentinel at this hour, Milwaukee says a new statement from Hannah Dugan, quote, Judge Hannah C. Dugan has committed herself to the rule of law and the principles of due process for her entire career as a lawyer and a judge.

Judge Dugan will defend herself vigorously and looks forward to being exonerated, unquote, new statement from Judge Dugan as reported by Dan Bice at this hour, Matt.

Matt Flynn

Right.

And remember something.

This was not a judicial warrant.

If they want to arrest me, a judge can write a warrant and that's a very substantial thing.

An administrative warrant is somebody within the agency.

In this case, this agency has shown its colors, its invading courtrooms, and some guy signs it and says, okay, this is a warrant.

Well, it does not trump Judge Dugan's power over her own courtroom.

And she can she she comported herself absolutely lawfully and absolutely by extending new process.

Todd Alba

About a minute left here before the first break.

I'm going to come back in here from US Attorney General Pam Bondi, who is already on the conservative airwaves talking about this after the break.

But I want you to talk for a minute here, explain the latitude.

that a judge has in the state of Wisconsin over their courtroom, because it's fairly broad and I don't think a lot of people

Matt Flynn

understand this.

A judge has absolute control over the courtroom.

If there's someone disruptive, they can send them out.

In this case, ICE was being disruptive by coming in without judicial authorization and about to interfere with her court.

The cases that I had, I would try to get TV cameras in for TV stations.

The judge can decide.

If they don't want them in there, out you go.

Out you go.

And so in this particular case Judge Duggan acted with restraint and absolutely she has control of her courtroom.

or we'd have a circus, and what's going on here is sort of a Putin tactic of trying to intimidate judges.

That's what's going on

Todd Alba

here.

Yeah, absolutely.

We're gonna come back, so we say we have Attorney General, US Attorney General Pam Bondi on Fox News this morning, talking about this case and allegations against all judges.

What does this mean, not just for these judges, but what is Trump really up to here?

What does cash patel up here?

Is this up to?

Is this intimidation, and what does it mean for us as Wisconsinites?

We'll come back, discuss it, well, with our friend,

Matthew J. Flynn, attorney of Milwaukee, our friend of ours.

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On a Friday, April 25th, 2025, Matt Flynn, attorney at Milwaukee.

a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

Great author, by the way.

We'll talk about that some of the time with Matt.

We always like to talk about some of the books he's written.

But he's here today in helping us understand what's going on in Milwaukee.

This breaking news first reported by our colleagues, Jane McNair and Greg Baca along with Stuart J. Waddles on McNair on air this morning.

They were right on top of this as soon as it happened and went through this story on CBS News.

Scott McFarland, who's a longtime judicial reporter, I think put this in great context.

and talking about this arrest this morning in Milwaukee County Courthouse of this judge, Judge Hannah Dugan, Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge, who had this guy in her courtroom who, the Fed's alleges here illegally, but he was in there for an alleged battery charge.

Just talking about that and and so the the the fed show up the FBI ice whatnot and Cash Patel puts out this tweet this morning the head of the FBI and since deleted it and and basically calling for Judge Dugan to not basically did call for Judge Dugan and she got arrested the allegation is that somehow she helped this individual who is alleged to be undocumented slip away

by saying, hey, exit my courtroom for a certain door.

And just like what happened with Trump rounding up alleged Venezuelan gang members and sending them to CCOT, this high-security, almost gulag-type prison in El Salvador, Matt, it seems to me, again, this isn't so much about

whether, you know, look, I'm not for people being here, quote unquote, illegally.

I think we should have strong borders.

It's not about that to me in the, in the case against the folks going to El Salvador due process, whether you're a citizen or not, constitution guarantees due process.

And here in this case now with the judge in Milwaukee, Matt, it seems to me this is not about whether this individual happens to be, quote unquote, legal or illegal, but it's about Ken the head of the FBI in the United States of America.

just out rounding up and arresting judges for seemingly trumped up charges pun intended.

Matt Flynn

That nails it.

Just exactly what she said.

I know nothing about this defendant.

He may be a bad guy and he maybe should be deported consistent with the process.

In this case, they're not just going after him.

They're going after the judge.

And the judge was very upfront.

She came walking out of her courtroom and she said, stay the hell out of my courtroom.

Get out of the courthouse.

And if you have a problem with that, go to see Carl Ashley, the chief judge.

That's what they should

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have

Matt Flynn

done.

A whole bunch of them went to see him, but one sort of lay in the weeds and to stay back there.

And she went into the courtroom and told the lawyer and apparently told the lawyer and the defendant, you can leave by that door.

That's her right.

It's her courthouse.

It's her courtroom.

That is her right.

I've litigated in those courthouses for a long time now She had no obligation to go out in the court and say oh you snuck around and you're still hanging here.

You look suspicious That's okay.

Why don't you do whatever the hell you want in my court?

That's not what Wisconsin law says you what they are doing the Trump administration

It's having people like Cash Patel and it could be somebody like Christine Ohm next time sign a piece of paper to say go grab this guy and that's what good.

Well, first of all, it's not good.

It's not depressed.

But secondly, and if you don't turn them over, we'll arrest the judge.

I don't think so.

And there is going to be a strong reaction from Wisconsin on that one.

Chad

We're going to get to that minute.

Senator US Senator Tammy Baldwin has already put out a statement before before we do that.

want to play this cut this is from Fox News just a few moments ago US Attorney General Pam Bondi was on there and they're asking her not just about Judge Dugan who was arrested in Milwaukee but another judge on on similar kind of made-up charges because in the eyes of the Trump administration they're not adhering to what they think they should and and so Fox News asked US Attorney General Pam Bondi about this here's what she said

Pam Bondi

What's happened to our judiciary is beyond me.

Yeah, so when when the American public hears this and they think these were once upstanding people in their communities and and and there are professions and they put it all on the line for this and Have you dug into their motive like what inspired them?

to carry out these acts and harbor

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criminals.

They're deranged is all I can think of.

I cannot believe I think some of these judges think they are beyond and above the law and they are not.

And we're sending a very strong message today.

If you are harboring a fugitive, we don't care who you are.

If you are helping hide one, if you are giving a TDA member guns, anyone who is illegally in this country, we will come after you and we will prosecute you.

Chad

We will

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find

Chad

you.

that from US Attorney General Pam Bondi, the supposed top law enforcement person in the United States of America, that to me sounds chilling.

I mean, a person with that much power and standing to say, we're going to come after you and find you.

Matt Flynn

If I were Hannah Dugan, I would sue her for defamation for large damages for saying that she harbored a criminal and that she was deranged or whatever else was said.

There's absolutely false.

Pam Bondi.

is not, in my view, a legitimate attorney general.

She's sort of a bond girl.

She was hired for her appearance, just like Hague Seth was for his appearance.

These people have absolutely no ability whatsoever.

And she got on there and she just lied.

She didn't harbor a criminal.

Hannah Dugan didn't harbor anybody.

Hannah Dugan has what's called a courtroom.

And the defendants in what's called the courtroom.

And Hannah Dugan said to people, get the hell out of my courtroom.

And then she told the guy they could leave by a certain door.

It was absolutely false what Pam Bondi just said.

I don't know who this other judge is they're talking about.

But if Trump thinks that he's going to start having people like Pam Bondi and Kash Patel sign pieces of paper that say warrants at the top and therefore their committee felonies, baloney, we're not going to put up with

Chad

that.

Yeah.

Matt, I really appreciate your time on short notice coming in and helping us explain this because I.

Think in moments like this, when rhetoric gets turned up, we need to focus on the law, what the law says, and follow that.

And nobody does it better.

I appreciate you, my friend.

Thanks for being here today.

Good to be with you, Chad, always.

Thank you so very much.

Matt Flynn, he'll be back, always around.

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Want to talk about tariffs a little bit but from a different perspective reports today that president Donald Trump going to dial back More of the tariffs particularly on China And what hasn't been talked a lot about Part of some people are say well, you know, he's his internal economists came in and said well, they're probably not the right thing to do What has not been talked about is earlier this week

Some of the big guys, I think they're all guys from places like Amazon and then more so Target and some of these big box stores came in for a private meeting with Trump and said, yeah, here's the thing about all these tariffs on China.

By summer, these store shelves will be empty because most of our things we put in Target and Walmart and the big box stores,

come from China.

And that seemed to resonate because Trump, if you draw him a picture, you understand, he gets those things.

In crown.

Well, yeah.

And so he, so he, uh, so that probably would not be a good look on Twitter.

So he's reconsidering this.

This is a great thread on, on Twitter this week from Ryan Pedersen.

And for those listening from Richland Center, no, not that Ryan Pedersen.

Great guy, by the way, Ryan Pedersen.

This is a different Ryan Pedersen.

Maybe he's he pronounces at Peterson, I'm not sure.

Founder and CEO of Flexport had a great take on this.

He writes, in the three weeks since the tariffs took effect, ocean container bookings from China to the United States are down 60 percent industry wide.

Get this the US imports 600 billion with a B billion dollars worth of goods from China every year 95% of that Via ocean freight Those goods sell at retail for two trillion dollars So think about that all the goods annually that come into the United States They sell at retail for two trillion dollars

Peterson writes if the tariffs on China continue at the current levels We would see a two trillion dollar hit to the economic activity in our country the failure of tens of thousands of American businesses and the laying off of millions of employees We'll also have mass shortages this summer as goods don't show up the first ships carrying goods paying the duties

arrived on Monday, this past Monday, and the decline in freight arrivals will hit in the coming weeks.

Company is stocked up on inventory in anticipation of April 2nd's tariffs, so it'll take a while before the shortages hit.

If Trump reverses course very soon, he could head off the worst of this catastrophe, but every day it gets worse.

With bookings down 65% ocean carriers cancelled 25% of their salings from China the last two weeks Those ships are already being repositioned to other trade lanes So again step away from Peterson's writing What he's saying is you know because of what Trump has already done

If he doesn't reverse it, which now he's talking today, he might a two trillion hit to the economy in retail sales over the course of a year and That bookings so what happens is you have you know all these all these big carrier ships that call all of our Crap from China that we that we buy myself included at Walmart and Target and

even true value, even, even our local, some, some of our local mom and pop stores, look at the bottom.

It says Made in China.

All right.

So all that stuff has to come on a container ship.

There's no railway that carries it, no semis.

I guess some select things come via plane, but the vast majority comes via containers.

And these, when we say containers, so all these great big huge barges that are blocks long.

are these containers.

The containers are basically railway cars.

So think of how big a car is on a train, on a carrier train or a cargo train.

Well, those are called containers and that carries all the stuff from China on a ship here.

They get taken off the ship and they get put on a railroad car and then some of them get onto 18-wheelers and whatnot and that's how it gets into our local stores.

