Couple Wisconsin Quirks & Paranormal Perils (Hour 1)

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A guy who once tore his ACL playing chess, Pete Schwabba.

Welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.

All right.

It is good to be back.

Wednesday night, version of Night Light here, over across the beautiful state of Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I've been waiting to say those words for six days.

It is good to be back behind the mic.

And talking to all of you fantastic listeners, thank you for being with me here tonight on Wednesday.

Hope you had a great Pete's Staycation 2025.

Conrad, how did you celebrate Staycation Schwabba Staycation 2025?

You know, last night when John and Gordy were guest hosting, they were like, it was kind of a spooky theme.

So

they thought

maybe you vanished, actually, instead of a vacation.

Listen, I listened to part of that this morning.

And I was like, oh, I'm really glad I booked Todd Michaels, who's going to talk about the paranormal on Wednesday.

It's

like, they're going to think we changed the format of the show.

But no, big shout out to John and Gordy.

They are so fun to listen to.

They're like, they just compliment each other so well.

They're just great at radio and really good guys.

So thank you to John and Gordy for filling in money on Tuesday.

Thank you to Aaron and Aaron Carano and Catherine Lake for filling in on Thursday.

Thank you to Conrad for holding down the fort.

And who am I missing?

Who else?

You're guest in the best of.

My guest in the best of.

They did a great job too.

Much better than the first time around.

Seriously though, it was great to be back and thank you again to all those fine folks at Civic Media.

Great team.

Great show tonight too.

Coming out of the gates swinging.

We're doing tonight what we do here.

We're gonna talk to some really cool guests.

Todd Michaels, our old pal.

who used to work here at WGVW and Civic Media.

Todd is now doing, he got involved in another endeavor and is crushing it as I expected he would.

Todd will be here at 635.

Todd is also a paranormal investigator and he will talk, I have some great topics to talk about Todd, to talk about with Todd.

You ever hear of like those planes that just disappear from the sky?

Yeah,

yeah, there was.

There was one over a sea or something, I forget what it was called.

The Malaysia one in 2014, yeah.

We're gonna talk about that.

That is so far considered to be the biggest aviation mystery of all time, like they can't describe it.

So we'll talk about that with Todd.

Todd also mentioned another really cool thing that had, not a really cool thing, a guy passed away, but he also a paranormal investigator around Todd's age was hosting a show.

and died, a doll.

Where's one of my questions here?

The Annabelle doll tragedy.

And this just happened recently.

So we're gonna talk about that with Todd as well.

So he's always fun to talk to and I love when he's on Nightlight.

And then our pal Matt Miller will be here in hour number two at 720 talking movies and TV.

Matt is a Milwaukee film critic.

And a great guest.

Love talking to Matt about movies.

I say movies and TV because they kind of go hand in hand, but Matt mostly has an emphasis on movies, but we'll find out what Matt is watching as well.

So all that, a great question of the night.

Pete and Conrad, back on the airwaves, all as well in the world, folks.

Hope you're having a great day and it is great to have you here on this Wednesday.

You know, it's gonna be weird because I took four days off and it feels like it was part of one week and part of another week.

It feels like two weeks.

It's like I can't but I don't know if I've ever I think one other time I took that much time off in a row since I've been here and it is weird It kind of it's like wow.

Maybe I'll just retire.

I don't know just kind of like sitting here You know,

you know when I went to Italy last year that felt like like two months.

It felt so long It was two weeks two weeks

felt even longer than that like when you got back Did you have trouble like going?

What does this button do again?

Yeah,

I did a little bit.

I was like

How loud does this need to be?

Where does this need to be?

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

But it is great to be back.

I had a great staycation with the family.

We tried to do nothing.

Staycations are difficult because, and you guys chime in on this if you have thoughts about staycations because I think most people do them to save money, which is why we did it this year.

We just couldn't afford to go anywhere real big.

So we stayed at home.

And we just said, we're not going to do anything.

That's hard to do when you're in your home.

It's so tempting just to pick up your phone or to do something household that you wouldn't do when you're on vacation.

It's a challenge, but we made it work.

