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On-stage performer, Tom Kastle on being a great lake pirate on stage. (Hour 2)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Wed Mar 11, 2026
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We have another great guest coming up in just a few minutes This guy's kind of a renaissance man Greg of show business.
Yeah, he's a singer-songwriter an actor
And he's got a show over here at the Overture Center.
His name is Tom Castle, and he's going to talk to us about that in just a few minutes.
I can't wait.
I actually asked 10 hours about this the other night.
To me, that is such a, to me, that is a, that's an old term or I shouldn't say old term.
It's a term that if you want to be called an entertainer, you're not just a singer.
You're a dancer, an actor for this.
Like you, like you provide the entire thing.
You are an entertainer.
That's what I hear that as.
It's like,
And it's sort of like you're at least a triple threat.
You can sing, you can act, you can tell stories.
Like Tom Castle does tell stories.
And I have to say that when Terry Barr was on the show about over a year ago, she introduced me to some of Tom's music.
And I was doing the research yesterday and I was kind of like, I know this guy.
And then I looked through my emails and we had, but his songs are great.
His show is called DanCV Confessions of a Great Lakes Pirate.
And I'm very curious to talk to him about Great Lakes Piracy.
It'll be fun.
So, yeah, if you missed the show, folks, it is available in podcast form at civicmedia.us.
We had a great talk with Andrew Trexler, PhD in polysci, and he also teaches polysci here at UW-Madison.
That was a really fun conversation.
And, you know, what do you say?
Should we just go crazy here and reintroduce the question tonight?
Let's do it.
What are we doing?
It's registered dietitian spelled wrong and nutritionist day.
What is something you wish you could stop eating?
That is our question.
What is something you wish you could stop eating?
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It'll be a lot of fun.
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But yeah, I mean, we love to hear from you.
We love having people's comments in the sections.
We love listening to people's thoughts on this.
This was a tough one for me personally.
I don't know how you guys approach the question, but Pete, what would be something, okay, because to me in my head, I don't connect what I eat to whether or not it'll be healthy.
For me, it's about amounts.
So like, I know that if I, I won't say like, oh, I wish I could stop eating ice cream.
I only eat ice cream a few times a month.
What are your thoughts on the question?
I mean, it's a deeper question than I'm giving it.
Like it's, I'm thinking way too much about it, but Pete, what are your thoughts immediately when you, when you really posed it?
You might, he might not need knee or hip replacement surgery, but he might have high blood pressure.
It's like, is it better to eat healthy and carry extra weight, or is it better to not have to worry about it and keep the weight off?
I don't know.
I'm not one of those people.
If I eat, I gain weight.
So I say anything that's deep fried or with artificial sugar.
Those are two things I would like to... So to your point, it's not like...
I don't ever not want to have a soda again, but if I do, I'll drink a Mexican Coke or I'll drink the real sugar orange crush
You want to make you want to make like I'll go for the the most, you know, whatever version you want to take a piece of string cheese I know how much you hate string cheese Take a piece of string cheese and you want to deep fry it.
That's fine Then you deep fry it yourself like you do all the work yourself And you make it as healthy as possible like now deep fried cheese is not healthy in the long run, but
If you can take out as much as the processing as possible, I think that's what I would do.
When people say things like, oh, I don't eat processed sugar, I'm like, how do you do that?
To me, sugar is an-
Everything that's what I would do.
I would get rid of processed sugar and I would I would stop eating processed food That's what I would get rid of.
I wouldn't stop eating certain foods I just try to make them as healthy as possible
and you could do listen folks You can answer this question any way you want if you just like some people on the on the text line here Marine from Nina said potato chips.
It's that's perfectly fine, too If I could never eat another chip I'd be thrilled
So answer it however you want.
Greg and I got kind of technical there and that's okay too, if you want something like that.
But answer the question and be part of the show.
Breton Brown, dear listening to WAUK says, the one thing I would like to stop eating is actually a drink.
It's soda.
And that's a, you know, I mean, I can't remember what documentary I was watching, but I was, you know, they were talking about how much, you know, the stuff we take in and we don't even think about it.
And people are drinking two, three, four, they're drinking.
two to four two liter bottles of soda a day and That's just and and so when people talk about things such as like I wish I could stop drinking diet soda I'm like because and then this is very insensitive of me.
I Just say it.
