
of the show.
He's got a question.
Dave has
Perfect.
We can get this train rolling.
We
have a CDL.
Let's just get a semi.
limo
But you don't need a CDL to drive a limo.
I don't think so.
All right, well,
drive.
I'll drive.
You need
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I am really
Excited about this week's show.
like imagine you're at, I'm assuming we do what we're going to talk about at night, correct?
Uh,
yes.
And then, oh, ma'am.
Imagine showing up in a limo to do this, like your guide comes up in a limo.
The thing.
There's so many
are gonna get weird.
There is a lot of excitement
any of the stuff with
for gigging.
I wanna start,
Are there t-shirts?
Cooper.
Very my work
man?
No, I need to tell the listeners about a story, a little quick story that happened right before we started recording.
Megan's lover, Dave is here and he, what he found out about the gigging thing.
And a few days ago, he took it upon himself to start practicing.
So he found a huge.
Bullfrog.
So frog gigging is where you go out at night with headlamps.
There's spears or you can do them by hand.
You go out and you catch bullfrogs.
So there's a couple of ways you can do them in a Piro.
A Piro is like a
kayak if people don't know what that
does.
So I
a new version of P-Rose.
I have a kayak that we can go out to if we don't want to do it by shore or do it out on a boat.
You can go up and you will shine the light on the frog in its eyes like my phone is a frog.
and you will go up right behind it and grab it.
Yeah.
And then the frog and then you just throw it in the
experience in the
because he was wonderful.
He was
than a turkey caller at a
Like I feel like I would fall.
I would not breathe, and it would just ruin the whole thing, but I would laugh hysterically.
You go noodling, Danielle.
Yeah, but like, I'm just crawling down a leg or a frickin...
stick to go in there.
still my eyes are not open.
I'm looking at this frog dead of the eyes and just like
Oh, I'm not
in one of the many places that I lived, and this kid next door shot one in the eye with a BB gun, and the bullfrog lived outside my window, and it had this BB for an eye all summer long.
Megan, why don't you tell an adult about this?
I don't know.
What was my story come
back?
gave it a go though the foul life was in town we were filming for the national television show the foul life and travel wisconsin and we went to one of the best restaurants
in the state of wisconsin the tornado room in madison shout out to them and we had frog legs and i watching megan and i think there was a there was a lot of beer pressure uh
So there was no saying no.
Oh, that's right.
The camera was like right in my face.
But they actually were extremely tender and taste wise.
Like everyone says it tastes like chicken and it pretty much did, but better chicken.
But I seriously, mentally had to like talk myself through it.
Danielle.
Have you been
places that have frog legs?
hearing that restaurants serve frog legs.
Yes.
no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
All right.
Have you eaten frog legs?
No, you haven't tried them before.
I know you brought some.
I'm going to say, I think they taste like a combination between chicken and scallops.
They've got like a seafood-y kind of essence to them and that kind of texture.
They're more rich than chicken.
I absolutely love frog legs.
I put them right up there with some really decent alligator, some well-cooked alligator tastes similar to frog legs and kind of almost like grouper.
They've got like a grouper meatiness to them.
See the thoughts that I'm having is how
Are we eating these like a chicken leg?
Yeah.
Okay.
So in order to get these frogs, do I need a license?
So in the state of Wisconsin, it's the state, the Wisconsin state law for frog gigging is very up and down.
And that's one thing I'm trying to change.
You're trying to change?
I like this.
that.
Yeah, no
kidding.
So you don't need
a license, technically, to go frog-gigging.
I require it myself.
No, a fishing license.
get the frogs, because they have a limit on.
So in my eyes, if you have a limit on something,
you need a license.
That's a good thought.
Most wardens don't know anything about this.
When I applied for my guide license, the chief warden actually called me and said, what do you want to do?
So that was a big thing.
So you do have to do it on public waters.
So it is
So you can.
But if you wanted to do it guiding wise,
has to be.
on public waters, but if it's just a group of buddies, that's what I would do.
What is this limit?
Five.
Five.
Five.
total per person.
No, that day.
So
would probably be in
I like James.
Oh
The whole walk-in freezer.
Just
one and you never know
raised in the
I love this so much frog gigging champion
of the world of Wisconsin.
The best frog gigging guide in the entire state.
The only one.
Yeah.
James Cooper is here.
