Mike Clemens on Wisconsin Sports (Hour 1)

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Here's Pete Schwabba.

Dude.

And Greg Bach.

Dude!

Welcome to nightlight ladies and gentlemen.

Happy Wednesday, everybody.

Hope you had a great day.

We are looking forward to hopefully entertaining you over the next couple hours.

I am Pete Schwabba, joined by my compadre Greg Bach, who is just down the coast in radio park.

I am in Marinette, Wisconsin, of course, after a lovely evening in Madison last night and Dom Lee is holding down the fort as usual at civic media headquarters.

How are you guys tonight?

I'm doing quite well.

You know what?

Tom, seniority.

Oh, no,

I was going to say, Tom, go ahead.

You're the one to make sure the microphones work.

I don't want to, but I was actually, I was going to say good or something akin to that we will usually do in the world when someone says, how was it going?

You say, going good, going great, going.

It was it was a whatever day, like it was not a great day.

It wasn't a bad day, but it was one of those days where I had a whole list of things I wanted to get done.

And then like one place was closed, another place.

It just didn't make sense to drive all the way back home and then come all the way back to work.

So I got like, like work, I got stuff done, but like personal got almost nothing done today.

So I'm just sitting here going, ugh, I didn't like it.

I don't like it.

Same with

me.

I can relate to that.

Go ahead.

Yeah, same with me I was going to go grocery shopping this morning and I was just too lazy to do it I feel like I'm being lazy today.

I think it's just a lazy day That's what it feels like and it shouldn't be it's nice day out, but I was feeling pretty lazy

All right, so I kind of I can relate to that I left my hotel this morning in Madison I couldn't check out because credit card on file for the people that paid for the room was not

there was not a form filled out or something.

And I said, well, what if I just usually I leave, I don't go down to the front desk and check

out

like it's 1972, but I wanted to make sure I get my car out of the garage.

So that was the thing.

Then I went to a Portillo's, a fine dining establishment that I love, a beef sandwich, Tom Connolly.

Greg, have you had Portillo's?

I

have.

I think there's one in green.

Okay.

There's one in Brookfield.

Everyone is very excited

about a hot dog place.

Well, no, Italian beef.

Let's get our, let's get this straight.

I forgot to order Jardinera.

And here's what I've learned.

When you order

food, when you order food, don't change anything because it throws the entire business plan of the franchise into upheaval.

And I ended up waiting 40 minutes for, because I made one special request after I ordered, but literally I was waiting for 30 minutes.

Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.

Well, okay.

First of all, what did you order?

I ordered an Italian beef sandwich.

I forgot to get Giardiniera on it, which I typically do the hot peppers.

So I went to the woman at the counter and I said, I forgot to get Giardiniera.

Can you put some on the side?

She said, sure.

Cut to 25 minutes later, I see all these other orders flying out the door and people with a hundred, like their number was like a hundred more than me.

I'm like, what did I do?

I just, and I broke my own rule.

I don't ever make special requests.

It's like when Jimmy John says, do you want cheese on that?

If I say no, there's going to be cheese on it.

Like you just can't mess up their flow.

Yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no.

Sorry.

No, no, no, this is not, this is not on you.

Sorry.

I'm all about personal responsibility and I get what you're saying.

But if you order something and like you order a Italian beef sandwich and you say, can you throw some Jardinaries on there?

That shouldn't be a thing that holds up your order for the length of a Chuck Laurie sitcom, you know?

I agree.

Or just say, like, hey, can we give you some on the side and you put it on yourself?

Because if we do that, like, you know, like, it should not have taken that long.

And I don't think it was because you didn't remember.

It was because something else.

You're probably right.

But for

comedic storytelling purposes, I was trying

to be... Oh, well, now I feel like I just ruined your joke.

No, because I'm saying what you're saying, like...

For whatever reason, the littlest thing throws them off.

That could

have been

like, oh, I got to go back and read.

I don't know what it was.

But

it's just whenever it's like that Murphy's Law thing when you're kind of, I had to get on the road because we had our meeting and I was going to call in over the phone.

I ended up, I was so exhausted today.

I drank a 16 ounce Mountain Dew.

Like I was 12 years old because I wanted more than coffee.

Like the coffee gives you the caffeine.

I needed like sugar and caffeine.

And so

I'm a little amped up.

So I'm just warning you guys.

But I did it for the show.

Have you ever had Jolt Cola?

It's way

better.

Oh, wow.

Not 25 years.

Yeah.

Oh, Tom, have you never heard of Jolt Cola?

Never heard of that in my life.

No.

Jolt Cola was a soda that came out back in like the late 80s, early 90s that their tagline was more caffeine than Mountain Dew.

Like, like.

Like there were parents out there who said things like, you know, kids should not be drinking Jocola.

This is not good.

I'm like, no soda is good for any child, but you picked Jolt.

I remember as a kid.

Back when soda was almost always like refrigerated or at least in a soda area, which it is now but like Jolt Cola when I was younger was it almost in like a specialty part of the store?

Because they just didn't treat it as soda.

