Trapper Schoepp’s Musical Journey (Hour 2)

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A guy who loves to watch true crime, but only if it's shoplifting, Pete Schwabba.

Welcome back tonight, ladies and gentlemen.

Great to have you with me on this Tuesday night.

It's a fun show.

Something feels different tonight, Conrad.

I don't think it's just the smell coming from the kitchen, either.

I think there's something really in the air.

I think it's that salad you had.

Is it the salad?

I don't think so.

Man, I have never had that many vegetables in one sitting.

They just packed it because what happened was she started making my salad and She forgot that she was making the wrong salad So I had all these vegetables she already put in there and then she had to finish making the salad I ordered it was like I was like eating an entire garden.

You know, that's that's good Yeah, it's healthy.

Yeah, get the greens.

That's right.

It is great to have you here folks It's a Tuesday night and in case you were not here during the first hour.

Oh Man, did you miss some serious fun?

We talked about my paper cut

which I'm muscling through.

I'm not, I'm not, you know, it's paper cut, but it was one of those foil things you peel off almonds.

It could be used as a weapon.

I've seen, I've seen less, more weaponry in spy movies.

This could have killed someone.

Yeah.

I just, I don't know.

I'm thinking lawsuit.

I'm thinking I'm going to be retired in a year.

Now, I can, if I sue for damages, it's how much is a bandaid?

Four cents.

Yeah, like for something around there.

Okay, but pain and suffering Couldn't net me another mill so I'll keep you guys posted We also talked about Nick Cannon who has 12 kids from six Y's and has just launched a relationship advice podcast I think I know what the advice would be Have unprotected sex

Yeah, you're right

and that's the way to go if you can swing it

All kinds of fun stuff though.

Trapper's Shep will be here at 7.20, folks.

It's an article, an interview we did yesterday because Trapper's a busy guy.

He's playing all over the state and he's got a couple more dates coming up.

So we had to squeeze him in on a Monday afternoon.

So we'll air that at 7.20.

So we will only be live for about 15 more minutes.

So get those texts in your favorite Robert Redford movie.

And then we will close up the show live anyway at 720 and play my interview with Trappershap.

We also play a couple of his great songs.

He's got a new album out called Osborne and a great song called Loaded about prescription painkiller addiction.

Something he went through, a very personal song.

And then he tells the story about how he collaborated with Bob Dylan for the song On Wisconsin.

And we will play both of those tunes during the interview.

So you won't want to miss that.

Are we up to date, Con?

What do I miss?

Yeah, I think we got just a couple more texts.

I'm like day four without gelato.

Speaking of addictions,

you know, I had some today.

I worked out and then had gelato.

So I was like, you know, whatever,

you've earned it.

You could do that at your age.

That's that's the great thing.

Yes, we have we have some more texts.

We'll get those.

Let's do that now.

And then let's play a clip from one of my favorite movies of all time.

715 says three days of the condor.

Yeah, another one I kind of forgot about.

Great movie.

Robert Redford goes out to get lunch.

He comes back.

Everyone in the office he works at is murdered.

And it's just this great kind of high octane sort of film, great film.

John from Madison says, Sundance gave us Quentin Tarantino and many more great directors.

Many that Peter probably knows, which is so, so cool.

I don't know Quentin Tarantino, John.

Unfortunately, I would love to.

I think he's brilliant.

and loved once upon a time in Hollywood.

I like most of his stuff a lot.

Well, let's see, what else do we have here?

John also says, oh, I already read that one.

Jim from Appleton says, okay, there are too many to choose ones.

Here's a few.

Situation hopeless, but not serious.

Three days of the Condor, Captain America Winter Soldier.

How do you

like that?

I was waiting for someone to text that in, because he made his way into the Marvel Universe and he did a great job.

I totally forgot he was in that.

He plays pretty much the bad guy in

it.

Yeah.

And then he also, Jim also puts the great Waldo Pepper, which I have not seen as well.

So there you go.

