Weather and Holiday Stress(Hour 1)

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Weather and Holiday Stress(Hour 1)

Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Wed Dec 17, 2025

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Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.

This is Night Light with Peach Waba.

Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.

And now a guy who loves to watch true crime, but only if it's shoplifting, Peach Waba.

Peach Waba

Welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm sitting here awash in papers.

How's everybody doing?

I hope you guys are doing well.

Wherever you're joining us from in this day tonight, it's so great to have you.

Christmas is approaching.

We've got some Christmas talk tonight.

We got great guests.

A fun question.

It's gonna be a really, it's gonna be an extravagant night here tonight at Nightlight with Peach Waba.

Conrad Krieger is on the other side of the glass working the board tonight.

And how's it going?

Conrad Krieger

I mean, it's going well.

Yeah, it was nice and nice and warm today.

Wasn't it?

Peach Waba

All right.

I didn't go out Not really an outside guy.

Conrad Krieger

Well, you know, I worked up a sweat in the gym and then after I got out I was like, well, actually it's Pretty nice and I was wearing all you know, my winter get up

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And I had

Conrad Krieger

the window rolled down for a little bit just because I was so hot from the gym And it was like 40 Yeah, that's insanity.

It felt it felt nice, you know.

Peach Waba

Yeah, no, I'm with you.

I think

I'm excited.

It looks like it's going to be a white Christmas.

I don't think it's going to be that cold out.

At least, I mean, that could change tomorrow.

Conrad Krieger

Yes

Peach Waba

it could.

And it's interesting because we will talk to our first guest tonight.

I'm really excited to have my first guest of the night tonight.

in the form of one Mace Michaels.

He is our Civic Media Weatherman and does such a great job.

You hear him probably at the top and the bottom of the hour keeping you informed on weather and we'll talk to Mace about what kind of winter we can have or we're going to have this year.

I keep hearing cold and snowy but I'm excited to hear from the expert.

So Mace will be here at 535.

We'll ask him if it will be a white Christmas, maybe seek some confirmation.

And then we've got Rob Thomas here in hour number two to talk movies.

I saw a great movie last night, and I'm so excited to talk about it.

I don't know if Rob has seen it, but I'll tell you guys about it in just a few minutes.

It's an outstanding film.

Probably will be an Oscar contention.

At least that's what I read.

And after seeing it, I can pretty much verify that it was absolutely...

A great watch.

And then we're going to talk some Christmas in Hayward in hour number three with James Nets.

Am I saying his last name right?

Yeah.

Looks like one of those names where it's kind of a no-brainer, but it could be different.

Just like the basketball team.

The Nets.

Conrad Krieger

The Nets.

Peach Waba

But his is with a Z. So it's not like Nets.

It's Netsz.

Netsz.

Just to be, you know, completely...

just to cover all the bases.

So great guests and lots to talk about as Christmas is fast approaching, ladies and gentlemen.

I hope you're getting your shopping done and getting everything.

We have an interesting question tonight too that we're going to put out to you guys because Christmas as great as it is and the holidays in general, whether it's Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year's, whatever, you know, they can be pretty stressful.

So we'll talk a little bit about that and

All kinds of stuff.

We got Bears Packers again this weekend.

I have to say, this is so, this is so Schwabba.

Okay, so we had an outstanding Thanksgiving.

Like the kids come home, they both have great news.

They're both doing well.

We had, I don't even remember what happened.

I think the whole family got together.

Everybody had a blast.

And now Christmas is right around the corner.

I think I told you earlier in the week, we're gonna go see Frank's Christmas show.

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Love the Myers Theater.

Peach Waba

Also Frank and his whole troupe do an amazing job.

And my daughter calls today, she's got the flu.

So I'm like, well, do I go get her tonight?

Cause I felt bad.

You know, you want your child to be at school and sick.

That's terrible.

But she's not a freshman.

It's like her third year.

And for selfish reasons, I'm going, well, do I really want the flu?

There's there's worse places you could be than a dorm room.

Come on kiddo

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, no,

Peach Waba

but she she more or less offered and by Saturday she should be out of the woods in terms of being contagious because I'm like You know, I can't miss war.

I don't like to if I couldn't do this show I Think I missed two shows last year because I was sick.

I did not get the flu shot Well, I learned my lesson this year.

I got the flu shot.

Do you get the flu shot?

No,

Conrad Krieger

I haven't I haven't in over 10 years.

Peach Waba

See, you're young.

And I never there were years that I didn't get it either.

But it's so I have never had a reaction to it.

It's like, I'm just going to get it because last year it was the one year I didn't get it and I got the damn flu.

And it was horrible.

So I think I missed two shows.

I think we put a rerun on.

I'm just trying to avoid that.

So yeah,

Conrad Krieger

we don't want

Peach Waba

the flu going around the house.

Conrad Krieger

I don't do it because I

Every time I get it I get sick instantly.

Peach Waba

I think that's a myth.

Conrad Krieger

No, I actually it happens.

Peach Waba

You know what vaccine gives you horrible symptoms is shingles and I don't think you'll have to get that for a while.

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, I think I got one when I was a baby or something.

The

Peach Waba

shingles shot?

Conrad Krieger

Maybe that's not one of them.

Peach Waba

Wow.

I had one like when I was 40 and I thought I was going to die.

And I'm like, if actual shingles is worse than this, and supposedly it is, because they last like 12 hours, it's brutal.

But apparently you do not want shingles.

It's even worse.

So I will get, I will get that again.

But I had a flu shot with that.

And I thought that was the flu vaccine that was making me, that was giving me the flu because the symptoms are similar.

But it was shingles because everybody that gets the shingles shot is like, yeah, it's pretty bad.

But

Or at least those that react to it some

Conrad Krieger

day,

Peach Waba

but

Conrad Krieger

they say

Peach Waba

you don't want shame.

It's not as bad as

Conrad Krieger

shingles.

I just have to get over to my fear of needles and then maybe I'll do it again.

Oh,

Peach Waba

is that

Conrad Krieger

the reason?

It's that and I feel like I get sick every time I take it.

So

Peach Waba

I don't

Conrad Krieger

I used to like have

Peach Waba

this attitude where like I'm gonna I'm not scared of needles I'm gonna watch the needle go into my arm and I could it was no big deal and now as I get older I'm the biggest wuss.

Conrad Krieger

I don't want to see that

Every time I've had to do something with the shots or getting my blood drawn, I look the furthest away I can.

There's no way I'm looking at someone putting something in my vein right now.

It's different though.

When

Peach Waba

you get a shot, when they draw blood from right here, that's

Conrad Krieger

a

Peach Waba

more sensitive area.

Conrad Krieger

I can't

Peach Waba

watch

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that.

Peach Waba

But they're going to jab at it.

I'm a mountain of muscle, dude.

If they put a needle in my shoulder, I barely feel it.

Conrad Krieger

So I'll tell you this right now.

Yeah, I You know since I moved to Green Bay, I got I had to go to get a new Doctor, you know,

Peach Waba

yeah,

Conrad Krieger

and I've been putting off getting my blood drawn for almost almost a year and a half now

Peach Waba

Blood for what?

Oh just to get a basic blood test.

Yeah

Conrad Krieger

blood test and I every time it gets close.

I'm like, oh No, I can't do it

Peach Waba

Wow

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, this time it was I actually had to come into the studio.

So I was like, well, I can't come in today

Smiling about it,

Peach Waba

but just don't look it still feels weird because they're in such a weird place

Conrad Krieger

and sometimes I

Peach Waba

can't find the vein And

Conrad Krieger

you

Peach Waba

feel like a you know a taboo doll or whatever one of the voodoo doll, you know

Conrad Krieger

Well last time I did get my blood drawn.

I didn't have any sugar or anything after it and I tried going upstairs And I almost had it I was fainted on those stairs

Oh wow, that's terrible.

Peach Waba

That's another reason I don't do it.

Just get it done, dude.

All right, we've got this.

And then I'll tell you another thing I'm not gonna do.

This scares me more than getting my blood taken was a friend of mine on the way down today.

We were talking about a newscaster who he's friends with who I remember.

And she is like one of these type A, live life to the fullest extreme.

She has jumped out of an airplane 2,000.

times no thanks it's like you're trying to have an accident like you do it once because I we may have talked about this before when I was like 21 that's kind of macho and I thought oh I have to jump I have to do a skydive once that lasted for about three weeks and I'm like I'm never I don't know I don't know if there was like an accident the news or something or the shoot didn't open but I know I would get the guy who

is distracted and going through a divorce or something or his wife's cheating on him and he forgets to pull a latch or pack the shoot or something.

I know that would be me.

I am not doing that.

And all these people say, uh, YOLO.

Of course I like skydiving.

YOLO baby.

And it's like, you know, that means you only live once.

But all the more reason not to skydive.

If I, if I know I'm going to be reincarnated, sure, let's go do it.

But one life.

No,

Conrad Krieger

why

Peach Waba

would I but two thousand dude, that's like You're trying to die.

I Get that there's a rush.

Yeah get that it probably feels great, but no way

Conrad Krieger

That's I mean I like riding roller coasters because of the thrill that I get.

Yeah, that's

Peach Waba

a better alternative

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, I mean it's still dangerous.

Is it?

Yeah, well, you know derail

Peach Waba

Just to like to scream an eagle at Great America or at Six Flags.

That's like a wooden one

Conrad Krieger

That is the I've been I've done that ride so many times and every time I feel like my back hurts after my back is just Oh, it's in pain, but I'm like it was worth it.

Peach Waba

Yeah, you're lucky if you get out of there with a Hey, let's get to our night like question of the night

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Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Pregunta.

Conrad Krieger

Question.

Peach Waba

Question.

Conrad Krieger

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Peach Waba

Question.

Conrad Krieger

Question.

Questions.

Peach Waba

What is the most stressful thing about the holidays?

So I found this thing.

It's all about stress and what people stress out the most over, but the holidays as fun as they are can be very stressful.

So that's our question tonight, folks.

Unload.

Get this off your chest.

What is your, what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

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And if you're there, give us a like or a follow if you're so inclined, but let us know what stresses you out the most around the holidays.

Kind of got an answer?

Shipping and handling.

Explain that.

Conrad Krieger

Well, you know, it's that time of year where you're coming around late gift shopping a little bit, kind of.

Peach Waba

Leaving it to the last minute.

Conrad Krieger

I believe today's the last day that it's like you could get your gift before Christmas.

Peach Waba

Oh, really?

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, I believe it's today, but if you're like me, you left one gift to the last moment and you remembered it today.

Just one.

And then you look on the website that you got a link for and it says, all right, it's $40 for this.

But the shipping is international.

So I guess how much that was 40 bucks

Peach Waba

And it's not even gonna get there like there's

Conrad Krieger

no

Peach Waba

guarantee Exactly paying as much as the actual cost of the item that is nuts.

Conrad Krieger

So I'm like, what's So, you know, I had to go to the Amazon and fire away on there and hopefully get it before Christmas

Peach Waba

That is brutal.

Conrad Krieger

I was hoping I mean it is my fault still but it's still what it costed

No matter what time I looked at it, $38 for shipping.

Peach Waba

That's so weird because, and that's your brother's father-in-law.

That's a lot of coin to drop on a distant relative.

Like maybe I do that if it's my actual father-in-law.

I'm not trying to.

No, he's a great

Conrad Krieger

guy.

I'm sure he's

Peach Waba

a great guy.

That doesn't mean you're going to empty your pockets.

I'm just kidding.

Conrad Krieger

Yeah, that's a lot.

Yeah, so I mean it.

I mean, the other gifts that I got before, like it's like, oh, you have to reach this amount of money to get free shipping.

You know, like some of those websites.

Oh,

Peach Waba

like, well, if you have Prime.

Conrad Krieger

Well, no, no, it was, I didn't buy any gifts besides that one on Amazon this year.

So I went to this one website and it was like, yeah, all right, so if you do $60, you

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get free

Conrad Krieger

shipping.

But the item I bought was $50.

So, well.

Either I get another item worse than the shipping cost right there.

Peach Waba

I think you know what's gonna cheer you up when we come back after the break and You're gonna hear a story.

I'm gonna tell you about a guy who tried to escape in a cop car But he was nude that's coming up next folks.

We'll read some of your text It's peach wabba and nightlight on the civic media radio network

Pete Schwab

Welcome back.

I'm Pete Schwab, and this is Night Light.

Great to have you here, folks.

Mace Michaels is coming up after news, weather, and sports at the bottom of the hour.

Mace will be here at 5.35.

Very excited to talk to him.

This will be his first time on the show.

Rob Thomas coming up on hour two to talk movies.

And James Nets will be here.

Photographer James Nets talking about Hayward.

What's the event called?

Hayward Christmas?

Con (co-host)

It's just Christmas and Hayward.

They

Pete Schwab

have so many different events just in Hayward.

And it's so picturesque.

It's so beautiful there.

So we'll talk about that with James and hour number three.

I saw this movie has been mentioned a lot as an Oscar contender.

It's called Train Dreams.

I hate that it's on Netflix because I do feel like Netflix does not want people to go to theaters based on what I've read.

And they put a movie in a theater for about a week and then they put it.

You know, on Netflix, so you can watch it in your living room.

Which is how I watch this.

Very good movie.

Train Dreams, Joel Edgerton, Felicity Jones.

I don't even want to say too much, because I don't want to get... You just should watch it.

It's just a nice movie.

It's a drama.

There's not any heavy action or anything like that.

And...

We'll talk I don't know that Rob Thomas who will be here in our number two has seen it yet, but I am gonna ask him about it I really really like the story.

It's just about a guy who built the railroads and he was an orphan and It's about his life and the people he meets building railroads some of the tragedies he sees he marries a wife and they have a daughter and

That's all I want to say.

It's just great.

I cannot recommend this movie enough though It's just a straight through drama and it's only an hour and 45 minutes long which It's not a short movie, but it's not some of these epic movies or where they tell the story of a person's entire life can be three hours and you don't need that this film does like all the important parts and talks about his friendships and he experiences tragedy and all that kind of stuff and Then I just love the way it ended to it was so good and just a great drama.

So I highly recommend

train dreams on Netflix.

Very solid film.

If you're looking for something to watch in your living room.

So yeah, I saw this con.

This was in Denver.

The police in Commerce City had an eventful weekend like usual, but this time there was one arrest that stood out from the others.

The Commerce City Police Department shared some of the most significant incidents that happened over the weekend, and they posted this on YouTube.