So these container ships many of them are owned by private carriers So bookings are already down 65% and ocean carriers have cancelled 25% of their say of the salings of the bookings already All right So back to this a long thread by Ryan Peterson really informative He writes quote soon

We may find ourselves in a bullwhip scenario where Trump relaxes the tariffs, but all those canceled orders get rebooked, creating a huge surge.

And with all the canceled services and repositioned vehicles, get this, there won't be enough throughout the pipeline in the ocean network to keep up.

The result.

will be surging prices on the ocean perhaps higher than we saw in 2024 when the Red Sea was cut off for shipping.

And approaching levels from 2021-2022 when container rates from China to the US hit $20,000 each.

Air freight rates also surged that year as just 1% of ocean freight volume being converted to air is enough to send prices

above $10,000 a kilo as we saw during COVID.

He writes, it's a strange time in the logistics world as we have to plan for the unimaginable while hedging for regression to the mean, basically mean relatively normal trade relations.

He writes, thankfully, we're all well versed in operating in crisis mode here at his company called Flexport.

It's why we'll likely be working in this industry.

We have learned to run tight Observe observation oriented decide act loops.

That's that's for people in logistics.

They those people get that But basically what he's saying here if you boil it all down to look what he's written This is the guy who deals in this industry That because of this self-inflicted wound by Donald Trump ie these unprecedented tariffs

Even if he starts relaxing it and reversing it today or the coming days, which is good We're probably still going to see either a a shortage of goods this summer and or higher prices at the stores Because of the short-sightedness and self-infliction wound of Donald Trump because these ships that carry all of our stuff to us

25% of them have already booked with other clients around the world.

So you can't just undo that in a moment.

It's going to take time already for the shipping industry to go back to some semblance of normal.

And in the meantime, we're going to have goods sitting in ports in China that can't get here and those goods that are here, prices are going to go up.

I just think it's important that we understand this because we're going to hear a lot of lies and rhetoric in the coming weeks and months as prices go up and goods aren't here.

Blaming Democrats, probably Joe Biden.

I think it's important to pause and reflect the real reason why these things are happening.

And the really important thing is none of this had to happen.

It is the fault.

It is the actions of one person, Donald Trump, to bring these tariffs on the United States that's going to cause all of this havoc.

And none of it is good.

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Because right now, I mean, I, you know, you go to the storage, everything looks fine.

We'll see we'll see if that continues on through the summer Want to touch on a couple of things because there's we don't and again I get it a lot of this stuff is to distract us, right?

From what's really happening in Congress, but I also feel like some of this stuff.

We have to also talk about But I do want to take a few minutes major things ahead for Congress and we're going to continue to talk about it on Monday Congress and recess right now

One of the things Congress has to keep their eye on the ball is recessions Congress expects to get president Donald Trump's list of suggested cuts From current spending sometime this week.

Well the week's running out We're told by a familiar source these are known as Recisions I should I think I said recessions recisions What what could the cost of recisions be?

Punch ball is on it

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We'll talk about that when we come back.

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Also, his thoughts as a high school coach on the WIAA, approving NIL.

All that coming up in hour number two.

And of course, Matt Golden, Matthew Golden is now a Green Bay Packer.

Talk about the draft.

And then Peter Raitepine at the bottom next hour, managing editor of eBombs World with the wild and wacky in human behavior.

Right now, talking about some of these major things ahead for Congress coming up here after the Easter break, as they call it.

Recisions.

I think I said recessions.

I really do need to get new glasses soon.

Congress sending President Donald Trump a list of suggested cuts from current spending.

This is from Punchbowl News.

This is not just the new budget, but this is from current spending.

So these rescisions differ from the traditional cuts considered by Congress, whereby lawmakers usually vote on the next year's spending.

But here,

President Trump expected to propose cuts to current spending, including possibly eliminating funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which would affect some 1,500 local public media stations, as well as national public radio and public broadcasting, PBS, which includes PBS News, Sesame Street, amongst others.

Once Trump proposes the rescissions, Congress has 45 legislative days to either accept them or amend them.

Otherwise, his request lapses and the next funding or the funding rather stays intact.

So while we're hearing all of these kind of more politically media sexy stories, we have to keep our eyes on what's happening in the halls of Congress to see what they're doing to possibly

make cuts there.

Another thing we have to look at more next week, reconciliation.

Last we left Republican lawmakers, they have passed the first critical step toward expanding and extending Donald Trump's tax cuts, a budget resolution.

This blueprint opens up the reconciliation process that allows Republicans to pass tax cuts and some other agenda items, though the Senate, or rather through the Senate, with a simple majority vote.

They do not have significant time if they want to make their deadline.

The budget resolution sets a May 9th deadline for committees to write the tax cut portion of their next larger bill.

Doing this will not be easy.

The budget resolution left most of the hard questions unanswered.

Amongst them, how much spending must be cut and where the cuts come from?

How much should the debt ceiling increase?

and which tax cuts should be added for whom and for how long.

In other words, it's the nitty gritty.

It's the details, right?

Devil's always in the details.

So while the big story is making news, we have to keep our eyes on that.

There's these things that are happening in Congress that really affect you and I as taxpayers and what happens in our daily lives.

Also, the future of Medicaid, we'll get to that next week as well.

855-752-4842.

Let's go quickly to Rick in Waukesha, listening on WAUK.

Rick, you want to talk about tariffs?

What's that you?

Rick from Waukesha (caller)

Yeah,

Todd (host)

Todd,

Rick from Waukesha (caller)

I got some thought on this.

Have you ever heard of a pipeline bubble?

I have not.

Okay, what this is, is in the oil industry when they have one pipeline.

And they have multiple products.

They'll put a wash bubble through there.

They'll clean the pipe and empty it and then change the product.

Got it.

Okay.

So that's a pipeline bubble.

And what I'm wondering is if this situation is intentional to help the oil industry for some payback in the shipping.

And then also I'm wondering

if this tariff, you know, the oil industry is going to start having trouble because China has built this huge dam and they're going to start producing a lot of electricity.

So, you know, there's a reason that maybe this is all going on.

Todd (host)

Yeah, the story, I appreciate the call, Rick.

Thank you so very much.

What we were talking about earlier is the tariffs more so on produced goods, not so much energy.

But things like, you know, I don't know, summer times come in like beach balls that we buy for the kids at the beach or or coolers.

Almost all that stuff's produced in China and it all comes across on a container ship.

And so now this story we were talking about Ryan Peterson here posted on on acts.

A guy who works in the industry is saying that, you know, 25% of the ships that normally carry that stuff because of the Trump tariffs, they're already reassigned to other places.

So even if Trump relaxes some of these tariffs on goods from China, it may not even be able to get them on ships in time to get here for the summer into the fall.

It takes time to set all this stuff up.

But interesting thought there, Rick, on industry and oil as well.

Of course, under Biden, we're now our own largest oil producer here in the United States.

We have a lot of energy.

And of course, you incorporate green energy, expanding solar and wind into that as well.

But Rick, you bring up an interesting point, we'll have to look into that.

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, we'll welcome your calls as well.

But we're gonna keep on top of this, as we said, lots of things coming as Congress gets back into session in the future of Medicaid.

Also, nomination holds, lots of people that have been put on hold for,

for nominees from President Trump.

So all that to come next week.

And of course, summer is with you in two days in today's news cycle.

Anything can happen.

Who knows?

It's truly anything.

Anything.

Here's what I know is going to happen.

We're going to take a break.

News, weather and sports come back with Brandon Ewing on the other side.

What's it like to be a family member and wait while your brother gets drafted in the NFL and also NIL.

Name, image, and likeness comes to high school athletics.

Parker Klein, your deal with Culver's is done.

Back after this on the Allball Show.

Todd Alba (host)

Live from the Civic Media World headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Brandon Ewing

Listen to this crowd.

Oh, baby.

Matthew Golden, wide receiver of Texas.

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And he's here.

Todd Alba (host)

And courtesy of the NFL Network, that was the call last night toward the pick.

Mark Murphy, Packers president for the final time in his tenure.

He is retiring after this year announced to the Green Bay Packers for the first time in a long, long time.

Actually got him.

a wide receiver.

Welcome back to hour number two.

Everybody glad to have you along.

Aaron Zommer is on the board.

It is seven now past the hour of three o'clock here on the Tottenham Bowl show Friday, April 25th, 2025.

A great day to be a Wisconsinite, particularly if you're a Packers fan.

And this was great.

Our sports reporter, Mike Clemens, got got Golden's autograph on this helmet and already sent it down to me this morning.

I'm just kidding.

I don't actually have the autograph.

It's just the Packers helmet.

Here to discuss the draft and so much more, he joins us occasionally.

Usually we have Brady Ewing on, former Green Bay Packer, former, would that have been fantastic?

Former Wisconsin Badger fullback and spent three years in the league, the NFL for Atlanta and Jacksonville respectively.

He's on the road today.

Or so he says,

here now.

Brandon Ewing

So he

Todd Alba (host)

says his older brother joining us live from the old hometown of Richland center.

Brandon, you knew it was also a Wisconsin high school football coach in his own right.

Brandon, always great to have you along.

How are you?

I'm doing awesome.

Thank you for having me.

How are you doing?

I'm great.

Thanks for asking.

It was great at a good time last night.

I just sat by myself.

I had a, you know what I had left?

I had a, uh,

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a,

Todd Alba (host)

uh, a new Glaris.

Strawberry rhubarb beer left over.

I cracked one of those.

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Those are so good.

Todd Alba (host)

And a hot dog.

I had brought hot dogs and I was going to grill on the show, but I couldn't find a George Foreman grill.

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Everything to tailgate and studio except the grill.

Brandon Ewing

Why didn't you call me?

I would have driven one right over.

Do you have a George Foreman grill?

My grill, yeah, my grill outdoors kind of took a crap on us.

Anna came home.

My wife came home with a bunch of hot dogs

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last

Brandon Ewing

week.

And she's like, well, I got these hot dogs.

What are we going to do with them?

And I said, I have just the thing.

RIP, George Foreman.

Look at see.

But.

Todd Alba (host)

Yeah, I'm

Brandon Ewing

sorry.

We got it done.

I

Todd Alba (host)

should have called you.

I should have called you.

So I thought, well, I got all these hot dogs.

So I went home last night and put them on a proper grill.

And so I hadn't had I sat and had a a beard hot dogs.

I watched the draft.

That was

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my so good for you are not the first one.

That when Todd told this story too, the reaction was, why didn't you call me?

I have a George Foreman girl.

They're like three other people who said the same thing.

Brandon Ewing

Exactly.

It turns out a lot of people have.

They love you.

We love you.

And we would do that for you.

Todd Alba (host)

I appreciate that.

I appreciate that.

What do you think last night, Matthew Golden from Texas, a wide receiver coming to Green Bay?

What was your take on the pick, Brandon?

Brandon Ewing

Well, first and foremost, what about Murphy's enthusiasm?

