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The Ongoing Legacy of Saturday Night Live (Hour 2)
The Todd Allbaugh Show · Wed Apr 23, 2025
Good afternoon, everybody.
I'm Todd Albaugh, along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.
It is six past the hour of...
three o'clock on this Wednesday, April 23rd, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite and it is pump day.
There you go.
Welcome into hour number two of the big program.
If you normally normally listen to the fantastic Maggie Dawn show every afternoon at this time, have no fear.
She's still around.
Just two hours later, things shifted around a little bit as far as scheduling.
Starting today, we are now on from two until four.
Maggie joins us, joins the network then from four until six, the complete two hours of the Maggie Dawn show follows us starting at.
four o'clock, and then it'll be Pete Schwabba and Nightlight from six until eight.
Coming up in this hour, a little what's worse for you.
And then at the bottom of the hour, Matt Solomon is here from Cracked.com talking about the 50th anniversary of Saturday Night Live.
the history thereof, and how the 50th anniversary is shaping up.
Trigvielson's gonna be back in just one moment, but first it is, by the way, Zabers, now that we're doing officially, technically, three o'clock is drive time.
Some people going to pick up kids or whatnot.
Some people getting out of work earlier in the afternoon.
So we thought, you know, we'd throw a little traffic for ya, especially.
While I like that little traffic horn very good Checking the 511 that's 511 wi.gov traffic around the state of Wisconsin a few slowdowns for you particularly for our listeners on WA UK in Southeast Wisconsin Milwaukee and the suburbs if you're traveling in the walkie area be aware that I 43
heading north from Milwaukee and 94 up to 190 in the Shorewood area going slow right now.
Then over on a highway 41 north and south, it is the northbound lane from just north of 94 up to around Mayfair area and just south of the crossroad of 190 that is headed north on 41.
That is slow as well.
And then further up on highway 41 just south of 41 or rather just south of the Woodman food market.
there that is going slow as well so basically for highway 41 say from the interstate 94 uh on up to alternate 41 that's going to be slow going there and also 43 as expected this time of day between the I 94 and I 90 up in the shorewood area that is slow as well otherwise most other major traffic areas that arose around the state of Wisconsin are on time for the most part a couple of minor accidents on the sidelines here and there and of course this time of year all roads
are in good driving conditions as well.
Don't have to worry about snow anymore either.
Trig Vilsen joins us for hour number two.
How about Joseph Pecky, Trig V?
I thought he was fantastic, and I think he's the kind of guy that can continue on the work that Ben Wickler has done
Yeah, I think he's terrific.
And, you know, if Ben built the foundation, Joe is the guy to put the structure on the house.
And, you know, he just, he gets it.
Right?
Like he gets it.
No, he really does.
Here's the other thing, the David Hogg thing.
Instead of spending your money on Gwen Moore, put it in to take it doing something constructive like taking out Van Orden.
All right, that's exactly
And for those that enjoyed this last last hour, we have Joseph Pecky, who's running for Democratic Party chair that now that Ben Wickler is not going to run again.
And I brought up this thing we talked about on this show a couple of days ago.
David Hawick, who's now the National Democratic Party vice chairman, got his claim to fame from being one of the survivors of the Parkland School of Shooting in Florida, which, of course, that's a tragedy and, you know, can't imagine living through that.
He's kind of parlayed that into as far as.
I know the guys never run a race, right?
I don't think he's even run a state house race at all.
But he's parlayed this into kind of a claim of fame amongst Democrats.
And now he got himself elected vice chair of the Democratic Party.
And over the weekend, he said that his personal super PAC is gonna spend $20 million on primarying Democratic incumbents in safe house seats.
And he's gonna target those that he feels are too old.
or don't vote progressively enough.
And I agree with you, Trigby.
I don't get it.
I just don't get that strategy.
And I agree with you.
His organization would be much better off putting that 20 million part of it against guys like Derek Van Orton or other people that
are just very, very extreme.
So look, we're not Democrats.
So I guess that's that's up to them.
I do.
I'm going to ask you this because I was Tom Hartman's on now before before us.
I found this fascinating because Mark Pocan was on that show.
A congressman here and other the other all the other Democrat represents Wisconsin and was on Hartman's show today on the national show, taking questions.
