On The Future Of Due Process In America (Hour 2)

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On The Future Of Due Process In America (Hour 2)

The Todd Allbaugh Show · Thu Apr 17, 2025

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It is six past the hour of one o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two.

of the big program Thursday, April 17th, 2025.

Glad to have you along.

And it's a great day to be Wisconsinite overcast skies right now.

Maybe some rough weather in parts of Wisconsin overnight, large hail, some winds possible tonight into early tomorrow morning.

So keep it tuned here to Civic Media.

We'll update you as that goes along.

Then a nicer day, I think maybe on Saturday, Sunday for Easter Sunday, it looks a bit like a

a partial washout in parts.

So get your Easter egg in early.

And the price of eggs, I mean, my goodness.

The bunny.

Use the plastic ones.

Right.

Exactly.

Can't eat those though.

Or die.

I

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know.

Are you a big, uh, Zomers, you a big devil egg person?

Oh, deviled eggs are delicious.

Actually, that reminds me, I didn't even think about that.

I'm going to my grandma's for Easter and I forgot that she always makes deviled eggs.

And now you've reminded me I have something else to look forward to, aside from, of course, seeing my grandmother.

Todd Allbaugh

Oh, sure.

Absolutely.

I enjoy a good deviled egg over the Easter holiday.

They're delicious.

Looking forward to that.

Last night went down to Milwaukee and saw my friend and old broadcast partner, Kevin O'Connor.

Great to have see him.

We went to the five o'clock steakhouse in Milwaukee.

You haven't seen each other for 20 years or a partner.

You gotta have a steak and a glass of wine to celebrate.

Well, you might

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as well.

Yeah, we were, I mean, I think we almost closed the place down.

It was about a three hour dinner or so.

That's what I would expect from what I heard when you first talked to each other.

Like, there's lots of talk about it.

Todd Allbaugh

There was.

It was really, really fantastic.

And I think the takeaway, my takeaway from the evening was this.

Don't allow life to get in the way of spending time with people you care about and enjoy.

Because that's basically what happened.

There was nothing.

Nothing, we didn't defend each other.

Nothing was wrong.

It's just that, I mean, you know, he actually, Kevin actually has a life.

And he has a wife and kids as it turns out and he's doing great and of course works for University of Wisconsin Milwaukee doing all their branding and stuff like that And so I've been schlepping around up here doing my little thing and things you know But then when you take the time to sit down and you really know You know who your true friends are or the people you care about because you can let yours go by sometimes and you sit down at dinner and it was like it was yesterday

and you can just talk and freely, and yeah, that's my takeaway.

Here's Todd's advice for the day.

If there's a friend or somebody that you care about and you haven't picked up the phone or made a way to reconnect, do that, because life's too short, not to.

And many thanks for another great friend of mine, Carrie Pink, for making that happen, because it hadn't been for her setting up that great show we had down at University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, and telling Kevin to be on the show or asking him.

Who knows how much longer it would have gone.

So Kevin, Kevin may join join us soon here on the show and that will be fantastic.

Looking forward to that.

Coming up this hour, we're going to talk about the immigration issue of disappearing people and throwing them out of the country has come closer to home.

Story to date in the daily Cardinal here at UW Madison, federal judge temporarily blocks Trump administration from canceling visa.

deporting international UW Madison student.

I'm going to talk about that a little bit.

And also the federal budget Congress on a recess, Easter recess, but when they get back, lots to talk about.

We'll talk about all of that coming up this hour and take your phone calls as well.

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But right now, time once again for what's worse.

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Timely, timely indeed, as Mike Lucas likes to say, because with everything going on in the world, sometimes we feel bad for people.

We pity them.

And then other times we're like, ah, who cares?

Or as my friend Jonathan likes to say, I care, but not enough to do anything about it.

We still, I want to make that a segment.

I care, but not enough to do anything about it.

I'm working on that.

All right, today's category, what's worse, pity or ambivalence?

Pity or ambivalence?

