Mondays With Matt: On The Passing Of Pope Francis (Hour 1)

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But right now, we welcome via StreamYard from the Walkie, Wisconsin, our friend and ongoing contributor, a two-time chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party of Wisconsin, great attorney, Navy veteran, and an author as well.

And today, nothing more prescient than one of his great books called Confessions of a Church Leader in Defense of Christianity, the one that only Matt Flynn joins us from Milwaukee.

Matt, good afternoon to you, my friend.

It's gonna be with you Todd and Aaron it's been a while and that's always great to be on the Todd Olbo show

Well, we're we're very thankful to have you come on short notice today But of course the breaking news story of the morning or at least overnight the passing of Pope Francis and Matt as a practicing Catholic and you've defended the Catholic Church in in court before yourself before we get into all the details just as a Catholic as an individual you personally upon hearing the news this morning what were your first

thoughts

I felt very sad.

I think that Pope Francis was a great man.

And the truth of the matter is that over the last 50 years, we've had much more conservative popes.

I've referred them as counter-reformation popes.

Then we've had Pope Francis.

We had Pope John XXIII, who were more liberal.

And I would refer to them as Renaissance popes.

But Pope Francis was very special.

What he did was he liberalized the church.

And he liberalized the church.

He appointed Cardinals who were much more liberal so that when they vote, many people don't know it.

But every Cardinal under the age of 80 can vote for the Pope and the next Pope.

Under the age of 80, there's about 126 of them.

And Pope Francis appointed many of them and did not appoint any truly conservative or reactionary Cardinals.

So I think that we are going to have a good convocation and a good successor to Pope Francis.

As a

kid who grew up Methodist, and I guess would say non-denominational, the moms that, as I said, opened their St.

John's Lutheran Church at Michelin Center, but a person of faith.

I've always, there was actually a time that my life as a teenager, I had a brief kind of...

foray, I thought about, wow, wouldn't it be cool to be a priest?

Because I'm drawn to the pomp and circumstance of the tradition of the Catholic Church, and I think there is something to be said for kind of a security in a foundation, when everything else in life is crazy, and one of my closest friends is Catholic, a long time practicing Catholic lifelong, and I've gone to Easter masses, I've gone to Christmas masses, and there's something just soothing and calming about it, so I think even for those that,

For those of us who didn't grow up Catholic, there is a certain connection to the Pope and the Catholic Church.

What I was struck, and I want your thoughts on this, this particular Pope seemed to me from the outside.

to embody the essence of Christianity and walk in Christ's shoes, the humility, choosing to live in a two room apartment, a guest house in the Vatican, and not the palatial, what, 10, 11 room palace in the Vatican, choosing to carry his own bag and kind of goading the other Cardinals and priests.

Hey, if I'm doing it, you better do it too.

And going to the prison and washing the feet of prisoners on Monday, Thursday, and not the feet of...

other priests, he seemed to set an example and I'll show up the last thing when he sat on his plane one time and talking about gay folks in the Catholic Church.

At the end he said, but hey, who am I to judge?

I've never heard a priest with that sort of humility before.

Right, I think you hit the nail on the head and I admired him a great deal.

For one thing, memories from Argentina, he was the first non-European pope since the 8th century.

And the truth of the matter is that he grew up in Argentina during all the troubles down there.

He had a much more balanced world view.

And he said, as far as gay people, that they had a right to family.

And he advocated for gay people.

He also pointed out that the celibacy rule was not in the Bible and it's not

It's not a matter of church doctrine.

It's just custom and that it easily, you know, there are people don't know this, but there are Catholic priests who are married and have kids.

They are former ministers or Episcopal priests who converted and they brought their families with them.

So he challenged us on many, many fronts, including female clergy.

The book of mine that you alluded to, Confessions of a Church Lawyer in Defense of Christianity, is my

observation about Pope Francis and how he liberalized the church and started to clean up the abuse scandal.

And anybody interested in Pope Francis, you may want to read that because I was the lawyer for the Archdiocese in Milwaukee for 15 years.

And I think that's another great point is that the Catholic Church, certainly there are instances within the church where there was abuse and it's important and Pope Francis never shied away from that.

In fact, he tried, I think in my opinion, from the outside to take that on.

And I think it's important in any organization of faith, heck in any organization, there is always going to be some form of abuse, whether it's financial, whether it's sexual in propriety, however it is.

But here is a Pope that said,

Hey, guess what?

We as Catholics aren't perfect, and we need to do better, and we need to have real reform.

That's from an outsider, Matt.

What would be your take as a Catholic?

No, I think that's very, very accurate.

And the thing about him was he was totally honest.

I mean, he was totally, what you saw is what you got.

He didn't...

there was no guile to him, whereas a lot of times in politics, and the church is a political organization, I mean, it's exactly like the Cardinals are like the senators, you know, the next one wants to be Pope, and they maneuver.

If you saw the recent movie about it, it was a very, very good

movie.

Now I want to go back and watch Conclave, because

I heard it's a great movie.

It has a surprise ending.

All right, we won't give it away, we won't give it away.

No, I'm not giving it away.

That said, that said, Pope,

Pope Francis was above that, and he's one of the shining lights of the papacy over the last 2,000 years.

We're sorry to miss him.

To give you a little bit of a hint, there was some initial thought that the Archbishop, the Cardinal from Manila, believe it or not, an Asian would be the next pope.

In other words, the thing about the Catholic Church is it's really international.

There will be an African pope, there will be an Asian pope, there was a South American pope.

So, stand by for some very, very interesting conclaves.

Well,

that's

what I was going to ask you.

We're talking with Matt Flynn via StreamYard right now, two-time chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, an attorney and Navy veteran and author on one of his great books, one of many you can get them on Amazon, Confessions of a Church Leader in Defense of Christianity, literally wrote, maybe I'll call it the book, but certainly a book on Pope Francis.

I was watching the coverage this morning, Matt, as it was breaking as I was getting up.

And there's all this talk now who is next.

There's some people saying that the next pope may be a placeholder pope.

Maybe explain to people that are familiar with the Catholic Church what that means.

And then other people are saying, no, because of your point earlier, because Pope Francis has

I'm going to use the word nominated or put in place about 80% of the Cardinals who elect the next one, that they're not going to go back to some very, very conservative doctrine type of pope.