There were 300 calls for like drunken...

driving and that kind of stuff.

But there was one guy who tried to sneak into the grounds of the police station and he was trying to steal a patrol car.

He took a police car, he got it, took it out, they had a very short chase, they pulled him over and discovered he had no clothes on.

What?

There's a lot that's wrong with this story.

Like stealing, first of all, stealing a car, wrong.

Stealing a cop car.

Stupid moron with no clothes on even dumber Like You know and then he's covering himself like they pulled him over and he covers up it's like I Just thought he wanted to be naked like all of a sudden you get shy you just stole a police car in the nude I Love that phrase in the nude there was a comic you should do a joke every and every phrase with in the nude I was taking the garbage all this night

in the nude.

But I just thought this was so crazy.

And they booked him with for third degree motor theft, motor vehicle theft, second degree criminal trespass and driving without a license.

There's nothing, there's no mention here of indecent exposure, him not wearing any clothes.

I

Con (co-host)

think they were like, all right, this was enough.

I think.

Well,

Pete Schwab

yeah, I mean, being naked is it's inappropriate, I suppose, but it's not like you're hurting anybody, maybe hurting our eyes.

That's

Con (co-host)

just sounds like the

He wasn't no mentions of like he was drunk or anything

Pete Schwab

Not that I see her and you know what strange like I expect this kind of behavior in Wisconsin.

We like to drink

Con (co-host)

Well, I mean, so you said it was in Denver, right?

Pete Schwab

It was outside of Denver Commerce City.

Oh, okay.

Well, you know our city police department could have been a

Con (co-host)

packer could have been a packers fan

Pete Schwab

Just left over you know ticked off.

He did it for Micah

to try to rob a Colorado cop car.

I don't know.

I love stories like that though.

Mike Siegel who's been on this show several times always says there's nothing funnier than a naked guy.

Cause something went wrong.

Like there are perverts and that's not cool.

But like, typically I saw this real the other night on Instagram and this soccer player hit this crazy goal and he ran up and he jumped on the fence and his teammates run over and they're like, you know,

grab an atom and they pull his shorts down.

So he's like on a fence with everybody staring right at him and his shorts go down like.

Oh no.

It's always something that goes horribly wrong.

So there you go.

Our question of the night folks is what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

And I'm going to steal an answer.

I've never, I don't think I've ever done this willingly a nightlight before, but Jenny Brand, our colleague here at Civic Media, who does a great job.

I was thinking this over and I read her response and I was like, yes, that's it.

And she said the unnecessary expectations we put on ourselves and the occasion.

And that's a great answer because, you know, you want the holidays to be great.

We look forward to it.

It's like, oh my God, it's going to be great.

So-and-so is coming to town.

We're going to do this.

And something always goes wrong.

It never seems to go as planned.

And I think a big part of trying to get through the holidays is accept that and just go, ah, whatever.

The bar is low.

Let's just have fun.

And we used to, when we traveled a lot, it was like when we were coming back to Wisconsin, it was like, oh, it's going to be snowy and beautiful and the grandparents and the cousins.

And then while it doesn't snow, it rains and then the cousins can't come because they got sick and then whatever.

So I thought that was a great answer from our colleague, Jenny Brandt, and I'm going to steal that.

And Daniel Wheeler also said, agree, you can't manage others, but you can manage your own expectations.

Very well said.

What about you, Conn?

Oh, you already said the shipping and handling.

Is it more the shipping or the handling?

Con (co-host)

Both.

The handling, too.

Like, you know, you want to make sure that present gets to your house intact.

Pete Schwab

Yeah.

No, that's one I would not have thought about either.

Well done.

All right.

So let us know what your most stressful time of the holidays is or what stresses you out the most.

And I've also got top 10 life decisions here.

People stress over the most.

We can get into that a little later too.

But hey, we are talking weather with our guy, Mace Michaels, that is coming up right after news, weather and sports right here on Civic Media.

I'm Pete Schwabba.

This is

Nightlight.

Rob Thomas will be here in hour number two.

We're going to talk movies.

A very big movie opens this week in Avatar Fire and Ash.

The third installment in that series from James Cameron.

And

Producer Conrad

the reviews are

Pete Schwab

decent, but it's supposed to be, and no surprise, an absolute visual spectacle.

So we'll talk to Rob about that.

I doubt he's seen it yet, but you never know.

and talking Christmas and Hayward in hour number three with photographer James Nets.

But right now, I'm very excited to welcome our first guest of the night.

I've been listening to this guy's voice for the last two years and he does such a great job reporting on weather here at Civic Media.

And I finally have him on the show, very excited to welcome our pal and outstanding weatherman, Mace Michaels.

Hey, buddy, how are you?

Mace Michaels

Hey there.

Thanks.

I appreciate the kind words.

Pete Schwab

Well, you know, it's the least I got to butter you up, Mace, right?

Because I'm going to bombard you with questions about winter.

I will try to answer them the best of my ability.

No, it's great to have you here.

And how did you get such a cool name?

Like, did you say I've got to be a weatherman with a name like this?

Or did you change it for the weather?

It's a great name.

Mace Michaels

Oh, I was five years old when I got into weather and broadcasting.

I mean, they were, I know it's sad.

I'm like, I love weather.

I'm from Minnesota, central Minnesota, up in the Brainerd Lakes area, west of Duluth and north of Minneapolis.

Producer Conrad

Sure.

Mace Michaels

And just

intrigued by why the weather made changes, you know, why why did we see such crazy seasons and you'd go from thunderstorms to, you know, snow sometimes in a month or two.

So that's what really got me into it.

But I was always was bitten by the radio bug too.

And then of course, with meteorology, that led me into TV.

Wow,

Producer Conrad

my

Mace Michaels

name, though, I didn't

Producer Conrad

even

Mace Michaels

answer that question.

That's you'll you'll love this GM in Wausau.

That was my first TV job.

Mace is my middle name.

Roger's my first name.

I've always gone by Mace.

Roger, dad's name, grandfather's name, but I've always been called Mace.

OK.

They didn't know what to use for my last name.

They wanted to change it.

So about a half hour before my first TV weathercast, they're like, well, you're going to be Michaels.

Are you serious?

Do you know how the broadcast world works?

Pete Schwab

Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

So that's not your real last name.

Mace Michaels

No, no twig is my real last name which you can you know easily anybody can find that but I've been I've used mace Michaels all the way through most of my broadcast career Most stations on the TV side really liked it So that's just what I've kept using and you know now it's back as I come back around the radio from which I did in You know high school and college here.

I am using mace Michaels continuing on.

Oh, I love that

Pete Schwab

That's gross because that's why I asked you I thought that's way too cool of a name

Like I probably should have changed my name.

I had a couple monikers, like when I was doing radio in college, like, you know, Tim Dawson or something like, but Pete Schwab was like, it's kind of a mouthful to say.

One of our listeners says you have to wet your lips to say the last name properly.

So it's not an ideal name for broadcasting, but Mace Michaels, man, you are, that's a name you can set your watch by.

I love it.

Mace Michaels

Well, I had achieved meteorologists that didn't like it.

So they made me use Mace Rogers.

That was in Michigan.

But he thought I was like,

trying to be this big persona.

And I'm like, no, if you knew me, dude, I am not a persona.

That is not me.

Pete Schwab

We have that in common, Mace, because I'm a junior.

and it's Thomas Peter and they call me Pete and it is I don't know if this has been an issue for you but you know I used to be a stand-up comic I would get paid as Pete Schwabba or I'd forget and pay my taxes as Pete Schwabba and like well wait a minute it's Thomas then I'd have to get a waiver and I'd have to talk to an attorney and get it was it's created a lot of problems that you

Wouldn't think would be an issue, but I probably should have just done what I'm guessing you do and kept the same name and told people to write the checkup to Thomas Peter.

I don't

Mace Michaels

know.

Other than the doctor's office and you know when you're paying taxes

I'm using Mace Michaels, because that's what everybody, you know, when you're out and seeing somebody or everybody knows me as Mace anyway.

So the Michael Scott part just comes along with

Pete Schwab

it.

I love it.

Are you, how do you do around the holidays, Mace?

Are you, is there anything you're stressing about?

We do a question here every night and tonight's is what is the most stressful part about the holidays?

Are you pretty chill?

You seem pretty chill when you're giving your weather forecasts anyway, but are you, is there anything that stresses you out about the holidays?

Mace Michaels

I'm overall a pretty chill guy, but it not really stresses me out, but I am not a materialistic guy.

So finding presence for people is really tough for me.

So if there's something that stress or annoys me is that because I just don't know what to get anybody.

And I don't know what I want myself.

So it just doesn't go hand in hand.

Pete Schwab

Boy, that's a great answer.

I'm a terrible gift getter too.

But I'm in awe when I like my brothers does great with gifts.

My sister, like they get these gifts.

I'm like,

Oh, yeah.

It seems so simple.

Why didn't I think of that?

But I'm apparently incapable.

So I'm kind of right there with you.

That's

Mace Michaels

my mom.

She can figure out a gift to get for everybody.

And she's the one in the room who loves to talk to everybody.

And I'm just usually the guy who, I don't know what to get you.

And I'm going to go sneak off in the corner somewhere.

Pete Schwab

Here's a gift card.

Yes.

So let's talk a little bit about, if you don't mind, Mace, the weather over the next week and to get us through the holidays.

It was a little bit of a warmer day today, but are you enjoying this weather or does this seem like an Indian summer after last weekend?

Mace Michaels

You know, when I stepped out yesterday, I'm in Minneapolis, so I'm not far from you.

Just a little ways up the road.

Yeah.

It was weird for me to think.

I'm like, oh, it feels so much warmer.

And then I'm like, it's, you know, barely 30 degrees.

So, you know, that 30 degrees turnaround feels like a huge warm-up after we were, you know, having a tough time getting above zero like you guys this past weekend.

So, yeah, I like the little bit of a warm-up.

I don't need the winter blast so early.

Okay,

Pete Schwab

same here because I feel like a lot of weather people seem like like you talked about when you were five years old weather fascinated you.

It fascinates me too, but I've never felt the need to like chase it or like I'm perfectly happy watching a thunderstorm from the comfort of my own home or my porch.

But do you like winter?

Are you a winter

Mace Michaels

guy?

No, I'm more of a summer guy.

I mean, I don't

Dislike winter, as I get older, it gets harder to deal with.

But yeah, no, I'm more of a summer guy, but I don't, you know, completely like, oh my God, winter, what am I going to do the next four months?

Nah, I'm in weather.

I can't complain about it.

It's there.

It's part of the deal.

Pete Schwab

Very good.

Mace Michaels is my guest.

He does weather for civic media here.

It does a great job.

Mace Michaels

You

Pete Schwab

hear him at the

Mace Michaels

top and bottom of the hour.

You're one of these professional guys turning it all back around and doing the recap thing.

Wow.

I've been trained

Pete Schwab

well.

I'm still finding my way, Mace.

It was either this meteorology school or do nails, and I picked radio, so I'm doing the best I can here.

Mace Michaels

I love it.

No, no, no.

You got a great show.

I enjoy it.

Pete Schwab

Oh, thank you, sir.

I appreciate that.

Are you a... I saw this recently.

I think it was on Ranker, maybe, or something, but it said, the chances of a white Christmas have dramatically changed.

Have you found that?

I feel like...

You know, I could always count on a white Christmas when I went to Marinette, Wisconsin or in Northeast Wisconsin, but it does seem like we just don't get as much snow.

Is that kind of consistent with what your research shows?

Mace Michaels

You know, I'm not sure if it matches up for as much snow.

I mean, the last few years obviously have been less.

The thing that's kind of stuck out to me, and I'm far from a bigger climatological type guy.

I'm a day-to-day type forecaster.

Producer Conrad

That's what I've

Mace Michaels

been doing forever in my broadcast career.

That's what I'm best at.

Just thinking back to when I was younger now, here's the young guy, but when I'm older now, that's when I was like when I was a kid.

But it seems like the beginning of the winter and falls are much milder.

And then the late winter, early spring has at least here in Minnesota, trended much, much colder.

And I don't know if that's affecting Christmas, like you say, Christmas at snow.

But it just seems like we've been, I didn't think of a couple of Christmas ago, we had rain

Producer Conrad

on Christmas

Mace Michaels

in the 40s.

So I don't know if that's a global warming thing, that it's taking the poles longer to freeze, that Siberian cold air to really kick up.

And then once it's here, it stays a little longer than it normally would.

That's kind of the hypothesis I put together in my

Producer Conrad

head.

Mace Michaels

I don't know if there's any bearing behind it.

I'd have to do more research and read on it.

But it just kind of seems like that's been the trend of the last two, three decades almost.

Pete Schwab

That's interesting.

And that's the time I'm ready.

Like you feel like you kind of almost escaped winter.

Like, oh, it's been pretty warm.

Then all of a sudden now there's two really cold weeks in March and you're just ready to like drive off a bridge or something.

Mace Michaels

Those a few years ago, February was our coldest month of the winter.

And you're like, why is February the cold one?

It should be, you know, mid January, late December, but not the case the last couple of years.

It seems to trend colder later.

Pete Schwab

So overall mace like this winter.

Um, I can't tell, like I read this thing about fewer white Christmases and a warming trend.

But do you think this winter will be, and I'm doing this purely for selfish reasons, because if it's really cold, I want to brace myself.

Or if you're going to tell me, well, it should be a little warmer, not much snow.

I want to feel good about it.

So do you have overall thoughts, whether it's from Minneapolis across Wisconsin to what this winter will be like?

Kind of just a thumbnail sketch, if you would.

Mace Michaels

I you know looking at and again that is not my area expertise but just kind of following what the models have shown and how our pattern has shifted over the last few months.

Of course the national weather service they do a fantastic job the climate prediction center of long range forecast but looking at least through the rest of this month.

And there's a model that, you know, it doesn't nail down the day-to-day stuff, but it really gives you the trends of how things look over the next month.

We definitely are trending on a very active pattern, so maybe better chances for snow, but it also, it's not trending to as many warm days like these.

We're near normal or colder than normal as I even plunge into, I'm looking at the model right now in the mid to mid January.

It's got some real shots of Arctic air.

So if that trend continues, you know, and with the La Nina, the colder waters in the Pacific Ocean, that tends to favor us to be having a colder and snowier winter.

Well, it's starting off that way, and that may just continue.

The Climate Prediction Center doesn't expect that to slow down until sometime into the spring months.