Some great films, great suggestions and texts tonight, folks.

All right, I want to play this clip.

This is from one of my favorite films of all time, but probably definitely maybe my favorite Robert De Niro film.

This is from The Sting.

Paul Newman has just

Swindled Bernard Shaw, whose character is called Doyle Lannigan.

They played poker.

They roped him in.

He beat him.

He outcheated Doyle Lannigan, who is this big mobster from New York, coming to Chicago on the train to clean things up because Robert Redford's character ripped off the mob.

So now they're trying to con Doyle Lannigan.

So Paul Newman and Robert Redford are in cahoots.

Paul Newman just beat him.

on the train at poker, took a few grand, and Robert Redford is trying to cozy up to Doyle Lahnigan.

Great clip on the train, here we

go.

Shaw's been planning to beat your game for months.

He's just been waiting for you to cheat him, so he could clip

you.

Who do you think you're talking to, Aaron Boy?

Nobody sets me up.

Take him back to the baggage room.

Put one in

easier.

I saved her with four witnesses at that table.

And go back.

Get another damn son of a bitch.

We'll dump him in the first tunnel we hit.

Doyle, we're going to be in the station in a couple of minutes.

Thinking it'll look too good, you killing the guy you owe money to.

There's better ways of taking him down.

What do

you think Shaw'd do to me if he knew what I was telling you this?

Okay.

Why the rat?

I want to take over his operation and I need you to help me break him.

There's my money.

Shaw's got it.

How the hell could I ask him to work back?

We're pulling in.

I'm giving you a lift home.

I was supposed to go with Shaw.

Explain it to him somehow.

Everybody's expecting I'm giving you a lift home.

You follow?

Yeah, sure.

So great.

And if you haven't seen this thing, rent it tonight or buy it.

Because the scene right before that where Paul Newman swindles Doyle Lonning and out of the money is hilarious.

It is Paul Newman at his best, just insulting this guy.

It's brilliant.

We have another scene too.

What's the other one?

Oh, from the way we were.

I sent that one to you, correct?

Yeah, this is the one with...

The pie.

The pie.

And then I send three clips too.

And Butch Cassidy.

And Butch Cassidy.

So we played, I'll confuse now because we played, okay, we played Butch Cassidy on Todd's show.

So let's play that one next time.

This is from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

They're pinned on a mountain and surrounded and they're trying to figure out how they're gonna get out of this predicament.

Robert Redford, Paul Newman.

Kid, the next time I say let's go someplace like Bolivia, let's go someplace like Bolivia.

Next time.

Ready?

No, we'll jump.

Like hell we will.

No, it'll be okay.

If the water's deep enough, we don't get squished to death.

They'll never follow us.

How do you know?

Would you make a jump like that and you didn't have to?

I have to, and I'm not gonna.

Well, we got to, otherwise we're dead.

They're just gonna have to go back down the same way they come.

Come on.

Just one clear shot.

That's all I want.

Come on.

We got you.

Get away from me.

Why?

I want to fight him.

He'll kill us.

Maybe.

You want to die?

Do you?

All right.

I'll jump first.

Nope.

Then you jump first.

No, I said.

What's the matter

with you?

I can't swim!

crazy, the fall will

probably kill you.

Have you ever seen that movie?

No.

It's worth a look.

All right, and I've got one final one here.

This is Robert Redford with Barbara Streisand.

This is a film, I think this was the second film he did.

It's called The Way We Were and he played

the same character on Broadway for Neil Simon, and now he's in the movie version with Barbara Streisand.

He's in military garb, the dress, pants, and coat, and she is running across the street with groceries.

And I'll just leave it at that, kind of an iconic scene.

Hey.

I wasn't sure when you'd be home.

How are you?

Look, I don't know when I'll be back.

Because you leave a key or...

No, you can't.

You can't.

You can't.

I've got steaks and baked potatoes and sour cream and chives and salad and fresh baked pie.

I would have made a porous.

