Cherry Pies and Echoes: A Night of Laughs and Tunes (Hour 2)

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Cherry Pies and Echoes: A Night of Laughs and Tunes (Hour 2)

Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Fri Nov 7, 2025

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Pete Schwaba

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Pete Schwaba

Light, ladies and gentlemen.

Hello.

Hello, Wisconsin.

I'm Pete Schwaba.

Welcome to Nightlight.

Got a great show for you tonight.

And it is an absolutely beautiful evening here in Wisconsin.

It is rainy and chilly and overcast, and it feels like Thanksgiving is in the air.

So if we can't have warm weather, at least we can fantasize about holidays that are right around the corner.

And that's what it feels like today.

Kind of a chilly day, not a bad day to sit home or...

Bad night to sit home and watch a movie listen to the radio Hopefully we will be able to entertain you here for a couple hours before you officially start your weekend when we officially start ours Happy Friday.

I think Conrad.

How are you?

I'm

Conrad

doing good.

Pete Schwaba

Yeah,

Conrad

you know I went to that cell place that you know you that we talked about yesterday for My

Pete Schwaba

sandwich look like it was in a food fight.

Conrad

I looked at it.

It looks spectacular.

They did a great job this time.

I think they hurt us

Pete Schwaba

Really?

No, I know you're joking, but you know what's interesting is the person who made my sub, I saw them next door at Gelato at the Rise and Grind.

So, you know, she might have seen me in here and tuned in and thought, oh my God, he's talking about

Conrad

me.

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I

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made a terrible sandwich.

It looked like a crime scene.

Conrad

So you

Pete Schwaba

ate there and it was good?

It was good.

Conrad

Yeah, they have good

Pete Schwaba

sandwiches.

Conrad

I mean, it's not like... It was just a basic, you know, provolone and ham with some of the works on it, but...

Pete Schwaba

Well, a basic, I think, would be just provolone ham.

Just bread.

If you accentuate and get the work, what are the works?

Well, the works for me is lettuce,

Conrad

tomato, onion.

Pete Schwaba

That's a

Conrad

work.

Cucumbers and pickles.

OK.

Pete Schwaba

That's a delicious

Conrad

stuff.

But no mayo.

No mayo?

Wow.

OK.

It upsets my stomach too much.

And it's just too, I don't know, slimy on it, if it makes sense.

I don't know.

Sure,

Pete Schwaba

that sounds good.

I do notice you're rocking the shorts tonight.

Conrad

It's a little cold.

I

Pete Schwaba

just said it's a beautiful blustery night here in Wisconsin, but you're that, you're winter shorts guy.

Conrad

Well, actually, I, you know, I went to work out a little bit ago.

And I spilled half of the water I had on my pants.

I thought you were a little underdressed.

I'm like, what is with this?

They're kind of air drying in my car.

That's cold.

Very

Pete Schwaba

good.

That's awesome.

So what did you do?

Did you do you blast your quads or what happened over there at the gym today?

Conrad

Yeah, I did yeah, I did that did the quads.

No, I did it was a bicep and back day

Pete Schwaba

All right, so you do a lot of people do that they break it down How often can you work the same muscle in a given week?

Conrad

Well, so I do two two of the days of the week are like upper and then lower and then I split it down to

like back and by today and then.

Pete Schwaba

Okay.

Yeah.

So you'll do the same muscle twice within a week.

That's okay to do.

Conrad

Yeah, but nothing like it's like what it comes down to is like four exercises per per muscle.

Yeah.

Pete Schwaba

A week.

Yeah.

Okay.

So if you do biceps, you do two bicep exercises on Tuesday and two on Sunday, you're okay.

Conrad

Yeah.

Pete Schwaba

Okay.

Yeah, I realize I'm getting my health information from

Conrad

a

Pete Schwaba

radio.

But no, I am curious about this because I was told once a week and then you should let your muscles heal.

But then my doctor said, well, try lifting weights twice a week if you don't feel like walking as much.

Conrad

You know, there's something I wanted to talk about today.

And it's getting caught off guard and having to speak.

And something just dumb comes out of your mouth today that I scanned.

I scanned into the gym.

OK.

Yeah.

And the guy goes, thanks, Conrad.

And I go, thanks.

I'm like.

I just keep walking like what did I just thank him for?

Doing his job.

I don't know what I was thinking of for And then I taking your car.

He's like a first responder.

Come on.

I think

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those

Conrad

guys I guess it's just why can't I've been like hey?

How's your day going or something like that?

Thanks, thanks

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is not horrible.

That's not a bad He is telling you to have a good workout.

I

Conrad

Did he did ask me one time.

He's like hey Conrad.

How's it going?

I so I just said thanks.

Thanks.

I did say that once like I just keep

Like my headphones are on and then you see yeah, so Just and then I walk and I'm like stupid.

Pete Schwaba

No, there's a great Brian Regan joke where he's like the guy drops you off the airport and cab drivers and say yeah, I have a good flight I go you too It's just a re-exactly

Conrad

I did that on my flights actually on my flight back from

Chicago, the guy goes, have a good flight.

And I say, thanks, thanks you too.

And I just keep walking.

I'm like, why do I do this?

Pete Schwaba

But everybody, they hear it all the time, I'm sure, because it's just a reflex.

Conrad

Take care.

Take luck.

Yeah.

So we should find that.

Maybe I should think about what comes out of my mouth before you know.

Think

Pete Schwaba

before you

Conrad

speak.

That's just a perfect lesson.

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I know the guy at my gym always has a quip for me, like a funny.

Conrad

Oh,

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nice.

How you doing today?

Better than yesterday.

Okay, you don't have to elaborate that's that's enough I

Conrad

don't need

Pete Schwaba

to know what happened yesterday I do maybe I do maybe I don't maybe give me something to talk about in the air But maybe it's gonna be three hours of my life if I ask him to follow up So

Conrad

you just never

Pete Schwaba

know you got a kind of it's like in the moment you have to gauge what you're in for my thing is like You know, how's it going good?

I'm done that I hate being I love being done at the gym and walking to my car That's the best part good.

You know see you later.

Yeah, yeah

So I am very excited folks this coming out this weekend is predator badlands reviewing Insanely at like I'm gonna look it up again yesterday.

It was like at 97% and for a scary thriller To be pulling that kind of score on rotten tomatoes is pretty damn impressive predator badlands the the franchise has totally turned around Oh now it's at 87

But audience is 96%.

So that's pretty good.

This Dan Trachtenberg, we talked about him last night with Mike, with Matt Miller when he was here.

He has turned the franchise around because he made, he directed Prey in 2022, which was like the predator monsters showing up pre-historically a little bit.

I think it was prehistoric or it was many years ago.

And then there was this animated film that came out this year and now there's this and they're all reviewing really well.

So I'm excited.

That's probably what I will check out this weekend.

You know, I was driving home last night.

You ever get this guy?

It's always got a pickup truck too, which I'm not anti pickup truck.

I'm kind of in the market for one.

I would buy a pickup truck if they weren't so damn expensive.

But this guy couldn't, he was tailgating me while I was going to the freeway last night when I left here.

And then he gets in the other lane and that guy's going slower than me.

and this guy's pissed and you could tell he's got somewhere to be and his 2009 Chevy pickup truck someone needed to borrow it for a dump run I don't know what the I don't know what kind of hurry this guy could have been in but he's then he's riding this guy and finally that guy slowed down probably because he was pissed and I passed him then he came around and passed that guy on the right and he revved it that's the that's the sign when you know someone's really pissed off is when they

gun it and they do like 40 it's like you got around the guy neither one of us was gonna fall for your shenanigans but he gunned it man he like really late and he could have hurt someone it's like he just took off

Conrad

you know my favorite thing about people you know riding uh riding you and it's just like they'll get on you and then they go to the other lane the guy's not going that much faster than you right

Pete Schwaba

so he's just like stuck it I love that it's so funny

It's hilarious and it's like and that happened to me tonight.

I get cut off like every day I'm so done with this drive and the guy sometimes They'll come around you and they almost clip you like yeah, it's like they're trying to prove a point or something It's like well if we both end up in the hospital or our cars end up in the shop.

What did you really prove more on?

Hey, I got good news out tonight.

Okay, I did that the Hollywood beats by the way folks I don't know how closely listen to the Hollywood beats.

I do them every day here my computer

Took a powder today, and I I mean it's working, but I forgot to transfer the beats to this computer So we're gonna have the same beats throughout the weekend, but I have they were really funny too like the stuff I wrote today and one of them was giving props to Kim Kardashian because her show all's fair

was getting a zero on Rotten Tomatoes.

And people are calling it the Toronto Sun called it the worst TV show in the history of television.

The New York Times said it was existentially bad, like it is getting panned.

Well, hold on to your seats.

The show is picking up a little steam and is now up to a 6% on Rotten Tomatoes.

No longer in the category of worst show ever, just laughably bad now.

So they're working their way up.

a handsome 6%.

And listen, I wrote a movie that got like a 27% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I'm not like saying I'm the guy.

I'm just saying, you know.

Conrad

You know, I did feel bad last night, so I did write a positive review.

Oh, no, you did.

I went under my critics account on Rotten Tomatoe.

It's a secret guy.

Pete Schwaba

Oh, that's pretty sweet.

Yeah.

You like hacked into Rob Thomas' account.

Rob's like,

Conrad

I didn't

Pete Schwaba

give that movie a good review.

What's going on here?

So 6% and climbing.

Hey, without further ado, folks, it is Friday.

I hope you guys participate in Nightlight tonight.

So we are going to go to our Nightlight question of the night.

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Question.

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Conrad

Question.

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Question.

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OK, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Pete Schwaba

Domanda.

Question.

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Questions.

Pete Schwaba

What app do you use the most?

I thought of this yesterday because my phone is getting, I don't have like a ton of memory on my iPhone.

It's getting a little crowded, it's starting to slow down.

I'm probably gonna have to delete more video, but it got me thinking like, what apps could I do without?

So that's tonight's question.

What app do you use the most on your phone, your iPad, whatever?

Let me know.

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So let me know.

What do you say, Conn?

Conrad

Well, you already saw my answer on Facebook.

Oh, that was

Pete Schwaba

so lame.

It's

Conrad

not an

Pete Schwaba

app.

Conrad

That's the only thing on your phone that's not an app.

The

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Settings app.

I guess it is kind of an app.

Conrad

You know, I just go on there sometimes and just look at the serial numbers.

Mess around.

Yeah.

Yeah, I just, you

Pete Schwaba

know.

It's just a nutty Saturday

Conrad

night.

I just look at my screen time, though, if make sure the Wi-Fi's on.

Bluetooth.

I don't even know.

Mine

Pete Schwaba

is poker, and I can't log into Facebook because I have this

Conrad

other

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computer, so I'm totally strapped tonight.

Conrad

I would say my actual, my actual one is probably TikTok, I'd say.

TikTok, really?

No, no, actually, there's a game I play.

It's called Clash Royale.

Pete Schwaba

I've heard of that.

Conrad

That's what I do with poker.

I'm on that all the time.

Pete Schwaba

I'm on probably Facebook and poker.

But let us know.

I'm curious because I know people, some people are Instagram people.

And if maybe you do notes or something or Google Drive, there's no wrong answer here.

Let us know what app you use the most.

And we got a great show tonight at 635.

My pal Tim Waco will be here.

Tim is performing at Memories Ballroom.

I think it's this weekend.

I had it in the questions.

Yes, this Saturday at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington, a great venue for comedy.

And another friend of mine, Jim McHugh, has a deal with Memories Ballroom to bring a group he has called the Chicago Comedy All Stars.

Which is a little deceptive, because he books a lot of Wisconsin comics there too.

But it's just all stars.

But it's at Memories Ballroom.

Tim will be here at 6.35.

And then it is a bar band Friday night.

Terry Barr will be here.

I've heard the music she's bringing.

It is outstanding, folks.

You're not going to want to miss this.

And when I come back, after a very short break, I'm going to tell you where you need to go into our county to see some great movie sites.

It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

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Network.

Peach Wabba

Yes,

Conn

sir.

Peach Wabba

We got some laughs and some music tonight, folks, here on Nightlight.

Tim Waco will be here at 6.35.

Very funny stand-up comedian and Terry Barr will be here at 7.35.

Our pal Terry, who brings us new music and outstanding conversation every week, just about every week.

Conn, I think we're gonna save the movie set thing till 7.05.

Okay.

And talk a little cheese curd.

Conn

Yeah.

Peach Wabba

Because I saw that.

Up North News, I'm kind of addicted to Up North News again.

It's just a great publication.

I think Pat Krightlow, the founder of

Conn

that, I

Peach Wabba

think, yeah, Pat does a great job Up North News.

And they put a list out of best cheese curds in Wisconsin.

You and I both kind of have an issue with it.

I think we're on the same page here.

I know your second home is...

Your weekend place is Quick Trip.

So you're a fan,

Conn

so we're not attacking anything here.

Yeah, I am a huge fan of Quick Trip.

Huge fan.

You like their chicken sandwiches, correct?

I like their chicken sandwich.

You like their chicken or their cheese spuds.

Cheese

Peach Wabba

potato things, but they never have them.

Yeah.

And I go for those over the cheese curds, but all they have is cheese curds.

They are number one on this list of Up North News, so we need probably to get Pat on the

Conn

blower.

Yeah, we definitely talk about that.

We have an issue with it

Peach Wabba

No, actually, okay, this is nothing to do with up north news.

This is a poll they took

Conn

Yeah, and these are

Peach Wabba

the results.

So it's not up north.

Conn

Oh, okay.

So it's okay.

Yeah makes more

Peach Wabba

sense So quick trip was the first one they listed.

