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Mike Clemens on the Bucks & Brewers (Hour 1)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Mon Apr 13, 2026
From Washington to Hollywood and right back to Wisconsin.
It's Night Light with Pete Schwabba and Greg Bach.
Connecting the dots on the stories shaping our world with smart takes.
sharp humor, and plenty of personality.
You know, I really expected more professional behavior from you.
It's news and culture without the noise.
Yeah, come on.
Here's Pete Schwabba.
Dude.
And Greg Bach.
You can't fix perfection, Greg.
It was a great angle.
Uh, we have a, an absolutely fantastic show for you guys tonight.
Happy Monday, everybody, wherever you're joining us from in the great state of Wisconsin, it is great to have you.
And, uh, we, uh, we hope to, uh, ease you into your evening.
And if you're in the car right now, we hope to make that drive feel a little more, uh, relaxed, right?
Greg, was that a accurate description of tonight's show?
Yes.
Perfect.
That is Greg.
And, uh, Dom Lee, working the board in Madison.
Dom, do you miss me?
I was there Thursday and Friday.
It was great to hang in Madison with you a little bit.
Um, what's, is there, is there a, the kind of depression in it?
can only happen when like a Schwabba leaves the room.
fun, but
I'll tell you a little bit about it.
It was my dad's 50th birthday a week prior.
And we, we threw him a surprise party and it was, it was great.
It worked out well.
I got the ice.
I was in charge.
of ice, and that was it.
Just ice.
But it worked out really well.
He had no idea, and it was really fun.
It was a really fun time.
All right, that was deserved.
You get one, you get one rim shot per show.
Hey, we got a great show tonight, Greg.
We've got a couple of civic media all stars here tonight.
We've got Mike Clemens is going to join us at 535.
There is so much, I did not realize how much is going on in the world of Wisconsin sports until.
He, until Mike reached out today.
So
we
got, we're going to talk a little bit about Chris McIntosh, uh, stepping down in Madison as the athletic director.
The brewers are on a skid, which I'm sure Greg is totally bummed out about as our all brewer fans, uh, the bucks, let dock rivers go.
Um, and the Packers have a big event coming up too.
So we'll break all of that down with our civic media sports authority, Mike Clemens.
And then in our two, our pal, Dan Schaefer will be here, the founder of the recombobulation area award-winning.
recon population area.
And my fellow wire fan, uh, you can, you can get into that with him, Greg.
We'll be talking to more about the bucks today with Dan too, because he is a huge bucks fan.
And we've had conversations about this man, Doc Rivers, who will soon be the former coach of the bucks.
I'd love to hear Dan's take on that.
Uh, in the second hour as well, guess what everybody, it's time for yet another
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We're, I feel like we've gotten all of the.
Stuff didn't care of all the business all the business we should get to the we should get to the news the top three stories of the day the first big story So if you don't already know the president of the United States decided to post a very interesting picture of himself on his true social social media platform of social mediaing
It was a picture of him.
I mean, I don't know how he thought otherwise, but it's a picture of him basically looking like Jesus Christ, healing someone who is sick in bed.
And people were unhappy, and it's not the people you think it was.
It was actually a lot of conservatives, Catholics, Christians, Trump supporters unhappy about this post.
And I don't know, Pete, what version of this...
of this picture, do you think he looked at where he said, well, it's me being a doctor, like with the Red Cross, right?
That's what I thought it was.
So
I think a doctor is more likely to have a comb over than Jesus.
But that's ridiculous.
What irritates me is what I find so shocking is that this is what put many conservatives over the top.
He's been blasphemous since he's been in office even the first time with the Bible and this and that.
What now?
It's got to be all this other fatigue that they finally have a reason to say, okay, this is too far.
like an AI image and for those who haven't seen it the AP does a great job of describing it says the image posted by the president Sunday night this is last night show Trump wearing a biblical style robe and laying hands on a bedridden man as light emanates from his fingers in both hands by the way while a soldier a nurse praying woman and a bearded man in a baseball cap all look on in my link we're not done yet the sky above is filled with eagles an american flag and vaporous images um
Yet he thought it was a picture of him working for the Red Cross.
But he didn't.
No, of course he didn't.
No, he's a liar.
Right, and you're saying,
If he really did, he should say, yes, I feel like I'm very much like Jesus.
If you have stones, that's what you say.
You don't pull it and say, oh, I meant to be a doctor.
No doctor I've ever seen where it's flowing robes.
And it's just insanity.