And I this is an order.
I wrote this down.
as I was driving in.
So the first caller was calling in to say the Democrats should lobby Republicans outside their district to have some courage and join and get Hakeem Jeffery's elected speaker.
And even Mark Pokehan said, look, not so sure about that one because if you try to leave a message or an email,
on my website, you have to enter in your zip code.
And if you're not in my district, you can't even, can't even leave a message.
So I'm not sure about that one.
The second caller wanted to socialize airlines, thought the airlines in America should be owned by the government and not private companies.
The next caller wanted to join the, I hadn't even heard of this, the occupied the White House movement.
a la January 6 only going up against the White House instead of the Capitol.
The next person was in favor of Head Start.
I think that's a good one.
And the final caller wanted, was advocating for the Bernie AOC ticket in 2028.
Now, I get that that's a more liberal program than what we're doing here, but I just found it fascinating that, and again, that's why I was getting, and I appreciate Zipecki answering the question.
I just don't understand.
how you can satisfy that faction of the Democratic Party that's in favor of all those things I just listed, and also kind of more traditional Democrats.
It's a tough job.
I wouldn't want it.
Like, but Democrats aren't losing elections because they're too progressive.
They won the state Supreme Court race because their base was energized, but they also won the state Supreme Court race because there were an awful lot of those people that voted for Tammy Baldwin and Donald Trump or skipped one or the other who looked at Schimel, looked at what Elon was doing and just said, no.
You know, Elon jumping around in a cheesehead, not appealing.
And so Democrats should have to be really careful within the infrastructure, not to fall into the same traps that Republicans did with not speaking truth.
When, you know, I mean, you and I, during the rise of the Tea Party movement, every Republican who is working in politics would have conversations with people and they'd be saying things and you're like, that's just not true, but you wouldn't correct
And you know, it's that's not necessarily the role of state party chair, but like with what David Hogg is doing, that should be getting called out.
Yeah.
And many, many Democrats.
And I get their frustration, too, because like Chuck Schumer really looked weak.
Yeah.
Right.
But that said.
They, they, the country, they don't want to admit that the country and the places like Wisconsin that decided are naturally slightly ever so slightly right of center.
Do you think there's going to be a, I think Joe gets
You know, there's so many obstacles to it because if the two parties do one thing, it's they protect their own turf and having been around the edges of Howard Schultz looking at it.
It's a really hard thing.
That said, you know, if it's AOC versus Donald Trump running for a third term, I think there's a ton of space if somebody who had the resources and could appeal to that middle were to be the candidate.
I mean, if I just throw his name out, you know, I don't know him well or anything, but like if a Mark Cuban were to say, I'm gonna run as a fiscally conservative business guy who's socially tolerant, that would have a lot of appeal, do a lot of people.
Hi.
This isn't kind of with your thing that you were talking about, but I heard a little bit on Hartman where he was talking with someone who, and they were discussing how Trump was basically getting, like he got from all the rich people, all the donations for his inauguration.
And then he talked a little bit about
even on Sunday's egg roll, how like Apple donated and different companies had donated and they were getting special compensations in ways like for tariffs and stuff.
And my question is, I would like to see some kind of big protest in
Washington D.C.
on 4th of July and also a silent protest where when they have the 4th of July celebration people could wear certain certain colors or certain armbands or certain t-shirts and protest that way.
Okay.
I'm just wondering what how they actually
What's the funding that goes into that will will?
Will the big businesses be paying for that and thereby we're
Will they you know like when they have the big celebrations at the Capitol?
Oh, right.
I'm for July
you know, is that going to be a moment for Trump to also be
wants to have a big, he
He wants to have a, I appreciate the call.
Oh, like, thanks so much.
I mean, Trigby, I mean, we've seen this, you know, the Easter egg role.
I mean, a lot of different, you know, pause and, and, uh, target, you know, Amazon or sponsors.
And we've seen this, you know, Mark Zuckerberg gives a million dollars to the Trump inauguration.
And guess what?
The tariffs don't apply to them.
Uh, Apple does the same thing.
Uh, it's pay for play.
Am I, am I
Yeah.
I mean, I think.
