Wisconsin Quirks and Spooky Stories (Hour 2)

Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay, this is Night Light with Pete Chwaba.

Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.

And now, a guy who once tore his ACL playing chess, Pete Chwaba.

Welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.

It is good to be back.

Wednesday night, version of Nightlight here, over across the beautiful state of Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I've been waiting to say those words for six days.

It is good to be back behind the mic and talking to all of you fantastic listeners.

Thank you for being with me here tonight on Wednesday.

Hope you had a great Pete's Staycation 2025.

Conrad, how did you celebrate Staycation Schwabba Staycation 2025?

you know, last night when John and Gordy were, you know, guest hosting, they were, they were like, it was kind of a spooky theme.

So

they thought

maybe you vanished, actually, instead of a vacation.

Listen, I listened to part of that this morning.

And I was like, oh, I'm really glad I booked Todd Michaels, who's going to talk about the paranormal on

Wednesday.

It's

like, they're going to think we changed the format of the show.

But no, big shout out to John and Gordy.

They are so fun to listen to.

They're like,

Just compliment each other so well.

They're just great at radio and really good guys.

So thank you to John and Gordy for filling in money on Tuesday.

Thank you to Aaron and Aaron Carano and Catherine Lake for filling in on Thursday.

Thank you to Conrad for holding down the fort and who am I missing?

Who else?

Your guest in the best of.

My guest in the best of.

They did a great job too.

Much better than the first time around.

Seriously though, it was great to be back and thank you again to all those fine folks at Civic Media.

Great team.

Great show tonight too.

Coming out of the gate swinging.

We're doing tonight what we do here.

We're going to talk to some really cool guests.

Todd Michaels, our old pal who used to work here at WGVW and Civic Media.

Todd is now doing, he got.

Involved in another endeavor and is crushing it as I as I expected he would Todd will be here at 635 Todd is also a paranormal investigator and he will talk I have some great topics to talk about Todd To talk about with Todd you ever hear of like those planes that just disappear from the sky.

Yeah.

Yeah, there was there was one Over a sea or something.

I forget what it was called

the Malaysia one.

Yes.

Yeah, we're gonna talk about that.

That is so far considered to be the biggest

aviation mystery of all time, like they can't describe it.

So we'll talk about that with Todd.

Todd also mentioned another really cool thing that had not a really cool thing.

A guy passed away, but he also a paranormal investigator around Todd's age was hosting a show and died.

A doll.

Where's one of my questions here?

The Annabelle doll tragedy.

And this just happened recently.

So we're going to talk about that with Todd as well.

So he's always fun to talk to, and I love when he's on Nightlight.

And then our pal Matt Miller will be here in hour number two at 720 talking movies and TV.

Matt is a Milwaukee film critic and a great guest.

Love talking to Matt about movies.

I say movies and TV because they kind of go hand in hand.

But Matt mostly has an emphasis on movies, but we'll find out what Matt is watching as well.

So all that, a great question of the night.

Pete and Conrad, back on the airwaves, all as well in the world, folks.

Hope you're having a great day, and it is great to have you here on this Wednesday.

You know, it's gonna be weird because I took four days off, and it feels like it was part of one week and part of another week.

It feels like two weeks.

It's like, I can't, I don't know if I've ever, I think one other time I took that much time off in a row since I've been here, and it is weird.

It's like.

Wow, maybe I'll just retire.

I don't know if just kind of like sitting here, you know?

You know, when I went to Italy last year, that felt like, like two months.

It felt so long.

It was two weeks.

Two weeks.

Okay.

It felt even longer than that.

Like when you got back, did you have trouble like going, what does this button do again?

I

did

a little bit.

I was like, um, how loud does

this

need to be?

You know, where does this need to be?

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

So, but it is great, uh, great to be back.

I had a great staycation with the family.

We tried to do nothing, and staycations are difficult.

And you guys chime in on this if you have thoughts about staycations, because I think most people do them to save money, which is why we did it this year.

We just couldn't afford to go anywhere real big.

So we stayed at home, and we just said, we're not going to do anything.

That's hard to do when you're in your home.

It's so tempting just to pick up your phone.

or to do something household that you wouldn't do when you're on vacation.

It's a challenge, but we made it work.

I got to go to a fish fry.

I'm not really off on Friday night, so that was fun.

We went to the Little River Country Club in Marinette.

It was glorious.

What was your fish of choice?

I went with the walleye, pan-fried.

You can't go wrong with the walleye.

You can't, but I will say this.

I have very few regrets in life, Conrad, but...

If I could go back to last Friday, I would do deep-fried.

Oh, how do you like that?

I like the crunch.

Yeah, I mean deep-fried perch is one of my favorite things ever.

Yeah.

Even better than that though, deep-fried bluegill.

You've said that before.

I gotta try bluegill.

It's so good.

Yeah, a lot of people, do you like smelt?

I don't think I know what that is.

Is that a fish?

It's a fish.

You catch them like by the thousands in a net.

