Dexter’s Darkly Dreaming Return: Serial Killers, Aliens, and Celebrity Avoidance(Hour 1)

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And now, a guy who likes to dine and dash, Pete Schwabba.

Welcome to Nightlight, ladies and gentlemen.

Hey, great to have you here on this Friday night as we do a deep dive into the things that make us happy, folks.

It's Friday to begin with, so we should all be happy.

And there's lots to discuss this evening on this gorgeous summer night.

We are in City Deck Landing in downtown Green Bay.

I hope wherever you are in the state of Wisconsin, you're having a positively lovely night.

Conrad, how are you tonight?

You know, something did make me happy today.

Really?

Yeah, I was at the gym and I'm doing this new program that makes me sweat through my shirt.

Yeah.

And some gym bro came up to me and gave me nuts and he says, good bleep.

S.

Good poop.

The S word.

Yeah, and I was like, you know what?

I think we feel really good today.

Thank you.

Like he was giving you a compliment.

Yeah, because he saw hard I was working and my shirt was just what?

That sounds like a pickup line to me.

I'm just saying.

That's good.

What were you doing?

What kind of what kind of exercise got you that?

Well, I was doing back in biceps today, but so all super sets today.

That's the new thing I've been doing.

That's a

great workout.

Just gets me.

And I get my workout done faster, which I like too

You get done faster and you get like a cardio workout even though you're doing weights, which I think is huge I try to do that too.

I also played a little bit of just I was just warming up and playing basketball in the gym and

nice

and The gym that I go into they like don't have AC in the what in the gym to gym days So it's like

there's AC

there's AC outside of that gym

Like by all the workout equipment boom

as

soon as you step in there.

It's like a hundred degrees.

They got one fan blowing That's awful.

So I mean if it's it's good though to get you get you sweaty right away

Yeah, but I don't think so.

I think sweat is like overrated.

I don't think you really lose any more weight by sweating You just lose water.

Yeah.

Well,

and it makes you feel good, you know, like it's like you know,

well, that's why I always have a massive water bottle with me

Here's the thing, I drove here today as I often do on highway 41.

I never changed it up.

I am starting to think, here's the deal.

Two people, again, in the same corresponding, they're both going like 65, they're going the speed limit in the same lane.

This went on for two or three minutes.

Guy in front of me, I'm in the left lane.

Comfortable distance, two seconds, wouldn't move.

It took another guy flying around me on the right to go right up in his tail to get the guy to move.

It's like, that's what you have to do to get people to obey by the rules.

Drive like a maniac.

And I started thinking about this.

My trips down here get more annoying all the time.

And I think God is just laughing.

Listen, if I were God, that's what I would do.

I would mess with people non-stop.

Put a slow driver in front of that guy.

See what happens.

Have no parking for three miles.

That kind of stuff.

That's what I would do.

I would mess with people.

I created everything.

I have licensed to mess with things.

That's what I would do if I were God.

And then he, you know, to make it even more annoying, he makes the annoying people famous.

Well, that's part of it.

He or she, Conrad.

Do you have proof?

No, I don't.

I

don't either.

I'm open-minded.

But, you know, why did he make Kanye West famous?

Kanye West, just to play devil's advocate, did have talent.

He was a brilliant, you know, as I understand it, I don't own anything by Kanye West, but he is massively respected for his early work.

You know who I would go for with that, with no talent.

Tim Kardashian?

Yeah.

The whole

crew.

The whole clan.

I think...

Stupid brother, too.

I don't think anyone has any talent outside of running in that family.

Oh, and that was Caitlyn.

Yeah.

Right.

You got to do the Catholic on winner.

And then there's like a big massive nose drive.

Just a straight, yeah.

Straight deagle.

Fun show tonight, folks.

My pal, Lisa Hale, is on the show.

Lisa is the host of New Whisker Weekend here on, you can listen live on, is it Saturdays and Sundays still kind of?

Yep.

OK, you can listen live on Saturdays or Sunday here on WGBW or WISS, or you can catch the podcast on CivicMedia.us.

