Ed Gein ‘er No? (Hour 2)

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Tonight Light Folk says we kick off.

The second act here, hour number two on this Thursday night edition, the eve of Halloween.

How cool is that?

It's just exciting.

Any holiday the night before is exciting.

Even though Halloween is not my favorite holiday, but there's just a buzz in the air, kind of exciting.

It's a little creepy, it's a little dark outside.

Amanda Nimmer is here tonight, sitting in for the kid at Conrad Krieger.

How do you think it's going, Amanda?

It went terribly in the beginning.

They had us in the first half.

I think I got it guys.

You're

doing fine.

You know what Conrad said he said I'm gonna leave a bunch of wrong instructions to play a joke on Amanda.

Well that would explain why he's like oh it's a yellow button Conrad it was not a yellow button.

That's funny.

Our guests tonight, folks, we have Emerson Lehman in the studio.

We'll be back with our pal Emerson in just a moment.

He gave the popcorn pick of the week, which was Spotlight, a most excellent choice, a great movie.

Mark Ruffalo, Michael Keaton, Oscar winner, check it out, a great movie about the scandal in the Catholic Church.

It was just a very well done movie.

So that was exciting.

Emerson is going to be here for a few more minutes.

At 7.20, our pal Todd Michaels will be here talking paranormal activity and what better night to do so.

We're going to talk a little bit about the actual, and I didn't even know this, but Amanda, you knew this, the conjuring house is an actual house.

And we're going to auction it off on Halloween.

And I think Todd knows something about that.

We'll talk maybe a little bit about his TV show he helped produce called Haunted State.

Ed Gein, which is on Netflix right now, part of the Master Series.

And it's not getting great reviews, but we'll see what Todd's take is.

And we'll just talk to him a little bit about one of Wisconsin's very own Ed Gein.

And what else did we talk about, Amanda?

What am I missing?

Question of the night?

Question of the night?

Yeah.

Why don't you do the honors?

Oh, okay.

So question of the night is, how do you feel about daylight savings time?

More AM or PM light?

Most people...

have said PMLight.

My pal Emerson here has said AMLight, because you get up so early, because- I like

to be

difficult.

That's why.

I just like to be different.

That is the voice of Emerson Layman, folks.

He is one of the anchors of the WBAYtv Action 2 News This Morning team here in Green Bay.

Check it out every morning.

Now, you get up at 3.30.

What time do you actually go on the air?

So we

go, no, we go on air at 4.30.

You go on the air at 4.30.

Yep.

So we have our meeting at 3.30, and then we're on air from 4.30 to 7.

Then we got an internet-only show from 7.05 to 7.30.

And yeah, we're busy in the morning.

That is insane.

So you're on the air for three hours.

Three hours.

Typically, yeah.

How many cups of coffee do you drink a day?

That's a great question.

Oh my god.

Zero.

You don't

do coffee?

How old are you?

I will be 29 in three

weeks.

Do you

do energy drinks or caffeine in any form?

So I can't say like I I don't drink coffee in the morning.

I don't do energy drinks in the morning.

I'm just water But I will do like if I'm oh, I'm gonna treat myself today like I'll get like a iced coffee when I'm like driving back home to visit my parents or yesterday I had a Red Bull at pickleball because Why not but I yeah, typically I'm not really I just

I don't, my co-anchor Tammy, she loves her coffee and I respect that.

I just haven't really ever gotten into it.

I feel like I need to really doctor my coffee up to enjoy it and we don't have the time to do that.

So I don't know, that's my excuse.

This is just a suggestion

and I'm not saying, I'm not a TV guy.

Would it kill you to have like,

a martini in your hand when you're doing it.

I mean, think about, I know, this sounds like I'm trying to make a joke.

Amanda, you can, Amanda always turns the mic off and then laughs.

No, but like, it would just set this tone like, look how laid back they are.

They're having a blast over there.

Yeah, that certainly would set some type of tone.

I'll be honest, I, like I said before the break, I'm not a huge drinker.