And I think people are finally even the diehard magus, I think.
And I mean, like in a Washington Post article that we will also put in the show notes, Megan Basham.
Megan Basham.
was upset.
She is a prominent conservative Protestant Christian writer and commentator.
And then there was another gentleman, Michael Brown as well.
He's a Catholic conservative commentator, also very upset about this.
And he decided to sling rocks at the Pope too about this.
And we can maybe get to it on the other side of the break, but he got into a little mini fight with the Pope.
And the Pope basically says, I'm not afraid of the Trump administration.
I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing.
This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba and Greg Bach coming to you on the Civic Media Network.
Great to have you with us on this Monday.
Mike Clemens is coming up after the news, sports and weather.
He's going to break down all of the stuff that is happening here with our Wisconsin sports teams.
But right now, Greg and I are breaking down some new stories.
Just when you think things can't get more preposterous, they do.
So let's just jump back.
And we were on story number one.
I think we had to put a button on that, Greg, before we moved on.
And we were talking about the Pope and the president calling the Pope, weak on crime.
In fact, the Pope isn't happy about the president's direction on Iran.
He feels that what the president's doing is not, you know, it's not Christian.
It's not based in the gospel.
It's not peace and love and things of that nature.
President Trump had thoughts on that.
He said something to the effect of, yes, he is weak on crime.
That's what the president said.
about the Pope.
You know, you know, where is he on pork barrel spending?
I really would love to know.
He's the, I mean, this is like, this was, it was a-
Sunday a Sunday full of postings for the president, but he said quote I don't want a pope who I'm gonna I'm not gonna do the impression I don't do a good Trump I don't want a pope who criticizes the president of the United States because I'm doing exactly what I was elected all caps in a landslide to do unquote He then went on to say that the only reason why Leo was elected Pontiff was quote because he was an American and they thought that he would be the best way to deal with President Donald J Trump
And that's not the end of it, but that's where I have to end it because I just know here actually I'll tell you that quote I don't think he's doing a very good job.
He likes crime.
I guess he's a very liberal person You
this
And the fact that he's standing up to war is exactly what you think someone who follows the Prince of Peace should do.
So I think it's something that could galvanize Catholics and give them a sense of purpose again, rather than just being, well, not told who to vote for in every case, but being led a certain...
certain way.
This is just the Pope is against the war, basically.
And
Yeah.
I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's really fun.
And I go back to the point that the Pope may, he says, I'm not afraid of the Trump administration.
And I really appreciate it because those are important words to say out loud.
Regardless, you know, I, there are a lot of conversations you can have about the Pope, the Pope's role, the role of Pope, the Catholic church.
You know, but someone like that who outwardly criticizes the president and says, I'm not afraid of you.
I think we need more of that.
And hopefully there are more people out there who get who get the guts to do so.
But yeah,
That's sometimes that's a gamble Like that's that's a gamble, but I can't really go to like poly market or Kalsh Kalsh Kalsh I'm not a gambling person.
I just I love my money and I love my money staying in my pocket I don't have a lot of it So I don't know why I would willfully just say hey computer.
Here's some of my money You keep it,
but in
in
know
And I don't mean to focus on this because I know a lot of my friends like to gamble.
I don't.
I'm just, I don't think I'd be very good at it.
And I don't have the money to do it.
But the Wisconsin Council on Problem Gambling estimates that between 300,000 and 350,000 people in the state have a gambling problem.
That's a substantial amount of our population.
Right, you know, you put it on your phone.
They're like, I was joking about before you got, but you've got draft Kings.
You've got Fanduil.
You've got Kelsey.
You've got poly market.
You've got OTC betting.
You've got, you've got cause tribal casinos.
They're trying to build another one in, in Kenosha right now, a hard rock, which the mayor of Milwaukee is against because, you know, Potawatomi said, Hey, be against this or you don't get more our money.
And he's like, okay.
But I, you know,
It says here in the story on 27 WKOW.com says the bill had bipartisan support and the support of a federally recognized tribes of Wisconsin.
The tribe sent the governor a letter on Wednesday encouraging him to sign this into law.
Supporters say it will establish necessary regulations to protect people.
Okay.
But as we mentioned, FanDuel and DraftKings were against this.
They did not like this.
They did not like this probably because now there's other places people can bet.
Greg, I love this.
Ellen Richardson makes the papers.
It makes the news for all the right reasons.
He's on a couple hit shows.
He's been in great movies.
