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Winter Blues & Festive Tunes (Hour 1)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Tue Jan 6, 2026
Broadcasting live statewide from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba, your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a guy who's had a paper route for 25 years but never collected, Pete Schwabba.
All right, welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.
We are live tonight from beautiful downtown Madison, just above State Street, doing the show from here, as we periodically do.
Conrad is back in Green Bay, holding down the fort.
And what a show we have here tonight.
Mr. Aaron Zahmer is assisting with all the technical and all the assistance we need when it comes to the cameras.
And did you ever think...
Conrad there would be this much work or Aaron for that matter and radio for pictures.
It's like we're on TV really
Yeah, I mean, it's it's great though because we get other outlets not just the radio.
So I think it's I think it's cool It
means you can you could get a few of the visual gags out there.
You can't fully rely on it I should have brought the rubber chicken
See if Gordy's got his ostrich puppet.
Oh my god.
Remember that does he keep that in the studio?
I don't know
I'm gonna find it.
If it's here, I'll find it, damn it.
Great to have you with me tonight, folks.
A really fun show on the agenda here this evening, as we always do.
Whether we're in Green Bay or Madison, or one of us is where, Aaron Zommers is nice enough to stick around for a few minutes.
As I mentioned, he just produced the John and Gordy show.
It was good to see those guys.
And are they tough on you, Aaron?
I'm actually,
I
can't really
talk
about that on the air.
Okay, save it.
That's good, we'll talk.
And then you and Conrad can exchange war stories, because I know I can be a real SOB too.
Yeah, there's some
stories I could tell you.
Conrad is an awkward laughter.
There's some
stories.
Tonight is a really fun show, folks.
And I, you know, Aaron, did you put a Christmas tree up this year?
A really little one.
One of
my roommates has a maybe foot.
to foot and a half tall Christmas tree that is decorated with Chicago Cubs stuff.
And we let him put that up because it's easy.
That's like barely a Christmas tree.
Oh, barely.
Yeah.
It just sits in the windowsill.
And that's really it.
See, I don't I don't know what to do because mine is
still up.
Con, did you get a new apartment?
You probably didn't put a tree up.
No, I never put a tree up.
Yeah, you never put a
tree up.
That's a spirit.
Since my
since my parents moved, I haven't had a tree in any of my places.
Is that in some kind of protest or what?
I just don't want to buy a tree.
I don't know.
You can hate the holidays.
It's okay Mine is still up and it's depressing.
I left yesterday And I came down here a day early because of weather and I know I'm not gonna get it down until next weekend And that's just gonna really bum me out.
It's it's hard enough to take down Christmas decorations And as always folks the phone lines the text line is open.
Let us know.
What do you think?
Do you keep your tree up?
There was a time I went through a period where I would keep it up through most of January Kind of in protest of winter like I wanted it to still seem like the holidays because I don't like January or February But then that got depressing So I got in the habit of just taking it down right away, but now I don't know It's gonna be up a solid two weeks
after Christmas and that's kind of depressing.
I know at my parents house We usually left it up for the whole month of January pretty much just because it we
The location of the tree required that we move a bunch of other furniture.
And so it was a huge pain in the butt, you know, pull
the giant
box upstairs because it was a huge tree.
Move all the
furniture to where it needs to go, get everything else cleaned up, get all the decorations out, decorate the tree.
You got people yelling at each other, screaming and throwing punches.
Not really for those last parts, but it was always an ordeal.
And so we would just leave it up and put off taking all that back down for as long as possible.
I think, see, that's the thing too, is you want to put your room back together.
And that's what I don't like right now.
We're still living in Christmas mode.
And you just got to make a clean break.
It's like a breakup.
Get it over with.
Don't drag it out.
Don't try to remain friends with Christmas.
Take the stuff down.
And that's what I'm dealing with when I go home.
So, but in the meantime, we got a show to do tonight.
I got some fun stuff to do tomorrow.
It is great to be in Madison, our beautiful state capital.
Yesterday at my hotel, guys, I'll appreciate this.
I was nobody there.
And I said, I go, it's kind of dead tonight.
They said, yeah, and I stay at this hotel a lot, and it's usually a jump in place.
So I thought, oh, this is awesome.
I'll go tomorrow.
I'll do the hot tub maybe, get a sauna, maybe a little workout or something.
I come back this afternoon.
There is a line for the elevator 100 feet long.
There's some kind of theater convention in town.
And I mean, the Thespians were packed in the lobby of the hotel.
I had to like...
It was like being at a concert.
It took me 15 minutes to get back up to my room.
And now I just know that that's going to be a hopeless cause.
I mean, if I go to the hot tub, they're going to be doing like Hamlet or something in the suds.
And I don't want that.
So it's just going to be me watching TV again.
You know, what's the deal?
No, it's not too bad.
I'll get through it Lots of stuff going on.
We've got news sports and weather folks coming up in just 20 minutes here at the bottom of the hour Can you saw this article?
I thought was interesting the first part of December or this was the darkest December in 21 years or something like that
Yeah, you know, I I really like the sites, you know the shepherd express they have some Like it's I believe it's in Milwaukee and they have some like news of the weird.
It's cold
Right.
I found this article.
It said, yeah, the first half of December was the darkest since 1934 for Stockholm, Sweden.
And it reported that there was like a half an hour of sunlight in the first like 15 days of December.
Oh my gosh.
That sounds terrible.
That is awful.
You know what?
Here's the silver lining, though.
We're already like two weeks past Christmas, almost.
And we're a solid two weeks past the shortest day of the year.
So even though it's January and we're in the dog days of winter, so to speak, it is going to start getting lighter sooner.
We get like 30 seconds of extra daylight a day, which isn't too
shabby.
I can feel it.
Yeah, can you?
It's, you know, vitamin
D. I can't wait till it's it's sunny at seven again.
You know, that's what I'm looking forward to.
Well, don't hold your breath.
We got a way to look at me building
us
up.
I'm trying to go positive and then I go back.
Don't get your hopes up, kid.
A lot of fun on tonight's show.
I am very excited because my good friend, Dr. Kristin Lierly, and I don't just say that about her because I seek free medical advice on a regular basis.
But it doesn't hurt.
No, it doesn't hurt.
I just, every once in a while, I look past the messages she sends me back saying, stop texting me.
But she will be here at 535 to discuss, well, a couple things.
She was in a very serious accident.
We'll ask her about that and see how she's doing.
And then we're going to ask her about the flu because the flu is like all over the place.
This is the worst flu year in 25 years.
Like 10% of all doctor visits deal with the flu.
And frankly, I read that on the CNN website.
I thought that was kind of low because everybody I know has the flu.
It seems like it should be like 50% or something.
But we'll talk to Dr. Lierly about that at 535.
And then Madison's own Mike Gamal will be here.
He's the founder of Joey's Song, a really cool event that takes place here in Madison every January.
And this year, it's become a music festival, the freezing man festival.
And he brings in artists from all over the world, some of the best in the industry.
They all play for free in order to raise money for epilepsy.
Mike has a great story.
I'm going to let him tell it when he gets here.
But the festival is just a couple of weeks away, and it's a really
I'm literally a rockin' time and it's like four days long now, so that's gonna be fun.
And then in hour number two at 6.35, Mike will be here in the studio, by the way, Conrad, so you won't get to meet him personally.
You know, I felt like I've met him personally, you know, just...
Feel like you know him?
Yeah, I feel like it, yeah.
Okay.
How about you, Aaron?
You ever meet Mike Amal?
I have not, no.
No?
Oh, this is gonna be... How long are you sticking around?
Well, I might have to stick around longer than I intended to.
No pressure.
Mike will be here.
And then Rob Thomas will be here at 635.
Also in the studio, Rob and I are going to talk about award shows, what movies are kicking butt during award season, which we are in the throes of.
The Critics Choice Awards just happened last weekend.
The Golden Globe Awards are coming up this weekend.
And then Oscar nominations are announced shortly after that.
So lots to discuss.
Rob has seen a lot of movies.
And he has reviewed a lot of movies.
And he is also the city cast Madison newsletter editor.
So we'll talk to Rob about some things going on in Madison too.
Then this is exciting.
All right.
The Bears and the Packers play again this weekend.
It's the rubber match.
The third time they will have met this year.
They're one and one.
And I've
mentioned before on this show that I am a bear fan living in Wisconsin.
I moved here in junior high up to northern Wisconsin where you think Packer fans are intense all over the state and they are, but I would say within an hour radius, especially in small towns of Green Bay, they are literally fanatical.
And I experienced this firsthand in junior high and it scarred me.
But I've gotten over it.
Some of my best friends are Packer fans.
But Jim McHugh, on the other hand, is a comedian living in Chicago, and he is a serious Packer fan.
So we talked to Jim a little bit about this a couple weeks ago, but we're going to have him back on and have just a quick fun discussion at 7.35 about the upcoming game.
And it'll give him and Conrad a chance to gang up on me.
So that'll be exciting.
That's in hour number three, some Bear Packer talk.
We'll do that as we get closer to the game here this weekend.
We'll try to work in some Bears Packer stuff.
The other news I thought was interesting, and I can ask Dr. Lierly about this as well, Ozympic, you
guys
know what Ozympic is?
Yeah.
Yeah, the injectable drug to help control weight loss and people for diabetes, people use it to help with diabetes.
Correct.
What
Charlie?
It is
now,
yeah, go ahead, Con.
I was saying what Charles Barkley uses.
Does he really?
I saw an ad today that he was, yeah, he was trying to sell it for this company.
He's like...
You want to lose
weight?
Go on this.
Everybody.
I mean, it's become like Tylenol or something.
Everybody uses it.
And now it is available in pill form.
The only problem is the pill is really big and it tastes like a pizza.
So that should be interesting.
We'll ask Dr. Liarley about that.
Really, guys?
Nothing for the pizza joke?
I thought you were serious.
Sorry.
I figured it's a really big thing I was with you.
And then you said, but it tastes like a pizza.
And then I just got thinking about different pizza flavored foods.
Like, is it more like a real pizza?
Is it more like pizza Pringles or pizza combos?
That's where
my mind
went.
Papa John's?
I just got you thinking about pizza.
That's fair.
So we'll talk to Dr. Lierly about that too.
I know a lot of people have taken Osempic and a lot of people you don't, you think wouldn't even really need it.
Take it just to lose a few extra pounds.
So we'll talk about that too, and the flu, so much going on.
Conn, I have to ask you, you know what, before we go any farther, let's get to the question of the night.
This is a fun one.
It is time for the Civic Media Nightlight Question of the Night.
Let's talk about the question.
Okay, question.
Question.
Question.
Pregunta.
Question.
Question.
Okay, I have a question.
Questions.
This question.
Domanda.
Question.
Questions.
What is your favorite soap opera?
or cheesy drama.
We don't talk much about the cheesy dramas, but one of those big soap operas, I want to say it was Days of Our Lives, had a big anniversary.
It started in like 1950 or something like that.
It's been on like 75 years and it got me thinking, I'm not a soap opera guy, but a lot of people are and if I'm cutting the audience in half, I wanted to include cheesy dramas too because there are so many of them out there.
your hour-long network dramas, your soap operas.
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So however you need to get ahold of us, folks, just please be part of the show.
It's always more fun that way.
We've got Jim and Appleton in the 920 says Christmas tree takedown.
I try to follow the 12 days of Christmas rule.
That would mean taking it down on January 6th.
My wedding anniversary is January 13th.
So the tree must be gone between the 6th and the 12th.
Most years that works.
some others, and then a really long ellipses.
We also have a text from Mark.
We'll read that too after the break.
It is great to have you with me, folks, coming to you live from Madison tonight.
It's Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
What is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
Be part of the show.
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Crushing hope that we cherish so deep.
The cloud and storm.
This is Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
I'm very excited to have you here tonight because I'm in Madison and it is always fun to do the show from Civic Media headquarters and I get to see my pal Aaron Zomers who sticks around for a few minutes to make sure we're up and running and all kinds of fun people here at Civic Media.
Conrad is back in Green Bay holding down the fort and in our haunted studio.
So no events yet, Conrad, I take it.
The light's still on, so as soon as the light goes off in the hallway, I might get a little scared.
That's when you wet yourself.
Yes,
yes.
Very good.
So, all right, so I was talking about Christmas decorations and when to take them down.
I feel like, I like to get them down quicker now.
I used to leave them up to kind of kid myself into thinking it was still Christmas.
But then that got depressing.
So now I try to get them down.
Now I'm in that sweet, weird, not sweet, awkward spot where I'm not taking them down early and I'm also not leaving them up too long.
So when I get back this weekend, it's like the 10th, 11th, that's even too late, I think.
Mark from Prairie to Sack says, oh wait, where am I?
I had another one.
Where's that text with the Christmas?
Where are you?
I'm at.
I'm using different equipment.
Oh, it's a mark from Prairie to Sack.
There we go.
It says, I took my outside holiday projection light down today.
Oh, those are kind of cool.
It is Epiphany, the feast of the Magi, the traditional end of the 12 days of Christmas.
So I probably should have waited till tomorrow.
I don't think anybody's going to give you a hard time about that, Mark, but sure, whatever.
He says, still have the little plastic-lighted Christmas tree up, so tomorrow that will come down.
All right, that's sensible.
I think, like, taking him down now is still kind of...
Not that there's an etiquette to it, but that works.
Thank you, Mark.
Jack from Merrimack, answering tonight's... Oh, dear.
Wait a minute.
Jack's got... I don't want to get Jack in relationship trouble.
He says, years ago, my girlfriend was a horticulturist.
We cut our tree two days before Christmas, spent a lot of time trimming it and wanted to enjoy it a while.