You know, there's a long tradition of things like the Easter egg roll companies pitching in the money so that it's not taxpayers money going to pay for the Easter egg roll that said what's different is you know, Donald Trump is it sure seems that the Trump administration is pay to play and And that is different
We're gonna take a quick break here and when we come back to know Jean's on the line It'll take her phone call quickly and then oh actually I see a new clock throws me off.
All right, Jean.
Let's go to Jean Eau Claire 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Jean you got 45 seconds.
It's all yours my friend go ahead
Anyway, it's great show guys.
This is wonderful.
Um, I gotta say something on behalf of the young man that
care of the democratic or you know
you know he was in that shooting and he went to the capital and he was the one that was harassed by marjorie taylor green follow him around harassing them yelling at these kids who watch their classmates get floddered well you know it's not really polite the way he's doing it however
He really cares.
And so I want to support all young people and their voices.
Would you?
And
Well, I would have something to say about that.
Yes, I would, you know.
Yeah.
You know, I don't want to just stay in the money.
Right.
I
started.
Last night when I walked into my bathroom I stepped in a big pile of shaving cream Lean ice and clean
Shave
you'll always look
and Michelin Center, now a part of Civic Media.
Uh, my colleague Phil Nee, who, who still has the great show.
Those were the days every Saturday night from six until midnight played that song.
It's called shaving cream.
And our owner, Peter Thales came back and those days everybody smoked release Pete did.
And he came back and he goes, say, I was driving back from Madison and Todd played this song.
And he knew what they were going to say.
And Phil says, uh, he was, what, what a guy Phil Nee goes, uh,
Actable
Time once again for what's worse, no prize money involved, nothing to give away, but it is your chance to have your voice heard across all 11 stations in the Civic Media News Sports Talk Network.
Glad to have you along.
Trigby Olsen stayed around for this.
It's a great category today.
Category today, timely, timely indeed.
What's worse?
Shaving or flossing.
Thus the song that Zomers played.
What's worse?
Shaving.
or flossing, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.
What's worse, shaving or flossing, you can also text us on the Civic Media app.
Trigvielson, shaving or flossing, what's worse?
Flossing.
Back in our day, we killed a deer and used the tendon as a piece of floss, and we liked it that way.
What's worse, shaving or flossing?
8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.
Matt Middleton on MDX says shaving is worse as I'm still learning to work my beard facial hair and it takes some effort as flossing is easy.
Chris listening on WMDX in Madison says flossing way worse.
Shaving is ritualistic.
almost cathartic, but flossing is intrusive at a chore.
And while important, the results of flossing aren't as noticeable as shaving is.
Well, that's a good point.
Casper says back to TrigV, get off my lawn, TrigV.
That's fantastic Megan
in
some prairie on WMDX says shaving is worse It's way more time-consuming than flossing and if I don't floss only the dentist notices Not shaving often enough is uncomfortable.
All right, Tyler up in Columbia County on MDX says shaving is worse water flossers work well
With how my teeth are plus the pre-made flossers take the pain out.
Well, there you go.
I to Zomers point I use both I use the pick the floss pick and I also use the regular old floss line or whatever to call it Zomers what's worse flossing or shaving shaving.
I'm never gonna cut myself flossing I Would I would say for me I would say flossing this probably worse just because it just I don't know it takes time to get in there and do it right
or shaming is pretty straightforward for me.
Trigvie, did you have a definitive answer?
I did.
Oh,
back.
Shave every day and you'll always look
I wish it were Saturday at live story disappointing the 35 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock on the civic media already network here on a Wednesday gonna get to a little bit of SNL reflection in a moment but at 35 past the hour quick update for you on Wisconsin roadways one major accident to report to you particularly for our listeners at WBZH up in Hayward if you were looking to go on highway 27 out of Hayward North find an alternative route
Wisconsin DOT reporting at this hour that Wisconsin 27 north of Camp Eastmore Road, all lanes are now blocked and closed due to a crash there.
So again, this is north of Hayward on Highway 27, both north and south lanes.
The road is completely shut down due to a major crash there on Highway 27.
north of Hayward.
On the opposite end of the state, there are several slowdowns right now, kind of basically normal drive time traffic for this afternoon in the greater Milwaukee area.
Highway 41 north and south right now, north of Interstate 94.
That is going slow right now.