He kicked his neighbor's butt, who was threatening him a few weeks ago.
And now he is part of a new Netflix show that's going to lead survivalist group.
It's a competition reality show.
And when I was reading about that, it said that he was the last time he was on a reality show was American Idol where he sang Paula Abdul as a much thinner man.
Please
We're coming right back after the news with Mr. Mike Clemens.
This is Pete and Greg on Civic Media.
Love that song.
Hey, welcome back to nightlight.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am Pete Schwab, a sitting upstate from Greg Bach, who is coming to you from what to do with that wave that Greg is doing right now.
And Dom Lee, who is in Madison.
We are the Yatterhay Triangle here
sports
now chasing the teams uh... we had a little blizzard come through about a month ago that they're kind of screw things up a little bit but uh... that now you know uh... uh... you know we got uh... we were watching for this to happen that uh... dock rivers would be stepping down as the head coach of the box after two-and-a-half years we and i saw one headlight that he was fired as i i'm not sure that that's it i mean uh... a month ago steven a smith
The commentator and ESPN said, look for doctors to step down and retire at the end of this losing season for the Bucks because a year of reports and drama about is Giannis won out, is he going to betray, does he want to go to the next year?
All those kinds of things, the injuries that they've had, going back to the Damian Lillard, Torna Killies and everything, and then
You know, we started watching these games and like in the last month, you would watch like the fourth quarter of a game, whether around the road or here at home.
And one day one of the beat guys said, hey, you know, we, like when you guys huddle in the fourth quarter, it looks like your assistant, Darwin Ham, is kind of out there running the plays, goes, yeah, yeah, cause you know why?
He's an NBA head coach and I want the world to see that.
You know, we played that clip, you know, in our sports updates.
Yeah.
So he's basically saying, I'd like to see this guy, you know, consider for my job or somewhere else, you know, back in the NBA to get back to a head coaching job.
He'd been with the Lakers.
And then just a couple of weeks ago, we're just, we have these pregame press conferences with Doc and just kind of checking back and forth.
And, you know, he'd been inducted now into the, you know, he's got plans of summer and August.
He's going to be inducted into the basketball hall of fame there in Springfield, Mass.
And he said, you know, I got grandkids now, like seven, eight years old, and I'm missing, you know, grandpa day and stuff like that.
And I'm kind of looking forward to that.
So he's all but he's telling us.
So does that sound to you like you was fired?
Because I talked to him Friday night, last home game of the year.
First quarter was unbelievable.
I mean, they put up 38 points.
And in the last.
10 games or so they've been you know what they've emptied the bench they're trying to assess this roster guys don't get much playing time how to play they've got this cormac lion kid you know 18 points in the first quarter three-point shot was going and they were playing the kind of offense the dock rivers has been trying to get this team to play really all year because even said on record look at the start of the season
john horse the gmail i knew that uh... this wasn't that deep of a roster after losing damean lillard and the other things they thought that kevin porter jr could replace that role as a shooter next to us he's been out the last month with a swollen knee that had to be scoped about a week ago so he's been shut down so they were in terms of the injuries had so many more obstacles again in the whole time that you know doctor's been a head coach there and so i talked to him about this first period and he's also he just went into the speech listen to this
You'll hear me ask them about how they scored 38 points in the first quarter against the Nets in their win Friday night.
Thank you.
It sounds like a guy who's like checked out and I mean a fiery dock rivers.
I'm Mike.
I've been listening to his post.
game conferences for a while now, and he never seemed fiery at all.
He always, in fact, there were times where I said to people like, it doesn't even sound like he cares whether they win or lose.
Like when they lost, they're like, yeah, I lost.
So what?
Like they're just, I never felt personally like there was a ton of passion behind Doc Rivers.
And I may be wrong.
I'm not the world's biggest basketball fan, but it just felt like, you know, this was another stop for him.
And now he's done and he's going to go play with his grandkids, which is great.
But I never took him as fiery.
No.
Maybe he just wanted to overcompensate for that, you know, in certain interviews, one-on-one.
But I mean, he came over and shook my hand.
You know, he's been around a while, right?
Yeah, you know.
I mean, so, here's a guy who came in and thought, wouldn't it be great if I could finish my career?
Because he was actually a consultant for the team before they hired him to bring him in.
He'd also been, you know, on ESPN, too, as an analyst as well.
So with this Yana stuff going on and off and on and off, and even the player Bobby Ports saying about a month ago, I believe on a podcast, so down officially at his locker saying, you know, this Yana stuff is really starting to wear on all of us.