We celebrated New Year's around the tree and got pretty busy.
I don't know what that means, gone red.
Uh, he got busy around the Christmas tree.
I think
just always busy with life.
You
should say anything.
You're blushing.
Um, and that's fine.
Uh, he says, so he celebrated Valentine's with it.
It was still green and not dropping needles.
Although I think she put it on some kind of life support.
Her March birthday and mine in April with the tree still up We finally took it down during Easter break and I've got to admit it was looking pretty scraggly by then I would imagine it was Jack.
He says she and I are still good friends and whenever we talk about that time We refer to our Easter tree Is that like some sort of a sin getting busy around the Christmas tree?
No, no, I don't think so because Santa, you know did it with you know, Sam I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus, you know by the tree
That's not really Santa Claus though.
Match from Richland Center in the 608 says, in response to our question of the night, which is, what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
He says, guiding light.
One of my early childhood memories was Riva driving off the bridge.
I'm coming bud.
So cheesy and great.
Sadly, I don't really watch soap operas, so I'm just kind of letting people vent, but I don't have a lot to contribute.
You watch him con you've watched those are way before your time.
Well, I mean I can give my answer if you want Absolutely.
Well, alright, so I really don't have a show Okay, but I have a character Who is it dr. Drake remori?
Okay, the question does not involve the parody of a soap opera.
It's
actually
it's from days of our lives days of our lives.
Yeah, so dr. Drake You know that Joey Tribbiani was
not
really on days of our lives.
I mean, he was on there for a little bit, but then he died going down the elevator shaft.
He killed him
because he ran his trap.
Mark from Prairie to Sack in the 608 says, never really got into the soaps.
When I was in college, I sort of remember classmates following Luke and Laura and Palmer Courtland as the evil father.
I also remember some parody titled as the stomach turns.
There you go.
That's like along the Drake or Moray lines.
Thank you, Mark.
Melissa from Willy Street in the 608 says, hi, Pete.
Question right up my alley.
I was a forever viewer of guiding light.
I died a little the day it was canceled But I have found new soap love beyond the gates beyond the gates.
Oh, it's beyond the gates Okay, and I assume he she means uh, well, I have no idea actually it would it has all the drama and stories You can think of gotta check it out if you are a soapy.
I am not but Beyond the gates, I feel like I know what that is Maybe I'll give it a chance Melissa
just because she's such a good listener.
Maybe I'll watch her favorite soap opera.
And then John, her better half or equal half or, I don't know, lesser half, I don't know what goes on in that household.
In the 608 John says, yeah, soap operas I remember enjoying soap in the late 70s, edgy and still more relevant than ever.
That was a great show.
And I'm glad you brought that up, John.
Soap with Richard Mulligan and Catherine Hellman and Billy Crystal, a young Billy Crystal.
was a really funny show.
Now, I have no idea if it holds up, but I gotta give it another watch.
That's a great text.
Thank you, everybody.
Keep those texts coming.
Kristen Lyrely is coming up after news, sports and weather, which is just around the corner.
We're going to talk to her about the flu and this, I don't know if it's an epidemic, but it's really bad this year.
The worst it's been in like 25 years.
We'll talk to her about maybe get some tips about how to avoid it other than a flu shot.
I don't think a flu shot is all you need, but it definitely helps.
We'll talk to her about that though and see how she's doing.
She was in a bad car accident.
So we'll talk to Kristen Lyrely, doctor Kristen Lyrely.
It's how you should refer to her, Conrad.
That's
how I always do.
She's board certified.
Wouldn't you love to be able to say you're board certified at something?
I mean, that would be pretty cool.
I think it would be, too.
What is this cat burglar story?
You keep showing me this cat burglar story, and I read it, and
I go, it's interesting.
I can't remember if I sent that to you or not before.
You sent it to me again.
I'm like, wow, he really wants to talk about this cat.
And it's a
courier, somebody kidnapped a cat.
That's not fun.
That's horrible.
Okay, maybe my sense of humor is a little weird.
All right, folks.
Our question of the night is, what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
Mine is the following.
I will elaborate as the show goes on, but I thought that was a really cheesy show about serial killers that was on about 10 years ago, and some people loved it.
including our own Amanda Nimmer.
So we'll discuss as the show goes on.
Dr. Kristin Lierly is next.
Afternoons, sports and weather, so great to have you here, folks.
It's Night Light with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba, coming to you live from Madison tonight.
Folks, it is great to have you with me.
Our question of the night is, what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
It was actually all my children that debuted in 1970, which was sort of the inspiration for this question.
It's been on 55 years.
But there are soaps that have been on even longer than that.
I've never really gotten into them, but they are still around, and I know people love them.
And that's the kind of guy I am, folks.
I want to put this out there.
Even though Melissa from Willy Street says, beyond the gates, I've never heard of it.
I wanted her to have a forum and soap opera people to feel included, because that's what I like to do here is build bridges.
And I'm about to do that with one of my favorite guests.
It's my pleasure to welcome back one of our best chums who joins us from the comfort of her own home tonight because she is recuperating and we will get all the details and ask her all kinds of fun questions.
Dr. Kristen Lyrely.
Hello, Dr. Kristen.
Hey, Teed, how are you?
I am well.
The question is, how are you?
Look, for our viewers who can see, just wait, I gotta shift around.
Hold on.
Wait, I gotta move my
mic.
Don't hurt yourself.
If you're on the stream, look at that hoof.
Holy smokes.
I got to do a pink
cast.
That's a pink cast for a broken ankle, right?
Yeah, I have a broken ankle.
My other leg is broken.
What?
I know.
I survived a really bad car accident.
I got t-boned by a semi in the fog.
But
I
know it was crazy.
And I remember every moment of it and all the sounds and all of the fantastic people who took care of me.
But I am.
incredibly lucky to be alive and to be cognitively well.
And I get all this time off now because I have to recover.
So watch out.
I'm going to be everywhere.
Not good for your patients, but we are reaping the benefits of that.
Thank you for being here tonight.
Look at the wall.
OK, if you're watching on the stream, folks, I talked about you earlier, Dr. Lirely, and I said you were board certified.
I was making an assumption.
I don't even really know what that means.
I just said I would love I would love to be board certified at something and I don't know if is it only doctors that can be board certified?
I'm sure there are other boards in other like professions, legal or whatever.
Right.
Okay.
I'm
sure.
And for us, what it means is you go through medical school, you do that piece, and then you do your residency training, which is like the specialty training.
So for me, it was OBGYN.
And then you have to actually sit and do this grueling oral exam where you get grilled by these famous people in your field, people who have written all the papers that you studied, who you're
really kind of afraid of.
They grill you on some of your own cases because you have to record all of your cases.
And
they also grill you on like a lot of theoretical stuff.
It is so hard.
But that's what we do in order to be
good and ready and sure that we can stop the bleeding and get the baby out and do all the important things.
Plus, manage your menopause symptoms and help with that painful sex and all of those other things that we deal with.
So, yeah.
That's what I mean.
Let's just back up a second there.
You said painful sex.
Dysporonia.
Yes.
Ooh.
Do I want to ask what that is?
I want to make Conrad
blush.
It's painful.
Whether you have a partner involved or not, can it be painful?
Yeah.
I mean, if you're having pain, yeah, you got to figure
it out.
I'm asking for Conrad.
It's not me, Kristen.
I'm asking for Conrad.
I have kind of had this discussion already
today, and
we decided that we were going to focus all of the embarrassing stuff on you.
Oh, well, that sounds like enough.
Well, listen, I love talking about all that stuff with you because I love how you don't blush.
You're like all scientific and clinical and board certified, whereas I'm all that stuff you were saying before, I would be certifiably bored, B-O-R-E-D, if I had to listen to someone else talk about medicine.
But you make it exciting.
What I heard you say, Pete, is that you are sort of fly.
But I don't have a pink cast.
And I just want to say, I'm glad you're OK because I was telling John and Gordy before I came on to their show at the end of it.
And I texted you about coming back on the show.
And then the next day, or you texted me back and we're having like this back and forth.
And then the next day on Facebook, I see your car.
And I'm like, that had already happened.
She was like responding to text after she had been in this accident.
I think if I got the timing right.
So it's kind of a miracle that you're OK and that you seem to be OK.
trauma aside, I'm sure right after.
So good for you.
Oh, I was so lucky and the emergency medicine technicians.
I work in a rural area.
I am always trying to find an ambulance to take my sick patients away from the hospital.
We
can't provide all their care and get them to a higher level of care.
And it's a challenge because a lot of these people are volunteers.
And when I personally needed people down in random lake down by Sheboygan, these guys showed up so fast and they were
so incredibly kind and it treated me with respect and professional.
And only one of them was actually an employee.
Everybody else was a volunteer.
And as they were wheeling me into the hospital, the guy who had been driving the ambulance was walking next to me and we were chatting a little bit.
And he was so happy.
He said, it's my birthday.
I'm 70.
And I was like, this is amazing.
He said, I've been doing this for decades.
I love volunteering.
But, you know, we need these people, especially in rural areas where there aren't a lot of people and things like this happen and we all need a neighbor, a helping hand.
I've been so honored by that and just the outpouring of support that I've received.
It's been, it has restored my faith in humanity.
Wow.
It has helped to make so many beautiful new connections and I've heard so many stories from other people about things that have happened in their lives.
So, you know, just at a time when you're feeling like the world is on fire, everything is heavy.
I know
We're going to talk about some of that later.
But when it comes down to your neighbors, we're still here for each other.
And
that's everything.
Absolutely.
And you don't ask someone their political preferences before you help them.
You just help them.
And that is kind of a saving grace.
There's a great documentary called, I think it's called The Providers and it's about doctors that go into rural areas and the crisis in rural areas.
You'd probably love it.
I introduced it on PBS a few years ago and a great watch.
So I highly recommend it because it kind of goes hand in hand with what you're saying.
Oh, I love that.
I also love how you just slipped in there.
I also introduced it on PBS.
Hey everybody, Pete's famous on PBS too.
Listen, the one time I was on TNT, I had a really cool thing happen.
No, check out Dr. Liarly.
She is the host of the Dr. Kristen Liarly show, which you can hear on weekends here at Civic Media.
She also delivers babies and does all kinds of fun stuff.
And she's recuperating, as we just heard from what sounded like a horrifying accident.
Pete, can I tell you what the show is going to be about this weekend?
Because we
just taped it today with
Conrad.
It's so good.
Nikki Sappiro Vinkier and she's an OBGYN PA.
So she is like part of my team, not my personal team, but like part of our team.
So it's, you know, doctors and nurses and PAs and nurse practitioners.
We all work together and she does the same kind of stuff that I do, but her focus is empowering patients so that when they go to the doctor, I don't know if this happens to you, but when you're a patient and you go to the doctor, you.
kind of don't know what to say.
You know your story, and you know what you think you're supposed to do, but there's such a power differential there.
And so
many of these
exams can be invasive, traumatic, depending on what your history is.
You may not know which questions to ask.
And she is all about empowering us all as patients, especially women, because there's a lot of tender stuff that we talk about as women.
And getting the most out of your relationship with your doctor.
It's going to be, I love this episode.
I think y'all are gonna love it
too.
Oh, that's fantastic.
How is the show going otherwise?
You've been on now for several months and you're just great at it.
It keeps getting bigger and bigger.
We're on in Chicago as well, on broadcast.
Wow.
We're on
YouTube, but Dr. Christoph Meyer, Lisa Vic Media's been incredible, doing a lot of shorts.
We're trying to combat the misinformation that is rampant.
And the less people can get access to health care, the more they're turning to social media to get their health care information.
So that's what we're pushing back
on.
Well, we're lucky to have you.
Thank you so much for doing that.
That's entertaining and providing really necessary information.
So that's outstanding.
Let's talk about the flu.
What is going on?
You know, I told this story earlier.
My daughter, I picked her up from college.
She had the flu.
I couldn't get sick and I don't want to leave her there too long.
So I wore a mask.
She wore a mask in the car.
We both had flu shots.
I didn't get the flu, but man, she was in a lot of, it kind of ran through her whole department in college.
What is it about this year's flu?
Knowing that our kids go to college together, I'm just breathing a sigh of
relief that my
son does not have it.
And they're in the same department.
They're in the same department too, yeah.
Crazy.
So
flu
is on the rise right now.
And I'm just going to refer to the CDC's weekly US influenza surveillance report.
just a little caveat here.
The CDC is compromised and it's hard to know whether the data is good and reliable or not.
But there are still some really good people who work there.
And I believe that this is a good report.
So that's where I'm getting this information from.
Influenza is up.
It's up 33% in the last week in December.
That's the latest data that we have available.
And the most frequently reported virus is one that we didn't necessarily plan for when we put the vaccine together because they
have to plan so far in advance.
So the vaccine isn't awesome, but it's good.
It still offers protection.
And if you do get influenza and you are vaccinated, you are likely to get a lesser version of it.
So that's really good.
Another number that really stuck out to me was 33,000.
Over 33,000 people were hospitalized in that last week of December with the flu, which was a lot.
And nearly 1% of the deaths in this country.
in that last week of December, we're due to influenza and we see that it's trending upward.
So it's getting worse.
We are stuck inside.
We've all been exposed to each other.
If you haven't gotten a flu shot, it is not too late and they are effective.
You know, it's interesting you say that because like we were saying we heard it was going to be bad this year.
My daughter got one, my wife and I got one and my son, we said, you know, get your shop before you come home, get the vaccine.
Well,
Of course, he doesn't.
My daughter's home.
So we had to keep her on one floor, him on the other.