They're

Conn

not really making it one correct it but it's Turtle Lake is

Peach Wabba

They're doing

Conn

something up there quick trip in Turtle Lake has exceptional cheese curds

The seasoning and the breading is perfectly balanced as the ratio of curd to coating.

Peach Wabba

So it's not like a universal recipe?

Conn

They just do it better over there.

It's strange.

Something in the water, maybe, in Turtle

Peach Wabba

Lake?

It's something in the lake.

It's the turtles.

Yeah, then they've got Pine River Dairy in Manitowoc.

I have not heard of most of these places.

Well, any of them, really.

But you've got Pine River Dairy in Manitowoc.

Rachel's roadside bar and grill in Wittenberg.

Do you know where Wittenberg is?

Conn

I actually don't.

Peach Wabba

I have seen the sign for Wittenberg from time to time, but I couldn't tell you where I saw it.

I don't know if it's when I go to Madison or if it's around here.

Ellsworth cheese.

You know where that is?

Conn

That's in Ellsworth.

Peach Wabba

Ellsworth.

Yeah.

And they have a whole town.

It's just like the Ellsworth cheese curd.

It says they have fresh, not frozen ones that squeak in your teeth when you bite it.

Okay, now here's the issue.

This is kind of a willy-nilly list because that would indicate that those cheese curds are raw or they're not breaded and deep-fried, right?

Conn

They are if they

Peach Wabba

squeak in your teeth.

Conn

Yep.

Those are some great curds.

Those you like those.

Oh, those are my you know, I go to festival foods, you know kind of almost every week and Right when you enter they have a cheese curd table

Peach Wabba

Like for sampling.

Conn

No, I'd like you can oh

Peach Wabba

just the different cheese curds

Conn

And it's like different every week.

It's rotating, like brands.

So you just eat the curd?

Peach Wabba

Yeah.

You don't put it on a crack or anything?

I don't think I could do that.

I love it.

I can't eat straight cheese.

You

Conn

know what?

This seems

Peach Wabba

like a recipe for disaster

Conn

for me at least.

Usually I can't, but like with it being small and it goes down.

SPEAKER_??

Okay.

Peach Wabba

Do they ever have like, here's where I'm a sucker for when it comes to cheese.

Smoked Gouda.

If there's like a smoked Gouda cheese curd, if any of you know where I could get my mitts on a smoked Gouda cheese curd, I am so there.

Because that I would eat straight up cheese.

Conn

Other than that.

What if it's

Peach Wabba

squeaky though?

Wouldn't, I don't think it would be.

If it was smoked, it's drier, right?

When it's smoked?

Conn

Yeah.

Peach Wabba

I don't know.

I'm not really a cheese

Conn

aficionado.

We need to ask Terri about this.

She knows.

Oh, I bet Terri

Peach Wabba

does know.

And then there's, uh, there's, uh, Felt's Dairy and Steven's Point.

I go to Steven's Point periodically.

Their dill variety are my own personal favorite, uh, side note for reestablishing that classic squeak and pull after you get home.

The cheese master at Felt's taught us to just microwave two to three for about seven seconds.

Oh my gosh.

And that was Karen, Karen W. From the up North news.

She responded to this.

And then Henning cheese and keel.

Conn

Okay.

I don't know.

Uh, you know, I just, the quick trip to me is like, have you had other cheese curds?

Exactly.

Because that is not even close.

I'm sure

Peach Wabba

they're fine.

I'm sure they're passable.

But

Conn

I

Peach Wabba

assume they mean that the deep fried ones, you get off the rack there, you know, when you go in, but maybe they're talking about, maybe they have a different display or something.

Conn

You know, if someone comes to Wisconsin and they ask me, I really want some cheese curds.

Where should I get it?

I'm not saying quick trip.

SPEAKER_??

Yeah.

Conn

I'm saying, well, if you want something fast, you go to Culver's.

Peach Wabba

Correct.

Conn

Not Quick Trip.

Peach Wabba

Right.

And you wouldn't come to Wisconsin.

I really want to try a Wisconsin burger.

Have you been to McDonald's?

I mean, it's just kind of like, it's a strange thing.

Watching the radio on the stream tonight is our pal Dave.

He says his favorite app is iHeartRadio.

You know what?

I use that all the time, but on my TV.

Cuz I always have music going in my house.

I'm just I like to have music in the background Sometimes I put on like classical or I'll put on jazz or something But I always have some mood music at my house and I use I heart radio to do it So I'm a big I heart fan as well Dave and Dave says golf rival.

Do you know that one con?

I've played it.

Have you

Conn

yeah,

Peach Wabba

okay?

Just a golf app.

Conn

Yeah, you know, it's kind of a game.

I love golf games

Peach Wabba

video It's like it's that you can play it on your phone.

Conn

Yeah,

Peach Wabba

okay

That's kind of cool.

Conn

Yeah, download it and play it on your way home

Peach Wabba

Like everybody else driving Dave also says do you like AC DC?

Are you going to see them?

Conn

I don't

Peach Wabba

I didn't know they were Taking stage anywhere locally.

I do I mean I I'd say I like AC DC.

I like the two songs shook me all night long and back and black I Like Thunderstruck Thunderstruck's good.

They had a song called big balls.

It was a little

Dirty Deeds done dirt cheap.

That's a good one.

Yeah, they got some good tunes.

I don't know if I'd go see him though, Dave, but I do like ACDC.

Where are they playing?

Let us know.

All right.

Hey, when we come back, Tim Waco will be here.

Very funny guy who will be performing at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington.

Tim will be here in just a few minutes after the news.

Don't go anywhere, Pete.

Pete.

I'm

Conn

going to

Peach Wabba

make a beeline for the rest.

We're coming right back with Tim Waco.

It's a Bar Band Friday night.

Terry Bar will be here at 735.

You're here on a great night, folks.

What's your favorite app?

That's our question.

We're coming right back.

It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Tim Waco

Hey, this is Robbie Schultz, and you're listening to Night Light with Pete Schwabba.

Pete Schwabba

Welcome back.

That was Robbie Schultz, ladies and gentlemen.

He's been on the show before.

A fine cooker of ribs and all things meat involved.

He might put a little extra love in your ribs, Conrad.

It's opposed to your amps.

We

still haven't figured out what that means.

I don't think I want to know.

Welcome back to Nightlight, folks.

Our question of the night is, what app do you use the most?

We've got some texts we'll get to in just a little bit.

And we're going to talk about a great movie location.

There was a film shot in Dork County called A Cherry Pie Christmas.

And next Tuesday, Katie Leclerc, the lead actress in the film, will be here.

on the show, but tonight we're going to talk about some of the places they filmed in Dirk County, beautiful Dirk County.

We'll get to that in a little while, and it's Bar Band Friday Night.

Terry Barr will be here with brand new music and really fun conversation.

Right now, I'm excited to welcome a friend of mine to the show who knows a little bit about music and comedy as well.

He'll be performing at Memories Ballroom just outside of Port Washington this weekend, and he joins us now over the phone, my pal Tim Waco.

Hey, buddy.

Tim Waco

Hey, man, haven't seen you.

I've heard you in a long time.

You sound great, you guys.

Pete Schwabba

Well, thank you, Tim.

It's great to hear your voice.

And I think the last time I saw you, you did that football fundraiser for me and Marinette about maybe

Tim Waco

five years ago.

That was a blast.

I remember part of it.

Pete Schwabba

What part do you remember?

Tim Waco

When you dropped me off at the hotel.

Pete Schwabba

That was

Tim Waco

fun.

You know, that's the

Pete Schwabba

only time I get

double

doors.

Yeah.

It's the only time I get to see comics anymore is when I booked them to do a show in the town I live in, so I appreciated

Tim Waco

you making the prize.

I have a real history with what's gone through you now.

Pete Schwabba

Oh, yeah, I know you do.

Tim Waco

Yeah, we had a home in Rhineland there for many, many years.

Pete Schwabba

Oh,

Tim Waco

I didn't know that.

Yeah, every summer, Lake Thompson, some holiday acres.

Yeah, my parents started going up there actually in the 30s and 40s.

Wow.

And so we went every day, every summer.

for at least three, four weeks.

I got more trouble there than I ever did in Chicago.

I just, kids get married at 14.

It's not good.

They're driving at seven and their dad's left.

Turn left, Bobby.

Okay.

Yeah, I love to talk about radio stations.

There's a AM station, it's probably still there with Channel 12 TV, but it was WOBT to Wobbitt, which I said every time.

But we laughed and then we went home.

I think it was, our

Pete Schwabba

pal Pete Moore had a joke about small town radio stations.

Like there was only one station so they had to play everything.

It was like that was Leonard Skinner,

Tim Waco

the

Pete Schwabba

sweet home Alabama followed by J.S.

Batch.

Tim Waco

That's great.

And now a lecture by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Breed.

It's so great.

That's funny.

That's a great bet.

He's a great guy.

Great guy.

I've seen him on Facebook and he's very funny.

But yeah, things are going good.

I was out in Las Vegas the way we go.

Oh, OK.

I did Brad Garrett's club.

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Oh, yeah.

Tim Waco

How about you crush there?

I did.

Your first night wasn't so good.

I was doing shorter sets because Brad goes on, but he wasn't there a lot of the time.

Great guy.

I mean, and the club is outstanding.

And I was, I used to get tired at the end, you know, and I was doing it without cause they were short set and realized he got no ending here.

Welcome.

What's wrong with

Pete Schwabba

you?

Tim Waco

And so, so actually it was great.

It's one of the best clubs I've ever been at.

The audience is right there in front of you, but they're perfect level and they're not too low.

They're not too high.

And it's a class thing.

I also won $6,200.

Pete Schwabba

Wow playing what the ATM So it was paying off that night, that's nice

Tim Waco

The cameras are on me.

No it was we I had a great time, but yeah Yeah, I gambling man you gamble you guys gamble.

Pete Schwabba

I don't really anymore I play I have my video poker app, but I don't gamble for real money

Tim Waco

No, stay away from what I used to do.

I I have a lot of gambling I found out

I was gambling way too much.

They used to work at the Tropicana there for 12 years.

They blew it up.

There's a baseball stadium there.

So that's interesting.

That would be nice in the summer of baseball in Vegas.

But yeah, the best way to stop gambling if you're compulsive, I have ADD.

I have ADHD.

I have a high death.

And I have all these behavioral problems.

And I was gambling so much, I was losing money.

I found a way to not lose money.

You want both the listeners would know, get thrown out of the casino.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Yeah.

Tim Waco

Guaranteed you can't come back in.

No, you know, I've been thrown out of 11 casinos.

I'm not making that up

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

really

Tim Waco

never say never say to a Native American.

Well, I won't do that joke right now anyway The best way to get thrown out is you walk up to the craft table.

You have to know anything about the game of crafts up which five dice towards you, right?

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Yeah,

Tim Waco

you're supposed to do trail take them all five throw many a yell yopsy And security is there within six minutes and you just go home

Pete Schwabba

So, Tim, all right, tell us about... I want to talk... I have a lot of comedy questions for you, buddy, but I want to talk

Tim Waco

about

Pete Schwabba

Memories Ballroom a little bit in Port Washington.

Have you done this room before for

Tim Waco

Tim McHugh?

Yeah, about five times.

Yeah, Jimmy Book's great shows there.

Great guy, Roland that runs it.

It's a ballroom from, I don't know, the 30s.

Oh, nice.

They

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

have

Tim Waco

dinners, and they have shows, and it's... The crowds are great.

They sell it out all the time.

They have a great chicken and comedy.

You can't beat that.

And the chicken is good, as opposed to...

A lot of the chickens that we get today

Pete Schwabba

in

Tim Waco

the world that are more antibiotics than somebody that just came back from the army in Vietnam.

So no, I love the place.

It's fantastic.

And I'm up there with Bill Bunker.

Do you know Bill?

No, I didn't know any of the other names.

Bill Bunker's a funny guy.

He wrote a lot for Jim Gaffigan.

He wrote a lot of the stuff.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Oh, nice.

Tim Waco

And he's very, very family oriented.

He's just...

He's got a great bit about his wife, you know, he goes, she gets a little weird.

She goes, but you realize there are three cartons of milk in there and he opens the fridge.

He goes, uh, is it supposed to be three or one?

Is there an answer to this question?

So he's just got great stuff.

So it's going to be great.

I've done it a bunch, bunch of times.

Yeah.

I've been doing, uh, some clubs, some clubs, I'm doing some, a lot of corporate stuff.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

I

Tim Waco

corporate or are you like, uh, I do the condos a lot down in Florida.

They're a blast.

You can pay more in a day than you do in a month.

But I'm doing some, uh, some civic shows, you know, for some groups, you know, the corporate shows we do.

I got some good ones coming up.

Can I tell you a couple of them?

Yeah,

Pete Schwabba

absolutely.

Tim Waco

Yeah.

I'm going to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for a group called the parents of uninteresting children.

That's Tuesday, Tuesday, November 5th.

Then I go over to St.

Paul, Minnesota for the association of extremely tall Lutheran tour guides and Ludifest cookout.

My third year up there.

Let me go to Devil's Lake, North Dakota, even the Devil's Lake, haven't you?

I

Pete Schwabba

have,

Tim Waco

believe

Pete Schwabba

it or not,

Tim Waco

yeah.

Native American Drapery Association, 75th annual golf tournament and wrestling powwow.

Pete Schwabba

Oh dear, all

Tim Waco

right.

Yeah,

Pete Schwabba

that's not good.

Tim Waco

That's a bad one.

Sorry, Wisconsin business.

April 3rd, I got a good one.

What is it?

The League of Dyslexic Pharmacists.