They were more like this seems more like a A liquidy drug that we should be selling with a doctor's prescription But here you go kiddos put it on this low shelf charge four bucks for a six pack.

All right

It was like

between soda and liquor.

There was in a weird

zone

where they didn't know.

And I love it that they had another soda's name in their tagline.

Kind of advertising for Mountain Dew as well.

That's

awesome.

That's funny.

I cannot tell you the last time I, I cannot tell you the last time I drank a mountain, well, I don't really soda that much anymore, but Mountain Dew, oh my goodness gracious.

I don't either, but it

was

like, it literally, when I, when I tasted it was like, yeah, I feel like I'm 12 again, because that's what I used to drink.

Like a bag of Doritos and a Mountain Dew, like that was lunch.

I

still have a Mountain Dew Baja Blast every, every time I go to Taco Bell, I

have to have it.

So is my son.

What, what is the deal?

What is the, what is the deal?

Sorry.

What's the deal?

So dumb.

What is the situation slash explanation with the youth Taco Bell and Baja Blast?

Because whenever I hear Baja Blast, it's always in connection with Taco Bell.

No one just ever says, Man, I said a Baja Blast.

It's always, I went to Taco Bell and I had a Baja Blast.

And then all their friends are like, Ooh.

Because I feel like it's really hard to get anywhere else.

I feel like if you go

into

Taco Bell, and it's kind of like a variety drink.

It's a special drink for me.

You know what I mean?

When I go there, I'm like, ooh, a Baja Blast.

I'm excited.

That's the best I've

ever had.

It's like white wine with seafood.

You don't order a Baja Blast with your veggie burger or your side salad.

It only goes with Taco

Bell.

Exactly.

I'm guessing.

I don't know.

Pete steps in with the remarks of his opinions.

They're like, that's everything.

You're going to get a salad and a Baja Blast.

That's

my culinary

knowledge.

It ends there.

Hey, we got a great show tonight, folks.

A couple of great guests, a fun question.

Mike Clemens, Civic Media Sports Authority will be here at 535.

He's going to give us an update on a passing that is tied to the Packers organization and

one of their

famous stadium songs that we all know and love.

Mike will be here to talk about the Brewers.

What else he's got?

The draft, the box.

I mean, there is

draft, of course.

whether it's on or not, Wisconsin sports is, is, is happening big time with the NFL draft.

And I would talk to him about this, a tweet, I still call it tweets, uh, from Giannis about his future with the buck.

So we'll be talking to Mike Moore in actually just in a little while.

Uh, he'll be here.

It's going to be fun.

Always

fun

when Mike Clemens drops by and then, uh, our pal, Martin Alvarado,

He is the Community Engagement Specialist at the Madison Public Library.

We're going to be talking about National Poem Month and some great books, always fun when Martin is here.

He'll be in studio, right,

Tom?

He'll be in studio.

He

will.

He will.

I'll be letting him in.

Yes.

Excited.

Is he

there already?

He's not there already, but once he is, I'll give you.

Please tell us the moment he gets there.

I asked him to bring us some Baja Blast, and if he doesn't bring it, I'm very

upset.

That's the perfect compliment for a poetry reading.

You start reading a lot faster and you're getting all amped up.

I think without further ado, we should probably get to our question of the night, maybe.

I think that's a great idea.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Pregunta.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

All right, Jack Nicholson, one of the most famous actors of all time.

You could argue whether he's one of the best or not.

It's all subjective, but he is 89 years old today, ladies and gentlemen.

So our question of the night.

What is your favorite Jack Nicholson movie or role?

So let us know on the variety of ways you can get in touch with

us.

But 855-752-4842-855-75 civic.

You can also text us on the Civic Media app, which you probably already have.

If not, please download it.

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And you can take us and the whole network with you wherever you go.

And if you're watching the radio on the stream at Facebook, YouTube or ex Twitter, give us a drop a stream comment and be part of the Jack Nicholson conversation.

But as you know, you can always chime in with whatever your thoughts are based on our discussion here at Nightlight with Beechwaba and Greg Black.

Can I also wish a happy birthday to another luminary actor, director, writer, which by the way, I think is very interesting.

We don't, we always talk about Jack Nicholson as an actor, but he is a writer, a director, a producer.

He's, he's all the things, but happy 80th birthday to Mr. John Waters.

Oh wow, John.

See, I need a new celebrity birthday site.

John Waters wasn't even on there.

Oh, I'm sorry to tell you that.

I'm glad I told

you.

I'm glad I

informed

you.

I'm glad you did, too.

Yeah, there you go.

I get

all these influencers, like this girl named IHASCUPquake, and it's like, why am I

hearing about that?

Oh, I love her.

Did

you have to bleep

that?

Come on.

Wait, are you serious?

I am.

She's a YouTuber.

Yes,

very good.

IHASCUPquake?

Lots of millions of subscribers.

Check her

out.

She's very good.

What does she do?

What does she talk about?

crafts.

She does like a lot of DIY craft stuff.

And I

used to

paint.

I kind of feel bad.

Basically a popsicle stick house or what?