And we managed to circumvent the flu, at least in his case.
But everyone that got it in her department that didn't have a flu shot, it really kicked their butt.
Like couldn't get out of bed, that kind of stuff.
So I have every reason to believe that's totally true what you're saying.
So what else can people do, Dr. Lierly?
How can they prevent, aside from just isolating, how do you...
Is there food you can eat?
I assume rest is good.
What is the best way to beef up your immune system?
Stay healthy.
Rest is always good, getting a proper amount of sleep.
exercise, eating good for you foods, always great advice, washing your hands.
It seems so simple.
I know.
But
washing your hands, using a hand sanitizer, not touching your face, your nose, your mouth, because we carry germs around all the time.
We all do it.
And you know, if you are at risk, or if you're concerned, or if you're going to be in a crowd, it's never a bad idea to wear a mask, especially if you are vulnerable.
And I know that there are a lot of political things that go along with that, but we've got it.
to set that aside.
This is about health.
It's about your health and your family's health.
So just please take care of yourself.
You have to reach a point to where you don't care because the people judging you.
You don't even know them.
They could be the biggest idiot in the world.
They could just be, you know, ideologically opposed to any kind of face covering for religious, who knows what the reason is, but you got to do what's right for you.
I mean, I wore one when I was with my daughter in the car.
Like I said, I went into the store with her and I'm not getting the flu and I don't care what you, you know what I mean?
Like we have to get over that, right?
Yeah, I wear a mask when I operate.
all the time.
I wear a mask in public when I need to.
Yeah, we've got to leave the politics behind.
We've got
to get
politics out of medicine because it is affecting so many of the decisions that we're making.
I mean, look at the changes in the vaccine schedule that just happened yesterday.
RFK Jr.
and his department have reduced the number of preventable illnesses that we vaccinate against from 17 to 11.
They've totally changed the schedule and they've offered
really no reason, no evidence, no data, other than Denmark does it.
I
mean, I haven't
heard anything.
Do you know how long it takes to put this stuff together and how much information and how many smart people make these decisions?
And just
with a magic wand, be like, boom, we're done.
Dr. Larely, I'm going to keep you for just two more minutes, OK?
We'll be right back.
And then you can go back to recuperating.
It's Peach Wild by Nightlight.
We're coming right back.
Welcome back.
This is Nightlight IMP Chwaba.
Coming up after the news in just a few minutes is Mike Gamal, the founder of Joey's Song.
a really outstanding music event that's turned into a full music festival.
It's happening in just a couple weeks here in Madison at the end of January.
We will talk to Mike about that.
Rob Thomas at 635 to talk movies and award shows.
And then Jim McHugh, a Packer fan living in Chicago, is gonna talk with me, a Bear fan living in Wisconsin, and he and Conrad are gonna gang up on me, so that should be fun.
Right now we have a few more minutes with one of our best chums, Dr. Kristen Lierly, who is telling us...
What we can do to prevent the flu.
The flu is up this year.
It's the worst outbreak of the flu in 25 years.
Dr. Lierly, what do you attribute to all these respiratory issues and RSV?
Is there something in the air?
Do they have any idea what's causing it?
Well, they've always been there.
All of these respiratory things have been there, but now we have a vaccine.
actually more than one vaccine for RSV.
So if you're an older adult, a vulnerable adult, a little tiny baby, this affects kids.
There are things that we can do to prevent it if you can get those vaccines.
depending on what's happening with the vaccine schedule, which is challenging to follow.
So, I mean, RSV, I think is one of those things that we just didn't talk about a lot because we couldn't do anything about it.
But now that we can do something about it, you're hearing it more.
And then also COVID, you know, we're all, it hasn't been that long since COVID
took
over our lives and then just kind of slowly petered off, but it's still present.
People are still getting sick with COVID and COVID does make you
vulnerable, it does kind of prime the pump for future respiratory issues and other problems.
So COVID is still a problem, still recommended that you get that vaccine as well.
I don't mean to sound like the vaccine queen, but vaccines are one of the greatest public health victories in the last century.
And if we could go back 100 years and see what it was like to die from diphtheria and tetanus and all of these preventable diseases, I think we'd have a very different perspective than where we are right now.
Is that a thing like, do we have enough information about COVID that it does cause or it can make you more susceptible to respiratory illnesses?
It can make you more susceptible to many things in the future.
I can tell you from an obstetrical perspective,
when you look at the placenta of somebody who, we look at placentas after the baby comes out, that's like all part of it.
So when you look at the placenta, which is just a big
mass
of blood vessels, I know, I'll bring you along sometime.
I'll send pictures.
I can send you pictures.
Please.
But because COVID is a blood vessel disease, the placentas of people who have had COVID tend to be smaller and less healthy.
And we know that people like pregnant people who have had COVID tend to have more
of vascular issues down the
road.
So COVID is not just a one and done.
Like when you're cured, you're better.
It can absolutely have lingering effects.
Are you familiar with Osempic?
Do you know much about Osempic?
I noticed today it's now available in pill form.
And my joke laid flat.
I said, and it's a huge pill, and it tastes like a pizza.
And I got just crickets from Conrad.
So what do you think about Osempic, Dr. Lyle?
You should be used to that reaction by now, don't you think, Pete?
Not just from Conrad, sadly,
yeah.
The ozempic pills, the same medicine that's in ozempic has been available as pills for a long time.
But they didn't see the same kind of effect with the pills that they saw with the shot.
So let's go back a little bit.
Osemic was not originally a weight loss medicine.
It was a medicine used to treat diabetes and the side
effect
was people lost weight.
So people started saying
Boy, if you lose weight, like good enough for me.
So people started using it off label as a weight loss drug.
So now we're kind of coming back around to do the pills work as well as the shot.
And, you know, I'll be really honest, I don't know what the data is on the pills.
The last thing I saw was that the pills didn't work as well as the shot, but I'm sure for some people they work just fine.
That's amazing how I love when they do research and they stumble into something else.
It's just like, it's kind of, Exactly.
It was a hair treatment, right?
It was a blood pressure medicine.
Or blood pressure medicine.
I knew it was.
No,
monoxidil.
Monoxidil was a blood pressure medicine that actually grew hair.
So now it is a hair treatment.
Wow.
I know.
And then you have to play that game.
Well, if I take this, this will happen.
And then I have to take a pill for that.
My friend used to do a joke.
He's like, if I take hair stuff, I can't get erections.
And then if I take erection pills, I can't do this.
Like it's just a circle of.
And I tell him just drink more water because that's the kind of guy I am and that's my medical expertise.
Never a bad idea
to make
sure you're drinking
enough water.
So you're doing better.
You're on the men.
That's exciting.
Have you watched any TV or movies like since you've been sort of laid up?
I'm sure you're still working because that's just how you are, but you must have moments where you're watching some TV or a movie or something.
What can you recommend?
I don't love watching TV, but I do love the Beatles.
And the beetles always make me feel good.
So I've been watching a lot of the beetles.
Let it be.
I watched
it.
Oh
gee, yeah.
And then I sang while I'm watching it.
And my kids were like, mom, stop.
Now you have four boys.
Are they taking good care of you?
Yeah, they bring me things.
That was not a ringing endorsement of your sons.
They're not nurturing, but they definitely do things as asked.
And they are honestly, they're wonderful.
And they listen to me talk.
And that's been like, you know, recovering from something like this requires like, there's a psychological aspect to it as well.
And I recover by talking and they listen.
So maybe that's the most important thing.
That is huge.
And just remember, if you need anything,
Conrad is a hop skip and a jump away there in Green Bay.
He can be over there like that.
I know how to find Conrad.
Dr. Lirely, glad you're on the mend.
Thank you so much, Kristen, for your time tonight.
You come back.
We'll do this when we have more time.
And when you, I don't think I've ever known you without crutches because you just had surgery before and you came in on crutches.
There will be a day when you are out there and at it again.
I promise you that.
I'm going to ride my bike to the studio and then we're going to go for a bike ride on the Fox River Trail, Pete.
You know what?
My Shlun varsity is in the shop at the moment, but whatever you want.
You get through this, we'll do whatever.
That sounds great.
I have my handlebars.
You can be on my handlebars.
We'll have to take the basket off, but sure.
Tom from New Brilance says, Dr. Lylee Rocks.
Agreed.
Tom, you rocked you.
And I think Tom rocks too, exactly.
So all right, Kristen, thank you so much.
Get better soon.
We'll talk soon.
Thanks.
Have a great night,
fellas.
Kristen Lyrely, check out the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show here on the weekends on Civic Media.
We are coming right back after news, sports, and weather with Mike Gamala from Joey's Song.
It's Pete Schwabba in Nightlight on the Civic Media radio network.
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
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Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a man barely six feet tall, but a mountain of muscle, Peach Waba.
You know it.
Welcome back, folks.
This is Nightlight, a Tuesday night edition, and we are broadcasting live from beautiful downtown Madison, our state's capital, just above State Street here.
It was really fun.
If you missed hour one, we talked to Dr. Lylee, not necessarily a great subject matter, talking about the flu, and this year's outbreak, which has gotten really bad and some respiratory issues happening around the country that's gotten
out of hand.
Conrad, have you had the flu?
Yeah, I've had it.
This year?
Not this year, not this year.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I'm
hoping not to get it.
Really?
Yeah, I don't want it.
He's not the best color man in the business for nothing, folks.
Do you like what I say that and compare you to Bob Yooker's sidekick and just a bit outside?
I mean,
he's great.
So I love it.
You like any connection to Wisconsin sports.
That's why I know I could say those things to you.
That's Conrad Krieger, folks.
He is working the board tonight back in Green Bay.
Coming up at 6.35, Rob Thomas is here.
He is a Madison-based film critic and the CityCast Madison newsletter editor.
We'll talk to Rob about what's going on around town in January here in Madison and movies and award shows.
That will be fun.
Then at 7.35 tonight, my pal Jim McHugh, a very funny Chicago-based comedian and Packer fan.
will join the show and he will represent Packer fans in Chicago and I will represent Bear fans here in Wisconsin and he and Conrad can gang up on me.
It'll be a fun discussion about the big game this weekend.
Our question of the night is what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
I said the following because it was really bad.
It was a Kevin Bacon show a few years ago where they had like a big mansion that serial killers could hang out in and they play ping-pong.
It was just a very strange world.
that seemed, I don't know, really made up in Conrad Lake's days of our lives because of friends, because of another TV show.
Dr. Drake or
Maury?
Dr. Drake or Maury.
So let us know what your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama is tonight, folks.
That is tonight's question.
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Right now, I'm very excited to welcome my next guest.
He was on the show a few weeks ago and I thought, we should have Mike back on when I'm in Madison, because he could come into the studio and we can make a proper case for this really cool event that is literally just around the corner here.
Mike Gamal, the founder of Joey's Song, joins me in the studio.
Hey, buddy.
Pete, how are you, man?
Great to have you here in person.
You are a rocker, man.
You look like...
Well, you got that rock and roll thing going, and I'm kind of disheveled too, but I can't claim to the fact that I'm this great musician.
But you're here and playing the part, and you look like a rock and roller who is putting on a really cool rock event for a very good cause.
Well, part of the reason I can do this is I spent...
25 years working for IBM when I was a grown-up.
Wow.
And I didn't get to do this.
Okay.
Wow.
So now that I'm retired, I get to let it grow, baby.
I don't have to be a grown-up.
I put my tattoos and all that other stuff that I couldn't do back in the day.
So yes, it is a really cool event, Joey's son.
All right.
So tell us.
Tell us about Joey's song.
You started this this event in honor of your son and now it's become a full-blown music festival Tell us how it started and about Joey and and how this wonderful event came to
be Well, you know the evolution of it Pete is is actually kind of mind-boggling to be really honest.
There was no master plan You know, I didn't sit down and crafted all out.
We started out my son had a really terrible form of epilepsy called Dravet syndrome Epilepsy is like a lot of
illnesses, it's a spectrum disorder.
There's tons of causes, tons of ways that manifests itself, some severe, some not.
And unfortunately, Joe got on that really far end of that bell curve.
And when we lost him in 2010, just shy of his fifth birthday, we thought we need to, we actually thought about trying to do something before he had passed his prognosis was really bad.
He was going to need care all of his life.
But we felt like maybe there's something we could do.
And I had spent a lot of time here in Madison.
Long time ago, back at a club called Headliners, which was down on University Avenue.
And we had a lot of the, I describe it as the MTV bands on the way up and the sixties bands.
So we had you two and the police.
Oh my gosh.
You know, all of them when they're first and second albums were coming out and then, you know, Savoy Brown and all these bands on the way down.
Yeah.
Um, but the key to all that is there was this guy kicking around Madison at the exact same time called Butch Vig, right?
And so Butch and I, we weren't.
particularly close.
We hung around with the same group of folks, right?
And then Butch went on to win Grammy Awards, MTV Boon Man.
I mean, you win a Grammy Award for producing Paul McCartney.
You've pretty much hit the top or most of the pop.
That's some street cred right there.
Yeah, let me get you.
So anyway, when we were trying to hash out exactly what we were going to do, because we still wanted to help, we say help the next family, right?
And that's what we're here to do.
Somebody is sitting in.
Was in a neurologist's office today with their child getting a really crummy diagnosis and they're scared.
They're scared and they don't know what to do and They need to know that somebody's out there doing what they can't right?
So Joey's song is our attempt to use some of my and then through osmosis butchers musical connections and now it's kind of grown to turn into this this two-night music Festival we change it up every year last year was four nights this year It's two nights because we try to make it a little bit different every year
get all these amazing people that come from all over and play music that they don't normally play.