Pharmacists?

So instead of three pills for 30 days, you take 30 pills in three days and you're done.

Pete Schwabba

Oh, I love

Tim Waco

it.

Yeah.

And I'm going up to the, uh, New England for the, you know, the daughters of the American revolution.

I'm doing the daughter of a revolving door salesman annual spinorama.

That's a big show.

And, uh, Hamilton, Ontario, great show.

It's a Canadian show for over overactive Canadians called shut the heck up.

And then I go down to Florida.

I do three shows.

once in Jacksonville for doctors without borders.

You know, that's a great group.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Yeah.

Tim Waco

And then I go to Jacksonville again, I go with doctors without border collies.

And then I go to Orlando for a dentist without teeth.

So I'm busy.

Pete Schwabba

You're on, yeah, you're on the road a lot.

It's like, so what, Tim, how do you

How do you describe your brand of comedy?

Like you're very rapid fire.

Like if people go out the memories, they're gonna, like you don't give people a chance to rest.

It's very like joke, joke, joke.

It's just great.

So is that, is that something you learn from an older comic or who influenced

Tim Waco

you?

No, it's just my excited person.

I'm better.

I just want to keep moving.

It's great.

I just keep moving.

I don't stop.

Some people tell great stories.

I don't know.

I tell stories with jokes within the story.

So there's a joke every.

three or four seconds.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Yeah.

Tim Waco

But I just I'm really good.

I tried slow down a little bit, but it doesn't work for me.

I took a class with a guy named comedy class when I was playing music out in LA and doing the records that went nowhere.

They used to keep the records and release Tim.

But with Stanley Myron Handelman, you remember him?

Pete Schwabba

No,

Tim Waco

he was on the well, he was in the Dean Martin show every

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

week.

Tim Waco

And he was managed by he was a slow talk like this from New York.

He's very, very funny.

And he would talk about going slower and slower and slower.

And then he heard my son, he goes, you are an exception.

Stanley was this great guy, a little Jewish guy with a cap, just very clever.

He said, he got in a really bad accident in LA.

He said, see the sign?

I went to see him.

I go, see him.

How are you doing, Stanley?

He goes, let me ask you a question.

If the doctor says it doesn't look good, what do I do?

And he was OK.

He made it through.

He was hysterical.

So yeah, that's how I got started.

I took a little class, but it's like comedy classes.

You can teach people how to, you can't teach them to be funny.

Pete Schwabba

Right.

Tim Waco

You can teach funny people to organize it.

Which a lot of comics

Pete Schwabba

need help with that.

You know, there's so many guys we know that are hilarious, but they can't, it's not like they can't tie their shoes, but they're not organized enough to, I don't know,

Tim Waco

go very far maybe?

Yeah, you have to, you have to keep.

So you have to have in three things to stand.

The old said, you have to have a beginning, a middle and an end.

You're set whether it's five minutes or an hour.

Unidentified Guest or Contributor

Sure.

Tim Waco

And, you know, might do some peaks and valleys, but it's not easy.

And I think one of the problems is a lot of people today are doing those, the open mic things that, you know, what do they say?

They used to, you know, we were starting comedy.

There were a 50 of us and 500 clubs.

Now they say there's 500 clubs, 500 comics and 50.

Pete Schwabba

My

Tim Waco

guest is

Pete Schwabba

Tim Waco.

He is a Chicago-based stand-up comedian.

You can see him at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington this Saturday.

It's going to be a great show.

It's a great venue.

And Tim is a Chicago-based comment.

Do you still use the guitar, Tim, to close your sets?

Tim Waco

Because that's great stuff.

I do, yeah.

I really like playing.

I'm really a bass player.

So can't bring a bass on stage.

People just stare at you.

Because the bass players are usually hiding.

And that's what we're just, but we don't even know what we're doing.

to follow the chords on the guitar.

No, I, yeah, I closed it because it's exciting and I like to play.

I really enjoy playing and singing.

So yeah, I do it at the end and it works.

Like I said, I did a couple shows in Vegas without it.

Short set and I said, no, you know what?

bring it out, then it just was, you know, that's my ending.

You got to have an ending, right, Pete?

Pete Schwabba

Absolutely.

Tim Waco

You got to have an ending.

Hey, we have a

Pete Schwabba

clip of your comedy, so we're going to play this now.

This is from your Drybar special.

I didn't know you could be clean, but now I do.

Good for you, Tim.

Oh, of course.

Here's a quick clip of Tim's Drybar special.

I hated high school because I couldn't do math.

Anybody have trouble with math?

Math-impaired people?

My brother has a PhD in symbolic logic.

That's the highest form of mathematics.

I have a blue checkbook with a picture of a coyote on it.

Both the checkbook and it's the owner are unbalanced.

I couldn't even do algebra.

Remember algebra?

A train.

There's always a train.

Remember the train?

A train.

A train leaves New York.

What the heck with the train?

I've got a rental car.

Now why does the train leave New York?

They never return.

Remember the teacher would call on you and you had no clue whatsoever.

Oh Tim, here.

Oh, we did hear.

We did.

Tim, would you like to tell the class what a parallelogram is?

Yes, if I had any friggin' idea.

I would love to tell the class.

Parallelogram, would you get two Western unions at the same time?

For three years, I thought a quadrilateral was a kind of wheelchair could only go sideways.

It was not a good school.

It was not a good school.

I don't mean anything.

SPEAKER_??

What?

Pete Schwabba

Oh, that's great stuff.

Tim will be.

Yeah,

Tim Waco

I just keep rolling.

Who's that guy?

He's pretty

Pete Schwabba

funny.

It was so fun to watch you a few years ago, because I hadn't seen you in quite a few years.

And yeah, it's just you just don't give the audience a chance to breathe.

It's a great style.

Who was your influence?

Like, when you were growing up, Tim, who did you think was funny?

Tim Waco

Boy, I remember, I used to think Steve Allen was funny.

He had a show.

Oh, yeah.

And he had times when Buddy Hackett and, of course, Karlin.

And there was so many levels of it.

I played music first, but there's so many, a lot of comics.

We're musicians, almost like Johnny Carson played the drums.

Sid Caesar was a saxophone player.

And so every time a comic was on, it wasn't easy to find them then.

They had to be on that solo bin.

There were very few shows.

Tim, we've got

Pete Schwabba

to do a really quick break, and then we'll have a few more minutes.

I want to ask you about that connection between comedy and music, too, when we come back.

We've got to do a really fast break, and then we're coming back with Tim Waco, who you can see at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington this weekend.

More to come.

It's Pete Schwabba in Night Light on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Musical Guest or Segment

You know we've got to find a way To bring some love and care here today Picket lights and picket signs

Pete Schwab

Welcome back I'm Pete Schwab but this is not like great to have you with me on this Friday I need to make a clarification here this is actually kind of funny when we came back from the news before I brought Tim on the show I Conrad was was telling him to turn a level down giving him a thumbs down as Robbie Schultz

was saying, hi, this is Robbie Schultz.

You're listening to Nightlight.

And I was not giving the thumbs down to Robbie Schultz.

We love Robbie.

He was a great guest, too.

So in case Robbie, Robbie's probably not watching.

He's a Texas guy.

Yeah.

I think he tunes in.

He could.

Yeah.

If he wants to be back on

Tim Waco

the show,

Pete Schwab

he's got to tune in.

No, love Robbie.

Tim Waco is here.

He is going to be performing at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington this Saturday night.

Great venue.

Tim, what?

How long is the show?

What do you, you got like a 45 minutes set you're going to do?

Tim Waco

Yeah, at least 45.

Yeah.

45 to 50.

And um, yeah, it'll be about 15 minutes of music at the end.

Do you still do the rental car bit?

I do.

I've expanded on it a little bit.

I love that.

I think we all had that.

Um, I'm sure I didn't have a good one.

We were out of rent cars in the days.

It's just, it's just funny.

Cause I, I said, just get the insurance.

You can do anything you want with a car like Florida and put it in gear.

You ever try that?

If like 112 slam the emergency brake on donuts, you'll be doing croissants And you know that noise when the car is on that horrible nose you started again I do that for 20 minutes when I get a rental car just to take them off and then you don't have to return the whole car I went to law school.

I went to college in Indiana.

There's a state.

They could close Wow, Mississippi with cold weather I I was I went to school to go to law school and play baseball

Pete Schwab

I

Tim Waco

ended up being a defendant and a musician, so there you go.

But yeah, music is good.

I started playing music, and you know, you ask about the comics.

We do anything just to see comics.

But you know what made me, even when I started playing music way back in the 60s, the guys that played were kind of grease balls, you know what I mean?

The rock and roll guys, the club guys, they were like, hey, hey.

And then the Beatles came on, and when I saw Hard Days Night, I realized these guys are funny and clever.

and smart in which a lot of musicians are.

So that's what got me involved with the comedy as well as the music.

Pete Schwab

Well, and comedy is musical, right?

It's all about timing.

Tim Waco

Absolutely.

Pete Schwab

Absolutely.

There's a big connection there.

You, I wasn't going to ask you, Tim.

You did this great joke about the fridge.

Do you remember that joke, the William the refrigerator, Barry?

You probably

Tim Waco

don't know

Pete Schwab

where he's been

Tim Waco

going.

No, nobody knows.

Yeah, I forget what it was.

Pete Schwab

It was something

Tim Waco

about the

Pete Schwab

big cookie year.

I don't know.

It's probably

Tim Waco

inappropriate.

Pete Schwab

So

Tim Waco

it's inappropriate.

Yeah.

Like a big cookie would you go to like a drive to and they go, would you like a big cookie with that?

Who's big cookie?

Sounds like a very strange clown.

How are,

Pete Schwab

how are.

Wisconsin audiences compared to Chicago audience.

I always say when I did stand up, Milwaukee was one of my favorite cities to work.

The crowds were outstanding.

And I just loved going there.

You've worked all over the state, all over, well, everywhere, but how are Wisconsin audiences?

Tim Waco

I think they're great.

They're great.

They're smart.

You know, it's a smart state.

Did you look at, I was looking just for fun at the, just for the people in Wisconsin, the people that are famous in all walks of life.

Wisconsin has an amazing amount of people from literature to

some sports to broadcasting.

It's just a wonderful state.

And I think that, I don't know, it's just got an interesting feel to it.

It's a, yeah, my brother went to Madison.

He got his PhD there and so did my cousin.

And it's just, I think they're a little better because Chicago audience, you can get, you can get some attitudes and some, some groups that are in there that aren't as great, but you know, with me, I just roll them over and just keep going.

But I think I never did a show in Wisconsin.

I didn't like that one club.

It was up in, uh, Germantown.

That was just incredible.

I have a video from that.

It's a VHS because if anyone wants one, I can print it, I can print it out.

It was an incredible show.

And we just, the audience at every night were, and you know, it's a lot of, because the, and the Appleton room was great.

And, you know, and they think it was set up because the rooms were set up properly.

They weren't just.

places where they only have a bar on the disco ball down and put up a laugh thing.

That's why Brad's club was so great in Vegas.

The audience was just right there at your feet and they were right there, but it was just great and makes a difference.

Pete Schwab

Aside from like Brad Garrett's club in Vegas or coming up to Wisconsin or Zaneys or wherever, do you have a favorite club that you like to work or a club you've had your best memories

Tim Waco

at?

Well, I, yeah, of course I started at Janie's way back when I left the club in Mount Prospect and the Rosemont and downtown is a weird room.

It's a great room, but it's a tunnel.

Yeah.

And, uh, I like it, but I think, uh, I like the, I like the proper can in Las Vegas.

I worked there 12 years.

The one they just blew up.

That's how good my act was.

They blew it up.

And the thing about Las Vegas audiences and I think made Wisconsin cause they don't have as many venues.

They said they're ready to have a better time in Vegas.

They forget about whatever that happened downstairs for that hour and a half.

And that's your job.

If you go over an hour and a half there, they shoot you in the head with a large pellet gun.

Do you know that people, comics in Vegas, you have to get off the stage at a certain time.

They'll tell you when Tommy Drieson worked with Frank Sinatra and Tom Drieson is one of the great, and great guys.

Pete Schwab

Yeah.

Tim Waco

He's been on the

Pete Schwab

show.

I love time.

He's great.

Tim Waco

Oh, he's the greatest guy.

In some of the older type guys, you'd just have an egg timer, because they didn't have digital watches.

Oh, fuck.

And they'd be in the middle of a joke and the timer would go, goodnight, everybody.

So yeah, I did that once.

I went over and boy, they let me have it.

Pete Schwab

Tim, we have about 45 seconds left.

I have to, I typically ask this of everyone who's on the show, what are you binge watching?

Are you watching anything on TV you could recommend?

Minx.

Oh, OK.

Tim Waco

You know, makes it on Netflix about the girl that does the Playboy magazine for women.

Oh, so I'm watching it.

Yeah, it's well worth.

It's very funny.

And we'll be doing that.

We just finished the Nobody Nobody Wants This.

That's an interesting show.

Oh, yeah.

Pete Schwab

We've had

Tim Waco

Adam Brody

Pete Schwab

on this show, too.

He's the star with Kristen Bell.

That's supposed to be a great show.

I haven't seen it yet.

Tim Waco

It's a great show.

It's a really great show.

The second season was not quite.

We're just watching.

I'm millions of things.

We are, you know, big John Oliver fans.

We never all love

Pete Schwab

him.

Yeah.

He's

Tim Waco

great.

Yeah.

So I don't, that's what I'm doing.

Of course I do.

I just stay up late and watch a becker.

He runs a becker.

It's one of the funniest shows that was ever on and it was underrated.

I do that.

And then you get the perimation, the same people and I go to bed.