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What's worse pity or ambivalence 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 go out to the old hometown the driftless Richland Center on W R C E Whistler in Richland Center whistler pity or ambivalence.

What's worse?

And there's one of course, I mean, I don't understand people should just have this pencil

what's right what's wrong and if something's going wrong you have to have you have to think about it and if you don't think about it and talk about it then you know that's what ambivalence is you know where pity is oh gee that's too bad that happened oh well i'm not really sure con but you know that's kind of the way i look at it

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all right

I appreciate that very, very good whistle.

I appreciate that.

Thank you very much for listening out there on WRC 855-752-4842 855-752-4842.

What's worse?

Pity or ambivalence?

Our ongoing contributor and friend watching on Facebook, Jeff Perry.

What's worse, he says, I feel sorry for you, Todd, because I just don't care.

I knew, I knew Jeff was going to say something, something like that.

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That's fantastic.

And I looked forward to it.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah.

As we always do.

And I think with pity, it means if you feel, feel sorry for somebody, right?

Ambivalence, as it's defined, is the state of having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something or someone.

So if you're just ambivalent, you're going, I really don't care.

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Mary in Mount Horrib, listening on WMDX says, if I'm ambivalent, you mean not caring?

Definitely ambivalence, as that is something that has got us into where we are today politically.

Well, that's a good point.

Well said, Mary out in Mount Horrib.

Yeah, sometimes if we don't care about our friends and neighbors, leads us down.

That's a great path eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two Let's go to the phone lines Karina listening on WAUK in Milwaukee Karina pity or ambivalence was

worse

the old word because I can't pronounce

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that and I

can't pronounce it before I can't pronounce it so it's the old word and I think it's because it's like almost bipolar come on make your mind it's very confusing it's the mixed signals either you do it or you're not

You know pity it's okay.

I mean everybody allowed to feel sorry for someone maybe too much sorry or maybe Whatever degree of sorry you might feel but it's a passive aggressive.

It's all half ass down.

No I

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appreciate it.

Thank you very much Karina.

Thanks for calling in I dug deeper because you know, I enjoy words and sometimes we use words incorrectly.

So here's here.

It says being ambivalent

doesn't mean that you don't care.

It means you have contradictory or mixed feelings about it.

You do care, but you're torn.

Kind of like I said before, I care, but not enough to do anything about it.

That's, that's ambivalence.

I care, but not enough to do anything about it.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Tom in beautiful Madison here in the 608 listening on WMDX.

Tom, pity or ambivalence.

What's worse?

Well, I think today I'm thinking about ambivalence more than anything else.

Your guest was talking about her constituents being worried about the price of eggs and the economy.

And I get that because I don't make a whole lot of money.

But on the other hand, we've got a twice-in-beach cellan who's talking openly about sending U.S.

citizens to a prison camp in South America.

One might think that would be a little bit of an issue that people would care about.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah, yeah, right?

I think that's a good practical example.

That's a good practical example, Tom.

When people are like, ah, who cares if we don't follow the Constitution?

We'll just send people out of the country without due process.

That's ambivalence, right?

I appreciate the call, Tom.

Thank you so very much.

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What's worse, pity or ambivalence?

Tony watching on the YouTube says, ambivalence is way worse.

With pity, they at least care a bit, and you can turn it around and make things better.

Well, that's a good point, Tony.

Like, oh, I feel so bad for my grandma.

My grandma all the while used to say, well, for pity's sake.

Just for pity's sake, but oh it feels so bad for him.

I will say Well on the other side, I'll provide an argument not necessarily that I agree with but that I've heard for why pity is worse All right, why is that on the other side?

There's not enough time

Todd Allbaugh

All right, got it.

Well, come on back.

We're going to talk, wrap up What's the Worst Sports Day and also talk about a University of Wisconsin Madison student who is targeted by the Trump administration, getting set to graduate and want to pull a visa.

It is not great.

Back after this, the all-ball show at 7 p.m.

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started.