It's like the world's greatest live jukebox as opposed to anything else and it's all in the name of trying to raise money.
It's a beautiful thing.
And I love what you said when you were on the show previously that they don't take money to do it.
They come here
They play music, they get to play music, they don't always play, so you make it fun for them.
Rock
camp for musicians.
Yeah,
I mean, what a fun thing.
It really is, I mean, as tonight's Tuesday, and they'll start coming into town tomorrow.
Wow.
Almost all of them will be in town as of tomorrow.
They'll rehearse, because even though it's kind of ramshackle, it's also, they're still professional, right?
They want to do a good job.
And they come and...
Two beers and a ham sandwich is what I say their fee is.
I don't know what... It's a good Wisconsin pavement, right?
There's some cheese curds in there.
But, you know, just look at some of these people.
I know what, like John Resnick of the Goo Goo Dolls gets for a show.
Yeah.
It's... There's many zeros after that.
He's, you know, he's not taking a penny for it.
I know what Butch gets to produce a record.
He's, you know, and go right down the list.
The go-go's, the bangles.
you know, Kurt Smith from Tears for Fears, Matt Sorm from Guns and Roses.
I mean, all of these people make a lot of money doing what I'm asking them to do for free, and they come in willingly and do it.
I can't really, down to Swithy Pete, get my mind around it sometimes.
I
can't even imagine.
Like, it's so funny.
I'd like to sit here and tell you.
I mean, I've pretty much been, in some form of show business, my entire adult life.
And I'd love to say, oh, I'm not starstruck, but...
John Resnick, you mentioned.
When I moved to LA, I was there probably a year, and I was going into a convenience store, and he came out with a big gulp.
I'm like, that's the guy from the Google.
Just getting a big gulp.
He's just a regular dude.
You knew Butch Vig before he was Butch Vig.
I've interviewed him twice.
I never knew.
When I saw him, and we were in the green room together at PBS, I was like, my god, that's Butch Vig.
There are some celebrities that have done, you don't know why they're famous.
And then there are those who are like, this guy has done something.
He's produced all different kinds of music, won awards doing it.
And you kind of sit there and you're like, what do I say to
him?
And then
Butch starts talking about the Packers.
I'm like, OK, there
we
go.
And obviously I have no BV for a long time.
So I knew that.
But you meet all these people.
If you don't, I don't even know how to say this without sounding weird.
If you don't treat them like something special, they love it.
You know, right?
They would rather, most all of these people would rather talk about the Packers or their crocheting class or hot yoga than, than what the 86, you know, Lollapalooza tour was like.
And I learned that early.
I had, there were a couple other friends that I had that I've been.
that have had modicum of success, and I know that for a fact, because you're hanging out, and the quickest way for them to go cold to somebody is going, oh, I love your music.
Can you explain to me what you meant by this lyric?
But if you come up to them and say, I know you're from Glasgow, there's some great, they'll lock you out.
Most of them would just rather be you and me.
I think they'll take some of the trappings that come with it.
That's
good to know, Mike, because I'm nervous even talking
about that sort of basket case I am.
I'm intimidating as
hell, Pete.
Michael Wallace, my guest.
He is the founder of this great event, Joey's Song.
His son, Joey, lost his life at the age of five due to a rare form of epilepsy.
And he was a music lover, and you founded this really cool thing.
Now it's also called the freezing man festival.
So what can people expect, Mike?
You said there were a few tickets left for Saturday night.
Let's say they put their money down.
It goes to a great cause.
We know that.
But what's the night like for them from an entertainment standpoint?
That's the best question you can ask Pete to help me sell what we do.
Great.
It's a one-off event.
You will see.
So if I again go down the list of performers, right?
And you know, go goes in bangles and all that other stuff.
It's not a go-go show.
It's not a bangle show.
Yeah, they'll do like Jane, Jane Weedlin from the go-go's former Madison resident wrote our lips are sealed.
I'm sure she'll perform that song, but she's also going to do a Beatles song or a stone song and she's not going to do it with her band.
She's going to do it with Butch on drums and Nikki Monninger from Silver Sun Pickups on bass.
Here's my say what you're going to see is these.
one and done performances, things you'll never see again.
Wow.
You know, these, these kind of FOMO moments.
I'll tell you my, a quick story.
This is my favorite example of it.
The first year we really got this going as it was, we had Dave Perner from Soul Asylum singing.
We had Chris Collingwood from Fountain Zoane on guitar, butch was on drums, Freedy Johnston, and I believe Kay Hanley on vocals.
And they did take the skin heads bowling by camper Van Beethoven.
Right.
I mean,
You couldn't do one of those, you know, put the words on the fridge in any order and come up with that.
And it was awesome.
People lost their mind and it's gone.
I mean, that's the beauty of this.
It's truly a moment.
So that's what you'll see and you'll see that for a couple hours.
I have had a peek at the set list and there's gonna be some pretty amazing things happening.
When they play a song like that, and all these people come from different bands, and maybe some of them know the song better than others or whatever, how much rehearsal?
Do you know Mike goes into something like that?
Yeah, I do.
It's amazing because the notes start about a month before the show, right?
Well, Butch and of Alex Drossert, who's from the Appleton area who kind of helps put all this together, we start working on the set list and kind of slotting in people.
And once the people get their name attached to it, the techs start flying.
So the physical rehearsal will start on Thursday.
You know, they won't all be in the same room, but there's already notes a month ago on what key we're going to play that in.
We're going to drop it down a step.
Are we going to?
Can you?
I mean, like I said, it's ramshackling the best kind of way, but none of them want to be embarrassed up there.
None of them want to not know what they're doing.
So.
It's a lot of effort, a lot of effort.
That's
crazy because I love when musicians get together and do that.
Like I saw the George Harrison tribute concert
with Billy
Preston
and
George Harrison's kid.
And it looks like they're just jamming and having fun because they're professionals.
And you
go, oh, they're
that good.
But you're saying, even though they are professionals, man, it gets
through the teeth.
Yeah, there's no laying low.
because there are professionals on stage with people they're not normally with, so nobody wants to be embarrassed.
I mean, a lot of these people know of each other, but may not know each other until they, and now we kind of built this larger Joey's song family, but they want to hold their own.
I mean, if you think about some of the expertise that's on that stage, you know, you don't want to, I mean, Kurt Smith, base for tears for fears, right?
you don't want if you're a fellow base player you want to make sure you're getting that right when he's out there or take Matt's arm right the drummer for guns and roses and the cult he's played with Alice Cooper and all these people and Billy Gibbons from ZZ top if you're a drummer and you know Kurt's going to be on the kit next.
So there's great.
There's a lot of that and that's great and
you know even and listen even people who are kind of famous can be starstruck They get on the stage with someone they idolize they don't want to be embarrassed either Mike Kamala is here.
We're talking about Joey song when we come back after this very short break folks I'm gonna tell you they've got some serious Wisconsin star power hosting this baby.
I'll tell you who that
is
after a break It's peach wabba and nightlight on the civic media radio
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It is a Tuesday night, folks, in beautiful downtown Madison, and that is where we are broadcasting from tonight.
It's a Tuesday night edition of Nightlight.
I am Pete Schwabba, and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.
My guest in the studio right now is Mike Gamal, the founder of Joey's Song, a great music event that he named after his son, who was the inspiration for the whole thing, and they raised money for epilepsy.
And it's just a phenomenal event.
musicians come in from all over the country, they don't take any money, and it's turned into quite the Gala event.
Yeah.
Mike, who is the host of this year's event?
Well, this year we have returning for his third year, and the only reason it's his third and not his fourth is because I screwed up the schedule last year,
I want to be
very clear.
Everybody's favorite newscaster from the Man of Toachmanic, Charlie Barron.
Charlie always helps us keep things rolling along.
Yeah.
Oh, what a great...
I'm sure he does a great job at MCing too.
Especially like, you know, what do you do for musical acts?
You know, comedy is just a great way to break that up a little bit, I
think.
It is, especially with what we do, right?
Because if you're doing a reel in, one of the things that's really important, you asked earlier what people can expect,
one of the
things that's really important is what we do is serious, how we do it is not.
Right.
So it's not going to be, and there's nothing wrong with fundraising, with making sure people understand the devastation and all that.
And you will, when you leave, understand the implications of epilepsy.
But it's up.
So for our show, when you've got people playing songs for the first time, it's a much different vibe.
And somebody like Charlie can keep that ball kind of rolling.
And he's great at it.
If people don't know Charlie's himself a musician, he's got a couple albums out.
He
had
a gruel did a couple ones called supper club music or sorry, Charlie, if you're listening, I got it wrong.
But they do they do music that fits his comedy.
Right.
So they'll do a song about a salad bar or relish
or that kind
of
stuff.
That's fun.
All right.
That's a great evening.
The World Health Organization, Mike, help me wrap my head around this, says epilepsy is the most common or serious brain disorder worldwide.
It takes more lives than breast cancer every year.
It affects more people than multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy, and Parkinson's disease combined.
Yet the funding for epilepsy research is behind all four of those individually.
So it's more prevalent than those four, but each one of those gets more funding.
Do we know why that is?
I have a theory.
OK.
You'd like to hear that.
Yes.
We're on the radio.
Let's do it.
Sure.
Can we get a light bulb over my head?
Epilepsy was stigmatized forever, right?
It wasn't until 100 years ago that we understood what it was.
It was the devil.
It was demons.
It was you were crazy, right?
So for the longest time, you were stigmatized with it.
The
other part of it is, with all those other diseases you mentioned, you can physically see the manifestation of it.
If somebody's got MS or MD or cerebral palsy or any of those Parkinson's, you can physically see them.
Unless somebody's having a seizure in front of you, which does not happen all the time, you don't know it.
So it's very much of a hidden disorder for people.
And having been a part of that field, the people that have it,
And no matter how you say it, there's a shame or an embarrassment that goes because one of the things when somebody has a seizures, they black out mostly.
They don't know it.
So imagine other than spending too much time at your local distillery, having these things where you don't remember what you did for a while in front of people that you can't control.
So all of those factors make it not something people often talk about.
But I will tell you, once you start talking about it, you find out how,
it manifests itself all over.
I mean, you mentioned, I now obviously talk about a lot, the number of my dad, my uncle, my cousin, me, you know, I had seizures and it's so well, one in 26 people will develop epilepsy in their lifetime.
One in 10 people will have a seizure in their lifetime.
People with epilepsy are three times more likely premature death than the general population.
So it's something that needs to be talked about.
It's something that we need to figure out.
But the reason why it lags behind all that, at least in my mind, is all that stigma that's come with it.
And it's not.
physically apparent.
That makes sense.
Absolutely.
So all right, given all that information, what we just said and what you just said about epilepsy, if people can't make the show but want to make a donation, can they do that?
Yeah, they sure can.
There's lots of ways that you can help.
joeysong.org and joeysong on all the socials is the easiest way to find us.
You can make a donation, it helps.
Keeping in mind, and you're a great straight man, Pete, you should do this for a living.
I
mean, you've led right into it.
Keeping in mind that none of these artists are taking a penny and we have no paid staff at Joey Sung, you can know that your donation isn't paying an executive direct, not that there's anything wrong, I realize charities
need to
have that.
I'm not throwing shade, but you can know that your money will be going where it needs to be going.
And if you really want to get something out of your donation, we also have an auction, a silent auction going on that you don't have to be present to win.
And we've got guitars by Gugudals and Brad Paisley and Cheap Trick and Jason Isbel and Def Leppard and all of these amazing people have signed guitars for us.
So if you need something for the man caver, the she shed.
We've even got Alanis Morissette donated a signed harmonica.
You can pick up your Alanis.
A little
Arbor Day gift
or something.
So those
are all the ways that you can help us fundraise.
because then we can turn that all around and get it to the smart people in the lab coats that are trying to figure this out.
I love it.
That's so great, Mike.
And will Frank Anderson be there as my final
question?
Frank will be there in his undertaker ensemble.
Have you ever seen the black
man
and the old and yeah.
And nobody pays a lap steal like Frank.
He's awesome.
He is the best man.
And he can play.
He can play.
And it's not just that he plays it while he can play any style of music well, too.
You can have him doing a
you know, a ballad and then the next one can be a three-chord rocker and Frank is right there with
you.
He's such a good dude.
I call him a showbiz and a renaissance man.
I would rather read Frank's Facebook posts than watch most of the TV that's on there.
That's how what an interesting guy he is.
And I guarantee
you there will be three nuggets and anything Frank tells you that you would go, what?
Exactly.
I don't care for him personally, but I do like his... No, no.
He's got a hygiene issue.
There's all sorts of things.
We agree with that.
Yeah.
Mike Kamal.
Knock him
dead at Joey's Song.
So much fun.
Thanks for coming in, buddy.
You bet, man.
All right, that's Mike Gamal.
Go to Joey's Song, hashtag Joey's Song on all the socials, and find out how you can help.
It's a great cause and a great show.
When we come back after the news, folks, we will be talking with Rob Thomas.
He's coming into the studio.
This is Pete Schwabba in Nightlight.
Great to have you with me on the Civic Media Radio Network.
All right.
That was fun.
What a good guy.
Mike Gamal was here talking about Joey's song.
And if you missed any of the show so far, folks,
Know that you can go to CivicMedia.us and hear my discussion with Dr. Kristen Lierly from Hour Number One regarding the flu and the very high flu numbers this year.
And then my interview with Mike Gamal, what an interesting guy, started Joey Song after his son passed away from epilepsy and they raised money for epilepsy research and also put on a pretty damn good show from what it sounds like.
We should go to that, Con.
Yeah, I mean, it sounds very, very, very fun.