Pete Schwab

That's got to get you excited, Conrad.

Yeah.

Mace Michaels

Sorry.

Pete Schwab

Thanks

Mace Michaels

a

Pete Schwab

lot.

Thanks a lot, Mace.

Mace Michaels

I was wondering if he was there.

You know, I see him here in the chat, but he didn't say anything, you know?

Pete Schwab

Yeah, he's kind of like during the interviews.

Mace Michaels

He chimes in once in a while,

Pete Schwab

but

Mace Michaels

usually

Pete Schwab

I have to call

Mace Michaels

on him.

Pete Schwab

He raises his hand like he's in school.

Producer Conrad

I take the

Pete Schwab

powders.

Producer Conrad

He takes the powder.

Pete Schwab

So, Mace, what like?

What is something like obviously tornadoes and hurricanes are very dangerous?

Is there a type of weather that kind of freaks you out a little bit as a meteorologist, like a really bad thunderstorm or something?

Like what kind of gets you excited?

Mace Michaels

Excited wise.

I mean, I enjoy thunderstorms.

I mean, it's just meteorology thing.

But if there's a type of weather that, you know, I wouldn't say scares me, but if it was headed to my house,

You know, I'd be, we had a thread of some very large hail here and thankfully it diminished a couple of years ago.

I knew, you know, they were, it was putting out softballs and baseballs about 10 miles north of me and the vector of it was coming this way.

And thankfully it was much smaller and really the storm dissipated.

It was, you know, one in the morning too.

So it was even, you know, a little scarier from that aspect.

Producer Conrad

And

Mace Michaels

then I lived in Florida for 10 years.

My wife and I and, you know, hurricane season, I don't miss it.

I don't want to deal with it.

The tropics, I understand it, respect it.

It was fun to forecast it, but I don't want to live in it again because you just have to worry about your house and home and your family and your friends all the time when the storm's headed your way.

So I don't miss that at all.

Pete Schwab

Wow.

Mace Michaels is here, folks.

We're gonna do a very short break and then we'll have Mace for a few more minutes and then we'll let him get on with his evening.

We're gonna talk to Mace a little bit more about weather and maybe I'll ask him if he's a Vikings fan or what he's binge watching.

We'll have some, we'll let you off the hook, Mace, a little bit, not just keep this weather related.

We'll try to give you some fun too and not talk

Producer Conrad

so

Pete Schwab

much shop with you.

But it's great to have you here.

Our question of the night, folks, is what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

Let us know.

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Producer Conrad

Network.

Pete Schwab (host)

Welcome back.

This is Night Light with Pete Schwab.

Great to have you with me wherever you're joining us from around the state or maybe in Minnesota like our current guest, Mace Michaels is.

News, sports and weather is just around the corner folks coming up at the top of the hour.

We've got a few more minutes with our new pal, Mace Michaels here.

He does a great job here at Civic Media covering weather.

Mace, what, have you ever chased

Mace Michaels (guest)

a storm?

I have with that crazy guy Corey Hartman if you're familiar with him.

I was just gonna

Pete Schwab (host)

give him a shout out because I saw you had severe studios on your LinkedIn maybe or something and I got addicted to the videos and it's Corey's voice chasing these storms and I was wondering if you ever had done that with him or Jordan Hall who we've had on the show.

Mace Michaels (guest)

I have, you know, we never really ended up, you know, I'm usually in a studio somewhere when most of the weather is going on.

But when it happens, yeah, I've been lucky enough to go out a few times.

Never seen a tornado, but plenty of wall clouds and

shelf clouds and fun things like that.

That intrigues me.

And, you know, I know where I'm safe and I'm not safe.

So, you know, I never worry about what I'm doing during that type of chasing.

Pete Schwab (host)

That's pretty cool.

You also, you mentioned TV.

How is it?

Is it different doing the weather?

It is, I'm sure.

But like TV of all these fun graphics you can use, does it kind of make your job easier?

Or is it a little more difficult because of all the bells and whistles?

Mace Michaels (guest)

Well, just like here in radio, we're ad-libbing.

We're just talking about whatever we want to talk about, and people are always surprised that, yes, the news people are reading off scripts, and so is sports, and then there's ad-lib in between.

But weather's all ad-lib, and that's because I got the maps behind me, so I kind of set my script with the maps.

Even though I'm not writing anything down and I, you know, put together my story, just like a book, what I want to tell.

So when I'm doing TV stuff, which I'm on three stations over here in Minneapolis.

So if you're in Western Wisconsin, you probably can't escape me.

And I apologize

Pete Schwab (host)

for

Mace Michaels (guest)

that already.

Pete Schwab (host)

Did you ever see the movie Groundhog Day and

Mace Michaels (guest)

Bill Murray's?

Pete Schwab (host)

Oh, sure.

Does that make you laugh?

Mace Michaels (guest)

Oh, it makes me laugh.

And it sometimes makes me scratch my head because there are weather patterns that get like that.

Oh, that's so funny.

Pete Schwab (host)

So you're in Minnesota.

Are you a Vikings fan?

Do you follow the NFL at all?

Mace Michaels (guest)

I do, but I don't intently.

What I do follow closely is MLB.

I'm actually a meteorologist with the Minnesota Twins.

I saw that.

That's my cool job.

Pete Schwab (host)

That's really cool.

What does that mean?

I didn't even realize that baseball teams had employed meteorologists.

Would you just inform them on weather for the game?

Mace Michaels (guest)

We are the only one, actually, that has a meteorologist on site.

A lot used consultant meteorologists on the phone or something.

But I'm on site.

There's two of us split up that big home schedule, the 80 games, and I'm here for them and letting everybody know when it's going to rain or not, you know, baseball and water don't mix

Pete Schwab (host)

really.

So you get to watch the game, though, too.

Mace Michaels (guest)

Oh, well, on a sunny 70 degree night, there's nothing better than watching a baseball game semi behind home plate.

It's beautiful.

I spoiled and I'm blessed to have that job.

Pete Schwab (host)

It's awesome.

One more question for you about weather and it also pertains to movies.

What did you think of the movies, the twister movies?

Like you kind of watch those and go, whatever happened or oh, this is pretty fun.

Mace Michaels (guest)

You'll laugh at me.

The first one I saw and of course I loved it.

I have still yet to see the second one.

SPEAKER_??

Oh, okay.

Pete Schwab (host)

I

Mace Michaels (guest)

would

Pete Schwab (host)

imagine it's more realistic just because the CGI is so much better.

And I thought so.

I've seen both and I thought the second one, I don't know how realistic it is or not.

I'm just a movie fan, but the effects were pretty amazing.

Mace Michaels (guest)

Yeah, oh, that's what I've heard it and seen the clips of it.

The effects looked amazing.

I just wasn't as excited for the storyline Yeah, I was hoping there'd be more throwbacks to the first movie and and they you know, no Helen Hunt I was disappointed

Pete Schwab (host)

right and Bill Paxton sadly got arrested souls no

Mace Michaels (guest)

longer with us, which

Pete Schwab (host)

is a bummer but Mace this has been fun.

Thank you before we let you go I just have to ask you when you're done at the end of the day and you kick your meteorologist feet up and you're not

Looking at weather.

Are you binge watching anything?

What do you like to watch on color

Mace Michaels (guest)

television?

I'm not binge watching as much because we have three Yorkies in a kitty.

So they keep me busy and I am playing or collapsing one or the other.

Okay.

No TV, no movies.

It's on if they're, you know, my wife will put stuff on, but I usually am not the one picking it as much.

I mean, if I'm watching something on TV, it sports.

Nice.

Pete Schwab (host)

That's outstanding.

Thank you so much for your time tonight, Mace.

It's been great getting to know you, and I hope we can have you on more often.

Keep doing a great job.

Love listening to your forecasts.

Mace Michaels (guest)

Thank you, and happy to come back anytime.

I appreciate the invite.

Thanks.

You got

Pete Schwab (host)

it.

Have a great night.

All right.

That is Mace Michaels.

That was fun.

It was worth the wait.

Two years

Mace Michaels (guest)

gone

Pete Schwab (host)

round.

Conrad (co-host)

I've been listening to Mace do the

Pete Schwab (host)

weather, and we finally got him on the show.

Conrad (co-host)

He's a busy guy.

Yeah.

Pete Schwab (host)

Actually, we didn't really ask because I didn't know.

Sometimes you know when you start out you're like I was the same way with Clemens like he's so busy I don't want to burn

Conrad (co-host)

it

Pete Schwab (host)

like in your mace every twice an hour I'm like he doesn't have time to come on this little song and dance show

Conrad (co-host)

I mean do you think he does?

Do you think he'd kill him to give us a couple twins tickets?

Pete Schwab (host)

I was hoping for him to say yeah Pete pretty much Wisconsin is gonna be sunny and 70 moving forward

I wish.

I'll take some baseball tickets, yeah.

Conrad (co-host)

Yes.

You can probably throw you

Pete Schwab (host)

a couple

Conrad (co-host)

if you're willing to take the journey.

Pete Schwab (host)

Drive across the state.

That's not an easy drive.

Conrad (co-host)

No, no, especially in the winter, too.

Pete Schwab (host)

Exactly.

I did see this.

The white, the, where is that?

Oh, yeah.

The best city for Christmas, Conrad.

Do you know what it is?

Conrad (co-host)

Oh, I guess.

I do like how I printed the colors on that one for you.

Which one was that?

Pete Schwab (host)

Oh, the map.

the one with all the numbers on it with the cities.

I did that just for you.

Did you really?

Conrad (co-host)

Oh

Pete Schwab (host)

yeah.

Conrad (co-host)

That's a lot of color print right there.

Pete Schwab (host)

Sharpen the crayon next time because you went outside

Conrad (co-host)

the

Pete Schwab (host)

line.

I'm sorry.

No, this is really good.

Yeah, because this one, look at this little black and white one.

It's like a thumbnail.

Yeah,

Conrad (co-host)

that's not fun.

All

Pete Schwab (host)

right, we'll talk about that after we're gonna do the news and then we're gonna come back.

I'm gonna tell you what the best city for Christmas is.

You might be surprised, but maybe you won't.

And you might be kind of ticked off.

So we'll see.

And we'll read some more of your texts.

Our question of the night is, what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

And I'm totally plagiarizing tonight.

Jenny Brand, I agree with her expectations, but I think I agree with Maze too, is buying gifts for people.

I'm really not good at it.

Conrad (co-host)

You know, just go with the old, you gotta do socks.

Everyone needs some socks.

Nothing

Pete Schwab (host)

says I put no thought into this like socks or a gift card because socks for a guy That's what we just get and I'm fine.

Conrad (co-host)

You know, I love getting socks now.

I do too when I was younger.

I hated it But now I'm like this will be great.

Pete Schwab (host)

I'm totally with you because we talked about this last night I'm never gonna go out and buy socks so give them to me But I mean in terms of me buying gifts for others.

I just want to be better at it So all right open to your thoughts folks.

Tell me how I can improve

Be part of the show.

This is nightlight with peach wabba act 2 is coming up after news weather and

Conrad (co-host)

sports

Peach Wabba (host)

Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay, this is Night Light with Peach Wabba.

Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.

And now a guy who doesn't believe in sex after marriage, Peach Wabba.

Welcome back.

Conrad (co-host)

Oh yeah.

We are jamming here on a Wednesday night ladies and gentlemen a Wednesday night version of nightlight Hope you're having a great day, and if you're not please join us for some fun here, and we'll try to Try to send you off to bed in a good mood We're off the air at eight o'clock though Conrad people don't go to bed Some do o'clock My wife does sometimes she's a kindergarten teacher, so I think if She could probably go to bed at four o'clock in the afternoon if she if she could sometimes because it's pretty exhausting

What time do you usually crash?

Guest Speaker

Depends on the day, I feel like.

But usually probably around one.

One

Conrad (co-host)

a.m.

Guest Speaker

Maybe earlier, 12.30 to one.

Conrad (co-host)

Sometimes

Guest Speaker

there's those nights where I just can't fall asleep though, you know.

Conrad (co-host)

I'm trying to get to bed earlier, but it's tough.

Because I leave here, I drive.

Sometimes I go to the gym and I'm wide awake.

Then I have a double cappuccino or on midnight.

Guest Speaker

Well, that's probably...

why you're staying up.

Conrad (co-host)

I'm doing just

Guest Speaker

fine,

Conrad (co-host)

buddy.

So lots of fun here tonight.

We had Mace Michaels on in hour number one, if you missed that.

He was a lot of fun.

He does such a great job doing weather here at Civic Media, along with Brittany Merleau, Corey Hartman.

Corey's kind of a badass when it comes to weather.

His company is called Severe Studios.

That's more or less saying we look head.

eye to eye with weather.

And I saw a video of him.

He was kind of narrating and chasing the storm.

It was just, it's like, I don't ever want to chase a storm, but I wish I wanted to chase a storm.

Does that make sense?

You want to do the thing, but like you're scared.

It's not even like, here's the thing, like with fear.

Yeah, I don't want to do stuff that might kill me.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, me too.

Like you want to take a poke at me?

I'll fight you.

I'm walking away from that.

I'm not walking away from a tornado.

So there is a fear element for sure.

Guest Speaker

I don't know.

Would you do that?

Well, I mean, you know, sometimes when you're chasing a tornado, you know, there's, you could find love.

So if you're in the movies, yeah.

Conrad (co-host)

So that's why I'm always going to chase the tornado.

I already found love.

You should go on like a young Christian singles tornado venture.

Guest Speaker

I think I could find

Conrad (co-host)

Kenny

Guest Speaker

Sweeney.

Sidney

Conrad (co-host)

Sweeney, is

Guest Speaker

that

Conrad (co-host)

her name?

Sidney Sweeney, yeah.

You know, I'm confused because Amanda Zyford, they look like twins almost.

They're in that new movie, what's it called?

The Housemaid.

That looks creepy.

Really, really creepy.

It is creepy.

It's an erotic thriller, I think is what they're calling

Guest Speaker

it.

Anything with Sidney.

Erotic.

It has

Conrad (co-host)

to be erotic if it's

Guest Speaker

Sidney Sweeney.

Like the boxing one, it was erotic

Conrad (co-host)

sports.

She was a nun in a movie and somehow that became erotic.

That's not right.

So there you go.

But Mace was here coming up at 6.35.

There's Rob on at 6.35 or 6.20.

Guest Speaker

I believe 6.35.

6.35,

Conrad (co-host)

I think so

Guest Speaker

too.

