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Revving Up Laughs and Artistry (Hour 1)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Mon Aug 4, 2025
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a guy who still likes to build a fort.
Pete Schwabba.
Welcome to Night Light folks.
I am Pete Schwabba.
It is great to have you with me.
It is finally Monday.
We're back on the air doing nightlight, talking about all the things that get our juices flowing and make us hit the ground running in the morning.
Movies, TV, comedy, music, some fun Wisconsin festivals, and lots going on.
It's a great night here at Nightlight.
Glad you're here.
We have a great show tonight, folks.
It is a beautiful night in Green Bay.
I hope it's beautiful where you are, and I hope you had a great day.
Conrad, what is your, do you have a five day forecast you could throw at us just so people listening know we're not just talking about, we're doing indulgent things like talking about show business, like what's the weather like around the state?
It's pretty nice.
Sweet.
All right, we'll be right back after this.
That's Conrad Krieger folks.
He's working the board and he had, you had a, did you have a good
weekend?
Yeah, I mean, basically all I did was sit at home.
I cleaned a little bit.
Okay.
I golfed and I wasn't so naked gun.
Yeah.
What was funnier?
You golfing or seeing Naked Gun?
Naked Gun.
I know you're a pretty good golfer, actually.
No, I had some pretty comedic shots, but, you know.
Yeah.
I saw Naked Gun, as you know.
Today, I came down to Green Bay early to catch the film.
We'll talk about that in just a couple of minutes.
We both have kind of a review of the film.
I know you had a harrowing issue.
I talk about, folks, I talk often about my drive down from Marinette to Green Bay on a daily basis.
And there's always some Knucklehead doing something that makes me want to talk about bad drivers or clueless drivers, but you had kind of a scary thing Happen to you.
Yeah, I did but you know last week after the show on Friday.
I Didn't take my usual way home.
I needed to go to the festival And on my way down the road is 35 all sudden I see someone right on my butt Bumper to bumper almost and I have my music blaring
And
also, I hear some beeps.
I'm like, is this part of the song?
So I turn
it down and then this guy just keeps honking at me.
I'm like, what's going
on?
Is
that part of the song?
I get to the stop light.
And as soon as it turns green, not a second after it, the guy honks at me.
Wow.
I'm going 40.
I'm like, I'm not going slow.
And then he goes, he passes me.
It's a two lane.
Not on the correct way he's supposed to pass me He goes into oncoming traffic and passes me and where in
Green Bay is this
those you know I think on main just right if you just keep going on the strip towards festival and Where I see he passes me and we get to another stop light Stop behind it.
I see two like I don't even know they're two modified cars
That the mufflers, you know, you
can hear really loud.
We do that all the time here.
There used to be racing on the street Yep, I found myself in the middle of like an illegal race in Green Bay
And the guy was trying to get around you to race this other idiot.
Yep So let me ask you this did you join the race with your 12 year old Mercury?
You should you could have smoked him how sweet would that have been?
Um, they were probably going about 70 on that 35.
So I think I'm good.
Oh my God.
It really makes me mad.
You know, it's like, it's like, if he just waited a second, he could have gone around the right way to pass me, but
he wanted to
win.
He wanted to win.
Here's the other thing.
They could have not dragged race right in the middle of town.
Right?
Like
go to the country.
Yeah, exactly.
But
no, it's more fun like that.
We've been out of traffic, I guess.
And risking everybody else's life.
Yeah.
Honestly, you could, you could drive 10 minutes and you're in the country and go down some country road and crack up your own car.
I'm glad you're okay, buddy.
Yeah.
Did you flash him the brights?
I should have.
They actually, they did flash their lights at me too while honking.
I mean, it just takes guts, you know, like to behave like that when you're, when you're driving.
You know, I wanted to
give
them the magic bird.
Yeah.
But I didn't know what I was doing whatsoever.
I just kept going.
Well, listen, you're smart not to do that.
Yeah.
It's not like I used to do that sometimes like 25 years ago.
I'm sure as hell wouldn't do it now.
No, I was, I was like, you know what?
I'm just going to go grocery shop.
Yeah, you don't know.
I mean, listen, I own tons of guns, but I don't keep one in my car when I'm
driving.
That's
my issue.
So I wouldn't flip them off either.
Well, that worked out all right.
I drove down here early because I wanted to get down here today so I could see the naked gun.
It's the first
Not first and I'm sure someone will point out there's been another big comedy in the theaters Semi recently, but this is notable because it's a comedy.
It's on the big screen It's not going right to Netflix like happy go more to or even kind of friendship.
I guess friendship did spend a little bit of time in the theaters But the naked gun was highly anticipated a reboot if you will not necessarily a remake but a reboot of the naked gun from the 90s and
Liam Neeson stepped into the Leslie, Leslie Nielsen role.
And I don't know, here, my overall thoughts about the movie, it's like an hour and 10 minutes long.
It's like barely feature length.
You could argue it's not really feature length.
It was strange and like the credits went on for like 15 minutes.
So at the end of the day, it was probably an hour and 20, hour and 25 minutes, but the movie itself,
I bet 70 minutes, an hour and 10 minutes maybe.
So, and I know you messaged me over the weekend and you said there were big laughs throughout.
There were some big laughs.
It got a 90% on Rotten Tomato.
I love the original Naked Guns with the Wisconsin native, Zucker Brothers and Pat Proft and the films they made, Airplane, Hot Shots, Naked Gun, all masterpieces.
So I'm using that as the bar is high.
Having said that, this film does have some
big laughs.
And like you said, I mean, I don't know if you mentioned it, but in your theater, you went to, you said there was only one other person.
There's one other person.
There's a woman who was about 70.
I almost went and sat next to her just so we could have the shared experience, which you probably would have freaked out.
And I don't, and that might have had something to do with it, but I've been around comedy enough where I know, and here's the thing, like Liam Neeson was pretty good, but he's not Leslie Nielsen.
He's a little miscast in the sense that he's just like this ass kicker playing this funny role now, and he's got chops.
He's a great actor.
And I know that, you know, they put Pamela Anderson in the Priscilla Presley role and... I don't know, is it Priscilla?
Who's, who's uh... Yeah,
I think it's Priscilla.
Priscilla's
the daughter, right?
You
know...
No, Priscilla was Elvis's wife.
You know what I think was... Yeah.
Like, it was a weird start to that movie when he is...
dressed up as like a seven year old girl.
That actually made me laugh.
I knew that was coming though.
I'm like, what?
Yeah, that was pretty.
He pulls the mask off like in Mission Impossible.
Yeah.
He's like a nine year old girl scout selling cookies and then all of a sudden then he rises up and he's like six foot five Liam Neeson.
So there were some good laughs.
I wouldn't tell you not to go.
I just didn't think.
After like 30 minutes, I was kind of like.
This is all the longer this needed to be, you know,
you know,
I like it better than I did.
I really like to comment in it.
Yeah.
And I looked up the runtime of the original naked gun and it was an hour and 35.
And so was this one.
This was not an hour and 35.
There's no way.
That's what it said on the internet.
And you got to believe everything that's on the internet.
So.
Yeah, but not bad.
I mean, I wouldn't tell you not to go see it.
I mean, and especially if you if you go to the theater and that's how you should see it.
Ideally with a crowded theater at you know, 320 on a Monday afternoon at Marcus East here in Green Bay There was not a huge and I spilled cheese on my shirt, which I felt like a real hillbilly,
you know, I went on Saturday at 2 30 There was like 12 people in there and every single it felt like it was a bigger crowd because the laughs that were hadn't that really everyone was just dying laughing with the the scene when the
Guy was with the binoculars, you know
That is a great a great and it's right out of the zucker brother's playbook It's so great and they keep going with it and escalating it like where there's a dog And it's cross or you know You think the dog is biting his crotch and they show you what's really happening very funny stuff But I would give it out of five.
I'd probably give it a two and a half maybe three stars.
I don't know Yeah,
I'd probably be around there too like the story was kind of weird.
Yeah,
but the comedy was hilarious.
So It's a mix for me
Yeah.
No, I would agree.
And I don't, and Danny Houston, who is, I believe John Houston's son, he's good as the bad guy, but he gets cast as the bad guy all the time.
And he's probably made a pretty good living doing it.
But I just, I don't need to see that guy again.
I think Hugh McDonald should have played that.
Who's that?
Oh, I think I said his name wrong.
Hugh Mc, Chris McDonald?
The, the guy we were talking about last week who doesn't kiss anyone else.
Oh, Neil McDonough.
I said the wrong name.
You, I
don't know where I got that,
but.
This says naked gun is 85 minutes.
There's absolutely no way.
I bet 70 minutes, 15 minutes and the credits took forever.