And also as we zoom in here, I-43 going south as well towards from Shorewood down to Milwaukee.
That is pretty slow going right now as well.
We'll keep you
up to date on any other major accidents that become available due to the 511wi.gov site.
36 now past three o'clock.
We are pleased to have our next guest back on the show.
He is from the great publication of Cracked.com.
He is Matt Salomon.
Matt, thanks for coming back on High and Ben.
I'm
good.
Hurry up.
It's great to have you on our music our intro music there was the theme of Saturday Night Live Celebrating the 50th anniversary thereof
and being 55 myself, I don't really, I kind of sort of, I guess, remember some of the earlier episodes.
My mom and dad watched it a lot in the 70s, and I'm not sure why they let a kid up that late was the one on Saturday.
But I remember John Blushy and, you know, Gilda Radner and some of those early people that later on, Steve Martin, and then kind of my prime viewing for me personally of Saturday at Live was the era that I probably
is fixed in my head the most kind of the day in a car for years.
I mean, those were, I think those were really, really well written, but you know, guys are leader like Chevy Chase, of course.
He was only on what for one season Chevy Chase or more
one season.
Well, yeah, he was on a couple episodes of season two, but essentially a once one and done.
But but I mean still you know his invitation of president Ford and and you know that we can update and things But but somebody iconic memories for for guys and gals my age And I guess now as we hear are here at the 50th anniversary one of the questions is a is the show relevant and B How is it held up on the house the 50th anniversary going and here to talk about all of that because you've written this great column at
crack.com
Yeah, you know, when you were talking about the Dana Carby cast was kind of your cast.
There's a cliche about SNL that everyone's favorite cast is the cast that was on when they were about 12, 13, 14 years old.
Those were the glory days for everyone.
Right.
So is, you know, to your point about is the show relevant?
It still gets
Makes a lot of money for NBC it still gets some of the best ratings in the late night It's still like they had the webby awards Yesterday, I think and SNL cleaned up at the webby awards for all the stuff they do on social media and tiktok and So I don't think it's as relevant as it's ever been but man the people I think
Any show that lasts 50 years is relevant to me and just in terms of Of longevity it's not the star maker that it used to be for sure But I think in a fractured media environment it's about as relevant as as it as anything can
Talk about relevant and a star maker.
I mean, not only has he overseen this show for the majority of its 50 years, but but here's a guy who from, you know, Wisconsin's own Chris Farley.
And he could go right down the list from there.
David Spade, other people were went on to to either television or or movie careers that were due a large part to Lord Michaels.
Yeah, I mean, I
think that's why he can.
When we talk about being relevant, that's why he continues to have the influence that he does because he's been a kingmaker for 50 years.
I mean, even the guys that you've talked about, so the Belichie and the Chevy Chase and the David Spades and the Chris Farley, those are all 20th century people.
But, you know, in this century, the Bill Haters and the Tina Faes and the Will Ferrells and Kristen Wigs, it's...
it's just remarked, you know, and then he's, and then he's, you know, got this farm system now where he's completely taken over late night and
Jimmy Fallon moves
from Mastinel into the Tonight Show spot in Seth Meyers moves from Weekend Update into the Late Show spot.
He's got a big footprint and he has a lot of influence.
He knows, you know, I
I think if you're, if you're, how can you be like a 40 year old NBC executive and not look at this guy and be like, geez, this guy has been like, uh, anointing people since well before I was born.
Um, but, you know, to that point, he's also, uh, you know, 80 ish and this, you know, I, I don't know how much longer it can go on.
He see what you know, the funny thing is about this time last year he was making noise like I'm gonna get to the party I'm gonna get to I'm gonna stay on until I get to that SNL 50 party and then I'm gonna get on my horse and right off into the sunset and the closer it got I think the more he was like Jesus is this is
I get a good table right when I get when I go to the nice restaurant and you know all of a sudden he's not so ready to let go of the reins um he seemed to have anointed Tina Fey last year and to me there's only there's two people that make sense it's Tina Fey and Seth Meyers they both um were head writers on the show
They both were performers on the show, and they both have run their own shows that were extremely successful.
Seth Meyers, executive producing his late night show, and Tina Fey with 30 Rock and all of her ancillary, other things.