Give us some insight on what might be next.

Right.

So this placeholder business, they always say that.

The funniest one in history was, and they said, Pope John the 23rd would be a placeholder.

And he convened Vatican II and he disrupted everything.

So once the person gets in, you can't say what he's going to be.

In this particular case, I'm

expecting that they may look very seriously at Asia and Africa for a pope, to emphasize the international aspect of the church.

But even if they don't, it's inconceivable to me that they would elect a pope who is like Benedict or who is like John Paul II because

Going back to that kind of conservatism nowadays would be disastrous I think the church realizes that and the people that John that Pope Francis appointed as Cardinal who will be the electors are much more in

his line of thought and and just kind of fall back about finally but a final thought for me at least

is It doesn't really matter.

I don't think whether it's Catholic or Protestant that many churches across America are seeing a steep decline in in their parishioners and and and look as you said

There's a certain amount of politics to all religions and a certain amount of, I'll call it even entertainment or show business, that the homilies, that the masses, that the preachers and the Protestant side, the services, many of them now, with the non-denominational churches.

I mean, it's lights, it's live bands, it's video screens, and that in order for the Catholic Church in particular to not only just

grow but survive, that they need a leader who's more in tune with 2025, with young people who's going to be more open-minded without completely throwing out the long-standing tradition of the Catholic Church.

No, that's very, very true.

And one of the things I liked about Pope Francis more than anything, because he was, what, 88?

I mean, he's not a young guy.

But the thing about... And the US Senate,

they call that just getting going.

Yeah, he'd be a freshman.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

Well, the second thing is that he invited the Archbishop of Canterbury and the head of the Presbyterian Church in Scotland on the Papal Plain, and the three of them flew to Somalia and Sudan to preach Christianity, but more importantly to preach compassion, to preach the end of war, and to preach

wealthy nations helping and feeding them.

It's a wonderful ecumenical signal.

And unfortunately, that's being lost right now when we have an administration that's canceling USAID and canceling all this stuff.

And so I think that the signal that has to come out of all the principal Christian churches has got to be compassion, has got to be unity.

has got to be the sanctity of the individual.

And he did that, and I think young people can spot that.

And I think you're absolutely right.

The new pope may be a much younger pope, actually.

Matt Flynn, author of Confessions, a church leader in defense of Christianity, his thoughts of the passing of Pope Francis.

We'll take a quick break.

Come back with Matt's thoughts on what's happening in Washington, D.C., in particular, the courts.

Don't stay with us in the Senate Media Network.

On this side of the law, on that side of the law, who is right, who is wrong, who is foreign, who's against the law?

Welcome

back to Matt Flynn Direct.

Now, it's Matt Flynn Direct on the Todd Olbal Show, 21 past the hour of 12 noon on this Monday, April 21st, 2025.

Whenever you hear Johnny Cash on this show, you know that our friend Matt Flynn is not far behind.

He has a two-time chair at the Wisconsin Democratic Party, an attorney, a great author.

He's a great author.

I am not a great reader of my own writing.

The book that we are talking about here, a little bit of what we were in the last segment, to mark the passing of Pope Francis earlier today, the book is called Confessions of a Church Lawyer, not leader but lawyer, Confessions of a Church Lawyer in Defense of Christianity.

You can find it wherever books are sold.

Sorry about that, man.

Yeah, well, thanks.

No, no, and I enjoyed writing the book, but it's a testimony to Pope Francis He came in and cleaned up a lot of things He appointed very very liberal cardinals and he tried to liberalize the church as much as he could

Yeah, we'll continue to follow this as the conclave unfolds first of course a time of mourning and there'll

be a

funeral for Pope Francis and then the conclave begins and Matt, maybe we'll have you back on as that gets closer to kind of walk us through that as we get closer.

Are you a candidate, Matt?

Can you?

You've run for many things.

I think you make us a great pope.

I think you make us a great

pope.

If you took a poll in Madison, I might get no votes.

In fact, I hope I get no votes because it would show the good sense of Madison.

I am not a candidate.

Will not serve

if nominated you will not run elect if you will not serve, but you look great in a white robe.

I'm just saying All right in all seriousness Want to turn to just we have a few minutes left here at the bottom of the hour gonna have Jimmy Cusco on talking about Changes it changes at the WIA a but Matt a lot has happened on this Kilmar Garcia story you were on when this first broke when Trump sent three plain loads of

Allegedly, Venezuelan gang members to El Salvador, federal judge said, time out, you might be able to do it, but you gotta give these guys due process.

Trump said no.

The president of El Salvador, Naib Bukele, paid $6 million plus now to take these folks.

The Supreme Court, since then, has basically said, no, no, no, you have to give them due process.

I feel we're in a constitutional crisis here, Matt Flynn.

What's the...

Yeah, that's true.

And let me tell you what's happening, because this reminds me of the Reichstag back in 1933.

The senators and the congressmen are standing by and putting up with this stuff.

Here's the danger.

He's kidnapping people off the streets right now who are not citizens, and they're foreigners.

And look, many of them may be members of the gang.

I get it.

But you don't just do that and send him to a torture prison because the next people up, he said, he'll send our prisoners and citizens.

And if that

happens, he's going after Mr. Krebs and others who opposed him in the last administration.

And once they're convicted, he'll send them.

They'll send his political opponents.

This guy has got to be stopped right now.

It doesn't matter.

Once they're in our territory, even if illegally, you don't kidnap them.

You arrest them and you can send them to Guantanamo as long as we have jurisdiction over Guantanamo.

Try them.

You can try them in the military tribunal.

But you don't send them to a torture prison.

Period.

End of story.

And this guy is blowing off the federal courts now.

And I'm afraid Clarence Thomas and Alito are with him no matter what he does.

Plus it seems to be

it right over the weekend.

It is it.

And so.

I talk about the six tarantulas, two of them truly are tarantulas, the other four may be pussyfooting

around.

They're salvageable.

They're salvageable.

They may be salvageable with their unsightly looking critters because, I mean,

otherwise you're going to have... We're legally speaking

yet.

Americans... Americans...

with American citizenship snatched off the street.

That's got to stop.

They did it in Germany.

And that's the thing that I think that we've talked about our show.