Get off of my lawn, you dirty influencers.

Oh, you're making a bird box.

Come on in.

I'll make some tea.

Hey, speaking

of speaking of that, we have tomorrow night.

Ladies

and

gentlemen is our nightlight movie club in the

second

hour every Thursday.

This week's movie is the breakfast club.

You know it.

You love it.

If you haven't seen it, watch it.

Be part of the conversation tomorrow night.

We'll talk about the breakfast club.

We'll do a deep dive, maybe ask some questions.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

So if you've seen it, join the conversation.

If you haven't, you still have time to watch it.

There you go.

It's gonna be fun.

And that's a Dom Lee.

That's a Dom Lee choice.

That's a Dom

Lee

choice.

I never watched it.

I'm very excited.

I'm very excited too.

That's a gosh Dom good choice.

I have not.

You

still haven't

watched it.

I have not watched it.

I have not watched it.

It's ticking buddy.

Yes.

Get yourself a Baja

Blast and stay up a little later.

Okay.

We've got some news stories we need to get to.

Dom if you please.

The first big story.

So happy Earth Day everybody.

Thank you, Greg.

That's about it.

Okay.

Cool.

All right.

Cool.

Today is Earth Day 2026.

And we just, we were talking about this a little bit with Dr. Kristen Lyrely a couple of days ago.

It is a celebration that has its roots in Wisconsin.

Thank you to former governor Gaylord Nelson.

But Earth Day is important.

It's great to celebrate.

It's great to celebrate what we do for the earth.

But I read an article in the Wisconsin Examiner.

We need to do a lot, lot more because just in the first line of they're talking about the fact that these, all these storms we got these past two weeks are very odd for this timeframe.

And it all has to go back to those two words that nobody wants to say out loud.

Well, I do climate change or as I call it global warming.

Cause apparently we can't say that anymore, but yeah, I mean, people feel bad.

I don't care.

You should feel bad.

I think about this every time Pete, when I, so I am a, I recycle.

I'm happy to recycle.

We got the recycling bin at the house.

I just brought him in this morning because yesterday was recycles day.

I have no problem being a part of that solution.

I've no problem being part of that movement, I should say.

But I feel like, and tell me what you think about this, Pete.

I feel like 25, 30 years ago, they said that we should recycle and then pushed all that responsibility on us when no one was saying, how about it's the companies who are pumping billions of gallons of black smoke into the air and doing all these things and dumping.

Like I

have no

problem recycling.

But that's not what's going to help the earth in the long run.

We need better, bigger policies that are going to actually hold polluters to account.

That's what I really think about that, you know, when I think about that.

Like when I think about Earth Day, that's what I think about is holding accountable those who are actually doing the major damage to our earth.

Not the guy that recycles the Mountain Dew Baja Blast bottle.

I get it.

I'm with you.

Let's get up there because I want to make a point about the two and Earth Day is a great celebration of our Mother Earth.

We are coming right back, ladies and gentlemen, with two more big stories and one of them involves junk food.

This is Peach Wabba and Greg Bach and Nightlight on the Civic Media

Network.

This song just makes me happy.

Welcome back to Night

Light, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm Pete Schwabba, coming to you live from Christmas City, USA, just up the coast from my partner Greg Bach, who is joining us live from Radio Park in Racine.

And Tom Lee, Dom Lee, as he is affectionately called, is in Madison.

So it's great to have you with us tonight.

We're in the middle of our three big stories.

Mike Clemens will be joining us in about 10 minutes to update us on all things Wisconsin sports.

And it's going to be a good one.

He's got some really cool information.

Just for us.

We have a call though, Dom, before we get back to our new stories.

Who do we have?

We have Jack from Merrimack.

How's it going?

Hey, Jack.

Hi, Jack.

I don't say that in the airport.

Oh, that was

a good one, Jack.

Jack, is that why you

called?

Nope.

I figured why pass up a great opportunity?

Anyway.

First of all, I absolutely love Jack Nicholson when he gets this over-the-top role, and I enjoyed him probably most.

I think he played the devil in the Witches of Eastwick.

Yeah,

yes.

And when he played the Joker in Batman, he was just incredible.

I really rate those as two of my favorite Jack Nicholson movies.

Thank you.

That's great.

Nice.

Thank you very much.

Yeah.

What's up, Jack?

Can you hear me yet?

Yeah, we can hear you.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Go

ahead.

Okay.

Um, when, um, Joe came out, I think their ad was something like, uh, all the sugar and twice the caffeine or something like that.

Yeah.

I remember seeing it.

I remember seeing an analysis.

of the caffeinated sodas, and yep, they had a lot more caffeine and Pepsi or Coke, but the highest caffeine rated, both in percentage and total caffeine, if I recall correctly on those analyses, was Diet Mountain Dew, which is still, by the way, my drink of choice.

That's

your drink of choice, Jack?

Oh, yeah.

Got to keep his old bones going somehow.

You're like, you're like one of those guys are like, who's like 102 years old and they say, what's your secret?

Like I drink a, I drink a pint of scotch and smoke a pack of palm miles.