It's a great show focusing here on Northeast Wisconsin.

Lisa does a phenomenal job.

She also covers news for Civic Media here in Northeast Wisconsin.

She is a huge fan of the show Dexter.

So we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks now because I just started watching the show.

I'm almost.

four full seasons in.

Very excited to have some serial killer talk with Lisa Hale, who I, she is, I mean, when I mentioned it, she went crazy.

So I'm excited to talk about that with Lisa.

And then it is a bar band Friday night.

And unfortunately,

The segment's namesake could not be here tonight.

Terry Barr is taking the night off, well-deserved, and we are going with the righty out of the bullpen, also known as our pal, Rocker.

Rocker is also a fun participant in Bar Band Friday Nights.

He will be here at 7.35, and we will talk about Wisconsin music.

Hey, how fun was that last night?

Oh, that was...

Those guys were fantastic.

Horace

Green.

I listened to their new song.

Cream?

And, wow, it's...

It's great.

It's fantastic.

If you get a chance, listen to it.

I listen to it on Spotify, and their acoustic version was so close to actually how they produced

it.

Oh, was it really?

It was great.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, it sounded a little bit like the song Kiss from Prince.

Tony has such a cool voice when he does that falsetto.

It was really fun to have those guys.

But

we'll talk more Wisconsin music tonight for Bar Band Friday night.

A quick reminder, Monday night, native Wisconsin son David Zucker will be on the show.

David Zucker is also the writer, producer, director of Airplane, the original Naked Gun, Top Secret.

He also directed Scary Movie.

The guy's got a list of credits a mile long and he is going to be on Nightlight at 6.35 on Monday night.

Very excited to talk to David Zucker.

And that's one of those things like I just grew up watching his movies.

And it's so much fun when you finally, when you get to talk to people that had such an influence on your life, it just makes it that much more exciting.

So I'm very excited to have David on the show on Monday night.

And what else we got?

I think we should do our, why don't we get to our question tonight?

Here's our nightlight question, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's talk

about

the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

What famous person are you glad you're not related to?

What famous person are you glad you're not related to like most people?

At least growing up I remember if somebody met somebody famous it was like the greatest thing ever But I think we've gotten a little more jaded as a society there are people I Would walk right past and not even acknowledge I can't stand them so much Even though they're famous and then there are other people like I've told my story about meeting Chevy Chase at an elevator When I first got to LA that was fun

Those are fun, but who would you?

Who would just turn your stomach?

If you found out you were related to them More simply what famous person are you glad you're not related to 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic you can text us on the civic media app if you're listening there and if you are watching the radio on the stream at X Facebook or YouTube drop us a stream comment and also

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Be part of the show.

Tell us what famous person you are glad you are not related to.

You and I both responded to the social media post.

Who did you say?

I said Kanye West.

Why, you got a thing

about Kanye West.

What happened?

Well, I mean... I mean, he's crazy, but...

The stuff he's been saying is like...

I don't think anyone wants to be even close to him.

I'm out of the loop.

Did he say something new?

You probably can't repeat it on the radio or you

can't but just some of that stuff.

It's it's terrible

Yeah,

I don't get why he still has a platform to say stuff like that

If I google it right now will it come up?

I'm sure a lot of stuff will come up

Plus, he's married to a woman who he expects to be naked whenever they go out in public.

That's kind of a big ask.

Yeah, I'm just surprised he hasn't been like banned on X with all the stuff he said on there.

Oh, no, that's free speech Conrad.

You can't, uh, what a joke that is too.

X has become just bots and horrible people.

I can't believe some of the quotes I read.

Oh, yeah,

there's this.

It's not even political.

It's just hate.

It's bad.

You know,

I was very active when it was Twitter still.

Yeah.

And it just, like every single thing I see on X now, I'm like, all right, well, that's enough of X today.

Yeah.

And when it was Twitter, I was actually had fun on Twitter all the time.

All the sports news I could read, all the stuff like that.

Now it's just,

I mean, I still go there for news.