Did you did anybody know he had that in him?

No, like I just I was shocked

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to

Brandon Ewing

see you know, just how he handled that and Yeah, it was great.

It was great.

And then the pick that's something that we as Wisconsinites I mean you go from far to Rogers.

We haven't needed that those guys made everybody so much better Jordan I can do that but

I think putting weapons around him is probably the right thing to do.

Todd Alba (host)

And then Goody makes a joke today.

He plays it great straight face.

So he said, yeah, I actually sent another name and Murphy just completely ignored it.

And it

Brandon Ewing

was a joke, but it was very funny.

That's that Trump card that he's got.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

But going back, Todd, can I interject real quick?

Yeah.

You know, I look at last year and what I thought truly was a position of strength and wide receiver.

You know, you got Christian Watson who, to be honest, we can't, we can't.

lose sight of him because I think that when he comes back he's got a lot of those intangibles that we're looking for and

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he

Brandon Ewing

will make our offense better but you know you have him with his ACL you've got Romeo Dubs with his concussion issues and then the the disappearing act that was Jaden Reed it really was a position of need and and so to to pick up Golden who

had a lot higher on their draft boards right there at that 23rd pick was pretty exciting.

Todd Alba (host)

I went back and forth watching ESPN ABC.

I kind of settled in on ABC because I like the college game day, guys.

And Nick Saban, former Alabama coach, a seven-time national champion, the crew asked him before the pick, who would you, if you were Goodacons, who would you pick right now?

And Coach Saban said, look, if I'm in that room, I'm picking Golden.

And he had nothing but good things to say.

Of course, he has a direct connection to Texas coach Steve Sarkasian.

And I guess Texas had nothing but great things to say about this kid.

His work ethic is just kind of, I'll do anything for the team, his ability to really pick up systems quickly.

Because he transferred in, right?

And it only spent a year

Brandon Ewing

in Texas.

From Houston.

Todd Alba (host)

From Houston, yeah.

And so I thought, well, man, if Nick Saban thinks this kid is good, that's good enough for me.

Brandon Ewing

Yeah, and honestly, you look at how...

And I'm not saying that I watched every Texas football game last year, but you look at how they transition from having him be a piece of the puzzle to late in the year when they were going through their championship stretch,

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where

Brandon Ewing

he was really a focal point and how he excelled in those positions.

So yeah, I'm not going to say he's going to be the cure-all, but he absolutely will be a fit within this offense.

And sounds like Jordan loves pretty happy.

Todd Alba (host)

Somewhere Aaron Rodgers is saying.

Why not me?

Why did they do that when I was there?

Brandon Ewing

You know what, he's a whole famer in his own party.

Exactly.

Todd Alba (host)

Any other standout things from last night's draft that really stood out to you?

Picks or otherwise?

Brandon Ewing

Yeah.

Shoulder Sanders, you know, who would have thought that he wouldn't have been drafted day one?

You know, that is a talented.

Yeah.

We're on a group

Todd Alba (host)

chat with Brady and Brandon and myself last night.

I'll say Brandon called this before the draft even started, that Sidor Sanders was not going to be taken in round one.

Of course, the standout quarterback from Colorado and his dad prime not looking too happy.

And you were right, Brandon.

Brandon Ewing

Yeah, well, a lot of the things that I was seeing and reading, you know, it was going to be a stretch and, you know, looking at some of the gambling odds, you know, the odds kept getting worse and worse.

And so it just kind of told the story.

Somebody knows something and he's not going to be out there long today.

I mean, somebody's going to snatch him up early and he is a talented quarterback and a good leader.

Some people don't like the other stuff, but

It's Dion's boy.

What else do you expect?

Todd Alba (host)

And Coach Sam was making a big deal about this last night.

He was getting really irritated.

He kind of called out his own company.

He called out ABC ESPN for like, why are we talking about this?

Because it doesn't matter where you really get drafted.

If you're in the first couple of days, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you get drafted in the first round or the second or the third.

getting opportunity and making the most of that opportunity.

And Saban was not happy about all the hoopla around secure last night.

Brandon Ewing

Yeah, I mean, it's you're exactly right.

It's the only the only benefit of going in that first round is just that that fifth year option for the teams.

So, you know, to be honest, I was actually interested to see what was going to happen at the tail end to see if somebody would try to trade into that spot so that they had that fifth year option.

But, you know,

It is what it is.

He's not going to last long today.

I don't know.

This is the best reality TV I think that you can get right now.

Would you agree?

Todd Alba (host)

No, it's really fun to watch.

And that's a good transition into why I was actually really happy to have you on today is because one of the coolest things that I like about the draft is

the family members who get to finally talk because it's their son or their or or their brother or or their grandson who gets drafted and then to hear all these parents and grandparents and brothers and sisters talk about the guy who gets drafted that's really cool and so I want just to get your take you know it's been a few years now but when Brady got drafted what in the fifth round right and and so but

And for those that don't know, our parents live a house apart in the neighborhood in Richland Center.

So I've known your family quite a while.

And when you and Brady come on together, the love you have, you're a very tight-knit family.

And so what was it like for you personally, for your mom and dad, for your sisters to be there watching this all unfold and Brady's on the clock, as they say?

Brandon Ewing

Yeah, Todd.

And thank you for asking that question, because honestly, it was such a special day.

We knew that he wasn't going to go in the first couple of rounds.

So, right, you're watching just to kind of see how everything shook out.

And, you know, from a fullback and H-back perspective, Brady was one of the top two or three guys that, you know, people felt were going to get drafted.

So, yeah.

He that that that third day when we started watching, we just had anticipation and we knew who was very interested in him based off of some of the conversations that that he had had.

So yeah, we're we're watching and once those teams started to come up, it's like you're kind of watching with beta breath.

Who's going to call?

You know, there were a couple of times that as we were sitting there, um, and, you know, those teams would pop up and we kind of look over at Brady and be like, okay, cause he was getting tax, right?

And you would tell people, Hey, just, you know, try not to, uh, communicate with us on draft day, but, um, you know, people were just interested and excited.

And, you know, from when he did get picked, um, to, to be a part of that or just be a fly on the wall, to hear the conversation to.

see his excitement, to see my parents' excitement, to be able to experience it with my wife, with Brady's wife at the time.

Honestly, it was a special moment and a moment that I'll never forget.

And

Todd Alba (host)

I mean, it has to just be cool.

I mean, I know my sister and I felt going to the first couple of games when he was at Wisconsin.

And here's a kid from Richland Center, a town of 5,000 people, makes it to Wisconsin and ends up earning the scholarship.

starts as a walk on.

And the first couple of times we saw Brady get a big play week.

We got we got emotional as just friends of the family.

I can't imagine what it's like to see your own brother finally get drafted into the national football league because so very many few individuals in our country ever reach the professional leagues, let alone make it to the NFL.

Brandon Ewing

Yeah.

And Todd, you said it.

We're a small town.

We're small town, small community.

you know, what you felt and your sentiment is what others had in our community as well.

So when he got picked, it felt like the community, the community all around, it was like their brother was picked.

And yeah, so later that night, right, David, my father, my brother, myself and a couple other family friends, we have a fire pit outside and it was a chilly night, but we were out there lighting off fireworks, having a couple of cocktails and just enjoying.

And I'm telling you, people would drive up.

people wanted to be a part of that, to experience it with him.

And that's a testament to Brady.

Brady is such a humble, honest, caring, loving individual.

And people like him and like to be around him and wanted to experience that with

Todd Alba (host)

him.

It's still a source of pride for our hometown, I know, to have somebody from our, because it makes, I think, for younger kids, maybe you've seen this in your high school coaching, to make other kids think,

Whether it's sports or music or whatever it is, hey, I can do that.

I can come from

Brandon Ewing

a small

Todd Alba (host)

town and I can achieve my dreams.

Brandon Ewing

But look at him.

Brady is, he's just kind of the every man.

He's not overly big.

Um, he wasn't the best.

I mean, he was a very good athlete, but he wasn't the best.

But that kid just worked his tail off and that is a testament to others.

That's why Brady is a motivation.

Like Brady is a phenomenal motivational speaker because he means it.

And, and he's got that, that ability to kind of convey what it takes to be successful.

And he's done it at the highest level.

So I always say if Brady had my body,

he might still be playing right now.

But, you know, he just wasn't blessed with that, so.

I love it.

And again, my wife sitting over here, smirking Todd.

Todd Alba (host)

Come on back.

We'll talk more of the Brandon Ewing.

NIL comes to high school sports.

Who's going to get the first deal after this in the Civic Media Radio Network?

Co-host

You can never pretend that I don't love you.

You can never pretend that I'm your man.

It's exactly the way that I want it.

It's exactly the way that I am.

And you call me in the morning.

If you're in

Todd (Host)

Richland Center this weekend, say it around a campfire.

You may hear that song.

If you're in the neighborhood.

By request, our guest this half hour, Brandon Ewing, joining us via StreamYard from the old home town in Richland Center, a high school coach in his own right.

talking a little bit about his big bro Brady Ewing being drafted a few years back as the Wisconsin Badger going to the Atlanta Falcons.

I've said this before, I still cannot get rid of my Atlanta Falcons gift shop emails that come to me all the time because I bought

Co-host

a Falcons

Todd (Host)

hat and shirt and flag.

And I've tried to like, especially after I went to Jacksonville, I'm like, I don't need this.

And they still come to my inbox.

They're very good at marketing down there in Atlanta.

I can tell you that much.

They're great.

Brandon, thanks for being with us off of the YouTube channel.

Terry Barr, very own Terry Barr, by the way, we played her slice of Wisconsin yesterday, kind of setting up the draft.

Great job by Terry, if you haven't heard this, is that right?

Co-host

Another thing with Terry Barr, tonight on Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, in the second hour, for most of the second hour, it's a bar band Friday night.

I pre-recorded it with Terry and Pete yesterday, and it features a 12-year-old singer-songwriter.

And let me tell you, she is amazing.

Really?

Her name is Paige Claibor, and you should definitely listen to Nightlight tonight.

Todd (Host)

Fantastic.

I will.

It's great.

I got Terry Barr.

I got Pete Schwabba tonight from six until eight right here in Civic Media.

Great heads up.

Terry says, this is a terrific conversation with Brandon about hometown, home state pride.

And she says, I'm personally thrilled the way my hometown area, Green Bay, is presenting itself.

Thanks, Terry.

Yeah, talking earlier, Brandon, just what it was like for you and the family.

a few years back to see Brady being drafted in the NFL, and not just your family, but as you said, our hometown and our home area, and just inspiring to think that a kid, whatever your means are from a small town, if you believe and work hard enough, you can achieve your dreams, not just in athletics, but

Brandon Ewing

in anything.

Absolutely.