6.35.

Conrad (co-host)

We've got Rob and we are keeping him for two hours because I miss Rob.

Guest Speaker

We're keeping him past.

Conrad (co-host)

Rob will be here at 6.35.

We're gonna talk about some big movie openings, some holiday films.

I don't think he's seen Avatar yet, but I will say that like the reviews are in, there's like 180 reviews in, it's probably not gonna get any more, or they'll trickle in, it's at 70%.

But that movie could stink, and the special effects alone are gonna get it a decent review, and it's James Cameron.

So I'm not, my bar is always low with these movies when I go in.

And I usually leave going, that was fun.

Not thinking it was a cinematic masterpiece, but it was a fun movie.

I

Guest Speaker

really enjoyed the last one.

Conrad (co-host)

I went

Guest Speaker

with a big group of my friends.

Well, that was one of your college shows.

Easier to go with a group.

This time I'm going by myself.

Conrad (co-host)

Why?

So you

Guest Speaker

can focus more?

I think ever since I started living by myself, going to the movies by yourself is so much better to

Peach Wabba (host)

me

Guest Speaker

because...

You don't know what the other people around you're gonna do and then they could pull their phone

Conrad (co-host)

out

Guest Speaker

and be like, you know But there's no talking anyways in the movie

Conrad (co-host)

right

Guest Speaker

and I don't want to talk no I'm

Conrad (co-host)

totally with

Guest Speaker

you so I like I mean it's cool actually to you know discuss it after it though I don't

Conrad (co-host)

have an outlet after to talk about it see that's the thing if you go with someone my favorite thing to do is

Like my wife likes to eat before the movie.

I like to go to the movie and then eat, cause then you can discuss the movie.

You're not like in a hurry trying to rush through dinner.

We've been there so many times telling the waitress, Hey, we're trying to make a movie.

She could not care less.

And then folks in hour number three, James Nets will be here.

Nets with a Z. He'll be here.

He's a photographer.

We're going to ask James all about Christmas and Heyward.

If you could.

I've been through Hayward a few times.

It is a very picturesque place.

And I'm very excited to talk about Christmas there because that's one of those like, you know, you go through it, especially at Christmas time, it feels like they should be shooting a movie there.

Like it's one of those kind of places.

So, we'll talk about that.

Right now, I think we should reintroduce, Con, our night-like question of the night.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Guest Speaker

Question.

Question.

Conrad (co-host)

Question.

Guest Speaker

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Questions.

Conrad (co-host)

All right, what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

What do you find the most stressful?

Let's read some texts.

For me, I totally stole my answers.

And I rarely do that.

I do give these questions some thought.

Well, first I think of the question, and then I think about what my answer will be.

But tonight, like it's kind of a no brainer, the holidays are just stressful in a good way sometimes, but sometimes you get stressed out.

And I would say I am totally stealing Jenny Brand's answer, our civic media colleague, she said expectations.

She said unnecessary expectations we put on ourselves and the occasion.

And I totally agree with that.

And Daniel Wheeler agreed with her, but I also like what May said, buying gifts.

That is something I do tend to leave to the last hour.

I'm not a particularly good gift-getter.

So I think both of those kind of stress me out.

Luckily, my wife is one of those people who will suggest things for me and I'm so bad at it.

I figure even if she gives me a bad recommendation, it's gonna be better than what I could come up with.

So that's a big help, but those are stressors.

Conrad said, shipping and handling.

Guest Speaker

Yeah, you know, like you leaving a gift to the last minute and then having to deal with the shipping and handling after that is right.

Thirty eight dollars international fees.

Yeah.

Conrad (co-host)

And you got to do it because you want to be the one guy at the gift exchange.

You got to print up a picture of it and go, it's on the way.

It's coming.

Trust me, it's coming.

No, I want to pull up Amazon on your phone.

Guest Speaker

Yeah, I went to Amazon and I got the fast shipping.

I was like, I can't wait.

So,

Conrad (co-host)

I

Guest Speaker

mean, that's, yeah, that was stressful today.

Conrad (co-host)

Next year, I would like to plan ahead.

I do not want to give any more of my hard-earned money to Amazon.

Yeah.

Or even these big websites.

Like, I'd so much rather go, and I have done this whenever possible in the past.

A mom and pop place, they're rare anyway now, but I would always prefer to do that rather than,

Peach Wabba (host)

they're

Conrad (co-host)

just rich enough.

And it's not even a, it's just whatever.

J.B.

Thompson says, remembering to turn off the stove.

That's a good one.

Uh-oh, be right back.

He remembered while he was texting.

His answer, I love that.

Well done.

You know who J.B.

Thompson is, right?

He's the guy behind the guy.

Behind the guy?

Yeah, that's him.

Behind the other guy too.

That's J.B.

Sean Boyce on social media says, watching everyone else get stressed, the lady brand.

The lady brand I think he meant the Jenny I don't know who posted above laid out the root cause of this quite well Jenny is the catalyst here.

I think you

Guest Speaker

say like cuz like in old times they would say like the lady brand But you get what I'm saying

Conrad (co-host)

I do you like you like you look like you stepped right out of Game of Thrones when you Yeah, it was pretty good, so we've got

Oh, Rachel from Milwaukee, but she's in Milwaukee, but her area code Conrad 608, that's just a world of conflict right there.

I don't know how Rachel gets through the day, but she says this is Rachel, Sydney's girlfriend.

Now, Sydney is Sydney politics or Sydney science?

What's his other name?

He goes, he's politics.

I can't remember what the other one was.

Frankenstein.

Sydney Frankenstein.

Well, Rachel, I met at the screening, she was there with Sydney, the screening of the Godfather of Green Bay, two weeks ago tomorrow.

Already and she's wonderful.

They're a wonderful couple and Rachel's this is Rachel Sidney's girlfriend What stresses me out for the holidays is that Sidney's dad booked a lot a not necessary back procedure on Christmas Eve.

Oh, come on Leaving Sidney as a designated driver and now I'm planning the Eve host efforts myself sad face tears emoji

I

Guest Speaker

got something that could help her out with Eve hosting.

Yeah.

Any gifts you have to wrap?

Don't wrap them.

Gift bag.

Conrad (co-host)

Conrad's gift bags.

Gift bags by Conrad.

I think that's a better name.

Guest Speaker

A lot of the stress will go out of the window if you just get gift bags.

Conrad (co-host)

Rachel, I feel for you.

I like Sydney a lot.

I kind of already like you a little better because he did this and I don't think that's fair.

And I think at the very least Conrad and I will give Sydney a talking to.

Sydney's dad, really.

Yes.

But you can't get mad at Sid.

He

Guest Speaker

doesn't control his dad.

Well, you know, now the doctor has to work on Christmas Eve, you know?

Conrad (co-host)

Yeah, that's weird.

Unless he just makes a massage, a back procedure.

It's a massage.

He can't drive after a massage.

He needs a joint emergency care practice session.

An adjustment.

Thank you, Rachel, for the text.

It's nice to see you branching out.

and not just living vicariously through Sydney's text.

Great to hear from you.

Monica from Mount Horrib says, tuned in late because I still haven't gotten used to this 5 p.m.

start.

Don't you love it when a listener says I tuned in late?

Like, there's no rules.

You could join the show at any time, but I love that Monica wants to be on time.

That's pretty cool.

She says, I still haven't gotten used to this 5 p.m.

start, neither have I, Monica.

She says, you asked about the holidays, but I don't know if that's the question of the night.

It is and stress and she probably has figured that out by now.

She says it's ungrateful, but I don't appreciate getting things I'm old and don't need things and quotes like you mentioned an earlier broadcast about wanting experiences instead I did and I believe in that strongly Monica

She continues saying, I cringe at the thought of getting more socks or mugs.

But I should be appreciative that I have people in my life still willing to get me things because I can be a real a-hole.

Oh, that is a great text, Monica.

And I'm totally with you.

I kind of feel the same way.

First of all, we don't have a huge house and we don't have a basement.

I don't need more stuff.

I would much rather have experiences or time.

and just make a memory.

Jim, from the 920, our pal Jim says, I was gonna say everything, unreasonable expectations, covers that really well, traveling, gift buying, timing dinner out for when people show up, trying to get the Santa believer to go to sleep, getting up at 4.30 a.m.

with the Santa believer.

Should grandpa go on?

No, you've covered it all.

Jim, I do remember one year, and it's so funny because when the kids expect things like my daughter,

I was videotaping and my daughter comes into the room and sees the presents under the Christmas tree.

And the first thing she says is, huh, not as many as last year.

Pause, go out of the room and come back in with a better attitude.

She was like five years old.

She's ripping on Santa Claus.

That's fantastic.

It was great.

All right, share with us, folks, your most stressful thing of the holidays, and we will read the rest of these texts and any new ones coming up.

We're gonna do a very short break, and then I'm gonna tell you, the best city for Christmas, you won't believe it, it's Peachwaba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

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Network.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Welcome back.

Happy holidays, everybody.

Gorgeous night here in downtown Green Bay.

A little warmer today.

That was fun.

We didn't freeze to death or anything like we did last weekend.

What is weather in Chicago supposed to be like Han for the Bear Packer game, do you know?

Conrad (co-host)

What one's that?

Let

Pete Schwabba (host)

me go to

Conrad (co-host)

the

Pete Schwabba (host)

weather wrap.

Conrad (co-host)

God.

Pete Schwabba (host)

You know what, it would be more riveting radio if you just guessed rather than took time out to look at your phone, pull up your app.

Conrad (co-host)

34 and sunny.

On Saturday night?

Sunny?

Oh, that was Sunday, sorry.

Well, no, I gotta go back.

Pete Schwabba (host)

It could be, I thought I heard it could be 40 in Chicago.

Conrad (co-host)

Oh, actually, it's colder on Sunday.

15 degrees on Sunday Saturday is 34 degrees.

Pete Schwabba (host)

That should be it's perfect, but I mean during

Conrad (co-host)

kickoff It's probably gonna be 20 degrees so

Pete Schwabba (host)

as a on the lake to

Conrad (co-host)

yeah, it's gonna be cold out there and they're you know Hard hits.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Yeah,

Conrad (co-host)

you're gonna hear them

Pete Schwabba (host)

That amazes me like that.

They could play in that like that game Well, I was watching the Bears game last week against Cleveland.

It was zero.

It felt like five below and they're

Conrad (co-host)

hitting

No, it's funny.

I saw a stat that you know Miami dolphins are I mean, you know, they're so used to the hot weather down there in Miami Yeah, they're they haven't won a game in like these cold winter games and like I don't know since like 2016 or something like that

Pete Schwabba (host)

really

Conrad (co-host)

They always prepared by doing something funny like on social media like before the game They played the Pittsburgh and it was zero degrees and they all came out wearing shorts and t-shirts

Pete Schwabba (host)

That is nuts.

Conrad (co-host)

In the snow and throwing snow at each other and they lost.

Pete Schwabba (host)

That coach is going to get launched.

I thought he was, I thought he was a good, like when he started, he was kind of cool.

He's playing rap music and dancing.

The players love them and he seemed like a good play caller.

Holy smokes.

They go downhill in a hurry.

Conrad (co-host)

I don't know if you heard, but they, they just put two as the quarterback three on the depth right now.

Pete Schwabba (host)

If I were that guy, I wouldn't go near a football field.

That concussion he had like two years ago was one of the scariest things I've ever seen in my life.

Conrad (co-host)

Yeah, I think he has now four concussions.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Take the money and

Conrad (co-host)

run.

Since he's, I mean,

Pete Schwabba (host)

including Alabama.

Conrad (co-host)

Since then?

Oh yeah.

Like awful.

A lot of injuries, a lot of concussions.

I don't even know how he's still playing.

Pete Schwabba (host)

But he

Conrad (co-host)

also, he's also making $223

Pete Schwabba (host)

million over four years, so.

Yeah, but if he walks away.

for medical reasons.

How much of that does he get to bank?

Conrad (co-host)

I think he still gets a decent

Pete Schwabba (host)

amount.

All of

Conrad (co-host)

it?

I don't know about all of it.

There might be a clause in there.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Honey Mill, I'd take that for my brain power.

Well, you know.

All right, so speaking of Miami, I saw this and I thought this was interesting, the 10 best cities for Christmas in 2025.

I just totally disagree with this.

This is off that Wise Brother media and it was Wallet Hub.

though that ranked it.

The best cities to spend Christmas in and this year, Atlanta, took the top spot.

They base it on things like how many holiday themed events there are, seasonal businesses like Christmas tree farms, how easy it is to shop and how much people love the holidays based on Google searches.

Okay, not a bad criteria for measuring it, but what about like, all right, whatever, we'll hold our.

Judgement until the end.

Atlanta is number one.

Then San Francisco, Seattle, Orlando, Vegas, none of those cities

Conrad (co-host)

have snow.

All those don't sound very Christmassy, especially Vegas.

It's like, yeah, all right, here's 200 bucks.

Here's your gift card.

Now go gamble it.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Right.

I mean...

Maybe Frisco, because it's an older city or Seattle, I guess.

Orlando, Vegas, Atlanta, St.

Louis is number six.

Conrad (co-host)

I mean, I feel like that's more Christmas-y than any of the other ones I felt like.

Pete Schwabba (host)

I guess.

And then it's Miami, Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh I could see.

Pretty town, some snow, New Orleans, and Cincinnati.

And I don't need snow to have a great Christmas.

We spent many Christmases in LA, just...

And at first it was like, this is weird.

And by year three, it's like, oh, we can go to the park.

Let's do it.

We loved it.

But now that I've been back here, I kind of want snow for Christmas, but none of those cities, I would not want to spend Christmas and nothing against them.

These are some great towns.

I don't think any of these would make my top 10.

Conrad (co-host)

Orlando is crazy me because I feel like that's just crazy packed all the time.

And especially during Christmas where people go to Disney and...

Universal and all those places that's I don't they put on some good shows there, but it's just always super packed So I don't I don't know

Pete Schwabba (host)

maybe they dress it up and they play Christmas music I don't know but this is the same survey said but of the 100 cities they looked at Vegas was five North Las Vegas ranked second to last 98th or 99th So make sure you

if you're gonna spend Christmas in Vegas, you're not in North Las Vegas.

Apparently there's a big drop off between Vegas and North Las Vegas.

Conrad (co-host)

It's not that far apart.

It's like two

Pete Schwabba (host)

minutes, right?

That's why it's so funny and weird.