Sometimes when I want it, when I feel like I'm not, my other sites aren't up to speed.

necessarily, there are people that I trust on Twitter that will tell me stuff, but it's just, I can't, and the problem is, I can't not read the quotes from people.

I know I'm gonna seriously dislike, and Twitter knows that, and then they put those things in front of me.

Like, even if I'm going on to check something on sports, it puts the stuff that knows I'm gonna hate first, so I spend time there.

So it's really my fault.

Hey, there's a new...

TV show out.

I'm excited about it.

Have you heard about alien earth?

I've seen probably 800 ads for the show.

Okay So I'm aware I am Here's what I did.

I do this once in a while.

I was watching I'm in into Dexter I'm in season four which many people say is the best season John Lithgow plays the serial killer that Dexter is probably gonna end up killing at some point

But I thought, you know, I'm kind of dexter out.

I want to break.

So I switched over to Alien Earth.

And as the show started playing, I went to Rotten Tomatoes and I had like 100% in like 90 reviews.

Might not still be at 100%, but it's through the roof.

And I thought, whoa, and I panicked.

I'm like, I can't watch this right now.

I'm not ready.

I'm not ready to watch a 100% Rotten Tomatoes show.

I need to gear up.

So tonight I'm breaking out some non-alcoholic blue moon,

maybe some

popcorn, some cashews.

something.

I gotta approach this properly because the show is supposed to be great and I'm extra excited because Noah Hawley, who turned the Fargo movie into a TV series, I think is brilliant.

I like the TV series almost every season better than I like the movie.

To me, that's how good Fargo is.

So he is helming Alien Earth.

So that's exciting, and I feel like it's going to be a great show.

Right now, I believe it's at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes.

So that means they probably got one bad review out of like 90.

Which I can live with.

That was me.

That was you.

Yep.

Wow, you got certified.

Now, here's, this is interesting.

76% on the popcorn meter, which is the lay people.

So they're batting 75% on, with critics, 75% on the popcorn meter, which is audiences.

That's interesting.

Hmm, I wonder what happens did

but

by the

way, I wanted to go back to did you say John Lithgow is the murderer?

He's the murderer.

He's so creepy.

I Cannot picture that guy as a murderer.

Oh, he's not

every single thing.

I've watched him in he's like a nice dad figure

Yeah, but he's very good actor.

I mean he plays creepy really well and in this in this the first episode that you see of season four on Dexter

He's not wearing clothes.

I'll just say that and the actress that is in the scene with him.

I hope they tripled her rate Because you just have to see it.

It's it's so weird But it hooks you and a lot of people say season 4 is the best episode or is the best season of Dexter 2 so we'll ask Lisa hail about that at 635 You can send us your thoughts on sex in the city.

That's over too folks and just like that the sequel

People are not happy with the ending.

Did you see it?

Let us know.

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Let us know what celebrity you're glad you're not related to.

We are coming right back with a great clip from Superman.

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Welcome back.

You've got a Friday night version of Night Light, folks.

It's great to have you here.

as we close out yet another week with some great conversations tonight.

Lisa Hale will be here.

She is the host of New Whisko Weekend here on WGBW and WISS.

A great show and if you don't live in the area, you can listen to it in podcast form on the CivicMedia.us.

Check it out.

Lisa does a great job and she also covers news for North East Wisconsin for Civic Media.

So she'll be here to talk about the show Dexter, our favorite serial killer.

Who's really just a good guy?

Lisa will be here at 6.35.

And then Rocker is filling in for Terry Barr tonight for Bar Band Friday Night.

Terry is taking a well-deserved vacation today and Rocker will be here.

And we really don't lose the beat with Rocker because the guy knows music and especially Wisconsin, Wisconsin band.

So Rocker will be here at 7.35.

In the meantime, our question of the night is what celebrity or famous person are you glad you're not related to?

That is the question of the night.

Please let us know what you think and we will read your texts I want to this sex in the city and just like that.

Did you I'm assuming I don't mean to be Make assumptions, but you're not someone who watched sex in the city Conrad is that safe assumption?

