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This is Raised in the Woods.
My name's Joel Clayfish.
I get to run around this state and the neighboring states of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa, experiencing the fantastic outdoors, hunting, fishing, foraging, eating my way through the Midwest wild game, cannot get enough of it.
I could not.
be more excited by our panel tonight, our guests tonight, our hosts tonight.
Of course, I've got to stop with the stop, start rather.
I've
got to start
This week, Chef Lawton
and I are extremely excited to welcome back to the show for the first time since she received a promotion at work and now basically runs the entire excavating world.
Former co-host Danielle Fairman is here.
And we're jacked to have her back.
Thank you so much.
You know, we literally changed and manipulated the recording of this show so that you could come and be here
just can't
about the door.
That part has not
wrong, right?
He said whisco.
That's why I'm so, that's why I'm just down in the IG.
Yeah, that's right.
Raised in the woods.
We used to be raised in
And what I love about this panel and this group of folks is that we're literally knocking on doors.
getting those permissions the hard way and hunting and angling and foraging and bringing the outdoors is our lives we are honored and pleased to have the listeners we do to
be
able to share that with you to encourage you and I want to be the first one to say that we truly want everybody
to have joy in the outdoors of the Midwest.
And that's what this show is about.
And we've got some other exciting it, just when you thought it couldn't get more exciting.
We have Megan, our Somalia pirate, the Somalia
We
lover Dave in a while.
Love her Dave is back.
Hi Dave.
back.
He's
birthday is
Yeah.
But we're going to talk about the fastest growing group of new hunters today, women in the outdoors and how they are flourishing in the outdoors and some of the issues that are encountered when any influx of new hunters gets into the sport.
And we also are honored to have Joe Person.
He's going to bring us the perspective.
of the youngsters because he's 18 years old.
18.
Oh
baby.
serious
always, the culinary, how to bring your field and forage to the table in a fast easy way with Chef Lawton and Megan Salazar.
But before that, we have our Wild of the Week.
I am excited about this week's Wild of the Week for me because whether you like it or not, if you want to get out there and become a good waterfowl hunter,
it's time to start scouting now and I have already started scouting and I want to talk with you guys about that because so many people wait until later they're showing up on farmers doors trying to get on the X when they see the birds there but now
Right now early June is the time to actually be scouting for waterfall.
And, you know, all the ducks and geese out there have got their babies along.
broods are
Winter wheat.
Winter wheat.
That's the first thing to come off.
And those birds, they want
nutrition, but they're not looking for the real high carb, high starch stuff like corn yet.
And they're going to, if you want to be successful in the early season, which starts September 1st in Wisconsin, about that same time in all the surrounding states.
Now's the time to get out there, knock on the farmer's door, start requesting permissions, bring them the pot pies, bring them some venison steaks and make friends.
Offer to throw some hay.
Offer to throw some hay men defense men defense metaphorically and literally With those out there, and you know I hope
There are some folks who listen to this show who've got old hunting buddies or folks they used to be friends with and maybe have parted ways.
This is the time to mend fences.
This
is a
And one of my criticisms is that there's too much criticism among hunters and outdoorsmen and women.
And in all reality, everybody who's getting out there should have a chance to do it.
There's room for everybody.
There's room for everybody.
So if you've got one of those attitudes that you're, you know, bad mouth and old hunting buddies or you've got friends who've fallen away from, this is the perfect time of year to mend those fences metaphorically as well and realize we're all just human beings and we're all out there trying to do what's best for those in the outdoors.
So if that's a little piece of advice I could give, I'd like to give that to because in the outdoors,
We've already got enough folks who are critical of what we do and we need to make sure we're above that And being good stewards of the land and being friends with each other instead of negatively talking about what way one guy hunts the way another guy hunts So that's that's I waxed on a little bit there, but that's my wild
Daniel
My Wild of the Week is a puppy.
A
dog?
to
I am one of those gifts you see out there.
We're in a waterfall of things they can train a pointer.
It is
I did.
I was actually an eerie and a proficient walleyes.
Sounds eerie.
And
as bad as I want to say it was, we're off the lake in like two and a half hours each day with our limited walleyes.
Fantastic.
then
I
got one more.
We had another litter of puppies at home.
Geez, Louise.
hands
off
little bit, but, you know, I
That's how I am with Josh.