I make a terrific porous, but I didn't know whether you ever had porous or whether you like porous.

I mean, anyway, there wasn't time because it should be made the day before.

So I got steaks with all my ration stamps.

And you must be hungry because, I mean, with all the hotel hunting, you couldn't have had time to eat or anything.

I mean, you can't go yet.

You've got to stay for some, but that's all there is to it.

What kind of pie?

Well, you cut a huge pause

out of that one.

Yeah, I gotta say that that sounds pretty good.

Steaks, chives,

potatoes, pie.

Oh, man, forget

it.

Absolutely.

That's a nice home-cooked

meal.

There is a long pause there where he just kind of looks at her and finally, I'm not kidding, like five seconds says, what kind of pie?

It's a great scene, very iconic scene.

Robert Redford, rest in peace.

Let's get back to some text here before we end the live part of the show.

Steady Eddie from the 608 says, Pete, happy Monday back at ya.

Does anybody really know what time it is or day it is?

Does anybody really care?

The Robert Edford movie I'm remembering tonight is the natural, took me back to a fantasy time that never really existed in America, but I wish we could go back there again.

Steady Eddie, PS, the egg came first.

That is in reference to chicken or the egg photography.

Thank you steady Eddie for getting our sponsors name in there again Steady Eddie says I had a paper cut the other day.

Don't worry.

The doctor says I'll be okay.

We'll both get through this steady Eddie We got a partner in crime Tom from New Berlin says great show great listeners.

That's the energy tonight Robert legacy.

He would love well said Tom.

Thank you, buddy Always great to have you to have you listening Did we did we cover everything we got all our clips look at this?

We got Trapper Shep coming up in a couple minutes.

We have a lot of, well, all week is just great guests, but tomorrow night specifically, I'm very excited, my pal Greg Schwem will be here.

He is a syndicated columnist for Tribune Media Services.

He's gonna tell us about a really cool comedy event coming up, and we'll discuss some of his articles.

And then Appleton Native Son, an actor, Mike McGill will be here at 635.

Mike has great credits.

He's a...

very successful working actor.

He's been on Shameless and the show Bosch.

And he sent me a clip last night of a movie, a short film, I think it is called Penny.

I haven't watched it yet.

I got to watch it tonight, but he's in it with our pal Lance Barballs.

Barballs isn't that one.

Pete Schwaballs.

Is that, is that weird that two adults had balls to each other's last?

Lance started it.

That's just his thing.

You know, I feel like once you get that nickname and it sticks, you just,

you never change it.

You can't get rid of it.

So maybe Mike has a similar experience or he and Lance call each other by genitalia names.

I don't know.

But Mike will be here tomorrow, very excited to meet Mike on the air and we'll be back to do it all again.

What else am I missing?

Check out Chicken and the Egg Photography, folks.

Chris does a great job.

He specializes in food, event music and product photography for...

businesses across Wisconsin and the Midwest.

See what he can do for you at chicken or the egg photography.com.

I'll be back tomorrow night, folks.

I'd like to thank Susan Kearns and thank, uh, thank Treppers Shop for coming up in just a minute here.

Thank you for all your texts and calls.

Rest in peace, Robert Redford.

And on behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba.

We'll be

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Hey, this is John Legend and you're listening to Night Light with Pete

Schwabba.

We are barreling through a Tuesday night here at Nightlight folks broadcasting live statewide from beautiful downtown Green Bay.

Great to have you with me and you know we've had so many great musical guests on this show before and this one in particular my next guest is someone I've been looking forward to having on the show for quite some time.

He is very well known here in Wisconsin and respected nationally as well and he has collaborated with Bob Dylan.

Among many others, and he's got a new album out called Osborne, and it's great.

It is my pleasure to welcome to Nightlight Trappership.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, brother, how you doing?

Doing really well.

I'm glad we finally lined this up, because I've been very eager to have you on the show, so I really appreciate the time.

Yeah, it's on.com.

Thank you for having me.