I you know I watched it when I was younger because it had the word sex in it, but that's about it

Yeah, it wasn't really probably really didn't deliver on what you were hoping for My wife was a fan

And as I mentioned last night, we had a friend of ours, Willie Garcin was in the show, who we were friends with in LA, and Willie was just a great actor.

Willie was also in Kingpin.

He's the guy.

Love that

movie.

So funny.

He says to Woody Harrelson, come on, give me something to read.

I gotta take a dump.

Woody Harrelson says he'll read the shampoo bottle.

And Willie says, I already read this one.

Oh, such great stuff.

But I saw a few episodes.

I know the story.

I did not watch In Just Like That, but people are not very happy with how it turned out.

So if you have an opinion on In Just Like That and the finale, which aired last night, the series finale, let us know, folks.

We'd love to hear what you guys think.

It's kind of like pretty universal, though, that people are unhappy with the ending.

And again, I haven't seen it, but if you want to forum, if you want to complain,

Please, let us know.

What else?

All right, so Conrad found this clip.

I thought this was great.

This is a great example.

It's from the set of Superman, and it's a conversation between the director James Gunn and the lead actor, David Cornswet, who plays Superman.

And I love this back and forth between two creative brains on the set of this blockbuster that just came out three weeks ago.

Let's hear it, Con.

The whole crew is sitting around waiting like, come on, let's shoot, let's get this done.

So finally I walked off set to talk to him in person.

So great, but the... Am I just demonstrating?

So if I say, that's what it is to be human, that feels like I'm trying to prove it still as opposed to I really know it.

I think there's a little bit of... I mean... Okay.

Let me try

that.

The emotions are

always lingering.

But isn't there something that the... I felt like sh** about myself since the recording came out.

It's just been like, I don't belong, I'm sh**.

Everything's a lie.

I'm not who I thought I was.

When is this not the moment where I go, I was wrong to feel that way?

That's exactly where the issue is, right?

Because what he didn't tell you was it was wrong to feel that way.

There are feelings and there are thoughts.

Your feelings about feeling bad are okay.

It's not wrong for you to feel that way.

You should just, it's not right or wrong anything.

None of it is right or wrong.

All of it is being vulnerable and being a human being.

And in this moment, for you to talk about how it's okay to be vulnerable, you have to be vulnerable, which means showing Lex that your feelings are hurt.

in the point when you really

shouldn't

Superman

great clip good find

yeah I just even just behind the screen I felt as a motion for this

yeah

scene and you can really if you watch the film you can feel that scene at the end

you do and I love seeing the passion of these two guys these two creative people

Like David Cornswatt, he's a good Superman.

I liked it.

I liked his performance.

I love how intense he was.

He wanted to nail this.

He wanted the director to be happy.

The director wanted the actor to be happy.

Great on set discussion.

Love that clip.

Folks, be part of the show.

What famous person are you glad you're not related to?

Conrad says Kanye West.

I said the nudge.

Ted Nugent.

No thanks.

Never really.

Why not?

What's wrong with him?

Well,

first of all,

he's got the whole pedophile label following him around.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I don't like his music.

I think it sucks.

And, uh, yeah, I don't like him as a person.

I don't like the things he says.

He's very incendiary.

Um, he's very political too, which, you know, if you, if you sing about stuff in your lyrics and it comes out, I'm fine with that, but I just don't like the guy.

And Conrad says Kanye West, not a huge fan of Kanye West either.

And someone put Sean Combs, he's on my list too.

Yeah, Diddy is not someone you wanna

be around.

Between him and Ted Nugent, that's like, I don't need people in my life that look at women like that, regardless of age.

I mean, Sean Combs just completely abused his power apparently.

Did you follow the trial?

Not really, but you know, I just, I really,

It's

pretty

impressive.

Yeah, it's because Justin Bieber was like under his wing

for a very long time.

And there's a lot of suspicion that Justin Bieber was abused, too.

His behavior, I don't know if it has anything to do with this or what, but wow.

He's having a tough time right now, apparently.

So there you go, three people, Ted Nugent, Sean Combs, Kanye West.