And then they're really small.

And I think you just pan fry them and butter them.

My dad will order smelt once in a while when we go out.

And I remember when I was a kid, they used to catch them in the rivers in Chicago or something, smelt.

And they would cook it up.

And I was like, that's kind of weird.

It's the most unappealing name I've ever heard

of for a food.

Smelt, yeah.

That sounds like some metal.

Yeah.

Just name it Skank or like.

grossness or something like that.

But I have to say too, you know what, let's get to the, we have a fun question tonight, folks.

And it's a high time I brought up what it was because you guys had a good question last night.

Yeah, it was great.

And we did something like that with was it just ghosts though, but they had aliens and ghosts.

And what was your experience?

I like that that was really

It's nice when you can listen to your own show and learn from maybe a legend.

So, all right, I'm gonna find the, let's do the question of the night.

What do you say?

Let's talk about

the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Pregunta.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

All right, Bloody Mary Chasers, measuring distance.

in time instead of miles.

Those are things we do here in Wisconsin.

So my question of the night, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

What do we do differently here that you like?

We say bubbler instead of drinking fountain.

There are all kinds of things.

And I didn't realize measuring distance in time instead of miles was a thing, but I guess it is.

How far away is that?

About 15 minutes.

How do you know that?

What if I'm walking?

So I thought that really cracked me up.

But let us know what you think.

We say things differently.

People say one of my favorites is Erno.

Yeah,

that's a huge

one.

Here's another one I've noticed.

I love when people say this.

This could be everywhere, but I only noticed it, or I tend to only notice it when I'm in Wisconsin.

When you get to the stoplight, go straight.

Just tell me when to turn, don't tell me.

I don't know, is that

weird?

Is that me being picky?

I'm

gonna go straight until

you say just tell me when to turn

yeah,

and now we have GPS anyway, but that one that one kind of cracked me up And I saw yours a couple can mean anywhere from two to a hundred

You know, it's like you go out with your friends and I'm gonna grab a couple beers and it turns into

a hundred

oh There's there's a couple of guys walking and there's like a whole group

right

There's another one my friend Steve Seager and pointed out he's been on this show and he said in Wisconsin you guys ask questions in a statement like going to the store Pete It's not really a question so those would be my two asking a question as a statement and the urno

Conrad says a couple can mean anywhere from two to 100.

What do you guys say?

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And we want to know what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

So the Bloody Mary Chaser is kind of funny because I don't think you need... Bloody Mary's are not... It's not like you're doing shots of Jameson or Wild Turkey.

They're pretty smooth.

Wild Turkey.

Yeah, it's brutal.

Oh

yeah.

For that, I could see a Chaser.

But like for a Bloody Mary, they give you...

Practically, at some places in Marinette, they give you almost a whole beer.

And here's your chaser.

It's like a free beer.

Okay.

So we have all kinds of fun stuff we do here in Wisconsin that sets us apart, folks.

Let us know what your favorite Wisconsin quirk is.

That is tonight's question.

I was laughing today because I did hear John and Gordy last night.

I listened to you guys when you were doing the open of the show.

And John, or one of the two said, can you, do you have trouble telling those guys apart?

I just call him John or Gordy John or Gordy John or Gordy.

I'm kidding.

I said they said they got scooped They scooped me and that must be a radio or journalism term like they out They got to a story before I did because I was

up here and they're

talking about Taylor Swift.

He's very funny.

She's getting married one of my exes That's troubling But it did remind me that we do have an interview I did with Taylor Swift.

That is true and well, I'll say

She was a little younger at the time.

She was much younger, but she's a phenom I mean she's putting out top 40 hits when she was like 16 or something like that

and she did that great movie, you know with Love it's Valentine's Day, right?

And let me tell you if you watch it on

Valentine's Day So perfect.

It's the perfect movie.

You'll hate Valentine's Day If you watch Taylor Swift's movie on Valentine's Day, you'll become a sweetest day kind of person Do you have that clip

handy?

After the break.

Yeah, are we that close to the break already?

Oh

my god, cuz there is a little contest we need to get to

that's true Thank you very much.

Okay.

This is exciting folks oftentimes when we do contests here at Civic Media Nightlight is kind of left out in the cold not by on purpose or anything.

We don't take it personally But I sit back here from six to eight and listen to all my fellow

civic media brethren and sister in giving all these fun details about contests.

Well, this is a specific contest to nightlight.

It is our last chance summer getaway.

How do you like that?

Who's ready to get away?

Well, we still have some summer left.

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Conrad, correct me if I'm wrong.

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right?

Text in the keyword.

Do it through the app.

Do it through the app.

They have to do it through the app, correct?

Yes.

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Okay.

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All right.

So we've got that.

What else did I want to, we have a call?

Can we take a quick call?

Yeah, I think so.

Let's do it.

Who do we have, Conrad?

Mark from the sec.

Mark!