I've heard on other shows.

I heard a long time Republican on we'll just say another network on another show say, oh, this is this is great for Republicans.

I hope Democrats keep talking about this because what they want to make it about Republicans, in my opinion, is this whole quote unquote legal versus illegal issue.

In my opinion, Matt, it ain't about that.

I mean, over the weekend, I think it was a good Friday, right?

Trump took a picture of this guy, Kilmar Garcia, that for everything that we know from the courts, this guy ain't guilty of being in a gang and has no business being held down in the gulags in El Salvador, and they took a picture of his hand, which, yes.

does have a couple of tattoos on it, but they clearly photoshopped MS-13 on his knuckles.

Trump shows that in the Oval Office on Good Friday, and it's all over social media.

It is a fallacy mat, and to your point, it's dangerous because what they don't want folks to know is what you said.

This is about due process for all of us.

And by doing that, by putting out the fake knuckle picture, there's a lot of people who are not listening to your show, they're not reading the newspapers, they look at that and they say, oh, okay.

He is deliberately implanting false information.

Propaganda.

And for a president to do that, he should be impeached.

This guy is a serious, ongoing threat to the United States.

It doesn't matter.

We've seen people being disappeared in the Twin Cities.

I talked to a friend out in Los Angeles.

This is happening on the streets of LA, plainclothes people in masks, no identification, snatch the people off the street, gone, disappeared.

And to your point, you know, he says in the White House to Bukele last week, oh, well, we'll just, the really bad, the really bad Americans will take down Del Salvador.

Well, geez, who is he said is really bad?

Joe Biden, Liz Cheney, General Miller.

Krebs, right?

I mean, that's

right.

His enemies, and that's what's going to happen.

The next, he's already said, are going to be American citizens.

And the thing about Duke

isn't that even this guy Garcia?

He may be a bad guy.

Okay.

Keep him in the United States or in Guantanamo.

Try him.

take a look at at least what the heck he's alleged to have done.

And even though they falsified his knuckles, if he is a member of a gang, fine.

But the point is that we'll get rid of him.

But the falsified knuckles, give me a break.

Give

me a break.

And this whole narrative about MSF 13, look, I don't have time to go into it.

I've been there 39 times over 25 plus years.

The way it happened prior to Bukele, I'll give Bukele credit that the gangs went to each house when the kid with his boys turned 16.

Knocked on the door said it'd be terrible if Jose came back with blood on his shoes.

So he either joins our gang or you pay 50 bucks a month for us to protect him.

That's real.

And that's so when I hear that this guy Garcia, well, he's a member of the every 16 year old in El Salvador, we had to make a choice, die or join the gang.

So this narrative is just, it's crazy.

30 seconds, Matt, give us a hot tip.

Here's a hot tip in the upcoming Supreme Court race next April.

There are a number of people, including some judges, who have told Judge Bill Pocan in Milwaukee that they would support him if he ran.

He's an outstanding judge.

Keep an eye on Bill Pocan of Milwaukee, an outstanding judge who is considering him.

Wow.

That is a hot tip.

Have you heard that?

I think Bill Pocan of Milwaukee considering a race for Wisconsin State Supreme Court.

Matt Flynn always has the inside information, and he makes a smile.

Matt Flynn, thank you so very much.

Appreciate you, my friend.

See you next time.

See you next time, Matt Flynn.

Stay tuned.

Jimmy Cusca and the WIA is next on the All Ball Show on Pacific

Media.

truth wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the title of our show on the Civic Media Ready Network for a Monday, the 21st of April, 2025.

Glad to have you along.

34 past the hour of 12 noon.

Many thanks to Matt Flynn.

for joining us today.

Always a pleasure to talk with him and always a pleasure to talk with our next guest.

He is Civic Media's sports director amongst many other things that he does in the sports world.

Mr. Jimmy Cusco joins us on StreamYard for beautiful Southwest Wisconsin, Bosquebell along the hitherto unknown fact.

A lot of people, Bosquebell is the turkey hunting capital of the world.

How about that?

Right, Jimmy Cusco?

Don't don't I know it because our first weekend we're doing summer or spring flag football and it was the youth turkey hunt And I want to say a third of our team was out hunting

low roster low roster.

That was not a great I always

had to go throw passes

But no, it's a big

Big deal.

And for people in more, I guess, urban areas of our of our listenership across the state, they might not get it.

But it's a huge deal and kind of a rite of passage in, you know, Southwest Wisconsin that a lot of young kids and in their teens, they've taken firearm safety.

You have to pass that or you go with a parent or whatever.

And for me, you know, I occasionally still turkey hunt, but me, it's just being outside.

That's what I love about it.

Yeah, down here this part of the state.

It's a lot like where I grew up in Northwestern, Wisconsin, where, you know, there are certain hunting seasons or, you know, or fishing, if that's your thing, that people plan their lives around.

They have cabins built specifically for going out and doing this.

They have land just for doing this.

But yeah, it's a lot like the other rural parts of the state.

It's just down here, it happens to be turkey and trout.

Like that's new to me because those weren't big things where I grew up.

But that's, it's really cool because I think in Wisconsin, we have such an abundance.

a way of getting outside, like you said, and enjoying what the state has to offer.

I'm all for it.

I don't personally hunt myself, but I really enjoy the fact that there are kids that are not just sitting around a PlayStation on the weekend, they're all doing something.

That's awesome.

Exactly, right.

Well, Jimmy, lots of our youth are involved in high school sports all across the state.

W-I-A-A, you always keep track of that for us.

You do some coaching yourself in addition to, you know, it's pretty much you, Phil,

W. R. C. O. And Chad Holmes up at W. X. C. O. Wausau.

The three of you are always on the air calling something, and I always appreciate you coming on and updating us.

Tell us what the big stories are coming up here at W I. A. A. For our high school athletes here in 2025.

You know, this is a big week for the WIAA.

It's the annual meeting and this is where the memberships, the member schools gather at Stevens Point or virtually and they get to vote on a number of amendments and do their, like any other organization that has an executive board, you know, your business meetings.

So you go through your minutes, you go through your business stuff, you know, your awards announcements, et cetera.

But the five amendments are usually this year anyway, the amendment portions usually withdraws the most attention because these are the proposed changes that have gone.

through the various committees, the Board of Control, and everything else.