But they sent a map, or there was a map attached to, I appreciate the colors you added, no Wisconsin cities.

Yes.

First of all, Marinette is Christmas City, USA.

That's gonna catch fire.

Yeah.

But no, no Milwaukee, no Madison, no Green Bay.

And I Milwaukee's a really good Christmas town.

They got all those like the Nutcracker and Christmas Carol Well, it's really strange Chicago was 11 Okay, I was a great Christmas town.

Conrad (co-host)

So I feel like The major cities are getting love no no other like right, you know

Pete Schwabba (host)

Marinette's not making this list

Conrad (co-host)

I mean, I don't even think Milwaukee is not that major of a city compared to the other ones.

I feel like

Pete Schwabba (host)

really

That's bigger than some of them, right?

I mean, it's probably about the same size as St.

Louis, but Minneapolis is 19.

St.

Paul is 20th.

Portland is 15th.

Denver 18th.

See, I thought Denver would be higher.

Beautiful mountain snow.

Los Angeles is 16th.

Honolulu 13th.

You know what?

I would spend Christmas in Honolulu.

I definitely would.

I would do that.

So maybe I'm a bit of a bi-humbugger.

Okay, folks.

Rob Thomas is coming up next.

And I'm gonna ask Rob, we have to have a continuation because last night, one of our guests, Boris Hamilton, sort of trashed Christmas vacation.

You did, you did.

Conrad's favorite Christmas movie.

And we'll ask Rob that too if he thinks that's a good movie or not.

But all things movies coming up next with Rob, it's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Rich LoCasio

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Rich LoCasio.

You're listening to Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

I would like to introduce to you the pine tree mauler from Marinette, Wisconsin.

He is Pete Schwabba!

Pete Schwabba

Welcome back.

I am Pete Schwabba.

I am the pine tree mauler.

That makes me sound like kind of a badass, but he just means I am the pine tree.

I'm the pine tree mall walker.

Rob Thomas

I was about to say you're the guy that walks around the mall that

Pete Schwabba

much.

I lap the 85 year olds and I just say on your left every two seconds and I feel like an athlete.

This is exciting, folks.

I love nothing more than to talk movies and TV and one of my favorite people to do it with.

It joins us now.

He is the CityCast Madison newsletter editor, and you follow him at NotThatRobThomas sub-stack.

He does great movie reviews, and he joins us here over the stream, as he so often does.

Mr. Rob Thomas, back in the States, back in Madison.

Good to see you, buddy.

Rob Thomas

Yeah, it's good to be back in this hemisphere.

How was your trip?

It was so I went to Antarctica for a week with my mom.

My mom has become this.

She turned 80 this year.

She's become this huge world traveler.

She had already been to Iceland and Sicily this year and was like, I want to go to Antarctica.

Do you and your brother want to go?

And like, I mean, of course, right?

And like I, like I was not even ever on my bingo card that would go to Antarctica of all places.

And it was incredible.

It was like being on an alien planet.

Like the penguins are just as cute as you think they are they're the hundreds of them and they don't you can get up to like five meters away and they don't even really Are interested in you they just go about their their penguin business and they're so cute Incredible just beautiful glaciers and icebergs and we saw lots of whales and seals and

and I swear the weather was nicer here than it was in Wisconsin.

Like I was feeling, I'm in Antarctica and I'm feeling bad for people back home dealing with, you know, the snow and the cold.

Pete Schwabba

I was gonna say like, was Wisconsin not cold enough in December?

Your mom had to drag the family to Antarctica?

It

Rob Thomas

was, I mean, I hate to say, it was like 30s, you know, and it was sunny some days and it was pretty nice.

Yeah, I never, I never felt, I mean, you have a lot of gear and stuff.

I never felt chilly.

like the way I did this morning when I walked the dogs.

So, yeah,

Pete Schwabba

uh, it was,

Rob Thomas

yeah, if anybody gets the opportunity and I know that's a pretty rare opportunity, I mean, I highly recommend it.

It's incredible.

Pete Schwabba

Like where in Antarctica, Robert, there's, is there like a holiday in up there or what's the deal?

Rob Thomas

No, I mean, you go, I mean, on these cruises, you go kind of on just a very

There's a little peninsula that kind of goes up towards like Chile and Argentina at the tip there.

And so you kind of tool around in a boat back and forth to the islands and then a couple of times to the mainland.

So like you're not like, this wasn't the thing we're talking about.

This was, you know, this was a boat with a nice buffet every night in a bar.

And, you know, it was electric cruise, but then also these natural geographic cruises.

They've got like naturalists and photographers and divers, and they're telling you what to see and what to look for.

And they're honestly loving it just as much as you are, because it's such a rare experience.

So it was just really cool.

I'm really grateful to my mom for taking me on this incredible thing.

Pete Schwabba

That's really cool.

I noticed you weren't joking about the penguins.

You posted a video on Facebook.

It looked like you were 20 feet away and they just walked past like nothing.

It was so cool.

Rob Thomas

Yeah, they have these little penguin highways and once you keep a five meter distance, they'll just kind of, you know, these, all these people in Orange Park has just stopped and because the penguins have the right of way and these kind of waddle by and they might look at you, but they might just go on about their business and I did.

I feel like we should have been able to pick one up and hug it.

You know what I mean?

Like I understand bio contamination and scientific science and all that stuff.

But come on, that's one penguin, one hug.

That can't be that can't be too horrible for the ecosystem.

Pete Schwabba

Right.

That's very American of you, Rob.

I should be a penguin.

Rob Thomas

That's so great.

Pete Schwabba

I'm going

Rob Thomas

to start an online petition.

Pete Schwabba

I'll sign it.

Send it my way, buddy.

I'm there.

What do you

Is there something about the holidays that stresses you out, Rob?

What stresses you out the most if you had to say something?

Rob Thomas

I think it just comes at you so fast.

And I don't know if this year was different, but when Thanksgiving is over, you're like, jeez, less than a month.

And then that was the thing I got back from Antarctica December 7th, I think.

And so all of a sudden, it's like, jeez, it's less than three weeks until Christmas.

I got all this stuff to do.

Uh, this year, I think I did pretty good on, on presence.

I think I've got everything pretty much nailed down, although there's always that last thing I completely forgot about.

So I think it's just the lack of time to really like go like, oh, this is, can I enjoy this?

Pete Schwabba

Yeah.

Good answer.

Great one.

Um, let's talk, let's start, um, with a little bit.

Have you seen train dreams?

Rob Thomas

No, I want

Pete Schwabba

to.

I heard it's

Rob Thomas

fantastic.

Yeah.

Pete Schwabba

It moved me.

It was just really good filmmaking.

I'm very anxious to talk about it with people.

And it's in the Oscar conversations for whatever that's worth at this point.

But I really enjoyed it.

So we'll, I just want to, I had to temper myself.

So now I know we're not going to talk about that so we can get to all these other cool things.

Rob Thomas

So I'll see you for next time for sure.

Okay, perfect.

It's one I definitely want to see.

Pete Schwabba

I'm sure you'll review it soon.

But it's, yes, it's right there on Netflix.

But let's start with Rob Reiner.

What are your thoughts?

on his body of work.

I'm a huge fan and I realized when I was looking up all of his work after he tragically passed away on Sunday that he never really wrote.

He mostly directed, but he was phenomenal at it.

He was just an incredible storyteller.

Rob Thomas

Was he a comedy writer?

Didn't he start on the Smothers Brothers as a comedy writer?

I try to remember that, but he was just a naturally funny person.

Like as an actor like on all in the family, which you know, and like even like in his later years when he would do a cameo on something like the bear or he was in the Wolf of Wall Street,

Rich LoCasio

he was

Rob Thomas

hilarious.

Like he knew how to be funny.

But gosh, he had, I mean, the news is so awful.

And like when I saw it come out across the wire Sunday night, I just couldn't believe it.

And it seems to just be getting worse.

But he had, I mean, an incredible run as a director.

When you think about

Like from This Is Spinal Tap in 84 to Stand By Me in 86 to Misery's in there.

Been hearing about Sally, of course, a few good men.

I mean,

Pete Schwabba

just an

Rob Thomas

incredible run that Princess Bride.

Pete Schwabba

Oh my

Rob Thomas

gosh, how'd I forget that?

I mean, that's how good it was.

I forgot Princess Bride.

Pete Schwabba

I've been remembering his movies all week.

Like I'd go to IMDb and then, you know, you got to keep reloading the page because it's so long.

I just kind of stopped after standby me.

But he also directed the Sure Thing, which I forgot about the John Cusack film.

Yeah, you're right.

He was, you know, his it's rare that you that there's this.

Titan of show business.

He had you're probably right.

He probably wrote for those shows He was on all in a family and then he directed this string of movies in different genres

Rich LoCasio

And I

Pete Schwabba

forget where I read this it was somewhere on social media But someone said he probably made the best coming-of-age movie the best mockumentary the best romantic comedy like and you could make an argument for all of those films and

Rich LoCasio

when you

Pete Schwabba

think about Who he grew up or well his dad is Carl Reiner Mm-hmm

Mel Brooks was around a lot as a kid.

Albert Brooks was his best friend.

I mean, talk about the comedy in this guy's life.

He pretty much, and sadly, you think, well, he crushed it.

He took everything, became a sponge, probably, and was this master storyteller, actor, director.

If you're his son, and your grandfather was a giant of show business, and your dad maybe even up the ante,

I mean, you just gotta go be a pipe fitter or a lawyer or something, right?

I mean, I didn't fill those shoes, and I'm not saying I know what the guy's issues are, but I haven't read much about it because it's too depressing,

Rob Thomas

but... No, I mean, obviously, he had...

serious problems.

But you think of Rob Reiner, you could say the same thing.

I mean, Carl Reiner was a giant.

He created the Dick Van Dyke show.

And, you know, and so Rob Reiner could have very easily been like, well, I can't, how can I compete?

And said he completely forged his own path.

Like, like as a filmmaker, he sort of fell off probably the mid 90s.

You know, I think North was the one that.

Pete Schwabba

Oh,

Rob Thomas

yeah.

And it is rough.

But I read that like, at that time,

This writer came to him with this screenplay.

And Reiner said, great, I want to direct it.

And the writer was like, no, I want to direct it.

Please let me direct it.

And Reiner said, OK.

And he directed, Reiner directed North and this guy directed the Shawshank Redemption.

So that would

Pete Schwabba

have been Rob

Rob Thomas

Reiner's next movie

Pete Schwabba

and would have killed it.

And that was a Castle Rock film.

That was his company.

Right.

Rob Thomas

That's what I mean.

He produced it and they put their backing behind it and he

you know, another aspect to his life was he was just seemed like the nicest person on earth.

He was so, he wasn't jealous at all that like North flopped and Shawshank became this classic.

He was very complimentary and supportive of Frank Darabont, the writer-director and said, you know, and, um, and was like that his whole life.

He just, I mean, this week, he's just been seeing so many stories about people interacting.

I read this thing by Will Wheaton,

Rich LoCasio

uh, who was

Rob Thomas

in standby me and said, basically,

My biological father didn't care about me at all, and Rob Reiner was the second dad to me.

And of course, politically, we might not have.

Reiner fought back against this Proposition 8 in California, which banned gay marriage, which when that was overturned, that led to the federal ban on gay marriage being overturned.

I mean, you think of all the different ways, both creatively and politically, he influenced.

generations.

Pete Schwabba

Yeah.

And we're

Rob Thomas

just such a great guy.

Yeah.

Pete Schwabba

Yeah, everybody.

Rob Thomas is here, folks.

He is a Madison based film critic and the Citycast Madison newsletter editor.

Check it out.

It's a great publication.

Citycast.

Madison.com, Robert.

FM.

I think it's not FM because of the

Rob Thomas

podcast.

Yeah.

Okay.

Pete Schwabba

But I think

Rob Thomas

it's Madison.

You'll find

Pete Schwabba

it.

Yeah.

And it's interesting, like just seeing all the the

the stuff people have been posting about him.

A lot of my friends had experiences with him.

And you're right, he's just a nice guy.

And I'm jealous that I never got to meet him.

My friend Paul Gannis, he was a fellow parent at our kid's grade school.

He was in a film and something happened.

His dad got sick.

He had to leave and I should have wrote this down, but I was reading about it last night.

I want to have Paul in the show to tell the story, but it was he played a pilot for Kevin Costner in a movie.

He had to leave the set and he said, just rebook my part.

I have a family emergency.

Rob Reiner and Kevin Costner, to their credit, said, go, family comes first.

Go be with your family.

We'll wait.

He said they chartered a plane to get him back home.

It cost the set and production probably $100,000 to do this for him.

But, and he was a day, I don't know if he's a day player, had a few days or whatever, but stories like that say so much about a person.

I mean, you just, you take him for granted, like, I didn't know what a great guy, like I thought he was a great guy and made good films.

Now this stuff comes out and you're like, oh man.

Rob Thomas

It says a lot about a person.

How they behave once they have that power yeah, like what you could charter a plane for somebody It says a lot about a person how you choose to use that power and sound like you know as you that one of the hottest filmmakers in The 20th century and he never lost that sense of like supporting other people helping other people making other people feel

uh, welcome and comfortable and supported

Pete Schwabba

just as decency.

I mean, you could, when you get that power, you either get off on saying, fire him, get him out of here.

Cause you can, or you're a decent human being.

And that's what, by all accounts,

Rob Thomas

American president, he's directed that too.

Right.

Pete Schwabba

I

Rob Thomas

mean, they just keep coming.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Pete Schwabba

So, Rob, we have a few things to discuss here.

You've seen some films.

I want to discuss Pluribus with you.

I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on Song Song Blue.

And I want to ask, when we come back, folks, I'm going to ask Rob, maybe he can settle the debate for us, because we had a guest

Rich LoCasio

last

Pete Schwabba

night, Rob, who said Christmas Vacation is not a good movie.

So we'll talk about that with Rob, too.

Our question of the night is, what stresses you out about the holidays?

We will get into that as well.

Rob, I also want to say, when I was looking at this before, that thank you for the shout out in CityCast Madison

Rich LoCasio

about the

Pete Schwabba

Godfather of Green Bay Screening.

It was very sweet, and I just noticed that.

I'm glad that

Rob Thomas

you packed the Atwood Music

Pete Schwabba

Hall.

Yeah, we packed it enough.

Yeah.

I don't know if we did hundreds of Beaver's numbers, but we were fine.

It was good.

Yeah.

All right, we're coming right back.