Hey, you talked about,

scott's insane this is kind of a little bit a little different slant but one time my maternal grandmother now and this is quite a while ago now but she's been she's been passed on for her but there was one time she's given directions she says there's a stop sign but you don't stop there and that there was kind of a family story that you know that came out that you know of course you know it was you know get to stop and go beyond the stop but she says but you just you don't stop there and it was we always

And for some reason, he said stop sign that memory came to mind.

Mark, that is marvelous.

We got to go.

We're up against a break.

Thank you so much for sharing that.

Great stuff.

All right.

We are coming right back, folks.

It's Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

Great to have you with me on this Wednesday on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome

back.

Todd Michaels, ladies and gentlemen, my pal.

We'll be here at 635 talking about really creepy stuff.

Specifically, the Annabelle Dowell X tragedy that just happened semi-recently where a paranormal investigator

which is exactly what Todd does, thank you Conrad, was killed.

So it's a terrible story.

So we'll talk about that with Todd as well as disappearing aircraft.

I have a couple of Wisconsin ghost stories I want to discuss with him.

It'll always, it's always fun to have Todd on the show.

And then Matt Miller, Milwaukee Film Critic will be here at 720.

Always great to talk to Matt as well.

Right now folks, it is time for me to give you the keyword.

In the nightlight, last chance, summer getaway.

This is a really cool contest.

I was saying before, when you were taking that phone call, Mark, how funny was that, by the way?

Hilarious.

When you get to the stop sign, don't stop.

What?

OK, grandma.

OK.

Love it.

But we don't get to do many contests.

We kind

of

like, we sit by the wayside.

But we've got our own contest now, folks.

It's very exciting.

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And we are not eligible Conrad.

That's just the way it's gotta be.

So, all right, Taylor Swift is getting married.

And I, you know, it's funny.

I don't, my wife watched, we were watching the Bears Chiefs pre-season game.

And

my wife was excited because she thought Taylor Swift was going to be there.

I was like, honey, it's pre-season.

First of all, Taylor doesn't need to be there for a pre-season game.

She was all bummed out.

So then she's looking for Travis Kelsey.

She knows he's number 87.

Like, why is that more exciting watching a guy catch football?

He had like two catches.

and he's great, but like, just because he's getting married to Taylor Swift, that's why you wanna watch him catch football, I don't get that.

So, but we had, Taylor Swift, as many of you who listen to the show know, is one of my exes, and they ended amicably though Conrad, I'm considerably older than her, and less talented, but we got along swimmingly, she is a great girl, she was nice enough, and we met actually after this interview, so I talked to her kind of about,

You know her life and all that kind of stuff and then that's we sparks flew we kind of hit it off But anyway, let's let's play that that clip of my interview with Taylor Swift Taylor.

Thanks so much for taking time out today.

How've you been?

I'm great.

Thanks.

I'm totally into this game called pickleball.

Oh, I've never heard of that

It's like for old people, but I like it.

Oh, that's so great.

I've never heard of it, but I'll look for that game.

So what else do you have going on these days?

I know you have some albums and you seem like you're becoming really popular.

What else do you have going on?

I'm just launching like a YouTube channel right now.

It's totally cool.

I mean, it'll probably never be as big as MySpace, but it's totally chill.

Oh, that's so cool.

Well, we'll look for that.

I've never heard of YouTube.

That's so great, Taylor.

Now, I hear you're doing a movie.

Tell us about that.

Yeah, I'm totally going to start acting from now on.

I'm so done with singing.

I mean, how far can that really take me, right?

I get it.

So tell us a little bit about the movie you're doing.

Oh my god, yeah.

It's called Valentine's Day, and it's directed by, well, I'm not sure, but he's old.

And Julia Roberts is in it, and Jessica Alba and Jessica Beale.

Like, I'm pretty sure everyone in the movie is named Jessica, but it's totally cool.

It's so fun because people can watch it every Valentine's Day from now on.

It's gonna be a big hit.

And I totally just did this Hannah Montana movie, too.

I think acting's really the way to go.

Huh, okay.

Now, you have to kiss a guy in the movie, right?

Taylor Lautner, do you have a boyfriend?

And is he jealous about stuff like that?

Um, my boyfriend is Jake Gyllenhaal and he's totally not jealous because he knows I will always love him and we'll be together forever.

Oh, that's so cool.

That's so cool that you're dating an actor.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

He's the best.

I totally like actors and the creative type of people.

I could never really see myself dating, um, like a big, sweaty jock who's like a total bro, you know?

How did that work out for you Taylor?

She was a sweet kid.

I'm happy for those.

And you know what, John and Gordy talked about it last night.

They scooped me.

Actually, I out-scooped them if you think about it.

Because

I did a beat on them.

You did the

beats.

Yeah.

Take that.

A lot of out-scooping on here.

I love it.

To me, it's so funny too when they talk about Jeff Zazario, John's cousin, who was on Nightlight months and months ago.

And then John's like, why don't you get him on?

I'll come on.

We'll do a family reunion.

And I put that out to Zazario.

Have not heard a peep.