They have to go through three or four levels to get to a point before they're in front of membership.

And there are five amendments on the table this year.

And one of them is going to be, I think, pretty familiar because it was on the agenda last year.

the exact same form, and that is name, image, and likeness.

Now, Todd, you know, in college, we've seen what this has done in college, right?

This has created bidding wars for top players or not even top players, just random players to be out.

I mean, there's thousands of kids at the transfer portal, like right now, waiting to go to a new college.

The way it's being done in high schools, though, across the nation.

is a lot different than the college model.

And Wisconsin's actually one of the last states to adopt this.

I think there's only seven states that haven't adopted some form of NIL policy at its membership level, you know, their state association level.

So Wisconsin's a little bit behind the game.

They were last year too.

I think 33 states at this point last year had, I think this year it's a little over 40.

I don't

know if there's

conflicting numbers, but it's right around 42.

So Wisconsin's one of the last seven or eight states to actually have this policy.

So membership will vote this year.

It failed last year.

mostly because a lot of administrators got up to the mic, and so they didn't have enough time to educate their stakeholders, their coaches, their communities about the impacts of this and what it would mean for them locally.

Well, now we've had a year in two months.

We've had 14 months to consider it.

And the expectation just based on people I talked to being at the football coaches clinic earlier this month, the general feeling is that this is going to pass this time.

Because if it doesn't pass this time, there are a couple

of states where it also failed in its membership.

And then the state legislature got involved.

And you don't want the state legislature getting involved.

It's something like this.

And let's just kind of set the table a little bit for those listeners who might not be sports minded when we hear NIL or name and we just like this.

For that, in my opinion, we've had Brady Ewing from Richland Center, former Wisconsin Badger football player, and spent three times, three years on the NFL talk about this, that when Brady was playing, you chose a university out of high school or whatever, and then you stuck with it for four years.

If you wanted to transfer to a different one, you had to sit out from play on the field for a year and then you could do it.

And of course, back then players couldn't even accept, you know, literally a bottle of water from a recruiter because that had a value and you could have all kinds of penalties.

Now, of course, and partly thanks to what Nigel Hayes at Wisconsin and the basketball program years ago for bringing this up.

Now the courts have ruled.

Players could get basically endorsement deals and everything else and they can transfer at almost any time and not sit out So that's what we're talking about that has changed the college scape and a lot of people Jimmy are fearful that if you bring that into Wisconsin high schools that suddenly now

bigger schools say, you know, a private school like Notre Dame out in Green Bay, which has a lot of money, that they're going to poach a kid that's playing in Shawno, let's say 30 miles away, and say, hey, come to our school, we'll give you a cash and a brand new Chevy truck.

Is that the kind of stuff that we could potentially see in Wisconsin High School sports?

Quick anecdote, Brady Ewing, by the way, his sons are in the same soccer league as my son

is,

so I actually sat next to him on Saturday

watching soccer

in Richland Center.

He's a great guy.

He comes on this show.

We love him to death.

And his brother Brandon, so yeah.

Anyway, it's a quick

anecdote.

That's funny.

He brought him up.

Anyway, there's a couple of things that I want to call attention to here.

And that, first of all, in college, yes, the rules are very loose.

So like, you know, transfers.

There are students that are transferring to four different schools in their high school, which are

college, I

should say.

You have college, not high school, college career, which is pretty crazy.

In high school, they have a couple of things that are gonna slow this whole thing down and make this a little more restrictive.

First of all, there is a transfer rule in Wisconsin where if your parents don't move, they don't physically move into a new district, you actually have to sit out a year too.

So there is a high school transfer rule where you have to sit out a lot of times.

a parent will move, get an apartment in whatever city they're going to.

If it's really going to be for athletics, they're probably just going to rent an apartment or something, right?

The people with means to do this would probably just do that, right?

That's kind of the doom and gloom scenario of people who are against this.

But typically, if you transfer, you can't just open and roll in a new district.

and just play right away.

There's a transfer, especially for older students, there's a transfer rule that restricts that.

You can still play JV.

You can't play varsity level sports when you transfer.

So that's one part in which the WIAA sort of restricts that player movement piece.

But the other part of it, the NIL piece, the way that it's drawn up in Wisconsin, and by the way, you'll be able to, you'll see the full amendment piece up on our civic media websites.

And you can also visit the WIAA website to fully grasp the language of this, but the NIL thing,

case in Wisconsin is very restricted because the, you know, first of all, a student can't represent their school, their sport, their conference with the WIAA and any NIL advertisement or marketing.

So if I'm a student athlete and I'm playing football, I can't be sitting there holding a football in front of the high school or anything.

You have

no association with your school teams or any of that stuff.

So that's your personal brand, so to speak.

That's it.

It's just you.

So people recognize your name, image and or likeness.

That's, that's

value, right?

The other part of this too is that, um, you know, coaches, school members, anybody who has, um, donated money to a booster club or to the school in any capacity, you're not allowed to contribute to NIL.

So this is the

big

part that has people conflicted is that if you've ever donated to the program in some way, whether it's been through a bake sale or a cash donation or anything like that, any way they can track it, you're not allowed to contribute to NIL for a, for a high school student athlete.

This is the piece that really restricts, um,

where the money's going to come from.

So in your example, if a school program is like, Hey, we got a, we got a vehicle, we're going to give to this student athlete that come, you know, come over here and play soccer for us or something

like

that.

That just isn't going to happen because a lot of the people already involved in high school athletics are already donating time and money to programs.

So there's going to be

it's going to be a very interesting way to see how people kind of work through that.

I know that the WIAA has signed up with an NIL collective to sort of help this, but another part of it too is that like coaches and school staff, anybody that works for a school, even a volunteer like me.

You can't be an agent.

You can't refer people like, you know, to NIL deals.

So there's a lot of different restrictions on NIL in Wisconsin where it's not going to be this free flowing deal.

Like it is in college athletics, high school athletics.

I feel like with the restrictions in place are pretty well protected, especially the rule on donations.

That really restricts the pool of potential NIL endorsements.

And we're talking to Jimmy Cusco, stomach media sports director about name, image and likeness, possibly, possibly coming to Wisconsin.

here.