I drink dive out and do with nothing

else.

Well, Jack,

now I know

your secret.

I'm going to buy some on the way home tonight.

Absolutely.

Jack, that's awesome buddy.

Thank you for the call, my friend.

Thank you so much, Jack.

Appreciate it.

He was

in

mid swig there.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

He's he's he's paid.

He's bought and paid for by big diet soda

I just want to say one thing before we move on to our second big story.

We're talking about Earth Day right before the break.

And I pulled up this article by ABC News that said, oh, the stuff we have in place is working once threatened species are rebounding the sea turtle.

But then in the same article, it listed all these horrible things that are happening.

And it said deforestation is continuing to occur at a rapid rate, including 16.6 million acres of tropical primary forests.

lost in 2024 equivalent to 18 soccer fields per minute according to the World Wildlife Fund.

Let that sink in, Greg.

That's insane.

Again, like, I have no problem recycling.

I have no problem loving the earth, being careful, leaving things the way I found them.

I really do.

I believe that.

But I also think that we need to really shift our focus to the big polluters, the ones who are cause, who are basically, in my opinion, those are like crimes against humanity, the way they are harming the earth.

But, you know, that's for our

Elected officials to take care of not a radio guy in in we're seeing so Shall we move on to story?

Yes, please.

All right the second big

story Oh Go ahead Greg.

No, no, I'm

go ahead.

It's a story

Reuters is where I saw this about they want to reclassify we the United States administration

United States administration what the hell does that mean is expected to move to reclassify marijuana as soon as Wednesday according to exios citing a familiar source within the matter We had some debate about this.

It's still not legal in Wisconsin.

So it doesn't really matter what they call it or how

they

classify it, but

I thought that the president was against this at some point, like you said, but I, we couldn't really find.

No.

So looking back in with the help of senior producer Tucker, he looked at the, at the best, Donald Trump has been wishy-washy on this.

He has, I mean,

the government has tried to try to make illegal, well, they have made illegal hemp derived products.

That's supposed to be taking place.

That's supposed to be taking effect at the end of this year, which will have a huge effect on Wisconsin businesses who sell hemp derived products.

He has been back and forth with his own justice department back in his first term about, you know, easing marijuana.

enforcement.

It just, he hasn't said like we're going to get, he's just, he blows with the wind honestly.

And this just reminds me of the Rogan story from yesterday where simply he just wants to be popular.

He wants to be cool.

And he said, yeah, we're going to do this for decades.

Again, I'm going to make this point for decades.

We had experts, doctors, vets, you know, folks who suffer from mental illnesses who utilize marijuana for their, for their, you know,

their course of medication for their way of keeping themselves in a good place.

And have been told systematically by specifically Republican leaders, but there's a lot of politicians out there.

It's like, no, can't do that with a whole host of reasons.

And now the president's like, yeah, let's do it.

I mean, yeah, it's like with the tipping issue.

It's just like you said, blowing with the wind, wanting to be popular.

And he wants to be invited to Joe Rogan back sleepover.

Yes.

Oh my gosh.

It's so, so inferior.

I want marijuana to be legal.

Yeah, especially in Wisconsin, but it just feels very not this doesn't feel like it's gonna go anywhere honestly because he just signs a piece of paper with his weird Signature and who knows what will happen.

He just wants that adulation in the moment, but this has real long-term effects benefits consequences But again decades of research and testimony from people who need this who have expertise in it and they got that no no no and the president goes, okay, let's go for it

Let's see if we can squeeze in really quick our last story.

The third big story.

Greg, it's very simple.

If you watch videos on junk food, you're less likely to eat them.

Researchers call it cross modal satiation.

Basically, your brain gets enough satisfaction from seeing the food that you don't have to actually eat it.

I'd like to believe that.

I really would.

Yeah, I don't think that's true at all either.

I've watched plenty.

I've watched plenty of things.

I mean, sure.

Why not?

But let's believe that together.

Let's do that.

Let's all believe that

together.

Let's watch it.

I has Cupquake video later.

All right.

We're coming right back, folks.

Mike Clemens is here after the news.

It doesn't get better than that.

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We are going to be talking to Martín Alvarado from the Madison Central Library about all the great things happening, not only at the Madison Library, but

What's going on?

Maybe at your library.

So stick around for that.

We have the night cap going to wrap everything up as usual, and we're going to get to our question of the night.

It's Jack Nicholson's birthday.

What's your favorite Jack Nicholson movie?

Leave a comment on the live stream, send us a text, give us a call, let us know, just like Jack from Merrimack did.

But right now, it's time to welcome back to the program our friend, our buddy, the sports guru, the sports authority, Mr. Mike Clemens.

How are you this evening, Mr. Mike Clemens?

What's going

on?

Cuckoo's Nest about Schmidt.

That was a pretty good Jack Nicholson.

Oh yeah,

I forgot about that one.

Here's one.

Here's a recommendation.

It came out at the same time as Cuckoo's Nest.

It's called The Passenger and Jack plays a reporter who's in Africa doing the documentary and just kind of gets tired with his life and some good businessman dies so he switches identities.