I got to go to a fish fry.

I'm not really off on Friday night.

So that was fun.

We went to the Little River Country Club in Marinette.

It was glorious.

What was your fish of choice?

I went with the walleye pan fried.

You can't go wrong with the walleye.

You can't, but I will say this, I have very few regrets in life Conrad, but if I could go back to last Friday, I would do deep fried.

How do you like that?

I like the

crunch.

Yeah, I mean, deep fried perch is one of my favorite things ever.

Yeah.

Even better than that though, deep fried bluegill.

You've said that before.

I gotta try bluegill.

It's so good.

Yeah, a lot of people, do you like smelt?

I don't think I know what that is that a fish.

It's a fish You catch them like by the thousands in a net and then they're really small Yeah, and you I think you just like pan fry them and butter them my dad will order smelt once in a while when we go out and I remember when I was a kid They used to catch them like in the rivers in Chicago or something smelt and they would cook it up and I was like that's kind of weird

It's the most unappealing name I've ever heard

smelt

yeah, that sounds like some metal.

Yeah

Just name it skank or like grossness or something like that, but I have to say too, you know what?

Let's get to the we have a fun question tonight folks and it's a high time I brought up what it was because you guys had a good question last night.

Yeah, it was great

and we did something like that with Was it just ghosts though, but they had aliens and ghosts and what was your experience?

I like that that was really

It's nice when you can listen to your own show and learn from maybe a legend.

So, all right, I'm gonna find the, let's do the question of the night.

What do you say?

Let's talk about

the

question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Pregunta.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

All right, Bloody Mary Chasers, measuring distance.

in time instead of miles.

Those are things we do here in Wisconsin.

So my question of the night, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

What do we do differently here that you like?

We say bubbler instead of drinking fountain.

There are all kinds of things.

And I didn't realize measuring distance in time instead of miles was a thing, but I guess it is.

How far away is that?

About 15 minutes.

How do you know that?

What if I'm walking?

So I thought that really cracked me up.

But let us know what you think.

We say things differently.

People say one of my favorites is Erno.

Yeah,

that's a huge

one.

Here's another one I've noticed.

I love when people say this.

This could be everywhere, but I only noticed it, or I tend to only notice it when I'm in Wisconsin.

When you get to the stoplight, go straight.

Just tell me when to turn.

Don't tell me.

I don't know.

Is that weird?

Is that me being picky?

I'm

gonna

go straight

until

you say just tell me when to turn yeah, and now we have GPS anyway, but that one that one kind of cracked me up And I saw yours a couple can mean anywhere from two to a hundred

You know, it's like you go out with your friends and I'm gonna grab a couple beers and it turns into a hundred oh There's there's a couple of guys walking and there's like a whole group

right

There's another one my friend Steve Seager and pointed out he's been on this show and he said in Wisconsin you guys ask questions in a statement like going to the store Pete It's not really a question so those would be my two asking a question as a statement and the urno

Conrad says a couple can mean anywhere from two to 100.

What do you guys say?

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And we want to know what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

So the Bloody Mary Chaser is kind of funny because I don't think you need... Bloody Mary's are not... It's not like you're doing shots of Jameson or Wild Turkey.

They're pretty smooth.

Wild Turkey.

Yeah, it's brutal.

Oh yeah.

For that, I could see a Chaser.

But like for a Bloody Mary, they give you...

Practically, at some places in Marinette, they give you almost a whole beer.

And here's your chaser.

It's like a free beer.

Okay.

So we have all kinds of fun stuff we do here in Wisconsin that sets us apart, folks.

Let us know what your favorite Wisconsin quirk is.

That is tonight's question.

I was laughing today because I did hear John and Gordy last night.

I listened to you guys when you were doing the open of the show.

And John, or one of the two, said, can you, do you have trouble telling those guys apart?

I just call him John or Gordy John or Gordy John or Gordy.

I'm kidding I said they said they got scooped they scooped me and that must be a radio or journalism term like they out They got to a story before I did because I was

up here and they're

talking about Taylor Swift.

Yeah,

she's very funny.