Pete Schwab

Tim, knock him dead on Saturday in Port Washington.

It's so great catching up with you, buddy.

And break a leg.

Very excited.

Tim Waco

All right, buddy, hope I see you soon.

Pete Schwab

All right, same.

That's Tim Waco,

Tim Waco

folks.

Pete Schwab

Check him out at Memories Ballroom in Port Washington on Saturday.

He is kind of right.

He's what they call a banger.

Joke, joke, joke.

You just don't get the rest.

It's really funny.

Check him out this Saturday.

We are coming right back for Act 2, and we're going to talk about Dork County movie sets.

It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Peach Wildwood

This is 97.9 WGBW.

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It is nightlight with Peach Wildwood kicking off our number two here.

Having a technical issue, we will work through here momentarily as our awesome engineers get to it.

But it's great to have you with me on this Friday night.

had a great first hour too.

Tim Waco is here, Chicago based comedian who will be at Memories Ballroom on Saturday night, a great venue, an old ballroom from the 30s and they do shows there every week through the winter months and it's just really good shows booked by Jimmy McHugh and Tim will be there headlining this Saturday.

You just heard some of Tim's comedy during his

Appearance on the show and we played a clip from his dry bar special check it out this weekend great to catch up with Tim It is a bar band Friday night as well folks Terry bar will be here at 7 35 With great music as always and really fun conversation.

We love our time with Terry at 7 35 on Friday nights and if you missed our question of the night it is

What is the app you use the most?

Or what is your favorite app?

It was just some app talk.

So let us know what app you use most.

And we'll read your text in just a moment too.

It's 855-752-4842, 855-75 Civic.

Conrad said settings, which I don't, you could argue that's an app or not.

I said my poker app and probably Facebook.

Are the apps I use the most so let us know at eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic you can also text us on the app Maybe you'll say the civic media app.

I know we all like to use that.

It's a great app and Or if you're watching the radio on the stream at YouTube Facebook or

What is it X or Twitter?

Whatever you want to call it.

You could drop us a stream comment like people do from time to time Terry bar at 735 and if you also missed it we talked about the Kardashian show Kim Kardashian has a new legal drama called all's fair where she plays a lawyer who shows major cleavage very professional It's a sexy lawyer show if you will and it was getting a zero on rotten tomatoes rotten tomatoes is the gauge for how

Shows movies are critiqued and reviewed All's fair Was pulling a goose egg on rotten tomatoes until today or at least that's when I found out that they had gotten some good reviews and when I say some I Mean one it was pulling a goose egg certain publications like the Toronto Sun were calling it the worst show in TV history New York Times said it's not even laughably bad.

It's not even bad enough to be laughable

And the Guardian called it existentially bad.

So today I found out it's up to a 6% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Although it's still showing.

Let me see if I can pull this up here.

Oh, that's from 19.

Oh, there's another show called All's Fair from 1988 with George Siegel.

That's not the one I'm looking for.

But this is Kim Kardashian's baby.

She is the lead and it's up to 7%.

So All's Fair, no, that's the wrong.

Oh my God, there's a lot of shows called All's Fair.

Okay, here it is right here, Kim Kardashian show.

And we'll see what we're at here right now.

We've got, oh, it's down to 5%.

So it went up to 6% today, and now it's down to 5%, kind of a yo-yo effect.

Even the picture of Kim Kardashian on the show is this ridiculous outfit.

Showing cleavage and she's playing a lawyer So check that out if you maybe it's a laughably bad category now five percent Maybe it's not Existentially bad anymore.

It's just bad, but I don't know I will check it out at some point and report back to you guys to see if I think it's a I'm a little biased.

I'm not a huge Kim fan

But I will I will check it out and just see what I think about it and if it is laughably bad or just bad Pluribus drops today on Apple TV.

That is from the executive producer of better call Saul and breaking bad Vince Gilligan getting really good reviews and the girl who played Kim on You got to pull this up not to I can't remember her.

She played Kim Wexler on better call Saul and she is the star of this show.

She's a really good actress

And her name is Rhea Seahorn.

That's the name I was looking for.

So check that out.

That's another thing you could watch.

And Predator, we also talked about how Predator Badlands opens this weekend in theaters.

Also getting really good reviews, especially for a thriller and a movie about an alien.

That's pretty impressive.

It was pulling in the 90s.

I think now it's at like 88% on Rotten Tomatoes.

And our pal Chris Casper had some words for us.

He is not a proof.

He kind of he kind of poo pooed the whole predator badlands thing and he said yawn Hollywood needs to come up with some new ideas.

I agree Casper it is the ninth film in the franchise of predator, but they have turned it around Dan Trachtenberg started directing about five years ago four years ago and The predator films that have come out since then have been very good.

So Chris Casper also says blue sky.

That's the app he uses the most

He says their news feed is awesome.

Well done, Chris.

I agree, too.

They do have a great news feed.

And it's not toxic.

Twitter is toxic.

Regardless of which side you're following, it's like the people really attack each other.

And my issue with those apps, like X, is when people don't use their picture.

If you're going to say crazy crap and be toxic and go after people, use your name.

Don't be gutless put your picture up there You don't have to give your home address, but it's tons of bots and people that just have an avatar and a bunch of numbers It's ridiculous, but I agree about the blue sky up Chris Monica from Mount Horrib.

She's in the 608 says jigsaw puzzle and numbers clash Both free on my phone.

I was already feeling pathetic as I'm at the laundromat on a Friday night But my app usage makes me feel even more so no that should bail you out Monica that should make you feel good

You remember the laundromat before you had your phone?

I guess you could read a book.

But the good thing about the cell phone or the smartphone is it can help you kill some time for like a laundromat visit or a waiting room visit, whatever.

Monica continues and says, trying to remember when I stopped having a life.

However, I'm not at the point where I'd watch anything at Kardashian, so there's that.

So that's a W. Monica, well done, and glad you're listening.

So...

Don't feel so down.

We're glad you're with us tonight Paula Conrad's mom says my mom had Alzheimer's So I do a daily crossword puzzle and solitary to keep my mind working.

I Do that as well Paula love the crosswords and I don't know if you're like me like I'll do wordle on my phone when it comes up where I hit the numbers but I like or the mini I should say the mini crossword from the New York Times.

I'll do that But when I do an actual crossword, I like having a pen

and a hard copy of the crossword puzzle.

I don't know if you're like me, Paula.

Chris Casper again in Madison says, quick trip cheese curds are rubbery and gross.

I wouldn't even call them cheese curds.

Chris, where you been, man?

It's good to have you back in the fold.

Love when Chris Casper texts the show.

And I wouldn't, it probably depends when you get them too.

Like if you get them right out of the quick trip kitchen, maybe they taste a little better.

I don't know.

Steve from Florida says, maps is the app I use the most, maps is the app I use the most due to my job in Florida.

I heart radio and civic media is second.

There you go.

I use maps too, Steve.

But you gotta be careful, maps can steer you wrong sometimes.

I was in Minneapolis once at a film festival and I was on an overpass and the app was telling me to turn left.

And the next turn was like, I don't know, a half a mile past this overpass.

And I'm like, turn left.

The map app was obviously reading it as like an intersection.

So I turn left and I fell 20 feet.

I do another car.

It was fun.

Anna from Madison says, Pete, ACDC is coming to Madison at Camp Randall Stadium in July of 2026.

So there you go.

That's what Dave was referring to on the stream.

I probably will not go to that show.

Boy, it's amazing that ACDC.

and maybe it's not a sellout, but that is a huge venue for a band that has not been, I don't want to say relevant because they're obviously still relevant, but putting out new music, that's insane.

I mean, Springsteen does that.

I kind of thought he was the exception, you too, but there are some super bands, but I didn't know ACDC was in that category, but I bet it's a really fun show.

715, Matt says,

Pete, come on, ACDC, ride on.

Man, I gotta tell you, Matt, that does not come to mind right away.

I'm sure I've heard it.

But I honestly haven't played ACDC.

When I hear ACDC, it's what's on at the grocery store in Marinette.

So I don't know, but I've probably heard it.

Bridget in the 818 says, a TikTok is entertaining, but also very informative.

I get ideas for home, work, cooking, exercise, for everything.

Oh, that's fantastic.

And that's when you look at an app positively, because I know all the social media platforms, people are down on them and they kind of suck the life out of you sometimes.

I know there's times I look at like Facebook or, you know, X or whatever for like 30 minutes right when I wake up before I even do anything.

And if you're not careful, it can just put you in kind of a bad mood.

But Bridget in the 818 here is being positive.

She's saying,

There's some good stuff out there.

And that's true, too.

Dave Kunish on the stream says, oh, yes, there he goes, Camp Randall, July 19th, 2026.

It sounds like Anna and Dave will be at the ACDC concert, maybe tailgating in the parking lot, maybe a little couch potato reunion in the parking lot.

So there you go.

But let us know, folks, our question of the night is, what app do you use the most?

I said my poker app and Facebook Conrad made a joke and said settings.

Are you back dude?

It's still true.

So how we doing?

Get your monitor back over there.

We

Conrad

gotta do some things a little differently, but it'll...

Peach Wildwood

What do we have access to?

Do we have clips?

Do we have music?

Well, we got music.

We got music.

Not you singing.

I mean, like, do we

Conrad

have... Do you want to?

Peach Wildwood

I take that... Look, I just ran my trap for 15 minutes here.

Anything.

Yeah, if you could do a nice little aria, that would be great.

So...

Did you talk about these door county?

I have not yet.

I will say this Conrad.

We'll do that after the break.

We'll talk door county movie locations because that's really, there's some great spots on here.

The Kardashian show, Allsfair is down now a point to 5%.

What you do during

Conrad

break?

I said, what you do during break?

That's

Peach Wildwood

what I do.

Conrad

Six is too high.

I gotta leave a bad review right now.

Oh, you're saying I left the

Peach Wildwood

battery.

Wait a minute, is it 5% or was it up?

Because I thought maybe that's pluribus.

All right, we'll do all that.

We've got a lot of, we still got a lot of show coming up.

Folks, it's a Bar Band Friday night.

Terry Bar will be here at 735.

That's just 10 minutes away.

And when we come back after this really short break, a Christmas, a cherry pie Christmas was shot in Door County.

It's a movie that is going to be available.

Video on Demand, November 15th.

Katie Leclerc will be here Tuesday.

She's the lead actress in the film.

And they shot all over Dark County.

I'm going to share with you some of the locations they did.

And I'll tell you a little bit more about the movie, too, after our break.

And we will get an updated score.

Conrad will probably leave a bad review for the Kardashian show.

No, I left a good one.

I left a good one.

You see the picture on Rotten Tomatoes of her, the promo.

It's so funny that it's a legal show.

Daniel Wheeler on social media says express VPN because I'm usually off the grid.

I've used that before.

What is that again?

Conrad

It's a VPN, you know, it gets you out of...

Peach Wildwood

What does VPN stand for?

Conrad

That I don't know.

Peach Wildwood

Very personal nudity.

Conrad

Yes.

Peach Wildwood

I think you got it.

Express very personal nudity.

Get out of your clothes quickly, Daniel.

Daniel's going to be on the show Monday.

Janet on social media says Facebook, then Instagram.

Nice, Janet.

And Derek Fister, our pal from Milwaukee, says Instagram for business.

Yeah, sure it's for business.

All right, we're coming back.

We're going to talk to our county movie locations.

We'll read more of your texts.

And I've got some, maybe a comedy clip con.

I got a lot of funny clips.

I picked one out today.

I'm glad we could still use it.

It's Peach Wava Nightlight, Civic Media Radio Network.

Unidentified guest or contributor

Originally

Pete Schwabba (host)

supposed to be on the Nebraska album.

but came out on the Born in the USA album, Bruce Springsteen.

Welcome back.

This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.

I am Pete Schwabba.

We are broadcasting live statewide from beautiful downtown Green Bay, and it is beautiful, folks.

It's a blustery night.

I know it's not your stereotypical beautiful night, but we're here.

We're alive.

We're talking movies and music and comedy.

Terry Barr is on the way, and we are working through some gremlin.

Gremlin's in the studio, Conrad.

You ever heard that phrase?

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

No, but I like it.

Pete Schwabba (host)

That's what they say when things just kind of...

Go weirdly wrong.

All right, so our question of the night is, what app do you use the most?

So let us know 855-752-4842-855-75 Civic.

You can text us on the app or on the stream if you're watching the radio at X YouTube or Facebook.

And I want to talk about this movie because there was a movie.

To be honest, I'm surprised more films aren't shot in Door County.

It's one of the most beautiful parts of our state.

And maybe now with the incentives the incentive laws they just passed where you get a up to a 25% rebate Or tax incentive on movies.

Maybe they'll start filming more indoor County, but they shot this film They switched the title it used to be called a Wisconsin Christmas pie is now called a cherry pie Christmas either way there is pie involved So it's gonna be a happy holiday, but this film was shot indoor County

And the star of the film, one of the stars of the film is Kaye Leclerc.

She will be here on Nightlight next Tuesday at 6.35.

So she was here in our state in Door County filming this film.

And it says the digital release will be, it's a romantic comedy, romance themed.

And I think it's two former loves that go back to Door County and they reconnect.

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

Yeah, I watched the trailer.

Oh, you did?

Pete Schwabba (host)

Yeah.

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

Okay.

It looks interesting.

Pete Schwabba (host)

It looks fun.

Sure.

It's a nice, heartwarming holiday movie.

You can't go wrong there.

But it's going to be available on Tubi, Roku, Pluto, Vizio.

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

What the hell is Vizio?

Pete Schwabba (host)

I've heard of that.

Is that a TV

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

brand?