All right, very cool.

Our pleasure.

What are you, I know you just finished a bunch of dates and I know you have a couple album release parties coming up.

Are you just having downtime right now or just kind of writing or what's your life like at the moment?

I'm looking at some sunflowers in the back of my yard.

They're about to blossom bloom and hanging with my dog Leroy and getting ready for some release shows.

One in Minneapolis on September 19th, Milwaukee is September 27th and Madison September 26th and going to Europe in the fall as well.

So

yeah.

So it's a perfect time to literally stop and smell the flowers right now before things get a little more crazy.

So that's outstanding.

Well,

Let's start with your new album, Osborne.

It was just released a couple months ago.

I love the story behind the album and where you were at the time and where you got the idea for the title.

Can you give us a little background?

Yes, I was in a rehab facility in Minnesota and I was in the Osborne unit.

And lo and behold, Ozzy Osborne had attended that same rehab facility.

Now the name Osborne, it's one letter off from his surname.

But the patient sort of appropriated it to be kind of the heavy metal Aussie unit, if you will.

So I wrote some songs when I was in there, kind of reflecting on the raw state I was in at the moment.

And it's kind of crazy, like going back and revisiting some of that now.

But yeah, some of the songs were born out of the Osborne unit.

Yeah.

That's so cool.

Did you feel, you know, I mean, I'm sure as a performer, as an artist, did you kind of feel his presence?

Or I know you I think you said Eric Clapton stayed there.

One of his guitars was there.

Did you feel inspired at all or feel sort of their presence?

I suppose.

Yeah.

I mean, it was not my intent to go there and work on.

Music right, but they did encourage journaling and writing and okay, so I guess it was it was kind of a way to channel some of what I was going through at the moment.

Yeah,

very cool Did you you're kind of a I hate to pigeonhole you trapper because you seem to mix genres But did you ever like an Ozzy Osbourne's a legend did you ever go down that path of hard rock?

Well in the album there's a couple tunes that are like harder I suppose There's a song called Satan is real Satan is a Sackler inspired by the the Sackler family who and or big pushers of painkillers, but So yeah, there is some hard rock on the album for sure

But yeah, I've been a bit of a musical chameleon, and I don't know.

It's not always easy to pin me down musically, which can work for me and against me in certain ways, but it's been kind of fun to hop around.

Yeah, for sure.

All right, so when we we have a few more minutes here We're gonna do a break and then we're gonna play a song off the new album Osborne and it's a great song Can you in fact if you don't mind elaborating a little bit on that Trapper the song we're gonna hear in a couple minutes is called loaded And it's a great song.

Tell us a little bit about the inspiration behind that even though you kind of just alluded to it a little bit

Yeah, I think in my 20s

I

Struggled a bit as a result of having spinal surgery.

I got You know pretty dependent or addicted as they say on these meds.

It wasn't wasn't your classic Addiction like you might hear about in the news.

Nothing sexy.

It was treating chronic pain

right

and from spinal surgery, but um Yeah, I kind of just um

looked at these medicines and the pill bottles, and I kind of joked in my head that they were like kind of loaded guns in a way.

And I kind of thought of the prescriptions that way much later.

But yeah, so the song Loaded is inspired by that.

And then the music video features a friend of the program, as I have learned, Mark Borechart.

He's like,

the evil prescribing doctor.

So check out the music video for that.

We filmed it in a break room.

They call it in Milwaukee, like where you go and you break a bunch of stuff.

It's cathartic or whatever, you know.

Oh, cool.

Go.

All right trapper chef is here ladies and gentlemen He is a Wisconsin based singer songwriter more specifically Milwaukee, and he has done some really cool stuff I finally got him on the show, and I'm thrilled and we were talking about mark Bortchart a mutual friend of ours mark shares every post we do from nightlight so trapper I don't know what you did to get him in this movie, but I actually cast him in a movie He shares post but he's like you know what Pete?