She's getting married one of my exes That's troubling But it did remind me that we do have an interview I did with Taylor Swift

that is true and well I'll say

She was a little younger at the time.

She was much younger, but she's a phenom I mean she's putting out top 40 hits when she was like 16 or something like that

and she did that great movie, you know with Love it's Valentine's Day, right?

And let me tell you if you watch it on Valentine's Day

So perfect.

It's the perfect movie.

You'll hate Valentine's Day If you watch Taylor Swift's movie on Valentine's Day, you'll become a sweetest day kind of person Do you have that clip

handy?

After the break.

Yeah, are we that close to the break already?

Oh my

god, cuz there is a little contest we need to get to

that's true Thank you very much.

Okay.

This is exciting folks oftentimes when we do contests here at Civic Media Nightlight is kind of left out in the cold not by on purpose or anything.

We don't take it personally But I sit back here from six to eight and listen to all my fellow

civic media brethren and sister in giving all these fun details about contests.

Well, this is a specific contest to nightlight.

It is our last chance summer getaway.

How do you like that?

Who's ready to get away?

Well, we still have some summer left.

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All you do is text in that keyword.

Conrad, correct me if I'm wrong.

They text in the keyword and they're eligible,

right?

Text in the keyword.

Do it through the app.

Do it through the app.

They have to do it through the app, correct?

Yes.

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All right.

So we've got that.

What else did I want to, we have a call?

Can we take a quick call?

Yeah, I think so.

Let's do it.

Who do we have, Conrad?

Mark from the sec.

Mark!

Hey, you talked about,

scott's insane this is kind of a little bit a little different slant but one time my maternal grandmother now and this is quite a while ago now but she's been passed on for her but there was one time she's given directions she says there's a stop sign but you don't stop there and there was kind of a family story that you know that came out there you know it was you know get to stop and go beyond the stop but she says but you don't stop there and we always

And for some reason, he said stop sign that memory came to mind.

Mark, that is marvelous.

We got to go.

We're up against the break.

Thank you so much for sharing that.

Great stuff.

All right.

We are coming right back, folks.

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My pal, we'll be here at 635 talking about really creepy stuff.

Specifically, the Annabelle Dahl X tragedy that just happened semi-recently where a paranormal investigator, which is exactly what Todd does, thank you Conrad, was killed.

So it's a terrible story.

So we'll talk about that with Todd as well as disappearing aircraft.

I have a couple of Wisconsin ghost stories I want to discuss with him.

It'll always...

It's always fun to have Todd on the show.

And then Matt Miller, Milwaukee Film Critic, will be here at 720.

Always great to talk to Matt as well.

Right now, folks, it is time for me to give you the keyword, in the nightlight, last chance, summer getaway.

This is a really cool contest.

I was saying before, when you were taking that phone call, Mark, how funny was that, by the way?

Hilarious.

When you get to the stop sign, don't stop.

What?

Okay, grandma.

Okay.

Love it.

But we don't get to do many contests.

We kind of like...

We sit by the wayside.

But we've got our own contest now, folks.

It's very exciting.

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The next three nights.

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And we will enroll you in the chance to win the grand prize, which is a one night stay at Chula Vista with a certificate and dining voucher.

It's $175 value.

So you can't beat that.

And we are not eligible Conrad.

That's just the way it's got to be.

So, all right, Taylor Swift is getting married.

And I, you know, it's funny.

I don't, my wife watched, we were watching the Bears Chiefs preseason game.

And my wife was excited because she thought Taylor Swift was going to be there.

I was like, honey, it's preseason.

First of all, Taylor doesn't need to be there for a preseason game.

She was all bummed out.

So then she's looking for Travis Kelsey.

She knows he's number 87.

Like why is that more exciting watching a guy catch football?

He had like two catches and he's great.

But like just because he's getting married to Taylor Swift, that's why you want to watch him catch football.

I don't get that.

But Taylor Swift, as many of you who listen to the show know, is one of my exes.

And they ended amicably though Conrad.

I'm considerably older than her and less talented.

But we got along swimmingly.

She is a great girl.