Well, then stop Just don't
Nothing against Coca-Cola, but I just don't do that.
Um, I just find it so fascinating when people talk about soda in those terms, cause I can't imagine being pulled so deeply into that where you feel like you have to say, I wish I could stop drinking them.
L-O-L, obviously.
I didn't, mostly because my then-fiance, Jim, said he'd pull a Mike from Friends and change his name to Crap Bag.
First and last name combined.
Oh, that's funny.
Huge roll on the floor.
laughed my ass off, emoji, dealio.
She says, PS, I'm loving the two of you together.
Well, thank you, Carmella.
Thank
I mean, oh my, I mean, oh, a fried dumpling, just a dumpling that, and they come in such small amounts.
So you feel, it's like, okay.
Pizza.
Let's talk about pizza for us for one moment.
Pizza is great, but it's dangerous when pizza comes in the tiny squares, because then it's a matter, it's not a matter of like, oh, I had like two or three slices of pizza.
It's
Oh, I only had like 14 of those little things.
What does that even amount?
So I might as well eat more and that like that's dangerous.
And
So darn good.
John in the 608 says, are you kidding?
Nothing.
Eat it all.
I hope she enjoys it too.
Read into that however you want.
I don't know what that means, but OK.
I think there's something in there that was nefarious.
That's all I'm saying.
We have a
eating Yeah, I mean I have this is sort of a conflicted option, but
coffee, I wish I could give up coffee, but I love it.
I also love the culture of coffee or like the culture, like being able to go to coffee shops, of course, there are more options.
But you know, I feel like I've had to increase, I'm at a big goal basically right now of like being able to have the caffeine hit me and you know, I love coffee, I have drank it since I was 19, so it's just been a part of my life, but I do wonder what it would be like if I just eliminated the need for it, which is basically what it is now.
But
of
is
Like, okay.
I like a sugary drink.
That's what I like.
I like the pop tarts of coffee is what I like.
But that's another one too.
Like where like, I was drinking a lot of coffee when I first started here.
Cause I was working a lot of morning shifts.
And I was drinking like a pot and a half because I was like, I gotta drink.
I gotta give me a week.
And when I stopped, I was getting, when I wouldn't get the coffee, I get massive headaches.
I think that happens, but I still think it's better for you than the people that load up on energy drinks and God knows what you're taking into your guilty.
It's more of a natural.
Yeah.
How about an energy drink with your pot with your scrambled Pop Tarts in the morning?
Breakfast, breakfast, breakfast, the champions.
Can I get my Pop Tarts in Red Bull?
We've got a 608 says, good that you do not drink as many are stopping.
I have tried to quit ice cream, milk, Pop Tarts.
Love both of you together.
got them adjacent.
Love it.
All right.
Well, we got to go pay some bills right now.
But when we come back, we'll be talking to singer, songwriter and performer.
Tom Castle talking about his new show, DanCV Confessions of a Great Lakes Pirate right here on Late Night.
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It is great to have you with us, folks.
And I'm really excited to introduce this next guest.
I became aware of his work about a year and a half ago through our mutual friend, Terry Barr, who showcased his music on one of our Bar Band Friday Night episodes here at Nightlight.
And so I'm thrilled to have him on the show.
He's got a great show opening up at the Overture Center.
He is a singer, songwriter, actor, and teller of tall tales in his new show is Dan C.V.
Confessions of a Great
Lake's Pirate.
Mr. Tom Castle, hey buddy, how are you?
Hey, thanks very much
me
Our pleasure.
It's good to finally talk to you.
I knew of you, but it's great to have you on the show.
And you sound like that intro could have been done in the 1800s.
He's a teller of tall tales.
It's sort of, tell us about you.
I know you're a folk singer and all these other things, and you got this show, but you started, as I understand it, in your garage in Chicago doing rock and roll, and now you're this great storyteller and folk artist.
Tell people about your career, please.
Oh my god.
Well, yeah, Dominic did a good interview with to set this up.
Yeah, we're talking about garage bands like in seventh grade, eighth grade, high school, things
that.
And then ended up being doing a lot of folk things.
Irish pubs touring around the country and a little bit in other countries for about seven, eight years.
Then I got into tall ships.
And my old partner and I started sailing on a very old traditional sailing ship called Charlotte Ann out of Chicago.
And she was originally a Chesapeake Bay-Weister boat built in 1888.