I mean, it's, again, not to reiterate what we said earlier, but just it is a testament to hard work and perseverance and a little bit of luck.

But I tell you what, Brady really did his best to position himself and prepare himself for those opportunities.

And you hear it every time that he joins your show, just again, that genuine nature, that hard work, that work ethic and that.

you know, will to be great.

He had it.

Todd (Host)

He really does and continues to do that in the hometown and what he does right now.

He'll be back with us here.

I still think we're going to see him on the stage giving the Atlanta pick tonight in the second round of the Green Bay.

We'll see.

Brandon Ewing

Let's change gears, Brandon.

I'm away.

Todd (Host)

Oh, yeah.

Go

Brandon Ewing

ahead.

Okay.

No, I was just going to say, I thought the Packard, I thought Green Bay showed out yesterday.

Oh my gosh.

Yes.

It just the beauty, the, you know, it.

brought me back to what it was for me to feel like that is why I'm a Packer fan.

Yeah.

You know, it's it's family, football, you know, friends.

It's it's just everything and it and it just it was beautiful.

It was wonderful.

It was majestic.

Yes, they did such a good job.

The all theatric

Todd (Host)

and great, great television program.

As you said, a great reality show.

There's a new reality for high school sports, of course.

You've been a long time coach in in Richland Center area, Brandon.

WIAA, Wisconsin Inter Scholastic Athletic Association voted today.

We talked about this with sports director Jimmy Cusco to start the week.

WIAA voted to allow high school student athletes to profit from their name, image and likeness.

As a coach, Mr. Ewing, what do you think?

Brandon Ewing

This is a can of worms.

And you know, I am all for as you know, you look at the college level, like those kids need an opportunity to make they can't work, you know, having conversations with Brady, you know, knowing what it entailed to be a Wisconsin badger, like there was no opportunity for him to go out and

you know, earn any money, additional money.

And he was in a scholarship guy, you know?

So, yeah, to have those guys get the opportunity, I completely understand.

But, you know, the high school level, what does that mean for small town Richland Center, Wisconsin?

You know, if there is an athlete out there that that has potential and, and, you know, maybe has the opportunity to earn some NIL stuff, he's not sticking around Richland Center, Wisconsin.

He's going to go to a private school in a bigger community to where he can grow and earn those opportunities, more opportunities.

So it's great.

I mean, kids should be awarded an opportunity to earn off of themselves.

Honestly, it doesn't bode well for small town sports.

Todd (Host)

Just a couple of minutes left, according to Wisconsin Public Radio, the policies allow high school athletes to sign endorsement deals to make money from promoting products.

Wisconsin's policy restricts athletes from participating in NIL deals associated with a student's school team, school conference, or the WIAA.

Also, they cannot wear their school uniform in any endorsement deal, use the marks or logos of the school, so on and so forth.

So it's gonna be restricted more than college, it sounds like.

But yeah, to your point, Brandon, I guess we're the, Jimmy Cusco told us one of the last eight states in the country that didn't have some form of this.

So it was gonna come whether we liked it or not.

But again, I think it just marks, I don't know.

For me, it's just another turning point that we're entering a new era and I'm not so sure that it's a good one.

Brandon Ewing

Well, and Todd, they're, and I don't have specific names, but there's been specifically on the basketball side of things where we've had some tremendous athletes that have went to, you know, other states, to other schools so that they could capitalize on some NIL stuff.

Yeah.

So at least, you know, we're one of the last, right?

But it may keep some.

you know, athletes here back in state.

So and honestly, from a basketball perspective, which is where you see a lot of this jumping around.

Wisconsin has a rich history of deep, good, wonderful basketball players.

And yeah, we need to keep those athletes here.

Brandon Ewing.

Thank

Todd (Host)

you so very much.

I appreciate my friend.

Well, I might see you around the neighborhood this weekend and have a good weekend.

Heck yeah.

Thanks, Todd.

Thanks, Amherst.

Thank you very much, Brandon Ewing.

Come on back.

Peter Rapine with the Week in Review on the other side of the Civic Media Network.

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Todd (Host)

Oh, yeah.

Welcome back to the show.

Zomers has gone wrong.

It's 25, 35 minutes past the hour of three o'clock on the Hall of Balls show, The Cinex Media & Media Network.

Thank goodness it's Friday, TGIF, dialing up little Senator Kennedy there.

That's a real quote from Senator Kennedy.

He likes

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it's

Todd (Host)

better than sex That's a great way to start off our our next segment every other week We are joined by our ongoing contributor and friend from beautiful Brooklyn, New York He is the managing editor of ebombsworld.com You can find all these stories.

We're gonna talk about today at ebombs world He is Peter Rapine the one the only you know, we love him

Peter, how the heck are you?

Peter Rapine

I'm doing fantastic, Todd.

It's Friday.

It's spring.

We have the door open at the office.

I was playing music on my speaker earlier.

And after this, I'm going to have a cold one in my hand as soon as

Todd (Host)

possible.

You know what you are, Peter, right?

Fine for me.

You're like a spiritual gummy because I always feel better after talking to you.

I feel more chill.

I feel happier.

That's what you are.

Peter Rapine

I appreciate it.

Well, I do say it's we always talk on Friday.

Maybe if we did the show on Tuesday, I'd have a different different vibe.

Todd (Host)

So it's good we catch up with you on Friday.

And

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thank you,

Todd (Host)

by the way, for adjusting your time frame, because now we're later in the afternoon.

So I know that kind of sucks for you.

But thank you for doing

Peter Rapine

it.

No, it's OK.

Well, yeah, what's the deal with that?

Todd (Host)

Just, you know, things get changed.

And so they said, Todd, we're going to put you in

two to four, so here we are.

We're happy

Peter Rapine

to be here,

Todd (Host)

but even happier that you were willing to come along for the ride.

Yes, yes.

Of course.

And

Peter Rapine

honestly, it kind of makes my Friday just that much better, because this is the last thing I'm going to do.

Oh, right.

After this, I'm closing my computer and I'm out.

You're

Todd (Host)

done.

You're done.

I'm done.

I'll be remiss if for those watching on the stream on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twix and the like, Peter is wearing his beloved San Francisco Giants hat.

Peter, your guys beat up on my brewers.

Out in the Bay was not good last night.

Giants five or six Milwaukee five.

The Brewers had a player's only closed door meeting after that loss was.

They

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were not

Todd (Host)

happy.

They

Unknown Commenter

were not happy at all.

Peter Rapine

So I've been hearing.

See, I'm not I don't follow baseball as much as I probably should or are used to.

But I do know that the Buster Posey era is off to a good start.

Todd (Host)

Yes.

Peter Rapine

I'm excited to see.

Yeah.

Todd (Host)

Sadly for the Brewers, the Brewers play tonight against the St.

Louis Cardinals, 640 broadcast time on select stations across civic media.

All right, Peter, we're always happy when you join us.

These are actual headlines from actual wacky, weird human beings.

This is not fiction or made up.

Peter Rapine

It is not.

I like to say we're funny, but we're not this funny.

And this week, I have a couple of exclusives for you guys.

Our first four items are not items you're going to find on the homepage just yet.

So if you're listening, you're actually getting first access to some of my favorite stories of the week.

Todd (Host)

Now, this is real.

And I really, really appreciate this.

Peter controls what goes out on the ebombsworld.com site.

And he has been so kind as to debut these next stories here exclusively on the all ball show and civic media.

I really appreciate this.

This is very cool.

So this is the first place you're going to see this.

So all right, Peter Rapine, first headline.

And they're all incredibly childish.

So which is a great way to end the week.

Some childish headlines.

All right.

Very good.

Peter Rapine

All right.

First one reads, parrot please with with itself after asking its Alexa to fart a parrot.

Todd (Host)

pleased with itself after asking its Alexa to fart.

Do you explain?

Peter Rapine

Well, he's pretty self-explanatory, I would say.

This parrot, obviously, I think we have an audio for it.

Show Producer

Oh, we have audio.

All right.

All

Peter Rapine

right.

but basically the parrot realizes it can tell alexa fart and you can't see it but you can hear it and just know that there is a giant smile on the parrot's face and the parrot bobs its head up and down uh after every fart so here we go here we go here we go

Alexa

that was a triumphant one try asking me for a gassy fart

Unknown Commenter

alexa

Alexa

That was a long and crispy one try asking me to fart 17 times in a row

Unknown Commenter

Alexa art Alexa art

Peter Rapine

Funny cuz the bird kind of sounds like a robot voice itself.

I was gonna say a robotic voice confused which one is which

Todd (Host)

exactly now This is real and the audio the video on this is amazing

I mean, we played the audio portion of it, but the video is absolutely up, because you're right, the parrot is very excited that it has learned how to tell

Unknown Commenter

Alexa how to do this.

Peter Rapine

I know.

It's probably fun for the owner to teach it that for an afternoon,

Unknown Commenter

but

Peter Rapine

then you're like, crap, I either have to get rid of my electric or get rid of this parrot.

This never stops.

Todd (Host)

Right.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Right.

And the fact that Alexa goes, that was a crispy one.

I know.

Peter Rapine

You ever designed that like Alexa model?

Like have a little bit too much fun.

I think

Todd (Host)

we're off to a flying start here, Peter, Peter Ray Pine.

All right.

Next exclusive headline from E-POM's world right here on Civic.

Peter Rapine

All right.

The headline reads, Pastor says we need to be more like bacon and we have no idea what that means.

All right.

Todd (Host)

Pastor says we have to be more like bacon and we have no idea what that means.

This is confusing to me.

Peter Rapine

And this is one of those like very, I don't know what they're actually called, but one of those pastors that just kind of says stuff and they say it in a way that's very hyped.

And

Unknown Speaker

so it

Peter Rapine

sounds like it's, you know, deep knowledge.

She's just playing the video, the audio.

Unknown Speaker

There's

Peter Rapine

nothing I can say to cue this one up.

Here we

Unknown Commenter

go.

You go fry some fish you gonna need some You go fry some vegetables you gonna need some You go fry some bacon you need some No, you don't need no oil when you fry bacon cuz what

What you were meant to be, you produce your own oil and

Show Producer

allow

Unknown Commenter

others

Todd (Host)

to taste

Show Producer

and see that the Lord

Todd (Host)

is

Unknown Commenter

good.

Todd (Host)

You're

Unknown Commenter

going

Todd (Host)

to produce

Peter Rapine

your own oil.

If that

Todd (Host)

woman gave the Easter sermon and she would pack the house.

Peter Rapine

Honestly, I think in another life, I was one of these pastors.

I feel like that's a gift I have.

You're a spiritual animal.

You're a

Todd (Host)

spirit

Peter Rapine

animal.

I'm not sure what that means, but I'm on her side.

Show Producer

I'm on her side too.

Peter Rapine

They don't need oil.

No, when you say something in such a, when you have such conviction, right, it works.

It's beautiful to hear.