So.
Well, yeah, the credits, there was like a scene in the credits.
Right.
And it's interesting.
Jim Abraham's get, oh, he gets writing credit though, because of the TV show, the police squad, which is what it's from.
He didn't work on this and he just passed away like a year ago.
The Zucker brothers.
Got credit for writing, just for characters.
Apparently, David Zucker, a good Wisconsin native son, he and his brother Jerry, who I believe both went to UW Madison.
David said he doesn't want to see it.
He wishes them well.
He's glad comedy is back in the theater, but he said he doesn't want to see the film.
And having said, it's not like he has ill will, although it did say in the article I read in the Hollywood Reporter that he did have a script.
where there's the son of Drebben, who's like in his 30s, and the studio never made it.
So this is kind of similar to that.
But that was interesting, I thought.
And my guess is that he's gonna take a peek at it at some point.
You know, I just, I really did appreciate that we got to see a comedy film like this, because I feel like it's been a long time.
In the theater.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
That's why I appreciated it so much when I was in it.
Totally with you.
And I'm hoping, and it has, it made $17 million it's opening weekend, another like 15 overseas.
make money.
But, uh, and without big comedy names in it, Kevin James, Sandler, Steve Martin, whomever, you like, there's just, it's Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson.
And there's like nobody else.
Like Danny Houston works a lot, you know, but there's no other huge names, no comedy names.
You know, you don't
see.
I forget who was, I can't think of the guy's actual name, but the guy who plays his partner.
Yeah.
That guy's hilarious.
He's very funny
in every role he has been in.
Yeah,
he's
so funny.
He's
in Cobra Kai.
Oh, yeah.
And he plays like a
35-year-old that just likes to hang with like, like 18-year-olds.
Like he wants to be young again, but he can't.
All right, so if you've seen Naked Gun, folks, feel free to share your thoughts on the movie with us.
Phone lines are open, text line is open, 855-752-4842-855-757.
And without further ado, let's go to the nightlight question of the night.
Talk about the question.
Okay, question.
Question.
Question.
Pregunta.
Question.
Question.
Okay, I have a question.
Questions.
This question.
Domanda.
Question.
Questions.
Oh, this is perfect.
It is National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookies?
This is a fun question.
If for nothing else, you just get to think about chocolate chip cookies.
Maybe possibly the most famous dessert ever.
It's National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day, folks.
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookies?
I'm gonna go first.
I'm gonna say proudly Mrs. Fields, even though she's not around.
Or her company isn't around anymore.
I used to love
those little
cookies.
Mrs. Fields cookies.
Well, they had little ones, but the big ones too.
They had the milk chocolate were great, and then the, oh God, the dark chocolate were great too.
I gotta go with Uncle Mike's.
Uncle Mike's Bakery, chocolate chip cookies?
Those are so good.
Okay.
I thought all they sold was crungle that weighs 12 pounds.
They sell everything you could imagine.
All right, let us know, folks.
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookie?
That's tonight's Nightlight Question of the Week, weighing on Naked Gun, if you want.
Or whatever you're watching, let us know.
Be part of the show and we'll read your text on the radio.
We're coming back to read some text.
And I'm going to tell a funny story, too.
It's Peach Wabbit and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
I fall
Oh, you've been on a fast train, and it's going off the rails, and you can't come back, can't come back.
Great to have you with me.
I'm Pete Schwab.
This is Nightlight.
You've got the Civic Media Radio Network.
On your Monday night here, we're talking about all things show business and entertainment and fun, like we do every night, whether it's Conrad getting into a reluctant drag race,
Me watching the much anticipated comedy with one other person in the theater who was Easily 70 years old.
I give her credit though.
Like that's cool.
She went to see
a movie the
other day.
I Don't mean to like, you know Denigrate her for any reason So this was kind of funny.
I by the way Dylan and Cole Sprouse Birthday big birthday.
You grew up watching them, right?
Oh,
yeah,
I was thinking that show big-time sweet life is acting Cody fan.
Yeah
I'd watch it almost every day.
I feel like
yeah,
and they're huge I watch sweet life on deck as well all the movies that they had Oh, that's sweet
life on deck That was the one if my son wanted to watch that I go, please.
No, please big boys toy story.
Please.
No, it was
so
good.
I
Like mr. Mosby.
Oh Yeah, yeah, miss.
Wow.
Mr.
Lewis
Here's what I find interesting even though Cole and Dylan are twins.
Yeah
Most people don't know this.
They were also born at the same time.
Oh.
So anyhow, do you know we had a big release last week that we missed too?
The Wiggles.
Did you ever watch The Wiggles
for each
salad?
Come on.
I don't know if I did
or not.
The Wiggles are
awesome.
They were this down under Australian group and they just sang and they had happy faces and these five white dudes driving around in a Wiggles car.
And I have to tell you,
Somebody scored me some sweet Wiggles tickets at the Universal Lamp of Theater.
So I thought I'm gonna take Joe, my son, who's probably like, I don't know, six at the time.
So it's one of those things.
I'm like, all right, well, this'll be fun.
We're going to see the Wiggles live, you know, with 3,000 other people.
And it was like a mile from our house.
So it was great.
We parked, we're in there.
And the anticipation, I've been to some, a few big rock concerts.
When the lights went down and kids yelled for the Wiggles, I couldn't believe it.
And then this
screen opened up and they show the Wiggles.
I think I've told the story before on the show, but a long time ago.
They show the Wiggles getting off the plane and landing in LA.
And then they show them walking through the airport and kids are cheering and their parents, you know, we're all just kind of like tolerating it, whatever.
They show the Wiggles getting into a car at LAX, their little wiggle mobile.
It's a convertible and they all four of these guys fit.
They show them on the 405 freeway, getting off at North Hollywood in the universal city.
And then they show them pulling into the
into the concert hall, and then they drive on stage.
I was going as crazy as the kids.
It was like the coolest thing ever.
I don't know who made that video, but it was fantastic.
I think my son, Joe, was even giving me some looks like, Dad, please calm down.
I'm with my peers
here.
Just relax.
This is in Springsteen.
Calm down.
You know what?
ESPN does that too.
What do you mean?
Anytime there's a big game, you see Aaron Rodgers going down the tunnel.
Oh, yeah.
It was
that same.
Except
they started at the airport.
Like it was it was like the Badgers when they leave the locker room.
Yeah,
show them walking on the side.
Then they go down the tunnel.
It was like this.
The build up was insane.
That's that's
that's some good.
That's some good concert stuff right there.
I wish I could have been
there.
It's great promotion.
I'm sure you were there in spirit.
Hey, we got a text overnight, didn't we?
No, I reread it.
It's not not for us.
Well, it's in a different language and it was a voice note.
So
oh, okay.
We have do we have fans overseas?
I'm
not sure.
Okay Green Bay is a we broadcast from Green Bay most nights and this is a nationally recognized
You know
Place yeah, thanks to the Packers
the Green Bay
Packers We've got our question of the night folks is it's national chocolate chip cookie day.
We knew this day was coming What is your favorite who makes the best chocolate chip cookies?
I say Mrs. Fields.
I don't think
You can maybe buy Mrs. Fields in the grocery store, like, to make it home, but those stores aren't in the mall anymore.
They're replaced by, like, Wetzel's pretzels or some lame... Wetzel's pretzels sucks.
Why would you get a... It just... I can't believe a pretzel novelty place is making it at the mall.
You know what, I like... I like when they have Cinnabon.
Oh, Cinnabon's dynamite, yeah.
Yeah, that's...
What about, what about anti-ans though?
Is that a pretzel place too?
Yeah, that's way too many pretzel places.
And here's the other thing.
Can we please be done with cookie dough?
Why is cookie dough in everything now?
There, I mean, yeah.
Cookie dough, mint chocolate chip, cookie dough, chocolate chip.
Cookie dough is like, it was fun when you were a kid and actually ate the cookie dough.
But in ice cream, it's just a weird, it's like an interruption.
You know
for the gorgeous texture that is cold cream ice cream and then oh and here's this uncooked Egg and whatever it is.
It's terrible.
Yeah, I saw when I went to the store when I when I was in a drag race and went to festival I Saw that they had edible cookie dough still like on the shelves pretty much.
It was like a big container.
Yeah, but and it was like I think it was like nine bucks.
You got like five of them
Who
buys
that?
That's weird.
I don't get it.
It's in way too much ice cream.
Oh, and then there's, that's like a deterrent for me.
It's like, oh, there's a fudge ribbon swirl, awesome, vanilla ice cream, great, peanut butter cups, great, nuts, awesome, cookie dough, barf.
It must be popular though, because they put it in everything.
So here's the other thing, folks.