Jeff and I are friends.

That's what I get for getting involved in the Peterson family dynamics.

All right, so we've got our question of the night.

Todd Michaels is coming up in just a few minutes.

Our question of the night, folks, is, what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

We have our own way of doing things here.

As you just heard Mark from the Sac say, his grandma used to say, what did she say?

Get to the stop sign and don't stop.

Get to the stop sign, don't stop there.

We've got Bloody Mary Chasers.

We call it a bubbler.

We measure distance by time instead of miles.

Miners, we say or no.

We sometimes ask questions and make it a statement.

Going to the store, Pete.

Conrad says we could say a couple and it could mean two or a hundred.

We do use that term loosely, haphazardly.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's our question that I folks get in on the fun and let's see what we have how are we doing?

We have text coming in Conrad I need to read some texts.

Yeah, okay.

Where's our text line?

I've forgotten everything.

I was gone four days.

Oh You got a lot of texts, okay?

So Jim from Appleton says a couple is two a couple couples are four to ten people a couple couples are four to ten people After ten you move on to a few people that is good for up to thousands

Thank you, Jim.

We needed that to be set straight.

From the 414, they say, a horse apiece.

Yeah.

Is that a Wisconsin thing?

I didn't realize that.

I mean, we do say

that.

Yeah.

The pair.

Why is there only one?

The pair.

Is that a pun?

Tomfrew New Berlin is trying to put past us.

All right, so we'll get back into this too.

Read more of your texts and everything after we have some fun with our pal, Todd Michaels.

That is coming up.

The keyword is play, folks.

Text in the keyword and you're eligible for the grand prize of the nightlight.

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We're coming right back on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back.

This

is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

Great to have you with me.

Do I seem rusty?

Just a little bit.

Just blown the dust off the old radio act here.

Trying to get back in the groove.

It is Wednesday night folks our question of the night.

What is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

We have we use chasers with our Bloody Mary because they're so spicy I guess I don't know I don't know why you need chasers with a Bloody Mary, but we do that here in Wisconsin.

We say bubbler Mine my thing was we ask a question that is really more of a statement like going to the store Pete That kind of stuff Conrad says we use the word couple that can mean two or a hundred

And in Conrad's case, he means beers.

So let us know what your favorite Wisconsin quirk is and we will read your text on the radio right now.

I'm really excited.

This next gentleman is a friend of mine.

Well, I consider him a friend.

I don't know what he's got work and he's, you know, he might be one of those people Conrad that doesn't have a room for new friends.

Todd is approaching middle age and he's already got a ton of friends.

He's very locked in here in Wisconsin, but

Enough time, foolery.

It is my pleasure to welcome to Nightlight our old pal, radio legend and paranormal investigator.

He is also works on the podcast, Real Ghost Stories Online and Hidden Killers with Tony Brusky.

Mr. Todd Michaels.

Hey, buddy, how are you?

It was very nice of you to say that I was getting up to middle age because I'm certainly already there.

Listen, it's a thing.

Well over that.

Conrad says a couple beers are like 14.

So we're a little

We're not

really holding anybody accountable

I knew I like I knew I like Conrad for some reason It's good to see you.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

How are you Pete?

Good, you know after you left here Todd I I completely did not put the toilet seat down for a few weeks and I left a coffee cup out because I knew you couldn't be here to do Jack You know, what about it, buddy?

That's right.

You know what though?

I mean, I felt that like in the deep core inner sides of myself.

I knew that that's what was going on.

Here's how intuitive Todd is.

Like, you know, he's a paranormal investigator.

He's very locked in on sensory stuff.

I walked in one night to the station here.

It was probably a year ago.

And he goes, what's up, man?

You okay?

And I totally wasn't.

But I never say anything.

It's like I'm an adult.

I suck it up and move on.

And that's why people have heart attacks.

But, you know, I just I didn't say anything and Todd could tell something was amiss.

And is that that's really a quality you have, isn't it?

I would say probably I can read a room pretty well.

And sometimes it's a good thing when you want to know.

And then there is also a bad thing when you don't want to know or you don't really care.

But yeah, it is true.

Well, in my case, were you saying that out of concern or were you like, I hope something's

wrong with Pete?

No, no, I was worried about you.

All right,

good.

Because I was close to going on air and you wouldn't be able to find anybody or just because you have a genuine

concern

for my well-being.

Oh, I care about you, Pete.

I really do.

Appreciate that.

Well, it's great to have you here, Todd.

Do you have a favorite Wisconsin quirk or something we do here in Wisconsin that you like?

We had...

I don't know if this, if you're aware of this Todd, but I noticed in Wisconsin that people say, now when you get to the stop and go lights, go straight.

Like they'll tell you to go somewhere and then keep going on that path.

Right.

Yeah, that that's definitely one of them.

And it's, you know, we call them stop and go lights too, which is kind of weird.

Isn't it just like, uh, yeah, I always like the or no, like it's always, we ask a question.

and then we give you the opportunity to say no to it.