He finds out though the identity he's picked up is a guy selling arms.

and now guys are chasing after him.

It's a really, really good- Oh my gosh, how did I not see that?

It was a small film, but it's like I was blown away.

It just showed how good that guy was coming off a cuckoo snack, so that.

Before I forget, I'm driving home around midnight, one, two a.m.

from these stadiums, and so I hear the playback on the network of you guys' shows.

That interview you guys did with the mayor of Madison, Rhodes Conway, excellent.

I learned so much more stuff about Madison going on.

Good stuff, boys.

Good stuff.

Oh, Mike, thank you so much.

And you know what?

That means the world coming from you because you are a guy who's been doing radio for so long.

And the fact that you enjoy what we're doing, that means a lot.

So appreciate the compliment and you are fantastic as always.

I mean, it goes without saying, but yeah, thank you very much.

So got some sad news today.

You know, if you could join me on game day,

at Lambeau Field.

It's pretty cool because you walk in the door, and then there's the technicians, and then there's the cameraman, and they've got their cameras on their shoulders, and they're dragging some cord behind them, and you're trying not to trip, you know?

Or here comes the chain gang, right?

The guys with the first down sticks, and you know, get that stick out of my eye, you're gonna poke me in the head there with that thing, you gotta walk behind them.

And then the referees, and they look like zebras, I mean it's almost like being backstage at the circus.

Here comes Wayne Larrabee and Larry McCarron in to do the radio broadcast, and then back in the day, it used to be the band.

And so for years, through the history of the Packers, they had a band called the Lumberjacks, and then they changed that a little bit, and there was a guy named Lowell Ives who started playing with the band like in the 70s, and then in 1982, which is actually the first year I got into cover Packers games as a kid shooting camera,

They made mr. Ives the director and he became the musical director at UW Green Bay So he's teaching by day and he's got this they and they said you know a little stuff instead of marches like Sousa marches Maybe you make like a jazz thing so they did a little Chicago like you played earlier or to come up with some own things anyway Mr. Ives is passed away was 97 years old But he was the director that jazz combo used to be down on the sidelines in the south end zone on game day and

And one of the things that he wrote, they still play today and let's play that clip.

That's awesome.

Does he get paid or did he get paid every time they played that mic?

Or did he

have some kind of

an agreement?

was that little jazz combo was done every four or five guys with a big trombone and a couple of microphones, a little bandstands and football players running out of bounds, running into them.

They got the stadium to do that.

So they would have the band mic'd and then the fans would chant that.

So then they decided, listen, we can't have this band on the sidelines during the whole game anymore.

But let's have you guys go in and record that.

and we'll play it over the scoreboard so that's how that all came about anyway ninety-seven-year-old all those students that he instructed one of his students was lial maize a great piano player kid that he kind of you know he was from out of maronette and he gave he said that your improv is really good just keep working on that he encouraged him lial maize check member pat metheny the pat metheny

group

Yep.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Lyle was Pat's keyboard player all those years when they were starting out.

So anyway... And he was from

Marinette, Mike?

Marinette, yeah.

And how do you spell maze, do you know?

M-A-Y-S.

He passed two a few years ago, like in 1966.

But yeah, he was with Pat McSale, which when I started out in radio, one of my first job was public radio, and they played all that jazz back in the day.

from those guys.

Yeah.

All comes around.

So we got the draft tomorrow night.

Okay.

And where is that taking place this year?

Pittsburgh.

All right.

And what do we see on the horizon?

What are you looking at?

What are the things we should keep our eyes off for?

What are the things that the Packers are keeping their eyes off for?

Well, they don't pick now until Friday night.

The 52nd pick overall.

They've got eight picks this year.

11 picks next year, because of the mandatory picks.

You give up a free agent, then the league gives you back an extra pick or something the following year.

They traded Rashan, Gary, their pass rusher.

They got Micah Parsons back.

Part of the reason they don't have a pick in the first round of tomorrow night is that huge deal they did last summer with the Cowboys to bring Micah Parsons up from the Dallas Cowboys.

And I don't think it's possible they may get a deal where they give up two picks to get one pick higher Friday night and go from 52 overall to maybe somewhere in the 40s.

But speaking of, you know, you guys talk about movies so much on this show, there was a great movie seven, eight years ago called Draft Day starring Kevin.

Oh my God, that's such a good

movie.

It actually is.

You know, when it first came out, Greg, all the NFL and sports writers, cynical types, were like, oh, that's nothing real.

And then some of the GM was like, no, it's actually closer than you think.

It's

more

chaotic than

it

looks on TV.

And so that's the story where Kevin Costner is a GM of the Browns and he does, you know, kind of a cloak and dagger thing and he pulls off at the last minute.

But it's like he's going to go after some quarterback who I think was from Wisconsin.

Anyway, here's the deal.

When you're on the clock,

You've done all this preparation.

You've got all these scouting reports.

You've put together a board, and they order the players the way you should.

And then you just, you wait for your pick to come up, and then you look at your board and say, this is the next best player available, according to our math, according to our calculations.