It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight.

Rob Thomas is

Rich LoCasio

here.

Pete Schwab

Welcome back.

I'm Pete Schwab, and this is Nightlight.

Rob Thomas is here, folks, a Madison film critic and city cast Madison newsletter editor that film was called Rumor Has It.

I was talking about that my friend.

Rob Thomas

Oh,

Pete Schwab

yeah, the pilot.

So I

Rob Thomas

have to

Pete Schwab

get him on here.

It's funny.

I directed him.

This is we both direct Rob Reiner and I both directed Paul Gannes in a

Rob Thomas

while waiting

Pete Schwab

to hear what I directed.

But it was a student movie at our grade school about reading.

So, you know, and I would

Rob Thomas

not have

Pete Schwab

let him take the day off.

I would have I would have held his feet

Rob Thomas

to the fire

Pete Schwab

and

So anyway, you said it on a path Was it all to me got the got the bug absolutely So let's let's go to movies here Rob.

What I'm so curious.

I'm really excited to see song sung blue.

Was it good?

Rob Thomas

So I enjoyed quite a lot of it.

Yeah, and I and It comes out Christmas Day, so I don't want to definitely spoil anything and I haven't written my review yet I saw it Monday where there was an early screening was the

the mystery movie at Marcus.

But it's a movie that, yeah, so it was cool.

And it's a movie with huge impact for Wisconsin, especially Milwaukee, because it's about lightning and thunder, which was this Neil Diamond tribute band.

And if you went to summer fest or you went to the Wisconsin State Fair in the 90s, 2000s, they were there.

I mean, I don't know if you ever saw them, Pete.

I know I have

Pete Schwab

not.

I

Rob Thomas

wish I would

Pete Schwab

have.

Rob Thomas

I mean they, yeah, I mean it was this married couple, Mark and Claire Sardina and Mark or Mike, Mike and Claire Sardina and they just threw themselves into Sweet Caroline and Cracklin Rose and really became local celebrities.

And so there was this great documentary called Song Song Blue that came out in 2008.

It was at the Wisconsin Film Festival, was a big hit there.

And this is now the sort of fictionalized biopic version with

Hugh Jackman playing Mike and Kate Hudson playing Claire.

And what I really liked about it was kind of watching these two people who were like, he's a mechanic.

She's a hairdresser.

They're both in their 40s, probably, but they they've always had these dreams of being on stage, being in the spotlight and watching them sort of like, you know,

get together, get this idea for a Neil Diamond band, and then gig by gig, working their way up.

It's really entertaining.

It's funny because the director is a guy named Craig Brewer who made this movie called Hustle and Flow 20 years ago about a Memphis rapper.

It's kind of the same movie, even though the music couldn't be more different.

It's like these people who are just kind of pushing themselves forward by will and talent and gaining more fans.

Jackman's good as Mike.

It's funny because he's not playing Neil Diamond.

He's playing a Neil Diamond impersonator in Milwaukee.

And I think he really gets that sort of that flavor of it.

And then Kate Hudson, if there's Oscar talk, it's about her.

She's really fantastic in it.

She hasn't really been in the movie in a role like this in a while.

She was in a Knives Out movie.

But if people know the story, there's a...

They had their fair share more than their fair share of tragedy in their life.

And so what she goes through, I mean, Kate Hudson really conveys emotionally to the screen.

You know, where I had problems is where it kind of diverts from the real facts and makes it very Hollywood eyes.

And I don't want to spoil it.

And I understand biopics do that.

It's not a documentary, but it just didn't ring true to me.

But I think people are like, I mean, Hugh Jackman was all over Milwaukee a couple of weeks ago.

I saw that he was scooping cops custard and and what else.

So yeah, they're I mean, yeah, I think people it's a good Christmas Day movie.

It's a good movie that like, you know, after the presents are unwrapped, the family can go out and joy.

Yeah.

Pete Schwab

So it is kind of a family film.

Rob Thomas

Oh, definitely.

Yeah.

Okay.

There's nothing objectionable.

But I think like kids will like it, but also especially like Jen X Boomer parents, especially if you ever saw them.

the band will really like it.

Pete Schwab

Hustle and Flow was Terrence Howard, right?

Rob Thomas

Correct.

Pete Schwab

It's hard out here for a pimp was the song.

Rob Thomas

Exactly.

Yeah, that was

Pete Schwab

a great movie.

It was, yeah.

Rob Thomas

I forgot

Pete Schwab

about that.

Yeah.

What have you heard, Rob, about Avatar, if anything?

Rob Thomas

I feel like I've seen a couple of early reviews come in.

I've tried not to look at them, but I guess people, it's kind of more of the same, right?

SPEAKER_??

Yeah.

Rob Thomas

which I kind of got from the trailer that like, you know, it's visually dazzling.

I'm going to go see it.

I'm going to go see it in 3D and IMAX because these are like, you know, amusement park rides as much as they are movies, you

Pete Schwab

know,

Rob Thomas

and, you know, you can't ever count out James Cameron.

But I, you know, I'm excited to see it just because I know like the first, the first two were such.

experiences.

I don't know how they're going to be as stories or

Pete Schwab

yeah,

Rob Thomas

art, but I think as experiences, they're always, you always want to catch them on the big screen.

Pete Schwab

Can we keep you for a few minutes after the news round?

Rob Thomas

Absolutely.

Got a lot

Pete Schwab

to talk about here.

So I appreciate the extra few minutes.

But what do you think about Pluribus?

Rob Thomas

So I fell behind Pluribus when I was in Antarctica.

I'm on episode five.

I get why some people, and I think you were included, we're getting kind of bored with it.

It's funny, because I was thinking about that.

It's really only two characters in that entire show, which is Rhea Steerhorn's character and this collective, right?

There's like a pod.

Pete Schwab

Yeah.

Rob Thomas

Yeah, the pod.

And so that could be really limiting, I think, you know what I mean?

Because it's like.

Breaking Bad, which was Vince Gilligan's other show had a lot of colorful characters.

But if it's only two people, where can you take that?

But I'm still interested to see where it goes.

I really, I trust that show, I think, to do interesting things with

Pete Schwab

that.

That's a great way to put it.

Vince Gilligan is amazing.

I loved Better Call Saul.

Maybe more than Breaking Bad, and I

Rob Thomas

was so

Pete Schwab

excited to see this, but I feel like they have three episodes of material.

It could have been a movie.

I went from

The first episode was one of the best things I've ever seen to, wow,

Rob Thomas

this

Pete Schwab

is getting really boring.

And now I'm in Suckville.

I'm so annoyed

Rob Thomas

with this show.

Pete Schwab

I know, Rob.

And I'm going to stick with it because it's Vince Gilligan.

And a couple of times, they tease you at the end of the episode.

And I tune back in.

Finally, something's happening.

I'm like, oh, they just kind of glossed over.

I don't know what is going on.

I said, get that off my chest to a professional.

All right, Rob Thomas

Rob Thomas

is

Pete Schwab

here, folks.

He's going to stick with us for a few more minutes after news, weather, and sports, which comes up next.

And we'll have that Christmas vacation debate that's coming up next.

It's Night Light with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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This is Night Light with Pete Chwaba.

Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.

And now, a guy who does his own stunts, Pete Chwaba.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Welcome back.

Act 3 is underway, folks, on a Wednesday night here.

A gorgeous, beautiful night in our state broadcasting here from beautiful Green Bay, and I am sure it is gorgeous in Madison, Milwaukee.

Heyward, we'll be talking about Heyward a little bit later this hour with photographer James Nets and Christmas in Heyward.

I feel like there should be a movie shot there.

It's a very beautiful setting.

Rob Thomas is my current guest.

We will be back with Rob in just a moment.

If you missed earlier, folks, check out the podcast at civicmedia.us.

Mace Michaels was here.

It was fun to talk to Mace about weather.

And I don't know what, you know, it's always the thing like, say, oh, we'll talk about the weather.

Like that's boring or small talk.

I love talking about weather now.

And when I lived in California, it wasn't, it was like the same all the time.

It wasn't really even worth talking about unless we got a thunderstorm, which was awesome.

But in Wisconsin, I love talking about weather, so that was fun to talk to Mace.

Our question of the night is, what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

I say, I copied Jenny Brand's answer and said expectations, unnecessary or unrealistic expectations, and buying gifts.

I'm not good at that.

Conrad said shipping and handling.

Correct.

That can be a stress for I guess.

Handling alone.

Conrad (co-host)

Yeah.

Like I said, I bought some glassware.

And I'm hoping none of it shatters on the way to my house.

Pete Chwaba (host)

I love that I was gonna make a joke about handling and I'm more immature than you.

You went right to the actual thing.

Conrad (co-host)

Well, it's very serious, Pete.

I don't want my gift to be broken.

Don't blame you because it's for your brother's father-in-law.

That's a lot of stress.

Pete Chwaba (host)

That's a stressor.

Exactly.

You could tank your brother's marriage if you get the guy the wrong gift.

It doesn't get there in

Conrad (co-host)

time.

If it shows up and he opens it and there's two broken glasses.

Well, what would you

Pete Chwaba (host)

do then?

Conrad (co-host)

Exactly.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Send it back to China or something.

All right, right now my guest is Rob Thomas folks.

We love talking movies with Rob here at nightlight He is a Madison based film critic and the city cast Madison newsletter editor they write about really cool stuff taking place in Madison and Rob, it's interesting I Madison's one of my favorite cities anywhere

But I'm amazed that when I read CityCast Madison, just how much is going on there?

It's like, it seems like the city should have 5 million people and it's got like 300,000, but there's a ton of stuff going on in Madison.

Rob Thomas

Yeah.

Pete, first of all, you and I had a psychic connection about that handling joke.

I totally agree with that.

So it's probably better.

Conrad's in the room to mature mature it up.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's great.

Yeah.

I mean, I was writing something.

I think it ran today on

New Year's Eve events in Madison.

And I was like, is there enough people to go to all these things?

Because there's like, there's like an Irish rock band doing one.

And there's one for kids.

And there's a big fancy soiree at the Concourse Hotel.

And there's like, like a psychedelic rock band doing a midnight show.

And there's a comedy show at the Comedy Club.

And you're like, man, there's a lot of stuff going on for a town on our side.

We definitely punch above our weight.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Yeah.

Oh, that's a great analogy.

And I'll just say my

niece just moved from Madison.

She was working for a company there.

And she never had any connection to Wisconsin other than coming up to Marinette to see her grandparents and us and that.

But she lived in Madison for three years and she just got a job in New York in her field, a big promotion.

And it's New York.

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And she's

Pete Chwaba (host)

posting about Madison.

And she's putting these pretty pictures of our state capital, meaning the city and the state capital.

But like all these great photos of Madison and her hashtag is like my first true love.

Like she

Rob Thomas

loved me.

Pete Chwaba (host)

And that's like she had no real.

to do that, you know, I mean, it's just a great city.

Rob Thomas

And I think it does stick in people's minds.

Like we talked all the time about people who went to school here or had like a job out of college here, left and went to New York City, left and went to San Francisco, and they come back.

They were trying to raise a family.

They come back to, you know, Milwaukee, I think is a wonderful city as well.

But, you know, it's sort of, it's sort of like, yeah, like, like she said, it's like your first, your first true love, you never quite get over it.

Pete Chwaba (host)

It was a great, yeah, it was a great phrase and it's, you're right, there's just a vibe there.

And it's like one of those cities, to have a vibe that big and a city that small is not, doesn't seem right, but it's a beautiful thing.

So settle this, I do want to ask you about a couple things you wrote about in CityCast Madison, but first I want to get into this Christmas vacation thing.

So I had a guest on last night, he said, it's not a good movie.

It's Conrad's, one of his favorite movies, definitely his favorite Christmas movie.

I am kind of in the middle.

I agree with him.

It's not a great movie, but it's like comfort food.

And there are like five or six laughs that make it worth watching.

Where do you fall on Christmas vacation, Rob?

Rob Thomas

I think it's fine.

Yeah.

I mean, I saw it in the theater in 1990.

And yeah, I mean, the squirrel and the tree and, you know, there's good laughs in that movie.

But I haven't, I don't know if I've seen it since.

It's just one

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of those movies

Rob Thomas

that like,

Yeah, I just want those movies that like, I mean, I probably did, but like, you know, it becomes a family tradition,

Announcer

right?

It

Rob Thomas

could be it's a wonderful life.

It could be diehard.

It could be Christmas vacation and like, you know, so I don't begrudge anybody like Conrad who, you know, thinks it's one of their favorite movies.

Probably vacation, the original one, maybe laugh more.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Oh, yeah.

That's

Rob Thomas

not even

Pete Chwaba (host)

close.

Rob Thomas

Yeah.

Right, right.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Yeah.

What are the what are the Christmas movies in the Thomas household?

What do you guys binge on?

Rob Thomas

Well, I mean, I've I've talked at length about it's a wonderful life.

I think I think I've now officially made everybody in the house sick of it's a wonderful life.

I think I think they would all rather live in Pottersville at this point.

But I'll be watching that this year.

Die Hard's a good one that we like.

My wife really likes white Christmas.

We watch that one.

which is, I think a good movie.

Yeah, it was interesting.

And then there are other ones like, what are some modern ones that are really good?

Like the ice harvest is sort of a nasty.

Oh, no, I am not.

Yeah, John Cusack again.

That's a good sort of nasty crime thrillers.

I think you heard Ray misdirected it of all people.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Yeah, I always forget about.

Rob Thomas

Friend of mine recommended that I really like that one Yeah, I'm trying blanking at this point, but you know any sort of any good Christmas Carol whether it's Patrick Stewart did a really good one Of course the original with Alistair Sims.

I will say honestly if you have Apple TV There's a movie with Ryan Reynolds and Will Ferrell called I think it's called spirited.

It's a musical.

Yeah, yeah, and and the director is

Sean Anders who's from De Forest, Wisconsin.

Oh, I think that's a great movie.

Like I loved it way more than I thought I would.

I think it's it's a little long, but I thought it was really good.

It was somebody's watching on the plane when I was flying back from Antarctica and I was like, that's a really good Christmas movie.

I need to watch that one again.

That's kind of new too, right?

Yeah, it was like two years ago.

So I think in recent ones, but that's when I think, you know, I mean, so many movies get lost in streaming, but that's when I would love to see people.

start watching year after year because I thought it was really good.

Like I said, way better than I expected it was going to be.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Yeah.

I think my go-to as far as pop movies go is probably Home Alone.