It's not like just, hey Conrad, are you doing well?

Or no.

You know, we always add that to it.

It should be implied.

It should be implied, you're

right.

It's basically a multiple choice.

We make it a multiple choice question.

That was one of mine too, so that was great.

All right, so.

Todd, before we jump into the paranormal stuff, you're still producing content.

You have this great new gig.

Tell us about your real ghost stories online, please.

Well, we just started doing this.

Real ghost stories online was actually started like 11 or 12 years ago by a good friend of mine, Tony Bruski.

He started podcasting when nobody else was podcasting.

And so he's been doing it a very long time.

It's one of the top ghost story podcasts out there was always ranked very well.

And we just started doing something new on Monday nights.

We go live from eight until 10 p.m.

on, you can find it on YouTube, search for real ghost stories online, and we'll be doing them live for two hours every Monday night, telling actual ghost stories from actual listeners.

People call in, tell their stories.

We have audio, we have letters that we read, and we generally mess around for about two hours.

So that's a good portion of what I'm doing right now.

And that's live.

That's pretty cool.

It is.

Yeah.

And what was the, what was the time again, Todd?

Eight till 10 Monday nights on real ghost stories online.

Just find it on YouTube.

But there is so much content that goes out every day.

I can't even tell you like 20 or 30 different pieces of content that we have that go out.

So definitely want to check it out.

If you're into ghosts and if you've got a ghost story, you can always call in with yours as well.

I notice you, you're on eight to 10.

Is that because you knew it would be futile to compete with the juggernaut that is nightlight?

I just thought, why would I want to compete with my very good friend, Pete Schwabba?

You're the best man.

Well, that sounds cool.

And you do, you're involved with the true crime podcast as well.

In Killers with Tony Bruceke.

This is new to me.

I've never been a real true crime lover, but I,

Dived in headfirst and it is amazing what goes on in the true crime world.

And I'll just tell you that starting on Tuesday of next week, we'll be doing a live program every day from 10 a.m.

till noon called Hidden Killers Live.

It's with Tony Bruceke, Stacy Cole and myself.

And we will be talking about some of the biggest stories in the country around the world and we bring in experts to talk about it.

FBI,

A former FBI agent.

We have psychotherapists on to talk about it.

And there's been like maybe five or 10 stories that we've been really digging into since I took this job.

And it blows my mind some of these stories.

It makes you really wonder about how safe you are on a daily basis in your life.

Oh my gosh.

So I, for me, I'm kind of new to the party when it comes to true crime.

My daughter got me into it and I watched, I think the first true crime thing I watched was either the OJ one on Netflix or the night stalker.

That was phenomenal.

And I realized my thing with true crime is I love

when they go from the police perspective, how did you catch them?

What break did you catch?

Like to me, that's fascinating.

The ones that are overhyped and play the eerie music and the mind of a killer, you know, that kind of stuff.

Like I love the procedure part about it.

So would you say you're into true crime now since you've been doing this?

I kind of am.

And there's a story that's out there right now.

Hula was doing a documentary on Fox Hollow Farm.

And this is a guy, Mr. Baumeister.

who lived just outside Indianapolis.

And what they found is this guy, they found like 20 bodies in his backyard.

And it's out on Hulu right now.

You got to check it out.

But the interesting thing about it is not only is it a crazy story of this guy and how he got these people to come home with him and his home life, but also it's kind of turned into the paranormal side now because investigators have gone to Fox Hello Farm.

just outside Indianapolis and actually investigated.

So that's kind of another angle of that story that's really interesting to me.

Oh, wow.

That is cool.

I thought you were at like the Baumeister angle.

I thought you were going to say they found like a bunch of empty bottles of root beers.

Get

to

the bottom of this.

That's cool.

So all right, let's jump into some paranormal talk, Todd.

Yeah.

So you told me about this story today that I was unaware of, the Annabelle Dahl X tragedy, and that must have hit kind of close to home because it was another paranormal investigator around your age.

Tell us what happened.

Well, you know, I'll just kind of generalize it, but the Annabelle Dahl, which has been a big part of the conjuring series of movies, and Titan and Lorraine Warren,

They found this doll years ago and it was just a regular reggae and doll that they said had paranormal stuff go on with it.

They locked it in their museum.

Ed and Lorraine Warren had a museum at their house where they kept all these possessed items.

And it could be a crucifix, it could be a chair, it could be a piece of clothing.

And there was this doll and they actually had it locked up in a case that had crucifixes on it and prayers and all that kind of stuff.

Well, several weeks ago, I don't know whose idea this was, but they decided to take this thing on tour to various paracons.

And one of the handlers who handled the dolly, they had to take it out of the case at the Warren's house, put it in another case to take on display.

And the guy died.

He was roughly my age, right?

Seemed to be in relatively good health.

And I know a lot of people are saying, well, is it directly tied in?

I don't know.

But why would you mess with that?

Why would you, if something is purportedly haunted, why would you take it out of a sealed case and then take it on tour to put other people in danger?