Having fun doing it welcome back to the title ball show on the civic media radio network 21 now past the hour one o'clock zombers on the board it is Thursday April 17th or what's worst segment today asking the question of the day pity or ambivalence pity or ambivalence pity of course just kind of feel sorry for someone right but ambivalence is defined is doesn't mean that you don't care

It just means you have contradictory or mixed feelings about it.

I'm not caring at all would be indifferent or episodic sure so you do care, but

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you're torn so I care But not enough to do anything about it.

I Love that phrase.

I don't know why

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Dana in La Crosse, listening in says Sebastian Gorka.

is trying to create ambivalence around the immigration issue.

He says anyone who sides with these quote unquote illegal terrorists could be considered as quote unquote aiding and abetting under the Alien Enemies Act.

And then therefore Americans could get disappeared.

This is very dangerous talk.

Yeah, it is Dana.

We're gonna get into that in just a little bit here on the show on a more serious note.

The Zomers, you want to weigh in on what's pity or ambivalence, Zomers?

Yeah, although I guess this is a little bit more pity versus apathy.

And I get that apathy and ambivalence are not exactly the same thing.

But

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anyway.

It's a bit.

Go

ahead.

I know.

That

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Miriam Webster's convention

here.

I've known a lot of people who...

would rather have almost any emotion felt towards them except for pity.

People who, um, for example, I know somebody who is disabled, who anytime somebody looks at them and talks like them with pity, it's like, well, you think I'm less than and I don't need that.

Just let me be myself, get out of my way kind of thing.

Todd Allbaugh

No, I think that's very, I mean, yeah, that's a great example of, right, you don't want to be pity.

Normally people want to be looked at as equal to or, or I might be different, but.

Don't pity,

right?

Overall, though, I think ambivalence.

Personally, I think it's worse because of all the reasons people have said it just creates an action.

It leads to where we are today politically.

Pity or

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ambivalence, what's worse?

855-7524842, 855-7524842 or text us on the Civic Media app and off the app, Jack in Merrimack.

listening via W.A.U.K.

says, ambivalence is by far the worst.

It leads to the, well, it's not going to happen to me, so why should I care attitude?

It's ambivalence that's gotten this into the current governmental situation, signed Jack from Merrimack.

Great point, Jack, as always.

I think there seems to be a theme here today that when we're ambivalent and we don't care or we care but not enough to do anything about

it,

That's when bad things happen.

It fits very well with our first hour.

We had two guests who are not ambivalent and are all about listening to people and doing what's best for them.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah, absolutely.

Continue to call in or text in on today's what's worse, again, pity or ambivalence.

What about you?

What's worse?

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.

I don't know.

I want to answer but I'm not sure I really do.

No, I would say I agree ambivalence is worse because of the reasons that you and other people stated it just It leads to inaction a lot of times and I think it's easy to pass people on the street.

It's easy to pass Figuratively pass things politically and say well, it doesn't affect me so I don't care or I don't care enough to do anything about it

And it doesn't mean we'll all have to go out and march in the streets or anything like that.

Although there's a peaceful demonstration I'm fine with.

But vote number one, right?

I've said this 100 times on the show.

I just don't have any respect for people who don't vote.

I just, especially people who don't vote and they want to gripe about the outcome.

I've talked to people like that.

Well, who'd you vote for?

Well, I didn't vote.

I just don't believe in the system.

Well, then let's just end the discussion right here.

You have to vote.

You have to participate in my opinion to have an opinion on an election or outcome.

So don't be ambivalent to the point where you're just like, oh, it doesn't matter.

I'm not going to vote for anybody.

No vote in every election.

Again, I was legal age to vote 18.

I don't know.

I haven't kept track.

I would say I've missed less than 10 elections.

Including like primaries and everything else because I was I'd forgotten once or twice or was out of town and didn't vote ahead of time But I really think it's important 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2.

Let's go quickly to the phone line Mark in prayer to sack mark pity or ambivalence.

What's worse?