Right.

lightweight so I don't think that that would be a good situation for anybody yeah I I don't know man it just I really it's okay I've never thought of it I'm I was I stick to the H2O I'm an H2O guy

Half kid.

See, I knew it was like a half in

there.

So Emerson and I are going to talk pickleball in just a minute, but I'm going to get through a couple of texts here.

Conrad's mom, see, this is what I love about the Krieger family.

Conrad is not even in the zip

code.

They still tune in.

I love

that.

Paul is listening.

I much prefer having more light at night.

So after work, we can still golf.

Very nice.

Thank you, Paul.

They're done in Florida, right?

They are.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Tom from the 4014 says, Pete is PM premade or AM after.

made you're still mad.

Tom, I don't get that.

Tom's got jokes.

I think Tom loves to give me a hard time and I love when he does, but I don't know if he's saying am or PM there.

Amanda, maybe you could pull out your Tom Tex decoder ring.

And Steve from Florida in the 920, that's where his cell phone is anyway, says, hello, Pete and Amanda.

FYI, Kim Kardashian has never known what she is talking about.

Anyways, I perform more PM so I can golf more after work.

That's why they have a great marriage the Kriegers

they

Conrad is great role models jump in the golf cart together.

Yeah, quick quick go play a quick nine if play quick nine Go back and I don't know if it's rubbing off on Conrad.

I don't even know if he's a good golf.

Have you ever golfed with Conrad?

No, no, is that where he is?

He's golfing today.

He's at a wedding.

Oh,

all right

He's not the best man

But he still took a few vacation days off and went down he's one of the men

I sometimes wonder how he has vacation days left

He's not here to defend himself so we gotta

He's a good employee he's listening right now.

He's probably hammered right now.

He's at the rehearsal dinner

doing an upside down Margarita on the bar.

Jim from Appleton says, more PM light for me, what really messes me up is the change in spring and fall.

In my world, we would always be on daylight savings time.

Those people that put, did I read this text?

I feel like this is very

familiar.

There's like a Halloween thing going on here, but

I'm going to read it again.

It's an on-court performance.

Those people that push for full-time, standard time haven't thought it through enough.

How do you think that you would like two months of 330 AM sunrise?

I did read that because I think Emerson commented.

Pamela from Wisconsin Rapid says, 1973, the little girl from...

Yeah, let's not.

Yeah, we'll skip that one.

Yeah, Amanda mentioned that.

Nothing personal, Pamela, but I'm gonna gloss over that one.

But thank you for the text as always.

Pamela's one of our best textures.

And she remembers that as a teenager.

That sticks with you.

Monica from Mount Horrib in the 608 says, PM, so I don't have to rush to get yard work and gardening done.

Love the fall back.

Hate the spring forward though.

Okay, that's a great one, Monica.

See, I get, are you a yard guy?

You probably rent.

Yeah,

I rent.

Conrad and I are in the same apartment

complex.

That's right.

Yeah, okay.

I have yet to see him.

I've been here two years.

But we're there.

At least he says he's there.

Yeah, but you're the morning guy.

He's the night guy.

Yeah, but I'm like, I'm still

out and about.

Yeah, I don't know.

He's out of here at 805.

I feel like we would have at least like, oh, there's Conrad in the parking lot.

Yeah.

Nope,

nothing.

He teleports into his apartment and just hides.

I don't get excited about gardening or anything.

Oh, I can nots.

No, my wife will say, oh, it's going to be gorgeous this weekend.

We should work in the yard.

I'm like, why would we penalize ourselves for having beautiful weather by going outside?

My dad, I went home to visit one weekend in the summer.

My dad's out moving rocks.

Like, not small little rocks, but like medium

sized

boulders.

Like, what are you doing?

He goes, well, I'm just trying to make it, you know, look.

Who cares?

Like, I.

Yeah, cut the grass.

That's it more power to him.

I like cutting the grass.

I'll even shovel Yeah,

I don't mind

shoveling your snow blowing right as long as there's something in it for me after that I am Yeah, I'm not moving rocks for fun.

I'm sorry.

Sorry

dad So what are you?