Uh, one more question I have just as a, I don't know, I find it fascinating, but let's say you have, uh, Joe's Dodge Ram dealership and Joe Smith is the one who donates and, you know, $1,000 a year to put their name up next to the scoreboard and the football field.

But Joe has a partner and, and so the partner, the husband, the wife, whoever it might be of Joe, they

Are they eligible to donate?

So it's not the actual person, it's not the same person, but it's someone who might share a bank account or have access to it.

Yeah, that would make the student athlete ineligible.

The rule, it's not this big sprawling legal definition, right?

But typically a family is considered part of that.

Especially if they share finances or co-own of business, that would fall under this pretty easily.

all right

and and who's an easy answer i don't want to smell a lot of time i'm not a legal scholar i'm not a

legal mind but it's

the way it's

written it's it's pretty clear

because you and i both know when these things happen there's always going to be someone who finds a way around it and i think from people i've talked to you you know you know better than anybody else

There are certain there might be what a dozen?

I guess you go basketball and football, the two big sports.

There might be 25 athletes throughout Wisconsin and girls and boys sports that are the rock stars.

And the fear is that those kids are going to end up with big and I L money.

And on those teams, it's kind of going to be like, well, Joe or Jane gets all that, but I and it's just going to create bad feelings.

Yeah, there's going to be an equity in this.

And I really, I think this rule is really designed for the .01% of high school student athletes that are probably going to a division one college.

They're going to compete at the highest level, maybe they're going pro.

You know, this is really what this is geared around.

The numbers that they cited for ineligibility cases at the WIAA in the last year's meeting, so it would be for like two or three years ago, it was a little over a dozen kids would have been eligible under the current.

proposed NIL rules.

So we're talking about a really small number of students that are probably affected by

this.

All right.

All I care about is when this is a legal, uh, I'm going to help sponsor, uh, Parker Klein basketball because all he wants is custard from Culver's doesn't want money.

Just wants a free dish or custard and I, and I, and I deal with Culver's and I'm his agent.

And I get nothing on with you.

A couple minutes left before the first break, Jimmy.

Uh, give us another point here that we'll come back and discuss it.

Sure.

I think the one that might affect the people that have students that are actually playing sports is that there is an amendment on the table for this week that's going to be voted on that would free up summer context.

So summer context is when a coach can actually

Instruct a student athlete outside of season, outside of sport, whatever, from June 1st to July 31st.

So in the past, it's been five days.

You have five days.

And what constitutes coaching contact, it doesn't have to be an organized practice.

It's something as simple as if you're, say, a coach supervising a weight room session, and the kid is like, hey, how do you, how do you shoot a free throw, right?

You want to show a kid how to shoot a free throw.

And you go, and he's like, oh, you got to get your knees, you got to get your shoulders squared, and your release point is here.

That's a coaching contact day.

So you lose a whole day for that sport, for coaching contact,

and you show

one person how to shoot.

a free throw.

So the rules proposed because the gray area in this is that the enforcement isn't up to really the WIAA.

They don't have people hanging out in gyms during the summer.

They don't have people at fields during the summer making sure that are you a coach?

Are you a coach?

Are you on this team?

They're not doing that.

It's all reported by the schools.

It's self-reported.

And the way the rule is intended, I think anyway, is that it's going to free up some of the headaches that administrators at schools have to deal with in determining whether it's coaching contact or not coaching contact.

That's really the crux.

of it is that they're trying to lessen that load on administrators.

But as I learned at the coaching clinic, the football coaching clinic earlier this month, there are a lot of feelings both ways on this one.

And I think this one, not NIL, but I think this one will probably be the most contentious vote at the annual meeting this Friday.

Yeah.

And of course we're talking about, you know, contact in terms of, of reaching out and helping a kid, not, not like football contact or whatever.

But no, no, it's like kind of practice though.

Right, right, right.

It's something as simple as like, no, you kick a

soccer ball at the inside of your foot.

That's a coaching

contact.

It's a late,

great, a vitus rip.

My football coach from Michelle's Center, we're still around.

I'm sure he would look at this and say, aw, geez, no contact.

He might as well go play soccer.

Yeah.

He was not a fan of soccer back in the day.

All right, we'll come back.

Talk to Jimmy Cuscomore about sports.

You'll listen to Todd Albault's show on the Civic Media Ready

Network.

having fun doing it.

Nobody more fun that civic media than our sports director, Jimmy Cusco.

He joins us from Boscow, Wisconsin via stream yard talking sports before we get back to the W I a annual meeting, Jimmy.

Uh, some, uh, some you fielded, you fielded questions already here.

Dan in Warsaw living listening up there.

Well, he's listening on W. A. U. K. But he is in Warsaw.

He says we need a shot clock in a high school basketball yesterday.

The WIAA probably knows it, but doesn't change it obviously.

Jimmy, what do you say?

Beginning of the school year, the WIAA Board of Control, which by the way is made up of mostly administrators from around the state, they voted against it.

So again, this year, but I will say this, there are a lot of schools that have, you know, if they've managed to pass the facilities referendum and it included a gym, they have added the shot clock to it.

And that includes right here in Bosqueville.

There's a shot clock ready to go for when.

the state actually adds it because Wisconsin is like other things among the last holdouts for it.

Shot clock is split almost 50-50 among high schools in the state, but Wisconsin will be there.

Its neighbors are already starting in various stages.

It'll be here.

It just, it might not be for a few years.

I don't know the answer to this question.

That's why I'm asking it.

But the AAU, the non-WIAA leagues, do they use a shot clock?

I think it depends on the venue they're in.

Um, you know, some venues have it and some don't, especially here in Wisconsin, but they're typically using college venues.

I think they do a lot of tournaments do it.

Like, I know in Illinois, when they launched this, they started with just like holiday tournaments and things just to kind of get used to it, to kind of work it in.

So if the venue has it, I think they do for the most part, but, um, I'll be honest, I don't follow a lot of AAU.

So that, I think that's more of a venue slash mutual agreement kind

of

situation.

I mean, I just think it makes sense.

I mean, who wants to stay there and watch the kid just hold on to a ball for 90 seconds or two minutes or whatever?

I mean, come on, you know, get with the times, folks.

All right, Jimmy, what else is coming up?