Well, I think it's probably ambivalence and but I certainly have no no pity for Donald Trump who seems to be more and more Consortially challenged every day

because I've seen some of the pictures and he's he's pretty bald up top.

And if you're going to get a better rug or just to shave it off and and and quick fooling us with it because it just looks sad.

Todd Allbaugh

This is very interesting, Mark.

This is very interesting because talking to mom a couple of nights ago, she's she said, you know, his bald spot is getting a lot worse.

And what I've heard is he basically has one of the implants or whatever And then he lets it grow really long and he has the big swirl or whatever to to cover it up The

coma it just looks it just looks ridiculous because his hair colors like his skin color varies day by day, you know It's just it's just sad

right

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now.

It is sad bad not glad.

Thank you mark Appreciate you pity or ambivalence.

What's worse 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2?

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Tony on YouTube says continue to call in or don't.

I don't have strong feelings either way.

The jokester.

Tony today.

A little serious breaking news for you.

One on the sports scene, one on the news.

This from channel 3000.com.

Damian Lillard cleared for full basketball activity.

How about that is deep vein thumb boat thrombosis has been resolved so so dame is a clear to play for the bucks as the Playoffs approach that's good news for the walking bucks and from CBS news breaking news at this hour the United States Supreme Court Will weigh in on President Trump's effort to partially enforce his birthright citizenship or So here you go.

We talked about this before Donald Trump

going to the Supreme Court to take away the 14th Amendment right that if you're born in this country, you're an American citizen.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how is the play back after this on the civic media radio

network?

Todd Allbaugh

of the Civic Media Running Network, 34 now, past the hour of one o'clock on a busy Thursday, April 17th, 2025.

Zombers on the board, lost to get to this hour.

A couple of breaking news stories, both from Florida on the active shooter there at Florida State University.

There is a suspect in custody, according to reports there.

Also breaking news, the Supreme Court on the 14th Amendment.

And there's a US budget we're going to talk about, try to fit all that in this half hour.

But first of all, going to wrap up our what's worse for today.

pity or ambivalence dick on the phone line dick in madison eight five five seven five two four eight four two dick thanks for calling in let's wrap it up pity or ambivalence what's worse

i'm uh with ambivalence and i could not agree with mark more about that ridiculous bicentennial eagles nest on his head that is just absolutely ridiculous looking

In the ball spot, I think it's caused by he hit his head on a cabinet.

Right.

Like that walk.

Todd Allbaugh

Thank you, Governor Walker.

Yeah.

See,

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I just, I, I embrace my lack of hair.

Well, I'm not, I'm, I'm aging.

That's it.

That's all I can tell you.

He just can't realize how ridiculous he looks.

Right.

And can you imagine the amount of toxic stuff on that?

No, I cannot.

To keep it in place.

I

mean, when he goes on in a day like today, for instance, when it's windy, the big swoop would be all the way down to his, you know, right.

Todd Allbaugh

I appreciate it.

Thanks, Dick.

Have a great day in Madison on WMDX 36 now past the hour of what a clock what a catch up on a couple of breaking news stories here at this hour.

Turn to page on from CBS News at this hour headline.

Active shooter reported on the Florida State University campus.

A suspect is in custody now saying multiple people are hospitalized.

Several people are hospitalized with injuries after that active shooter was reported in the Florida state.

University campus earlier this afternoon.

CBS News Miami reports a suspect is in custody after being shot in an exchange of gunfire with police.

Police responded to the active shooter call from the area of the student union at 12 o'clock 1 p.m.

Eastern time.

Florida State University said the school said an alert warning to those on campus urging them to seek and shelter or shelter in place rather and await further instructions.

The university also also cautioned students to lock and stay away from all doors and windows.

Six people are being treated at this hour according to the latest reports in Tallahassee hospitals.

More to come soon.

There may be others.

One hospital said at least one person is in critical condition and others are in serious condition.

So, so far we know that six people were injured thus far.

There may be more.

We'll continue to follow this here on Civic Media and CBS News and ABC at the top and bottom of the hour as well.