Alright Emerson is a huge pickleball fan and a player I should say you're very good at it.

I've seen you play I dabble live you dabble you dabble very well.

You're more than a dabbler You're a go-getter

You're

I'll allow you to say that.

Okay.

Thank you.

So you and you're one of the best players In the world aren't you ranked number four?

No, but you're in the state.

I would say you're right up there.

Aren't you I do

okay.

I would say like I would consider myself On the higher end in the Green Bay area for sure.

Okay Yeah, I don't know I just I go have fun man.

I play a lot of tournaments.

I think I'm nearing

30 tournaments this year, which is wow stupid to say out loud, but

It's

fun man.

It's it's a fun hobby.

It keeps me in shape a little bit.

I just I grew up competing.

Yeah, and I think it kind of scratches that itch for Competition,

what did you compete in use when you grew up competing?

Yes, I mean like I played my you know, you played your sports.

I was pretty good baseball player.

I played football soccer

tennis in high school.

I raced cars.

So I think once kind of like the racing was like my big thing.

I loved, I loved racing, still love racing.

But once that kind of went away, needed something to do with my weekends and pickleball

filled that void a little bit.

Hey man,

a lot of

it, I guess.

If you're that into sports as a kid, you do need to do something like, like I like sports.

I wasn't great at it.

But yeah, you kind of need something to keep you going and keep you in shape.

And pickleball is like

I used to kind of make fun of it, but then I see how hard like what guys like you play.

I'm like, oh, that is a workout.

It's a workout.

And it's so fun to see it.

And we've talked about this before, but seeing it continue to grow and just more and more people are getting into it.

And once they try it, they're like, oh, I understand what the hype was now.

Yeah.

So it's, it's a lot of fun.

I love playing and I'm doing some coaching with it now and.

Made my own Instagram page for it.

Follow Emerson Pickleball shameless plug there.

That's awesome.

It's a it's a blast man.

I'm having fun second career

possibly somehow.

Yeah, I just it's it's a fun side the Emerson

layman finishing school for young pickleball players

You'll work on you can be a mogul.

Yeah, it's it's fun.

I enjoy it.

It's it's cool to I have so much fun with it into like a lot of my clients are like Middle-aged

women, they come and they want to get better.

And it's so fun to see them light up when I teach them something.

And it clicks and they listen so well.

I teach kids too.

And when they listen and you just see that, see it click in their face.

And they go, okay, yep, I get that.

That's really fun for me.

It's almost as fun as winning a tournament.

So yeah, I really enjoy it.

We have a request.

My

next guest, Todd Michaels, who I believe you know.

Love, Todd.

Swell guy, he's gonna he's here at 720 He's asked if you could stay for a short segment to take a quick quiz

of course you

have a burrito waiting for you and a girlfriend

I

Doesn't appear to be jealous that you're tutoring middle-aged women at pickleball.

I hope she's not jealous We talk about it quite a bit.

So yeah, I

hope she's not jealous, but I would love to take a quiz.

Okay, that sounds

great So we're gonna keep Emerson even longer.

It's the competitiveness.

That's what's keeping him here.

I gave him a signing bonus.

She's no right

John from Madison says I'm thinking that almost every person who doesn't go to bed at 7 30 p.m.. Like the gentleman you are talking to it's a no-brainer nice to have some daylight on the way home from work and running The dog walking the dog or spending a little time out there.

All right,

John I can't see a clock, so I got to get out of here.

You got to get to a break.

All right Peach Bob a night like coming right

back

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It's not Friday.

It's the eve of Halloween It's still a great song a man to play in DJ rock in the nightlight studio She's sitting in for Conrad tonight.

Are you having fun?

Now that things aren't imploding everywhere

absolutely the monitors back up the clock looks great

I said clock.

Right now, folks, this is very exciting.

Don't forget, I'm getting roasted on the YouTube comments.

I miss Todd's lab.

Todd

Michaels is joining us.

I said

clock.

Todd always has loved my clarifications.

I don't get it.

It's crazy, but that's kind of the bond we have.