He takes care of Romeo and I'm at work.
that's
To be fair, she did have two hands at the time of that litter.
of like it.
The eighth most common Swedish last name.
Yeah,
The eighth most common Swedish last name.
Not the
fourth, not the ninth.
It's the eighth
most common Swedish last name.
What's the ninth?
I have no idea.
Oh, what's the seven?
I don't
know.
That's
a
cool fact, though.
I like that.
Did you get in the outdoors this week?
Is all the dog training I've done this week count?
Yeah, absolutely.
Holy cow.
It's the dog days of
Yep.
I was up at Strike Force with Josh and Whitney Miller, Riverstone Kennels.
Heck yeah.
My dog's been up there for training.
Just got to take her home today.
What's her name?
Brandy.
Nice.
Call her
B-dog.
B-dog.
B-dog.
I love that.
Yep, she's a good dog.
She's got a long ways to go, but just over a year old.
Got to do a lot of training up there with them.
It was a really cool event.
They did a really good job putting it
Perfect.
Chef
Woods.
the
Fairman is here.
My
camping, outdoor
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Love and use the outdoors to your advantage our natural resources in the five states of Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Iowa are Unrivaled throughout the country and we're thrilled to be able to bring some of that to you and to our Loyal listeners including our number one loyal listener Gary Fluitt who I guarantees out there listening ready
once a week, whether I need it or not.
Oh, yeah.
I knew that smell somewhere.
I've
So happy.
mean, we could make that happen.
So we've got a panel of experienced actual hunters who've been at it for a combination of several decades.
Um, chef Ellie Lawton, Megan Salazar, and of course Daniel, Daniel Fairman, they are, they are hunters who are the real deal, who are putting their money where their mouth is, uh, you know, taking people out, working on programs with the Wisconsin waterfowl association, which is really one of the best groups in this state, fostering new hunters and folks who are part of that program are fantastic.
But, uh, ladies, I want to know.
What's going on in the world of women's hunting?
Yes.
Pack a lunch, man.
There's a lot going on.
So I'll start the conversation.
There's a lot going on.
And how I feel that statement is true is because there's so many different angles to come to the outdoor world from.
Okay, you've got online presence, influencers, you've got people that work in the outdoors.
You have people who have grown up hunting their whole lives.
You've got women that want to get into it and they're overwhelmed by where to start, who to start with, how to financially do it, how to understand all the things that go to it.
I guess to answer your question, I don't have an answer.
The answer is it's overwhelming.
It's overwhelming because I think when you find a spot out there, just like a lot of other communities and industries, there's some people that are very supportive and there's some people that are envious because they see people get into this sport and they maybe have
They just have a better feel of it.
They have, I guess they put themselves in better opportunities.
They just experience it differently.
So there's so many angles.
And I think Megan, Danielle, I don't know how you guys feel, but it's overwhelming to be a woman in the outdoor sometimes because not only are you sometimes trying to fit in with the men of the outdoors, let's be real, right?
But you're also trying to find your place with the women in the outdoors.
And just like anything else, there's a lot of segregation out there, unfortunately.
And I hate to say it, but it's really how it goes.
And you just kind of have to find your groove, find where your heart is meant to be and go for it.
You have a choice.
And the age that we live now is social media age,
course.
You can find the good, the bad, the ugly, and everything I'm
But the thing that we all forget is that we are in control of all of it.
Absolutely.
So if you keep getting this negative feed, negative feed, do you see this person constantly and they just bring you down?
You have a choice to unfollow them.
You have a choice to block them.
Right.
And then just search 10 puppy videos and then all of a sudden your feed is going to be better.
You
have a choice to be happy.
You have a choice to look at and follow.
So just make the choice of being happy.
You don't have to be that other person.
You're your own person, be you,
You're so right, Danielle, because we all have the choice at the end of the day.
We all have a choice to have a good attitude about something, a positive attitude about something.
We have a choice to be supportive, supportive of women that are trying to do the same mission, you know, that we're trying to do.
And like you said, if you're getting a negative message, choose to find a positive one because
There are negatives out there, but there's a lot of people out there that are doing positive things, men and women, to help women in the outdoors.
Not only that, I think
say
Well, and I think, Megan, you have a unique perspective on this, because you really put your money where your mouth is, and you spend a lot of time
bringing folks into the outdoors, particularly women.