So we started morphing slightly from Celtic stuff to
to nautical stuff.
So we were doing sea shanties, you know, 35 years before it got viral.
And
mean?
That's a good point.
Yeah.
And the citrus fruit was not going to cure that.
basically wrote a job description.
We wanted to sing and sail for a living and see if anybody would pay us to do it.
And we did that for years.
Moved to Madison after I broke up with my ex, and I was captaining a boat for the Michigan Maritime Museum in South Haven.
Long story short fell in love with my deck hand and followed her to Madison, Wisconsin And that's where I kind of hit the reset button Started studying voice and a little bit more music theory and then I got definitely sucked into the theater scene here and Just love it.
I'm having more fun than I've had in my life and I
Dan Seavy came across my radar a long time ago sailing on the Great Lakes, especially you would get passengers on board the ship or at some of your shows and they would say, you know, were there pirates on the Great Lakes?
And if you Google that right now, you'll see Dan Seavy is the name that came up.
And originally before I was doing theater about
eight, nine years ago, I thought I would just write a ballad about it, but never got around to it or couldn't come up with anything I liked.
So I was thinking about a one-man play, but I thought, I can't do that.
That's, you know, out of my league.
But then, but then, you know, I'm in Madison and there's a lot of cross-pollination and David Simmons from Fermat's Last Theatre Company.
invited me to do a one-man show on Joe Hill, the labor organizer, which ended up kind of taking off and going everywhere from universities to the Woody Guthrie Center and the American Labor Museum.
In fact, I'm going to do it at the People's Voice Cafe in Greenwich Village the week before we're doing Dan C.V.
here.
And it's really cool.
And labor history is a good thing to know.
Especially well, hell, if you're on the station that you guys are on you definitely want to know that
So basically I thought well, maybe it's time to do Dan CV and I it took about almost three years to write and develop and I got my friend Francisco Torres to direct it and We have a small team that's putting it together and then we pitched it.
We did a couple previews
performances here and there.
And then we pitched it to Four Seasons Theater.
I had done a couple of plays with them and they went for it.
So they're going to be doing this thing called New Works on Deck.
Basically two world premiere Wisconsin plays, two plays that are, you know, brand new.
One is Steady She Goes by Erika Berman.
And, uh, and my buddy Scott McKenna Campbell is, uh, the music director for that.
We did, we actually did some Shakespeare together a few years ago.
And, uh, yeah, I mean, if you had told me 10 years ago, I'd be doing Shakespeare.
I would say, I would say you're, you're, you're doing too many.
it.
That's definitely, that's definitely Francisco.
He started kicking my button and started challenging me to do things.
And
are doing Shakespeare.
OK, good.
I felt like, should I know this?
So we're going to do all that when we come back.
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Yes,
What I feel about the Beach Boys is is is is
Doesn't make a difference trying to think of a better word, but I was gonna do it doesn't make a difference But here you bring my thoughts and opinions into it to like what start something
Yep.
well Dan CV was one of those sort of legendary characters that if he
If he actually did half the things there are Dan Seavey stories about, he would have to be at least 200 years old.
So there's a section when he first comes to...
When he first comes to Wisconsin, back in the 1880s, he talks about a fact that he ended up in Middle Inland, Wisconsin, and he was thinking of being a trapper.
He was just beginning to get into these adventures, and he had already served in the Navy for three years and sailed with his father up in Maine as a little kid.
And so when he comes into Wisconsin, it sort of suggests that he's a teenager
But at the same time, he's got the experience of like a 35 year old.
So it's a little hard to see exactly what he is.
I kind of modeled him after Long John Silver in Treasure Island.
He's a guy you meet him.
He's interesting.
He's charming.
Then you find out he's not such a great guy.
But in the end, you find yourself
cheering for him anyway.
You want him to get away from the cops.
You want him to have a good life.
And he is kind of looking back at life from being an old man just a few years away from dying.
And he wants to leave a little bit of a legacy.
Because I got
I got kids, and I got grandkids, and a couple wives, and I think those kids should grow up with some stories about me, some good ones.
And he was known for having this sort of New England accent.
And the stories in the play are mostly from a biography by a fellow I met at the Shipwreck Festival in Manitowoc years ago, the Ghost Ship Festival.
And what I ended up doing was Richard Boyd is his name.
And I've been collecting, you know, CV stories for a number of years.