I just don't want to come on the air, and I totally respect that he is a great guy

And we are gonna play a trapper song loaded when we come back from a break.

And if you want, Google the video and check out Mark Borchart and his great work in the video too.

We are coming right back.

It's Night Light with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

I'm Pete Schwab, and this is Nightlight.

Great to have you with me on this Tuesday night.

That is a song, Hurricane, by Bob Dylan, that we'll talk about with our current guest in just a few minutes.

He is Trapper Shep, a Wisconsin-based singer-songwriter, and we are proud to call him a Wisconsinite.

We were talking about your song, Loaded.

and you mentioned you got Mark Borchart in the video, and I was saying that I would love to have him on the show.

He's a good friend, but he just doesn't want to do it.

What did you have to do to get him out of retirement when it comes to being on camera?

Oh, I don't know.

Mark's a neighbor in a pal.

Oh, nice.

So it wasn't too much of a stretch, but yeah, I'm not sure, to be honest.

but he's a great personality and great source of inspiration and energy in the community.

And I don't know, I think he's drawn to projects that interest him and he's just a great guy, so.

Could not agree more.

All right, well, without further ado, let's hear.

This is off the album Osborne, Trapper Shep's latest work, and it's called Loaded, and it is a great song.

I went to the doctor and the doctor said me do you do you do you do you make any money or not

kinda slow

I can't see them

Like a tambourine where I won't hit.

All to be a crime, the whole world should know your face on a truth.

That was loaded.

A great song by my current guest, Mr. Trapper Shep, a Milwaukee-based singer-songwriter who has collaborated with some great people and put out really excellent material.

Trapper, do you have a song when you tour or when you play live that people want to hear the most or request the most?

Oh, I wish I had a big hit like that, man.

No, there are certain tunes though from from back in the day and on Wisconsin you mentioned that people like to hear that in Wisconsin I suppose right but Yeah, I don't know.

I'm not sure you'd have to ask the people

Well, we will get Rick Conrad take a memo.

Let's get on that and find out what people's favorite song is of trappers Trapper you mentioned on Wisconsin a great song and I don't know that

I'm sure most of the people know the story behind this and how you you kind of found this song and finished it.

But it was a song written by Bob Dylan, but not quite finished like 50 years ago.

And it's called on Wisconsin.

You finished it.

Can you tell us a little bit about that process, how you found the song and what made you want to finish it?

Indeed.

Well, you know, Bob Dylan is one of my my childhood heroes for one.

He's sort of

invented what I do in a sense.

He's one of the greats, no doubt.

And in 1960, on the day he was recording his first album, he wrote a song just called Wisconsin.

And it was like four verses.

And it did not make the cut on that first album.

And 57 years later, I was scrolling through the internet.

And his older roommate had posted just this sheet of lyrics as like a relic, you know, a novelty item for auction, $30,000.

And I thought, well, it's sort of in the tradition of folk music to sort of pick up where one generation is left off.

So I took it upon myself without his permission to

Finish the song so I set it to music we added a chorus my band Did a great job playing it all together and then we put it out there on the internet and Eventually rolling stone took notice and billboard took notice you eventually took notice and Bob Dylan's lawyers took notice too and It was good though.

They said how would you feel about?

You know publishing this song with Bob Dylan for the very first time and I said I feel really good about that so Yeah, that that was kind of how it happened.

That's the spark notes Version of course.

Yeah Yeah, it was it was cool.

It was a trip and I kind of share a co-writing credit with that songwriting giant like that is it's pretty cool

It's incredible.

And did you see Blowing in the Wind?

Or the movie?

The movie, yeah.

What was it called?

The new movie, A Complete Unknown, you mean?

Oh, I'm sorry.

A Complete Unknown,

yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think the kid did a good job.

Yeah.

A tall order.

A tall order.

Absolutely.

I want to ask you, I mentioned sometimes how you do, you know, you write stuff that fall, could fall into different genres.