Again, there is a person in custody after a shooting at Florida State University in Tallahassee today.

Our thoughts are with all of them down there in Florida.

And also, at this hour, according to CBS News, this is something we've been following for a while, the United States Supreme Court has just said that it will hear oral arguments next month on whether the Trump administration can partially enforce an executive order that seeks to end birthright citizenship while proceedings in a challenge to the directive move forward.

The court said in an unsigned order that arguments on the Justice Department's request for emergency relief will take place during the special sitting on May 15th.

The administration has asked the Supreme Court to limit the scope of three separate injunctions that blocked implementation of President Trump's order nationwide.

So to put that in normal terms, what's happening here,

is the Trump administration asking the US Supreme Court to do away with breaks that were put on by lower courts in implementing Trump's order nationwide.

And this has to do with the 14th Amendment, which basically says, if look, if you are a person that is born on US soil, you're automatically a citizen of the United States.

But a long time and now the Trump administration wants to do away with that Back to the story if the high court decides to grant the US Justice Department's request it would prevent the Trump administration From enforcing mr. Trump's birthright citizenship order only against the plaintiffs of the ongoing cases which are seven individuals

specific members of immigrants' rights groups and residents in 22 states.

Again, there's a lot of nuance to this.

And we'll continue to follow this and break it down for you.

But essentially, this is another step of Donald Trump and the Trump administration going to the US Supreme Court and pushing this, not wanting it to play out in the normal order of business in the courts.

And basically trying to call in his chits with, in particular, the three conservative justices that Trump appointed to the U.S.

Supreme Court saying, hey, we don't have time for this monkey and around.

Just tell us, and right now, that we can do this.

And wanting to go over and therefore set a precedent to go after certain individuals that were born here in the United States.

And therefore, whether their parents are citizens or not, they're American citizens, full bird American citizens.

But the Trump administration wanting to little by little nick that and eventually unravel and do away with birthright citizenship.

The dispute back to the story on CBS the dispute over the president's attempt to unwind birthright citizenship is the latest In which the Supreme Court has been asked to intervene with more requests expected get this more than a hundred cases That seek to knock down mr. Trump's second term policies have been filed since he returned to the White House just since January

and several have already made their way to the high court.

The president's executive order of birthright citizenship was one of the first that he signed on his first day of back at office and is among several directives that seek to target migrants who are in the US unlawfully.

Well, that's where you have to be careful about wording there.

Because under the Constitution, if you're born here, you're a US citizen.

We'll continue to follow that.

Closer to home, but still the same subject is from the Daily Cardinal.

Great publication from today.

Great reporter Gavin Escott from the Daily Cardinal at UW-Madison.

A federal judge has blocked President Donald Trump's administration from taking an action against an international student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison whose visa was terminated.

preventing the U.S.

government from deporting him or taking any legal action for at least two weeks.

Want to make this clear?

This individual is in the United States legally.

Fair and square.

In a 12-page ruling, according to the Cardinal, on Tuesday, Judge William Conley issued a temporary restraining order against the Department of Homeland Security, better known as DHS.

preventing them from terminating.

I'm not gonna name the person's name because even though it's in the story, I'm just not gonna name the name.

It's an international student who has a visa and imposing consequences including deportation until a preliminary hearing on April 28th.

This 21 year old UW Madison undergraduate student from India is expecting to graduate in May.

less than a month away.

It was informed that his visa was terminated on April 4th.

Judge Connolly contended the lack of due process time to contest the termination was sufficient by itself to establish irreparable harm.

Judge Connolly writes, quote, given the amount of time of the student's educational expenses and potential losses,

from having to leave the United States without obtaining his degree, the court concludes that the student credibly demonstrated that he faces irreparable harm for which he has no adequate remedy at the law in the absence of the injunctive relief.

Collin wrote, this student is among 27

current and former UW-Madison students and at least 40, 40 across the UW system here in Wisconsin who have had their visas terminated in the past month.