But you've got one, this one, I love this one involving the fans because I, for one, am sick and tired of these parents.

And this has gotten to the point where verbally abusive to the referees, to coaches, to kids, and it's about darn time we take these things on.

Tell us about it, Jimmy.

Yep, so the WIAA a few years ago put in a one game ban for anybody kicked out of a high school game.

If you're official, the game manager says you're out of line, you're out of here, you gotta miss one more game.

Well, that's staying put.

The amendment this year that's up for membership vote, and I think this will pass pretty easily, is that in addition to being kicked out for a game on top of the game you're in, one additional game from that venue.

You now have to take a sportsmanship course to the NFHS, which is the United States governing organization for high school sports, right?

You now have to take the sportsmanship course.

You got to do it online, obviously, but you have to take it, have the certificate that proves you pass it before you let back into that venue.

First of all,

Awesome because fan behaviors out of line.

It just it

just

is I know this as a coach I had someone yelling at me about a special teams play I'm a volunteer I took my hat and my clipboard and I handed to him like if you want to do this I'm here for a long term my time you can do it

Fan never said a word to me after that for the rest of the year, right?

Honestly, Jimmy, I don't even call these people fans.

I mean, to your point, so many of our coaches, youth coaches especially, are getting nothing for this.

And sometimes they even use their own money to buy basic equipment for the team if the boosters don't come through or whatever.

Our officials aren't.

are, you know, they're not, they're not making big money.

They're getting a stipend at best to pay for a burger and maybe their gas to the thing.

And these idiot fans who, who are harassing coaches and are harassing officials and, and using profanity, I got no time for it.

None.

Zero.

Same I completely respect the work officials do even as a coach.

I'm not an official in our company We have one of the best officials in the state and that's that's

every

break.

Yeah, not even in it.

It's it's objectively He's one of the you just got an award for baseball up hiring.

Yeah

So, you know, we have a lot of people from all walks of life that are taking part as officials and sports as coaches Nobody in Wisconsin as a coach or an official taking a lot of money head coach in our district makes four grand a coach a football season, right?

That's that's nothing.

There's Texas you make a hundred and thirty five thousand

a little bit different, right?

Here, you got a few thousand dollars if you're on top of your teaching paycheck.

I really feel like anything that addresses fan behavior is a step in the right direction.

I

think this one passes almost unanimously.

If not, everybody's saying yes to it.

100% agree on that one.

A couple minutes left, Jimmy.

Where do you want to go?

Want to talk brewers?

Want to talk?

What else?

The draft's coming up.

What do you want to talk about?

You know, I think I mentioned the draft.

I think the NFL draft being in Wisconsin is a really, really big deal.

And I think.

You get a big event like this.

Green Bay's never getting a Super Bowl.

Let's put that out there, right?

Green Bay's not getting a Super Bowl until global warming makes it 80 degrees in February at Green Bay, right?

It's just not happening.

Coming

next year.

No, I'm just

kidding.

Yeah, a few years maybe.

We get the draft, and if you look at the transformation and everything that's gone into it, I know that...

You know, for us to host this kind of a big event, it's such a wonderful deal.

There's so much Wisconsin and Green Bay involvement in it.

A lot of community people, you know, people that couldn't travel all these other places, now get to experience a big NFL event right here in Wisconsin.

This is a really cool deal for us here, just as a sports community at large in Wisconsin.

I think it's free to get into.

So if people are going to go experience it, I would say go do it.

I don't know that we'll ever get this chance again in this generation.

So go experience this.

It's really cool.

We got our great sports reporter, Mike Clemens, who knows the Packers like the back of his hand.

that he's gonna be there the entire time, bringing us insight, interviews.

So really looking forward to Mike's reporting up there for the draft.

Yes, my Clemens will be there on site to get handling all that for us.

I've covered the NFL draft a few times in my career.

It's a really, really cool deal.

I just, I think that if you're a fan and you really want to check out something cool sports wise this month, the NFL draft is it.

Go, go check it out.

It's so much

fun.

Yeah.

Walk your brewers on the air tonight starting the eight 10 for the pregame show.

It's a late one because the air out west against the San Francisco Giants for what a four game series out there against the Giants.

Over the weekend, so great to see these young guys, Jimmy, on the Brewers, the Rookies, having big days.

And that's super cool, I think.

Yeah, there's a lot of people that were really worried about them at the early Rocky start to get a couple of blowouts.

Even the manager address, they've had like four big blowout games.

It's going to take some time.

They replaced a lot of pieces.

William Thomas going to San Francisco is a good example.

You have to figure out what you're doing on the left side of the infield.

You're pitching staff.

I think they overturned over half of their pitching staff, including the closer on the back end of it.

There's so much that has to come together for a baseball team to work.

The brewers don't have a budget to do this like other teams do where they just got to spend, spend, spend.

They're doing this.

it and they're figuring out their finding ways to be competitive through it.

A lot of credit to that and it is fun.

Brewers baseball is a fun experience any day you

go tonight at 8 10 for the broadcast pregame show on select stations across civic media.

Jimmy Cusco always a pleasure.

My friend have a great day.

Jimmy.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our pleasure.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

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It is six past the hour one o'clock.

Welcoming to hour number two on the big broadcast on this Monday, back to work, back to school, April 21st, 2025.

It is a great day.

to be a Wisconsinite, glad to have you along, overcast guys at the World Headquarters of Civic Media in downtown Madison.

Mr. Azamar is a little chillier today by Wednesday, sunny skies, maybe 70 degrees of Madison.

Perhaps.

I don't know.

It's not too chilly.

It's nice out, though, as long as you got a little jacket.

You will find me.

The chairs came out this weekend or on Friday at Memorial Union on campus here to be Madison, the sunburst chairs.

My favorite spot to chill out in nice weather in Madison.

And Easter weekend was fantastic.

Back home was a little time with the family back there.

Got to see everybody.

Good time was had by all.

Some great ham.

That was great.

Made my nieces, first time they'd had it, my paternal grandmother's recipe of rich man pie.

It's a very simple rich man pie.

It used to be called poor man pie back in I guess in the depression era That's a recipe for my great-great-grandmother and it's basically just like a crust and butter and flour and sugar And vanilla and you bake that it's and they they thought it was spectacular And that's a very simple thing to make not very economical.