Todd Michaels, ladies and gentlemen, joins us here on Nightlight pre-Halloween.

He is one of the producers of Haunted State on Amazon Prime.

He also hosts the podcast Real Ghost Stories online.

and a true crime podcast that he'll tell us about in just a minute.

Todd, how are you?

I'm good.

How are you guys doing?

Well, I'm doing better than Amanda, but her behavior affects me.

So what's going

on there?

Everything blowing up there or what?

Oh, man.

Technical

difficulties everywhere.

It's all kinds of stuff.

I forgot my pants, and it went downhill from there.

I mean, that's

pretty much just a regular Thursday, isn't it?

Sure.

Come

on.

People don't mind.

No, it's, Amanda's doing great, and Conrad's not here tonight.

He took his 37th vacation day today, so.

I heard that, yeah.

But his pal Emerson

is here.

Civic Media has a great PTO plan set up.

It's wonderful.

They sure do.

Everyone wants to work here, yeah.

They just

don't know it.

They just don't know it.

Conrad is not here.

Emerson Layman is here with Todd.

You guys know each other?

I do know Todd.

Yeah, Todd's great.

Todd's great.

How are you doing, man?

Good to see you.

I'm doing well.

I'm glad you're doing well as well.

And I just heard you about pickleball and all that kind of stuff.

You've got more energy than Pete and Amanda and I put together.

And Conrad too, even though he's not there.

Fake it till you make it.

I'm glad

it looks like I have energy.

That's good.

Well, thanks for throwing me under the bus too, Todd.

It's good to see you, buddy.

You said you had a little quiz or a test for... I do.

Yeah, for Emerson.

You want to play a little round of Ed Gein or Noah?

Yes.

Absolutely.

He brought his own sound effects.

Listen,

I

am always a radio producer.

So here we go.

I've got a bunch of statements, OK?

OK.

And you just have to tell me if it's Ed Gein or no.

Am I competing against Pete?

Are we

competing?

Yeah, we'll just see who gets the most.

OK.

And, man, do you want to keep track of this?

Yeah, I got this.

Emerson is my guess.

So you just answer first, and then I'll answer.

OK.

OK.

I

love this.

That's

nice.

So basically, Emerson, if you get it wrong, Pete gets

it right.

Did you see what he just did?

No, no, no.

Don't tell him.

I'm just saying.

I'm willing to take that challenge.

Let's roll.

OK.

Outstanding.

All right.

Ed Gean or no, first question.

No.

He made

lampshades out of human skin.

Ed Gean or no?

Yeah, that is Ed Gean.

It is Ed Gean.

That is absolutely

right.

Hello.

Do I get to answer, too?

No.

No, you don't get that one.

If he

gets it right.

See, that's how

this works.

We can buzz in.

We can get the bells.

You raise the bell first.

Alrighty, Ed Geiner know he once tried to sell a haunted doll at a county fair at Geiner.

No,

I'm gonna say no.

I'll say yes.

He Actually, no, he did not he did not do that

Listen, I want my guest to do well

Set me

up for success ever since

two two for two two for yep

Yep, two to nothing so far on Ed Geiner.

No, he inspired the movie characters Norman Bates leather face and Buffalo Bill That is at Gein

That is Ed Gein.

Absolutely.

We all know that one, right?

Here's a tough one.

He was once caught digging up a grave during a full moon.

Ed Gein or no?

Yes, Ed Gein.

What?

I didn't know if he got caught.

He never

got caught.

That's

exactly right.

So that was not

Ed Gein.

That was a good one.

Very sneaky,

Todd.

In high school, he worked in a taxidermy shop.

Ed Gein or no?

They didn't cover this in the show.

The

show is not

at all factually accurate.

At all?

Some of it is.

Based on a true story.

It took some liberties.

Alright, I'm gonna say yes.

You're gonna say yes?

I'm gonna say

yes.

I'm gonna say Erno.

Erno is correct.

He did not work in a taxidermy shop.

We got time for more here, Pete.

Yeah, we're good.

I got a

couple more.

Yeah.

Okay.

Erno, he lived with his mother even after she died.