For someone like you, who is truly, you know, not pigeonholed into one genre or one type of music, is it harder to find a producer who has a grasp of what you're looking for?

Or is it easier because of kind of the uniqueness of your material?

Well, I think it's easier to find a producer, it's harder to find an audience for it, right?

Because

When things aren't easily understood in this world that likes categories, it can be challenging to kind of find where it's going to be heard.

But I just got off a call with a music supervisor type who places things in TV and film.

And I just did a whole album of pop songs for more TV and film.

commercial work.

And that's so specific, right?

But I think my albums tend to go where they want to go.

And there's good and bad in that, I suppose.

But yeah, I think it's maybe easier for a country artist because it's like, hey, I'm country.

And

I'm like, hey, I'm trapper.

I'm not sure what I am.

You know what I mean,

so.

Absolutely.

Pros and pros and cons, I

guess.

My guest is Trapper Shep.

He is a Milwaukee-based singer-songwriter who has collaborated with Bob Dylan, and we are going to hear that song in just a minute.

So we've got about a minute.

We'll get the song going, Trapper, and I think we'll let it just take us to the break, and we'll come back and wrap things up afterwards.

But aside from Bob Dylan, you've got so many great influences.

Who else do you like to work

with?

Who do I like to work with?

Well, the latest producer is a fellow named Mike Viola, who's really the power pop gem of a producer.

And he kind of, he wrote and sang that song, That Thing You Do, famously, but his albums are really cool in his own right.

He's kind of a shapeshifter songwriter guy as well.

So yeah, he's great to work with.

We worked with Pat from the band Wilco on an album I did at Johnny Cash's Cabin, which is a whole other

story.

Oh, wow.

But yeah, so yeah, I've been fortunate, I guess.

Well, this is great.

I've been able to connect with people.

Yeah, we're gonna, all right, we're gonna play the song on Wisconsin.

This is the song that Trapper finished for Bob Dylan.

He was like the lefty out of the bullpen and it's a great song.

We'll take this to the break.

We'll come back and wrap things up with our pal Trapper Shep.

It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Yeah, Wisconsin is a dairy steak, as you all know it well.

I was in Wauwatosa.

The truth, I will tell.

It's a milk and cheese and cream.

Yes, I've known it all my days.

And I'm going back to my hometown.

I'm leaving right away.

I'm ahead of it.

To Wisconsin, 2,000 miles to go Madison, Milwaukee, since my heart ain't glow I'm coming to that state and my heart's beating fast And I'll jerk my banjo gently Twiddle my mustache on Wisconsin On Wisconsin

Runs are coming out, it seems I'll tune my banjo in the hills and feast on milk and cream and I'll stand

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I'm Pete Schwab, and this is Night Light.

You've got the Civic Media Radio Network for a few more minutes here on this Tuesday edition of Night Light.

My guest is Trapper Shep, Milwaukee-based singer-songwriter.

And what you just heard before the break was the song On Wisconsin that he collaborated with Bob Dylan, ladies and gentlemen.

That is the Bob Dylan, not the guy named Bob Dylan from Wausau.

This is the actual Bob Dylan.

Great song, Trapper.

Really enjoyed that.

Thank you.

I'd be curious to know what Bob Dylan from Wausau has up his sleeve as well.

He is no slouch.

I'll tell you that.

You might just look at his lyrics.

That's all I'm saying.

So this is fun.

You've got, I did some research on you.

I read this article that said, you hurt yourself in a biking accident.

And that's when you started playing guitar.

And I love the moment when I talk to artists that they can look back on and say, that's when it all started.

Is that when it all started for you was when you got that first guitar?

And if not, when was that moment for you where you were like, I'm doing this?

Yeah, I think it was probably, yeah, I herniated the disc in my back.

My mom said, here, you should maybe try this.

It could be safer than hurling yourself off giant dirt jumps and breaking your back.