That's why it came out of the depression era

So always fun to pass down some of my maternal great-grandmother's recipe for rhubarb custard pie, which my mom and I still make.

That's getting ready.

The rhubarb's starting to come up.

It's that time of year.

I was outside doing a little gardening in moms and helped out with a little gardening mom, removing some of the dirt away from rose bushes and this type of thing.

I can report to you, our regular listeners know the groundhog is still

is still making his burrow under mom's back deck.

He has not been.

We're going to have to buy a new trap, a new live trap, because what we have is just is too rusty.

So that's the update of the ground dog.

The ground dog, much like Spectrum, is still a thorn in my side.

Let's get to this this hour.

Many thanks, by the way, to Matt Flynn and Jimmy Cusca in hour number one for being here.

gonna do what's worse in in a minute and Also talk a little bit about the Democratic Party leadership being arrested in your your thoughts on this I can't wait, but again the top story of the day and you know I grew up Methodist I'm I would say I'm non-denominational now my mom goes Lutheran Church But had Matt Flynn on a long time lifelong practicing Catholic and I think the passing of Pope Francis overnight gives pause He is a world leader after all

at the Vatican and of Catholics all around the world, I thought this was an interesting take online.

Comparing Francis to his predecessors, of course, Benedict, his immediate predecessor who focused on theological precision and was the first pope and forever to abdicate his position.

Before him, John Paul II, who emphasized doctrinal clarity.

Francis, though,

focused on encounter over enforcement, compassion over condemnation, dialogue over dogma.

This is one of his quotes.

I really like this from Pope Francis said, quote, I see the church as a field hospital after battle.

It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol at about the level of his blood sugar.

You have to heal his wounds, then we can talk about everything else.

I thought that was just so well said.

The metaphor reveals his leadership philosophy, meet people in their pain, heal first, judge later, go to the wounded rather than wait for them to come to you.

I just view him as a man of great compassion.

Former President Obama,

tweeted this out today.

He said, quote, Pope Francis was the rare leader who made us want to be better people in his humility and his gestures at once simple and profound, embracing the sick, ministering to the homeless, washing the feet of young prisoners.

He shook us out of our complacency and reminded us that we are all bound by moral obligations to God and to one another.

Today, Michelle and I are born with everyone around the world, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, who do strengthen inspiration from the Pope's example.

May we continue to heed his call to, quote, never remain on the sidelines of this march of living hope, unquote.

Former President Obama with his words today.

I would read a profound statement by the current president, but there is study.

He simply just said he was a good guy.

We're praying for him.

And he was very proud of himself this morning.

He announced that we were going to lower our flags to half mass, not mass, but mass in honor of Pope Francis.

So there's that.

I do question his literacy, but that's not new.

But anyway, for those Catholics around the world and everyone, we mourn the loss of a man who I think tried his best as we all do at whatever station we are.

in life 12 minutes now past the hour one o'clock time once again for what's worse let's

go

Time once again for what's worse.

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All right, Zomers, timely, timely indeed.

As Mike Lucas likes to say because I think over the Thanksgiving weekend now I can tell you either Why do I this is like the fourth time in three days?

I have referred to Easter is Thanksgiving.

What's going on?

I Don't know.

I don't

know.

There's no explanation Clearly I must have really enjoyed Thanksgiving this year which I did Anyway, we spent a lot of people a lot of folks over the Easter holiday

spend time with family and friends.

And so you're usually a larger group that we normally would be.

Sometimes you're sitting closer to people than you normally would.

I will tell you, I did not have this experience this weekend, but some people might have.

What's worse?

Here's the category.

What's worse?

Bad breath or bad body odor.

Bad breath or bad body odor.

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It's what CBS is gale king calls a deal the civic media app get it today I'm laughing because I was just put up the on the stream on Facebook YouTube Twitter X Our we have we have a graphic for this on the stream for what's worse and on the bad breath side

I thought that was Arnold Schwarzenegger first by Joe.

No, it's

not.

It's somebody else.

I don't know who it is, but it's not.

It's like two politicians, and they're basically greeting each other in suits, two guys, and they're kind of forehead to forehead, very, very close.

For bad breath.

They can spell the breath.

On the body odor side, when I first saw this graphic, I thought it was a woman doing her body in half.

Oh, I see how you saw that.

You know what I mean?

But no, it's not it's not that it's it's a woman smelling a Supposedly I guess the guy can see the back of his head in the mirror shot.

I guess her husband's underarm

Right up in

there right up in there.

I don't know anybody who does that by the way.

I'm not sure it's a real shot by the way anyway bad breath or bad body odor Have you been in these types of situations before his arms?

Most certainly.

I mean well anybody who went to junior high and

high school definitely

experienced these before kids learn what deodorant is Which that's understandable,

right?

You know what you puberty and all that sort

of

thing

Yeah, so I don't fault people in that category.

No, it's when you have adults who should be well adjusted right and either never brush their teeth or never shower or anything well recently I was playing board games with some people and one of them came from work and

Uh, I think he needs new shoes.

Um... It did

not smell good.

That's foot odor.

Which I guess is a form of body odor.

It's a specific

category.

It's

a specific category.

You're absolutely right about

that.

But he knew when he was like, yeah, sorry, I...

Yeah.

Wait, if you know and you steal that, that's... You gotta do something about that, man.

I mean, you can at least buy, I mean, if you don't have money to buy new shoes, there are, there's like foot powders or sprays or something that will help dramatically to neutralize that odor.

Yeah, well...

I imagine he'll be coming back another time, so we'll see.

I'll let you know how that situation develops.

What's

worse, bad breath or bad body odor?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Let's go to the phone lines.

Brian in Milwaukee, listening on WAUK.

Brian, bad breath or bad body odor, what's worse?

I'm gonna have to go with body odor.

Any particular reason, any recent bad

experiences?

Bad experience.

I had a co-worker once who I don't know if she, I mean, she showered, but I don't know because every, every time we worked with, with this person, it reaped the whole shift and even after the person left the area.

That's what it hangs in the air, right?

They call that, it just hangs in the air.

Right.

I mean, at least it was bad breath.

You can grab some mouthwash or a mint or something like that, but there was no amount of for

breeze.

That's a great line.