As of today, more than 600 international students and recent grads have had their visas revoked or legal status changed across the U.S.

and some students have been detained and deported.

by immigration, customs, and enforcement better known as ICE.

UW-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnuchin said during a faculty Senate meeting on April 8th, the university only learned about the terminations after the fact.

This is the country we're in, folks.

You hear all the time, right?

Particularly from the right.

Do it the right way.

Stand in line.

Don't cheat.

That's what the right likes to say.

And look, I'm all for the legal process, 100%.

Here's people that did that.

Here's people that did it the right way, that are here 100% legally, that have all the documentation.

Many of these foreign students, by the way,

are paying their own way.

Less than a month from graduation paid thousands of dollars to get a UW degree.

And now Trump's ICE and DHS wants to whisk these people away, cancel their visas for no apparent reason, no reasons given, not criminals, not been arrested.

Not threatening anybody not no crimes You wonder I mean what what and again you look at the we've seen the ice checklist To determine in Trump's world whether you're part of a gang And part of that is do you wear a Chicago Bulls hoodie?

Do you have a tattoo?

Are you roommates with somebody like this?

Check, check, gone.

Again, this is about due process and following the Constitution.

And if we don't have that, then none of us are safe.

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Let's go to Eau Claire, Gene on WCFW, the TAP, Gene.

Thanks for calling in.

We'll see you.

Well, thank you.

Great show to you guys.

And thank you for keeping everybody updated on what's going on in our country.

You know,

this is sick, vile and demented behaviors by these people.

And you know, Americans are judged by their leaders.

And I hope people don't support this.

And they call their representatives and say, this is not acceptable by us in this country.

I mean, this is the grossest thing I've ever seen those poor kids.

come here because they trust america they want to be educated in america they care about america and then we've got a guy up there i'm sorry but he's a criminal he was found criminally you know liable and here he is going like a fruitcake psychotic after people and after immigrants this is ludicrous guys

I don't know how people sleep at night.

This is a horrifying thing to watch happening in our country.

Thank you guys.

And you have a good weekend and thank you for the work you do.

Todd Allbaugh

Bye.

Thanks, Gene.

Appreciate your listorship.

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I've talked about it on this show before, but it's worth mentioning again.

I actually talked to Kevin last night at dinner.

He agreed that the most valuable part

of our college experience in the UW system wasn't what we learned in the classroom.

It was the exposure to people who are different than us and learning and listening and growing as an individual.

The constant winnowing and sifting of ideas whereby the truth alone may be found.

For now it's still in bronze.

on Bascom Hill.

Back after this is

Kathryn Lake

the Todd Allball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Todd Allbaugh

Welcome back to the Toddleball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network where it is nine before the hour of two o'clock.

At the top of the hour, ABC and CBS News updating you on the top story, Nationally of the Afternoon, a shooting on the University of Florida, pardon me, Florida State University, FSU campus in Tallahassee.

Multiple people are hospitalized, at least one critical.

It's a developing story.

CBS and ABC will continue to cover that for you throughout the afternoon.

Also,

Weather updates with our own Brit Emmerlow and others as we watch potentially some severe weather coming into parts of Wisconsin tonight into early tomorrow morning.

Heavy winds, strong winds I should say and large hail.

Are part of the possibility keyword possibility in some of these storms rain much needed rain So we'll take the rain but not so much the wind and the hail Brittany will continue to update us on that and then Mike Clemens our great sports reporter with what's going on Milwaukee Brewer's world and also as we approach the draft It looks like for Zabers.

It appears will be early Talby in Green Bay next week.

So that'll be fun.

Yeah

See how it looks and hear

how it

Todd Allbaugh

goes.

Yeah, very.

And Doug Moe, great author.

Doug Moe is going to be in tomorrow talking about a new book he has.

Excellent.

So looking to forge a chat tomorrow with Doug Moe.

Then after the news, whether it's sports, stay tuned for Maggie Dawn.

Another great Maggie Dawn show coming up after the top of the hour.