And again, not a great movie, but like coming

Rob Thomas

to food.

It's

Pete Chwaba (host)

just

Rob Thomas

got

Pete Chwaba (host)

that house.

And that's what I like about the Griswold.

It's like the house.

I like the getting ready for Christmas and seeing all that.

They do capture that.

And Home Alone is kind of the same.

Like it's in that north suburb of Chicago.

Looks very Christmassy, colonial.

And, uh, but yeah, I'm with you though.

I think, uh, it's a wonderful life is probably the best one.

Rob Thomas

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, well, you and I can watch it since nobody else will

Pete Chwaba (host)

watch it.

We'll send our families bowling or something.

Rob Thomas

That's

Pete Chwaba (host)

right.

Um, all right.

So let's talk a little bit, uh, before we let you go at this ugly sweater thing, Rob, is this ever going to go away?

Have we ugly sweater partied ourselves to death as Americans?

Rob Thomas

Here's the thing.

I authentically ugly sweaters.

You can't make ugly.

You know what I mean?

You need to go and get an authentically ugly sweater.

I don't want to see an ugly sweater with like Fortnight on it, you know, or like, you know what I mean?

Like these sort of fake ugly sweaters.

It has to be authentically ugly.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Yeah.

That's funny.

All right.

So you wrote about a couple of things in CityCast and these are things that are, I think, happening in December.

There's a Santa run.

Does Madison have to be health conscious all the time, Rob?

Is it always have to be exercise related?

Rob Thomas

It was so.

crazy because I was like looking and there was like a Santa run and a Krampus run and the Santa cycle rampage.

Like I had a whole article just on like.

fitness, Christmas things going on in Madison.

I have no idea.

Pete Chwaba (host)

It's a great

Rob Thomas

article.

Pete Chwaba (host)

It's holiday events that will raise your spirits and your heart rate.

And when did Krampus, like when did evil Christmas become a thing?

Like you've got Silent Night, you know, I guess the Grinch is pretty dark or can be.

Right.

But when did the Krampus thing and all the dirt, the dark

Rob Thomas

and scary.

There was like a movie like five years ago.

I don't know where it came from, but it's become this kind of like.

got the emo alternative to Santa Claus.

And, you know, that's just how people are.

Some people just want to, you know, have the bad kids be eaten or whatever.

So they're not getting, not getting their favorite present.

But cool.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Dude, thank you as always so much fun.

I hope the everyone in the Thomas house has a great Christmas and yeah, just keep up the great work.

We love reading it and it's fun to talk about this stuff.

Rob Thomas

Thanks, Pete.

Merry Christmas.

Pete Chwaba (host)

You got it.

You too, Rob.

Thanks so much.

That's Rob Thomas.

Check out his work at Citycast Madison.

It is a really fun publication to read.

It just makes Madison fun to read about.

And his... I heard that gone

Conrad (co-host)

right there.

No, you didn't.

Rob Thomas

And

Pete Chwaba (host)

follow Rob on that Rob Thomas sub-stack.

Great movie reviews there.

He does great work.

You know, that was impressive.

It was like a college dorm burp.

Conrad (co-host)

I blame this Diet Coke I'm sipping on.

Pete Chwaba (host)

Oh, that'll do it, man.

Conrad (co-host)

Come on.

At least it wasn't over the

Pete Chwaba (host)

mic.

You can just

Conrad (co-host)

hear it through the glass, so that was powerful.

No, you were very professional about it.

I'm just saying it was louder, I think.

How bad would it be if I just actually turned on my mic for all my burps?

That would not be acceptable

Pete Chwaba (host)

on any level.

It would be like the greatest movie burp I've ever seen is Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber when he, that girl is being sweet to him at the bar at the hotel and he lets out this burp and it, it startles her.

And I think he really did that.

And the actress like kind of, it's worth a Google.

It's really funny.

Rachel on social media says, I mostly no longer engage in the holidays that has removed.

the stress.

Yeah, that'll do it, Rachel.

That's our question of the night is, what do you find most stressful about the holidays?

You can answer on social media.

We post our question there every day on Facebook.

And or you can send us a stream comment or text us on the app or the text line at 855-752-4842.

Are we caught?

We're not caught up.

I've got a bit of a backlog here.

Conrad (co-host)

Yeah, we got some text actually that came in at the beginning of the show.

No,

Pete Chwaba (host)

I thought I read those.

Conrad (co-host)

Mark from Prairie Juice Act.

Pete Chwaba (host)

You might have taken a powder when I read those, Conrad.

Let me see.

Oh my God, I did not read this.

Let's get this out of the way and then we'll go to a commercial because we were talking about skydiving earlier.

And I said, you know, there was like a three week period in my life where I was all about skydiving.

I had to try it and then there was a horrible accident and I was like, never gave it a second thought.

And Mark from Prairie to Sac says, a girl I knew in high school died in a skydiving accident.

That kind of ended any desire for me to leave a perfectly good airplane.

Yeah, really.

Unless the airplane's going down, I'm not risking it.

Uh, 608, uh, oh, this is Pamela from Lodi.

She says, uh, waiting for my husband to ask me how much I spent on the grandkids.

That's her biggest stressor.

Our buddy John in the 608 says, hi, Peter and Conrad.

The shopping is done.

I can't think of a single reason to feel stressed about Christmas.

Boy, that's the goal, John.

No question about that.

Conrad (co-host)

You know, there is some stress.

He spilt my name wrong

Pete Chwaba (host)

again.

So

Conrad (co-host)

that stresses me way out.

You know, it's not with a C. It's with a K.

Pete Chwaba (host)

But you didn't have to.

Nobody would know that.

Like nobody listening would go, let's sound like he read that with a K. I know.

And then I think we got, I wanted to do this follow-up from Rachel in Milwaukee.

She says, isn't it crazy?

Thanks, boys, because we addressed Rachel's concern earlier.

All right, we're coming back.

It's Peach Wabba at

Conrad (co-host)

Nightlight.

Pete Schwabba (host)

This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba, I am Pete Schwabba, and it is great to have you here tonight, folks.

We're broadcasting statewide from beautiful downtown Green Bay, Conrad Krieger on the other side of the glass in the warm room.

Conrad Krieger (producer)

Yeah, like you said, it's kind of like

Pete Schwabba (host)

the sideline for you.

It is.

It's like...

I feel like a quarterback.

I get done and I go over there in the break to get warm and then I come back out here, makes it doable.

However- I got the long coat for you over here too.

Put that over right.

But we've got our pal Dan Marcus doing a solid showing up with a space heater.

Conrad Krieger (producer)

I mean that's pretty

Pete Schwabba (host)

cool.

Very cool.

I got nothing but good things to say about Dan.

All right, so our question of the night is, what stresses you out the most about the holidays?

We are working our way through texts, and I have to preface that last text I read from Rachel.

We answered her question because she was mad at Sidney Politics slash Frankenstein.

Well, she's upset with his dad because he scheduled a back procedure, which could be a massage.

An adjustment from a chiropractor.

It could be an elect... It could be a...

What do they call that, elective surgery or procedure?

And we just said, we think Sydney's dad deserves a talking to.

Sydney's a good guy, and Rachel's a good guy too.

We've got, where are we?

John Murray from Madison says, what's the, wait a minute.

What's the point?

Most of us have a conversation at work about the stress of the holiday season and then come up with a stress point to fixate on.

Not cool.

There is almost always a little something in my life that feels like a hot mess for a minute.

Stressing over it never solves or helps.

So, he continues, also eating and drinking a lot for a week is pretty damn satisfying.

I say no stress there.

John always crushes his texts.

Yeah, he does.

And it's true, you can't control, like when you're nervous or anxious about something, that doesn't fix it.

It's wasted energy, but that's easier said than done.

That's intellectualizing an emotion, which is almost impossible.

Monica from Mount Horrib says, okay, heard the question now.

What stresses me out is acting like I am looking forward to the holidays, the hype that doesn't live up to the end result and feeling bad about myself because I've been brainwashed to believe I should enjoy it, but don't.

Sorry.

Bah humbug.

Monica, do you watch a Christmas Carol and cheer for the ghosts?

I'm teasing.

I enjoy Monica's texts and that's very funny.

And I bet deep down, somewhere in Monica's soul, she likes Christmas, so.

Jewel from Cross Plains.

Where's Cross Plains Conrad?

You know where that is?

Cross Plains.

It's in

Conrad Krieger (producer)

the cross

Pete Schwabba (host)

section of a

Conrad Krieger (producer)

plane.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Over the planes, yeah.

Not P-L-A-N-E-S.

Jewel says debating the existence of Santa Claus with a fourth grader.

Also, Pete, you're not that old.

Area codes mean nothing in the cellular telephone era.

Come on.

I know, but it's like that's how you, when I make the mistake and say, you know,

like so-and-so in Madison from the 262, it makes it sound like I'm the one that thinks that area code is Madison's area code.

So I'm trying to prove my intellect, my intellect adunce.

There you go.

You nailed it.

My intelligence, by correcting myself, Joel, but you're absolutely right.

Nobody has a, everybody has cell phones.

I have an 818 area code, so.

Conrad Krieger (producer)

Cross planes is near Madison.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Close to Madison, so.

The Burbs, baby.

John Murray.

From Madison, which is the 608 jewel.

Thank you very much John says do you hear everyone complaining about taking a vacation from work with the family?

We live in a warped society.

We really do John continues and says everything is a hassle except going to work and Continues again Orlando is the creepiest city I've ever visited I Did stand up there years ago I Remember thinking it was clean.

I don't remember much about Orlando

But John says a million strip clubs bring your own beer juice bars yikes That's got a lot to say today Christmas in Vegas Christmas in Vegas that he says, you know some relief after a Disney day black Melissa control your man.

Do you feel the same way?

Let us know rich from Wisconsin Rapids.

That is the 715.

Why are there less civic media programs on WFHR?

97.5 just

Okay.

Well, there's changes coming, Rich.

Hang in there, buddy.

I think you'll be happy.

Oh, yeah.

A few changes taking place here at Civic Media, but all positive stuff.

But thank you for the text, Rich.

Appreciate it.

And finally, John Murray says, okay, now I'm stressed, Conrad, thanks a lot.

Oh, nice going, Con.

Well, no, now we shouldn't be, because he spelled it right.

I know, but he's our friend.

You know what, John, if it makes you feel better, Con spells your name, J-O-N, without the H.

Conrad Krieger (producer)

Yeah, you know, there's no,

Pete Schwabba (host)

there's no

Conrad Krieger (producer)

need for an

Pete Schwabba (host)

H. No need for H. This is interesting.

So we're talking about stress at the holidays.

But I saw this, this was in USA today.

It was a study published in Psychological Science.

And it's the top 10 life decisions people stress over most, not just necessarily the holidays, but whether to accept a new job or not.

That's a good one.

Because you might have a job that's like, this is pretty good.

That's better if it works out.

Then to use your boss's reference, that gets awkward.

Whether to quit your job without an alternative gig.

I'm just from the generation that you don't do that.

That's way too

Conrad Krieger (producer)

stressful.

You don't quit a job before you have, I know it, that's just terrible.

Pete Schwabba (host)

No.

You wait till you get that job, then you leave your previous employer in the lurch.

Conrad Krieger (producer)

I'm

Pete Schwabba (host)

kidding.

whether to invest money.

You know, I'm not a financial guy.

I've made mistakes.

I've had money, lost money, whatever.

But I will say investing money, the safest thing seems like land.

Cause at least you own, like if you buy property in America, you own part of what was once the greatest country in the world.

No, but you own something, not just like, it's not like on the stock market.

You know you do it, but it freaks you out

Conrad Krieger (producer)

a little bit.

I I think I mean that's that's good, but what about owning saw books?

Pete Schwabba (host)

So I'll invest in your pocket

Conrad Krieger (producer)

invest.

What's wrong with that?

But old saw books

Pete Schwabba (host)

They're gonna be

Conrad Krieger (producer)

worth ten dollars.

They're gonna be worth war

Pete Schwabba (host)

you invest in old money slang terms And mulch all right when we come back we're talking Christmas in Hayward with photographer Chris Nets That's next on nightlight with peach wabba on the civic media radio network

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you

Announcer

Welcome

Pete

back.

All right.

We are having some fun tonight, folks.

Rob Thomas was here.

Mace Michaels was here.

Been reading a lot of your great texts about our question of the night, which is, what stresses you out the most?

About the holidays, you still have time to get an answer in, if you like.

And I will read it on the radio.

Right now, it is my pleasure to welcome someone from one of the most beautiful areas of our state, especially this time of year, Hayward, Wisconsin.

It's just a beautiful city.

And it's one of those picturesque places where you feel like they should shoot a movie.

And we can talk about all of that with our next guest, who just happens to be a photographer.

And this is his first time on Night Light.

So it is my pleasure to welcome Mr.

James Nets.

Hi, James.

Pete, how are you?

James Nets

Thanks for having us.

Pete

Oh, yeah, my pleasure.

So, I have you on here to talk about Christmas in Hayward, which is great.

You're also a photographer.

So, are you a photographer that takes pictures of Hayward?

Is that a side business or is what you do?

Are you on the Chamber of Commerce?

How do those two things tie in?

James Nets

Well, that's a lot of questions to answer I am a if you could do it all

Pete

in less than 10 words We'll let you get on with your evening.

James Nets

No, I don't know about that Pete, but I am a professional photographer videographer I've been in downtown Hayward for a little over 15 years now Yes, I take pictures a lot of pictures of Hayward a lot of wildlife Landscape that kind of thing we have a storefront on 2nd Street

And I'm also the president of the downtown Hayward Bit.

Bit is business improvement district.

Pete

Nice.

Wow.

Okay.

So we've got a lot to talk about here.

This looks like such a fun, and I would say event.

It's not really an event because you guys start in late November and you have activities all the way up until Christmas, basically.

It's interesting.

I live in the Marinette area.

James and I, Marinette, also known to me as Christmas City, USA.

But Hayward is, Marinette's a small town.

Hayward is just small enough where you have that movie feel.

And you can have caroling and hot chocolate.

And is this the kind of thing where everybody in the town participates?

James Nets

It is all the businesses get together and Hallmark has nothing on a work during Christmas.

It

Pete

seems like

James Nets

it and we To be clear we actually start at the end of October and go all the way up through just before Christmas.

So

Pete

oh wow Okay, well, let's talk about some of the stuff you guys offer and I won't go back to November because that's behind us but

On the 19th, you have, this is so fun.