Uh, no, I know what you're talking about.

I'm here all day.

I appreciate it, Brian.

Thank you so much, Brian in Milwaukee.

What's worse, bad breath or bad body odor?

Boy, that's, I mean, because I think we've all been there like where we wake up, you know, in the morning or running late and there's one day you don't take a shower.

But that there also is chronic people.

That's just our ongoing contributor, Jeff Perry on Facebook says, are you referring to me?

No, Jeff.

No, Jeff and I worked together a long time.

I don't ever call Jeff having either bad body odor or bad breath.

You know, we weren't going to say your name.

You

called

yourself

out.

Eight five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two mark in prayer to sack mark, bad breath or bad body odor.

What's worse?

Well, some, this is some years ago when I was still working.

And there was a guy that you could tell who it was before you even turned around and

saw him.

Oh, really?

That

distinct.

Eight feet away from the guy, and just, I don't know what the guy's problem was, but it was just something else.

I mean, it was just pretty wretched.

That's where the paint and the walls is starting to peel.

All right, we'll kill on back a little bit more.

What's worse, bad body odor or bad breath?

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uh category right now what's worse bad breath or bad body odor eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two what's worse bad breath or bad body odor

Uh, let's go to the text line here.

Got several of those, uh, several of those, uh, coming in right now on the old text line, bad breath or bought bad body odor.

Megan listening in some prairie on WMDX says body odor, bringing back bad memories of anime conventions.

Now, thanks, Todd.

Well, we try J listing in Eau Claire on WCFW, the tap up on the valley, chipwall valley says, I think.

Body odor is worse or by as far worse I've gotten in a car with a bunch of teenage boys to a football game and it stinks so bad Yeah, back in the days when I used to run a church youth group.

Yeah, there were there were guys that Yeah guys take a shower But yeah, I can't to your point earlier zombers at that age

bodies are changing everything.

You kind of like, you know, they don't always sense that.

And so you kind of give them some grace.

But I mean, once you're a true adult, I mean, come on, you know, unless you're running late occasionally or whatever.

But sometimes there's a

medical reason in

which case you should do something

about

it.

Right.

If you have chronically terrible breath, you need to see a dentist, for example.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Or I mean, a mouthwash,

right?

Or just

well if

it's always like absolutely rancid

you

should see

it

and just because there could be a deeper problem

I'm not gonna say who by once knew someone Not a close friend, but this was more of someone told me this story from their family that someone Because I think the medical term is halitosis.

Yeah,

halitosis and the the guy had

at bad halitosis.

And so he finally got engaged to a girl.

And the grandfather said, well, he's just lucky because with halitosis like that, I don't think he'd ever get married.

It happens.

It happens.

Tyler in Columbia County.

So listen, on WMDX says the.

Oh, he was calling it earlier about what Jimmy Cusk and I were talking about the shot clock in high school says the added cost of wiring is what has prevented some of this from doing it, but also the added personnel needed for it.

It isn't helping it with budgets for the shot clock.

Well, that's a great point, Tyler.

Very good point, actually.

Any other things do we have here on

what's worse?

L.A.

Tom says, I lost my sense of smell from COVID, but the worst is bad breath.

Woke up with someone who had bad breath and it was the last day.

Isn't

that the truth, right?

Isn't that the truth?

When you're dating someone that has bad breath.

Yeah, especially like if you've been dating an individual for a while and you like have there's a certain amount.

I think, I mean, let's just say it.

Let's just be honest.

Like I think in dating life, the point that you reach the comfort zone is when you can fart in front of each other and not have it be embarrassing.

I guess I'm just comfortable with everyone then.

I wouldn't recommend that on a first date, but if I got a fart I can't not fart Yes, you well, let's not go too far down that path, but there's some control I think over that I'm not gonna rip a massive one, but But I think with Tom LA Tom brings up a good point if you're dating someone and they just you know I don't know if the brush isn't breath isn't fresh.

That's that's tough

That's really tough.

What's worse, bad breath or body odor.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Still taking a couple things off the text line there, but yeah.

Well, do you have a preference, Zomers?

What do you think, bad breath or body odor?

I

mean,

I think bad breath, when it's truly terrible, usually makes me want to gag more.

That's a good point.

But I don't know.

Yeah, I think it can be easier to get away from but when you're trapped in a one-on-one conversation I think that the the worst bad breath is worse than the worst body odor So I'm gonna say bad breath is worse

now.

That's a great at least I've smelled the worst bad breath is worse than the worst body odor at least from what I have smelled now I am okay with that now on the flip side in and this is a Broadcasting what a one thing because when you're a broadcaster, I mean

everybody's different.

So whether it's bad breath or bad body odor or perfumes and colognes.

That's the other one that's for me.

When you're, you know, if you're not in, if you're, if you are in broadcasting, you just, that's, you don't wear cologne or perfumed to work.

It's just because people's throats can get sensitive or whatever.

So I will say that over, or a lot of perfumer cologne sometimes is actually worse than body odor.

And also Matthew McConaughey,

He's one of these guys who like doesn't shower that often because he likes his, he likes his own scent.

As the kids say, low key, I've dated a couple of guys that like not like days or whatever, but like just a little bit of that like natural scent.

Not the worst.

It can be good.

As long as it's not overpowering.

Right.

I mean, I'm not talking about some guy that doesn't shower for a week or something like that.

But I think, you know, and I think when you date someone, male or female, I think everybody has right.

That's why you do dogs, right?

Everybody has their own unique scent.

It was a little bit natural that that's one thing.

If it's just gagging, that's that's I don't know.

A listener on WMDXSGs, guys, pick a less gross topic.

Well, I don't know, I think it's also real world.

We're very real here with people.

Bad breath or bad body odor, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.

I'm gonna say, if I had to choose, I think you're right, I'm gonna go with Yuzalba's bad breath.

Bad breath, ultimately, at its worst, is worse than bad.

When I've been around people with bad body odor,

I could usually kind of just breathe shallow or shallow and get through it.

But boy, if you're right in a direct conversation, someone with has really bad breath, that ain't good.

Peel the paint off the walls, as they say.

All right.

Well, that was a fun addition.

That was a fun addition of what's worse.

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We'll come back, tell you what tomorrow's show is for Earth Day.

Very excited about that.

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