Let us know what your favorite chocolate chip cookie is.
I said Mrs. Fields, Conrad's and Uncle Mike's.
Amanda Nimmer.
Part of our civic media family says the cookie crate hands down.
Have you heard of that?
No, I haven't but I'd like to try that sounds amazing
Amanda likes it.
She's got pretty good taste Paul Vandenplatz from wonderfully, Wisconsin give him a follow great great follow He says the best I've had so far are from Carmel Crisp Cafe in Oshkosh.
Well, he would know yes, he
was
guy travels the state
looking for good eats, and he finds a lot of them.
So if he says Carmel Crisp Cafe in Oshkosh, it's probably worth a check out.
He says their cookies are so good, you'll dream about them.
Now that's weird.
Honorable mention is Blue Mike's Gas Station in Rosendale.
They have a bakery inside, and the cookies are made fresh and quite outstanding.
Paul, that is good to know.
Yeah.
It's nice too, because it's in Rosendale, so you can get a ticket.
Pull over.
I was about to say something.
Pull over.
Watch your speed.
Have a cookie.
and just kind of chill out before you count to 10 and get back on the road.
All right, coming up next, Alan Kepischke is here, folks.
He is an actor and one of the producers of the Dora Kinetic Arts Festival, and that is right around the corner.
He'll be in studio.
That's coming up next after the news.
It's Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
I left my heart in San Francisco.
That's what I'm talking about.
Some Tony
Bennett.
It's his
birthday today.
Or is it the anniversary of his death?
I can't remember why.
I can't remember why he had you pull that song.
It's just a celebration.
Yeah, it's a great tune.
All right, so our question of the day, folks, it's National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookie?
I say Mrs. Fields.
She is no longer, at least not in malls anymore, but I think you can still buy the cookie dough, maybe mail order or something.
I don't know if that's the best way to buy cookie dough.
And Conrad says, Uncle Mike's.
So we'll read some of your texts in a little bit, but send those my way and we'll read them on the radio.
And if you're watching the radio on the stream,
Got a couple of comments there.
You can comment there as well.
Just be part of the show.
It's always more fun when you guys are part of the show.
Coming up in the second hour, Kailin Bavank, the owner of the bookstore in Appleton will be here at 735.
We're gonna talk about her really cool bookstore, which I'm told is a destination bookstore.
And I just think it's cool that there's a destination bookstore, because I didn't think people even read anymore.
So this is exciting to talk books in hour two as well.
But right now,
I'm excited to welcome my next guest.
He's joining me here in the studio, and he is a well-known actor, and he is the producer of the Door Kinetics, Door Kinetic Arts Festival.
He joins us here in the studio, Alan Kopischke.
Hey, Alan, how are ya?
Doing great, how
about you?
Am I saying
your last name right?
Kopischke.
Kopischke,
I
thought so.
You put it very phonetically perfectly in the email, but I always tend to, and my last name is Schwab, and everybody tortures it, so.
I thought if I do massacre your name, I'll just say it happens all the time to me.
But Kapiski, that's a good actor name.
Ellen Kapiski, right?
You think so?
Sure, yeah.
Okay.
Well, welcome to Nightlight.
It's good to meet you.
And like I was saying during the break, I feel like at some point in our adult lives, our paths have crossed.
I can't place it.
I
feel that too.
But it's good to have you here.
And now we're friends either way.
And you told me you live in Fish Creek.
Right.
How do you get to be, there's some people in life, Alan, that just win the lottery.
They get to do what they love and live in a picturesque town that is the subject of many beautiful paintings.
How did you swing that?
I don't know.
I must have done something right in a previous lifetime.
I don't know.
Tell us, all right, before we get into the Door Kinetic Arts Festival, which sounds really cool, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Oh, sure.
Well, as you mentioned, I'm an actor.
I've been doing theater since I was eight years old.
I love it.
And like you say, I get to do what I love.
Now, it's meant sometimes breaks from doing that.
But it is my life's passion.
I have a great family.
My wife is a costume designer and a professor at Lawrence.
She's terrific.
And we're going on our 40th anniversary trip, leaving Wednesday.
You said that in the email, and now you're sitting here.
You don't seem, did you, I'm not trying to just blow smoke because you drove all the way
here.
Oh, she totally robbed the cradle.
Yeah.
So all right, well, that's great.
So you live in Fish Creek and she commutes to Appleton?
She does, yeah.
She'll usually stay two or three nights a week depending on the schedule.
Do you find that,
There are other actors that live in Door County, or I know there are artists there, but do you have a little community there?
You know, what's interesting is when we moved up there in 2007, I don't think there was anybody else who was like a working actor up there.
Now there are probably 10 of us, I think.
No kidding.
Who are semi-retired or based there and working elsewhere a lot.
So there are a bunch of us up there now.
That's pretty cool.
It's nice because where I live, hanging around comedians my whole adult life are comedy writers.
When I moved to Marinette several years ago, there's no comedy writers there.
There's no comedians.
There's very nice people and I have good friends, but I do miss that, you know, to be able to connect and
just talk.
Yeah,
and
just not having to start anywhere.
You're just there already, you know, when you talk and that kind of thing.
So I want to talk about the festival, but I'm also...
We talked a little bit before I introduced you about being at Peninsula Players.
And I told you my connection to Peninsula Players when I was in high school.
And I took my daughter there to see a show a couple of years ago.
We saw a Sherlock Holmes show and we saw Dames at Sea.
And it's changed a lot in the last 35 years.
Are you still involved with Peninsula
Players?
I am somewhat.
My wife still designs there quite a bit.
I acted there for...
I can't remember, maybe about six to eight seasons in the 80s and 90s.
And then they hired me in 2007.
That's how we were able to move up to Door County.
They hired me to be their development director, finish off a capital campaign and to start developing some off-season programming.
So we did a community read in collaboration with the library and we started doing play readings.
That's so cool.
It's a great, it's an institution.
And I know there's another theater there.
I don't know as much about, but I've heard good things about that as well.
There's
so much.
There are four professional theater companies.
Really?
In Dark County, there's Northern Sky Theater.
Yeah.
There's Third Avenue Playworks, and there's Dorsey Shakespeare.
Good Lord.
Yeah.
That's a lot.
And they're all seasonal, right?
I mean, they're... Well, Third Avenue Playworks works most of the year, the other three are seasonal.
That's pretty cool.
All right, so let's get into, I've got a lot of stuff to ask you, but let's start with the Door Kinetic Arts Festival.
That was the main reason I reached out to you.
Tell us all about it.
Sure.
So we're in our ninth year.
Eric Simonson is a multi-talented director, writer for theater opera film, television.
He's got an Oscar for
Short documentary that he did a number of years ago He's he's written on a number of major television shows as well as writing and directing on Broadway So he's got tons of connections and he's got a ton of energy and what he wanted to do was bring together artists from different disciplines to Bjorkland in which is in Bailey's Harbor and it is an extension of Appleton
of sorry Lawrence University in Appleton.
And it's this gorgeous setting where they bring faculty and students all the time for retreats.
And Eric wanted to bring artists from all over the country and from the local area together for a week.
People who have new projects that they want to work on.
And so here we all are surrounded by other artists, other disciplines inspiring each other.
working together and then presenting that work in progress for audiences and chat with the audiences afterwards to get a little peek inside the process.
Like some
feedback too, is it that kind of thing where the audiences can like share their two cents about what they saw?
Because
since you said it's in progress.
Yeah, and so then that's part of what the artists are looking for is feedback.
from the audience, not only during the presentation of the work, the natural feedback that people are gonna give, but then afterwards to say, hey, you know, what stood out to you?
What worked for you?
What were you confused about?
That's
interesting.
So is
it all acting?
Is
it all, okay.
So the reason it's the Kinetic Arts Festival is because we talked about the kinetic arts.
And this would include dance and film and theater.
brought kinetic sculpture and music and circus and magic, all sorts of different things.
And so all these different kinds of artists bouncing off of each other is really exciting.
What about juggling?
I didn't hear juggling.
Well, circus.
Yeah, we did have jugglers.
Yeah, make it a joke and you actually
have it.
And the year before.
So it really is an arts festival.
That's the one thing I was eager to ask you about.
What is Bjorkland and is that a venue?
I was looking at that.
Yeah, so it's okay.
This beautiful space.
Boy, I don't even know how many acres it is right on the lake.
And there's there's an old, old tiny chapel there and a lodge that it's it's retreat space.
So Lawrence will bring students in over the weekend for intensive sessions.
And this might be the volleyball team or it might be
band or a whole bunch of engineers, whatever it might be, and they can come and do intensive sessions with not only the professors, but other people they might bring in for weekend intensive sessions.