I agree.
And we should do like a broadcast or something there next year.
Would you come down to Madison for that?
A nightlight road trip?
Nightlight road trip, baby.
Come
on.
Oh, yeah.
Rob Thomas should be along shortly.
We'll talk movies and award shows with Rob and kind of what is happening around Madison in January.
We will discuss all of that with Rob when he arrives.
Oh, there he is now.
But right now, let's read some text.
You know, Tom from New Berlin also said the comedy show, Soap,
was based on, it was sort of a parody of a soap opera, and Billy Crystal was on it, and he says, Bert was hilarious too.
That was Richard Mulligan, and he was really funny on that show.
And John Murray also made reference to the show, Soap.
He said, I remember joining Soap in the late 70s, edgy and still more relevant than ever.
Here's the thing, Soap was outstanding parody.
It was soap opera-ish, but it was very un-soap opera-like.
was just a great comedy and it's a show I always whenever somebody brings it up I always mean to watch it and then I just kind of forget about it but it was as a kid I loved it I don't even think I was supposed to be watching it I think my parents thought the subject matter was a little too mature for me do you have restrictions on you Conrad when you grew up your parents never not let you watch something
well yeah I couldn't go to you know the the naughty channels when I was young
the adult theater
Will you please stop Conrad from wearing a trench coat into the adult theater?
Right over here, buddy.
Rob Thomas has arrived, folks.
We'll get Rob situated.
Mark from Prairie to Sack says, he wears a mask when he goes into stores, not to get the flu.
That was in regard to our discussion with Dr. Kristen Lyrely.
And I don't blame you, Mark.
You do not want this flu.
It's a terrible strain.
Mark also says, I'm sorry, it's Tom from Hartford said, is it?
COVID still killing 300 people a week.
That doesn't sound like a cheesy drama.
It actually is a drama.
I don't know, Tom.
I'm not, and I'm sorry I missed that when Dr. Lierly was here, because she would have been the one with the answers, but he also says, Medox, Medoxical?
How do you spell that, Con?
For hair growth.
What is it?
Medoxical for hair growth?
Monoxidil.
It's monoxidil.
I think Tom had a spell check on, or he just created a product in his own basement.
He's trying to get it out there via night.
I'll try it.
Which is fine.
Yeah, give it a shot, Con.
See how your hair is growing better than the show.
Steven in the 262 says, the followers was great.
Okay, he liked the followers.
Man, I don't know.
That's a great segue into my next guest who joins me here in the studio.
He is another one of our nightlight best chums.
He is here quite often talking about movies and TV.
And we'll ask Rob Thomas about the followers if he remembers it, because he joins me here in the studio, Madison-based film critic and our friend Rob Thomas.
Hey, buddy.
How's it going?
Good.
How are you?
Good.
Can you hear me?
OK.
I raced in here.
That's a Conrad question.
OK.
Can we hear Rob?
Sounds good to me.
OK.
Sounds good to me, too.
You raced.
What happened?
Parking.
First time to Hamilton
here at Madison, so it
was a little more.
That's
right.
So where
did you
park?
On the other side of the Capitol?
You know,
I paid like $10
for.
event parking.
This isn't an event.
This isn't an event.
This isn't like Joey's song, but it's... That's right.
It's a PD's song.
There you go.
Do you remember the show, the followers?
I don't feel like I've never heard of it.
It was Kevin Bacon starred in it, and it was about...
Serial killers worshiping another serial killer.
Oh, that's right I thought it was beneath him to be honest to do something like that because I think he's a pretty respected I just thought it was really cheesy, but we have listeners who really liked it.
I know my cousin really liked the show I remember discussing it with her.
I don't know didn't do it for me though personally
Yeah, there's that run like really really dark serial killer shows and that was one of those yeah,
but this one they had like
Some guy was bankrolling serial killers.
He was putting them up.
They had like a mansion.
They had a ping pong table.
It was just serial killers hanging out together.
It's not so bad.
Talking shop.
Why would you go out and kill if you got it?
You're a ping pong table at home.
Boy, that's a great point, Rob.
Yeah.
And that's why you get paid the big bucks.
That's why I'm just having you here, seeking your expertise.
How are you?
I'm great.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Had a good holiday and ready to jump into the new year and the...
You know, we've had a pretty solid winter here in Madison.
So far so good.
Yeah, so yeah,
it's good.
Bomb me today.
Yeah, weird.
I don't like it.
This is great.
You don't like it?
You a winter guy?
Well, yeah.
I mean, if we're going to
do it, let's do it.
You just came from Antarctica, so.
There you go.
That's true.
You're a little skewed.
Yeah, yeah.
This is fun.
Do you have a New Year's resolution?
Did you come out of the holidays thinking, this is Rob's year for such and such?
Not really.
No,
I got, I
got a book project I'm working on that I would like to, I'd like to, you know, get, get, get to the, some sort of finish line this year, but.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
About movies or.
No, it's a,
I mean, I should talk about it.
It's like a, it's like a fiction book.
Yeah.
Oh, like a narrative.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's been
really fun to work on.
So I'd like to sort of get it to a point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how, is that harder to write than movie reviews?
Oh, so much harder.
Yeah.
Unbelievably.
Yeah.
It's the hardest thing I've ever done, but it's, it's really been.
fund the whole way.
Like
I did like a revised your novel class here in Madison a couple of summers ago.
I've had people read it, give me feedback.
I've really enjoyed it.
I mean, it's probably somewhat comparable to, to making a movie where you've
got
like a million different decisions, but at least with me, there's no money involved in like,
you know,
See, I'm the, I'm the same.
Like I think it would be overwhelming writing a book and I've written screenplays, but you have benchmarks.
You kind of have to hit and I like that.
Like a novel seems so overwhelming.
Right.
Like where do you go?
It just seems like such a blank canvas.
Yeah.
So I mean, I mean, just to say I wrote like a, what I'm writing is like a heist, like an ocean's 11 type thing.
So, which is fun because they're sort of a very specific structure to that.
Okay.
So like I kind of knew like, okay, now I got to have.
a new character.
Now I gotta have a new complication.
So that helped me
kind of go through it all the way, so.
That's fantastic.
Well, good
luck.
Thanks, man.
That's good.
What do you, have you gotten the flu this year?
No, I've been blessed.
Bianca, or hosted city cast has been laid out this week from it.
It's a bad one this year.
It
is, yeah.
I got my shot, but that doesn't mean.
It doesn't mean you won't get it, but at
least it'll help you get the edge off,
yeah.
We have a...
We know we're competing with Hamilton tonight.
Not really, because it's not on the radio, but you thought you were gonna be there tonight at first.
Have you seen that show before?
I have.
My daughter and I, I don't know with you and kids, when they're younger, they have a year where they're just obsessed with something, and that's what's going on.
My younger daughter, there was a frozen year, and then there was a Hamilton year, probably 10 years ago when it first came out.
We just listened to the soundtrack all the time.
And then we went to see in Chicago, and it was fantastic.
And so we might go together tomorrow night.
And she's now
in college.
She's older.
She's got other priorities.
She's a boyfriend.
And
I totally respect all that.
But
yeah, I remember thinking he was amazing.
back then, and I don't know if you've ever seen
it, but... I saw it in Milwaukee with my daughter and my wife.
I think if my daughter wanted to bring her boyfriend, I would sit between them.
Is that
something you would do during the...
I don't
know.
Hamlet is not too hot and heavy
when we're talking
about the Constitutional Convention.
It's not gonna get anybody's motor run.
Right, right, yeah.
Do you have a favorite Broadway show?
We talk about movies a lot, Rob.
You write about movies, but as far as the Broadway stuff goes, do you have a favorite?
That's a good...
question.
I mean, Hamilton might be my favorite.
I'm not that well versed in, okay, brought brought more in movie musicals, probably.
Yeah, like West Side Story, the original, I think it's fantastic.
Yeah, I probably would love the musical version if I ever saw it.
Yeah, that's probably the big one, I think.
I think Les Mis, for me, is probably my... But I know there are some people that think Les Mis is over the top or whatever it is, but I've seen it three or four times.
I can't get enough.
I'd go see it tomorrow at the Overture Center.
I
saw it once at Overture, and I also thought it was over the top.
If you're going to do
it, you might as well do it.
It makes you want to walk around and talk like this with your hands.
All right.
Rob Thomas is my guest, folks.
He is a Madison based film critic.
You can also see his work at City Cast at Madison, where he is the newsletter editor.
He does great work there.
So I don't even know where to start.
Let's start with Madison in January, Rob.
You wrote this great thing in City Cast.
So before we get to movies, what are some things to do in Madison this January?
Interesting.
Well, January is kind of an interesting time in Madison because we're such a college town.
And
so things have kind of quieted down.
I think you mentioned the freezing man festival, which is a big thing going on now in January's here.
You probably just took Mike's parking spot.
I probably did.
You probably slid right in there.
So
that's become a big one.
The other big music thing is these.
These local festivals they do like there's a Wisconsin folk festival and a punk festival and a bluegrass festival and a metal festival like You get to go see three or four look great local bands.
Yeah genre for like ten bucks
Wow, it's
great.
I mean because a lot of the national bands aren't touring right now So the the theaters are pretty empty.
So it's like a great thing for them to get people out and a great thing for You know music fans to like, you know
get in touch with like your local scene.
Yeah.
You know.
And it's
a great
scene here.
I mean,
it really is.
Yeah.
So that's something I really enjoy.
But honestly, like, like in January, I mean, if there's no on the ground, which now there isn't, there might be next week, it's getting out to ice skate at any part.
That's
what you wrote about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't realize there were that many great places to ice skate here that are picturesque.
And just really cool.
Yeah, I mean the city has
I think over a dozen parks that have ranks and they're all free and some of them have free skates, right?
One of them I think is showing a movie like you could they just put a big screen up and so you just skate around and watch the movie which you know, I'm all for
that's what I need is a distraction.
That's right.
Trying to keep my balance.
Well, I want
other
people to be distracted when I
go when I hit the ice.
Yeah,
exactly.
Yeah.
So that's very cool.
That's very cool.
And then I saw also you have
uh great new restaurants in madison and i i forgive me if i've asked you this before did you ever eat at smokies on university i didn't i
i'm it is my regret mine
because
they were there for years drove by them all the time and then like i think they announced they were closing in like two weeks
Like that place was packed and I could not get into it.
And it seemed like within a year, there was something built there.
They tore it down.
It was this cool old rock building.
Yeah,
you couldn't, you couldn't miss it on University Avenue.
And
yeah, it was these places are going away.
And it's like, I'm going to try to, regardless of what city I'm in, go to these old places that still have the leather booth, right?
You know, stuff like
that.
Well, I wrote something for city cast because there's this place on State Street, Himmelchule, which is was the first.
Nepali restaurant in the entire
country.
Really?
Yeah.
And so it was a fixture there for, I think, 35 years.
And they closed abruptly, like they announced New Year's Eve, they were closing New Year's
Day.
Oh,
no.
So I wrote something on like, these are like the long-term restaurants in Madison.
You're Mickey's Dairy Bar.
You're Tornado Room.
Oh, Tornado.
You know,
Esquire Club.
Tornado Room was actually not that old, which I didn't realize.
It's only...
The tornado rooms only dates back to the nineties, but they, uh, they just re took over an old restaurant and didn't do, but just kind of didn't look, kept the look, right?
Awesome.
Yeah.
And the
building is like 150 years old.
So it feels like you're, you've walked back in time at least.
The
last time I was there, they don't look like they're in any, they're not closing.
They're good.
They're good.
All right, Rob Thomas is here.
We're talking Madison and we're going to shift the movies at some point, but it's just good to have them in the studio.
We are coming right back.
Our question of the night, what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Yeah.
Nick from Marshall says, his favorite cheesy drama is House.
That's a good one, Rob.
Do you ever watch that show?
No, he was like the detective doctor or something.
Yeah, real kind of a bad attitude.
I never watched it.
I didn't know it was cheesy.
I thought it was like this gripping drama, though.
Right.
I guess it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
This is Pete Schwabbit.
And Night Light, great to have you with me, folks.
We're broadcasting live from beautiful Madison, Wisconsin tonight.
And our question of the night is, what is your favorite cheesy soap opera or drama?
Larry from Deerfield.
Says favorite soap my sophomore year 1971 to 72 an all-male dorm in a small residential private college I don't know if I like where this is gone in Minnesota.
I experienced an amazing phenomenon a couple dozen guys would gather in this Chicago kids room He had the best TV to watch all my children AMC and to boo Susan Lucci that seems mean Rob
Is that why she lost
14 times?
She didn't have the college boy vote
He says, she played heroine Erica Kane.
I think it was therapy for most of them.
I mean, I kind of, I, without having watched the show, I kind of had a crush on her cause they will always show her when she didn't win.
I'm like, she's a teen boy.
I'm like, she's beautiful.
How did she not win?
You know, that's, I always said she
was the villain on that show.
I don't know why I always thought that cause I never watched it, but
okay.
She might be.
Uh, Daniel from Manasha, Danny wheels says soap opera answered days of our lives.
One of the many nicknames I've given my son over the years is Bo Brady.
a classic main character from the show.
Okay, Daniel.
Thank you, sir.
I'm sure your son appreciates that as well.
Rob Thomas is here, folks.
He reviews movies very well, and he is also the CityCast Madison Newsletter Editor, and he joins us here often to talk movies because we love talking movies with him.
So you said you did not see the Critics' Choice Awards.
Did not, no.
All right, the big winners, and I don't know if this surprises you.
It probably won't, Rob, but one battle after another, one best picture.
Yeah, that's what I
would think,
yeah.