Yeah, I think so.

Pete Schwabba (host)

So if you buy a Vizio, you have to buy a Vizio TV to watch the movie.

That's an expensive movie.

That's a little extreme.

So they filmed it'll be interesting to see how they do this too because it is a holiday film they shot in March and April in Door County and But it's a holiday film.

So we'll see what happens the director is John Stimson Who is kind of that's kind of his wheelhouse our holiday films?

So they shot in do you have a favorite part of their County?

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

No, I really like Sturgeon Bay.

That's kind of you know The the start of the thumb.

Yeah sister Bay is really I'd say sister Bay

Pete Schwabba (host)

Yeah, Sister Bay's gorgeous.

All those bays are beautiful.

Honestly, like you got Egg Harbor, Fish Creek, Ephraim.

One of the scenes they filmed was at Anderson Dock in Ephraim.

And there's a very famous painting.

Well, not very famous, but a famous Wisconsin painting.

A Door County artist named Charles Peterson painted.

And I own this painting.

It's called Yule Titan.

And it's a painting of the pier in Ephraim.

There's a horse pulling a sled.

It's like an old-time painting.

It's just beautiful and Charles Peterson uses these great images or like ghost images in the paintings of how things used to be and how things are now great stuff I own a few of his paintings and I fell in love with his stuff years and years ago Way before I moved back to Wisconsin, but that's one of the film's locations

And then, where else here?

We've got the Sister Bay Historical Society in Sister Bay.

That is one of the scenes at the end of the film where they have a cherry pie bake-off.

Have you ever gazed into a woman's fiery eyes while baking cherry pies with her?

I

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

have not.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Well, it's gonna happen in this movie.

Okay.

Door County Coffee in Sturgeon Bay, another location.

Oh my God.

Have you been there?

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

It's

Pete Schwabba (host)

the best coffee.

Really?

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

It's so good.

It is great.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Wow, I might have to check that out.

Very nice.

Eagle Tower, the iconic Eagle Tower at Peninsula State Park at Fish Creek.

Very cool.

You got some of these places, I would imagine like a film crew or location scouts come to and they probably just literally were salivating because there's so many gorgeous.

Yeah.

Because you see that Eagle Tower, it's like we got to shoot something there.

And there is a scene where Emma and Mitch stroll down memory lane, and the Eagle Tower is in the background, and those are the two main characters.

Katie plays Emma, and I can't remember the name of the, and I'm using it.

I had everything as a mess tonight.

I don't have my computer.

I can't look up the guy's name.

But I know Katie Leclerc, because she's gonna be on the show Tuesday.

The White Gull Inn in Fish Creek.

Do you ever have breakfast there, Conrad?

No.

Gorgeous place.

Great breakfast.

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

Sounds like they have some good

Pete Schwabba (host)

breakfast.

Unbelievable.

They have a cherry French, cream cheese cherry French toast.

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

Oh my God.

It is like,

Pete Schwabba (host)

yeah.

It's so amazing.

It's outstanding.

And here's a, I love this, this location too.

Dork County trolley.

Oh, yes.

In In Harbor.

Our pal, our pal Carl Serecki.

Ooh, do you think he made it in the movie?

He I could see him having some presents on Charlie driver.

Yeah telling ghost stories to the young lovers Emma and Mitch climb aboard for a ride.

So I mean, he's their main guy, right?

Yeah, he's telling the stories.

I would love and they're making out in the

Conrad (co-host or regular contributor)

back.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Yeah Getting frisky St.

Nick's tree farm in Sturgeon Bay one of the featured vendors in the movie and a real life makers of the kissing balls in the film

I read that right.

What kind of movie is this anyway?

No, it's a very, I can't wait to see this.

It looks very sweet, like a very heartwarming movie.

And Katie Leclerc will be here on Tuesday to discuss Door County and filming and what that was like.

And I look forward to that very much.

So check out at Cherry Pie Christmas.

No longer a Wisconsin Christmas pie.

Now it's a cherry pie Christmas.

So very cool.

All right.

Terry Barr will be here after the news.

And this band, she brought Conrad tonight.

Great.

That first song, what is it?

The Raspberry Moon.

I got to look that up again.

It's such a great song.

So we'll learn more about this band as we do every week when Terry is here.

She brings outstanding music.

The driveway thrift dwellers.

Great name for a band.

We're coming back for Bar Band, Friday nights, Peach Wabbit, and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

Terry Barr (upcoming guest or contributor)

Network.

Pete (host)

So glad you're here with me.

This is one of my favorite times of the week It's when we get to talk about new music with our good pal Terry Barr and we also have really fun conversations.

She's she's just that awesome.

She's well-rounded She's what else do you say about Terry Conrad?

Conrad (co-host)

Just Wisconsin enthusiast, I feel

Pete (host)

like.

Oh, that's a great.

She is one of the co-hosts of Max Inc Radio, the award-winning Max Inc Radio, which you can hear on WMDX Saturday nights from six to nine.

And she is our Wisconsin music expert here at Nightlight.

Terry, how are you?

Terry Barr (guest)

Oh, my goodness.

Hi, Pete.

Hi, Conrad.

Hi, everyone listening.

It's great to be here on another Friday night when we always say, ah, happy Friday.

Pete (host)

Is it blustery there in Madison?

I feel like this this feels like Thanksgiving is upon us this day today.

Terry Barr (guest)

It does doesn't it?

It went from a really nice start to the day to Oh, it's starting to chill out and I don't think I like it Well,

Pete (host)

let's warm it up a little bit you're here with some great music tonight.

I just

Love these guys and I was listening on the way down as I often do when you send the music and I the one song And that dance with you I heard three times on my way down.

I love love love the song.

Tell us about the driveway dwellers

Terry Barr (guest)

You are gonna use this as a workout song, aren't you?

You're gonna possibly if I ever

So funny the driveway thrift dwellers have been around for a little while.

I first met them shortly after Tom Petty died and they hosted a huge Tom Petty tribute.

And I was kind of blown away by their sound and just their whole persona on stage was pretty incredible.

And I feel pretty fortunate to have stayed in touch with them over time.

They started in, I believe, the Milwaukee Madison area, but now they're really kind of spread across Wisconsin.

So that's always a good thing when they can keep a band together, when they are no longer in the same city.

John Knutson is one of the lead singers.

And he messaged me on Facebook to let me know, Terry, we have a new album coming out and we are so excited about it.

Would you have interest in taking a listen and sharing a couple of the songs somewhere?

And I said, I have the perfect place to share these guys.

So I'm going to start with what I would call them as far as the kind of music they usually do, more original, you know, kind of more country Americana.

And that would be the catch you on the other side song.

Okay.

Again, it's a brand new from their forthcoming album.

The album's not even out for another week or so.

The album's called High Top Van.

that's a fun I know and um let's see it comes out yeah November 14th so a little bit of time but what I like about this first song we'll listen to Pete it's traditional to me it's traditional drive the driveway thrift dwellers um you know it's a I don't know it's a little bit of Americana and rock and you know what I like to this band has been described as

country music for people who probably don't like country music.

Pete (host)

Wow, that is a great way to put it.

And I'll say, and I don't like, it's not that I dislike country.

I really like

Terry Barr (guest)

some country, but

Pete (host)

I'm not an enthusiast.

And that, that is the perfect way to describe this.

I saw on their website too, it says ripe old school country, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

And then this is a great one, Terry.

Vintage, it was like if Merle Haggard had a vintage yard sale.

It was outstanding.

So we really, I'm so happy you decided to share this on the heels of the release of the album.

I am very thrilled to have this.

So let's, Con, let's hear, catch you on the other side, compliments of Terry Barr from, this is off high top van from the driveway thrift dwellers, our band tonight, compliments of

Conrad (co-host)

Terry.

Sit down on the curb.

Wait for a car to come by and pretend it ran over our feet.

Do you want to get high?

Sit down on the dock.

Watch the sun.

Pete (host)

They have such a great... That's... Americana is just the perfect word to describe them.

It's so great.

Terry Barr (guest)

Could you hear the steel, the electric steel guitar?

Rarely do you see that in bands anymore.

Maybe, you know, older country-type bands, but I love that they have this in their band.

Pete (host)

Absolutely.

Before we get to our second song, Terry, I have

Terry Barr (guest)

to

Pete (host)

ask you a question.

Uh-oh.

Okay.

I'm ready.

Nothing crazy.

It's not going to make you cry or take you back to a bad memory or anything.

It's about cheese curds.

Up North News, Pat Crichtlow's publication, we just read today that they asked readers to say their favorite cheese curds.

And there was a quick trip on there.

Somebody voted for quick trip for cheese curds.

That's like saying your favorite burgers from McDonald's, right?

Nothing against Quick Trip.

Their food is for a gas station.

It's a, you know, a bon appetit.

But I mean, come on.

Do you have a favorite

Terry Barr (guest)

cheese

Pete (host)

curd?

Terry Barr (guest)

Well, I I have one from DuPont, which is a an actual cheese curd factory in Wapaka County.

But the interesting thing once a week, they drop off bags of cheese curds at the quick trip in Clintonville.

Now, I don't know if that I can't say that I've ever seen

other actual factory cheese curds.

I know they've got like, you know, your typical bag that you can probably buy almost anywhere at Quick Trip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is my particular favorite.

And you

Pete (host)

like, you like the ones without the breading, deep-fried, correct?

Like you like them fresh?

Terry Barr (guest)

I like both very, very much.

I love cheese curds in general.

But yeah, I love the squeaky cheese curds.

All

Pete (host)

right.

That's fantastic.

Okay, so

The other question I have to ask you is tonight's question.

Do you have an app you use more than any other

Terry Barr (guest)

app?

Pete (host)

Oh, wow.

Terry Barr (guest)

You know, I guess my favorite is Instagram.

Pete (host)

Okay.

That's a good one.

Terry Barr (guest)

And I like it just because it's so photo friendly or video friendly.

It just is a way to not have to worry so much about the words, but you put a picture or video on it and it kind of speaks for itself.

Pete (host)

Very well done.

That's one of those apps you get lost in though.

Don't you?

Oh,

Terry Barr (guest)

I can spend it out.

Yeah, the

Pete (host)

reels.

It's just insanity.

We have a text for you, Terry.

Hi, John.

John in the 608 says, Terry, bringing the heat.

Love you, Terry.

Conrad (co-host)

There

Pete (host)

you go.

You have so many fans on our show Terry and John also says why we go white cheddar cheese curds best ever

Terry Barr (guest)

Okay, that's John you're on to something for sure Mm-hmm.

Pete (host)

Can we what should we do conch?

We play this song to break and come back from it That's this up to

Terry Barr (guest)

you.

Let's do that.

Then we'll close out with Terry sure Is

Pete (host)

there anything you want to tell us about this next song Terry?

We could just wait

Terry Barr (guest)

to break

Pete (host)

Okay,

Terry Barr (guest)

because we are both

girl claiming our love of the driveway thrift dwellers.

This is fun because what you just heard is not what you're going to hear from this song.

This puts them right in that what John in the driveway thrift dwellers has described as the weird space that's between country rock and pop.

You'll see what we mean or hear what we mean.

Pete (host)

Right.

Okay.

So

Let's do that con.

We'll play it to the break and we'll come back and play it.

We'll play it out of the break as well.

This is Barban Friday night and this is the driveway thrift dwellers.

And this song is called Dance With You, correct?

Yes.

Outstanding.

Here we

Conrad (co-host)

go.

Pete Schwab (host)

It's

Terry Barr (co-host)

gonna be caught in your ears now.

You're not gonna be able to get rid of it, which I love

Pete Schwab (host)

it, you know when I write Screenplays sometimes I put music on that song makes me want to write a scene that goes with it like it's that it's just that sweet and cool and I love that.

This is a great band.

This is a

Bar Band Friday Night, folks.

I'm Pete Schwab, and this is Nightly Terrybars here, and she is just about every Friday at 7.35.

Great to have you with us here.

We've been listening to the Driveway Thrift Dwellers.

That's the name of the band.

Their new album comes out November 14th.

It's called Hightop Van, which is as cool of an album title as the name of the band.

It's just

Terry Barr (co-host)

great.

SPEAKER_??

It is.

Terry Barr (co-host)

It is.

These guys are terrific.

And if you like what you've heard with Pete and I tonight, write these dates down.

They've got album, yeah, I can say it easily.

Album release shows coming up, not until December 5th, but it's going to be in Appleton at the Beer Factory.

Again, December 5th, December 6th, they go to Linemans in Milwaukee, and then January 9th.

you know, meet you there.

Yeah.

Burrow Oak in Madison.

Conrad (producer)

Oh, nice.

Terry Barr (co-host)

Yeah, you can catch them almost anywhere anytime.

Check out their website thrift dwellers.com.

And that song that we were playing coming out of the break the dance with you song.

That one is actually streaming right now.

Okay, on the drive thrift dwellers bandcamp page.

But the one that we heard first.

Nope, you got to wait to get the album or go to one of the shows

Pete Schwab (host)

catch you on the other side.

Yeah, that's a great song.

We really appreciate you sharing this with us, just giving us a sneak peek, Terry.

And if you want to find out more information on this great band, it's just thriftwellers.com.

And there's all kinds of information there.

Chris Casper, our civic media pal, Terry says, really digging this.

You don't hear sacks on Americana country stuff very often.

That's a great point.

Terry Barr (co-host)

It was.

That was a really nice little highlight between that and the slide guitar.

Yeah, these guys are really great.

I think if you go to their live show, that will even spark your curiosity in this band more.

And

Pete Schwab (host)

they're

Terry Barr (co-host)

a rich response prior to this album.

are terrific as well.