And I say intensive, it's also relaxation and inspiration because you can walk along the lake, there are beautiful wooded trails.
It's an incredible place.
And then in the summer, they'll bring in people for a full week.
to do seminars with very often Lawrence alumni or Lawrence professors, but occasionally something a little outside of that as well.
And they're extremely well attended.
A lot of the people can stay there because there's lodging there, the same lodging the students use.
And so it's this incredible kind of intellectual artistic retreat space.
And so we're able to get our week in there and get all of these artists in and just kind of make sparks fly.
That is the voice of Alan Kopischke.
He is an actor and one of the producers of the Door Kinetic Arts Festival, which takes place in September.
So is that hard to program because, you know, like with a film festival, it's like, well, here's the film, you like it or you don't, but you've got.
people in different stages of something they've created, you know, I would imagine you have to go, well, this isn't far enough along or this is too finished.
It's not really workshoppy.
Like what do you look for?
Yeah.
So, and that's Eric's responsibility.
He's the artistic director and the founder creator of this whole thing.
But yeah, he's got a balance.
We want some things that are closer to done so that we have some things to maybe show off earlier in the week.
And then, you know, we want a range of
middle of the process, towards the end of the process, towards the beginning of the process, so that there's that dynamic playing as well.
Do you
do film?
Or is it all live?
Yeah, so we have a short film festival.
I know Green Bay's got a great film festival.
There's a Door County film festival that's like a full weekend, including feature length and shorter films.
Ours is just a selection of short films, no longer than 40 minutes.
And some of them will put up the first couple nights, and then maybe we'll sprinkle a few out that really relate to one of the sessions that we're developing during the
week.
Right.
That's cool.
Do you have people, I would imagine, everybody, I have a script I'm trying to stage a reading for.
My son wrote something like, you're always trying to find people.
to perform stuff so you can see what it looks like or listen to it.
Do you have people that are kind of more established in the business that would love to come up here to beautiful Fish Creek and do something like that or show their film or write songs and
perform them?
I mean... Sure, we've had some pretty high profile people come.
Now, you're not gonna recognize all the names, but a lot of people recognize Rainn Wilson, who was Dwight on The Office.
Oh, he's great.
He had a screenplay.
that he was working on, actually working on with Eric and brought that up and we worked on it.
We've had other folks, I don't know if you're going to recognize their names, but we have Tony winners, Emmy winners.
So one of our projects this year is a collaboration with Deaf West Theater, which has won a couple of Tony awards for their work.
And a play written by Rick Cleveland, who's won an Emmy
for his writing, he's both a playwright and writes in Hollywood, but he wrote on the West Wing and Six Feet Under and half a dozen other shows you would probably recognize.
He's got an Emmy for one of those, I forget which one.
And so he's coming in and we may have some relatively high-profile actors in that that's not settled yet.
And I'm not, I'm not saying that like, oh, to let it, to get you to name drop or anything, but to let listeners know that if they go there and check this out, they're probably seeing some pretty good stuff.
So check it out.
You know, um, we, uh, my guest is Alan Karpiski.
He's an actor and the producer, one of the producers of the Dora Kinetic Arts Festival, which sounds more and more cool.
The more I talk to Alan about it.
So we'll have more about that after this very short break.
And we'll talk to him, uh, about some of the cool stuff he's done in his career as well.
This is Pete Schwab and night like.
great to have you with me folks on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome
back.
Great to have you with me on this Monday edition.
It is finally Monday, folks.
We get to talk about all the things we love.
at the beginning of a week that it looks like it's going to be beautiful here in Wisconsin.
So settle in, gather the family around the radio, and let's have some fun.
My guest at the moment is Alan Kopischke.
He is an actor, and he is one of the producers and creators of the Door Kinetic Arts Festival, which goes from September 21st through the 27th in Bailey's Harbor.
It's the ninth annual
Dora Kinetic Arts Festival.
You're rocking the t-shirt there Alan too.
I like that if you're watching in the stream you can see Alan's t-shirt with I like that So who whose concept was this like it I love that it's not so specialized But it also seems like it would be harder to Like you sent me all this information.
I'm like well, what do they do?
They do some theaters like it's kind of hard to explain a little bit It's not in a box so to speak so whose brainchild was this and when did you guys think hey?
We got something cool here
Yeah, so this is Eric Simonson, who I mentioned before.
And he's had success in a number of different areas.
He's done theater, he's done opera, he's done film, he's done television.
I hate
guys
like that.
He started out studying scenic design, and then he became an actor, and then he became a director, and then he became a writer.
really multi-talented and I think he loves things coming from all different directions
and
the kind of sparks that can fly when you bring together dancers and clowns and theater makers and poets and all these creative people who are all bursting with this thing they're working on, bring them all together,
let
them work on their stuff and share a bit with each other.
every meal together and you hear them talking about their work together and they create these beautiful new things out of the different perspectives they bring and the energy that's flying around there.
And I have to tell you, I can't count how many different collaborations we have nurtured up there by people who say, oh, you know what?
We need a choreographer for this.
Could you come in and
work with us?
Hey, we loved your work in this.
Could you do this other thing with us?
There are tons of people who've worked together at DCAF on different projects who then went on to work on something different later.
And that's such a great thing.
When you have a community like that and you draw inspiration from other artists, people leave probably feeling great.
You know what I mean?
Like being around in that community.
Well, do most of the people that attend the festival, are they from Door County?
Do they travel there?
I'd say most of them are from Door County, but there are a lot more and more folks traveling in.
You know, as you said, it's kind of a hard thing for us to define in short little sound bites.
And so I think we have struggled a little bit with marketing.
Also, I haven't had much of a marketing budget, but I think...
the more people get to know what this is, the more they say, oh my God, we got to get there for this.
That's so great.
All right, so this is your ninth annual.
Is it growing?
Like, are you seeing people more and more every year?
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
I would say we are probably more than double the attendance we had.
You know, we ramped up and then COVID hit and we also changed the dates, we skipped a year.
And so we had to kind of start back up, but we're probably double the attendance of when we first came back from COVID.
All right, so if people want to check it, it's not till September, you got, well, about six weeks actually, we're getting close, but can people buy passes or tickets right now or where can they find out more information?
Yeah, those
passes are available online on our website, doorkinetic.com, D-O-O-R-K-I-N-E-T-I-C.com.
Okay.
And what's a pass gonna run me?
So
week long passes,
so
access to everything is $75.
Oh, that's pretty good.
And then if you wanna do basically one day, it's $25.
So
the pass is the way to go.
What about food?
I noticed you guys, you said you have a cocktail, a daily cocktail or something.
Can people eat and drink there and all that kind of fun stuff?
We
don't sell anything to eat, but we give away a cocktail.
each night.
And Robert Simonson, who is a James Beard nominated cocktails and spirits expert.
He's written several books on cocktails.
He wrote for the New York Times for many years.
He's Eric's brother who comes in and creates cocktails and talks about them and we'll have a special session with him.
one afternoon as well.
Do you have parties afterwards?
Like, are there, you know, like, after Q&As, that kind of stuff?
We
do the Q&As after, and on our Wednesday night, we have what we call the Coffee House, which is a little bit of a speak easy, have some fun,
get up and dance,
more of a party atmosphere on the Wednesday night.
Okay.
All right, well, that's great.
This sounds like so much fun, folks.
Check it out, the Door Kinetic Arts Festival.
Google it, go to the website, look at the passes.
It sounds like just, there's something for everybody, it sounds like.
Yeah, absolutely.
You used to, or you still do teach at UWGB as well.
I do, yeah.
That kind of works out well.
So you're in this area quite a bit, I would imagine.
We talked a little bit about the program.
They don't have a musical theater program, but it might be coming back or it's on hold.
Well, the
theater program was suspended.
We still have a minor.
We're still producing plays.
And we are working on a revised major to bring back.
I think we've got some pretty cool ideas
about it.
We need a little more time to develop it before we present it officially to administration.
But I think
that's UWGB is like maybe the fastest growing of all the UW colleges, right?
It might be.
I can't.
speak authoritatively
about that, but
yeah, we're doing pretty well.
It was weird because when I saw the cut that I told you my daughter was interested in that program, all of a sudden it's gone.
Like, wait, there's, and I don't ever want culture to go away from Northeast Wisconsin.
Like if you can never have too much of it, in my opinion.
So I love that you're doing this.
Can you stick around a little bit through the news?
Sure.
Talk some acting and all that kind of fun stuff.
I'll probably ask, I want to ask you about being an intimacy coordinator too.
Sure.
Because Conrad wants some tips before the night's over.
Conrad just laughs, he's used to me.
All right, we're coming right back, folks.
Alan Kopiski is here.