Be more like bacon people.

Todd (Host)

Mark and Perzac text into the text line and says, everybody loves bacon.

Right?

They should.

The bacon's beautiful.

All right, Peter Rapine, all of these, not all of these headlines, and you're debuting some of these here exclusively on our show.

We appreciate that.

But after the show, you'll find all of these at ebombsworld.com.

Actual headlines from actual crazy people.

Peter Rapine, next headline.

Peter Rapine

All right, this one is the short one, and this comes to us from an event called The Gathering of the Juggalos.

Juggalos.

If you know what a juggalo is,

You don't need me to say anything.

If you don't know what a Juggalo is, there's nothing I can say to help you understand.

They are the fans and at one point we're labeled a gang.

They are the fans of the Insane Clown Posse and they have a gathering every year where the great most interesting people gather for a weekend of music and partying.

And one woman brought a special item with her to the gathering and the headline reads, woman shows off replica of her husband's penis that's also an urn filled with his ashes.

Todd (Host)

A woman at this gathering shows off a replica of her husband's penis that's also an urn filled with his ashes.

Show Producer

And we have audio.

We have actual

Juggalo Woman

replication of my husband's penis.

with his ashes that I have slowly been spreading around the gathering and uh, goes here.

Peter Rapine

This video is magical.

And she's sitting there and she's holding it in her left hand.

And it's clearly see-through.

So you can see that there's like about half of the ashes left.

And I like to imagine that she poked a hole in the tip and is just kind of walking around.

Blessing

Todd (Host)

people.

This

Peter Rapine

brings up a lot of

Todd (Host)

questions, which I'm not sure we can discuss in afternoon radio.

But I mean, A, why is someone spreading around their partner's ashes on other people?

That seems odd.

And if you're going to, why would you put your husband's ashes in an urn that shaped?

She claims like his penis.

What?

Was there a mold made before he passed away?

I don't know.

Peter Rapine

Well, all I can say is I hope my wife does this for me after I got real.

That's how you

Todd (Host)

want to

Peter Rapine

go.

That's how you want to be into before being remembered.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

There are worse ways.

Todd (Host)

Absolutely.

There are worse ways.

All

Peter Rapine

right.

Peter Rapine.

Next headline.

Next headline, Shaq almost definitely crapped his pants on live TV.

Todd (Host)

Shaq almost definitely crapped himself on live TV.

This is real.

This is real.

I've seen this a couple other places.

And look, we've all been there where you really got to go.

But not all of us have been on national television.

Peter Rapine

No, so Shaq is obviously

Hall of Fame basketball player.

He's one of the hosts of Inside the NBA.

And the following episode, to this episode, the crew pranked him by bringing in a porta-potty and putting it next to his seat on stage.

We have some audio of Shaq running off set during the show to go use the bathroom.

Shaquille O'Neal

Here we go.

The other thing about Kawhi is, you know, without... You all right, Big Phil?

Yeah, I'm gonna catch it a cramp.

Go ahead.

Keep talking, Jack.

Yeah, we on TV.

I know what we're doing.

Go ahead.

Yeah, that's that olive oil you've been drinking.

I know.

Hey, take some matches with you.

Charles Barkley.

Listen, he couldn't hold it.

At the 40, he can't hold it no more.

That's the first.

He can't hold it unless he's got something in it.

Todd (Host)

That wasn't something planned, was it?

No.

And the fact that TNT follows him with the camera into the bathroom door closing.

Peter Rapine

There's a reason that show has been awarded like the best talk sports show like seven or eight years.

Oh, yeah They're not only the best anchors, but you know they stuff like this happens and then you can hear in Shaq's voice.

He's trembling And I guess maybe he has been drinking olive oil which Chuck clearly is like he's all that olive

Show Producer

oil You've been drinking Shaq.

I know

Todd (Host)

Charles

Show Producer

Barkley

Todd (Host)

is is a gift to television.

That's all I can say

He's phenomenal, whether it's TNT for for NBA or whether when they they cross do the TNT and also CBS for college sports March Madness I Watched this stuff half of it just for Charles Barkley and and Ernie Johnson is a great foil who originally from Wisconsin by the way Did you know that?

Ernie Johnson's a Wisconsinite.

All right about two minutes left Peter A pie before the break one minute left story.

Uh, thank you Zombers.

Can we get a quick one in here?

Peter Rapine

Yes, Australian Airport begs passengers to stop showing up drunk.

Australian Airport begs

Todd (Host)

passengers to stop showing up drunk.

Is this audio or no?

Oh,

Show Producer

there is some audio.

Oh, really?

All right, very good.

Let's play it.

Here we go.

Australian Reporter

So many people are rocking up to Darwin Airport's face that the Australian federal police are literally getting involved.

Unknown Speaker

I went to China once and the guy, we got into China.

And then he got taken away into a separate room because he fell off the plane.

Australian Reporter

What?

Unknown Speaker

Yep.

As long as you can walk properly and you don't be in front of other people, that's not too bad.

It's probably some of the younger people out there that present it in this way.

And we just ask them to not act in that.

The

Australian Reporter

issue is, so many of the flights leave really late at night in Darwin, so people are rolling straight from the club to the airport.

Unknown Commenter

It's not proper, because it's not comfortable for the rest of the passengers, because they might cost the club.

All right,

Todd (Host)

well, we're up against the clock here, but I'll see you.

I agree with that one person that said, late flights, people come from the clubs, get on the plane.

Come on, Australians, still we're up, mate.

Back after this on Civic Media.

Todd (host)

Welcome back to the Tunnelball show of the Civic Media Radio Network.

It is eight before the hour of four o'clock at the top of the hour.

CBS and ABC News, depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to, a weather update, our great sports reporter, Mr. Mike Clemens, live on location at Lambeau Field as the NFL draft continues.

Going to tell you about the Packers next.

Pick all the great excitement up there in Green Bay.

Then there'll be the Maggie Dawn Show from four until six and then our

friend Pete Schwabba and Zommerer says a great show coming up tonight on Night Light with Pete Schwabba and Terry Barr is on that show as well.

You don't want to miss it from six until eight.

Right now, every other week, we are joined by our friend Peter Rapine, managing editor at epombsworld.com.

You can find all these headlines we're talking about at epombsworld.com.

Peter, quickly, I heard you were on a little vacation.

Do we want to talk about that or?

Uh,

Peter Rapine (guest)

yeah.

Um, yes.

So I was just in Vancouver this last.

Vancouver.

Todd (host)

All

Peter Rapine (guest)

right.

Um, I met a girl.

Uh, remember I was in Mexico a couple months ago.

Yes.

I met a girl and I was in Mexico.

Todd (host)

Yeah.

Peter Rapine (guest)

Peter, Peter, Ray,

Todd (host)

is the Don Juan of Yvonne

Peter Rapine (guest)

as well, but go ahead.

Well, Chris has been saying this saying I'm, I'm living in a romcom now.

Uh,

Just because the way that we met was so funny and so weird, I feel like I have to tell you.

I haven't told you yet.

So it was my second day in Mexico.

I'm on the beach.

And I'm not the type of guy that hits on strangers in public.

I don't just walk up to someone and go, hi.

That's not me.

It's not my game.

but the second day on the beach in Mexico and I felt compelled.

I was in the water and I saw someone who I was like, oh crap.

Like if I don't say something, I'm going to think about it all week.

I'm going to write.

So I'm on vacation with my friends.

I'm acting in the moment.

I'm like, okay.

Shoot my shot.

And I don't know what I said.

I said something dumb.

I was like, God, this is really great, isn't it?

And like one of them was trying to body surf and it wasn't the best beach for body surfing.

So I said, not the best beach for body surfing, huh?

And they both kind of look at me like, okay, weirdo, like stranger, like get away from us.

And they both swam away.

And I'm thinking, okay, whatever.

You know, I go back to my buddies and I'm like, I said something, but maybe they were shy.

Two days go by I've completely forgotten about it and me and my two friends are going out to dinner One of them have already eaten and so he kind of peels off and he's like hey, man I saw some girls I saw the backs of two girls with a bar smoking cigarettes.

Let me get a cigarette I'm gonna go up and you know ask for a lighter and you guys go and eat and in an hour when you're done Hopefully come and find me and I'll be you know at a bar with you know two girls And I think okay, whatever think nothing of it a couple hours go by

We go meet my friend at this bar and lo and behold, he's sitting next to these two girls that I shouted at in the water the day before.

Todd (host)

Get

Peter Rapine (guest)

out.

And my first thought is, holy crap, I hope they don't recognize me.

Right?

Okay.

But no, we end up hanging out.

We get along really well about like an hour or so in, you know, I like, hey, I don't know if you guys

remember, but there was a guy who was trying to talk to you in the water the other day.

And I was like, that was me.

And they both start full on belly laughing heads on the bar.

They laugh.

I'm not kidding, Todd, for like two minutes uninterrupted.

I'm just kind of, I'm just kind of sitting here like, Oh, is this good?

Is this bad?

Is our night going to end really soon?

And, and they pull their heads up and they look at me and they go,

Oh my God, we've been talking about that guy.

We thought either he's really nice and maybe we should have said something or we thought maybe he was like a little autistic and his caretaker had gotten lost.

No way.

No way.

And I responded with, honestly, it's a little bit of

Todd (host)

both.

Why would a girl like a nice guy like you?

Peter Rapine (guest)

Well, it turns out she did so we really hit it off and that's who I visited in Vancouver last weekend Wait, I'm gonna she came to visit me.

She's coming again in a couple weeks.

Yeah, she's

Todd (host)

Canadian.

Peter Rapine (guest)

She's Canadian

Todd (host)

and now

See this is a great way.

This is a

Peter Rapine (guest)

great story

Todd (host)

It's a great story because see if you you know if you if you just sometimes as you say shoot your shot Sometimes you're gonna get down shot down, but other it may end up like now.

You're is this a relationship yet Peter

Peter Rapine (guest)

it

Todd (host)

is It is a

Peter Rapine (guest)

relationship.

Oh,

Todd (host)

so you've been to Vancouver.

She's been to Brooklyn

Peter Rapine (guest)

Yeah, she's coming in a week, and then she goes to Europe, and I'm going to go meet her in Europe.

That's why

Todd (host)

you look so chill this week.

That's why you're smiling more than usual.

I'm very happy

Peter Rapine (guest)

for you.

I'm very happy for

Todd (host)

you.

That's great.

Peter Rapine (guest)

All right.

What do

Todd (host)

we have?

We have like a minute and a half left.

We wanted to end on one big one here.

Do we have time for two quick ones?

What do you want to do?

Headlines from Epom's world.

Peter Rapine (guest)

Alright, I'll read off a couple headlines.

Delta passengers forced to hold up plane ceiling mid-flight.

Todd (host)

Delta passengers forced to hold up plane ceiling mid-flight, and this is not the one that flipped over, I assume.