It just seems really silly to me.

Do you think that's because they didn't believe the curse or that it was haunted or they didn't respect that somehow?

Or like, what would you do?

Would you handle that, Dalton?

No, absolutely

not.

I wouldn't.

And there's kind of an interesting, another interesting piece of this.

Matt Reif, the comedian, I think you probably know who he is, right?

Sure.

He just recently bought Ed and Lorraine's house.

Oh my gosh.

All right.

So now he's going to, I'm hearing he's going to turn it into like a museum tour.

They're going to do ghost hunting there and all this kind of stuff.

But there is some weird thing in the contract with the house.

I believe he's going to have, he's going to oversee all the haunted items.

And it's just like, I don't know if that's something you really wanna do.

If I were editor or Lorraine Warren, and for those who don't know who they are, they were into paranormal investigation before the ghost hunters came out with TV shows and all that.

They were into it in the 60s and 70s.

They were some of the lead investigators on the Amityville horror and of course the Conjuring House too.

So they were around a long time.

But if I were them,

And they're both dead, by the way.

If I were them, I would come back and haunt the hell out of anybody who took a tour of my house.

And the other part of it is a lot of the family is not happy about it because grandchildren are thinking, yeah, this is grandma and grandpa's house.

And now this comedian, like him or hate him, now owns grandma and grandpa's house.

And he plans on doing something with it to make a little cash.

Don't you think karma

should step in here and say, you know, first of all, this guy's a comedian.

You should have a poster of Steve Martin up on your wall with the arrow through his head.

Like now, what are you doing buying a haunted house?

I just feel like this has a recipe.

This will be a movie someday with him.

I don't think it'll end well for him, I guess is what I'm saying.

Don't think, isn't it always that way though?

Like movie stars want to be singers, singers want to be movie stars.

And for whatever reason, Matt Reif has always been into the paranormal.

I think he's big friends with Zach Baggins from Ghost Adventures.

So they've hung out together a little bit.

And I think Zach Baggins is a douche.

But other than that, I think it's just something that's always interesting to him.

And now that he's got some money, he wants to have a little piece of paranormal history, I guess.

You're right.

Comedians want to be singers.

Actors want to be this and that.

And you set me up.

What do you

want to be, Pete, when you grow

up?

I'm getting to that.

You set me up beautifully, buddy.

Conrad, a C note, please.

And I'm just going to do a quick little thing here.

No.

Conrad

got nervous.

He thought I was

actually asking him to play the

piano or

something.

Yeah, that's really strange to me that anyone would do that.

And to me, it has horror film written all over it.

The Warrens.

Interestingly enough, the doll supposedly has the soul of their, not of their six-year-old, but of a six-year-old girl that owned the doll that died.

Right.

I think her name was Annabelle.

I don't know.

All right.

Todd Michaels is here.

Todd, we got so, I always run out of stuff and I have way too much stuff to talk to you about.

Do we cover this to the degree?

I think so, yeah.

All right.

Let's talk about some disappearing airplanes when we come back, okay?

Sounds good.

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That was the gig.

I always wanted you know that right

on London.

Well,

was it while Ellen Lennon was one of the best but I I always wanted to work on a game show.

I wanted to be Johnny Olson or you know one of those guys that Was the announcer?

Yeah announcer gig would be cool because those guys that's like Vanna White You know you have like the least amount to do on the show But you get paid huge and just saying here's Ellen Lennon that guy probably

made a

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I don't know if they made that much back in the day, but you'd work on like four or five game shows.

Yeah.

And that's what you do.

You go in, you tape five game shows, a password, and then you'd go down the hall and tape five of something else.

And all you had to do is read the script.

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And you've got the voice, dude.

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I know.

I didn't, you know what?

I didn't do it.

You know what, Pete?

Thank you to hell with this interview.

I'm going to go get a gig.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You could finish the interview.

I don't think, I don't think 17 minutes is going to affect too much or whatever we have left.

Todd Michaels is my guest.

You can see Todd's work at real ghost stories online and hidden killers with Tony Bruce.

You produce these shows, right?

Todd, and you're on the air with them as well.

Correct?

Yeah.

I mean, it's, uh,

Again, the hidden killers live is going to be starting on Tuesday right after Labor Day.

And we started the real ghost stories online a couple of weeks ago.

So that's, that's in full throttle as I'm going to use that word because you used full throttle.

Um, um, so yeah, I'm really excited about being a part of it.

I'm kind of scared to watch things like hidden killers in that.

Cause you

ever

watch something like that and go, what if I'm a hidden killer?

not in the Homer Simpson voice, but you just really think maybe there's something in you that hasn't been unleashed yet.

Well, when you listen to psychotherapists, now one of the big stories over the last couple of years was what happened in Moscow, Idaho.

And I'm not going to get deep into it because I don't know a lot about it, but Brian Coburger killed four students in Idaho.

And we're just finding out a little bit more about Brian Coburger now.