So yeah, I would say that was...

the defining moment and you know, I was listening to a Watching a movie in my basement in the song hurricane by Bob Dylan came on that you played earlier and there was that like a Minor chord and it just was like boom, you know the the man Bob telling that story was such conviction and his voice wasn't perfect and I thought

Wow, maybe I could sing a song too.

I don't you know my voice doesn't have to be be dialed See I think I think definitely hearing his music at a young age had a big impact on me

Wow, that's great.

And you're very similar to him too I mean I'm not a music expert or anything, but you you seem to take chances with lyrics you use humor to win your songs

Does that just, when you're writing a song, is that just the way things kind of transpire?

Or do you set out to say, this song, I have a funny idea.

I want to put this in a song.

How does it work for you?

Yeah, I think in, you know, you need a balance in your music, the darkness and the light.

Sure.

And yeah, I think humor is always a good solution when you're stuck.

in maybe a darker subject in the song, you're lighting things up.

Even if people don't pick up on it, you pick up on it or the guy who's got to sing it.

Sure.

I noticed you, I love your song, Wildfire too.

That was one of the songs I found online.

And you said you were influenced a little bit by Bruce Springsteen.

Is he kind of, where do you put him in terms of legendary songwriters?

Well, he's the boss, right?

All

right.

I guess he's the boss.

I love what John Stewart, I think, said about, you know, Bob Dylan at least, or Bruce Springsteen.

It was like if Bob Dylan and James Brown had a love child, it would come out as a Bruce Springsteen.

No, I just love Bruce's lyrics and I think he has a great spirit about him.

You know, he's been through so much and he's had so many different chapters and he's really honest and vulnerable with his lyrics and him just the way he carries himself.

So yeah, I think there's a lot to aspire to with the boss.

Indeed.

Just curious, but have you ever heard his Devils and Dust

album?

Oh yeah, I love that.

Me

too.

That's a beautiful one.

It's like right up there with Nebraska as far as I'm concerned.

The lyrics are absolutely incredible.

My guest is Trapper Shep.

You can see him at...

The Burroke in Madison, September 26th for an album release party or September 27th in Milwaukee at Vavarium.

I hope I'm saying that right.

Before we let you go, Trapper, we got about a minute or two left.

I talk about movies and TV a lot on this show as well as comedy and music.

Are you binge watching anything that you could recommend?

Big time.

I'm on my first.

First tried through the X files right now with Mulder and Scully at the wheel.

Yeah.

So I don't know, I don't need to recommend that to anyone, but I love it.

I just, I think it's super funny and Mulder is just like, you know, wild man detective always, always pushing the envelope and he's always

You know against the system against the man.

He's looking for the truth

right

and that's harder to find these days the truth

indeed

So yeah, I dig it.

He's cool.

That's a great show.

I love the first few seasons and it seemed to kind of Tape her off, but boy those it was just great.

It was so creepy and in

Same, I love David

Covey.

Don't tell me it gets worse.

I want it to get better.

I believe it will as they find the truth.

Oh man, I thought that was about as unspoiler alert as I could be, but I apologize if you find yourself getting bored watching the X-Files.

You won't for a very long time.

It's a great show.

Trapper, thank you so much for your time and sharing your music with us.

I hope we could do this again sometime.

I'm a huge fan.

The truth is out there, trust no one.

And it's in Trapperchepp's music, so check it out and check him out in Madison or Milwaukee on September 26 and 27.

Thank you, buddy.

Yeah, thank you.

You're very welcome.

Conrad, we finally made that happen.

We've been trying to get Trapper on, not like harassing him or anything, but I know Terry Barr introduced us to him and his music is fantastic.

Fun interview.

Very fun guy.

and incredibly talented, obviously.

All right, this is, we got a great show tomorrow night too, folks.

I hope you come back and visit us tomorrow night, where we will have actor Mike McGill from Bosch and Shameless and comedian and syndicated columnist Greg Schwem will be here.

My thanks to Trapper Shep and to you, the listener for all your texts and calls.

Been a fun night here on Nightlight.

On behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night,

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