In fact, one of the stories in the play is a story about a couple of kids
is an Escanaba who were stealing off of CV ship.
And when CV caught him, he kind of let them go.
I won't do the whole story, but he let him go.
And it turns out that the daughter of one of those boys is the person I got the story from.
Venet up in Unising.
And her dad was Joe Venet, who was a shipbuilder, boatbuilder in Escanaba, until just a few years ago when he passed away.
And Venet Boatworks is still an ongoing business.
So the
Lakes, there's this huge...
multi-generational, you know, maritime story that goes back generations and generations.
And, you know, we're growing up in Chicago.
I don't know about you, but I had no idea Chicago was one of the busiest sailing ports in the world for, you know, wooden, old wooden ships.
And there were two to 300 tall ships in Chicago, like on any given day back in...
the day, like between the Civil War and around 1890, 1900.
And nobody ever taught us that.
sailing on a sailing on one of those ships, you know, 85 foot schooner back in Burnham Harbor, and started learning the history.
And I met a couple people that founded the Chicago Maritime Museum.
And Ted Karamansky, who's a history professor at Loyola, once upon a time said, yeah, there's this collection of Great Lakes Music at the University of Michigan.
And if you guys are interested in music, you should go check it out.
And that's what kind of launched the sea shanty part of it, especially the Great Lakes sea shanty part of it.
So it's different.
something that we both had our list and we talked about during the super secret show, which by the way, folks, you can get a hold of if you get on the live stream.
I'm just putting that out there.
You keep, you mentioned tall ships.
What exactly is a tall ship?
What does that, like, how does it differentiate itself from other ships and other boats that are sailing out there?
Well, these days, because there are smaller and smaller ships that qualify, but the main thing is that they are traditionally rigged.
Like, if you go aboard one of the tall ships that's going to be at, I'm going to be doing some hosting and tour stuff in New York and Boston in July.
And the ships that are having 100 ships come from all over the world for America's 250th.
And some of those ships are enormous, you know, 300, 350 feet.
Then there are other ones that are
80 to 150 that are also traditional.
So when you step aboard a tall ship and you start the hoist sail and you're steering and you're doing all the shipboard things, you're doing it exactly the way they did in the 1800s.
Now, you will have probably an engine and you'll have electronics and you'll have, you know, satellite navigation and all that kind of stuff.
But the experience is
is something that goes back to at least the 19th century.
So it's keeping it alive.
Our guest is Tom Castle.
He is a kind of a showbiz Renaissance man.
That's how we were talking about you.
Does it all?
My goodness, I mean.
So what will that show be like if people come out and see Dan CV confessions of a Great Lakes pirate?
It's you telling stories, is there music?
How does the evening go?
Well, they will meet Dan CV.
I do it in person
CV.
I originally wrote it to be all monologue.
But then Francisco, my director, really wanted me to play an instrument or two.
And Sarah Marty, the artistic director for Four Seasons, also wanted to do that because she had seen me play many times as well.
And so I gave in and I'm really glad I did.
So I'm going to be using the concertina.
I
don't have it here, but I'll be using that during the show.
And then there are, let's see, I think there's four or five, there's five different songs that are traditional songs that go back, you know, 200 years.
One of them goes back to just, just before World War II.
and they're all from the Great Lakes and one of them is from Halifax Nova Scotia that I picked up when I was doing a sea music festival up there years ago and there's one particular song it's kind of a thread through the entire thing and the concertina kind of represents one part of CV's life and the other one you have to come and
Well, that leads me to my question as far as like, because you said earlier, you didn't see yourself doing a one man show.
You've worked in theater, you've done show, you've performed in many fashions, but I feel like doing a one man show or one person show, however you want to say it.
That's a huge undertaking for a lot of reasons.
And I think a lot of it can also be overcoming the thing of, well, I can't do that.
What was your process just getting into it where you said, all right, I want to do this thing.
And then leading your way into, oh, this has to be a one man show.
And then finding the people around you say, yes, you can do this.
Well, I think a lot of that, you know, we talk about Madison being this really, really nice melting pot of different, different artists and
Francisco Torres is somebody I worked with.
We did a play at Broom Street almost 10 years ago now.
Reigned your monologues.
And
he was on the other side of the table.
He was on the casting side of the table.
And then he started asking me, oh, can you do a, can you do like a Chicago Italian guy?