Peter Rapine (guest)

No, it's like the ceiling under the cargo where you put your bags is falling, and a bunch of people just have to hold it above their heads.

Otherwise, it's going to crush them.

Todd (host)

During the flight?

Peter Rapine (guest)

During the flight.

SPEAKER_??

Wow.

Peter Rapine (guest)

Which is bad.

Hairline's not doing so well right now.

No.

All right.

A man on TikTok or Instagram was arrested for cleaning his elderly neighbor's yard for free.

What?

Long story short, a woman had an overgrown yard and a guy who, you know, cleans yards for free and posted about it, decided to go and, you know, offer her this free service.

While he was cleaning it, local police stopped him because technically her yard is too big to

And there were some stipulations about how she had to hire government contractors to do the job, and she didn't want to hire someone to do the job.

So he came to do it for free, and they said, you couldn't do it.

They kicked him out the first time he came, and then he came back to finish it, and they arrested him.

Todd (host)

Where

Peter Rapine (guest)

is this at?

Do we know?

Let me double check.

Good

Todd (host)

gosh.

A good Samaritan tries to help a woman clean up her yard and gets arrested?

Yeah.

Peter Rapine (guest)

See,

Todd (host)

this is what's wrong with America today, or at least wherever this happened at.

Well, we'll figure it out.

People can go to Epom's World

Peter Rapine (guest)

to

Todd (host)

find out.

There is the teaser.

Go ahead and look up the headline.

Peter Rapine, you always make us feel better.

Thanks for hanging out with us.

Have a great weekend, my friend.

Thanks, Todd.

Always a pleasure.

Peter Rape by Enough E-Palms World.

Thank you, Zomers.

Thank you, Matt Flynn, Brandon Yewing, everybody else.

Stay tuned.

Maggie Dawn is next.

Whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

We'll see you on Monday.

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Todd Alba

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Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm title ball on location here at Governor Nelson State Park on the North shores of Lake Mendoza in beautiful Dane County.

It is Tuesday, April 22nd.

It is.

Earth Day, and it is a great day to be a Wisconsinite.

Hello, everybody.

It is now six past the hour of one o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big program.

Mr. Zommer is our producer and engineer back across the lake, actually, in downtown Madison at Civic Media World headquarters.

Zommer is I'm not sure if you talked to Brittany Merleau or who at the Weather Department, but thank goodness the sun has come out here at Governor Nelson State Park.

It is a beautiful day here for Earth Day.

Mr. Zommer

Yeah, I called up Brittany and asked her to, you know, just turn up the dial a little bit and bring out the sun.

And she did, I think.

Todd Alba

Well, it was a great hour in our first hour.

We appreciate Mike Ring, the park manager here at Governor Nelson State Park, Drew Howich, who is the president of the Friends Group here at Governor Nelson State Park, and also former Republican State Senator Rob Coles and former Democratic State Senator Pat Crightlow, all for being here to celebrate in this

bipartisan fashion, a part of what makes Wisconsin great.

Have another second great hour on tap as well.

We are joined again here at the desk by just someone who's become a friend and I admire her.

She has been a mentor because

I'm just gonna say this from a personal standpoint, Tia Nelson, daughter of former Wisconsin governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson, but in your own right, you've been a leader as a secretary overseeing the Land Trust here in the state of Wisconsin.

You've done a number of things, filmed thropically for this state and as a leader.

And Tia Nelson, I appreciate you being here because whether you knew it or not,

There were a lot of us in staffers in the state legislature who looked up to you in your time there and said, you know what, you could be tough and passionate without being a jerk, and you could reach across the aisle and work with people you might not always agree with to achieve something.

And I think that is a lesson that so many people in politics on both sides of the aisle need to take

adhere to and learn from because you achieve so much of your time.

I just want to thank you for being that type of

Tia Nelson

person.

That's really sweet of you, Todd.

Well, that's probably one of the best lessons I learned from my father when he served in the state Senate prior to being elected governor.

He was a minority leader of four other Democrats.

That's a body of 33 senators.

And Melvin Layard, who later became Secretary of Defense under President Richard Nixon, was the majority leader.

And they were close friends, and they argued all the time about ideas, but they both showed up for work as dedicated public servants.

And they collaborated in really critical...

ways to make Wisconsin a great state for all of the citizens.

And so that's a really big gift that my father gave me.

And God knows that I needed some of those special skills during some of those days in the legislature.

Todd Alba

Absolutely true.

Also a pleasure to be joined this hour at the desk here on location at Governor Nelson State Park by James Edward Mills, who is a freelance journalist, also a fellow of the Nelson Institute there.

James, thank you very much for being here.

We appreciate you and welcome to the show.

James Edward Mills

Thanks a lot for having me.

It is a beautiful day.

Happy Earth Day.

Todd Alba

Happy Earth Day to you.

It's marvelous for Davia here.

Tell us a little bit about, I know that you and Tia are going to be on campus tonight at the University of Wisconsin.

Madison for EarthFest.

Tell us a little bit about what brought you two together.

James Edward Mills

Yes, well Tia and I have been acquainted and have been friends for a long time.

I am a freelance journalist and independent media producer and I have a focus on focusing on issues of out-to-recreation and environmental conservation with the further specialty in community engagement and social impact as it pertains to how we get more people of different

walks of life into the outdoors.

And the film that we're going to be screening and discussing tonight is called Planet Walker.

And it is the story of Dr. John Francis, who in 1971 witnessed a catastrophic oil spill on the San Francisco Bay.

He was so ins—well,

Inspired is perhaps the wrong word.

He was appalled by this assault on the environment so much so that he decided that he was going to no longer ride in automobiles.

And after having done that for a while, he realized that he was also not making much headway in this issue by arguing about it.

So he decided to take a vow of silence.

And for almost 17 years.

He did not utter a word or write in an automobile Wow, and as it happens he actually walked from the from San Francisco to Oregon where he got his undergraduate degree in environmental studies then walked from Oregon to the University of Wisconsin Madison here in in Wisconsin to Get his PhD in environmental studies

And he then went out to... The

Tia Nelson

only person to ever get a PhD from the University of Wisconsin without ever speaking.

James Edward Mills

Exactly.

And he's not even fluent in American Sign Language.

So he literally defended his doctoral thesis through Panama.

Wow.

And in the course of that, he went on to walk to Annapolis, Maryland, where he became a...

an expert on the management of oil spells for the US Navy.

And then ultimately became a good will ambassador for the United Nations.

And he broke his vow of silence in 2001 on Earth Day.

And his first words were, thanks for being here.

Wow.

Todd Alba

Amazing.

James Edward Mills

Yeah, and so John and I have actually been good friends for a little while now.

He and I became acquainted.

He actually gave one of the very first ever Ted Talks.

Oh, really?

Yes.

That's fascinating.

In fact, he was in the very first round of Ted Fellows when they

Decided that having people talk about their life experiences would be a Great way to engage audiences and his story in particular was very compelling for not having spoken for so long Yeah, but I think perhaps more than anything else his story is really profound in that he has been able to Impact the environmental movement by encouraging people to listen to one another if you take the time to spend time with John he will

embarrass you by how carefully he listens to what you have to say and not having spoken for so long is really good training for that and I think that his primary message when he engages with audiences all over the country and around the world that it's really important that we listen to one another and we share our love and passion for the environment by listening to what other people want and need from that environment and it's by

hoping that we will ultimately treat each other a little bit better through kindness.

That we can ultimately make the world a better place for everyone.

Todd Alba

And don't need more of that in today's world.

So the film is tonight on campus seven o'clock.

Is that

James Edward Mills

what it is?

Yeah.

And people are

Todd Alba

still able to come and enjoy that if they

James Edward Mills

want the Madison area.

It's registration is free.

Just go to

I believe it is Nelson Institute.

I'm not even sure what the website

Tia Nelson

is.

Oh, yeah.

James Edward Mills

If you Google Earth Fest, University of

Tia Nelson

Wisconsin Earth Fest, it'll be there at seven o'clock tonight.

The film is about 30 minutes.

And then James and I are going to be in conversation with John Francis after the film to talk to him a little bit about his experience.

He's an amazing guy.

It's an amazing story.

and his message of kindness and listening, I think, is more important than ever today.

Todd Alba

Yeah.

And certainly, as we're speaking with James Edward Mills, a freelance journalist and a fellow of the Nelson Institute, and Tia Nelson, daughter of former Wisconsin governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson here on Earth Day.

Tia, about four minutes left here before I have to go to break, but I know you talked a little bit about this last year, but people that might not have joined us then.

We hear a lot about Earth Day in the news on this day and leading up to it.

But tell us how this started with your dad and just his inception of this.

And I just think it's fascinating, again, how one person could have an idea.

And here we are 50 years later, still celebrating.

Tia Nelson

Yeah, that is, for me, the most resonant, the coolest sort of gift of reflecting on the Earth Day history is the idea that individual action matters, that you don't always know the outcome of your actions.

In my father's case, he grew up in a small town in northern Wisconsin, Polk County, the town of Clear Lake, and nature was his playground.

deeply influenced his values and who he grew up to be and so when he was governor he launched the program that preceded the Knowles Nelson Stewardship Fund which we were talking about in the first hour of your program and it was wildly successful

And he made them very popular and he was subsequently elected to the United States Senate, went to Washington DC and found that not many people seemed to care.

And he tried a variety of methods to persuade people to care more about the environment, clean air, clean water, land conservation, what the future relationship of the human species with the rest of the earth would look like to be more sustainable.

And it just fell

from his perspective, it very much fell on deaf ears.

So he flew out to an oil spill to inspect what was the largest oil spill in American history at the time off the coast of Santa Barbara.

And he was reading a magazine on the airplane and the way back from that.

It was talking about how teachings on college campuses changed the narrative about the morality of the Vietnam War.

And he had an aha moment, which was I'm going to call for a teach-in on the environment.

He gave a speech in the fall of 1969.

asking teachers to set aside a day to teach on the environment.

Such a simple idea, think of that.

You know, it's just set aside a day and talk about, this is I think really the genius of Earth Day, you might say.

He didn't prescribe what issues people should be talking about.

He invited people in their communities to talk about, do, act, engage in whatever manner felt meaningful.

to them.

And as I mentioned in the first part of your show, it was successful beyond its wildest dreams.

This concept of teaching became Earth Day.

Earth Day became a recurring event today is the 55th anniversary, which would, you know, be really

a surprise and delight to my father.

Todd Alba

Well, I always remember the, you know, because I have to be 55.

So it's just my age.

Tia Nelson

So that's

Todd Alba

an easy one to remember.

Although I don't like to always remember

James Edward Mills

my age,

Todd Alba

but Earth Day is fantastic.

We're going to come back, talk more with Tia and James, also at the 125th anniversary of our national park system and the history there.