He is one of the producers of the Dora Kinetic Arts Festival and an accomplished actor.
We'll talk to him about acting and his job as an intimacy coordinator.
Kind of a new thing in show business.
It is, yeah.
So we'll get into that.
And we got Milwaukee Reps, all kinds of fun stuff coming up next, folks.
We're coming right back on Nightlight with Peach
Waba.
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a guy who considers a silver medal, a participation award, Pete Schwabba.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
to act two of this Monday edition of Nightlight.
Good to have you with me.
We are... I feel like we're starting slow, Conrad.
Do you feel like this is not a regular show?
Do you feel like we're moving in slow motion?
I feel like everyone knows that you hate cookie dough now.
Well, I do hate cookie dough.
It's just gotten out of hand.
It's in everything.
Get rid of the cookie dough.
Cookies are fine, but not the dough.
It's one ice cream, but now it's in there's mint chocolate chip cookie dough, and it's in everything.
It's in the Stephen Colbert ice cream It's found its way into everything.
So thank you for You know what kind of I thank you for putting me in an even crappier mood than I am on this Monday.
Sorry for bringing
up
But speaking of cookies that is our question of the night is national chocolate chip cookie day.
So let us know what your favorite chocolate chip cookie is
And we will get to your texts shortly.
They're building up, but we'll get to them, folks.
We always do.
Coming up at 7.35, Kailin Bavink will be here.
She owns the bookstore in Appleton, and we're going to talk about a promotion they're doing, and it's a destination bookstore.
Do you know what that means, Conrad?
You have to go there.
Well, that's the very rudimentary.
It means people from all over.
Yeah.
Where are you from?
Seattle, Washington.
We had to come to this bookstore.
We've heard so much about it.
It sounds like a really cool place.
They have a huge selection of used books.
So for those of you that still read, we'll have a discussion with Kaelin at 735 and I'm hoping for some motivation.
I need to start reading again.
I was an English major for God's sakes and I don't really read that much unless it's on my phone and I'm ashamed of myself.
What else do we talk about in the first hour?
Conrad was a reluctant drag racer and I don't mean he dressed up for a drag show and raced.
I mean, you were in a drag race.
I was in the middle of one.
Middle of one.
You were in the way.
Yeah,
I was.
Yes.
They let me know.
All right.
They let you know, right.
And then, so let us know, folks, what is your favorite chocolate chip cookie?
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookie?
And we are going to jump back in.
We've got a few more minutes with our first guest of the night.
He drove here all the way from the suburbs of Green Bay, what I like to call Fish Creek, Wisconsin, up there in Door County.
Alan Kapiszki is with me here in the studio.
We just talked about the Door County.
the Door Kinetic Arts Festival, which takes place September 21st through the 27th.
It sounds like a really cool festival, Alan.
Is all the programming done?
Are you guys just sitting back now?
The
programming is done, but the exact times of each event are not quite complete.
That'll be coming up pretty soon.
Is this stuff like where you go all day, like it starts at 9 a.m.
and there's a theater workshop or somebody's putting up a play or something like
that?
We're all working.
But we're only sharing with the public two or three times a day, usually.
Although sometimes we're also running people out.
They're gonna be at a high school or at some other location.
So I guess there might be three or four things going
on.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Okay, so check out the Door Kinetic Arts Festival.
One more time, give us the website or where people can find more information.
It's doorkinetic.com, D-O-O-R-K-I-N-E-T-I-C dot com.
Love it.
All right.
That's one, I go to Dora County a lot, but I've never, I mean, that's like the perfect time to go to Dora County too, like in September.
Colors are starting to change,
beautiful.
So as I was asking you about right before we went to the break in the news, Alan, you teach at UWGB and you teach acting.
How, you know, obviously having done what you do, been a working actor helps you teach.
But does teaching acting help you in any way be a better actor?
Like, do you take something out of class or maybe something one of your students does where you go, oh my God, that's a great interpretation or something?
Oh,
absolutely.
Really?
I
mean, I think teachers all the time say they learn from their students.
But it's absolutely true.
At least it's true for me.
I see the way students approach things.
And that might spark something for me.
Sometimes it's a positive.
Spark that's like oh wow, that's a really interesting approach.
I never thought of sometimes it's like No, we can't do it that way and now I see even more clearly why oh
But you ever have a kid that's so bad you try to get him to go to welding school or something like that does that ever know?
Because
if they are passionate about studying this I know that there's something there that's going to benefit them And and in fact I think
Anybody going into any profession can learn from the study of theater, especially to me in acting class, which is the study of human behavior and why do people do things?
I think that can help us in all of our human relations throughout our
lifetime.
Do you ever go into, I've never seen the spaces, the theater spaces, like at UWGB, but do you ever go into a theater?
What, maybe it was in Chicago when you were at Steppenwall for one of these places.
and just sit there and absorb a theater with nobody in it.
It's almost like a spiritual, it's so, I don't know if it's cathartic or what it is, but it's just a beautiful thing to do.
Yeah, you know, sometimes I walk into a theater and I recognize the smell.
Oh, yep.
And then all the memories start flooding back and sometimes I'll want to just sort of sit and bask in that.
That's so great.
So all right you all right, so you teach theater you're also an intimacy coordinator and I think this is such a great thing they have as someone who has done an intimate scene and didn't have a coordinator there luckily I had a veteran actress that had done it before and Helped me through it.
It's a weird thing because you've got people you've got crew standing five feet away while you're trying to be intimate and make it seem real But I think
Recently, Gwyneth Paltrow came out and said, we don't need this.
When I was younger, we didn't.
And I'm like, you saying that, first of all, for women, I think, that are younger, it's a terrible thing not to have.
And for her to say that, I just thought that was misplaced.
What have you noticed in terms of intimacy coordinating?
Is that something you had to study?
And how do you think it really helps people in an intimate scene like that?
Sure.
So this is something
that...
people really only started talking about about 10 years ago.
And it has been just rapidly and wholeheartedly embraced by much of the both on camera and on stage industry because it is crazy that we were putting people together who may have just met that day and said, okay, we're gonna do a scene where you're making out or we're gonna do a scene where you've just completed a sexual act or
or whatever it is.
And then she said, okay, go.
And so the idea of actually being thoughtful and sensitive about it was revolutionary to
everybody wins.
Now, yeah, I've been in a lot of intimate scenes that, you know, worked out fine, but it would have been so much better to have had somebody there.
It was just kind of the person to say, okay, we're entering.
into something pretty intimate between two people who don't know each other.
Let's establish some boundaries.
Let's talk about what's going to work for us.
And I think we think about women being more uncomfortable with this.
And I think that's largely true.
But there are also obstacles.
Let's say the male is the aggressor.
in the scene in some way.
Are
you
getting a bad vibe from them somehow?
And like you don't know, where can I put my hand?
That's gonna be okay.
What kind of kiss should this be?
Everybody involved, even if you're comfortable with them being intimate with you, you don't know how comfortable they are with you being intimate with them.
So you're both starting from this weird uncomfortable place.
And yet you're supposed to make this look like, I don't know, you've been married 25 years or you've become passionately interested in each other over the last hour and a half.
But we're
doing it
from this artificial place and without that exchange of, okay, where's okay to touch?
And instead of approaching the choreography of it in sexual terms to say, I'm gonna put my hand here and then I'm gonna move it in this way.
we're gonna bring our lips together and hold them together for a four count.
You know, that's, it's a much more sensitive way.
If the actors then want to use whatever their practice is and turning that into something romantic, sexual, whatever, that is their responsibility.
But for a director or the intimacy choreographer to start putting,
Value-based sexual connotations in what the choreography is can make people really uncomfortable
Yeah, wow, that's a great answer.
I and I it makes you kind of wonder like why didn't they have I mean Hollywood's been around for Hundred years, you know, it's been around for thousands of thousands of years Why didn't they have this rather than just relying on two people who might be talented at acting?
That's a whole different ballgame when you're touching other people and intimate places and kind of stuff like that so
I just feel like it surprised me that it's only been around.
It's one of those things where you hear about it and you're like, yes, of course we should have that.
Why haven't we?
You know, it's like
just-
And there
are people who say, oh my God, why do we need this?
It's just
a
simple kiss, big deal.
Well, you don't know what everybody's experience is.
Sometimes you come in as an intimacy choreographer and you have a talk with the people involved and you go,
you don't
need me, you're fine.
Right.
Oh, it's interesting.
That's great stuff.
My guess is Alan Kopitsky.
He's an actor and he is one of the producers of the Door Kinetic Arts Festival.
He is also an intimacy coordinator and a theater actor.
He's also worked in TV.
You did an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger.
What was that like?
Oh, that was fun.