That is Ed Gein.

Obviously, we all know that one.

I watched episode one.

We all know that.

That's all it

takes.

Ed Geiner, no.

He was a volunteer firefighter in his small Wisconsin town.

Ed Geiner, no.

Erno.

Yes.

It was not Ed Gein.

You're right.

It was that Dahmer's father was a volunteer fireman.

So

that's where that comes in.

Did those guys used to pal around?

I don't think so.

I don't know.

That wasn't during the same timeframe, was it?

I thought Ed Gein was like in the 40s, but supposedly on the Netflix show, they said that he gave a tip to help the authorities catch Ted Bundy.

And that's not true.

And I was like, oh, my God, that's like current almost because Ted Bundy was like in the 70s, right, Todd?

I don't know.

Yeah.

And finally one here.

Let's see.

He was known to read anatomy books as a hobby.

Ed Geiner, no.

You can go first on this one.

I'll just say yes.

I'll say I'll say yes as well.

Yeah,

he did do that.

That's nice job.

That was fun.

That was outstanding.

It's nice what chat GPT can do for you right before you go on the air.

Where do you find all those people clapping?

You have people you have a studio audience there you brought with you.

Listen, I am a radio guru.

You know

that I've got

every sound effect possible.

I love it.

Todd Michaels is here, folks.

He is one of the producers of Haunted State on Amazon Prime, a really cool show where they take you to haunted places around our state.

Dork County episode is awesome.

And he also, we're going to tell you all about his podcast after the news.

Emerson, it has been awesome having you here, buddy, as always.

It is such a pleasure

all the time.

Look forward to being back.

Todd, great to see you again.

Go eat your burrito.

I cannot wait.

Very excited.

All right, we're going to do, let's get through a couple of these stream texts and we'll come back and talk to Todd about the conjuring of Sydney Frankenstein says, all right, so even after that crazy commercial cut, I'm still supposed to believe it's not Amanda.

No, that was me.

That was me.

That was Amanda.

Okay, I'm trying.

I'm

trying.

PGIFFM, I don't know what that means, says, I feel daylight savings is past its usefulness in the 21st century.

Totally agree.

He continues, or she continues saying, I'd go as far as saying time zones a bit outdated as well.

That's interesting.

All right, lots more to come, folks.

We're gonna do the news.

We're coming back with Todd Michaels.

It's Nightlight with Pete

Schwabba.

Welcome back.

Great to have you with me, folks.

It is a Thursday night edition of Nightlight.

I am Pete Chihuahua and it is the day before Halloween.

Very exciting night here as we broadcast statewide from beautiful downtown Green Bay.

Steady Eddie says he's in the 608 in response to our question of the night was, how do you feel about daylight savings, more AM or PM light?

He says, Pete, I favor ending daylight savings time.

As a compromise, maybe we could split the difference.

Next March, we could spring forward a half hour and then never change the clocks again.

Am I King Solomon or is there some flaw in my logic?

There is nothing flawed about you Steady Eddie.

I absolutely love your

text.

Todd Todd Michaels might disagree, but I love it.

That laughter you're hearing is my pal Todd Michaels.

He's back on Nightlight and it's so great to have you here, buddy.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you?

How have you been?

Doing very well.

It's great to hear your voice.

It's great to see you on the stream and very excited to talk about, I mean, this is

This is your season, buddy, right?

I mean, you must be excited about Halloween.

I don't wanna make, I don't wanna be presumptuous, but I assume you like Halloween, given you're a paranormal investigator.

Yeah, absolutely.

I don't think that I get to celebrate it as much, maybe as some other people.

I stay pretty busy when I'm not working, I'm still working.

So I don't know that I necessarily partake in a lot of Halloween stuff, but my Halloween,

typically is basically bookend with great scary movies.

Like I start

watching

all the classics from Amityville horror to the exorcist, you know, all that kind of stuff.

And I kind of weed my way around to the end of the season.

And then by that time you're at like Halloween 142 where, you know, Jason or Michael or whoever the heck comes back and they're not even an actual person anymore.