They're just the trifecta of people that the current cast would respect because they killed his performers.
amazing writers and they've been amazing producers.
So those are the only two names to me that check all the boxes and are also still young enough that you're not turning over the keys to somebody that you're going to have to replace 10 years down the line.
Anyways, so if I were going to go on one of the online betting sites that we can't use here in the state of Wisconsin, my money would be on Tina
ahead?
Yeah, I don't I thought he was ready to step down.
But man, everyone inside that building is like, nope, he's kind of settled into that chair and he's not ready to he's not ready to go.
He's going to keep munching that popcorn at his desk for
tell you
a
it was a it was just an impossible job, right?
to create a show that's going to appeal to, you know, man, at least four generations of fans.
I thought the show went about as well as it could have, although I am just astounded by the fact that apparently afterwards everybody said we never rehearsed.
We didn't have one rehearsal.
Part of that was I'm sure was the logistics of all of the people that they had You know the biggest comedy stars of the past 50 years getting them all in the building early and putting them through their paces was probably on the one hand of just a logistical nightmare on the other hand I would have been scared to death to do some of these You know there was the big John Mulaney musical number where they're going out to people in the in the bleachers and they're you know, they're
They're singing huge, huge production numbers that they were doing for the first time, not only in front of a live audience, but the first time they were doing it with each other.
That's unbelievable to me.
That would have been so frightening.
I think all things considered, I think it was kind of a miracle, honestly.
I mean,
I don't think it was like...
I don't hold it up as like some example of like this is the best comedy that America has produced in the last 50 years, but I think that it came off as well as it did.
It was an accomplishment and it was probably representative of the raggedy show that it's been from the beginning.
It's never been a top to bottom great show.
And from whatever glory days that people think they remember, it was always two or three great sketches.
Exactly.
Right.
Yeah.
The rest were
hour.
We're talking with
We're talking with Matt Solomon from crack.com on the 50th anniversary of Saturday Night Live.
Matt, let's talk about this fiftieth season now.
This is pretty recent from a couple of weeks ago or so.
They did a sketch spoofing both the white lotus of the big popular streaming show and also it was called, the sketch was White Potus and it went after the Trump administration and it put Trump family characters in the white lotus characters and explained what happened there because it was pretty controversial at least for a couple of days.
It
was okay, you know it and I'm gonna tie this into your relevance question The weirdest thing to me about season 50 is these very small things that happen in a show that become a big entertainment story for three four or five days after the show Run so the white POTUS was a parody of HBO's the white lotus.
There's an actress in that show
very attractive young actress named Amy Lee, excuse me, Amy Lou Wood, who has a little bit of an overbite.
And Sarah Sherman portrayed her in the parody and she wore a massive set of chompers, big prosthetic teeth.
And it hurt Amy Lou Wood's feelings, which I mean, it wasn't
especially nice, but there's certainly been crueler things that have been done on Saturday Night Live.
But the day after the show, she went on her social media and said, basically SNL was mean.
And that started a firestorm on social media of people coming to either to the defense of Amy Lou Wood or people defending the right of comedy to poke fun at
people, even if it's not especially kind.
And Cracked probably wrote six, seven stories about it, because every time we thought we were done with it, something else would happen.
There would be a story that Sarah Sherman sent her flowers or that SNL apologized.
No, SNL did not apologize after all.
And the legs that those little incidents have on the show, people
It seemed to talk about that more than they talk about the actual comedy.
And so is that because, is it because, well, we're going to have to get a break, we're going to have to get to the clock, but when we come back, I'll ask Matt, is this because the relevance of Saturday Night Live or is it because of what I'm holding in my hand, these devices, that everything goes social and that's why people are still talking about it?
We're going to talk to Matt Solomon after this, it's SNL at 50, this is the All Ball Show on the Civic Media Brain Network.
Four o'clock, getting used to these new times.
New time, new time clock, but it's all fine.
Same old host though.
They haven't found anybody better.
So, uh, we're, uh, stay tuned.
Top of the hour, CBS ABC news, followed by a check of weather and our great sports reporter, Mike Clemens.
And then, uh, the Maggie Dawn show, which was normally in the time slot.
We're in now Maggie Dawn coming up from four until six, followed by our friend, uh, Pete Schwabba and the great program, nightlight entertainment and Maggie's show is great as well.