Was it?
It was a
blast.
So I played a character who was kind of like Bill Gates.
Okay.
Having an anniversary party at a fancy hotel with a golf course and then Mitch Palleggi.
If you remember
this guy, he was,
yeah.
So he was Mulder and Scully's
boss.
He's like kind of a alpha dude kind of actor, right?
So he was the bad guy.
He was leading a team of people coming in and getting money from us.
And it was a lot of fun.
I got to drive a golf cart into a pond with Clarence Gilliard, or actually I think he was driving.
And then get punched by one of the stuntmen.
Oh, nice.
And it was a really fun episode.
And I want on my gravestone that Chuck Norris said to me, you take a punch really well.
Oh, nice.
What better guy to have?
A guy who's dished out a few punches.
So your theater background, I'm always amazed at this.
I didn't do a whole lot of theater.
I did some, but it was when I was very young.
The best actors on camera typically have a theater background, yet theater and film are very different in many ways.
Why is that?
Well, I think
they share a lot of skills.
It's opening yourself up, being vulnerable.
It's just being able to adjust the scale and what works in those different environments.
So there are a lot of technical skills, I think, that are different.
But if you can learn them,
then if you've got the theater training, then you're all ready to kind of unleash that if
you've got
the technical skills.
Now, there are other folks who go straight into on-camera work and
are
great because they've got the instincts to do that.
But that's interesting.
That's really what it comes down to for both, right?
Our instincts.
And you have them, whether you do theater or film, if you're good at either one of them, you probably have them in both, right?
You have some of them, I think.
Some of them you have to develop.
Okay.
Yeah.
I ask everybody almost that comes on the show what they're binge-watching.
We have about 30 seconds left.
Anything you could recommend?
Well, my wife and I just
finished Billy Joel documentary.
Oh, my wife
watched that.
She said it was great.
Yeah, it's on HBO, HBO Max, whatever they want us to call it now.
It's just HBO again now.
They couldn't make up their mind.
Alan, this was fun.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks for making the drive in from the Burbs, from beautiful Dark County.
And let's do this again as your festival gets closer.
All right, all right.
Alan Kupisky, ladies and gentlemen, we're coming back to read your texts and make you part of the show.
The phone lines are open, folks.
Let us know.
It's Peach Waba in Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
We are jamming through a Monday night here at Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.
I am Pete Schwabba, Conrad Krieger working the board.
Our question of the night, it is National Cookie Day, folks.
Who makes the best, no, it's, I'm sorry, it's National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.
Who makes the best chocolate chip cookie?
I say Mrs. Fields, Conrad says Uncle Mike's Bakery in Swamiko.
And everywhere.
Have you noticed that like, Swamiko, everybody I've ever met all of a sudden lives in Swamiko?
I don't know anyone that lives in Swamiko.
It's the center of the universe right now.
Everybody lives in Swamco.
I'm exaggerating for effect.
Paula Krieger on the stream, she's watching, she says, any cookies I don't have to make, I do like fresh, warm cookies from a bakery.
Uncle Mike surprises me.
I thought your mom would be more of a baker.
The way you've described her, you know.
She makes cookies, but I don't think she likes to do it.
Breaking Bakes?
You know, they're they're nice little chocolate chips
that I'm
breaking bakes
Peter on the stream says there is a mrs. Fields in Bay Park Square in Green Bay Oh, really Conrad we are going your road tripping and then we're gonna go see the next naked gun when it comes out Let us know who makes the best chocolate chip cookies.
We'll get your text in just a little bit right now It is my pleasure to welcome to the show for the first time This is exciting folks.
I
I was an English major.
I used to be a huge reader, and I am no longer a huge reader anymore.
I do read periodically, but I'm very excited to welcome my next guest.
Kaelin Bavink owns the bookstore in Appleton, and it is a destination bookstore.
We'll talk about that too with a huge array of used books, and she joins us now over the stream here at Nightlight.
Kaelin Bavink, hi Kaelin.
Hello.
How are you?
I'm doing alright.
How are you?
I'm doing very well.
I know that this was a bit of a concern for you You you wanted to do the stream so you could be in your jammies Although it still looks like you're dressed for success for the day You don't look like you're in your jammies unless you have very distinguished
jammies I mean jammies are anything that's soft and you know once you get in the house
certain articles come off.
Listen, I sleep in a turtleneck every night.
So I don't know what I'm talking about.
So either way, regardless of your attire, it's great to have you here.
And it's really nice to meet you.
Um, this was interesting, a destination bookstore.
That's how your place was described.
I don't know if it was described to me that way in your bio or if Eliza, if that's how she presented you, but tell us what that means and tell us about your bookstore, which is called the bookstore.
Yeah.
So I would say so in a way, yes, we are a destination bookstore.
We have tons and tons of regulars in the area, but we also have regulars from across the state and across the world.
We've got a gal that lives in Saudi Arabia that every time she's in the area, she stops by.
So we see her like twice a year.
You know, we've got some regulars that used to live in the area, but every time they're back visiting, they come back and visit the store.
We get people.
I mean, we get new people in every day.
We get people that do, like, they're on little bookstore road trips, and they'll kind of hit us up in a couple other bookstores in the area.
So, yeah, people like us or something.
Does it make you a little bit sad?
Like, it's kind of what you, it's kind of cool what you just said.
They take little tours of bookstores.
I mean, when I was a kid, bookstores were everywhere.
people read.
And now, like, they're almost a novelty in some ways.
And people do seek out, like, whenever I'm in Madison, there's a couple of used bookstores I wander into just because I like the aesthetics, you know what I mean?
And they're just great, soothing, calm places.
Has that helped you?
I mean, you must have, tell us a little bit about the space you have.
So we moved about three years ago.
doubled and not quite but pretty close to doubled in size because we just ran out of room in our old spot but it's 4,800 square feet and it's just chock full of books we have
I think last when I did the numbers, we have close to 94,000 books in the building.
So if you can't find something, you might want to open your eyes because there will be something there you want.
Do you get sarcastic like that with the customers?
Like, really?
You can't find anything?
No, not quite that bad.
Yes, there is a huge degree of sarcasm that happens in the store.
Absolutely.
But we're always friendly about it.
That's the key.
All
right, that's good.
Well, that's pretty cool.
Okay, so are there places to sit?
Can people curl up with a book at your store?
Do you encourage
that kind of
thing?
Is it a community?
Absolutely, absolutely.
I mean, a lot of people describe it as a maze.
It's not really a maze, but if they want to feel like it's a maze, that's okay by me.
Within each section we'll have multiple chairs or stools around because A, we have a lot of elderly customers and it's sometimes you just have to sit.
Um, and you know, take the time to look through the book to be like, Hey, is this what I really want?
You know, so we have baskets and, and chairs all over the place so you can plop down wherever you want.
Um, if you want to plop down the floor, that's cool too.
Um, but some of us need a little help getting off the ground.
So we have chairs for those people as well.
Um, so yeah, we've get people sometimes will, you know, they'll come out of the stacks a couple hours later and you're like, I didn't realize they were still
here.
How did you end up in this racket?
Like, did you have a book background?
Were you a publisher or what did you do that got
here?
So how I ended up in this is for many years I was a certified veterinary technician and that is not a job for older people.
It's very hard on the body.
I got ill and was never able to go back to that.
full time so I thought okay what can I do that won't drive me crazy and so when I was in high school my very first job was at a used bookstore and I was like you know what maybe I should go back to that.
And then I talked to the former owner, Laura, who used to own the bookstore.
And I was like, hey, would you ever consider selling your store?
And she was like, yes, because someday I want to retire.
So that they kind of just all fell into place.
And here we are eight years later, we're still
still doing it.
The store's been around since 1977, and so we must be doing something right.
That is spectacular.
All right, we're going to learn more about the bookstore in Appleton from owner Kaelin Bavink.
We're coming right back after the news.
We'll have a few more minutes with Kaelin.
It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome
back.
Tomorrow night on the show, ladies and gentlemen, photographer and musician Chris Rogowski will be here.
Is Chris coming in?
I can't remember.
Yeah, yeah.
That's
great.
He'll be here in studio and then also one of our Nightlight Besties film critic, Madison film critic Rob Thomas will be here as well.
That's tomorrow night on Nightlight.
Right now, we have a few more minutes with our current guest, Kaylin Baving.
She is the owner of the bookstore in Appleton, a destination bookstore, ladies and gentlemen.
If you haven't been there, you've got to check it out.
Is it weird, Kaylin, that I love bookstores but I don't read nearly as much as I used to or as much as I should?
No.
We like to say buying books and reading books are two very different hobbies.
Interesting.
the thrill of the hunt to find like that missing title that you haven't had is, there's a big draw for that.