She was nice enough and we met actually after this interview.

So I talked to her kind of about...

You know her life and all that kind of stuff and then that's we sparks flew we kind of hit it off But anyway, let's let's play that that clip of my interview with Taylor Swift Taylor.

Thanks so much for taking time out today.

How've you been?

I'm great.

Thanks.

I'm totally into this game called pickleball.

Oh, I've never heard of that

It's like for old people, but I like it.

Oh, that's so great.

I've never heard of it, but I'll look for that game.

So what else do you have going on these days?

I know you have some albums and you seem like you're becoming really popular.

What else do you have going on?

I'm just launching like a YouTube channel right now.

It's totally cool.

I mean, it'll probably never be as big as MySpace, but it's totally chill.

Oh, that's so cool.

Well, we'll look for that.

I've never heard of YouTube.

That's so great, Taylor.

Now, I hear you're doing a movie.

Tell us about that.

Yeah, I'm totally going to start acting from now on.

I'm so done with singing.

I mean, how far can that really take me, right?

I get it.

So tell us a little bit about the movie you're doing.

Oh my god, yeah.

It's called Valentine's Day, and it's directed by, well, I'm not sure, but he's old.

And Julia Roberts is in it, and Jessica Alba and Jessica Beale.

Like, I'm pretty sure everyone in the movie is named Jessica, but it's totally cool.

It's so fun because people can watch it every Valentine's Day from now on.

It's gonna be a big hit.

And I totally just did this Hannah Montana movie, too.

I think acting's really the way to go.

Huh, okay.

Now, you have to kiss a guy in the movie, right?

Taylor Lautner, do you have a boyfriend?

And is he jealous about stuff like that?

Um, my boyfriend is Jake Gyllenhaal and he's totally not jealous because he knows I will always love him and we'll be together forever.

Oh, that's so cool.

That's so cool that you're dating an actor.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

He's the best.

I totally like actors and the creative type of people.

I could never really see myself dating, um, like a big, sweaty jock who's like a total bro, you know?

How did that work out for you Taylor?

She was a sweet kid.

I'm happy for those.

And you know what, John and Gordy talked about it last night.

They scooped me.

Actually, I out-scooped them if you think about it,

because I did a beat on them.

You did the beats,

yeah.

Take that.

A lot of out-scooping on here.

I love it.

To me, it's so funny too when they talk about Jeff Zazario, John's cousin, who was on Nightlight months and months ago.

And then John's like, why don't you get him on?

I'll come on and we'll do a family reunion.

And I put that out to Zazario.

Have not heard a peep.

Jeff and I are friends.

That's what I get for getting involved in the Peterson family dynamics.

All right, so we've got our question of the night.

Todd Michaels is coming up in just a few minutes.

Our question of the night, folks, is, what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

We have our own way of doing things here.

As you just heard Mark from the Sac say, his grandma used to say, what did she say?

Get to the stop sign and don't stop.

Get to the stop sign.

Don't stop there.

We've got Bloody Mary Chasers.

We call it a bubbler.

We measure distance by time instead of miles.

Miners, we say or no.

We sometimes ask questions and make it a statement.

Going to the store, Pete.

Conrad says we could say a couple and it could mean two or a hundred.

We do use that term loosely, haphazardly.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's our question tonight folks get in on the fun and let's see what we have.

How are we doing?

We have text coming in Conrad.

I need to read some texts.

Yeah, okay.

Where's our text line?

I've forgotten everything.

I was gone four days.

Oh You got a lot of texts, okay?

So Jim from Appleton says a couple is two a couple couples are four to ten people a couple couples are four to ten people After ten you move on to a few people that is good for up to thousands

Thank you, Jim.

We needed that to be set straight.

From the 414, they say, a horse apiece.

Yeah.

Is that a Wisconsin thing?

I didn't realize that.

I mean, we do say

that.

Yeah.

The pair.

Why is there only one?

The pair.

Is that a pun?

Tomfrew New Berlin is trying to put past us.

All right, so we'll get back into this too.

Read more of your texts and everything after we have some fun with our pal, Todd Michaels.