And it's kind of crazy because when you listen to psychotherapists talk about some of these people,

You know, he studied like other people.

I mean, it's crazy when you think about the domers and they all have a little bit of linkage there.

There's always something really, really in common.

And I will just say this, if you like true crime a little bit, you can go online and get updated on so many.

Different weird people out there and some of the stuff that went down.

It's really crazy.

What is the thing that links that?

I mean, I know they have similarities They always look for like did they harm animals when they were younger that kind of stuff?

But what do you know what the similarity is?

Are you just speaking generally?

I think just speaking generally You know a lot of them are broken in some way shape or form a lot of them had issues in their family dominating mothers

I mean, think of psycho, right?

I mean, we're not far off from that being kind of reality.

So when you look at the family dynamic of some of these people, we're covering Donna Adelson.

She had, well, she's on trial right now, and they're trying to figure out if she mastermind and paid for her son-in-law getting killed in Florida.

Back in like 2014, 20, I don't know how long ago it was.

At any rate,

It is absolutely crazy how that family dynamic worked.

She was the matriarch of the family and kids wouldn't even go to the bathroom and take a crap without asking mommy if it was okay.

And even in adulthood, they didn't do anything in life without approval for mom.

So you see this kind of similarly in so many stories when it comes to true crime stuff.

That's insane.

I've been asking for permission to go to the bathroom my whole life.

I've never killed anybody.

Right.

I mean, that's just that's a different gene.

Who are you asking?

Just random strangers

That's a whole different problem.

I

go over to Hagermeister Park and ask for permission or do I have to buy something?

Todd, let's get to this.

This is pretty cool.

This I always say that and it's terrible.

It's not pretty cool.

It's a plane crash or a disappearance, but Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 it's been called

the biggest mystery in aviation history as to what happened with that flight.

How do airplanes disappear?

Have you ever investigated anything like that or know people who have?

I mean, I know some people that are into studying it and reading about it and all that.

And it is amazing to me when you look at the number of flights that go down and are never found.

They're just never found.

They may, if they're lucky, find

wreckage somehow in the ocean or something like that, but they never actually find where the plane went down.

Bodies are never found, all that kind of stuff.

And it's not like one or two.

If you look through history, there's a lot, which also makes me scared about getting on a plane.

Listen, I've gotten more scared about getting on a plane, especially after all those incidents earlier in the year.

But I mean, I've never liked flying.

But it was just kind of a necessary thing.

But I don't understand how a plane like they can track it.

It took off 38 minutes later.

It went, you know, dark.

Right.

So if you draw an arrow in 38 minutes or whatever, now I'm doing the Wisconsin thing where we measure distance by time.

But how it baffles me that with all the technology we have that we can't pinpoint or find like you say wreckage.

It almost makes you wonder if something wasn't planned and something's not being hidden.

Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never been that kind of guy, but it is kind of strange when they can't find anything or have Absolutely no answers to the point where it's like well, it might have just disappeared or isn't it

different stratosphere universe right now or something.

Can we keep you for a few more minutes after the news?

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Radio legend, as I like to call him, approaching middle age.

Matt Miller's here at 720.

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Very exciting that we hear that intro and the man who happens to have voiced that amazing intro is with us Todd Michaels We will get back to Todd in just a minute right now.

I just want to say welcome to act two We have a great show here tonight.

I had

a

few days off Conrad.

I think it's going well.

What do you think?

You're doing the best you can okay?

Remind me next time John and Gordy fill in to just rip into you so hard and it's a stupid hat by the way

All right, so we have Todd Michaels on the phone.

Matt Miller will be here in just a little bit.

I'm gonna ask Matt where he saw Highest to Lowest because I looked for that movie.

It supposedly was in wide release, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

I can't wait to talk to Matt about weapons.

We'll get to that in just a bit.

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Yeah, I'm sure that won't happen.

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Let us know we will catch up on texts in just a few minutes But right now let's get back to our pal Todd Michaels who is a that's a great background by the way Todd It what is that like a green screen or did you actually do some some goth?

No, I've got I did some some improvements here I got a couple of screens behind me and all that I got a question for you.

Yeah

I'm noticing a lot on your social media.

People doing weird stuff by your window over there.

What's going on with that?

I

can't.

I can't.

I don't know.

It's just something they're drawn to.

You're the guy that we should be asking about this because for whatever reason people are drawn to that window.

It could be something strange happening.

Yeah, it's just like random fit people right wasn't Conrad out there one night and like some weird shorts or something He was I believe that I believe that but as somebody who cares about you deeply Conrad let me just tell you Get rid of him

Somehow Conrad found a pair of flood shorts.

I don't

even know how that's

possible

They're, they should go a little lower though, past the knee Conrad.

That's all I'll say just for,

and just add to that, please.

Okay.

Please get them a little bit

lower.

If you could, Todd, if you want to be in the window picture, just let me know and I'll set it

up.

Listen, I might just show up one night.

I can tell you I'll be doing this.

I'll be doing this.