I mean, it's okay if you buy books and don't read them.
It's also, as long as they're for me now.
They look good on the shelf too.
Right, right.
What is your favorite book?
Do you have one?
That is, that is a hard question because it depends on the mood I'm in and the type, you know, like I have favorite historical fiction.
I have a favorite mystery.
What's your favorite historical fiction?
Favorite historical fiction.
Probably I would put The Four Winds by Kristen Hannah.
Okay.
That one would definitely be up there in the top for favorites for historical fiction.
Nice.
That one's about the Great Depression.
So, you know, really uplifting book.
I think my all-time favorite book is On the Road.
Are you a fan?
I know some people who are true literary insiders sometimes give it a bad rap, but I love that
book.
I am not a huge fan of poetry or poetry-like things.
Because are you talking about Jack Kerouac?
Yeah, the Kerouac.
Just him traveling the country, you know, after the war.
Yeah.
I mean, I just finished Travels with Charlie by Steinbeck.
Oh, nice.
But once they get a little, I don't know, I haven't dived into Kerouac because it seems like...
I would not qualify myself as a book snob.
That seems a little too high-brow for me.
Oh, man, believe me.
If I can read it three times, it's not high-brow.
All right.
Where do you get all these books?
You said you have over 9,000 books.
Do you go to publishers?
Is there a market or brokers?
Or 90,000.
Or 90,000.
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah.
How do you obtain them?
OK, so we do have a selection of, I would say, 1% to 2% of our stock is new books that we order from the same distributor every bookstore can order from at this point.
And the rest are books that people trade in and we give them trade credit for it.
And the trade credit we give them is basically a half off coupon on all of the used books in the store.
So our used books are approximately half price to be in with.
If you have trade credit, you then get it for half the price.
And half comes off your trade credit.
So they're from the community.
you know, we could, you know, occasionally I'll go to library sales and pick some extra stuff up.
But I mean, I have, I have 90,000 plus books in the store.
I
don't
really necessarily have to run to those things.
But I go to some of those as well, too, to kind of fill in some of the gaps on things like, like, we like to stereotypically say that, like, we never get a good cache of sci-fi books come in unless somebody's a weird relative died.
Um, we always call them the weird uncle books,
um, which, you know,
half the time, half the time me and the staff are like, Oh wait, we got first dibs.
This is a good one.
Um, so yeah, they're, they're the majority is from just within the community.
Got 90,000 books.
I think if I worked for you, if I was like working behind the counter and somebody came in and just said, do you have such and such, I'd just go probably.
help yourself.
Well, luckily, we have everything inventoried in the computer system that we have.
So we can look to see if we have it and where we have
it.
The bookstore I worked at in high school was smaller than this, but it was filled to the gills, like stacks in front of stacks, in front of stacks.
And we have to be like, well, if we did, it's probably over here and start digging.
There's no stacks in front of stacks in front of the bookcases here.
We make sure everything's neat, trip-free zone.
We don't need our awesome elderlies taking a digger
on us.
Oh yeah, probably best for everyone.
Before we let you go, I know when Eliza introduced us, she talked about a beach reads promotion.
And what is that?
And has it passed or are you still getting the word out?
Um, so we don't we don't specifically have a beetreads promotion.
Um, you know, we have a, um, because a beetread is different for every person.
So a beetread for me won't be the same beetread for, you know, somebody's grandma or somebody that's, you know, 20, 30 years younger than me, because everybody has different tastes.
Yeah.
Um, but luckily our books are so cheap, you don't.
need to have a promotion, um, in order to, you know, get good savings.
Okay.
Is this just something people read on the beach?
Is that, is that, is that what it means?
Yeah.
So,
so
depending on, some people's call a beach read a fluffy book.
Some people would call it a book you read while you're on the beach.
Sure.
So I, you know, I don't think there's a solid definition of what's a beach read and what's not.
To me, to be a beach read is something you read while you're sitting on the beach.
And
what I read when somebody's sitting on the edge and somebody else, you know, it's probably gonna be different.
Yeah, one guy's reading Jaws, the other person's reading Little Women or something, so it works out.
Exactly,
exactly.
You're still
Beatrice.
Katelyn, thank you so much for your time, continued success, and I cannot wait to visit your store.
Yeah, stop on by.
We'll do.
We'll
open 10 to 7 during the week and 10 to 4 on Saturdays.
Outstanding.
Check out the bookstore in Appleton, folks.
And Katelyn, have a great night.
Thanks so much.
Yeah, you too.
All right.
Conrad, are you a reader?
Back in my day.
Back in your day.
When I had you for school.
Many moments
ago.
All right, so we're gonna read some texts and then I've got a clip Lonnie Anderson passed away I think yesterday or the day before she of course played Jennifer Marlowe on WKRP and Cincinnati great show and Back then she was kind of you know, there were blonde they used to call them blonde bombshells everywhere What I love about Lonnie Anderson's story is she had a pretty good resume.
She had done a lot of guest starring roles
And she went into audition for this, you know, part of this pretty secretary and she told them she didn't want to play the role so stereotypically.
And the producer said, well, what would you do?
And she said, I want to be the smartest person in the room and I don't want to get coffee and I don't want to take dictation.
So she kind of rewrote the character before she even had the role, did the audition, crushed it and she ended up playing Jennifer Marlowe.
She's a very funny part of the show.
She and Herb Tarlick were like my two favorite characters.
But she passed away at 79.
She had tons of other credits too.
She was married to Burt Reynolds for a while.
That didn't work out.
They had a pretty messy divorce probably because he's Burt Reynolds.
I don't want to put it all on Burt.
You know, the guy did Stroker Ace and Smokey and the Bandit.
He's got some great credits, but it did not end well.
But I put kind of two clips back to back here.
of Lonnie Anderson, and I think she's just great as Jennifer Marlowe.
Here she is interacting with the big guy, Art Carlson and Herb Tarlick.
Oh, that's fine.
That should do it.
Now that'll take care of it.
There's no need to bother Mr. Carlson with this.
He's a very busy man.
Thank you.
Oh, good morning, Mr. Carlson.
Morning, Jennifer.
Hey, what was that?
Nothing you need to know about.
Oh, good.
You like the way you
handle things.
Just all part of my job.
Well, nobody does it better.
How about the mail?
That's the important stuff.
This is yours.
Oh,
I'm sorry.
Morning, big guy.
Oh, hey, herb.
How's it going?
Terrific.
Excuse me.
Morning, gorgeous.
You got anything for me?
Only the male herb.
That's all I'll ever have for you.
You want me, Mr. Carlson?
Oh, yeah.
Come in, Jennifer.
Have a seat.
No, thank you.
All right.
This particular point in time, I would like to dictate a press release.
I don't take dictation.
What?
Oh, all right.
I guess I can do this thing myself.
It's probably going to be a long meeting, though, so why don't you get coffee for all the guys here?
I don't get coffee, Mr. Carlson.
We agree.
You have to draw the line
somewhere.
Will there be anything else I can do?
No, I got about this.
Thank you.
Oh, no.
Thank you.
Oh, no, thank you.
He was a funny character.
Mr. Carlson was the do-nothing.
I don't know if he inherited the radio station, but he was kind of bungling.
And then I think the actor's name was Frank Bonner, who played Herb Tarley, who was always hitting on Jennifer.
Just really funny stuff and she is one of the funnier characters in my opinion From any sitcom in like the 70s 80s or 90s very funny stuff Okay, so we've got some text we get a catch up in here con.
Have you noticed that?
Yeah, we're about to like crack the whip and say Yoshwaba What up?
I was about to pound the glass separating us
Monica from Mount Horrib, she's in the 608 says Bricks Cider in Mount Horrib makes a darn good chocolate chip cookie.
They also make an amazing molasses ginger cookie.
I'm sorry, Monica, but molasses ginger cookie is tomorrow night.
We're talking chocolate chip cookies tonight.
Please stick with the program.
I don't know.
Those sound dynamite.
That does.
I like a good molasses cookie.
Thank you, Monica.
Great stuff.
John Murray from Madison.
I believe he is in the Atwood neighborhood.
We've gotten to know John quite well here.
He and his old lady.
Is he so eloquently refers to his wife?
John says, her name is Mary Ellen Murray.
She leaves the walnuts out for her favorite grandson.
Is he referring to Mrs. Fields?
I'm not sure.
I don't either, but I think that's probably what he, let's see.
What time is that?
621, yes.
At 621, I was talking exactly about Mrs. Fields.
And your hate for Cojito.
Do you think
I have that?
Capability, I can just recall what minute.
I don't like cookie dough and ice cream enough.
Enough with cookie dough.
It's like the Brian Regan joke.