That is coming up.

The keyword is play, folks.

Text in the keyword and you're eligible for the grand prize of the nightlight.

Last of summer getaway.

We're coming right back on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back.

This

is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

Great to have you with me.

Do I seem rusty?

Just a little bit.

Just blown the dust off the old radio act here, trying to get back in the groove.

It is Wednesday night, folks.

Our question of the night, what is your favorite Wisconsin quirk?

We use chasers with our Bloody Mary, because they're so spicy, I guess.

I don't know.

I don't know why you need chasers with a Bloody Mary, but we do that here in Wisconsin.

We say bubbler.

My thing was we ask a question that is really more of a statement like going to the store, Pete, that kind of stuff.

Conrad says we use the word couple.

That can mean two or a hundred.

And in Conrad's case, he means beers.

So let us know what your favorite Wisconsin quirk is, and we will read your text on the radio.

Right now, I'm really excited.

This next gentleman is a friend of mine.

Well, I consider him a friend.

I don't know what he's got work and he's You know, he might be one of those people Conrad that doesn't have a room for new friends Todd is approaching middle age and he's already got a ton of friends.

He's very locked in here in Wisconsin, but Enough time foolery.

It is my pleasure to welcome tonight light our old pal radio legend and paranormal investigator.

He is also

Works on the podcast real ghost stories online and hidden killers with Tony bruski mr. Todd Michaels.

Hey, buddy.

How are you?

It was very nice of you to say that I was getting up to middle-aged because I'm certainly already there Listen, it's it's a thing over that

Conrad says a couple beers are like 14.

So we're a little We're not really holding anybody accountable.

I knew I like I knew I like Conrad for some reason It's good to see you.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

How are you, Pete?

Good.

You know, after you left here, Todd, I completely did not put the toilet seat down for a few weeks and I left a coffee cup out because I knew you couldn't be here to do Jack.

You know what about it, buddy?

That's right.

You know what though?

I mean, I felt that like in the deep core inner sides of myself, I knew that that's what was going on.

Here's how intuitive Todd is.

Like, you know, he's a paranormal investigator.

He's very locked in on sensory stuff.

I walked in one night to the station here.

It was probably a year ago.

And he goes, what's up, man?

You okay?

And I totally wasn't, but I never say anything.

It's like, I'm an adult.

I suck it up and move on.

And that's why people have heart attacks.

But, you know, I just, I didn't say anything.

And Todd could tell something was amiss.

And is that, that's really a quality you have, isn't it?

I would say probably I can read a room pretty well.

And sometimes it's a good thing when you want to know, and then there's also a bad thing when you don't want to know or you don't really care.

But yeah, it is true.

Well, in my case, were you saying that out of concern or were you like, I hope something's

wrong with Pete?

No, no, I was worried about you.

All right,

good.

Because I was close to going on air and you wouldn't be able to find anybody or just because you have a genuine concern for my well-being.

Oh, I care about you, Pete.

I really do.

I appreciate that.

Well, it's great to have you here, Todd.

Do you have a favorite Wisconsin quirk or something we do here in Wisconsin that you like?

I don't know if you're aware of this, Todd, but I noticed in Wisconsin that people say, now, when you get to the stop and go lights, go straight.

They'll tell you to go somewhere and then keep going on that path.

Right.

Yeah, that's definitely one of them.

And we call them stop and go lights, too, which is kind of weird, isn't it?

Just like, yeah.

I always like the or no, like it's always, we ask a question and then we give you the opportunity to say no to it.

It's not like just, hey Conrad, are you doing well or no?

You know, we always add that to it.

It should be implied.

It should be implied, you're

right.

It's basically a multiple choice.

We make it a multiple choice question.

That was one of mine too, so that was great.

All right, so Todd, before we jump into the paranormal stuff,

You're still producing content.

You have this great new gig.

Tell us about your real ghost stories online, please.

Well, we just started doing this.

Real ghost stories online was actually started like 11 or 12 years ago by a good friend of mine, Tony Bruski.

He started podcasting when nobody else was podcasting.

And so he's been doing it a very long time.