And then it goes to the next level, Greg, in terms of, you know, somewhere, they came back from a road trip, three or four game road trip, and I'm down there and all of a sudden the staff, like the people I deal with every day,
PR some front office they kind of walked around like zombies like and I and How are you Mike?
Are you people and I'm good?
How are you guys doing?
I realized see Peter Fagan the president the last 12 years he's gone and You say hey, what about Brian a new guy?
I haven't met him yet.
Yeah, okay.
I mean so there could be major regime change
What if Wes Eden leaves and they hand it over to Jimmy Haslam?
And then he's already brought in a new president.
I've actually heard some pretty good things about Jimmy, who is the guy that's messed up the Cleveland Browns and some of their trade moves over the years.
But whatever the case, we're looking for, is ownership going to change?
And then after that, are they going to stick with John Horst as a GM?
And then after that, you know, who are they going to hire as a coach?
And then any decent candidate for a coach coming from the outside, like, well, what's your roster going to look like?
Are you going to have Yanis or not?
And which is also why the owners then told John Horst, you will sit this guy, OK?
We don't want to see another blown Achilles.
I don't care if he wants to play with his two brothers.
And if he's recovered from the hyperextended knee, that guy's a commodity now.
And he's either going to resign and commit to stay here for another contract,
or he's property, and we're going to get the most value for him when we trade him.
But he's not going to go injured.
So that's why they sat him.
And it's going to be a busy summer with the box.
He's talking about Yanis there at the end.
He is our civic media sports authority joining us to talk about many Wisconsin sports stories, just to put a button on this mic.
That makes sense, because I was like,
They had a winning I think they were like 48 and 34 or 32 last year or whatever and then Yanis only played like 40 games this year So he can't really put all of that on Doc Rivers, but I do agree with Greg I never heard crazy passion in his voice since he's been here.
So Great reporting my friend.
That's that's really
Is there tension between Yanis and Doc Rivers?
I mean, again, like now that he is apparently on his way out, people are revitalizing the question.
OK, where is Yanis?
Is is he going to stay and maybe have a hand in like picking the new coach and telling what he wants in order to stay here to win, to possibly bring home another trophy?
I mean, like it kind of leaves the.
Unfortunately, the Bucks are looking for another head coach, but also it bring in when it's sandwiched with does Yanis stay.
Do you think Doc Rivers leaving gives Yanis more, more value as far as staying here now he can like maybe start a new or just does he want to get out?
No, I think that Yanis would love to stay in Milwaukee if they had a roster that they thought they were working around them.
They did not have that roster.
Then on top of that, they had the injuries.
And Yanis is like, this is wasting my time.
But whoever's going to be the Janice's new head coach has got a lot to handle there because Janice is a 14 year old kid who just wants to play every day.
And that's part of his problem.
He's 31 and he needs to act like a 31 year old player and not play for a nation last summer.
And then wonder why his calves were out halfway through the season.
Yeah.
Mike, I know we have some other things we want to discuss.
Maybe we've got to do a break in about two and a half minutes.
You want to give us an update on Chris McIntosh, the.
Another person who stepped down as the athletic director of UW, and then maybe we could do some brewers talk after the break.
But what's going on in Madison?
Badgersextra.com, breaking the story last night about six or seven o'clock that the athletic director for Wisconsin Badgers, all those sports programs and over 20 programs, is leaving.
And he's taking a job, a new job being created at the Big Ten conference.
And so, you know, I'm texting about one buddy that's a former player, a part of the alumni, he says, yeah, I'd heard something like this starting Friday, wasn't sure, but how about that?
And when you start to look at it today, it's like, all right, look at, you know, he's made some good hires, like Mike Hastings, the head coach of the men's hockey team that got all the way to the finals of the Frozen Four.
So that was the last three years.
But, you know, the Luke Fickle story as the head football coach has been, you know, up and down.
This NIL thing has been a whole new landscape in the last five years.
And he's going off to the conference that doesn't have to worry about this stuff.
At the same time, look at, I mean, his, his boss, the chancellor, Jennifer Nukin, she's taken a job with Columbia University.
I think they made that official today.
And then the board of regents fired the president of all the universities, Jay Rothman.
Do they know?
I mean, in other words, Chris McIntosh is looking at this.
I'm going to have a new chancellor and a new, you know, board of regents.
You know, I'm out of here.
I don't know who my next boss is.