And then they also won Best Director for Paul Thomas Anderson and Best, something, oh, Adapted Screenplay.
Yeah, okay.
I didn't even know it wasn't Adapted
Screenplay.
It was an old book by Thomas Pinchin, I think, Vineland.
Okay.
Yeah, I think that's where it's from.
And I have to say, if you're Ryan Coogler, and I liked one battle after another, it's just more my kind of movie than Sinners.
Sure.
But I appreciate what was accomplished in Sinners.
If you're Ryan Coogler, are you like, what do I have to do?
Like he put all these components costumes story direction music He had the vampires.
I mean, I don't know.
Oh, do you like that choice is one battle?
I know you I
think that is I think my favorite moves the year were one to bat one ball after another and sinners
So I gotta be completely either one.
Yeah You know, I would say there is still part of critics and part of sort of voters in general in Hollywood that are
resistant to horror, even though sinners was so much more than a vampire
movie.
Oh,
yeah.
That may have hurt it a little.
I mean, hurt it in the sense of like second place instead of first place.
Right.
But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hard to know, but it does feel like one battle is going to be kind of the juggernaut this year.
It's
one of
those.
Some of the years it's like, oh, could be two or three of these different movies.
And this is kind of yours.
That's going to be one bell after another all the way.
Yeah,
it'll be interesting.
Will that carry over?
Do you think like into the other award shows?
Some years, it seems like it does.
And some years, it seems like it does.
It's interesting because because like critics don't vote in the Oscars.
I don't think.
Right.
It's it's all professional
people.
Correct.
Yeah.
So
it so it shouldn't.
But there's this like, I mean, it's sort of like the Golden Globes, like the Golden Globe shouldn't have an effect because those are all foreign journals.
Right.
But it's like people give it importance.
because it's like part of the Oscar campaign.
And if you win, then you can, you kind of build momentum.
So it shouldn't, but it could in
a
weird way, you know, like it starts to make one battle seem inevitable if it just keeps winning and
winning
and winning.
Yeah.
I don't know what you would do.
There was some talk of all the cast being nominated or for like a SAG and Ensemble Awards or something like that.
But yeah, the other movies, I think, what else will get nominated?
Like the Oscar nominations come out next week, correct?
Is that right?
I think it's next week after the Golden Globes.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's like the holidays.
You're correct.
But you're
right.
It's usually like the Tuesday after the Golden Globes.
That's
right.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
One battle for sure.
Sinners for sure.
Uh, I think Hamnet, I think is one.
Yeah.
I haven't seen that.
Yeah.
It's excellent.
I think it's excellent.
It's, you know,
it's, it's a very sad movie,
but it's
incredibly well acted.
Um, what else would I weapons?
I don't see.
I think that's what it, like horror is
going to hurt it.
Yeah.
Train dreams.
Uh, I don't know.
I think, I feel like people are starting to discover that one, but it's kind of slow.
I think, I mean, you were talking raving about it last time we talked.
I still
caught it.
Yeah.
Um, let me try and think I'm starting to think maybe Kate Hudson might get nominated for song.
So she's
getting a lot of attention.
That'd be really cool.
Uh, Marty Supreme, I think is one that's going to get nominated.
I thought it was
great.
I think it's a very polarizing movie in some ways.
Wow.
Did you see uncut gems?
I did.
It's like, do I, if you want to be super uncomfortable and stressed for two and a half hours, Marty Supreme is your movie.
I was all for it, but like, it is like him just getting in and out of one jam after another.
Okay.
But I loved it.
I thought it was super entertaining.
I can't wait to see it.
We're going to talk about all these movies too after the news.
What else are we missing?
Like in terms of best picture, I mean, you know, and is there, I want to ask you this too, Robbie, is there a stereotype or a bias against Netflix?
The industry seems to be not very happy with Netflix for wanting to kill the movie theater business.
Will that affect any of their movies like A Train Dreams that might
Mayor may not get
it.
It's an interesting question.
I don't know.
I mean, they're very powerful.
They had a lot of good movies this year.
Yeah.
And I think they probably may want to kill them with kindness and convince them to kind of keep the theatrical model.
Right.
But I guess we'll, I guess we'll see.
We'll see.
Conrad.
Yeah.
Are you there?
I am.
You still here?
Yes.
How much time do we have?
Happy New Year's.
Do you hear music, Rob?
Yeah, I
hear take five.
Okay.
But this feels very cool and elegant that we're listening to jazz while we're talking.
But I
don't know why we're listening to it.
I didn't know what.
I thought there was a
radio.
I thought
there was
a radio
left
on here.
How long has that music been playing for a minute?
I thought this was like the awards and they're playing us off.
We're breaking for the news and we're coming back with Rob Thomas.
We're going to tell you what you should see at the theaters, folks.
This is Pete Schwab and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Chwaba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a guy who wants planted evidence so he could make a citizen's arrest.
Pete Chwaba.
Welcome
back.
Great to have you with me, folks.
We are broadcasting live from Madison, Wisconsin tonight.
I am at our headquarters here at Civic Media over State Street.
And Conrad, I have a confession to make.
You were playing the music, but
I
swear I heard other music.
And then Rob and I were talking during the break, there's a trumpet player down on State Street.
So I don't know if you could hear that, but that's what that other music was.
Like, why is he playing the music with five minutes left to go?
He's pretty good.
He's good.
Yeah, we should throw a quarter out the window.
He's better than take five by Stan Getzer, whoever it was.
Um, great to have you with me tonight, folks.
Uh, we are entering act three here.
Uh, at seven 35, my friend, Jim McHugh will be here, a very funny Chicago based standup comedian who is a Packer fan living in bear country.
I am of course, uh, of course a bear fan living in Packer country.
So he and I will have a fun Packer bear discussion.
And I'm sure Conrad will join in there as well as the big game approaches Saturday night in Chicago.
So that should be a fun talk.
If you missed the rest of the show or are just joining us, Kristen Lyrely was here in act one and talked about the flu and her recovery from a really, really crazy accident.
She's lucky to be alive and it was really great to talk to her and know that she's doing okay.
And she also gave us some tips on how to avoid getting the flu.
All of the previous hours are available in podcast form at civicmedia.us.
And in hour number two, Mike Gamal from Joey's Song joined us.
And Conrad is back in Green Bay.
How's it going there?
I mean, it's rainy.
It's gross outside.
It's going to freeze.
I'm going to be slipping all over.
Oh, man.
It's like 70
here.
Oh,
really?
Oh, wow.
I wish you were here.
I wish I would have came
down.
Rob
walked in and Bermuda shorts and drinking a margarita.
So our question of the night, folks, is what is your favorite soap opera?
I thought of this last night because I saw that all my children, I've already forgotten it again, came out in 1970.
That was the anniversary of the date that the show dropped.
So the question tonight is what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
So let us know.
We'll get caught up on some texts pretty soon.
In fact, I wanted to read Conrad's family is texting like, what is going on?
Are you having a family reunion Conrad?
They're all texting in at the same time.
I think so.
Look
at
this.
We got Aunt Carla, Conrad's dad, Conrad's mom.
It's awesome.
Sydney Politics checks in on the stream and says, Happy New Year.
Happy New Year, Sydney.
Conrad's mom says, hallmark mystery movies, predictable, but still enjoy watching.
You ever watch those with your mom,
Con?
I can't remember the last one.
I don't like all Mark movies, really, so.
Do you like life Mark movies?
I love life Mark movies.
Have you ever heard our trailers, Rob?
Our life Mark movie trailers?
I have not.
Oh, man.
Oh.
Treat.
If you don't like them, they're free.
Conrad's mom also says, from Conrad's dad, tell him, one of my 2026 New Year's resolutions will be to make sure he has a Christmas tree in his new apartment.
They were listening at the beginning of the show.
She says, as Tiny Tim always says, God bless everyone.
Thank you, Paula, and thank you, Steve.
Your dad is making your mom text tonight, Conrad.
Yeah.
You okay with that?
I'm all right.
It's all right.
All right.
In the meantime, folks, we have more time with our pal, Rob Thomas, who joins me in studio.
We were talking about award shows.
We started with fun things to do in Madison in January.
There's outdoor ice skating at several different places.
You can read about all of this in the CityCast Madison newsletter, which Rob is the editor of.
And a lot of fun inside events too, Rob.
Great bands, playing around town.
That's
exciting.
Yeah.
And
the freezing man
is...
Michael was here like, I mean, yeah, we're, we're rich in stuff to do even in January.
You know what?
And I, all I do in January up in Marinette is trying not to go outside.
I
need
something.
You know what I mean?
Like a good concert or something.
And there's good music.
There are people to play, but man, it's just, it's tough to get yourself out of the, like you probably have to, cause you write about this stuff.
You probably have to leave the house during the winter.
Yeah, I probably, I do have to leave.
I mean, I have to leave the house for my own sanity.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, when I'm like, when it's like dinner time, like, oh, yeah, I haven't actually talked to anybody other than the dogs all day.
Then it's like, then I have to, I have to go interact.
I'm one of those people who are really chatty with the barista at the coffee shop.
I wanted to ask you, you also wrote something.
The whole staff at CityCast did an article about food in Madison, the best food they ate
in
2025, which I thought was another great angle that you guys come at things from at CityCast.
You wrote about Detroit style pizza.
Can you explain?
I've only had Detroit style pizza at Little Caesars like during a football game.
Sure.
And it was good, but it's just, is it just breaded more bread?
What
is Detroit style pizza?
It sort of like takes the pizza right to the edge.
And so instead of having the crust, it goes right to the edge and then the edges are kind of, the cheese is kind of caramelized.
And I didn't think I would like this because I, you know, I.
I spent a lot of Chicago.
I like your deep dish.
I like, I like big crust, but there's a place in Madison called molten monkey pizza.
Love it.
Great name.
And a friend of mine were at a bar across the street one night and we got it and it was fantastic.
Like it was so, it was definitely one of the best things I ate.
Wow.
25.
So, um,
You know, and I'm not, this is no shade against the little Caesars, but you can
throw two of them.
You get two of them.
But it was, it was incredible and, and their pizzas are actually kind of smaller.
So they're like great for two people.
So
you
have leftovers, but it's, it is a different way to do pizza.
I think it may be a little faddish, but they really do it right
there.
I was so moved by what you wrote.
You apologized to the city of Detroit for prejudging their pizza,
as I
recall.
Right.
Well, we had a longstanding grudge with me in Detroit, me in the motor city.
So we finally buried the hatchet.
You know, it seems like to me as a guy who spent a lot of time in Chicago in my life, you got Chicago style pizza, you got New York style pizza, both very definitive.
Absolutely.
It seemed like Detroit was just kind of shoehorn its way into the argument.
Right.
And it's just like a square pizza with a little more bread.
I think
they need something to disassociate.
I think
I think they've they've set themselves
apart.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And you like Chicago pizza.
I love Chicago pizza.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, when that you go to like Giordano's, there's like that hubcap of sausage, you know, I mean, that's that's pizza.
That's pizza.
Yeah.
All right, let's talk movies, Rob.
You've seen you're on top of these.
You talked a little bit about
a big movie right now from a 24, um, Timothy Chalamet, uh, Marty Supreme.
So Oscar best picture potential nominee.
Okay.
nominee for sure.
Best actor for sure.
Uh, I guess Timothy Chalamet has been kind of, uh, kind of a kind of bragging a bunch on the way in his public appearances.
I didn't really notice this, but a couple of people tell me that they're kind of turned off by his Oscar campaign.
Oh, but
I think he's channeling the character in Marty.
who is this 1950s, uh, professional ping pong
player,
right?
And is a good at like trash talk to see, is it like playing ping pong?
And it, first of all, and this is a strange thing to say, the ping pong ping pong sequences are incredible.
Like there, you wouldn't think that because the only ping pong I think I've ever seen in a movie was in forest gump.
I don't think I've ever seen you didn't see balls of fury.
Oh, yeah.
That was pink.
I'll go back and see
that.
Um, but, but, you know, very fast moving and exciting.
And, and, um, I really am amazed how they did it.
It made it look real.
Um, was it CGI?
I think it was a mix.
I think it was a CGI, but they were, they like choreographed every shot, like almost like a dance.
So they knew I'm going to slam it.
I'm going to hit it.
You know, all this kind of thing.
Yeah.
But like lightning speed.
So it's really cool to watch.
But a lot of this movie is watching Marty, who is, like I said, kind of an arrogant loudmouth, you know, get into one jam after another, win a fortune, lose a fortune, be chased by gangsters, trying to, you know, and he's all, all this trying to get back to the championships.
Right.
And one of the, you know, I think Tony Chalamet is fantastic in it.
I think he's great.
He's not particularly likable, but that's, you're sort of on his side, even
though
he's a real punk,
you
know.
And there's just such great casting throughout the movie where it's like, like Kevin O'Leary, the bald guy from Shark Tank accident.
Yeah.
What is that?
I saw that.
Yeah.
He basically plays a rich jerk, which is what he is.
It's typecasting.
I can't stand that guy.
Exactly.
You can't stand him in the movie.
That's like really good casting.
Gwyneth Paltrow, who I don't think has been in a movie in quite a while.
She's just too busy.
selling
candles that
smell
like
your private
part.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a full time job right there.
But she, she's really good playing this, uh, movie star who is sort of like attracted to Marty, but doesn't really know why.
And there's just lots of little great supporting parts.
Like there's a scene involving this farmer who's this really big, scary guy.
And I was like, Oh, I don't know that is great.
And then.
I just read yesterday that was Penn Gillette from Penn and Teller.
Oh, yeah.
And you could not tell at all.