Don't go to where we're live on location and Governor Nelson State Park is the towel ball show for Tuesday Earth Day on the Civic Media.

Ready to

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work.

Louis Armstrong

I see trees of green Red roses too I see them bloom For me and you And I think to myself What a wonderful world

Host

Welcome back to the Tunnelball show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Satchamo, Louis Armstrong there.

What a wonderful world.

It is a wonderful world, a wonderful day.

Earth Day 2025, the 55th anniversary thereof.

We are live on location at Governor Nelson State Park on the north shores of Lake Mendota here in beautiful Dane County, the north side of Madison.

So glad to have you along.

Hopefully you're having a wonderful Tuesday as well.

Here at the desk with us is Tia Nelson, daughter of

former Wisconsin governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson.

who founded Earth Day and for whom this state park is named.

Also at the desk here on location, James Edward Mills, who is a freelance journalist and fellow of Nelson Institute.

And guys have to share a shout out to my colleague and friend, like Jane McNair of McNair on Air, because last year we were out here and I made the full paw because I just, it was quick and easy.

I had a plastic water bottle with me.

And Jane said, how can you have a plastic water?

bottle on ice and I know I know so she in her kindness and her pity bought me this wonderful yeti reusable and so now we've traveled all over the state together and so and so thank you Jane I'm I'm earth day proper this year thanks to you with my reusable yeti we're all we all have proper you know but I think to you that's again

You said at last segment that your dad, when he started this 35 years ago, just had this idea, hey, take one day and talk to the kids in your classrooms about Earth Day, but it's just snowballed into this awareness.

And I'm not sure if I talked about this last year or not.

I've had the honor and pleasure of visiting El Salvador to become kind of my second home from a college buddy that I've been there 39 times over 25 plus years.

And what's interesting about it is there's a great beach called Costa del Sol, and it's on the Pacific Ocean.

I love going there.

I loved it because it was underdeveloped, undeveloped when I first started going.

Been more construction.

But anyway, walking along that beach in those years in the 90s when I was there, you saw a little bit of trash, but not a lot.

The last time I was there in 2019, the amount of plastic straws.

and bottles and all the crap washing up onto the shores was just sad.

And it makes you, it makes a person like me think from Southwest Wisconsin, wow, a guy that grew up in rural Wisconsin.

ends up living a dream, in my opinion, realizing his dreams of being a U.S.

senator and then a governor and had an idea, and he is bringing awareness and making people do each of our little parts in reusable containers.

Anything, well, what does that do?

Well, everything together, Tia, adds up to a bigger thing.

Tia Nelson

Reducing single-use plastic is a good entry point for individual action for all of us, and even those plastic containers, probably the water bottle you had last year, congratulations on switching to

Host

a

Tia Nelson

reusable

Host

bottle.

Tia Nelson

I'm proud that all three of us bought our own reusable bottles here.

Even very little of that,

is actually being recycled, even if you're putting it in the proper recycling container.

There's so many other individual actions, you know, and it's easy to wonder whether they make a difference.

would put forward the philosophy that it makes a difference for two reasons.

One, cumulatively, it does have an impact on the environment, the amount of pollution you're seeing on the beach and El Salvador.

But it's important that we get up in the morning and that we live our values.

And it's a part of how I, you know, guide my life day to day.

My big challenge, I

pretty good at avoiding single-use plastic.

My big challenge, and it's an interesting one, and it's one that has the potential to save people a lot of money, is reducing food waste.

If food waste were a country, it would be the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the world after the United States and China.

So, and I liked garden and I compost my food scraps, but there's something all of us can do to tread more lightly on this earth and it matters.

Host

When I get to the phones, we have Dick standing by in Madison listening on WMDX 855-752-4842.

If you'd like to join us with a question on Earth Day or a remembrance of Governor Nelson or of Earth Day, 855-752-4842.

You can also text us on the Civic Media app.

Dick in Madison, Dick, thanks for calling in.

What do you have to say, Dick?

Dick from Madison (caller)

I had a pleasure of meeting your father at his book signing at Borders Books.

And my daughter was in fifth grade at the time, got the book for her.

And it was an interesting night because my old neighbor happened to be in line.

And it turned out that his father had went to school with your dad.

Oh, nice.

That whole day.

And I'm like, wow, this is just too strange.

Art and I were both.

And he also knew the origins of my daughter's name is Mora.

And he knew more about it than I did.

Yeah, that sounds like that.

Host

Yep.

Thanks, Dick, I appreciate it.

I appreciate you calling in and sharing that.

You know, that has to be cool for you.

There are stories like this all over Wisconsin, people who knew your dad in one capacity or another, but again, the generational impact that he made.

Tia Nelson

Yes, you know, it's quite, I feel quite fortunate.

I feel very blessed actually.

You know, he was a really good guy.

He wasn't just a dedicated public servant and a strong leader and someone who accomplished a lot in the public world that's recognized.

He was hysterically funny.

And so kind.

humble so I'm really lucky and you know to this day people stop me and tell me some you know fond story or memory either they had or maybe they heard it from their grandfather.

I still get stuff in the mail.

Someone's cleaning out their parents' house after their parents have passed away and they find pictures that their parents have saved or letters or correspondence with my daddy.

He was quite a letter writer and they sent him to me.

It's very, very touching.

I'm enormously

Host

grateful.

a wonderful man, a wonderful public servant, former governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson.

Coming up on a break here, give you a little tease.

When we come back, James is going to give us a history lesson and something that I did not know a lot about.

And I think this is an untold story, the history of black Americans and how they helped literally build the U.S.

National Park System.

Talk about that.

Take your phone calls as well, 855-752-4842 and your texts on the civic media

app.

We are live on location of Governor Nelson State Park on this Earth Day 2025 across the civic media radio network.

forever if they lead and having fun doing it welcome back the title of all show on the Civic Media Running Network we are on location for this Earth Day 2025 the 55th anniversary of Earth Day we are in Governor Nelson State Park where it's turned out to be an absolutely picture perfect day

clouds are party.

The sun is here.

Lake Mendota lapping up against the shores.

There are no swimmers yet, but the the beach is almost ready to go.

We are live here on location with Tia Nelson.

She is the daughter of former Wisconsin governor and U. S. Senator Gaylord Nelson for whom this park is named and also join us at the desk on location.

James Edward Mills, a freelance journalist and also a fellow of the Nelson Institute.

They will be appearing on the University

on some Madison campus tonight at seven o'clock.

You can find out more at earthfest.wisc.edu.

That's earth.

fest.wisc.edu.

Thank you, Mr. Zamers, for finding that and putting it up on the stream yard there for people watching this on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Twix, X, whatever you want to call it.

And also, we'll have that on the on the show notes as well.

If you want to join us, call in, give us a call.

We'd love to hear your Earth Day thought remembrances of either Governor Nelson or of Earth Day

proper 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

And you can also text us on the Civic Media app.

If you don't have it, it's easy enough.

Go to your app store on your Apple or Android device.

Type in Civic CIVIC Media.

It'll pop up.

Click on that.

It'll take less than a minute to download.

It is free.

As we say, it's what CBS's Gale King calls.

A deal the civic media app download it today.

Well, she doesn't say no.

She says that about the CBS morning app.

So I assume she'd say about ours as well.

That's why that's why I say that.

Um, guys, I appreciate you both so much being here.

Tia, you joined us from Seattle last year.

It's so cool to have you here in person.

I know it means a lot to you this park, but it really means a lot to me because earlier I said

As a kid that grew up with a single mom most of my life and my sister, we spent time here as kids because it was something that my mom could do for, you know, the price of gas to get us here from Richland Center, but the park sticker, I forget what it was in the 90s, but I mean, still it's 28 bucks for the year now.

right?

And again, your father's legacy and this park system, it is something that is accessible.

It doesn't, I shouldn't say it doesn't matter, but it's open to almost every one of all social, economic, racial classes in Wisconsin.

It's for all of us in Wisconsin.

Tia Nelson (daughter of Gaylord Nelson)

Well, having access to the outdoors is part of who we are.

And as Wisconsinites, over 90% of the citizens of this state live within one mile of a stewardship-acquired property.

This particular park is one of the few urban parks in the state park system.

Here we are.

We can see the capital across Lake Mendota from here.

And it's a regular destination for me.

And a beautiful example of prairie restoration.

There's an old oak prairie ecosystem, one of my favorites.

And it's right in the back door of the city, given all kinds of opportunities, whether it's the trails or the boat launch or the beach we're sitting here by.

for the picnic tables we're sitting at.

So there's something for everybody.

And I'm really proud of it.

Host

And you should be.

James, I want to talk a little bit about your expertise here, which is our national park system coming up at 125 years next year.

We're at 124, but I'm always a little bit ahead, it seems like, except when I show up for places, I'm late.

But on history, I'm not trying to be ahead.

And I'm a huge, I love the Ken Burns series on our national parks.

Republican, one of the former Republican presidents I'm proud of is Teddy Roosevelt, who helped to establish and grow the state, the national park system rather.

But tell us a little bit about the park's anniversary coming up at large, 125 years.

But then this is a unique story to me.

the folks that built the park system, there's a whole story here of black Americans who are integral in making sure that we have the system we have today.

James Edward Mills (journalist and fellow at the Nelson Institute)

So I started my career now to recreation, primarily as a sales representative and very early on I realized that there was very few people

that looked like me.

There weren't very many African-Americans, people of color who were engaged and involved in this and why I became a journalist.

In 2009, I had the honor of actually interviewing Ken Burns in advance.

Did you

Host

really?

Wow.

James Edward Mills (journalist and fellow at the Nelson Institute)

And I'd written several stories prior to this conversation about the role of people of color in the preservation of public land.

And I asked him,

Point blank, how are you going to tell the story of people of color and the role that we played in creating these amazing places?

In this interview, he tells me the story of 400 African American men, members of the US Cavalry called the Buffalo Soldiers that were...

stationed in Yosemite and Sequoia National Parks in 1903.

Now, I grew up in California.

I was a rock climbing instructor and a wilderness guide in the Sierras.

I'd been to Yosemite many times.

In fact, my parents, honeymoon in Yosemite.

And I'm hearing this story for the very first time.

Now, here I am in my late 40s.

And I'm thinking that if I hadn't heard this story before, that means that probably millions of people have never heard this story either.

And so I started...

doing a lot more digging into the history of our national parks and when you take a look at the long arc.

you know, of how it is that we, you know, got to where we are right now, you know, shortly after the American Civil War, during the Reconstruction Era, you had the first seven African-American members of the U.S.

House of Representatives.

Seven black men, primarily from the South, were part of the U.S.

Congress between 1870 and 1871, and it was during this Congress that the Yellowstone Act.

was created that dedicated land for the, quote, for the enjoyment and benefit of the people.

And seven black men had the opportunity to vote on that.