And it's this turbulent waters.
I think that's what's going on in Madison.
about your
All right.
Now you got me pumped up down, sitting in my car all day, little stones.
Now I'm ready to go.
That's the goal.
I don't know what I was doing before guys, but I'm with you now.
All right.
Uh, this is a nightlight with Pete Schwabba and Greg Bach.
We are talking to our pal, Mike Clemens, who does an outstanding job covering sports.
And he's been a busy guy this weekend.
Uh, Mike, I think you need a couple of assistants with all these stories going on right now.
Tell us what is going on with Greg's Milwaukee Brewers, a five game skid, not
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I mean, there was a whole thing last year where the Brewers had never lost more than three in a row.
Now they've lost five in a row.
And that's the first time that's happened in the franchise, I think, in three years.
First time since they've lost a series, been swept by the Nationals since 2011.
The nationals came into town and they were kind of playing some brewer ball.
You saw them very aggressive on the base running.
A couple times though, the guy would get caught in a pickle and get thrown out because the brewer's infield is so
But the road trip that they had out against the Red Sox and then coming home this weekend.
And at the end of the game last night,
Pat Murphy went back to just saying, look, man, you know, there's no Jackson Cherry away right now at that fractured hand.
And Andrew Vaughn, first baseman, another, you know, long ball hitter.
He's been out with a fracture in his hand.
So they'll be coming later.
In terms of the rotations, like, you know, leverage pitchers like Jared Koenig, a starter like Quinn Priester, Rob Z, they'll get some of these guys back.
So they've had a number of injuries.
And then,
at the end of the game and we you saw um... christian yellich exit after an at bat he's got a hamstring i don't know how bad it is because but he was going in for an MRI after yesterday's uh... lost uh... to the to the and look like the national like the brewers going to come back jake bowers crushed one out to right field i thought it was going out and i thought about three feet short of all you know the warning tracks so they had the best the hits just went falling the right places yesterday
They just kept losing their leads and and blowing ties and like they only one game where they got Like they got smoked the rest of them there were there was there was some decent hitting and some and there are runs coming and they just couldn't keep up and you know I'm watching a game where they're losing and Then they come up to tie and then they just start losing again or the other night where was three three and then boom I look at seven three like
it's it's like it feels like a systematic failure right now where it's not just the bats in the or the pitching.
It's a combination of both.
And as you said, with early on injuries now, we're already looking at Christian Yelich with, you know, getting an MRI.
We're looking at it.
Just it just feels very off putting that to start so strong.
And now we just boom, like kind of lose it all in the matter of a week.
Yeah, but you know at the end of the day you talked to the starter Brandon Woodruff Woody after the game yesterday's like you know it pumped the brakes now we're not the wheels aren't falling off here and Although yeah, okay.
It's not like we've lost five-year-old around here This is pretty normal baseball for April and for the kinds of things that are going on and you know We'll find ways to circle around now They got a good team coming in tomorrow night was in the world series the blue Jays so they open up a series against them
Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at home before they have to go back out on the road.
To me, it's just a sense of they just weren't getting the breaks that they usually get, because other than that, that infield is unbelievable in its defense.
And Joey Ortiz, he had a chance to be the hero the other night, and he grounded out.
He could have won the game, and that's why he bats.
nine, but between him and what Bryce Trang does in second base, it's incredible what they, how good they are on defense.
How I knew that he would like that.
It's Ed policy.
Uh, that's the emcee because he's the new president of the team.
but they're going to have some of current players like edger and cooper it's going to be out there the great linebacker with some former players out there like desmond bishop was a linebacker in the super bowl team and randall cob is convenient to run james jones and so they're going around that they'll start off in green bay tomorrow morning and they're coming down to a rescene county i'm going to chase them there at a couple stops non-pleasant then they go across the state they're going to go to diaries old to the uh... field of dreams uh... and before they make their way back next saturday to green bay
You saw that.
I saw that.
Yeah, the wide receiver.
But see, they got some draft picks out of it.
And Wicks has been a good receiver.
I think he's kind of hit his ceiling.
And the Eagles are trying to stock up at wide receiver.
And so Goodykins with those picks he had to give away to get Micah Parsons, that huge deal with the Cowboys.
He's got a fifth round pick coming up in a couple of weeks.
and a six-round pick next year.
And Wicks got signed by 12 and a half million dollars in a one-year extension with Philly.
He was never going to get that money in Green Bay.
So I think it worked out for both teams, really.
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