Pete Schwabba tonight from six until eight.

Right now, finishing up a little chat, great article in the Daily Cardinal.

by Gavin Escott, federal judge here in Madison temporarily blocking the Trump administration from canceling a visa of an international student at UW Madison who is set to graduate in less than a month.

And the Trump administration does not give any rationale, simply wants to throw them out of the country.

Judge Connolly here in Madison saying, not so fast.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Let's go on to San Francisco.

David and San Fran listening on the app.

We appreciate it.

David, we'll see you.

Oh, thanks, Todd.

Yeah, I was just gonna, I guess the first catchphrase I'd use is white trash can be billionaires.

Billionaires can be white trash, too.

But in the bigger picture, if you look back, I've got a whole bunch of different history books about whether it's the Inquisition or even older than that, there were eras where, I guess you'd say the Dark Ages, where they intentionally were trying to crush intellectuals.

They were intentionally trying to create such, they wanted to create a spoils economy.

Keep everybody starving so that they would be fighting among each other for a bean.

So I was just going to urge people to put together a local currency.

Both Ralph Nader and the old historian Howard Zinn have long talked about local currencies to get you through times when the money is going to be impossible.

And if you look at, for example, Germany between World War I and World War II, they had the hyperinflation.

where the only way that Hitler was able to get everybody to salute in unison was to screw with the money.

And

to have the inflation go so high that only the ass-kissers would get cost of living.

And if you were a rebel, if you were a person that just politically...

played neutral, uh, you would maybe get monthly cost of living, but this was the wheelbarrows full of money.

Yeah.

Todd Allbaugh

It's interesting idea, David.

Thanks for, thanks for calling.

Oh, some people talk about Bitcoin and stuff like that.

Not my cup of tea, but, uh, yeah.

I mean, certainly, uh, certainly interesting historical data there.

Uh, why don't you get to this quickly?

We'll, we'll, we'll sus in on a little bit more tomorrow.

This is from Lisa Deijar Jan, PBS news hour correspondent.

And this, maybe this is why Trump administration tried to get rid of all the funding, by the way, for PBS and national public radio and public broadcasting system.

Almost too commie.

Yeah, maybe this is what, maybe because they're telling the truth.

It's a little too close to home for Don.

Congress has gone for recess, but the weeks after the return will be intense.

We expect the president's budget outlining or he wants Congress to cut or eliminate programs to be key issue.

This reportedly could include the following gonna get a cup to a couple of these Trump wants a nearly 50% cut to the State Department's funding to cut this big means eliminating funding for international organizations such as the United Nations NATO among others also I know Ambassador Tom Barrett former Milwaukee mayor was on Earl Ingram show

Luxembourg ambassador to Luxembourg at one of the one of the embassies that Trump is looking to closing is Luxembourg Which according to mayor Barrett now would agree your ambassador Barrett only person that's gonna be happy is China Who is waiting to move in we've seen this happen in Central America and other places when the US pulls out guess who pulls in China also Republicans and Trump looking at eliminating

of Head Start, a federal program that operates in all 50 states and provides childcare and preschool education to low-income families.

Also on the cutting block, steep cuts to climate change at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, better known as NOAA, including dissolving the agency's research arm.

Not good news for Wisconsin farmers, by the way.

And finally,

A plan to rescind $1.1 billion with a B from the two-year budget allocation for the Corporation of Public Broadcasting, which funds local media stations who in turn provide funding to NPR PBS programming, including PBS NewsHour.

and Wisconsin Public Broadcasting, although I've heard more recently they've kind of seen this coming and focusing more on local funding, local raising here in Wisconsin.

Great show today.

Many thanks to Green Bay Mayor Eric Genrich for being here, State Senator Sarah Kieske and Mr. Zomber is, of course, all of you for listening and calling and tuning in.

Tomorrow, Doug Moe, you're not going to want to miss it.

See you then.

Todd Albaugh, say whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in.

Do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

See you tomorrow.

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