And from that, through the expansion of the West,

African-Americans were engaged in protecting and patrolling the newly designated park at Yellowstone from Fort Missoula, Montana.

And it was at this time that we have the first designation of public land as a federal institution.

Shortly after that Yosemite becomes a national park.

If you go on through the annals of history, you can take a look at the fact that W.E.B.

Du Bois in 1920 visited Grand Canyon.

in a trip that was sponsored by the NAACP.

And he said that, why do not those who are hurt by the world's hardship and made to suffer in the world's wars and battles come to these places and drown themselves in the utter joy of life?

And we have this very beginning of the conversation around how we can

start protecting and preserving our national parks.

And in the 18, I'm sorry, the 1930s, during the Depression, during the time of the Civilian Conservation Corps, a unit called Unit 818, so the Civilian Conservation Corps was an integrated but primarily African-American unit that built many of the trails leading down into Kaibab and the...

um bright angel trail as well as the areas around phantom ranch you know and so when we stop and think about how it is that we have so much public land people of color were actually engaged and involved in much of the earliest development but sadly it was you know during the administration of

Woodrow Wilson, where we have the first Southern Democrat elected to the U.S.

presidency since Lincoln.

And he brought in much of the Jim Crow segregation in the South into the federal government.

And he succeeded in segregating the U.S.

Army shortly after the onset of World War I, segregated the U.S.

Postal Service and the newly designated National Park Service in 1916.

Wow.

Okay, so the same men who had protected and patrolled Yosemite in 1903 went on to serve with the Harlem Hellfighters in World War I couldn't come back to civilian life to become national park rangers.

And that would be true until 1953.

Shortly after, well, not shortly actually, a little bit after the end of World War II, Eleanor Roosevelt with Mary McLeod Bethune and the Black

the Black Council under FDR, and then Harry Truman desegregated our national parks, and it wasn't until 1963 that you had the active recruitment of national park rangers who are people of color, a man by the name of Bob Stanton, 83 years old today, but he was the very first national park ranger recruited to patrol the park at Grand Teton National Park, not far from Yellowstone.

And he went on to become the very first superintendent of a national park since the great Captain Charles Young was the superintendent of Sequoia National Park in 1903.

And then finally in 1979 under the auspices of Bill Clinton, he became the first black director of the National Park Service.

And so we have this.

Wonderful story of exploration and conservation, but also adventure.

Shortly after the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1963, Ebony Magazine profiled a climber by the name of Charles Madison Crenshaw.

in seven days after the signing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, he became the first black American to summit Denali National Park in Alaska.

And it was then called Mount McKinley and then it was named Denali under the aegis of...

of Barack Obama in 2016.

So we have a really long heritage that continues to this day.

And I'm really happy to be able to share these stories with folks here in Wisconsin.

I teach a class on much of what I shared with you at the Nelson Institute called Outdoors for All, where we have a lengthy conversation about the long historic narrative of the roles that so many people have played in

natural resources that are frankly all of ours to enjoy.

Host

We are speaking right now with James Edward Mills and a journalist freelance journalist and fellow at the Nelson Institute and Tia Nelson daughter of former Wisconsin governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson here on Earth Day.

We were at Governor Nelson State Park.

James, I'm just mesmerized listening to that history and the fact you just have it all in your head.

Any history like that I just I'm envious of.

But again, and not to get too deep into current day politics, but

I don't know that in my lifetime those stories need to be told more than now.

the now because we're seeing you know the current administration wiping away history particularly history of people of color in this country and these stories need to be told over and over and over again to current generations because I just think we're richer for it when we realize that you know I don't want to quote Joe Biden too much but I mean we do we have come up short in American history right we have left people behind but you realize that this country may be more than any other the melting pot and the rich history we are

better because of our differences.

James Edward Mills (journalist and fellow at the Nelson Institute)

Absolutely.

And it's really fascinating to me because much of the history that I just shared with you, I only learned a couple of years ago.

I didn't grow up with this.

I certainly wasn't taught it in school.

I don't read it in books.

It's not part of our popular culture.

But the evidence is all around us that we take the time to look.

When we stop and think about, for example, the Lewis and Clark expedition included a enslaved man by the name of York.

who as a person of color was able to make direct relationships with native people.

And there are many people who suggest that had it not been for him, these white guys from Virginia never would have made it out of Iowa.

Host

I believe

James Edward Mills (journalist and fellow at the Nelson Institute)

that.

And so it is that part of the narrative.

But when the expedition was over, York was remanded back into slavery and was not given his just due.

And it's really not until later in history that we have the opportunity to acknowledge the contributions that someone like him made.

And it just so happens that, and I looked this up very recently,

under the Clinton administration again, York was actually posthumously given the rank of sergeant.

You know, as a military expedition, he was the one person who wasn't active military at the time, though he had many of the same responsibilities.

Ironically, the same thing was actually issued to Harriet Tubman.

Just last year, the Maryland National Guard posthumously gave her the rank of one star general.

for having been the very first woman to execute a military operation in a time of war.

She led the Cumbie River Raid in South Carolina, where she personally liberated 700 enslaved people.

Host

Fascinating.

We'll come back, talk more about this with James Edward Mills and Tia Nelson.

Your phone calls, stay with us.

We see you on the lines.

We'll get to those after this.

It's the All Ball Show on Location Earth Day from Governor Nelson State Park.

You're listening to Cross The Civic Media.

Ready to

Tia Nelson (daughter of Gaylord Nelson)

work.

Todd Alba (Host)

Welcome back to the Taliban show on the Civic Media already network.

Glad to have you along with us here live on location from Governor Nelson State Park at about nine minutes before the hour of two o'clock.

We are here for Earth Day coming up to the top of the hour.

CBS or ABC News, depending upon which of our great stations across the state you're listening to a weather update.

I'll give you the weather update.

It's nice here, at least here in the in the shores of Lake Vendone.

The sun is out.

turning into a beautiful day.

And then our great sports reporter Mike Clemens talking about the draft of course, which is underway this week on Thursday and Friday will have reports from Mike and.

Other folks as well on the draft and then the Maggie Dawn show every afternoon or at least for today from two until four and later on Pete Schwabba and Nightlight from six until eight I say that about Maggie's show because tomorrow folks if you haven't heard the big switches underway Maggie will move from her current slot till four until six and Zomers and I Zomers and we got things packed and we got two men in a truck and we ready to go we're moving from

our current time slot.

Two hours later, we will follow Tom Hartman every afternoon and be with you starting tomorrow at two o'clock from two until four.

Zomers, have we got the alarm set in the studio?

Wait, we're moving?

Zomers (Regular Contributor)

No, I'm kidding.

No,

Todd Alba (Host)

yeah.

So it's going to be a quite low six until eight in the morning.

Pat, quite low mornings.

Then Jane, Matt Nair and Greg Matt Nair on air from nine until 11.

It's going to be Hartman, Tom Hartman, 11 until two, us two to four.

And then Maggie Dawn, four until six, followed by Pete Schwabba, six until eight.

That's the new lineup that kicks off tomorrow.

Excited about that.

Excited to have our guests here at Governor Nelson State Park.

We're Mills, Freelance Journalists and fellow at the Nelson Institute and Tia Nelson, daughter of the esteemed former Wisconsin governor and U.S.

Senator Gaylord Nelson.

Want to go right to the phone lines, 855-752-4842.

Matt in Middleton, listening on WMDX.

Matt, you've been patient.

We appreciate it.

You want to talk a little bit.

I have a question here on Earth Day.

Go ahead, Matt.

Matt from Middleton (Caller)

Thanks, Todd.

Great show today.

I was wondering how Mr. Nelson, Governor Nelson would have thought about Trump and the attack on the EPA wanting to drill, drill, drill.

And here in Wisconsin, they want to fast track line five, which is dangerous for our Great Lakes and that precious resource here.

How can we fight that?

And what would Governor Nelson have done about that?

And I'm just curious how his daughter feels about that.

Tia Nelson (Guest)

Well, thanks for your question, Matt.

And for your interest, I want to remind your listeners, Todd, that today's the 55th anniversary, the first Earth Day, April 22nd, 1970, led to the passage of more environmental laws.

than any other time in American history.

And Republican President Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency to protect everyone's right to breathe clean air and drink clean water.

So, you know, it doesn't take a lot to...

understand that the threats against the agency that is tasked with protecting all citizens' rights to a clean environment is under attack.

And it's greatly disconcerting to me.

It certainly would be to my father.

And I think what his response would be to talk about

how the issue of the environment is not a partisan issue and how people came together to do the right thing to protect the environment for the benefit of everyone.

And that, you know, I take some sense of comfort in knowing, you know, it used to be different to me.

That means it can be different.

going forward.

And I think we as citizens of this great country are called now perhaps more than ever to use our voices to express our support for environmental protections.

The elected officials have to respond to those who vote for them.

So, you know, it's time to use your voice.

Todd Alba (Host)

Yeah.

James is a former Republican myself.

I looked at people like Teddy Roosevelt when President Eisenhower even

In this case, as Tia said, former President Nixon, a guy like Tommy Thompson, former Republican governor, who Tia has pointed out, actually put more land into public's trust than even her father did from a historical standpoint as a journalist knows history so well.

Again, I think answers can be found in history about two minutes left here.

What's your takeaway for the future based on national parks and what we've done here, even the state of Wisconsin?

James Mills (Freelance Journalist)

Well, I think that there's a lot to be said for protecting and preserving our...

public lands in general.

And the great thing about it is the writing is kind of on the walls at this point because during the first Trump administration, we had a lifting of the restrictions of drilling in the Arctic.

And oddly enough, market forces prevented it from becoming a national issue.

It's really expensive to drill in the Arctic because we have

alternative energy is bringing the price of oil down so that ultimately I think that if we have a combination of letting the markets speak but also demand and the demand for a lot of people right now is renewable resources, alternative vehicles, electrics, I mean all the things that allow us to make physical personal investments in environmental protection the

Governments, frankly, the legislators need to listen to the people when they say, this is important to us.

And we will suffer the inconvenient truths of having to only have one car, perhaps, or driving shorter distances, or using more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Todd Alba (Host)

Tia Nelson, going to give you 20 seconds for the last word.

Tia Nelson (Guest)

Happy Earth Day.

Happy birthday.

Do I need to be more clever than that?

No.

Todd Alba (Host)

Probably by

Tia Nelson (Guest)

surprise.

Yeah.

Individual action matters.

Use your voice and enjoy the great outdoors in the beautiful state of Wisconsin.

Zomers (Regular Contributor)

That's all for this week's Best of the Todd Alba show.

As always, if you want to hear the rest of the week's shows, you can go to civicmedia.us slash shows or anywhere else you get your podcasts.

And as Todd always says, whatever you believe in, whatever you're fighting for, do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

We'll see you on Monday.

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