They're just a hologram.

But somehow they're still killing people, you know?

Right.

We, uh, where do you put the shining on that list?

You know, that is a really, here's the, that's such an interesting movie.

And I have actually gone to the Stanley out in Colorado and stayed and investigated there and stuff like that, which is what that movie is based upon.

It's pretty good.

I mean, it's kind of a freaky little movie.

Um, I think Shelly Duvall was probably the scariest part of the movie.

Don't you think she was a little freaky?

Well, that's interesting.

Well, she had that cigarette with the ash that was about three inches long at the end of it.

And you're just waiting for that thing to

fall off.

It was horrifying.

It was horrifying.

There was more anticipation for that than when Jack Nicholson banged down the door and said, here's Johnny, you know?

Exactly.

So all right, this is what we were talking earlier, Todd.

I want to talk about the conjuring, but did you watch the Ed Gein monster series on Netflix?

So

I started it.

And I, you know, I don't mind a little dramatization when it comes to paranormal stuff.

Cause you have to, and even, you know, stories like Ed Gein, you need a little something to kind of, Ed's just the kind of topic where I don't think you need to dramatize dramatize

much because he's

so freaky.

And I also couldn't get over the woman from the Connors and Roseanne that was in it.

Yeah, I really, really like her and

I love

her.

I do too.

She's comedic timing is unbelievable.

I just, I had a hard time seeing her in that and not seeing Aunt Jackie, you know, it was very

hard

for me or her character from Big Bang Theory or whatever.

It was just very hard for me to kind of pull that out.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I knew a couple of reviews I read kind of made me not want to watch it.

You know, I mean, I agree with you.

He's interesting enough and weird enough that you don't have to take liberties, right?

Right.

All right.

So let's jump in, Todd.

I find this fascinating.

I have not seen any of the Conjuring movies.

I'm not a horror guy, but I am going to watch them now.

I didn't know it was based on a real house.

So you said there's some news around the sale of the house and the house itself.

Please elaborate.

Well, this gets a little deep into the paranormal world, but I'll tell you a little bit about the house.

So the house is real.

It was actually built around 1736.

So it's been around a long, long time.

And the family that owned the property between about 1970 and the early 80s was the parent family.

And they're the ones that were kind of depicted in the conjuring series, at least the first rendition of the conjuring.

And they had just a ton of stuff going on during that time.

And Ed and Lorraine Warren did come out to investigate the Conjuring House.

And that's where the whole series of Conjuring films came from.

But since they got rid of the house and today several other people have purchased the house, it was kind of turned into a hotspot for paranormal investigators.

Maybe some people that didn't have really good intentions bought that house and some things have kind of

gone badly for the current owners that just got rid of the house.

So yeah, in order to basically save the house in the world of the paranormal Pete, they reached out to one of the original ghost hunters, Jason Hawes.

He was part of the original ghost hunting team that started the TV show back in like the early 2000s, which really kicked off paranormal investigating in general.

And so he's doing a GoFundMe right now with just average people across the country raising money to basically save this house so that everyday people can spend maybe $150 to spend a night there and investigate.

Instead

of spending like $1,500 or $2,000 a person to go in and see if there's any ghosts around.

So I think right now they've raised a total of only like 100.

I want to say 150,000.

So they got a long way to go to hit that 1.5 million.

But there are people actually giving money to help save this part of paranormal history from basically being taken in, you know.

Wow.

So how did that go from, I assume a producer just heard about this and optioned the story.

And that's how it became the franchise.

Yeah.

I mean, the story's been out there for a long time and

Obviously the Ed and Lorraine Warren story was out there as well.

They were investigators who really made their mark in the late sixties through early eighties investigating places like the Amityville horror and the conjuring house and things like that.

And somebody went into the parent family and said, listen, we want to tell your story.

And the parent family, I think kind of agreed with it, even though they truly believe that, you know, it was dramatized way over the top.

Many of the things

in the movie.

They forcibly remove the Warrens from the house.

Well, the parents did.

Yes.