But, you know, what about what's in your gut?

Like, you know, and Brian Goodekin says, at the end of the day, you can measure a guy and how fast he runs, how strong he is.

We've washed all his tape as a player.

But not only does he love football, does he need football?

In

other

words, after we pay him the first 10 or 15 million dollars, he can't wait to get on the field.

So I asked Gudekin about this yesterday in his pre-draft press conference.

Brian, how much has the NIL era affected your ability to determine the question, this guy needs football?

And secondly, when's the last time you looked at tape of Matthew Golden before you picked him that night?

First question, yeah, I do think, quite frankly, the NIL has exposed some of that with some of these guys earlier maybe than it would have if they weren't making money.

We've always really leaned on, you know, tried to lean on guys, trying to find guys that love football, you know, that it's more about, you know, the competition of the game more than anything else, what comes with it.

So in some ways, with these guys having the resources they have and us kind of knowing how they're using those resources and what they're doing with it, can provide some insight into the guy.

At the same time, they're 21, 22, 23.

And if you guys, if we all had that money at that day, I mean, who knows what we'd be doing, right?

So I think you gotta be careful to judge them too much.

But I've always thought, you know,

You combine the tape kind of DNA and how they play the game with what we find out about them.

We'll tell you usually how much they love being out there and how competitive they are.

And that's most important.

And then your second question, I think I'll watch tape on a few guys here and there over the course of these few days now.

But it's just usually just to show her something up.

But with Matthew, I think it was a good.

probably about a week before the draft when I was done watching him.

So he was in a hard one.

Our guest is Mike Clements.

He is our sports authority here at Civic Media.

He joins us tonight to talk all things Wisconsin sports.

Mike, that was a great answer by the Packers

GM, but

a great question.

It's just, you know, what are the Packers needs?

What do you think they'll target?

when it comes to round

two.

I think their needs are offensive line.

I think they need depth at the offensive line.

You know, they gave up two players, including Elton Jenkins, that moved down in free agency.

Zach Tom, they're starting right tackle, had injuries most of last year.

Now he's back, they say okay from surgery, we'll see if he's actually ready for the start of the season.

But they need a little bit more depth.

on the offensive line to back them up because they ran into troubles in that playoff game that they lost to the Bears down in Chicago.

And then, you know, in terms of the two receivers, the left and free agency, Romeo Dobbs signed a $39 million deal guaranteed with the Patriots.

The Packers were never going to pay that.

They traded Don Tavey and Wicks, well, their third or fourth best receiver to the Eagles and to pick up a couple of these picks that they lost in a Micah Parsons trade.

So, you know, don't get another receiver and no big deal, but they're coming back, you know with Christian Watson with Jaden Reed and then Matthew Golden their first round pick from from last year This will be his second year and now in the spotlight will be on him So, you know, I think one of the things that don't be surprised if they try and address backup offensive line

Before we go to the before we go to our break

Doc Rivers has stepped down as head coach of the Bucks.

We know that's happening.

And Giannis released a tweet this week that seemed like he was staying.

He talked about being a Phoenix as far as like the city and the team and himself.

What is the news?

I mean, I feel like half the conversations we talk about when it comes to the Bucks is half of their record.

The other half is Giannis staying.

So what are you hearing from the Bucks organization, your sources?

Doc wasn't fired.

I mean, Doc is, look, when he found out that he was going to be inducted to the Hall of Fame, he's done.

You know, I don't need to coach anymore.

I'm in, man.

I can go

go

now.

And, and also the bucks are a mess.

And I don't think he wanted to be there anymore because he could see that the owners aren't talking.

The honest, the honest isn't talking.

Listen to what Doc Rivers basically saying, nice people, the bucks, the honest, great kid.

You people need to talk to each other.

Listen to this.

I don't know about the whole trade thing.

This is where I struggled.

I'm being honest with you.

Like, what if a guy wants to say, where is that?

He's won a title and he wants to play his whole career there.

Like, what's wrong with that?

I look at it like Joker.

Joker never wins against Shitty Leith.

Yeah, he would never do that.

He wants to play and be a going-state warrior.

And if Yannis did decide that and the front office decided that, okay, there's nothing wrong with that.

That's the only thing that bothered me during the season and during the summer about it.

is like no one has asked Giannis, what do you want?

And that's where you hear one side wants to leave, one side wants to stay.

I mean, I don't know if he's made up his mind either way yet, but that's not exactly what's said every day.

We talk about a lot of stuff and I just think that he's still, I think he has this thing about him that he wants to, he would love to, like, what did he say on the trade deadline day?

I just know it's not as cut and dry.

as people try to make it out to be.

And it's not as easy of a situation as people think it is.

That's the voice of Doc Rivers, compliments of our guest, Mr. Mike Clemens.

We will break down what the former Milwaukee Bucks coach said he was not fired.

I keep thinking he was too, but

he

was right.

He was not fired, but we'll break that down that clip when we come back and we'll get into some Brewer talk with our guest, Mr. Mike Clemens.