I would put the Kardashians on that list as well.

So if they were walking down the street, you just walk past them?

Well, what else would I do?

Kim, let me get a picture.

No.

No.

No.

You know what I would do?

Actually, we've been doing this thing where we take a picture through the window the last three nights.

We've got a three-game hitting streak going.

We've got to find someone to take a picture through the window tonight.

If Kim Kardashian walked past, maybe I would do that.

Oh, that's it.

What else

am I going to do?

Ask her for legal

advice?

I think if you walked down the street and you saw her, you'd be like, can I take a selfie, please?

Conrad, you don't know me at all.

This is Peach Wabba Nightlight.

We're coming back with some serial killer talk after the news.

How can you miss that, folks, on a Friday night?

GD it.

I'm Peach Wabba.

This is Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

Two nightlight ladies and gentlemen happy Friday everybody great to have you with me So we've been doing this thing where we've been taking a picture at the diver started it He did he sent us some window love.

He made a little heart gesture through the window I took a picture I posted it and I did my daughter's photo I put that up there and then last night Conrad so I went out during the break to look for someone and there's a couple walking by And I almost you know, they're an older couple.

I thought this would be fun

and they look like they just were about to get divorced.

So I thought if I were to ask them to do this, maybe it would have saved their marriage.

I don't

know.

But the guy could have taken a swing at me too.

So we'll figure that out.

Our question of the night, folks, is what celebrity or famous person are you glad you're not related to?

Let us know and be part of the show.

We'll read your text on the radio.

Right now, I'm really excited.

I've been waiting for this for a while.

As I mentioned earlier in the show, I'm a big fan of the show Dexter.

Not typically a huge serial killer fan, but Dexter's taken one for the team.

He's kind of a good guy.

And when my pal Lisa Hale found out that I was watching Dexter, she got all excited.

And I thought it would be a good radio discussion, even though the show is kind of old.

I'm just getting to it.

But that's the nature of the beast here with all the content that's out there.

Sometimes it takes us a while.

So joining me now on Nightlight, as she has so many times before, is the host of New Whisko Weekend here on WGBW and WISS.

And if you're listening elsewhere in the state, you can stream the podcast at civicmedia.us.

It's a great show.

Lisa does a great job.

She also covers news for Northeast Wisconsin.

on some specific media.

So she's got a lot on her plate and that is the voice of Lisa right there.

Hi, how are you?

Hi there, how are you doing?

I'm doing really well tonight.

I hope you're doing fine too.

You're a busy girl and I appreciate all the more you coming on the show to discuss on a Friday night when I know your husband is probably waiting there in the background to watch James Bond with you.

Actually, we finished all the James Bond movies.

OK.

Now we're doing Kevin Smith movies, and we finished all the View-A-Skew.

We've done all the View-A-Skew.

Now it's time to do the non-View-A-Skew Kevin Smith movies, the Jersey Girls, the Zach and Mary's, the Red State, and then Yoga Hozers.

Probably won't do Tusk because my husband hates that movie, but.

I have to check those out.

I am not nearly up on Kevin Smith movies as you are.

I saw the early ones and I've probably, I've got some like work to do there.

Are you a fan more of his early stuff or later stuff, please?

I really, really enjoy the View SQ universe, which is what we call the earlier stuff.

The clerks, mall rats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob, love that entire series of movies.

But I also really like when he veers off,

I thought Red State was groundbreaking, got a little silly in some spots, but I really thought Red State was an excellent, excellent movie.

One of those that you'll continually talk about.

Now, you will continually talk about Tusk too, if you see that, but I do not recommend that movie.

Why don't you recommend it?

Because it is just weird.

The concept of Tusk is this guy

A serial killer, so to speak, keeps getting people and creating them into animal type things.

He turns a guy into a walrus for all intents

and purposes.

So

it is

really

out there.

So this is the thing with Kevin Smith.

He gets, he, critics are kind of split on him.

Like if you love him, you'll love him.