In fact, Papa parent apparently literally almost knocked Ed Warren out because they didn't want them there.

So there's there's a whole side story.

You're right.

Amanda on that as well.

But yeah, you know, they take some liberties when they tell the story.

But still, this house has kind of gone through ownership changes.

And as the changes have happened,

It's gotten harder for people to get in there and investigate.

And the owners keep getting a little crazier and crazier every time somebody spends more money to buy this thing.

So.

My guest is Todd Michaels.

He is a paranormal investigator and one of the producers of the show, Haunted State, which you can check out on Amazon Prime.

He also hosts the podcast, Real Ghost Stories Online and a true crime guest.

Oh my God,

look at me there.

You see me on the screen?

That's from the show.

Did you find that, Amanda?

That was a great, listen, that's a great show.

I love that Wisconsin is haunted like that.

I mean, let me ask you this though, Todd, before we move on, why are you surprised that people, like, because regular people have lived there in the conjuring house, right?

Knowing the history?

Well, you know, and again, a lot of people live in haunted houses, Pete.

I don't know how deep and dark the actual history of that house truly is.

The movies make it out to seem pretty evil.

And I

think some things did happen there.

But, you know, there are people who live in haunted houses every day and just kind of deal with it.

You get, you get by and some people don't mind it so much.

Wow.

So listen,

if I found the perfect house, if it had, listen, if it had avocado green appliances,

and it had shag carpeting and some really bad wood paneling in the house.

And I could get it for a dime and it was haunted, I would go there.

That would be my thing.

Does it have a talking dog at the same time that perhaps likes Scooby snacks?

Blood stains in the

carpet.

I see what you're going, she's going for Scooby-Doo.

That's what she's doing.

Listen, I wouldn't say no if there was a van that went along with that.

that had the mystery machine painted on the side.

Perfect.

Be all over that.

That's right.

Jinkies.

What is the worst thing that's happened there that you know of at the Conjuring House that really happened?

Well, the thing is the history goes back a long way.

As far as the haunting, I don't think a lot of things have really happened.

As far as I know, there haven't been any situations where there's actual manifestations or

somebody getting possessed or anything like that.

A lot of it actually happened in the early days of it.

It was actually not paranormal stuff that went on.

There were a lot of fights and land ownership struggles and stuff like that in that part of the country at that time.

And I think there was probably some death that was around that facility.

But I don't know that there was a lot of bad stuff haunting wise that went down at the actual house.

PG on the stream says, so once again, people are the real monsters.

There you go.

Listen, I will tell you right now, and I think I said this the last time I was on, as I'm getting more into the crime world as well with Hidden Killers, that podcast, human beings are scarier than paranormal.

Ed Gein is scarier than a ghost,

right?

Jeffrey Dahmer is scarier than a ghost.

And so you're absolutely right about that, PG.

Todd, when you're investigating paranormal activity, when you're doing it, are you excited to find something that's never been found before or just to confirm something you've heard?

What's your passion when you're actually investigating?

I think it really depends on the location.

some of the stories or the lore that goes with that location.

I think early on in my investigating life, I've been doing this for a couple of decades, but I think for me, you start off, you want to go out, you want to get scared.

It's just like being kids and going out and spending a night in a graveyard, right?

You go and

do it

just to be scared.

And I think most people start investigating for that reason, but right now I think that my goal is if we can somehow communicate,

and find evidence of something there and open the door for whatever's there to let us know something, whatever it is.

Say something that's going to mean something for that spirit, that energy, or for somebody that may still be living, helping whatever's there, either move on, communicate, whatever.

Kind of understand why it's still sticking around.

Why are you still here?

Why aren't you off vacationing

in

the Poconos or something like

that?

Is that proof of an afterlife in any way?

I don't know because our understanding of what ghosts are may not be the full understanding of it.

The more I investigate, the more I really start to feel like there's maybe a timeline shift or somehow it's tied into

This is scary, but maybe, you know, aliens or, you know, as Bigfoot involved in all this and there's some sort of like a window where, you know, wormholes and stuff like, I mean, I just don't know.