I tell me, James, James guides people frog gigging.
How in the ever loving hell did you start?
Yes.
So it dates back when I was a kid, my family, my grandparents lived in Louisiana.
in a pick in Louisiana and uh I lived in Ohio and we would go on vacation in the summers I'd be shipped down there to spend with my grandfather and my grandmother and
weird.
You need to learn southern ways of stuff, fishing,
It was awesome.
My uncle ran a campground.
Oh, jeez.
So like bait shops and
my uncle and my grandfather guided.
So
I kind
of grew up in it.
Boar hunting, gator hunting, fishing, duck hunting.
They did it all.
Wow.
So, growing up, there were certain seasons we were allowed to play outside, not because there was electronics, there wasn't nothing back in the day, but the copperhead.
I'm just a
baby.
He's still young.
But no, we would...
get snapping turtles, I'd do it all.
And then when I was about six to 13, I was allowed to start driving boats and fishing
stuff.
Yeah.
And, uh, but
my own Piro and it would, I would go out
and, uh, my grandfather's brother used a hand car paddle.
So
everything
was.
all handmade.
So
Cajun way.
That's how they say it.
Gumbo is my favorite thing.
I love seafood.
could eat seafood sushi for a whole nine yards my whole life.
That's a good diet.
Yeah.
But no, yeah, I grew up doing that.
And then when I turned 16,
And my high school years, sports took involved and I played a bunch of sports and I really didn't go travel back to Louisiana like I should have.
And then my grandparents passed away and
we moved them up and I haven't been back to Louisiana since.
But I still have a Cajun way, grew up on Lake Erie, walleye fishing and.
deer hunting, and then I took a job up here, a firefighting job up here, and I just started the Wisconsin outdoor
stuff.
So it's
been really...
It's plenty out there.
Crazy.
I started a YouTube channel, and then I had...
About frogs?
No, about waterfowl hunting, actually.
I just, a couple guys on the fire department, I was like, hey, you want to go frog-igging?
And they're like, what's that?
And I'm like, you.
So a bunch of grown man come up to your uniform, like you want to go for all the good.
So we take it out of the woods at
night.
So we went out.
One of the buddies has a private pond and we were gigging him.
And then like everything, someone sees headlights,
and the sheriff got caught out.
Yeah.
But we know one of the sheriffs was one of our friends.
And he's like, what are you doing?
I have some photos of some sheriffs.
Frog digging in
But no.
And then with your story of eating the first frog, one of our trainings, I made frog legs about 75 of them.
for the fire
No one ever had him.
I have one girl.
She does not eat seafood, meat, the whole nine yards.
I traded.
I tricked her.
Oh, I said it was a chicken wing and
She loved it.
did tell her
She wasn't that mad.
it
You can do them in like a jalapeno popper too.
And then you put some dove in it.
Just do a cutie board of jalapeno poppers.
No one will know.
being called back?
How do you feel
Frog Man's
better than Frog
Boy.
I might have to make a sticker of it, Captain.
I can
So, a lot of guys just call me Cooper Cooper or, but
frog.
called Cajun Boy a lot.
yeah, so I ran a YouTube channel and I had a lot of subscribers or a cake and you take me out doing this and I'm like well
I don't know.
I don't want to be a guide.
My family did, and then my uncle was like, you should do it.
Yeah.
And I was like, OK.
We like
him.
So I started a Halligan outdoor guide service.
Why Halligan?
Because I was a firefighter.
And the Halligan.
Bar opens the door to save
my motto is I open the doors to the outdoors for people.
I do a lot of stuff for veterans and stuff.
And first responders, it's always great to get out on the water after...
PTSD is a huge thing right now men's mental health, so
but
outdoors is a great gateway Oh, we couldn't agree more.
Absolutely
getting the stress out
good for you.
Thank
you, but no I started it a few years ago and Getting the guide license for bow fishing was super easy and ice fishing but The
little I got a couple phone calls from the
DNR's office like where are you gonna be doing this?
Do you know how to do it?
What
I don't think I
yeah, I I said it's I know the limits I but the limit the rule book for this is very Shady not shady.
That's spotty
on the laws verse
Only one county you can't frog gig in in the state of Wisconsin.
Which is?
And that is the state capitol.
Dean
the state
Illinois water runs deep up here.
there.
No, that was already a rule
came up and the possession limit is five per day.