Like, I don't know who the cranberry sales guy is, but he's getting in all the other juices.
Like cranberries in every single juice.
That's how I feel about cookie dough in every ice cream.
It's an unsettling discovery when you're eating ice cream, in my opinion.
John says, what the hell is with the walnuts?
Are they a filler?
Are they a filler?
It's not 1933 anymore.
Let's lose the walnuts.
Who's with me?
I don't know.
Who's with John?
John's a pal from the 608.
I don't think I've ever had a walnut and a
cookie.
Really?
I
don't think I'd need one.
I just saw a guy walking by out here, the window without a shirt on, and someone should tell him not to do that.
It was
offensive.
Do you want me to run
out there quick?
That guy was the cookie dough in ice cream of shirtless sidewalk walkers.
That was horrible.
I thought I had white skin.
This dude, holy smokes.
I got off on a tangent there.
I don't know, John.
I don't mind walnuts with a chocolate chip.
I love an oatmeal chocolate chip walnut cookie.
Oatmeal cookies are fantastic.
But do you like them with chocolate chips?
Oh, no.
No?
Oh, sorry.
I thought you were saying walnuts.
No, I never tried it, but I did.
I like oatmeal raisin cookies, too.
I'm not gonna
lie.
Yeah, I can't do the raisins.
I can't do raisins by itself, but I can do it in the oatmeal
cookie.
Listen, I'd muscle them down.
If the oatmeal cookie surrounding the raisin was dynamite, I would do it.
Monica from Mount Horrible also says, sorry, I love cookie dough in my ice cream.
I will never grow up.
Please don't, Monica, and please never stop texting.
Jack from Miramax says, who makes the best chocolate chip cookies?
I make the best chocolate chip cookies.
He says modestly, parenthetically.
I got the recipe from my mom, added more vanilla, and tweaked the brown sugar to regular sugar ratio.
I think mom based it on the recipe on the Quaker Oats box in the 60s.
Now that's a text.
Thank you, Jack.
We're coming right back to read more of your texts.
It's Pete Schwabba in Nightlight.
So glad you're here, folks.
Don't go away.
We're coming right back.
us to
Welcome
back to Nightlight with Peachwabba.
I am Peachwabba.
Kid Conrad Krieger run on the board tonight.
Like thank my guests, Alan Kopischke.
That was fun.
Folks, you can get in your car and be at the Door Kinetic Arts Festival from Green Bay in probably less than an hour.
Check it out in September and also the bookstore in Appleton.
We just talked to bookstore owner, Kailin Bavink.
Two great places right here in Northeast Wisconsin.
We've got some more text here.
Okay, man, we gotta get through.
I fell a little bit behind and I found Luke Mather's response a bit unsettling.
Not gonna lie.
Well, we need to just go through this hate of cookie dough and just, you
know.
It's real.
It's not quite...
It's even more so than my hatred.
No, not my hatred, my misunderstanding of the handshake custom.
Cookie dough is worse.
It's offensive.
Wow, I'm kidding.
I think Mary Ellen is John's grandmother.
I went back and reread that text, so sorry we got that wrong, John, but Monique in Madison, she's in the 608 says, when I was 12 years old, I went to go see, who?
Some play, I assume.
EQUS in Rockford.
They had full frontal nudity of the man and it shocked everyone in the audience.
I'm 60 now, so do the math.
You can't say you just saw full frontal male nudity and asked me to do the math, because my 12 year old brain is gonna make a joke about that.
Monique, I'm sorry that traumatized you.
That's how some theaters, some shows are like that, you know?
Get these actors, I don't know.
So John Murray also says, Mary Ellen made a mean gingerbread cookie too.
Again, no nuts, please.
The walnuts are the anti-sweet ad in that I cannot reconcile.
So, all right, so John has a thing for walnuts or against walnuts like I have with cookie dough and ice cream.
I can't.
I just can't take it.
Steve from Florida says, my favorite chocolate chip cookie is my wife's Conrad's mom.
She also makes a great tasting chocolate chip peanut butter cookie as well.
Also, I got to say, any kind of cookie dough is scrum-delicious.
Oh man, your dad and I were like thick as thieves until that text, Conrad.
I cannot, I scrum-delicious.
Come on, Steve, you're better than that.
Also, I thought your mom said she,
cookie she didn't have to make was her favorite.
Yeah, I mean, she makes cookies.
I just don't think she likes doing it.
She makes them for your dad.
All right.
They are good cookies.
That's love.
Tom from New Berlin says, my mother's as a kid, always fresh out of the oven, like Midwest Express.
Those, you know, every once in a while, like a marketing thing just works.
I used to fly Midwest Express because they had a direct flight to LA.
So for like 14 years, as long as Midwest Express was an operation, we would always try to fly Midwest Express.
And it was solely
because you got on an airplane smelling chocolate chip cookies.
They were that good.
And they were always giving you more, like they were generous.
It's not like the airline's an hour.
It's like, no, you get one cookie, eat it and get out.
Luke Mathers says, Pete's convinced me.
Luke is one of our brethren here at Civic Media.
He says, I'm gonna have some cookie dough ice cream from my freezer tonight to celebrate National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.
Luke, I don't know what goes on in your home.
I don't want to know what goes on at your home, but I've heard enough.
Enjoy it, buddy.
So I read Monique.
Okay, we got one more here.
Get through these.
John says, if you stay at a country Inn & Suites hotel, the first smell in the lobby is warm chocolate chip cookies baked on site.
Nice touch.
That is very Midwest Express.
John also says it's all you can eat.
That's how they get you.
They fatten you up.
Then you need a bigger room next time you go.
See how that works, John?
From the 920, Andy from Green Bay says, Uncle Mike's makes an incredible NYT, New York Times chocolate chip cookie.
New York.
I don't know what the T stands for.
And New York.
I don't know either.
We need clarification, Andy.
But we get the gist.
Uncle Mike's is dynamite.
And then John again says, it's my granny, silly.
Okay.
You know what, John?
You don't need to get lippy.
I don't know your family.
They sound a little hostile.
I'm not going to lie.
Maybe that's why they made you cookies to calm you down.
I figured out it was your grandma.
It took me a while, but I reread your text.
Thank you, John.
Always good to hear from you buddy.
Steady Eddie says, Pete, my mom made the best chocolate chip cookies of all time.
We call them cowboy cookies.
Yahoo, yippee-ki-yum.
All right.
That's right up there with scrum deletion.
No, that was great.
Conrad likes it.
All right.
I guess that's a keeper, Steady Eddie.
He says, I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
Eat your heart out, famous Amos.
You know what, Steady Eddie?
Conrad has been badmouthing you for a long time, so if you want to fight someone, Conrad's got a line around the block of people who want to fight him.
I guess so.
You think he could take Steady Eddie?
I don't know.
You could probably take him when he's steadfast, Edward.
I'll take him out for some dinner, because he's brought some...
brought some good food recommendations every time.
That's true.
He checks it in so.
And we're lovers here at night like we're not fighters.
Yes.
Our pal Corey Hartman here at Civic Media, a fellow Civic Media brother says, I absolutely don't need nuts in any baked good ever.
Thank you for your support.
Corey, that's why we're here.
You know, and Corey doesn't need support from anyone, but we will support him nonetheless.
Thank you, buddy.
You know what, the nut that's really good in a baked good.
some nice nuts in banana bread.
With some butter on top.
I should take this moment to say that today is actual grab some nuts day.
It really is.
That's a national holiday.
It would have been too easy for me to go there and make the question about that.
I wasn't going to invite that kind of chaos tonight, like tonight.
John says, what a jab.
Ouch.
I'm teasing John.
We love you.
And Tom from New Berlin says, love our listeners.
You bet we do, Tom.
I'm glad you do, too.
On the stream, one more comment here before we get out of here.
Dave says, anyone who makes them for their waiting room.
Yeah.
Okay.
What does he mean, like a doctor?
Oh, like if you're like a jiffy lube or something.
Yeah, actually, you know, those places make some dynamite.
good chocolate cookies.
Well, I love guys that change my oil and make cookies too.
Who doesn't want that?
The
same hands?
Don't wash it.
Get that oil up in there.
You got a fan here, Tom.
Tom says Pete rocks because of Conrad.
All right.
There we
go.
No argument there.
All right, everybody.
Thank you for your text and calls tonight.
So much fun here.
Thank you to Alan Kopischke and Kailin Bovink.
We'll be back tomorrow night with Madison film critic Rob Thomas and photographer and musician Chris Rogowski from here in Northeast Wisconsin.
We are coming back tomorrow night to do this all over again, folks.
So let's start counting the minutes.
On behalf of the lovable producer Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night to
Wisconsin.
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