This is Nightlight with Thichuaba and Greg Bach.

Welcome back.

This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba and Greg Bach.

Great to have you with us on this Wednesday night as we talk about, oh my gosh, Jack Nicholson.

We're going to talk books in hour number two with our favorite librarian from Madison.

And right now we've got a few minutes with our pal, Civic Media Sports Authority, Mike Clemens.

We listened to a clip from Doc Rivers that Mike shared with us right before the break.

Some kind of parting.

party shots at the box maybe mike

well i know i i i think he's just calling it as he sees it and i think dot does that there's some times that people say the doctor is all kind of a phony and it's never his fault no i you know i've been watching him since he was a player and he tells it like it is sometimes and oh yeah did he did as a coach and uh... you know i'll tell you when you get into those nb a circles man

It is such a soap opera, you know, and you've got these players that, you know, like, well, Giannis, he's got two brothers on the roster that have no business being there, you know, but they get all these demands.

So the last time I was around Giannis was the night before he had the extended knee injury, and it's the same old Giannis.

He's this unbelievably dedicated athlete that gets there early, stays late.

He's got the ice bags on with timers on for 30 minutes on it, and he just wants to play.

But the world gets more complicated than that.

I talked to a buddy of mine that I know is in contact with the Yanis camp, if you will, the agents.

They're at levels like, well, if he decides to move, we could go Orlando, or we could go New York Knicks.

And if he goes to Orlando, there's no tax there.

So he'd be saving himself 13% income tax as opposed to going to Knicks.

I mean, these are the conversations these people are having.

And at some point, Wes Edens and Jimmy Haslam, the owners need to sit this kid down at 31 and say, what do you want?

Okay.

Either sign and stay or we'll send you to wherever you want to go.

What do you want?

And that's what this franchise needs to do.

Yeah, this is like the, the, for me, like,

And anyone who knows me basketball isn't my big thing, but like it's always interesting, especially, and you're not wrong when it comes to Doc Rivers.

One thing I always appreciated about him when I'd listen to his interviews was, you know, if they lost, they'd say, what do you think happened?

He'd be like, we lost.

They played better than we did.

Next question.

I'm like, cool.

No need to philosophize.

No need to pontificate.

Exactly.

At the end of this, at the end of the game, who has more points?

They won.

That's why they lost because they won.

So there you go.

Well, you know what?

I mean, I've covered them in between Packers and Brewers and coming to Madison and, you know, checking out Luke Fickle and what's going on with the Badgers over there.

But, you know, he, I mean, he recognized me and started coming over to me ever once in a while, like, you know, how do you think this is playing?

I mean, he's very open that way.

And it's not like he's working me.

He just, he wants that input.

And so when you see those kinds of things and the staff that's following around, that's a leader, right?

And he walks into that situation and he looks at Yanis over there, good kid.

He looks at your owners that are trying their best.

But, you know, they need counseling.

They made counseling.

Well, yeah, I mean, Mike, we have about two or three minutes left.

I want to get to some brewers talk with you.

They had a six game skid.

Have they turned it around?

It would seem so.

Greg's beloved brewers.

Give him something to be happy about

here.

And part of that, they were watching the Nationals.

sort of beat them at their own game during that losing streak with, you know, small ball and bunts and short hit and things like that.

And so, you know, kind of the light went on with Pat Murphy saying, you know, I'm missing two of my best hitters in Cheerio, Andrew Vaughn, and now Yellich is out until maybe Memorial Day with this groin injury.

We got to do the same thing.

And they actually won a couple of games doing that.

Then last night, they just unloaded on the Tigers.

And some of these moves that they've made in the off-season, like, did you see the Devon Williams, the ace at their closer that they had a couple years ago that went for big money for the Yankee or to the Mets?

And now, they've lost 12 games in a row.

And the ridiculous money that is being spent with some of those teams, Corbin Burns, whatever happened to him after he went to the Orioles.

And look at these young pitchers they got, they got Quinn Priester coming back on rehab in Nashville now.

And they're getting through, you know, with Brandon Woodruff staying loyal to him and these other young pitchers they've got.

And then they're bringing in players like, well, they made that trade with the Red Sox, it's David Hamilton.

He went four for four last night.

Dude's fast on the basis.

And they've moved him over to shortstop because Ortiz can't get ahead.

I just, Matt Arnold continues to make these moves that are pretty amazing.

And in these trades, and then there's Pat Murphy, who

Last week, it was Jackie Robinson Day.

Everybody's wearing number 42.

And somebody asked him about his favorite players going, oh, Maury Wills, Luke Brock, Hank Aaron.

And I said, about Bob Gibson in the picture from the Cardinals.

Because Bob Harlan, the former factor, worked with him.

And Euker was down there, too.

And he goes, Bob Gibson.

He says, I just used Bob Gibson this morning.

OK, the meeting is over.

I went upstairs and asked Adam McKelvie.

He's a beat reparsive.

So you mean to tell me this guy manages baseball 15 hours a day and he's playing baseball video games in the morning?

He does it with his kids, okay?