Especially the early stuff, but like Tusk, it doesn't look like people knew what to make of Tusk or critics or audiences, which I think is kind of funny.

And that's exactly it.

It's one of those things.

It doesn't fit into a little niche, and it certainly doesn't fit into the view askew universe.

So that's OK.

It's not all.

There's there's a phrase that Kevin Smith uses to describe his movies.

And I don't know if it's appropriate to say on the radio, but it's all blank and fart jokes.

And that's what view askew is.

So.

Oh, that's great.

Well, you don't have to apologize for anything here, Elise.

We are a open door policy, whatever people like.

Okay.

We love it.

So it's great to have you here.

Well,

you know, when you said you were starting to watch Dexter, I was like, oh, let us start because I've been a fan of Dexter since before the television show.

I actually read the books from Jack Lindsay.

Yes.

So I've been a fan of Dexter and that anti hero, the serial killer of serial killers for years.

And I just, I don't know if you can see my toy.

I even have

toys.

Wow.

That's so great.

I mean, you know, it's interesting.

Dexter is almost like, like he's a vigilante.

He's Batman in a way.

He just goes really far with it, right?

Yes, exactly.

He's an anti-hero

just like

Batman is an anti-hero and I believe it was season two when they actually kind of did skew it towards the vigilante side of him, you know, right?

They there was the dark defender where people were talking about.

Yeah

Yeah, he's definitely kind of got that vigilante feeling.

So you have just finished season three, correct?

Yes.

I'm five episodes into season four.

And I want to just for people who haven't seen the show or don't know what we're talking about, Dexter came out in 2006.

It ran for

like seven

or eight seasons.

Dexter is a serial killer.

He plays a path out or well he analyzes blood splatter at crime scenes for the police and he decides Who should live or die basically like he is he goes after people that slip through the cracks the people that get away with it They don't because Dexter is going to get them so he has this killer vibe or urge That from a young age his father told him he had to corral he has to check it and only use it for good

So you could argue whether what he's doing he should do or not, but it makes for great TV, doesn't it?

It really does and the code that

you're talking about

the code that his dad taught him and you know, it goes beyond the original Run of Dexter like you mentioned the eight seasons then just recently we have had Dexter new blood Where we come back and we see he's come back a bit and I'm not gonna spoil

the eighth season for you or anything.

But he is there.

And then we've had Dexter Original Sin, which shows us his beginnings.

And it is fantastic.

They did such a good job with casting that particular one because they showed Dexter as a young person.

Yeah, they cast a really good person to play him.

And then now we have Dexter Resurrection.

So he's getting a lot of attention right now because he's got these reboots, so to speak, or this revisiting of the character now.

You just killed four of my questions with

your...

I'm so sorry.

I told you.

Totally kidding.

I might ask you to elaborate a little on those, but I want to keep the focus on the original because it's just such a groundbreaking...

When I first heard of this show and this guy is a serial killer and they had the great, he's, first of all, what's your take on Michael C Hall, the guy who plays Dexter?

Could you have cast a better looking person for that role?

He is

perfect.

He is

exactly who I envisioned Dexter to be when I was reading it.

Just

an average kind of guy, red hair, just handsome, but not too handsome.

Blends in but doesn't blend in so it really he but looks a little crazy when

at a certain point like in season two I think it was Lila that painted him the guy It's a brilliant cast I don't know what Michael C Hall's credits were before desk dexter, but you're right.

He's a good-looking guy Pretty unassuming, but he has this crazy look sometimes where you totally buy

not that all people with a crazy look are serial killers, but it's really fascinating.

I thought they hit a home run with him.

They really did.

Before Dexter, he was in Six Feet Under.

He

played one of the sons in Six Feet Under and was really good in that.

He had some bit parts here and there and some movies, but he also did a lot of stage work.

And when he took a break from Dexter, he went back to doing some stage work too and did a couple

series, but now that he's back to Dexter, I'm all I'm all happy.

I can tell you that.

Yeah, I agree with you.

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All right.

So we've established Michael C Hall is great.

I also love the sister character Deb.

Oh, Deb is fantastic.