That is super small.
from where I grew up.
It ranges from 25 to 75 frogs per
I think the frog population is about the same.
But Wisconsin did not have frogs.
Along like a couple in the 80s and 90s
so actually the American bullfrog is actually not American bullfrog.
It's actually
They were invasive.
They came over from boats.
And then now that they've been in the States for a while, now it's American bullfrog.
But before there was Egyptian bullfrogs.
And they came over a long time ago.
wow.
That was
deep.
No.
So it's very like the frog.
Bullfrog is super new to people.
So they came from Egyptian.
They came through people's boats, being on people's boats trailers.
They came through the rivers.
They came through birds flying
the
And when they went to
Oh, geez.
I can't help it.
He's very punny.
But no, it's there's a lot of things we could go in for two hours on how frogs are.
It's like the Asian carp.
OK.
And it's like the crane population.
constant does not like to limit themselves on trying to help the population sometimes on stuff.
So.
I've been working and trying to get the limit changed and I'm trying to get where non-residents can do this because we are a very destination state.
Yes.
here.
And the money that I've turned down for our state.
Really?
can't.
There's actually a bucket list.
There's a lot of bucket list guys.
that want to get a bullfrog in each state.
There's people that want to come and catch bullfrogs.
Yeah, the hot slam.
leopard bullfrogs with colors, they're black, gray.
So there's a leopard and then the American bullfrog.
Okay.
then the toad gets mistaken a lot and the toad this
scary sometimes for some people.
The toad is scary?
Yeah, some people are super scared
of a toad.
I mean, I'm not
but
I don't like
them.
Just because they're warts.
right?
I know.
meant warts on a toad, not
they pee on
But no, there's a lot of people.
I know I have a buddy, he's...
Frog gig in almost like 25 states
and he wants to come up to
us constant.
So what's the largest one in Wisconsin?
So
the largest I've got, I call it the unofficial record because there's not a record of
about 14 inches.
and a half wide.
pretty much how you would measure a fish from the nose to the toes.
And then you measure it from the width.
American
was American bullfrog.
So it starts May 1st, like our game fish starts
1st, and then it runs until it gets cold.
My season that I run is like November, because it's cold.
So I actually
Keep a couple frogs.
I freeze them like full bodies and they're like my secret Because the northern muskies their nose is a shovel so
winter that's what they're using to Get the mud so if you ever clean the poor man's lobster, that's a northern pike and
They always have frogs in their stomach.
So the past couple years I've been working with a couple people and we're making a soft plastic made for tip-ups, but I use bait.
So I'm getting the frog scent and we're gonna start doing plastics like frog scent so people can catch
them.
Nice.
Interesting.
So how does one contact you?
He's like, let's go do the frog thing.
fish.
That's the best.
Fishy.
I don't know what a frog smells like.
Honestly,
I
never even thought about that.
I bet you next time you hold a frog, you're going to smell it now.
Oh, jeez.
Hey, Cribbit all the time.
Cribbit's the frog's favorite game.
Oh, it's...
I would be.
Yeah, me too.
This is so wonderful.
I kind of want to do this for our June birthdays.
So if you guys are listening and you want to reach out to me, I go statewide.
I can travel, but...
Delvin, Lake Geneva, Southern Wisconsin is the best because that's where I've really got my feet wet But you can go to Haligan Outdoor Guide Service or you can go to mallorbay.com.
So Haligan is H-A-L-L-I-G-A-N
and then outdoors.
good.
I'm a fish, so
love swimming.
Yep.
I do full bow fishing charters and ice fishing charters.
I have heated shacks,
the whole nine yards.
We do the Southern style guiding.
So I do red carpet guiding.
If you book a whole day trip, I cook breakfast, lunch, dinner for you.
So I try to be reasonable.
I know a working man can't afford everything.
And kids under 13 are free.
Aw, wonderful.
First
responders get 10% off.
Nice.
And veterans.
I charge $150 ago for odd gauging.
That includes the cleaning fee.
I don't charge cleaning fees for anything.
I will
if you catch 200 fish.
I will sit and clean 200 fish.
I don't charge them.
I don't charge at all It's 150 250 for a basic trip with no drinks or food and then 350 for red carpet So I
couple of local businesses I work with that I will bring pizza if you want
The red carpet you will message me.
I asked you what kind of snacks you want Starbucks red M&Ms.