Todd Michaels is my guest, folks.

You could see his work or hear his work.

He produces and is part of a couple podcasts called Real Ghost Stories Online and Hidden Killers with Tony Bruski.

He is a, what I like to call, a radio legend and a paranormal investigator, and he is with us here for a few more minutes.

Todd.

What do you make of the Bermuda Triangle?

Do you think there's anything there?

There's been an inordinate amount of disappearances there, crashes there.

It's just the weather, right?

I mean, you're a paranormal investigator, but you're also kind of a skeptic and you really investigate these things.

I think it probably has something more to do with the weather and the wind currents and all that kind of stuff in that particular location.

The fact of the matter is that, as you mentioned,

There have been a ton of wrecks.

There have been a ton of missing planes, ships, all that kind of stuff in that area.

So it's got to be more than just the weather, right?

It's got to be some sort of something to do with the geography as well that would somehow hide the evidence of these wrecks of missing ships, missing planes and missing people and all that kind of stuff.

Weather probably plays into it, but it can't be the only thing.

You know, and could there be like, let's say in people's subconscious, once a few planes go down or ships are lost or whatever, does it get in a pilot or captain's mind?

Oh boy, it's the Bermuda Triangle and they almost psyched themselves out somehow.

Is that a thing?

Well, I think, I mean, you can tie that into paranormal stuff too, right?

If you have kind of a spooky thing happen.

Does that mean that all of a sudden every bump in the middle of the night, you go, oh my gosh, it's a ghost?

Very similar.

And I also think that as to your point, if you are flying there, if you're a captain of a ship in that area, and maybe you do run into turbulence or rough waters or whatever, maybe it plays with your psyche enough that maybe you don't make the best decisions that you should make in that situation.

You panic, exactly.

and you do things that you normally wouldn't do, and that just ends up in tragedy.

Conrad and I had planned a snorkeling trip in the Bermuda Triangle, and I think we're, he's got cold feet.

I don't know.

That's your call, Con.

I think I'm not gonna do it.

I'll swear to God, I'll give you each a $50 bill if I get a picture of both of you in snorkeling gear.

Conrad in the short shorts.

Sure.

Then only 25 for Conrad if he puts the short shorts

on.

Todd, all right, in all your investigating, tell me something that literally scared the bejesus out of you.

Was there something that you couldn't explain or that really creeped you out?

It goes back to a video I was actually watching.

I've done so many investigations.

I've actually forgot a lot of this stuff that happened.

But the other night,

I was talking to somebody and we were talking about the TV show that I was a part of at one point, which was a haunted state.

And we went out to locations in Wisconsin.

The weirdest thing, and I've seen shadows.

I've seen shadow figures.

I've heard voices, all things that should not be happening that did.

But the one thing that really just always blew me away was at Nelson's Hall on Washington Island.

And we were doing a ghost box session.

Ghost box is basically a radio that just keeps shuffling through all the frequencies.

And people believe that you can communicate using that type of equipment with ghosts.

And we were using it and we were recording a spirit box session or a ghost box session.

There were three of us in a little group.

There was a camera guy filming it as well.

But in this group, we're standing in a circle.

We've got the spirit box and the recorder in front of us.

And we had it down toward our, our like waist level, but right in front of our faces, like right between us, we heard a growl, like an audible growl.

And we heard it the first time.

And the first, you know, first thing I'm thinking is, okay, maybe we didn't need enough in our

stomach.

Exactly.

But, but it wasn't in that location.

We've all heard stomach growls and it wasn't like that.

And we all immediately went, oh my gosh, that was a growl.

It didn't come out of the spirit box.

It was literally in the air in front of us.

And we kind of blew it off.

And immediately after that, it happened again, but even louder.

And the thing about that trip was that we left that investigation on Washington Island and all of us on the team, there were four of us, all of us.

here had weird experiences after.

So it was almost like something followed us back from Washington Island.

And I was, for a long time, I was kind of afraid of going back to Washington Island because it was kind of severe for me, but I ended up going back and things were fine.

But that was probably the thing that went, holy crap, I've never had anything like this happen before.

That's why I don't think I would ever want to do what you do because I would be worried that, you know,

I'm a skeptic.

It's like the George Costanza thing.

I thought you don't believe in God.

I do for the bad things.

I'd be worried I'd pick up a tail or something.

Like you said that in the past on the show, like they follow you home, these spirits or whatever they are, you know.

They can, right?

That's certainly something that can happen.

I think the thing that's interesting about it is that, and I'm learning more about it as I'm working in the true crime world as well.

I think humans are scarier than ghosts for the most part.

So that I always keep that in the back of my mind.

I

guess the Todd Michaels, we have Todd for one more question, I guess.

But check out his work at Real Ghost Stories Online and Hidden Killers with Tony Bruski.

Can I can I can I use the time to tell a quick story about my new boss?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So Tony Bruski, I actually hired in radio back in like 1998.

96, 98, something like that.

He was 14 years old and he wanted to get into radio really bad.