It's one of the top ghost story podcasts out there was always ranked very well.

And we just started doing something new on Monday nights.

We go live from eight until 10 p.m.

on, you can find it on YouTube, search for real ghost stories online, and we'll be doing them live for two hours every Monday night, telling actual ghost stories from actual listeners.

People call in, tell their stories.

We have audio, we have letters that we read, and we generally mess around for about two hours.

So that's a good portion of what I'm doing right now.

And that's live.

That's pretty cool.

It is.

Yeah.

And what was the, what was the time again, Todd?

Eight till 10 Monday nights on real ghost stories online.

Just find it on YouTube.

But there is so much content that goes out every day.

I can't even tell you like 20 or 30 different pieces of content that we have that go out.

So definitely want to check it out.

If you're into ghosts and if you've got a ghost story, you can always call in with yours as well.

I notice you, you're on eight to 10.

Is that because you knew it would be futile to compete with the juggernaut that is nightlight?

I just thought, why would I want to compete with my very good friend, Pete Schwabba?

You're the best man.

Well, that sounds cool.

And you do, you're involved with the true crime podcast as well.

In Killers with Tony Bruceke.

This is new to me.

I've never been a real true crime lover, but I,

Dived in headfirst and it is amazing what goes on in the true crime world.

And I'll just tell you that starting on Tuesday of next week, we'll be doing a live program every day from 10 a.m.

till noon called Hidden Killers Live.

It's with Tony Bruceke, Stacey Cole and myself.

And we will be talking about some of the biggest stories in the country around the world.

And we bring in experts to talk about it.

FBI,

A former FBI agent, we have psychotherapists on to talk about it.

And there's been like maybe five or 10 stories that we've been really digging into since I took this job.

And it blows my mind some of these stories.

It makes you really wonder about how safe you are on a daily basis in your life.

Oh my gosh.

So I, for me, I'm kind of new to the party when it comes to true crime.

My daughter got me into it and I watched, I think the first true crime thing I watched was either the OJ one on Netflix or the, the night stalker.

That was phenomenal.

And I realized my thing with true crime is I love

when they go from the police perspective, how did you catch them?

What break did you catch?

Like to me, that's fascinating.

The ones that are overhyped and play the eerie music and the mind of a killer, you know, that kind of stuff.

Like I love the procedure part about it.

So would you say you're into true crime now since you've been doing this?

I kind of am.

And there's a story that's out there right now.

Hula was doing a documentary on Fox Hollow Farm.

And this is a guy, Mr. Baumeister.

who lived just outside Indianapolis.

And what they found is this guy, they found like 20 bodies in his backyard.

And it's out on Hulu right now.

You got to check it out.

But the interesting thing about it is not only is it a crazy story of this guy and how he got these people to come home with him and his home life, but also it's kind of turned into the paranormal side now because investigators have gone to Fox Hello Farm.

just outside Indianapolis and actually investigated.

So that's kind of another angle of that story that's really interesting to me.

Oh, wow.

That is cool.

I thought you were like the Baumeister angle.

I thought you were going to say they found like a bunch of empty bottles of root beer.

Get to the bottom of this.

That's cool.

So all right, let's jump into some paranormal talk, Todd.

Yeah.

So you told me about this story today that I was unaware of, the Annabelle Dahl X tragedy, and that must have hit kind of close to home because it was another paranormal investigator around your age.

Tell us what happened.

Well, you know, I'll just kind of generalize it, but the Annabelle Dahl, which has been a big part of the conjuring series of movies, and Titan and Lorraine Warren,

They found this doll years ago and it was just a regular reggae and doll that they said had paranormal stuff go on with it.

They locked it in their museum.

Ed and Lorraine Warren had a museum at their house where they kept all these possessed items and it could be a crucifix, it could be a chair, it could be a piece of clothing and there was this doll and they actually had it locked up in a case that had crucifixes on it and prayers and all that kind of stuff.

Well, several weeks ago, I don't know whose idea this was, but they decided to take this thing on tour to various paracons.