You work on those women's groups bringing people in and we're going to talk more about that because this is a fascinating topic and this is raised in the woods.
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Danielle, where can they look at the podcast?
Where can we catch those podcasts?
You can listen to Raised in the Woods on your Apple, on your, oh my goodness, on your Spotify, on your Facebook, and see our wonderful faces and us fidgeting.
Is
Am I gonna say it?
Oh, the civicmedia.com.
It's Joe.
No, it's Joe.
Hey, you know what?
I'm going to get this train back on the tracks because we don't have a lot of time.
And I actually want to get the perspective from Dave and Joe and Joe.
Joe and Joe.
Ooh.
I want to know what you guys see.
What do you see out there?
You hunt a lot with men and women.
What do you see?
Do you see support out there?
Do you see enough happening out there for women in the outdoors?
What do you guys see?
Do you see too much of it?
Are you tired of it?
Yeah.
What I also see is a reflection
of that growing so much on social media.
And I think that many of the people who are the true hunters, scouting, knocking on doors, baking pot pies, inviting people into the outdoors are some of the women who are not posting.
the most.
They're not as interested in putting a filtered picture or a filtered video on making them look good and more interested in the like button than they are in actually being a part of encouraging women.
And I see sometimes more importance placed on social media and on the
on
versus the action that's happening in the outdoors and when I see criticism of people of how they hunt how they don't hunt their methods as long as it's legal and ethical I don't have a problem with how somebody hunts so I would like to see it I'd like to see people who say they want you know
Women in the outdoors to grow.
I'd like to see them not be critical You know of other women coming into the sport and I'd like to see a nurturing aspect of all new hunters men and women That's what I'd like
either
at
Um, when you see that kind of negativity as, as men, like, do you feel like you even want to include women on your hunts?
Like on your waterfall hunts where it can be a group and it can be a super fun activity or maybe in a turkey blind or, uh, I mean, when you
If you have property and a woman walks up to your door and asks for permission, how does that impact it?
Because I think there is an impact there.
How do you guys feel about that?
Dave, what are you going to say over there?
Well, I think a lot of it is like you have to look at it as are you
Like you're saying, you're putting in the time for it.
there's women out there that do put every single time, all the time into it to scout for deer, for docks, turkeys, everything.
There's also the other type that is they join another group and then they say they're doing it.
And what I mean that is, you know, if us guys take you guys out, you know, they're more of saying that, oh, look what I did, but did
due.
And a big thing is too is, um, I feel that a lot of women are trying to do it the correct way, but then you have those people that put them down and it's, I look at it saying, how did you learn to hunt?
It was probably by your dad.
You know, um, Megan did it a different way.
Yeah.
Danielle, I don't know how you did it.
My ex.
Well, you got introduced and do it.
So by that is.
being introduced, you were exposed to at some point by someone and someone taught you what they knew.
And we all had a foundation like for me personally, my foundation was my father and white tail hunting and raccoon hunting, small game hunting.
But as I got older, I had a ex-boyfriend 10 years ago take me waterfall hunting for the first couple of times and then
After that, it was Joel and his buddies that took me in southeastern Wisconsin for my first Goose Huns here.
You know, on their permission, they welcomed me as the only girl into the group.
They welcomed me, you know, they gave me a chance.
I didn't take any drama with me.
I was grateful.
You went there and
had fun.
Truth, I really only know one girl my age that hunts.
And that's my best friend's fiance.
So
or she hunts with with you guys?
Yeah,
he introduced her, but
they're not on any social media.
Wow.
All righty.
dad's the one that got me into it.
I started hunting when I was four years old with him.
You will take those
Do you
I got a sister, yeah.
She does not
I got some buddies that I hunt with too.
But I started out hunting with my dad when I was four, shooting a pop gun at anything that flew.
And I was 10 years old.
I got a 410 and started with that.
Good for you.
I'm envious of situations like that because I didn't have a dad who took me hunting.
I started hunting at 38 years old.
So now in most of the guys I waterfall hunt with who are younger, I've been hunting as many years as they have, but I haven't started as young as they have, which is frustrating.
But I will say any fields I ever got,
There were women invited on those fields all through the time that I started hunting.
And very often women were part of our hunting crew.