Very well cast.

And she's just such a like a gritty,

person, she's very sexual, goes after what she wants, she's almost like, I don't even want to say that because that sounds stereotypical, but she's like a, she's such an enigma, she's a great character.

She is, and she's got such a wonderful potty mouth, and I absolutely love that about that character.

Same.

Her potty mouth is to die for, but.

In season one, you know, you see her just starting to feel her way in.

But as the things go on and she she really comes into her own and I really enjoy the development of her character.

Now, there is a season where I just wanted to punch her, but I'm not going to get into that.

OK.

So that's awesome.

There are there are seasons where you sit there and you go, why?

Why did they kind of?

Yeah, it back or make her do this for her development and things like that.

But.

You know, I believe that was season six.

I wasn't happy with that.

OK, she here's what I like about her, too.

I love that she's potty mouth and she's just does does what what her urge is.

Whatever, she's great.

But

I

love that she just loves her big brother, too.

Oh, yeah, craving a relationship with Dexter.

But he's so weird.

He's so detached sometimes because of who he is.

That's a great dynamic in the show as well, right?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And.

they really when you after you watch this run of

Dexter and then you get into the new series that are coming out You'll also see that they keep that going in original sin when they revisit

okay

grew up together And it's really very good the way they do that.

It's so great And I you know, I don't know if you know this about me Lisa my writing my background is writing and I've written for TV and some movies I feel like everything starts with the script you don't have anything if you don't have a good script Dexter by season two probably

I was completely won over by the writers.

I thought, what are they going to do here?

How are they?

This is a little implausible.

How are they going to get out of this?

And they did it.

And it's so well written.

And now I have total trust that whatever happens, it's going to make sense.

And the writers, I trust the process.

And you can do that.

Now, you just got through season three, which I was not a fan of the

El

Prado.

It was an

OK season,

but you're

in season four right now,

halfway through,

which, which is the Trinity killer.

as the big bad and

let

me tell you that is the best season of Dexter period the best season the rest of them are okay they're good but the trinity killer the best

i'm excited and i i've heard you say that and i've done a little research and it seems to be

that that's a consensus so I'm excited I'm kind of taking my time whenever I know I'm watching something I'm gonna like and I just said this with Alien Earth I started I took a break from Dexter last night I started Alien Earth and then I looked it up on Rotten Tomatoes it was getting like a hundred percent I was like whoa

I can't watch this.

I need better

snacks.

You know, I

totally spazzed out.

So Lisa Hale is here, folks.

We're talking about Dexter.

We're going to do a very short break.

We'll get into a little bit more about Dexter and what's coming up on new WISCO weekend.

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as you just heard.

And we are talking about the show Dexter with our pal, Lisa Hale, who covers news for Civic Media here in Northeast Wisconsin.

And she is the host of new WISCO Weekend.

We'll get a quick little plug for that soon because there's a great show coming up this weekend that you need to check out here at WGBW and WISS.

We're talking, we'll do a few more minutes here on Dexter.

Lisa, do you have a favorite, let's assume you like Trinity.

the season four villain the best.

Who are your other favorite villains on the show?

I really enjoyed the Ice Truck Killer because it was such a nod to the first book.

Everything is based on the first book, Darkly Dreaming Dexter.

And that was where we met the Ice Truck Killer and Met Dexter and all that.

After that, the series really

veers completely away from the books, does not follow the books, except for book one.

And so I really enjoyed that first season, but man, the Trinity season is the best.

And I'm totally digging the season that's going on right now with resurrection.

I'm

enjoying it very much.

Could there be a dexter in real life?

Do you think there is someone in this world

who either historically has done what the Dexter character does, or something you've heard about more recently, or is there a character that's the inspiration for the books that the author was aware of that might have had similarities?

I don't know about that.

I mean...

You hear of avenging angels, you hear of avengers, you hear of vigilantes all the time.

I don't know if there is a serial killer that Jeff Lindsey based Dexter on, although I do love the idea of a serial killer that kills serial killers or that kills serial rapists or pedophiles or whatever that goes after the bad guys.