They're all great.
So Maggie, after us, then Pete Schwabba, a quick traffic update.
Again, Highway 27 north of Hayward for our WBZH listeners in the Northwoods.
Highway 27 north of Hayward closed in both directions right now due to a crash there.
Also some of the roadways around Milwaukee.
Normal drive time traffic delays as well.
Right now we're talking with Matt Solomon of Cracked.com on the 50th anniversary of Saturday Night Live.
Matt, we appreciate your insight on this.
We are talking about the 50th anniversary show.
this year, talk a little bit about the, I love gossip, I love Hollywood gossip, and some people are talking now so much about the show, but who did come?
That was one of the things that was driving a lot of our interest on our site was like, where was Dan Ackroyd?
Where was Danny Carvey?
Where was...
Why wasn't Chevy Chase on stage?
So, you know, especially Dana Carby was, he was almost like an honorary cast member in the early part of the season.
He showed up like in six straight shows.
And so for him not to be a no show at the 50th was, was weird.
Turns out he was sick.
Dan Acroyd seemed to want some sort of something that he wasn't given and he used the occasion to promote his crystal head vodka on his social media.
He kind of like live tweeted the show and like, hey, let's crack another vodka.
Thanks to the great sketch on Saturday Night Live.
It was very funny.
So that was that was really interesting.
It's just people again.
People still care.
Well, I think especially that original cast, I think people were interested in seeing them.
And then, like you said, Dana Carby was part of what he's if he's not on the Mount Rushmore of SNL, he's in the conversation for it.
So, you know, especially with those.
you know, people weren't necessarily like, oh, where's Rob Schneider?
Where's Chris Catan?
But it was some of those bigger names.
Both of
well.
One of the commercials where he shows these guys scooping water out of some inappropriate pool and then it goes to a guy sniffing at his girl, his lady's neighbor for neck and turning around, turning his head, looking at the bottom of his shoe.
He says, you don't wear it because it's good.
You wear it because it's French.
And those ones just stick with me after all these years.
I mean, because those ones are decades and decades ago.
Bass-O-Matic just always, you know, whenever we catch a bass when I'm fishing, I think, Bass-O-Matic, you know.
That's a good
bass.
the call, Mark.
That is a good bass.
Akira and Newman actually reprised that on the 40th anniversary show.
They did that, they did, basically did that sketch as it was live on the 40th.
So Akira did get a chance to be part of...
Celebrating his own legacy 10 years ago couple
couple minutes left Matt One of the things that for me as just someone a person who works in media that loves media I'm still in awe that it's a it's still a live show and they put this thing together on the fly Right up until showtime and just the production of it to me.
I just have great admiration respect
It's unbelievable.
It will be interesting when Lauren retires because it costs a lot of money to do what you just described.
They have literally a cast of thousands of people behind the scenes making wigs and costumes and sets.
It costs four million dollars an episode in a time when late night is cutting back their budgets.
And once Lauren goes, it'll be interesting to see if they're still allowed that.
Um, but you know, and, uh, tight budgets just make people more creative too.
So it could be
There's three left.
Three left.
There's three left.
Quinta Quinta Bronson has been announced as the host for the next one the other two have not been announced yet I'll I'll predict I'll go to the one of those online gambling sets and predict that Pedro Pascal is going to get the season-ender really
he Shows up on all of the anniversary stuff.
He's got he's got the last of us his back.
He's got his fantastic four out the summer It just makes sense to me.
He was a he just killed it the first time he hosted
Um, that's my prediction.
We'll see if it comes true.
I think you get sick.
You can see all of Matt's work at cracked.com.
And, uh, he's also a great author with our friend CP.
So check those, uh, novels out as well.
We appreciate you being here, Matt.
Thank you very much.
Have a wonderful day.
You bet, Ted.
All right.
Thanks so much, Matt.
Matt Solomon from Cracked.com.
Mr. Sommers, great show today.
We want to thank Trig V. Olsen, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, Joe Zipecki of Zipecki Communications, who is a candidate for the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.
And then we just heard Matt Solomon there from Cracked.com.
Got through the first show of the new time slot, and we're still alive.
How about that, Sommers?
It feels really weird,
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