Danielle hunted with me.
I can name three, four other women who regularly hunted with us.
And as time passed, you know, some of those people, especially in waterfall, come and go.
They
come and
And I always just tried to have an attitude of
including anybody who wanted to be a part of it.
Because when you're growing a sport and more important than me and who we're hunting with is growing the understanding of conservation and the outdoors, the understanding of using what you kill, not letting it rot in the field somewhere.
And that's always been very important to me.
What has been most disappointing to me is to see the nasty and negative talk
that happens among hunters, among themselves.
Because we got enough enemies in this world.
We got enough people trying to stop our rights to hunt and fish and take forage from the field and put it on our tables.
We need to all be speaking with the same voice.
That's my opinion.
And that's one of the most frustrating things for me.
All of us, you know, we get frustrated when we get beat on a field or we get frustrated when someone else hunts a property we thought we had exclusive permission on.
We get frustrated when the social media has got a pile picks from someone else and we had a rough day in the field.
Just remember what you're seeing on social media is everybody else's best day at that point.
And real hunters know the vast majority of days are hard work and mother.
nature takes its score back very often.
And it's, it's like social media in general.
We talked about this with Chad Belding in the last few episodes.
You're seeing the best of everything.
And you're wondering, why am I not having that best?
But in reality, everybody who's a true hunter is out there having those tough days
and rough
know.
hunting.
It
bananas.
We're going to get you on a sideways banana this year.
I keep saying choose you and choose to be kind.
Yes.
This past year, I work in a Mansfield.
I'm gonna call stuff a lead lead in construction and it's all men like I choose me in my path just just choose you and your path everywhere you go you're gonna have a choice
the
tastes great so just
to
our opinions.
I mean, we're on a radio show right now, right?
But at the end of the day, sometimes your opinions, they're just really not needed.
And like Joel said, and Danielle said, you know, we're all in this together.
There's room for everybody.
Just just choose the positivity because I've been lucky to have wonderful women around me in the outdoors.
And I continue to because I choose to.
And I think that's the biggest thing.
Just make those choices and you will find your place and be very happy.
can't
Woods.
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I wanted to say that I had the opportunity this last week to serve 105 folks.
at the A-Team grassroots.
This is a group of disabled folks who love their jobs, and we have an adventure series, and this adventure series was feeding 105 folks with diversibilities.
serving them lunch.
And I pulled 60 pounds of wild game out of the
Fill it to the top with water, half a cup of oil, half a cup of lemon juice and season it to taste.
Let it go for three and a half hours in the instant pot or eight hours till it shreds apart and then add barbecue sauce to it and make sandwiches.
And that's my recipe and it was awesome.
And a shout out to the folks at the A-Team and Opportunities Incorporated at Fort Atkinson.
And that was just, that's my recipe.
And I had an awesome time and a wonderful, wonderful day because of it.
Well,
This is not this is not my recipe.
Actually, this is a very popular recipe in Europe.
I recently returned from a wonderful hunt over in Europe and I was inspired by the goulash I had over there.
So I am working on cleaning out my freezer.
So I took a venison roast that I had.
I cubed it up and I made like a Slovakian goulash, which is a little bit thicker and richer than a Hungarian goulash, which is kind of where it originated from.
And so I just stewed that meat down, paprika, caraway seeds, lots of onions.
So the difference between the two, the Hungarian and the Slovakian or Slovak, you don't.
You put veggies in the Hungarian version.
In the version I made, I just did a ton of onions.
So it was almost like a French onion soup, but with the Hungarian paprika.
And then you guys The best part is the steamed like dumpling bread that you pour it over it is so wonderful So I'll have I don't know make
half pot pot thing.
So.
I'm gonna write it down.
We'll take a beautiful picture because sometimes when I'm in the kitchen, I'm just feeling it and I don't really wanna mess with my phone and I don't really feel like sharing it with anyone at the moment.
Hey, it's supposed to rain a lot next week.
But it's
good to me.
Why not?
We're goulashing around.
sounds horrible.
Oh,
Well, if you're out there and you're listening to these recipes and listening to the show, please give us a follow on Facebook.
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In fact, next week, we're going to have a frog gigger on the show.
I cannot make that up.
I'm very excited about that.
Very excited to eat some frog leg.
Woods.
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