He lets his kids play contemporary players like Mike Trout or whatever, and then he plays the classic players so they get to know the Hall of Famers.

Oh, okay.

He's playing baseball video games with his kids.

That's different.

That's okay, because I thought we had a problem

here.

You know, one thing I, you know, the, the burrs definitely took a tumble to the bottom of the division last week.

And like it was weird, they were at the bottom, but they were also tied with, with the Cardinals and the Cubs, essentially.

But one thing I really loved is last week, when Trevor McGill was not playing up to the fan standards, Pat Murphy did not hold back and he told them, look, he pitches great for you guys.

And you love, and he has one bad game and you boo him.

That's not good.

That's not fair.

Knock it off.

I'm like, father has

spoken.

I'll be honest, just tell the fans they're nuts, back off.

And Miguel had a great night the next night, and that's what you want, is that honesty, and look how those guys will turn around and they will play for a guy who is looking out for them.

Yeah, that's what makes the difference, absolutely.

Mike, great stuff as always, my friend.

Have a great night and enjoy the draft or whatever you're doing this weekend.

I'm sure you'll be fixated on the draft though as well.

Great stuff and please come back soon.

Thanks guys.

You got it.

All right, that's the great Mike Clemens when we come back We're gonna read your texts after the news the

question

of the night is it is Jack Nicholson's birthday.

He's 89 What is your favorite Jack Nicholson movie or role?

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I'd learned.

So I always learned so much, but from, do you know why I learned a lot about sports?

Because as that's Tony on the live stream put it,

Mike Clemens knows slightly more than Pete about sports.

So it's always good having them both here as like, you know, just giving me all the information I need.

Mike

Clemens, Pinky knows more about sports than Pete Chlava.

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Let's restate the question tonight and get to our text messages and hear from the people tonight.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Here, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

Happy birthday, Mr. Jack Nicholson.

89 years old is his birthday.

So the question is, what is your favorite Jack Nicholson movie?

Let us know.

Drop a comment.

Just send us a text.

Give us a call.

Let us know.

We'd love to hear from you.

Dom.

Let us go to the text line.

What are the people saying?

Let's do it.

All right.

We have Andrew from Maine.

This is not totally related to the question, but he said Pete's nightcap slash what he learned can be that Pete Wilson has a birthday today and he is still alive despite the info from the celeb birthday site.

He just tried to tell him

wait Wilson the

former California governor.

Wait, what's happening right now?

I have no idea.

I feel like I feel like Dom and I have been totally wedged out of this part of the conversation.

What?

I don't

I don't know what's going on either.

I you might have said at the very first initial start

of the

show.

I feel like my face.

Okay.

My face right now is a reason to watch the live stream because I am so

confused.

Okay.

So Andrew remain Pete's nightcap.

What he learned can be that Pete Wilson has a birthday today and is still alive despite info from the celeb birthday site.

He uses to tell him is Pete Wilson, the former governor.

Yes.

That's the only Pete Wilson I think I know.

Yeah,

he's

that it says I'm

taking

Greg's recommendation on and I'm using the other site because you're right.

I don't need all these influencer birthdays or Pete Wilson

And then Andrew also said Jack Nicholson movies his limited screen time in a few good men is iconic But but perhaps my favorite is the movie he did with Helen Hunt displaying some quirky traits that would be considered neurodivergent these days

And

then he said as good

as it gets is the movie I was thinking of so

I love that he sent the text couldn't remember and then he said it's just very very funny to me I once I once saw a stage play of a few good men and It was fantastic and we got to the point in the move and then play where it was the most famous part of the movie and you ask yourself well when This line comes up is one of the most one of the most clipped

pieces of film in the past, what, 20, 30 years when they always went like, you know, the greatest films, blah, blah, blah, all that kind of thing.

And you're like, how is he going to deliver that?

Is he going to do exactly like Jack Nicklaus?

Or is he going to do, you know, and he

did

it in a, he did it in a way.

This, I wish I remembered his name.

He's an actor.

He's a local actor in Wisconsin.

He did it in a way where he said it and brought absolutely no attention to it really.

In fact, it's that thing of, instead of like, because in the movie, he screams it.

So of course you're like, oh, good Lord.

He says it in a way that is so

Bonechilling like as if to say like everything from this characters experience has seemed so much horrific and horrific everything from war to to bureaucracy to whatever the way he said it made you go Oh, this is more bone.

It was it was more Disturbing than watching Jack Nicholson scream it because he just said it as a matter of fact in a way of like

you'll never understand because you'll never see what I've seen and like oh wow that was it was pretty amazing I still think about that to this day that this guy read that line better than

Jack Nicholson yeah it's interesting because Aaron Sorkin wrote the it started as a play before

they made

it a movie and what you're saying Greg reminds me of Brian Cox's Hannibal Lecter compared

to Anthony

Hopkins and Anthony

Hopkins

is great there's no question about that but

Brian Cox was so chilling and eerie and red at a different, you know what I think we should do?

Let's all give our interpretation.

Let's say you can't handle the truth.

Like we would say it if we were Jack Nicholson and a few good men.