I will
all the red M&Ms.
She got a little poker face with me.
are free too.
Not very good, but
I try.
What's the timelines
then?
So night time trips start about eight o'clock.
We will eat dinner and then we will go out and I and if you get your if you go out frog digging with me and you catch five frogs in a hour I normally have my boat with me and then I will throw in a bow fishing trip with
it.
So but
if we're out bow fishing and we see frogs
We get them.
Do
you need waiters for this or it's just my boots or what do you need?
Just crocs or you can wear your shoes or take your shoes off or I have boats and we can catch them.
So
I
have
Well, I think that this definitely sounds like a raised in the woods outdoor experiment for us for sure.
We're going to have to try that.
Just when I think this show can't get more bizarre, it does.
But remember,
We're not talking about something outside of the reach of anybody in this state right now.
Folks, my name is Joel Clayfish, alongside Ellie Lawton.
Danielle Fairman James Cooper the frog gigging czar of Wisconsin Megan Salazar and her lover Dave is along I We are talking to James Cooper who is the only frog gigging Outfitter in the state of Wisconsin and you said something to me.
That's fascinating This is the cheapest frog gigging and eating the frogs you catch is the cheapest field conservation
animal field to table that you can do to provide for your family and I love that and I just I just want to say I hope you have a long life doing this and someday maybe when you're 95 if you're out there on a boat and something ever happens and you go doing
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
You sat forever thinking of this one.
Really?
Oh my gosh.
That's it.
No, you gotta live every day like it's your last.
are.
He's got a fantastic story.
He does something so unique.
He's the only guide in Wisconsin that does this.
It's 150 bucks to go out and try something new to take home something from the great outdoors of the Midwest.
Take it home, put it on your table.
I mean, why not go try it?
I can't think of one reason unless someone is deathly afraid of frogs, Megan, but she's going.
Or you're afraid of the water.
Whatever it may be.
I really can't think of a reason why you wouldn't go try this and it really comes down to like you said earlier James getting people in the outdoors Showing a new kind of outlandish experience to somebody up here because this is normal down south
But go try it.
And James, I hope that our listeners are like, you know what?
I'm going to call James because I need to talk more to him and I need to go catch a bullfrog and I need to take it home and put it on my dinner table.
We're going to get to a couple of recipes.
But I mean, I hope you get a long wait list for this because this is just so fantastic.
So, there's a couple ways.
I like deep-fried.
I'm a deep-fried fanatic.
So, you can do any type of flour that you like.
That's the go-to.
You can do a wet or dry batter.
When I say wet or dry, egg, beer, batter, mixed.
Or you can just, when you rinse the frogs off, you just shake them in a bag.
that I call that dry.
So you can.
So a lot of people, I like spiciness.
So I will do a marinade with like Louisiana red sauce.
I will marinate the frogs in there overnight.
Okay, but sometimes I'm impatient and awesome I was like I want some frogs for dinner and I will just Do a wet I like chef Roberts seasoning.
they have it, but my favorite seasoning is slap your mama.
Oh
a good seasoning and then there's a new one called the still cracker with
Two
He has his own seasoning.
He has a good two step seasoning.
So you can do whatever you want.
I do flour.
If you want a little fun mix, I'm going to give you a couple recipes.
You can do funyons.
And then use that as your batter.
A little garlicly hop to it.
But no, I will give you a couple recipes.
You can do a gumbo with it
Yep.
So so this is a family recipe I
grandmother did Two tablespoons of smoked paprika for your deep color for favor One tablespoon of kosher salt one tablespoon of garlic
powder.
One tablespoon of onion garlic.
Empires aren't going to get near you.
One tablespoon of dry oregano.
One tablespoon of dry thyme.
One tablespoon of fresh ground black pepper.
One to two teaspoons of cayenne pepper.
Adjust for your level of heat level.
Sissiness?
Yeah, sissiness.
And then half of white pepper.
But that's this Cajun secret tradition is the
white pepper.
That's something that a lot of people don't even know.
There's a white pepper.
I did not.
Yeah.
I love white
pepper.
Yeah.
So many things I learned on this show.
It's got much
kind of taste
to it.
I just love this.
And if you like hot and you want to, you can do this with any of your game, you can use opeño juice too.
yeah.
Put
juice bath.
Probably every month.
love it.
I love that.
I eat it so
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