And one of the handlers who handled the dolly, they had to take it out of the case at the Warren's house, put it in another case to take on display.

And the guy died.

He was roughly my age, right?

Seemed to be in relatively good health.

And I know a lot of people are saying, well, is it directly tied in?

I don't know.

But why would you mess with that?

Why would you, if something is, is purportedly haunted, why would you take it out in a sealed case and then take it on tour to put other people in danger?

It just seems really silly to me.

Do you think that's because they didn't believe the curse or that it was haunted or they didn't respect that somehow?

Or like, what would you do?

Would you handle that?

No, absolutely

not.

I wouldn't.

And there's kind of an interesting, another interesting piece of this.

Matt Reif, the comedian, I think you probably know who he is, right?

Sure.

He just recently bought Ed and Lorraine's house.

Oh my gosh.

All right.

So now he's going to, I'm hearing he's going to turn it into like a museum tour.

They're going to do ghost hunting there and all this kind of stuff.

But there is some weird thing in the contract with the house.

I believe he's going to have, he's going to oversee all the haunted items.

And it's just like, I don't know if that's something you really want to do.

If I were editor or Lorraine Warren, and for those who don't know who they are, they were into paranormal investigation before the ghost hunters came out with TV shows and all that.

They were into it in the 60s and 70s.

They were some of the lead investigators on the Amityville horror and of course the Conjuring House too.

So they were around a long time.

But if I were them,

And they're both dead, by the way.

If I were them, I would come back and haunt the hell out of anybody who took a tour of my house.

And the other part of it is a lot of the family is not happy about it because grandchildren are thinking, yeah, this is grandma and grandpa's house.

And now this comedian, like him or hate him, now owns grandma and grandpa's house.

And he plans on doing something with it to make a little cash.

Don't you think karma

should step in here and say, you know, first of all, this guy's a comedian.

You should have a poster of Steve Martin up on your wall with the arrow through his head.

Like now, what are you doing buying a haunted house?

I just feel like this has a recipe.

This will be a movie someday with him.

I don't think it'll end well for him, I guess is what I'm saying.

Don't think, isn't it always that way though?

Like movie stars want to be singers, singers want to be movie stars.

And for whatever reason, Matt Reif has always been into the paranormal.

I think he's big friends with Zach Baggins from Ghost Adventures.

So they've hung out together a little bit.

And I think Zach Baggins is a douche.

But other than that, I think it's just something that's always interesting to him.

And now that he's got some money, he wants to have a little piece of paranormal history, I guess.

You're right.

Comedians want to be singers.

Actors want to be this and that.

And you set me up.

What do you want to be, Pete, when you grow up?

I'm getting to that.

You set me up beautifully, buddy.

Conrad, a C note, please.

And I'm just going to do a quick little thing here.

No.

Conrad

got nervous.

He

thought I was

actually asking him to play the

piano or

something.

Yeah, that's really strange to me that anyone would do that.

And to me, it has horror film written all over it.

The Warrens, interestingly enough, the doll supposedly has the soul of their

I'm not of their six year old, but of a six year old girl that owned the doll that died.

Right.

I think her name was Annabelle.

I don't know.

All right.

Todd Michaels is here.

Todd, we got so I always run out of stuff and I have way too much stuff to talk to you about.

Do we cover this to the degree?

I think so.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's talk about some disappearing airplanes when we come back.

Okay.

Sounds good.

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That was the gig I always wanted.

You know that,

right?

Well,

yeah.

Well, Alan Ludden was one of the best, but I always wanted to work on a game show.

I wanted to be Johnny Olson or, you know, one of those guys that was the announcer.

Yeah.

An announcer gig would be cool because

those

guys, that's like Vanna White.

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But you get paid huge and just saying, here's Alan Lutton.

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don't know if they made that much back in the day, but you'd work on like four or five game shows.

Yeah.

And that's what you do.

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I know.

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I'm going to go get a gig.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You could finish the interview.

I don't think, I don't think 17 minutes is going to affect too much or whatever we have left.

Todd Michaels is my guest.

You can see Todd's work at real ghost stories online and hidden killers with Tony brusky.