Really?
Yeah.
So it's really fun that way, the way there's all these people who you might know in roles you completely don't expect.
So I thought it was super fun.
The same director made Uncut Gems with
Adam
Sandler, which is extremely stressful movie.
Hard to watch.
This is also very stressful.
Okay.
So we forget for that.
It's, uh, it's a really fun ride.
Con.
Do you agree with that, uh, assessment?
Cause Conrad saw it was raving about it.
I loved it.
It was,
it was, it was great.
I loved the supporting cast just as much as Timothy Chalamet as well.
I agree.
Yeah.
Was he better in this Rob than he was in, uh, uh, the Dylan flick?
That's a good question.
Very different, very different.
Um,
Yeah, I don't I think he's probably better in this one.
Okay.
Yeah more to do or more dad.
That's yeah
That's what I was he's not just imitating.
He's he's creating this original like I said, you know, it's a hard job to play someone that Brash and unlikable, right?
You're still like oh, I want to see this guy
get what he wants.
Rob Thomas is my guest.
He's a Madison based film critic who joins us here quite often on nightlight to talk movies.
And it's always fun.
We're talking about movies right now.
You also saw Rob and I'm ashamed I have not seen this yet.
And I want to get this woman on the on the show desperately song sung blue.
Yes.
Fun movie or
heavy movie.
That's an
interesting question.
The first half of the movie.
Very fun.
The second half of the movie very dramatic and very sad because it's based on probably a lot of people know the true story of lightning and thunder who were this Neil Diamond cover band from Milwaukee in the 1990s and 2000s.
In fact, I read that their last show ever was here in Madison at a Madison Ballard game.
And that's crazy.
And it was kind of like after that that.
the guy he died from some kind of head trauma he didn't deal with or something, which is sort of played very differently in the movie.
But yeah, it's a really entertaining movie on kind of kind of a melodrama.
It remind me of a movie from like the 90s or 2000s in that way where it's very unabashedly emotional, lots of highs, lots of lows.
And I feel like it's kind of like the sleeper hit of kind of the holidays.
Potential.
Oscar nominee I think like I think at least Kate Hudson Yeah, that's really kind of a comeback performance and she's certainly the best thing in it.
Oh, that's great
I have to see the secret agent you talked about that last time you were on the show.
It's reviewing Outstanding I can't wait to see that playing in any theaters that you know of
I think it might be playing in That's gonna be one of those things where if it gets off it might get a best picture nomination And then if it does it'll start playing a little more wide movie from Brazil, but it's um
Yeah, an incredible movie, I think.
Okay.
When we come back, we'll have Rob just for a few more minutes, but I want to ask him, I want to ask you where you're at with Pluribus.
Okay.
And then I got to ask you about the plague, 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, and maybe we'll get into, we'll do some thumbnail reviews
of
Anaconda, which I did not get to see last weekend because after the football games were done, and I was watching one with my son, I missed it by like 20 minutes,
and I
really wanted to see Anaconda.
I wasn't expecting it to be good.
But I just thought it would be a fun movie to see with my son.
Rob Thomas is here.
We are coming right back.
It's Night Light with Peach Waba on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome back.
This is Pete Schwab in Nightlight.
I don't know what's going on with my mic here, Con.
Hey, folks, we are deep into act two here.
This is act three, I should say.
And Rob Thomas is here in the studio with us.
This has been a lot of fun.
We're talking about movies.
And we were just during the break talking about Terminator 2, double feature one and two for my money.
Whoa.
And it was free.
So even better.
My daughter had not seen either one of them, so we watched those, and I couldn't get enough of it.
Great films.
Oh, unbelievable.
And the first one is not as slick as the second one, but it's grittier, and I love the first term.
Yeah, I love that it's still kind of handmade, and
you can
definitely tell he's on a budget, and he's just pushing every dollar on that budget.
Crushed it.
And then Terminator 2.
I mean, that's, there are movies you remember seeing in the theater, and
I've
never seen that in Chicago in 1991, it just being...
you know, just a gog at how great it was.
That's a great word for it.
And the first hour in particular is just like when they break her out of the asylum.
Relentless.
This is so great.
Where are you at with Pluribus?
How far into that?
I know you hate it.
I do hate it.
I didn't want to and I didn't start out that way.
Yeah,
yeah.
I'm at episode nine, I think.
That's the last one.
Oh no, sorry, episode seven.
So
I
got two after this one.
And I still really like it.
I get, I get, especially the three or four, it was kind of like, okay, this episode has one idea.
You
know what I mean?
Like
it was a little like, okay, I get that.
But I love the filmmaking.
I love Rhea Seahorn.
I do want to see more characters or, you know, I think I said that last time, it's basically a show with two characters, like the Highbind and Carol.
And so, but the other guy, the guy who's sort of like the playboy,
And if you, uh, who, I love that guy.
Yeah.
I like him too, but he kind of fades out.
And then they focus on the guy in South America.
I, I didn't even like Rhea Seahorn and I like her.
I loved her in better call salt.
Absolutely.
And I liked her about two episodes in, but even in this show, like they would give you a nugget.
Like, whoa, you see her eyes go up at the end of the episode.
Like, what did she find?
And then the next week it's like, well, not really anything.
It's people, they're eating people, but it's something.
It's something, but they don't, there's nothing scary.
They don't go in.
I don't know why I hate that show.
It's just,
it's just disappointing.
Yeah, I'm interested to see how, how it ends for sure.
And I know a lot of people listening have finished this season and have their opinions about
it.
Listen, I'm in the minority and I know that and I accept that.
Um, the other show you're really high on is the diplomat.
We love the diplomat.
That's the one my wife
and I watch.
Tell people why they should watch the
diplomat.
It's so fun.
It's, it's sort of become like.
I would say like a very suspenseful West Wing.
And that's about, you know, Kerry Russell and, uh, what's his name?
Rufus Everett?
I think, no, Rufus Sewell play.
Oh, Rufus Sewell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's
great.
And she's the ambassador to England.
He, she,
he's your husband.
Yeah.
Right.
They're kind of a strange.
He's become vice president.
Oh.
So, and so there's a lot of things in, uh,
with Washington DC, where, speaking of West Wing, Alison Janney is the president and Bradley Whitford, Madison East High School graduate is her, his first man, first husband.
First husband?
That what we say?
I don't know.
First dude?
Yeah,
sure.
Really entertaining show, lots of twists and turns and great acting and every season ends on an incredible cliffhanger and this one was no exception.
So that's one I'm really high
on.
What do you think about Mickey Rourke?
Have you heard this?
He is starting to go fund me to pay $60,000 in back rent on his Spanish Villa rental home in LA.
I think
that's a worthy
cause.
I mean, what else were you going to spend their money on right now?
The sick child
or the bloated actor that, yeah.
Oh, that
makes me mad.
I know, but that's been Mickey Rourke's whole career.
And he's a good actor.
He's just a
wacko.
But he's been a wacko since diner.
Right.
So I mean, he's true to type.
Yeah.
So would you say the diplomat is your show that you could recommend the most right now?
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what about a movie?
Like we talked about Secret Asian, all the movies we've talked about here, if there's one, one movie people could see this weekend, what would you tell them?
I think
I'm going to say Songs on Blue, I think, because especially since we're in Wisconsin.
Yeah.
And it's one I'm kind of come around to rooting for just because it is small.
It's not Avatar.
Certainly.
It's not talk
about Avatar.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
But it's just like that's when I think the most that's when you see with your mom.
That's when you see
the
kids and everybody will have or really enjoy and be moved
by it.
We do have about a minute and a half left.
So we can dip our toe into the beautiful CGI.
Is it just me or was the second was the last battle the same exact thing.
The exact same thing.
It was.
honest to God, talk about mailing it in if that's what they did.
But like overall, did you like the film?
I had a good time.
I thought it was quite a step down from the first two, especially the second one, I think is fantastic.
But it didn't really show you that much that was new.
Right.
And maybe the standards are so high, but I felt like, oh, we're back to, you know, the same places.
I say the exact same battle, same people.
And so.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not as hungry for a fourth one now as it was maybe after the second
one.
Another three hours.
And like, can't you kill off one of the bad guys at the end of it?
Like, that guy is never going to die.
Right.
And it's like, I don't know.
I'm just not as enamored.
We just talked about Terminator 1, James Cameron at his best, in my opinion, or Titanic, if you want to call it that.
This just seemed like a little disingenuous almost.
It seemed like he kind of mailed
it.
I think you're right that he didn't want to close off any avenues.
And so they left a lot of people hanging.
Yeah, literally, you know, when I've been more impactful to have them actually like die.
But I did love the woman who's the new villain and the new one.
She was
no, she was good.
Yeah, that's true.
That's a great point.
Yeah.
Rob, thank you.
Enjoy Hamilton tomorrow night.
Thanks, Pete.
Uh, learn the songs, the raps before, you probably know the words by now, but, uh, this has been fun.
Thank you for coming.
It's great to see you in person.
It's always fun.
Yeah, you too, buddy.
That's Rob Thomas.
Check out his work at not that Rob Thomas sub-stack where he reviews movies and check out CityCast Madison, the CityCast Madison newsletter where he is the newsletter editor.
Great publication.
We are coming right back for some Bears Packers talk after the news.
It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
I don't remember Even please get me out I hope you don't
We are jamming through hour number three here.
Just a couple more segments to go here, folks, as we broadcast live from Madison tonight.
Conrad is holding down the Fort back in Green Bay.
And always fun to talk to Rob Thomas.
Conrad, did you enjoy that?
Yeah.
And like you said, you can go out and see Marty Supreme.
It's great.
I know.
It's on my list.
I might go see it tonight, or I'll see Song Song Blue.
But we'll figure that out.
See Marty Supreme.
You think so?
I think you're gonna enjoy it on blue though.
Yeah, I think
yeah, you know, you can see, you know songs on blue tomorrow
I Could see both of them tomorrow.
Yeah, you could
Maybe I roll into Green Bay a little early from Madison and see one of those fine films.
Well, we know you're not Gonna
say, you know, you're not gonna go in the hot tub or workout anymore because of the convention
No, I'm not because of the theater convention.
They'll be doing Shakespeare in the pool
Um, so folks, uh, our question of the night, we will get to your texts very shortly is, uh, what is your favorite soap opera or cheesy drama?
We'll play catch up on some of these texts, uh, a few of them from Conrad's family and Carla is back in the mix.
That's always fun to see.
But right now we are going to segue into another form of show business.
And that is the world of professional sports, more specifically the NFL and joining us now to talk bears packers.
is a Packer fan living in Chicago.
Can you imagine the horror, ladies and gentlemen?
He is a very funny, talented, talented stand-up comedian as well.
Mr. Jim McHugh joins us over the stream.
Hey again, buddy.
Pete, great to be with you, Conrad.
Great to be with you.
Thanks for hanging around in Madtown.
Hanging out in Madtown, are you?
Yeah, I do the show from here periodically.
Always fun to come down here to Civic Media headquarters, and we're right over State Street, Jim.
You probably worked funny business back in the day.
I have, many a time.
It's a great place.
Always love Madison.
Great crowds.
Just a lot of fun.
If you're not having fun in Madtown, you're not even trying.
Something's wrong, exactly.
Well, I love how you are representing tonight.
You've got the Packers pullover on.
You got a fire in the fireplace.
You look like you are ready for January football, my friend.
My question to you is, like, I think I shared this with you, Jim.
I lived in the city of Chicago just west of the Kennedy, moved up to a very small town that you did stand up in.
A few years ago, we got to hang out in Marinette.
Love it.
I live there now, but I was a bear fan in Packer Country.
You are a Packer fan in Bear Country.
When did you know you were a Packer fan?
Well, this started many, many years ago, so it goes back to my father.
I had two older brothers, still have two older brothers, and my dad became a Packer fan.
I don't know how it happened, but the long and short of it is
You know, we had four kids, you know, vacations were not easy, so you went to the closest place you could.
You went to Wisconsin, right?
Yeah.
Went
to Wisconsin, went to the Dells.
We ended up going up to Dork County, and my dad was a Packer fan, so we'd watch the Packers.
You know, I was kind of ambivalent.
You know, obviously the Bears were around, my brother were Bear fans, so anyway.
Yeah.
But as a young kid, you know, 10, 11 years old, we go to Dork County on the way back, we stop at Lambeau Field.
And it's, you know, it's training days.
It's, you know, it's practice.
And, you know, you got a chance to see, I got a chance to meet MacArthur Lane and John Brockington, you know, your
idols when
you're growing up.
So, you know, the one thing that's so unique about Green Bay is that the stadium and everything is in the middle of a town, you know, and,
you
know, I mean, it's just so cool to go in there and see, and they're very hands on.
as far as meeting the people.
So great time.
That's how I became a Packer fan.
And my dad no longer with us, but got a chance to get him to Lambo a number of times and saw a bunch of great games.
And it's not easy being a Packer fan in Chicago.
I'll tell you that.
My dad would walk around and walk the dog, and he'd have his big Packer jacking on.
And of course, on a Monday after the Packers won, he would walk around really proud with that.
Right.
And of course, on other days when the Packers weren't so good, he would walk around and walk fast.
Still sport the colors, but be a little more humble.
It's interesting you say that because another mutual friend of ours, Vince Moranto, told me 20 years ago about the Packer Hall of Fame.
And Vince is a huge Bears fan too.
He goes, I'm telling you, even as a Bear fan.
go to the Packer Hall of Fame.
It is something to see.
I brought my daughter there when she was seven.
We went to the train museum, which is another amazing place to go in Green Bay.
And then the Packer Hall of Fame, she loved it.