Pete Schwab (host)

So how long have they been around?

Have they been together?

You probably already said this, but 10

Terry Barr (co-host)

years?

Well, no, we talked about I first saw them when they played a tribute show after Tom Petty passed away.

Pete Schwab (host)

Oh, yeah.

OK.

And

Terry Barr (co-host)

that's when I thought, holy cow, who are these guys?

And how can I get to know them and enjoy more of their music?

So, yeah, we've had them come on Maxsync Radio.

We've played their music.

But this is only their third album in, say, the last, I'm going to jump back and say, eight years.

Pete Schwab (host)

Oh, wow.

So

Terry Barr (co-host)

yeah.

Pete Schwab (host)

Well, they've won a

Terry Barr (co-host)

lot of Madison Area Music Association Awards and Wisconsin Area Music Industry Awards.

But I just feel like they should be known even bigger.

Pete Schwab (host)

And I

Terry Barr (co-host)

really hope something happens for them.

Pete Schwab (host)

They're great.

This has been a really fun.

session of Barbie on Friday night tonight, Terry.

Chris also says it reminds me a bit of drive-by truckers.

I don't know them.

Do you know

Terry Barr (co-host)

them?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pete Schwab (host)

So you obviously agree.

Terry Barr (co-host)

I can hear the similarity, definitely.

Yeah.

Chris, thank you.

Pete Schwab (host)

Yeah, one more thing from Casper and a few of our other listeners tonight.

Dave on the stream mentioned that ACDC is coming and then other people.

And Chris mentioned it too.

But are you an ACDC fan?

Terry Barr (co-host)

A friend already got tickets for all of us.

So, yes, we're

Pete Schwab (host)

going.

Yes, we are.

Big contingency.

Okay.

Chris also said how Dave up there posting in July of 2026.

Does he have technology?

I'm not aware of.

I don't know Casper.

Someone's ahead of Casper when it comes to technology.

They're doing okay, I think.

Chris Casper (engineer)

Wow, no kidding.

Pete Schwab (host)

Chris, thank you for all your help tonight, by the way, buddy.

One of our great engineers here at Civic Media.

Terry, thank you so much.

I will be downloading this album when it comes out on the 14th.

And I'm not kidding.

The burroke on the night sounds like a blast.

So Conrad and I'll fire up the nightlight van.

And we'll head down there with some casserole.

Chris Casper (engineer)

Oh, I love it.

I love it, Pete.

Oh, man.

Pete Schwab (host)

Have a

Chris Casper (engineer)

great weekend, everybody.

Pete Schwab (host)

You too, Terry.

Thanks so much, as always.

Kasper says that's what I'm here for, man.

Conrad, how great.

I love them.

That was some great

Conrad (producer)

music.

Pete Schwab (host)

Fantastic.

Terry Never Disappoints.

Check out Maxink Radio from 6 to 9 p.m.

on WMDX if you're in the Madison area or go to the, we have all the podcast catalog too at civicmedia.us.

You can find past episodes or listen if you missed something to Nightlight or Maxink Radio.

And we will see Terry hopefully next week.

So, wow, we made it through this show somehow, Con.

We did.

You got your tool belt over there.

I don't know what is going on.

Thank you to Chris Casper.

Casper's the man.

And he says, just like we expect out of Casper, that's what I'm here for, man.

All right.

It's a team effort tonight.

Thank you to Terry Barr, our great friend for great music and great conversation.

Thank you to Tim Waco and all your texts and calls, folks.

This has been a fun Friday.

Enjoy the blustery weather.

Thanksgiving's around the corner.

Have a great weekend on behalf of the lovable producer, Conrad.

I'm Pete Chihuahua saying goodnight, Wisconsin.

Joel Murray (guest)

Welcome back.

Pete Schwabber (host)

I'm Pete Schwabber.

This is Nightlight.

So great to have you with me on this Monday night.

I wait all weekend for Monday, folks, so I can talk movies and TV and comedy and music and all the good stuff.

We are broadcasting live statewide and parts beyond over the app and stream.

So wherever you're joining me from tonight, welcome.

Dave on the stream said, killdozer.

That was early in the show and I missed it.

That's a Butch Vig band or Butch Vig produced band.

Do you remember what we were talking about?

I have no idea what we were talking about.

Joel Murray (guest)

That was a

Pete Schwabber (host)

Halloween thing.

That is the voice of Amanda Nimmer, sitting in for the K-Man tonight, doing a bang up job.

Are you having fun?

Yeah, I'm having fun.

It's way better than Thursday when everything's not imploding all over the place.

Well, here's another reason it's better than Thursday, because my next guest is a very talented guy.

He's a friend of mine.

He's one of the stars of the new Chicago Triumvirate, the one Chicago family, more specifically, Chicago PD.

He joins us over the stream, Mr. Joel Murray.

Hey, Joel.

It's good to

Joel Murray (guest)

be here.

Pete Schwabber (host)

It's great

Joel Murray (guest)

to have your segue music man.

You just did so so cool

Pete Schwabber (host)

We try to make it like a high school dance here when we come back from breaks and oftentimes people do slow dance throughout the studio

Joel Murray (guest)

eight inches apart eight inches apart little room for the guardian angel

Pete Schwabber (host)

I'm talking to a fellow Catholic boy, of course, you know 14 years age jolt 14 years at Catholic school

Joel Murray (guest)

Well adjusted.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Yeah,

Joel Murray (guest)

but I apparently I still need two theologies and two philosophies to graduate from Loyola, Chicago

Pete Schwabber (host)

Oh, that's hilarious wait from

Joel Murray (guest)

high school that with an English degree.

No University University.

I

Pete Schwabber (host)

thought you went to Marquette for some reason.

Joel Murray (guest)

Okay.

I Just seemed like I was there You behave like you

I had a few Vulcan mind melds, yeah.

I was visiting a lot.

You act like a

Pete Schwabber (host)

Marquette grad.

That's got to be it.

I don't know.

I went to DePaul and I was the same way, very, very closely graduating.

Joel Murray (guest)

You act like a DePaul attendee.

Pete Schwabber (host)

A blue demon.

Hey, this is great.

It's great to have you.

I want to talk about your new character, Mark Devlin.

But first I have to ask you, Joel, do you have a favorite TV housewife?

Joel Murray (guest)

that I've had in the past.

Well, not that you've had.

Well, I mean, that I've performed with.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Oh, you could do that.

That's a different angle or just one growing up that you watch on TV like Mrs. C or Laura Petrie, someone like that.

It's National Housewives Day.

Joel Murray (guest)

I was a big fan of Samantha and Bewitched.

Oh, nice.

It was a lot there to like.

I mean, I thought I could utilize her so much better than Darren.

I don't know what that guy was doing, either of them.

Uh, pretty fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Personally, I, uh, I've worked with my wife a couple of times, but, uh, they had any wives.

I'm always the guy that lost his wife or divorced or something.

Strangely single guy, the 30 year old virgin I was on one show.

Pete Schwabber (host)

I'm sorry for your fictitious losses, Joel.

That's terrible.

Joel Murray (guest)

or wins depends on how

Pete Schwabber (host)

you look at it.

Hey, so let's talk about that.

I was saying earlier on the show, Chicago PD, you kind of have to pick your shows.

There's so many Dick Wolf shows.

And I watched SVU for a long time.

I watched the original on order, loved it and some of the ones that aren't even on anymore.

But like in terms of the Chicago one Chicago group, I have stuck with Chicago PD for 14 seasons.

I'm totally caught up.

And when I saw you,

I'm like, oh, this is going to be a really fun year for you because anyone they bring on, there you go.

If you're watching on the stream, there's a commander.

Joel Murray (guest)

That was Billy Gardell and early Mike and Molly.

Oh, that guy's big.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Amanda,

Joel Murray (guest)

come on.

There you go.

Just

Pete Schwabber (host)

there you go.

That's a great now.

OK, I just have to ask you, this must be so much fun for you, basically a native Chicagoan to shoot a show in your hometown.

it's

Joel Murray (guest)

kind of just putting on the stuff was a riot for me and i have an old cop coat that i kind of cherish but uh you know they dress me up and like yeah we don't need you for about 15 20 like oh okay i'm gonna go withdraw some money i'm gonna go get a coffee i'm gonna go get a donut but just like walking around the daily center one day we were shooting and i was just going in stores and just let's see if i could get a free donut or not coffee

Pete Schwabber (host)

or make a citizen's arrest or something.

Joel Murray (guest)

Just make people paranoid, walk up behind guys that are obviously smoking weed, like, hey, hey, still not legal.

That's fantastic.

It was fun.

It was really fun.

And, uh, you know, you pictured Jason, the gay there.

I, uh, I actually worked with him a million years ago on Dharma and Greg and I pointed out to him, I don't know.

We've worked together before.

Oh, yeah.

I don't, I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You were one of Jen Elfman's friends of the week back in the day.

Oh, back then.

Yeah.

No, I've, I've, I don't remember a lot of that.

Don't remember a lot of that.

So it's a pretty good be gay.

That's very good.

Be gay.

Well, you know, it's, he's, he's close to my brother Brian too.

Oh, okay.

You know, the two of them in the room would be kind of a similar conversation.

Two guys.

Anyway, but yeah, it was really fun working on it and I did I was told I had four of the first eight and I went in and auditioned audition I got a costume fitting and the gal was outfitting me with boots and parkas and stuff and I'm like It's it's 91 degrees today in Chicago and as you like yeah, I do my job and so I don't know I fulfilled the the first eight quota so we have to see if there's a

there's more down the way or not.

But according to me, I'm not dead.

So I think, you know, until you kill me, you gotta keep showing me.

Pete Schwabber (host)

My guest is Joel Murray, a very accomplished actor and director, and he is the newest cast member of Chicago PD.

He plays commander Mark Devlin.

Yeah, it's interesting you say that because last year I noticed Sean Hattacy, it seems like whoever they bring in

locks horns, yeah, with Voight.

And I assume that you guys are building to that.

I don't know what you can divulge or in terms of spoilers, but how do you see that going?

Joel Murray (guest)

I'm sure I'm not supposed to divulge anything, but still not dead.

A lot of these shows where you get, oh, yeah, we got a really good episode for you coming up, but you got to go, you got to see John Wall.

first and it's like huh and then all of a sudden you don't get your script in the mail or you know delivered and you have to go in and the producers I could spend great got a great episode and you jump in an ice hole at the end of it and kill yourself and that's how they got rid of me on shameless you know so it's just one of those things but they haven't given me that talk with Dick Wolf yet so I'm looking I think I'm not dead

But I hope it's been fun.

I've been working with the gay.

I've been working with Amy Morton who's like, you know, one of the the Queens of Chicago.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Yeah.

Joel Murray (guest)

Uh, had the cool husband and, uh, you know, they, they have a cottage up there, Big Sam Lake, Wisconsin up there in your north of Phelps.

You know, so they're, they're good people.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Wait,

Joel Murray (guest)

wait,

Pete Schwabber (host)

Amy Morton's family did.

Joel Murray (guest)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that's no husband's family whose name is escaping me.

He's a sound guy, a real cool sound guy did when I did plays at like mains and

organic and stuff.

He was a hip sound guy.

And LaRoyce Hawkins, who's been on the whole time, he's a cool guy.

I've met him around town for years and a friend, a publicist friend in common

Pete Schwabber (host)

anyway.

Okay.

Were you a fan of the show before you started working on it?

Like, had you watched the show quite a bit?

Joel Murray (guest)

No, I hated the show because there were never any Chicago actors on it.

And then I found out that like my brother Andy watched it all the time.

I'm like, oh, and he goes, yeah, I get my fix of Chicago.

It's great.

And so I started watching it.

And like now that guy over there, he's he's Chicago.

I know him Stoltz and Stoltz here, you know, some people.

But I saw we were doing the Who's Live Anyway show I was doing and we were up in Saskatchewan.

name-dropper.

And Dermot Moroney texted me out of the blue going, hey, yeah, I'm in Saskatchewan too.

Any chance to get a ticket for the show?

I'm like, pretty sure there's a lot of comps available tonight, Dermot.

And so I said,

couple tickets aside for him and he came back afterwards and we hung out and when we got done with the evening, I said, hey, you know, by the way, I've never ever gotten on any of those and never an audition anything for any of those Dick Wolf shows.

And then, you know, put in a word for me, and he's, you know, the new fire chief.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Yeah,

Joel Murray (guest)

fire.

And I goes, well, yeah, sure.

So week or two later, I'm in Chicago, I sang the stretch at Wrigley.

And the next day, somebody called and said,

my agent called and said, yeah, they want to know if you'd be interested in doing this part on Chicago PD.

And I'm like, yeah, you know, I don't miss too many who's line shows and if it's good and blah, blah, blah.

And so he called back a little while later, like, no, this is happening.

They want to, you want you to do this thing.

I'm like, oh, well, that's, that they're no more ronious, powerful.

And so I reached out to him and he's like, no, I had nothing to do with that, man.

Thanks though.

Yeah, no, no, it wasn't me.

Do you think he's just being a swell guy

Pete Schwabber (host)

or what?

Joel Murray (guest)

No, he's been like touring with his band with his brother and he have a band called one for the ditch.

And he's like, yeah, no, I didn't do anything.

Sorry.

That's surprising

Pete Schwabber (host)

because most deals are cut in Saskatchewan when it comes to casting and all

Joel Murray (guest)

that

Pete Schwabber (host)

stuff.

Well, that's awesome, Joel.

And let's talk about what else you got going on.

This is kind of cool.

I saw that you're going to play Pat Summerall.

in a movie called Madden.

Joel Murray (guest)

Yeah.

You would think that's a good part.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Oh no.