And can you do a, can you do a Scotsman?
And, you know, and he asked me to do all these, all these different, you know, voices.
And I couldn't figure out why, but he was casting a film he was doing at the
So, and I had not done any film either, but he's the person who's just like, no, I think you'd be really good for this.
So.
and then it was yeah I think you should try auditioning for Madison Shakespeare and then I think yeah maybe you should do this and I have a phenomenal group of friends here all kinds of artists I mean the last album I did like six years ago unfortunately uh you know my the the bass player is Kevin Clark who's a jazz player um
We had Chelsea Shepherd who's an opera soprano who now sings with the Metropolitan Opera Chorus in New York.
We had Emily Mills on drums from a journalist activist Derby Girl and half of my favorite punk band, Damsel Trash.
Dahi Wolf, who's the premier Celtic fiddler in Madison, and a couple other singers, Emily Morrison Weeks.
And we put together this album, and I realized it was like nobody on the album was in the same genre of music, but we played together and had just the best time.
That's
I am especially it brings it's kind of nostalgic because it brings you back to the the Ptolemaud do ceramic bottles that they used to
used to use.
And so that that has a nice place in my heart.
But there are so many great Irish whiskeys now.
And I have to say, Colin Koenig over at Bartell Theatre turned me on to my current favorite, which is writer's block.
No, no, sorry, writer's tears, writer's tears.
That's
And I
And I thought, you know, if you're going to be writing a one man play and dedicating as much time to it, that's
Tom, thank you so much.
Knock him dead at the overture and please come back again sometime.
This is fun.
Thanks, my friend.
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
You got it.
That's Tom Castle.
Check out his show at the Overture Center on March 28th.
Dan, CV, Confessions of a Great Lakes Pirate.
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Let us know.
We talked about that earlier in the show.
We talked about, you know,
I guess some, some people have a problem with pop tarts.
But yeah, we'd love to hear from you.
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We have a wonderful show for you tomorrow.
We are speaking to Dr. Kristen Lyley, host of the Dr. Kristen Lyley show here on Civic Media.
In the first hour, we'll be talking about vaccinations.
We were we were going to talk about an article today about vaccinations in the state of Wisconsin, but couldn't get to it because it was too much for Volody.
Too much.
Anxious energy out there getting out in the world and then in the second hour We'll be talking to a filmmaker Nathan Deming about his popcorn pick as well as what he's working on and he was one of the people we spoke to about the Wisconsin film credit incentives Yeah program the incentives that so we'll talk more about that as well So that's all tomorrow and we love to have you here for that.
We're here five to seven
We have we have a there's been an amended guest who Nathan is going to appear with Jeffrey Kurz who was a former Miramax studio employee and now he is producing
films out of Milwaukee.
The two of them worked on Nathan's new film, which will be at the Wisconsin Film Festival.
And then they'll make the popcorn pick, which I think will be really fun.
I love that.
I love that.
I'm trying to give her a news tip here.
I'm breaking.
No, but have you ever had those that are really sugary, really addictive?
Nerds are addictive.
These are clumped together with a
gooey something or other, and oh my gosh, they are addicting him with Rachel on that one.
And then Nicole says, French fries, I think that's not a lot of people's.
Someone, they didn't identify themselves at 646 says, it's not eggs Benedict, it's poached eggs.
Nacho cheese is my never enough food.
Oh, wow.
I can never get enough.
I know it's not, I know it's not ex-Benedict.
It's the poached egg.
I was, I was, I was searching for the style of eggs.
It's poached
I was raised in the 80s where all they had to do to sell you a sugary cereal, like cookie crisp, I'm gonna use that as an example, is say the following sentence, Pete knows the sentence, anyone who is over a certain age, it's all part of a balanced breakfast.
That's what made you think it was healthy.
You're like, what's a balanced breakfast?
And all they were, Dom, were tiny cookies.
That's it.
All right, folks, we gotta get out of here.
We got a really big back into breakfast talk, but that's important because breakfast is the most important food of the day.
I wanna thank, on behalf of Pete, we are going to thank Dom, Tucker, Traffic, Engineering, without them, nothing works.
We wanna thank everyone who called, texted.
Got on the live stream without you.
There's no us.
Remember tomorrow we'll be talking to Dr. Kristen Lierly as well as Nathan Deming.
Who was the other person Pete?
It's Nathan
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