I think that we are trying to simplify something that we just can't quite understand.

So we obviously go to, this is a dead person just kind of roaming around a building, a house, a location.

All right, after a really short break, we'll have a few minutes left.

I'm gonna ask you, in your opinion, Todd, what the most

extraordinary finding was in the paranormal community since its inception.

Or think of a big one, if you could.

Okay.

And

then also like regions where it's more typical.

PJ also says, Amanda, Amanda, you are doing awesome.

Hang in there, Green Bay buttons are hard anyway because they are all green and gold.

There you go.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Pete also says, yeah, Pete forgot and quotes his pants again.

It happens.

Don't judge.

We're coming right back to close this up with our Paltot Michaels at Speechwaba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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We don't really have any spooky stuff coming up, but Mike Clemens will be here, Civic Media Sports Authority.

He'll give us an update on the Packers, the Bucks, maybe the World Series.

And it's a bar band Friday night.

Terry Barr will be here with outstanding music, as always, and really fun chat.

So be sure and join us tomorrow if you're done trick-or-treating.

Tune in and be part of the show.

Mike, special thanks to our pal Emerson Lehman for coming into the studio tonight.

Todd Woodard, I killed you to come into the studio.

Yeah, it really would have.

That drive, I'm so glad I don't have to do that anymore, trust

me.

I'm still plugging away and I need new tires.

Dude, that's the worst.

It's only 1200 bucks though, because it's a hybrid.

And my thanks to that man I'm talking to right now, Todd Michaels.

And Monday on the show, producer Doug Prey and Joel Murray from Chicago PD will be here too.

So lots of fun guests coming up over the next few days.

You're gonna be here too on Monday, right Amanda?

Conrad will not be back.

You will

not.

You will not, okay.

All right, Todd Michaels is here, a paranormal investigator.

We are talking to Todd.

We just finished a discussion about the conjuring house.

Before the break, Todd, I asked you, what have been some of the biggest discoveries in the paranormal community since its inception?

Well, I mean, the community goes way, way back.

I

think, though, that I think the normalization of

investigating paranormal probably was one of the biggest things.

And I think two things really led to that.

And whether you believe them or you think they were, you know, snake oil sellers or whatever, Ed and Lorraine Warren did a lot to bring paranormal research to the forefront.

And as I said, a lot of people disagree with whether or not they did it right or they had the right intentions and all that kind of stuff.

But putting that aside,

they kind of put themselves on the line to get out there and say, yes, this is haunted or we're, we are investigating ghosts and here's the equipment we use and this is what we do.

Before that, there were a few, there are a few people that did go out there that, that did that, but they really brought it to pop culture.

You saw them in newspapers, you heard their stories.

Of course, the Amityville horror came out that book, which became a movie.

And again, whether or not you believe that house in Amityville, New York was haunted or not,

It brought it to the forefront and that was really that time period, the late 70s and early 80s, really was a time when people were starting to accept that maybe what our parents were telling us all these years, that ghosts aren't real, may not be the full story.

And I think those few things kind of together open people's minds to at least accept the possibility that the things we see and feel and touch and all that kind of stuff on a daily basis.

may not be all there is going on around us.

Wow.

Great answer.

Um,

two great shows to, uh, in search of Leonard Nimoy.

Remember that?

Oh yeah.

That was a great show, whether it was paranormal or it was big foot or whatever.

Again, that show did a lot of stuff to kind of open people's minds.

And the other one was Robert Stack on unsolved

mysteries.

Yeah.

I got

to tell you, there's a great Wisconsin tie in with that.

There was a story back in the, uh, I'm going to say probably mid to late eighties about a bunk bed in a horror con, Wisconsin.

Oh yeah.

A haunted bunk bed in horror con.

And it was featured on, on, on solid mysteries.

And that was a big deal back in the day.

Little horror con, Wisconsin, you know, this poor family is getting tormented by a bunk bed.

And I have to tell you that the funniest thing as we do the real ghost stories online podcast, I would say in a 12 month period, we probably have six or seven or eight phone calls or stories written

in

from people who have had experiences.