It's a seven-year-old girl.
It's just a neat place.
It really is.
Green Bay does the best of anybody with all their history and all the accolades that they've done.
And they just do a great job of presenting all their history and all the great players and everything that have
been on the Lambeau field it's just been it's a great if you haven't been up there you got to see it got to stop
well said I just want to
let you know this Pete yeah because it is you know bears packer big playoff weekend so what I'm doing right now off to my left and you can't see it I could show you if I turn my camera my computer around but just to get in the spirit of things for this weekend for this big game
on
Saturday I have the November ninth game
from 2014 on when the Bears were playing the Packers up in Lambo.
And it's such a great game because the Packers were winning 42 to nothing at half.
Oh, God, I remember.
That's Mark Tressman.
That's not even fair, Jim.
What a horrible
coach.
I don't care.
I'm getting ready for the game this
Saturday.
I got to build up.
I'm going to have the NSC championship game on after this.
Oh, man.
When
Randall Cobb went down the middle of the field.
All right, so how do you rectify living up in Marinette and being a bear fan?
It's in my blood.
The memories I have of watching Walter Payton
going to Mass on Sunday mornings, going to Dunkin Donuts after coming home and turning the Bears game on on the northwest side of Chicago, where I lived such great memories watching Walter Payton.
Remembering I wanted to be Walter Payton and finding out about two weeks later, I had no athletic ability whatsoever.
But that's beside the point.
But you know, just all that stuff, it's ingrained in you.
And when I lived, I didn't understand the rivalry until I moved in junior high to Marinette.
And people were like, like,
really passionate about this rivalry.
I knew it was a rivalry.
I had Packer fans in my extended family, but you kind of dig your heels in more when you feel people in your face.
Like when I lived in LA for years, I was kind of like, oh, it's the Packer.
Like I didn't have Packer fans all around me, even though there are some out there as well.
But when you're in the thick of it, and maybe you feel this too in Chicago, you really dig your heels in and you stick to your guns.
Yeah, you do.
You know, I mean,
The thing is, at least for the Packer fans, we've had the luxury of having a long time of great success over the years, ever since we got Brett Farve and everything else since then.
We had some rocky road before that.
But the Bears, they're having their renaissance right now.
They're trying to get, they're all excited down here.
They all think they're going to win on Saturday, which the way they've been playing, you can't ever discount them.
But I don't know if you heard this, breaking news.
Oh, I love it.
Micah Parsons is going to play on Saturday.
On crutches.
On crutches.
You're going to be out there on crutches.
Because, you know, even when Micah Parsons on crutches, even if he didn't move, you know that Caleb Williams is not going to go around anywhere near him.
He's got a walking boot and crutches, and he'll still get a half a sack somehow.
He will.
He will get a half a sack.
Conrad has already predicted he's predicting a Packer victory.
What do you think, Jim?
Are you with Conrad there?
I mean, the Bears have lost two in a row.
They haven't looked particularly good, even on offense.
The Packers have dropped four in a row for different reasons.
There are probably, I used to think the Bears had injuries this year.
The Packers are really injury riddled right now.
What's going to happen this weekend?
Well, here's what I think is going to be the biggest key of the game.
As you remember the last time the Packers and the Bears played, the Bears won.
And they won in a matter of
Crazy game.
Got him over time and then he.
So here's my point.
Romeo Dobbs is going to be out of his mind this Saturday because he wants to make up so badly for that.
Right.
Onside kick.
So he's going to have a big game now.
And if you didn't see the game the other day when it was the Bears in Detroit did you see that game.
I did.
Yeah, so if you're Matt LaFleur, I do my best Jaden Reed.
I'm a St.
Brown impression
and just run
the same exact patterns in the same exact place because he was wide open and the Bears defense can be scored upon.
So I think, you know, I think Jaden Reed is going to have a big game.
I think Romeo Dodd is going to have a big game.
And I think you're also going to see Josh Jacobs who's been held out.
He's
He's a guy who's a big game player, Josh Jacobs is.
So I think he's going
to have a big
game.
Jim McHugh is my guest.
He's a very funny Chicago-based stand-up comic and Packer fan.
We are talking Bears and Packers.
He and Conrad are both predicting a Packer victory.
Here's what's happening, Jim.
I have so much trauma and the Packers have ripped my heart out so much over the last 25 years.
I just, in that game, the last game the Bears came back in the last two minutes, that almost made up for a lot of it.
But there's been too much heartbreak.
I won't predict a game.
I will say the Bears can't stop the run, and they have no pass rush.
And I'm not convinced they can win a shootout.
They almost did with San Francisco.
They can put points in the board, but they haven't.
So I really have no idea what to expect.
I have to be honest.
And Jordan Love could come back and be rusty.
He could come back and have something to prove.
Who knows?
I don't know.
But who's the better quarterback right now, Jim?
Oh, it's short and love is definitely a better quarterback.
He's better season.
But, you know, Caleb Williams is on the come.
He's going to get better every year.
And Ben Johnson is kind of getting him a little bit out of some bad habits, which is good.
He still throws the ball.
He's not as accurate as he needs to be, but he's very elusive.
So I think that's going to be an interesting part of how the Packers contain him and don't let him get outside.
I think the Packers linebacking core
is very stout and he's not going to get very far between the linebackers, Kway Walker, and I'm just drawing a blank, but the other guy.
Gary.
Well, Rashawn Gary, you know, defensive linemen and Lucas Fanas, you know, they have to make an impact.
We'll see, you know, the one, here's what I think the key to the game is.
More than anything else, the one thing that the Bears have done better than any team this year has gotten takeaways.
So if the Packers can stay clean and don't turn the ball over, it's advantage Packers.
If the Bears get a couple, if they get a fumble or interception, obviously things turn and it's advantage Bears.
And it obviously depends on when they get those.
Those turnovers, as we found out last time, you know, the Packers have been coughing a ball up right by the goal line going in the score.
So they cannot, they cannot do that.
They have to get in the red zone and they have to score.
Two more questions for you, Jim.
Who's the better coach?
Who's the better coach?
Um, boy, I would say, well, Matt LaFleur, I mean, you know, you have to go with what, what he's got going, what he did because, you know, his record speaks for itself.
He's one of the, you know, best.
coaches that's ever been around for the time he's been.
He's only George Seyfried has a better record than Matt LaFleur.
Is that right?
No kidding.
Wow.
I feel like he's, I don't want to say unappreciated.
Con, what do you think?
I feel like LaFleur Packer fans seem very impatient with him, and I think he's a great coach for a young quarterback.
You know, I enjoy watching metal floor some of his play calls some of his play calls can be questionable like the screens and stuff But other than that, I think he's a good coach I think that the Packers fans just worried like right away instantly.
It's like they don't give
him a
chance
You're always looking over at your shoulder for the next coach.
I don't know what you're doing here with Matt LaFleur.
He's proven himself.
Obviously, it looks like Jeff Halfley is going to be out the door after this season.
Jim, thank you so much.
Before we let you go, we got about 30 seconds.
Favorite all-time packer.
Oh, wow.
Ray Nitschke.
Oh, wow.
Favorite all-time bear.
Dick Butkus.
But I knew you were going to say Butkus.
I had
a chance to do a show.
And it was a dais.
And right to my right, immediately to my right, is sitting as Dick Butkus.
I mean, literally within a foot for me.
I mean,
it was
the most scary show I've ever had in my life.
You're
the best.
Thank you, Jim.
And good luck this weekend.
Whatever happens, we're still friends.
Oh, you got
it.
Go, Pat.
Go, 31, 21.
Oh,
interesting.
Jim McEw, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, sir.
We are coming right back to finish up with all of your texts, folks.
This is Peach Wabbit and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome
back.
I would like to thank all of my fantastic guests tonight, Dr. Kristen Lyrely, Rob Thomas, Mike Gamal, and Jim McHugh.
And I'll thank you for all your texts and calls.
We got to play catch up here on a few texts.
You're Aunt Carla's back in action, Conrad.
Yeah.
So this is from Aunt Carla in the 608.
She says, hello, from Grandma Krieger.
She wanted to say her most and always daytime drama is Days of Our Lives, a faithful viewer for 40 years.
Hi, Conrad and Pete.
Happy New Year.
Love, Grandma Krieger.
Happy New Year.
Love, back at ya.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you, Grandma Krieger.
And Carla says, now she follows Days of Our Lives on Peacock, long gone on NBC.
Susan from McFarland in the 608, no name.
My classmate was very athletic.
He was an excellent swimmer.
He died in the local pool after an epileptic seizure.
He drowned.
Oh, that is horrifying.
And that was a text that we received when Mike Gamal was here talking about epilepsy and how Mike's theory was that epilepsy, people don't.
It doesn't get funded because people don't see the effects of it, unless someone is having a seizure.
So that was a very telling text as well.
Thank you, 608.
Bridget from the 818 says, I get into The Bachelor sometimes.
I think I will watch an episode or two and get hooked.
Yeah, that's pretty cheesy, Conn.
I think a lot of people... I don't know.
Reality shows count.
I think The Bachelor is one of the worst ones out there.
I agree.
And it is, I mean, it's not a soap opera.
Cheesy galore.
But it's definitely cheesy.
Thank you, Bridget.
Steven in the 262 says, wait a minute, Kevin Bacon did the worm movie and the bondsman.
It's not a high bar.
I said the followers was kind of low for Kevin Bacon beneath him.
And, you know, I don't think he's one of the best actors out there, but he's a solid actor.
What's the worm movie?
I thought the show was bad.
Tremors.
Really good thriller really cheesy speaking of cheese, but it was but it was fun and the dad from family times was in that too Tom from New Berlin says Pete been watching trailer park boys.
Does that count?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah funny.
I've only seen a few episodes, but I laughed Tom says grew up on days meaning days of our lives my pal Paul Gil Martin used to do a joke say when you talk about days of our lives You just say days when you say all my children
People just say all my kids, because people who watch soap operas don't have time.
To say all things is such a great
joke.
We are forgetting one of the actors in All My Children, too.
Drake or Maury?
No.
Bryce.
You know, Gunther.
Oh, he was Bryce from All My God.
That's one of the funniest lines ever on Friends, when Joey realizes that Gunther was a soap star, too.
And now he's working in the coffee.
That was brilliant.
Larry from the 608 says B5.
I don't know who they did cameo on all.
Yeah, who's that B5 B5.
No,
I was just the next text clears it up.
Oh Okay, did a cameo on all my children long after I was watching but their song Erica Cain captures how she messed up guys
and why those college guys found it therapeutic to boo her.
Oh, this is the Larry is the guy that watched it in his dorm room.
Gotcha.
Larry also says to continue B5 appeared in the April 25th, 2008 episode as activists rallying for Erica's release from prison.
During the appearance, the group performed Erica Cain.
They also taped a video for the song with Susan Lucci.
Rapper Lil Kim at times refers to herself as the black Erica Cain, rapper, speaker, knockers.
Uh, last release before dying in 2014 was titled, Erica Cain.
Look at this.
Larry even footnoted.
He's got, he's got, uh, that's impressive.
The homework that went into that text.
Uh, Larry is officially board certified as a director.
Well done sir.
Thank you Larry.
Uh, steady Eddie in the six oh eight says Pete.
Did you know the Brenda Lee holiday hit song rocking around the Christmas tree was originally titled getting busy around the Christmas tree.
He says that might be mistaken about that.
I kind of wish that was true.
No, I think that's real.
He continues saying, maybe you could sing a few bars, Pete.
Nope.
Never too early to put your listeners in a holiday mood.
Sing it like no one is listening, only 350 days until Christmas.
Brenda Lee was known as Little Miss Dynamite.
She was 4'9", but could rock out a tune like few others.
Steady Eddie, P.S., Downton Abbey, great soap opera.
Oh, that's interesting.
Steady Eddie also says, who killed JR?
I watched Dallas back in the day, pretty good.
You know, that was going to be my choice to Larry because, or Larry, Eddie, because as a kid, I was thinking of Larry Hagman.
I remember watching Dallas and just not really being too young to understand it, but it did seem cheesy to me, even as a kid.
That's a great choice.
On the stream, Dave says, our pal Dave says, days of our lives, okay.
And he says his wife likes general hospital.
I just never got into soap operas.
You know, I always felt like soap operas always involved, some type of hospital.
And I just like, didn't want to get into that.
Yeah, a lot of them do.
But I had a serious crush on Susan Lucci when I was a kid.
And I never, I don't know, just never got into it.
The soap opera.
But I would see her on the award shows.
And when she lost, I don't, you probably don't remember this con, but she lost like 18 years in a row.
Something like that.
She didn't get an Emmy.
And I'm like, this is just mean.
At some point, at some point, someone who's nominated 18 times or 15 times or whatever it was deserves an Emmy.
If she's in the conversation, give her the damn Emmy.
I wouldn't even show up anymore if I lost 18 times in a row.
Yeah, really.
At some point, she's kind of a glutton for punishment.
Why even go?
Larry from Deerfield says, AI.
And I thank you.
Well, that's our, you know, AI, he's still footnoted.
He took a shortcut with his pal ChatGbt.
Yeah, exactly.
I
love it, you know, I love ChatGbt.
I got nothing against it.
Actually, I hate it.
I love it.
It's a really fast about face.
It can make, it can make quizzes for me.
So I like it.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
And Larry sent a link that we'll have to play off the air because I don't know if it's clean or not.
But thank you everybody for your text and calls you always make whenever we do the show from Madison.
It's just more fun when you guys participate as it is every night.
So we will be back again tomorrow night to do this all over again back on the home court in Green Bay.
On behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night Wisconsin.