I love

that.

I think that's just.

stellar idea, and if I was a different type of person and had a different psychopathy, maybe I would be that person, but I'm

not.

Can you corral crazy?

That is the question, I suppose.

Well, that's the whole question

of

Dexter, really, because he has this psychopathy.

He is a sociopath.

and is not that way because he was born that way, but because he was created that way from his history.

And so, you know, he doesn't feel emotions.

He doesn't connect with humans in the right way.

And

I want to ask you, you just said that, okay, so that's a nature nurture thing, I guess, early in the, I think season one, they talk about what Dexter witnessed when he was a kid, his mom being killed and he sat there in a bloody, like,

Were they trying to say that that's why he does what he does?

It just affected him.

It was so traumatic.

So it's not that he was born with this gene, so to speak.

Right.

He will throughout the season refer to himself as being born in blood, meaning

that when

his mother was killed that way and that horrifically in front of him, and he sat there for several days in her pool of blood with his brother, Beini.

you know, they both were formed and formulated at that point.

Now, the flashbacks you will see throughout the series of Dexter with his brother and Dexter with his mother, you kind of get the feeling that his brother was kind of a little bit on the edge before then.

But I really think Dexter himself was born in blood, as he says.

That's really interesting.

All right.

Tell me something negative about the show.

You're such a fangirl.

Tell me, force yourself to find a negative.

I can find a negative.

Okay.

I did not like, and I believe it was season six.

It might have been season seven.

I'm not, I don't have my notes in front of me, but I did not like the direction they tried to take with Deb and Dexter.

You will find this later, and I don't want to spoil it for you.

Okay.

but Deborah thinks she is in love with Dexter at one point.

And I just don't think it works.

Why do

they have to

go there?

I didn't

think that worked.

Yeah, they went there.

And I just, I didn't

think

it

worked.

To explain to people, they are both adopted, but it's like, you don't want Greg and Marcia Brady to date either.

It's just kind of strange, right?

It's not right.

Right.

I was wondering, I was like, I hope she's not going there and sure enough.

They

do.

In one season, they take it there.

So I wasn't really happy with that.

And then when they did New Blood, which is one of the newer series

where they

brought him back, I didn't like how they watered him down.

It felt like a...

a watered-down version of Dexter.

He wasn't doing his Dexter things.

He was just too angsty, and yes, he was looking after a big bad and trying to catch a big bad, but it just wasn't in the Dexter way, you know?

Right.

Okay, fair enough.

All right, and then I hope you can stick with us to the news.

I want to talk about Newisco Weekend and what's coming up.

Can you give us a few minutes on the other side?

I certainly can.

All right, fantastic.

We have about a little over a minute before we have to go to the news.

What would you rank?

What's your favorite iteration of Dexter other than the original?

You listed them before.

You got resurrection, original sin, new blood.

If I had to go in order right now, it would be original Dexter, then original sin, then resurrection, then new blood.

Okay.

But

I

would also have to put the books in there and that would go above the series, I do believe, simply because I did read all of the Dexter books and I really thoroughly enjoyed the character.

Oh, that's so great.

Wow, this has been a fun, you're always a fun guest, Lise, but this is a really cool discussion.

Well, when

it's, you know, I'm a little bit on the spectrum, and when I get a special interest, I really delve into it.

Yeah.

The next year is one of my special interests, so I will learn everything, everything I can

about it.

Oh, that's very obvious, and it's so cool.

We had a great conversation with Dan Schaeffer, Civic Media's own recombobulation area, Dan Schaeffer, about the wire the other night.

And now we're doing dexter tonight.

So this has been a fun week on nightlife We're just digging really deep into shows like that.

So Lisa Hale is my guest folks She's the host of new whisk a weekend You're gonna find out what's coming up on this weekend's episode and I'll give you a sneak peek of my classic movie pick to which you can hear on Lisa's show She does a great job and our question of the night is what famous person are you glad you're not related to Quite a bit of a

A lot of fun different answers.

We'll get into all that after the news in EC2.

It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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