You guys, it's just this poster, you've branded everything so beautifully.

Like you just say it and people know you can picture it.

And on the 19th, you have a Charlie Brown skating party, which makes everybody just wanna be part of that, right?

I mean, you think of the cartoon and you wanna get out there, tell us about the Charlie Brown skating party.

James Nets

Well, that happened, that's gonna be happening, I believe tomorrow.

Pete

Yeah.

James Nets

Friday and that is in downtown Hayward.

It's mainly for the little ones to be skating.

Pete

Do you skate, James?

James Nets

You know, I haven't for a number of years, but I was quite the speed skater in Milwaukee back in the day.

Really?

Pete

Is that right?

Did you like square off against Dan Jansen or?

James Nets

Don't I wish.

You know.

Back then, I did pretty good.

Nice.

Every year, I really want to get back into it, so I love skating.

Pete

Oh, that's awesome, James.

All right, so tell us how did this whole, this month or two month-long Christmas celebration start in Hayward?

James Nets

Yeah, it started a number of years ago.

It was called the Lure of Lights, and a few downtown Hayward businesses got together, and they, every year,

end of October, they would light up all the buildings in downtown Hayward.

And the businesses would have different events.

I think they used to even do, if my memory serves me well, used to do like wiener dog races or something like that in town.

So there was a lot of different activities in parades and that kind of thing.

And then Billy Joe Saban from Angler's Bar and Grill in downtown Hayward took over the Christmas and took over the lure of lights and named it Christmas and Hayward.

And she just absolutely loves Christmas and the whole atmosphere, if you will, around Christmas and really has been doing an amazing job getting together all the different activities.

Pete

That's so fun.

Now, let me ask you this.

It sounds like, you know, Hayward sounds like just small enough of a town where most of the people probably know each other or faces.

Do you get tourists?

Do you want tourists to come to Christmas in Hayward if they're looking for that picturesque kind of experience?

James Nets

Absolutely.

What's interesting about the Christmas in Hayward is it really is a blend

of a lot of local folks come in for the different activities.

But you also have a very vast tourism industry in Hayward, and we depend upon tourism tremendously in the area.

And it's neat to see tourists come in and stay in our different establishments, but also

A lot of folks have lake homes in the area and that kind of thing and looking for things to do to come and to come to downtown for.

Pete

Okay.

That's so cool.

All right.

On Friday, I'm sorry, on Saturday, December 20th, you have a hot chocolate crawl

James Nets

in a gingerbread

Pete

house judging.

This is just way too folksy and fun down home.

This is amazing.

Tell us about

James Nets

that.

The hot chocolate crawl, my business is going to be part of that as well.

There's a competition where you go around to the different businesses and sample all the different hot cocoa recipes.

And I got to tell you, they're pretty darn good.

I have not won the prestigious award of winning that contest, but I have sampled some and it's pretty amazing.

People come from all over for that

Pete

So how I know I know that I remember my cousins from Chicago would always go up to Hayward we went up to the Eagle River area, but they loved Hayward and It just it I think it speaks to the beauty of the area.

That's that back in the day That was like an eight-hour drive from Chicago, but people didn't care They just wanted to get there and how is it changed over the years?

Are there enough hotel rooms for people or is it mostly a cottage sort of industry?

James Nets

No, there's a lot of hotel rooms.

In fact, we've got a lot that some of the hotels in the area are expanding.

That the only time that I caution anybody about, you know, being able to stay anywhere in Hayward is, you know, during the Berkey, right?

That really fills up the area.

But now we have plenty of area hotels to stay in.

Pete

So we just talked about the Berkey a couple nights ago.

Sean Connelly was here.

You know, Sean.

Okay, I do.

Do you guys get along?

James Nets

We do.

I hope so.

He kind of

Pete

badmouthed you the whole time he was here.

No,

James Nets

that's good.

I don't blame him.

I don't blame him at all.

No, it is funny that we bring that up.

We've been doing the photography and video for the Berkey for 12 years now.

Pete

Wow.

James Nets

So yeah, so I know the Berkey well, and I know Sean.

Pete

Do you take part in the cross country skiing?

Are you part of that?

James Nets

the skiing itself?

No, we're too busy doing the photo and the video.

Pete

That's great.

All right, so tell people a little bit about your business, James.

Where can they find out more information about your photography business or Christmas in Hayward?

James Nets

So great question.

Let's start with Christmas in Hayward.

There is a website and social media site for Christmas in Hayward.

I'm sure with...

and just go out to Facebook and look it up, search it.

And then also on our bid website, you can find a calendar of events and then also the particulars and the information about all the activities that are going on in Hayward, but also for Christmas in Hayward specifically as well.

And that's downtown Hayward.

uh wi.com okay downtown hayward wi

And

Pete

go there and check out the event schedule folks because there's so much going on most of it this year is past But they've got events tomorrow night.

I'm sorry Friday night the Charlie Brown skating party December 20th a hot chocolate crawl and gingerbread house judging and every Saturday fire pit and s'mores This just sounds like like it sounds like a hallmark movie James You guys also I love this because I was just talking to Rob Thomas about how I'm just so over the ugly sweater.

It's the ugly sweater events are everywhere

But you have a run like you're taking it to another level which I find fascinating

James Nets

We do And it's it's pretty fun this year.

In fact, we were supposed to have the ugly sweater Run the 5k run last Saturday, but because of

Announcer

whether

James Nets

that was 15 below zero without windshield We decided that we would probably not

in danger folks and doing that on a last Saturday.

So we've actually rescheduled everything for last Saturday in combination with what we're doing this weekend as well.

So

Pete

that's

James Nets

fantastic.

We've got the ugly sweater run which starts at 10.

And then the horse drawn sleigh rides are going on.

The bid is doing or sponsoring the carols for Christmas.

So we've got a few different groups walking around and doing their caroling.

And then that's going to be judged at the lot.

The lot is on the corner of Kansas and third.

So yours truly will be doing some DJ work over there.

playing some Christmasy music and kind of keeping everything festive as well, but Ariana Johnson one of our superstar Entrepreneurs, which her husband own a few businesses in town now She owns the lot and they're gonna have food trucks over there and Different vendors kind of a little Christmas village if you will

That's so great.

Pete

It just sounds like a blast, James.

I hope the event or the events just go swimmingly.

And I have to ask you, are you a lifelong native of Hayward?

James Nets

I am not.

I wish I was.

I'm kind of done a circle tour.

Milwaukee, UP of Michigan, Twin Cities.

And now I have dual residency in Hayward and

Uh, the twin cities yet,

Pete

but no, you need his citizenship to go.

That's great.

Um, before we let you get out of here, I ask a lot of my guests this, are you binge watching anything you could recommend?

James Nets

Oh my God.

You know, I wish I could.

Um, I, we work a lot of hours nonstop.

Um, you know, some of my, uh, I guess my most recent.

show that I really love is Landman.

Pete

Yeah.

James Nets

That's a great, great show.

Pete

That's a great recommendation.

James, thanks so much for your time tonight.

Have a great time this weekend.

Dance or skating like Charlie Brown or watching the kids skate like Charlie Brown and I hope everything is a blast.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays.

James Nets

Merry Christmas to you and thanks again and hope to see everybody up in A-word.

Pete

Check it out folks.

That's James Nets and

He'll take your picture too while you're up there because these are photographers.

So check out Hayward, Wisconsin, an absolutely beautiful place.

We are coming back next to finish up with some of your texts and wrap this thing up.

It's Beach Wabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

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Network.

Conrad (Producer)

Welcome

Pete Schwabba

back.

Tomorrow night on Nightlight.

We have another great show lined up.

Matt Doherty will be here to talk World Snowshoes.

Is it the World Snowshoe Championship?

And it's in Oshkosh, folks.

So do not go to sleep in the Fox Valley, my friends.

Oshkosh is the host.

It's going to be fun.

He is the director of North Country Sports.

Matt Doherty will be here at James Runde, a Madison-based filmmaker and musician.

We'll make the popcorn pick of the week.

It's going to be a really fun show.

I'd like to thank all my guests tonight.

Mace Michaels.

Great to meet Mace.

Rob Thomas was here in hour number two and James Nets from Christmas in Hayward.

Sounds like a really fun event.

Thank you for all your texts and calls.

We got a few texts to get through here.

Steady Eddie.

Oh, I love Steady Eddie.

You ever get that like feeling when...

Steady Eddie sends a text and you go, wow, that's like a book.

I cannot wait to read.

Seriously, like he puts in a lot of our texture too, but Steady Eddie always comes in under the wire towards the end of the show.

He says, Pete, the thing that stresses me out the most during this week before Christmas is when a certain radio personality whose name shall remain nameless, but his initials are P-E-T-E-S-H-W-A-B-A, reminds me of how much stress I'm feeling with his nightlight question of,

the day.

Thanks, Schwabba.

A whole bunch of fun emojis.

I don't get emojis like this on my phone.

He's got Christmas trees and carolers and people crying.

He says, thanks, Schwabba.

I'm experiencing a silent Christmas scream.

I'll be okay, Pete.

I think I just need to take it easy and eat some treats.

One, eggnog ice cream.

Two, Hershey kiss.

Three, breathe and relax.

Four, rinse with a cappuccino and repeat.

Sounds like steady.

He's having a great holiday season.

Co-Host/Contributor

You know,

Pete Schwabba

he says happy holiday steady.

Co-Host/Contributor

Thank you, buddy.

Happy holidays to you too.

Speaking of Hershey's kiss, I don't know if you remember this.

Do you remember the they don't they no longer make it anymore, but it used

Pete Schwabba

to be his kisses.

Co-Host/Contributor

No, no, they make the Hershey's kisses still.

But there was a variation of it.

And I remember it was one of my favorite things that I get in my stocking.

It was the Hershey's kiss.

And they had a chocolate coating over it.

Yeah, I remember that.

Do you remember like it was like a hard coating or whatever?

But they don't make them anymore.

Pete Schwabba

It's not a coating.

It's like a crunch over the chocolate.

Co-Host/Contributor

Yeah,

Pete Schwabba

it's like an M&M.

Co-Host/Contributor

Yeah.

Pete Schwabba

Yeah, I do kind of remember that.

Co-Host/Contributor

So it was just like a TikTok that came up on my feed and it said discontinued Christmas treats.

And that one was first.

I was like, I totally just...

out of my mind for so many years and it just came back.

I was like, that is one of the best Christmas treats I had.

Pete Schwabba

I don't, I remember putting pounds of Hershey's kisses in my mouth and just letting it melt when I was a kid.

I love that.

Co-Host/Contributor

I do that with M&Ms.

Pete Schwabba

Yeah, I mean it was the same way in the crunch part melts off Kelly wise carver who I believe is involved with Christmas and Hayward was on the stream my mr. Comment She says tell us about the ugly sweater run and Christmas village at the lot which James did yes, he did not miss a beat Kelly says thanks so much Thank You Kelly for listening, and I hope you have fun up there in Hayward this weekend and leading up to Christmas So we've got these other here's what I don't understand like this this list about

the best cities for Christmas.

I guess I'm more, and I said I liked Christmas in LA mostly because it was, you know, my family was there.

It was just my own little family.

And that's fun too at Christmas.

Like the extended family is fun, but we had a blast in LA and our Christmases, but I wouldn't put LA high up on the Christmas.

Like I'm more of a traditionalist, and I think there should be more upper Midwest cities on this list.

Atlanta was number one, Orlando four, Vegas five, San Francisco and Seattle, at least those are old cities and probably have a lot of tradition.

The Vegas, Orlando and Atlanta thing, I don't.

And Atlanta's a great, they're all great cities.

I mean, I don't, I don't know if they're all great cities.

Atlanta's a wonderful town.

But New Orleans is number nine.

I need some greens,

Co-Host/Contributor

some evergreen, some Christmas trees.

You know, I guess we haven't, I mean, you experienced a kind of an LA, but I don't think I've experienced a Christmas like that.

Yeah side of I think I did once but

Pete Schwabba

I don't

Co-Host/Contributor

remember it really but I've always just had Christmas in Cold winter areas, so it's like kind of the thing that Resonates with me more than if I had somewhere where these people have had it all the time where it's like, you know going outside You can wear shorts and a t-shirt

Pete Schwabba

Yeah, I mean most of our Christmas is even when we lived on the West Coast We would come back here, but the ones we didn't we enjoyed but like I feel like Christmas cities if you're

voting best Christmas cities.

It should be towns where there are pine trees close by or snow.

Yeah.

You know, not necessarily not to say you can't enjoy Christmas other places, but I was surprised that none of those cities made this list.

Co-Host/Contributor

Well, you know, they're not going to have chestnuts roasting on open fire there.

Well, you could have.

It's

Pete Schwabba

just going to be too

Co-Host/Contributor

warm, though, you know,

Pete Schwabba

it's going to be true to warm, but you are roasting them on an open fire and they are chestnuts.

You might have to order them and pay 40 bucks for shipping and handling, but.

You'll get

Co-Host/Contributor

them.

The state tax.

The state tax, that's right.

Not international shipping, but the state tax is

Pete Schwabba

done.

Exactly.

So anyway, I'm excited on Friday, folks.

This is just a little sneak peek.

The Bears and the Packers square off again, the oldest rivalry, I think not just in the NFL, but in pro sports.

Oh yeah, it's because the NFL is so old, so it's gotta be, right?

One of the other

Co-Host/Contributor

ones is Boston and Los Angeles.

basketball but

Pete Schwabba

basketball and the Yankees and Red Sox of course in baseball but the Bears Packers Part two is this Saturday night and on Friday we are gonna have it'll this will be a fun little bear packer talk Conrad Parker Parker Olson and Greg Anderson will be here from make the call yes Dom who has produced me before when I've been in Madison and produces John and Gordy

is also a bear fan like me, so it'll be three against two, but I think that'll be a fun

Co-Host/Contributor

discussion.

It'll be so

Pete Schwabba

fun.

It's gonna be a lot of

Co-Host/Contributor

fun.

Actually, on Make the Call, Dom is joining as well.

Yeah,

Pete Schwabba

I didn't get that invitation.

That's okay.

All right, folks, we've had a lot of fun here tonight.

We'll be back to do it all over again tomorrow.

Love that you guys are part of the show.

Thank you for listening.

Thank you for your text.

We'll see you tomorrow night.

On behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Chihuahua saying good night,

Conrad (Producer)

Wisconsin.

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