You produce these shows, right?

Todd, and you're on the air with them as well.

Correct?

Yeah.

I mean, it's, uh,

Again, the hidden killers live is going to be starting on Tuesday right after Labor Day.

And we started the real ghost stories online a couple of weeks ago.

So that's, that's in full throttle as I'm going to use that word because you used full throttle.

Um, um, so yeah, I'm really excited about being a part of it.

I'm kind of scared to watch things like hidden killers in that.

Cause do

you ever

watch something like that and go, what if I'm a hidden killer?

not in the Homer Simpson voice, but you just really think maybe there's something in you that hasn't been unleashed yet.

Well, when you listen to psychotherapists, now one of the big stories over the last couple of years was what happened in Moscow, Idaho.

And I'm not going to get deep into it because I don't know a lot about it, but Brian Coburger killed four students in Idaho.

And we're just finding out a little bit more about Brian Coburger now.

And it's kind of crazy because when you listen to psychotherapists talk about some of these people,

You know, he studied like other people.

I mean, it's crazy when you think about the domers and they all have a little bit of linkage there.

There's always something really, really in common.

And I will just say this, if you like true crime a little bit, you can go online and get updated on so many.

Different weird people out there and some of the stuff that went down.

It's really crazy.

What is the thing that links that I mean I know they have similarities They always look for like did they harm animals when they were younger that kind of stuff?

But what do you know what the similarity is?

Are you just speaking generally?

I think just speaking generally You know a lot of them are broken in some way shape or form a lot of them had issues in their family dominating mothers

I mean, think of psycho, right?

I mean, we're not far off from that being kind of reality.

So when you look at the family dynamic of some of these people, we're covering Donna Adelson.

She had, well, she's on trial right now, and they're trying to figure out if she mastermind and paid for her son-in-law getting killed in Florida.

Back in like 2014, 20, I don't know how long ago it was.

At any rate,

It is absolutely crazy how that family dynamic worked.

She was the matriarch of the family and kids wouldn't even go to the bathroom and take a crap without asking mommy if it was okay.

And even in adulthood, they didn't do anything in life without approval for mom.

So you see this kind of similarly in so many stories when it comes to true crime stuff.

That's insane.

I've been asking for permission to go to the bathroom my whole life.

I've never killed anybody.

Right?

I mean, that's just, that's a different gene.

Who are you asking?

Just random strangers.

Yeah, that's different.

It's a whole different problem.

I

go over to Hagermeister Park and ask for permission, or do I have to buy something?

Todd, let's get to this.

This is pretty cool.

I always say that, and it's terrible.

It's not pretty cool.

It's a plane crash or a disappearance, but Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

It's been called

the biggest mystery in aviation history as to what happened with that flight.

How do airplanes disappear?

Have you ever investigated anything like that or know people who have?

I mean, I know some people that are into studying it and reading about it and all that.

And it is amazing to me when you look at the number of flights that go down and are never found.

They're just never found.

They may, if they're lucky, find

wreckage somehow in the ocean or something like that, but they never actually find where the plane went down.

Bodies are never found, all that kind of stuff.

And it's not like one or two.

If you look through history, there's a lot, which also makes me scared about getting on a plane.

Listen, I've gotten more scared about getting on a plane, especially after all those incidents earlier in the year.

But I mean, I've never liked flying.

But it was just kind of a necessary thing.

But I don't understand how a plane like they can track it.

It took off 38 minutes later.

It went, you know, dark.

Right.

So if you draw an arrow in 38 minutes or whatever, now I'm doing the Wisconsin thing where we measure distance by time.

But how it baffles me that with all the technology we have that we can't pinpoint or find like you say wreckage.

It almost makes you wonder if something wasn't planned and something's not being hidden.

Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never been that kind of guy, but it is kind of strange when they can't find anything or have

absolutely no answers to the point where it's like, well, it might have just disappeared or is in a different stratosphere or universe right now or something.

Can we keep you for a few more minutes after the news?

Okay.

Todd Michaels is here.

Radio legend, as I like to call him, approaching middle age.

Matt Miller is here at 720.

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