Do you fall out of the booth or something?

What's going

Joel Murray (guest)

on?

Oh, in an ice hole.

It's funny.

About a year and a half ago, this friend of mine said, you know, this guy wants to play golf with somebody cooler than me.

I've been teaching him to play golf and he thought you'd be fun to play golf with.

But it's David O. Russell, the director, and who's done all kinds of things except golf.

And so I was kind of teaching him to play golf.

And he and this guy and my son Gus and I would play a pen mar by the sea here, which is not by the sea, but it's 30 blocks from it.

But we play out here in California, and then we have some drinks.

food afterwards but you really interesting cat and he started talking about this Madden movie and there's there's a part in there for you I'm sure there's some guy you know the NFL guy from Chicago or something like that and then all of a sudden he started going you know look at this video of this you know watch this video and look at this thing yeah I'm gonna send you a wig

Next thing you know, there's like a really cheap white wig in the mail and yeah, I read a couple lines with this wig on for me.

Yeah, okay All right.

Well, I'm gonna send you a blue blazer and so he kept sending me stuff and I wasn't getting the part and all of a sudden my summer all was believable enough for them and They they offered you and this is from Amazon is making this movie, right?

Huge movie.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Yeah.

Joel Murray (guest)

And so they offered me the part and it was going to be basically scale And a local hire so you're gonna fly yourself to Florida And no to Atlanta You're gonna put yourself up in Atlanta and you're gonna drive yourself to from the set in the airport and everything every day and you're gonna make you know food money basically and so I I Told my agent after a couple days.

I was like, you know what?

I don't know.

And my agent's like, that's bad summer hall, bad summer hall.

And so they came back.

Oh, no, no, no, we didn't mean that.

No, you're local.

You're not a local hire.

You'll get pay triple scale.

You'll get the limousine.

You'll get the hotel and the first class, this first class, that and like, yeah, see, there you go.

Now we're talking.

Pete Schwabber (host)

Yeah.

Joel Murray (guest)

Yeah.

But I still have no lines and I still have no script.

Oh man.

So,

I went and I'm working and he just wanted me to improvise everything.

Let's, hey, Joe, let's pick up right

Pete Schwabber (host)

there.

We got to do a really quick break here.

We're coming back with

Joel Murray (guest)

the

Pete Schwabber (host)

actual.

I'm getting played off.

We're coming right back as nightlight with the

Joel Murray (guest)

honor just to be nominated.

Pete Schwabber (host)

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Amanda (producer)

Welcome

Pete Schwabba (host)

back.

I'm Pete Schwabba.

This is Nightlight from the 608.

Steady Eddie says, Pete, I second the vote for favorite TV housewife.

I also chose Barbara Sandwich as opposed to Stanwyck from the television show, The Big Belly.

That is the shortest text Steady Eddie has ever sent us.

Amanda (producer)

Thank you,

Pete Schwabba (host)

buddy.

Great to hear from you Steady Eddie.

My guest is Joel Murray.

You can see him as Commander Mark Devlin on Chicago PD this season, their 14th, which is an incredibly good run.

Joel, we were talking about you playing the iconic Pat Summerall, a really cool role in the movie Madden.

Nicholas Cage is John Madden.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Joel Murray (guest)

Yeah, that was...

Supposedly, he came in to read for Al Davis, which I could see.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Yeah, totally.

Joel Murray (guest)

And he said, no, I don't want to play Madden.

So he does a really good Madden.

And next thing you know, you got Nick Cage's Madden.

Pete Schwabba (host)

And you do

Joel Murray (guest)

a

Pete Schwabba (host)

really good Nick Cage, thereby meaning you would do a really good Madden.

So come on.

Joel Murray (guest)

There you go.

I got to work with some other people that were really fun.

Rick Hoffman, who's kind of the Weasley guy on suits, was in Howard Cosell.

And this kid from Canada, who's a rapper, a white rapper, was playing a young Bob Costas.

And it was really goofy.

And we all at the same time got to see Nick Cage as Madden.

And at the same time, right before we rolled, they put earwigs in our ears.

So we're hearing the director and the director is David's telling everybody what to do and he's telling Nick Cage what to do and we're all just in this surreal world all of a sudden.

Wow.

Some people have lines that they auditioned with and some people don't.

I didn't know what the hell I was doing but it was really, really different.

And then when it got to be just this one-on-one stuff with Nick Cage,

All I would be saying is like, all right, well, it's this date in Dallas.

So that'd be, you know, county stadium, whatever.

So it would be Tony Dorsett.

It would be, you know, two tall Jones.

It would be Billy Joe

Pete Schwabba (host)

McCree.

Joel Murray (guest)

So not Stavak.

It would Danny White.

Oh, okay.

The right date.

But, you know, so I did that kind of research while I'm waiting.

Trying to see if they're going to give me any lines.

So I was riffing with Nick Cage and So he's got stuff in his ear.

He's being told to say and I'm just riffing off him and and setting it up with you know at five.

Yeah, I can't talk five yard out to Billy Jonah pre and He would it was it was really interesting and then they you know, we have we're in Turner Stadium in Atlanta, so you're going this way and you're at

you know, the Raiders game.

You go in this way, you're at the Lions game.

You're going this way, you're in Cowboy Stadium.

So that was really cool.

And, you know, I had to say, eventually, you know, I was friends with your, to Nick Cage, I was friends with your cousin, Gio.

And he was a friend of mine.

I knew from Italy years ago, like 1982, 83, and

He all of a sudden kind of broke it just like, you knew Gio.

I loved Gio.

Gio was the best man.

You were friends with Gio.

And so then, you know, he was much nicer to me.

I live in Las Vegas.

You should come there sometime.

A lot of people say, you know, weird things about it.

I like all singers.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Oh

Joel Murray (guest)

man,

Pete Schwabba (host)

that is gold, dude.

Joel Murray (guest)

It was pretty good.

It was a surreal moment, but I did that and then, you know, back on the bus and back doing the Who's Line and then doing the Chicago thing.

I did a goofy, another goofy football movie down in Tampa for a month called The Big Game where...

I won't give anything away on that, but this was a small indie movie that I liked, The Darkness of the Script.

And I played one of these fanatical Florida fans, and it's the big game against Florida State.

Oh,

Pete Schwabba (host)

sweet.

Joel Murray (guest)

It gets really weird and dark.

So I got to do that.

So I've gotten to take some breaks from the who's line, but I also got to breeze through Wisconsin at one point.

Yeah.

Yeah, you were on the show

Pete Schwabba (host)

talking about that last time.

Do you have it?

We've got only about a minute left.

Unfortunately, Joel,

Joel Murray (guest)

but

Pete Schwabba (host)

any, any more, who's live coming up here?

Joel Murray (guest)

No, we, I said, we did the one at the PAPS in La Crosse, which is a fun place to play.

But yeah, no, we're not headed back there anytime soon, but I don't know the schedule.

I'm just trying to get through the, I'm just trying to get through the holidays, man.

We got a wedding coming up.

You know, it's, it's going to get crazy here.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Well,

I was excited because I'm totally outnumbered here as a Bears and Cubs fan, and they don't hesitate to abuse me, and it's fun.

I like being that guy, but next time you'll have to come on, I'll have to save some more time so we could talk about some of that stuff too, because it's good to

Joel Murray (guest)

have us.

That was the other thing with the Chicago PD.

I got to go to three Cub win playoff games.

So all three, I went through they won, and that Bears game Sunday was absolutely phenomenal.

Pete Schwabba (host)

It's the game of the year.

It was incredible.

Joel Murray (guest)

I mean, I almost broke the TV and then the next thing you know, I'm just like, of course they win.

Of course.

But I mean, it was the best of times, the worst of times.

It was absolutely insane.

It was great.

I've never seen a game like this.

And that's how the World Series was too, by the

Pete Schwabba (host)

way.

Oh, it was phenomenal.

All right, we'll have to do this

Joel Murray (guest)

again

Pete Schwabba (host)

soon.

Phenomenal World Series.

Maybe the best ever a lot of people are saying, but we'll.

Yeah, we'll have you back soon.

I'd

Amanda (producer)

love

Pete Schwabba (host)

to

Amanda (producer)

talk about

Pete Schwabba (host)

all that stuff too.

Joel Murray, check him out as Commander Mark Devlin on this season's Chicago

Joel Murray (guest)

PD.

Wednesday

Pete Schwabba (host)

nights.

Wednesday nights.

After the other ones.

The best

Joel Murray (guest)

night to watch.

I think it's the 13th season, 14th for a fair.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

It's a great night

Joel Murray (guest)

to watch Color Teller.

In case anybody is wagering on the show tonight.

Pete Schwabba (host)

Thank you, sir.

Have a great night, Joel.

As always,

Joel Murray (guest)

my friend.

Great to see you, Pete.

All the best.

Thank you,

Pete Schwabba (host)

buddy.

Thank you.

Check out the Chicago PD on your color television.

We'll be back tomorrow night.

Conrad, we'll be back.

Amanda, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

How are we doing on time?

We

Amanda (producer)

got about

Pete Schwabba (host)

30 seconds.

Okay, fantastic.

My thanks to Joel Murray and Doug Paray.

Thank you for all your texts and calls.

Always more fun when you guys participate.

We're coming back tomorrow night on behalf of Amanda.

I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night, Wisconsin.

Peach Wava (Host)

Welcome back.

This is Nightlight with Peach Wava.

We are plowing through a Wednesday night edition of the show.

And joining me here right now is Jeremy Carrasco.

He is a Green Bay native or a Green Bay resident, I should say.

And his job is in AI.

Well, he's not in AI.

He's a content creator and he teaches people how to deal with AI.

And I find it fascinating.

Jeremy, so...

What should people, in your opinion, I'm pretty much a layman, I know about Tilly Norwood, you know about Tilly Norwood, the AI actress.

Yeah, we

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

can talk about that.

Peach Wava (Host)

Okay, so I have questions about that, but what should regular people who don't have to deal with AI on a regular basis right now, what should they look out for when it comes to AI?

What amount of knowledge should regular people have about the subject in your opinion?

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

I think really when it comes down to it, you know,

If you don't feel like you've caught up, that's okay.

Everyone always feels like they're behind.

Everyone always feels like they're catching up.

So that's the first thing I want to say is it's normal.

And that's how I feel all the time.

And I'm covering it every day.

And it's just always moving so quickly.

So what I would say is that having a little bit of knowledge about just what's happening in the industry, just larger trends is good.

the tech companies would like you to think that everything changes all the time.

There are some trends.

For example, AI videos are popular enough to go relatively viral on social media now.

Really, the thing I would say is that that thing that used to

you know, tick off in your brain of like, wow, that's really unbelievable.

Now that might be because it's an AI video, whereas before it might have been something truly incredible.

Or an example I'll give is, you know, sometimes there will be AI videos like this where it's like a baby who's about to stick a fork in an outlet or something.

Technical Producer (Khan)

There's someone

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

filming this baby sticking a fork in the outlet, then the puppy goes to save the baby, right?

And the comments will just be people being like, why didn't you put the phone down to help the baby?

But in my head,

I'm just thinking, well, that must be an AI video because what human wouldn't go put down the phone to help the baby.

So it's just, it's retuning that part of your brain that a lot of the AI videos are really made for to go viral because they're just a little bit too crazy be true or a little bit too good to be true.

And then the other side of it is just being aware that there are

AI, there's plenty of AI text out there, there's plenty of AI photos out there.

It's just generally a little bit more skepticism is a healthy thing to have right now, but definitely don't, I don't expect everyone to be as hawkish on it as me.

I mean, that's my job, but you know, it's just getting by day to day is a little bit harder than it used to be if you're trying to find any sort of like quote unquote truth on the internet.

It's much harder to come by now.

Peach Wava (Host)

Right.

What is the motivation of people that make, let's say AI real?

Obviously everybody wants clicks.

Everybody wants to sell advertising.

Is that what is motivating AI content creators?

I mean, because oftentimes, and we can talk about how to spot, you know, if it's AI or not, cause a lot of people don't seem to know they repost stuff.

And I'm like, I don't think you know what you're reposting.

But how, how would, what should

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

people look

Peach Wava (Host)

out

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

for?

Well,

You know, the first thing is that it is, just remember that like engagement is what most platforms are built on.

So I can talk about that as really since TikTok entered the picture, every platform is trying to copy TikTok's engagement model more or less, which is to say that, you know, following or subscribing to people is less common than it used to be.

This is why you don't see your friends on your Facebook page as much as you once did is because

A lot of it is just based on what you're watching.

And even if you don't hit the like button on the video, Facebook still knows that you watched

Technical Producer (Khan)

it and that you liked it.

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

So the thing that AI videos are really good at is taking advantage of the way that these platforms...

track engagement now.

And so you can think back to when clickbait used to be a big problem.

Some people might remember that of maybe on YouTube or Facebook, there would be a thumbnail that would be really intriguing and you click on it and the video would be totally different.

Well, in a way, that's what AI videos and AI photos do to us is they make you stop thinking like, ah, what's going on here?

And by the time you really figure it out, you've already registered your engagement on the platform because it doesn't go on likes anymore.

So I hear a lot of people saying, well, I'm not like

So why am I seeing so much and that's why

Peach Wava (Host)

so when you say clickbait I thought that was still a thing like oftentimes I'll see I'll see a reel or something on Facebook and I'll

And it looks intriguing.

Here's a perfect example.

This Wisconsin town is gorgeous.

Oh, they don't tell you.

They want you to click.

I get that.

Then they want you to click in the first comment.

And then they want you to scroll down.

Is it all about keeping people there?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah,

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

or the other really maddening thing that people talk about.

And you can actually do counting on this if you're interested.

Next time you see one of those videos that is

They're obviously pushing off the payoff.

So for example, it might be a rocket that is about to launch, right?

They might put that rocket launch 10 seconds into the video to make you wait the 10 seconds because the 10 second view duration is what registers a view.

So there are all these ways.

And the thing about AI is even if you know what you're looking at, like I do, it's still...

It takes a few seconds for me to figure out if I'm watching an AI video or not.

The AI videos are really engaging on our current social media, and that's why people are seeing them a

Peach Wava (Host)

lot.

We clipped a little from one of your YouTube videos, about 50 seconds, and our stream is down, Khan.

Can we play it in the stream?

No.

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

But I do have the audio.

Peach Wava (Host)

The audio is still interesting.

It's how to spot if something is AI.

You'll recognize this, but let's play that.

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

I'm next to an AI person so we can compare and see what's wrong with him.

Don't pay too much attention to me.

The AI's skin is smooth, like it's wearing a ton of makeup.

There are details resembling pores, but they don't stay in the same spot on his skin as his face moves.

The skin looks like leather.

The subtleties are gone and the texture is off.

Now, let's look at the hair, which has some shape and strands, but it looks very thick, almost like it's animal fur.

It's coarse and fuzzy looking.

And the teeth are straighter than mine, which is not much of an accomplishment, but they change width and shapes as he talks, and the spacing between them shifts around.

Okay, that's enough staring at me.

Let's appreciate that for a second.

I called that a superpower for a reason.

Your subconscious can pick out all that detail that I had to zoom in on to demonstrate.

Let's talk about that.

That sounds like an old video, but I don't think it is I think that is in a YouTube video It's just it's so funny because I released these videos three months ago, and it already changed.

Peach Wava (Host)

Oh, yeah, I

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

mean all those tips are still decent, but it changes that

Peach Wava (Host)

I

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

mean they're improving all the time

They're just improving all the time.

Peach Wava (Host)

Well, it's new to us.

So my guest is Jeremy Carrasco.

He is an AI, you call yourself an AI expert?

Creator, AI

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

educator.

I don't try to go by expert.

We'll say expert,

Peach Wava (Host)

compared to me, you're an expert.

But it's great to have you here in the studio.

And I want to ask you, what should...

You know you talk about in one of your videos all the fingers you can tell something kind of looks real and then two people hug and all of a sudden there's seven fingers and What else can people look for other than what we just heard to tell us something's fake or AI?

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

The thing that I would say is if you're concerned, I would actually seek out AI videos and see what works for you and see what you pick up on, because everyone's different.

For some people, it is the audio, and it is the lower quality audio.

The most recent trend is some of the newest AI models that people talk really, really fast.

It might be something, for example, where you're watching someone just talking.

to another person on the camera, but they're talking almost like an influencer or an announcer.

Technical Producer (Khan)

That's

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

because the AI video models don't quite know why we talk to people the way they do.

So some people are really thrown off by the audio and how people talk.

Other people will feel like an uncanny sense.

I describe it as it feels like I'm looking at ghosts.

They're almost people, but something's a little bit off.

And this comes down to the fact that for the longest time, the only way we ever captured

human-like or life-like video was with a camera sensor or film or something that collected real light in a room and bounced into a sensor and was filmed somehow.

Of course, there was animation, but besides that, this is the first time where a human-like presence can be simulated in a way that's completely a different process.

The the reality is that process is different and different people will be able to see that in their own their own way So it's hard to give just like one easy tip there aren't you know simple tips anymore But the thing that I would say is the best way to figure it out is just

try to step back and use some common sense.

These aren't, because they're not actually people filming cameras, you might have instances where the camera position just doesn't make sense.

It'd be like, who is filming

Technical Producer (Khan)

this?

Why are they

Peach Wava (Host)

filming this?

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

And again, it does require a little bit of you stepping back and asking questions, which I mean, frankly, a lot of people aren't doing Wundler on social media.

It's part of the problem.

Peach Wava (Host)

I mean, you just kind of lose yourself in the phone and whatever it tells you, that's what you're,

you say that you teach people to cope with AI.

You also, in one of the videos I saw, you have AI red flags

Technical Producer (Khan)

in

Peach Wava (Host)

three categories, anatomy, technical and situational.

You kind of just described anatomy.

We talked about the multiple fingers or shoulders meshing together or whatever it is.

And you just kind of talked about technical a little bit.

What's the situational aspect of that?

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

Yeah, the situational is the video's purpose and you know, what it's there to make you feel, what it's there to get you to do.

So a lot of videos are just there to get you to engage and to like or to share threads or to leave an angry comment when the person doesn't put down the phone to help the AI baby.

But a lot of them can be eventually to sell you something or can be a scam.

And those are the ones to really look out for.

And, you know, the wonderful thing about AI is it can make people do things that normal people would feel shame about.

And an AI person can't feel shame, right?

So it's used to simulate people that are just supposed to get an angry comment out of you.

Maybe a person who is reacting in a very unusual way that might make you angry and you might comment.

And that might be for a political gain, for example.

I've seen videos of...

fake Trump supporters wearing MAGA hats with no teeth complaining about, you know, their healthcare going away.

And I've seen, you know, more left-leaning people, you know, complaining about things, you know, it's like playing off a stereotype,

Peach Wava (Host)

right?

And its entire

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

goal is just to make you angry at that

Peach Wava (Host)

person.

Yeah, that's interesting.

What is...

Okay, so we were talking a little bit during the break.

There's Tilly Norwood.

She's an influence.

She is

Technical Producer (Khan)

an influencer.

Peach Wava (Host)

She's an AI creation.

They said she was going to have an agency in Hollywood represent her.

It's so strange that we're talking about something that is AI.

So what is it?

I look, I equated kind of to animation.

They're not real people.

Like, what are they?

How?

Where will they be categorized?

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

I mean, first of all, just to set the record straight, Tilly Norwood has not been in any movies or succeeded in any way.

I think the true industry plant is Tilly Norwood.

Like, we don't know if this is going to succeed.

And, you know, in my opinion, it probably it probably won't because most people, when they watch a Hollywood movie, want to know about the actors and actresses.

And there's, you know, there's a whole.

mystique around it, right?

So, you know, having said that, you know, eventually, I don't know, probably AI actors might be a thing someday, but like, let's just pump the brakes until it succeeds, because

Peach Wava (Host)

I don't

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

think many people are going to go to the Tilly Norwood movie.

Peach Wava (Host)

Like it'll be like Pixar.

Maybe.

You wanna watch a movie with AI actor?

I don't think people, I don't think there's really a demand for that unless they can do something that's crazy or...

Jeremy Carrasco (Guest, AI Educator)

Yeah, and I'll tell you what, and there's, you know, I've done a video or two about this.

If you're an AI creator, let's say someone who's making AI and you have a scene and you got three people in the scene and I'm a left, you want someone to say one thing and on the right, you want them to say another thing, the AI will...

Frequently, let make the person in the middle say both of those things.

It can't track.

who's supposed to say what.

And it's worth mentioning that there are other types of AI models that are maybe a little bit more tunes to what are called AI avatar models that are a little bit more lifelike human focused.

Whereas a lot of AI video models, they can make dogs video or cat videos or skateboard videos.

So it just depends on what the situation is.

Peach Wava (Host)

Fascinating stuff.

When we come back, I'm going to tell you about some of the comments I read under AI stuff.

Jeremy Cresco is here.

We're talking AI.

It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight.

We're coming right

Technical Producer (Khan)

back.

Pete Schwabba

I love when people get romantic about the question than I. John from Madison in the 608 says, when I was a younger man, I could eat endless donuts.

All the donuts.

My brother was sure that I had a tapeworm because I ate too much of everything, but I never get fat.

I could down 20 donuts, no problem.

That is really impressive stuff, John.

There's nothing a woman likes more than a guy who can

plowed the donuts.

Great stuff, John.

Oh, I got to read a text from John last night, Con.

He sent this in right as we left.

It was this beautiful text.

John last night from the 608 said, great guest, great show.

Peter, you keep me coming back every night.

Thanks, brother, sincerely.

And then he says, you got skills, man.

Thank you, John, for the nice compliments.

I almost forgot to read those until I saw your text pop up tonight.

John also says, when I was in high school playing football, I would eat five pork chops and three bakers.

I don't even know what that is.

Now I can only afford to eat them one at a time.

How many, how times have changed, orange, I mean, changed.

I think you know what he's going over there.

Steve Conrad's dad says, back in the day, it was no problem to eat a baker's dozen, 13 of us.

And you said one Conrad.

Should I be ashamed?

You know, I'm going to talk to Steve about this.

He says, Long John's cake donuts were very in cream glazed.

Now,

What is he saying?

Nowadays.

Nowadays, just a six pack.

Raspberry filled donuts are my favorite.

Seeing you have to make sure you eat plenty of fruits per day.

I'm glad your dad is getting his nutritional intake.

Yeah, I

Jeremy Carrasco

don't know if it

Pete Schwabba

counts that much with... It's what Homer says.

He says purple, purple is a fruit.

And then we've got some texts from the stream.

Dave says, Greenbush is awesome and Joe can't handle the attention.

They were wondering where Joe was tonight.

Right now we've got a few more minutes with my current guest and I think we need to talk about this more account because I find this So such an education like I told you Jeremy during the break.

I love talking to people

that knows so much about something, especially something I don't know about.

I

find that fascinating.

Jeremy Carrasco is my guest.

He is a, he coaches people and teaches them how to cope with AI.

I think that's a great way to explain

what you do.

I love to read the comments and I'll do

Jeremy Carrasco

it

Pete Schwabba

when I see like an airplane landing on a beach and people go, how did those people survive that?

I'm like, are you kidding?

Or you see this beautiful woman and I'll go, that's gotta be AI.

I'll click on it and it is.

But some of the people, the guys are, that's a woman.

I could really settle down

with.

I'm

like, no, you can't.

Well, good catch on your part.

Well,

I

mean, some of it is obvious.

Yeah.

But so I'm probably maybe a little more savvy than the average guy, but they're still, they could fool me if they wanted to.

What should people, what are the dangers?

Like what can happen from a social media standpoint when it comes to AI?

And then let's talk a little bit about the good it can do.

Jeremy Carrasco

Oh, I don't want to freak people out too much.

But the concern that I have, because a lot of people are just like, oh, who cares, right?

Who cares if the cat video is AI or if it's real?

Well, the problem, y'all, is that the cat videos are just the start, just the slippery slope.

I know there's a slippery slope fallacy.

I don't want to get into too much of it.

Anyway, I'll get to it.

The problem here is that

When you combine AI video with all the other capabilities of other types of AI, so for example, people use the word agentic AI, which is really just an AI that can behave on its own.

It doesn't need human guidance.

Well, if you match up an AI video with an AI agent that can act on itself and you multiply that by, I don't know, a million or

500 million accounts, all of

Pete Schwabba

a

Jeremy Carrasco

sudden we could have a lot of fake people out there.

And I talk a lot about what I think the lines that I want to draw, like what is acceptable or what is not.

And I think that the major line I would draw is I'm really against fake AI people because I think that as people, we should really protect our likenesses and make sure that we trust that we are talking to real people on the other end of it.

Because if we don't,

society can really break down.

If you don't believe that you are engaging with other people, how can you run a functioning democracy?

It can go really far.

I don't think we're there yet.

I think that there's a lot of the stories still to be written, so I don't talk about that too much, because it kind of sounds scary, but that's a big part of it.

And then there's also just the risk of being scammed.

People can make AI videos of fake products and sell you a fake product.

That's a good example.

Pete Schwabba

Yeah, great answer.

So is this something that, I mean, as polarized as we are right now,

And the answer might be no, because if people can find a way to use AI to their advantage,

Jeremy Carrasco

that's

Pete Schwabba

probably what they're going to do.

But could you see political parties or somebody coming together and go, we have to regulate this somehow?

Jeremy Carrasco

Yeah, I think that the governance of AI is a whole conversation.

I'm starting to become affiliated with some groups that talk a little bit more about this.

I'm curious about the governance side of it.

I think that as

a public as a community, we have a lot of opportunity to build public norms around it.

And that's really what I'm focused on right now.

Pete Schwabba

Well, good for you, man.

Keep up the great work.

This is just so fascinating to me.

Let's just really freak people

Jeremy Carrasco

out here.

Pete Schwabba

Last question.

Okay, I'm ready.

Like in the Terminator, could AI take over the world?

Doesn't somebody always have to be running AI or can AI get so smart it will boot humans out completely?

Jeremy Carrasco

Yeah, people are worried about that.

there are entire nonprofits dedicated just to stopping that scenario.

I think that AI would be more likely to take over when it pleases you, more matrix style, rather than trying to take over by force.

Because really, the power that it could have is just making us okay with kind of leaving the comforts.

of our world to a more comfortable AI future, right?

But I don't think it's particularly likely for what it's worth.

Pete Schwabba

Let's be honest, it's already taken over.

Jeremy Carrasco

Faces are on our phones all the time.

It's

Pete Schwabba

just not so overt, I suppose.

Jeremy, this is fun.

Thank you.

We're going to have to do this again when you spend a little more time.

I love what you do.

Keep up the great work and we'll do it again.

This was fun.

Thank

Jeremy Carrasco

you.

All

Pete Schwabba

right.

That's Green Bay resident and DePaul University grad Jeremy Carrasco.

I'd like to also thank Heather Arnt for being here tonight.

great time catching up with Heather and all of your texts and calls.

Thank you, folks.

It's been Fun Donut Talk tonight.

We're coming back tomorrow night with a new question and new guests.

And on behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night,

Wisconsin.

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