Frank Anderson Takes Us To The Outer Limits (Hour 1)

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A guy who loves to watch true crime, but only if it's shoplifting peach wabba

That is true.

Oh my god.

What a way to start the show You want to do over Tyler there could we do the whole thing over would that be crazy?

Yeah, okay just a second

Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.

We don't have to do the whole thing.

You don't want.

I should just start talking.

I'm going to sound

like an Irish tenor.

It's all right.

And now a guy who wants planted evidence so he could make a citizen's arrest.

Pete Chwaba.

Alrighty, ladies and gentlemen.

That is how you do a double intro, Mr. Aaron Zommeres.

Thank you.

Welcome to Nightlight.

I am Pete Schwab.

It is great to have you here tonight, folks.

It is a beautiful, I shouldn't say beautiful, because the other night I got burned, but it is a gorgeous night, at least here in Madison.

I hope it's lovely wherever you are across our state as we move through the evening.

It's just a Friday night.

Be happy.

Join the show.

We're going to talk about some really fun stuff tonight.

It's a bar man Friday night.

Terry Barr is here.

Is she here, Aaron Zalmers?

I think so.

Sort of.

In a way.

In a way.

We have a segment we're going to play with Terry Barr, our bar band Friday night.

You're all familiar with and she is bringing great tunes as usual.

We will play that at 730.

She might be here live, but she dropped by yesterday and we did it.

So it's great stuff.

Dana Perry is her name, this musician that Terry is introducing us to tonight.

You are not going to want to miss that.

She's just really terrific.

At 635, it's funny that you just did a redo, AZ, because we need a redo with our 635 guests tonight.

Frank Anderson, folks, of Wisconsinology.com was supposed to be on the show Wednesday.

But when I was talking about the beautiful weather Wednesday night here in Madison, they were...

They were having horrible storms up in northeast Wisconsin.

My own house lost power and we had trouble keeping Frank on the line.

He had some issues, technical issues too.

So we rescheduled him for tonight.

He will be here at 6.35.

And we're going to be talking about all kinds of fun stuff.

He has a site called Wisconsinology.com, great Wisconsin stuff, weird stuff, historical stuff, famous stuff, great stories about our state.

It's a phenomenal website.

Frank is also a director, producer, and musician.

Very accomplished.

I call him a showbiz, renaissance man, and he is Appleton's own.

So that's at 635.

Aaron Zommer's filling in for the K-man who is off.

Conrad was off last night too, wasn't he?

I believe so.

And we don't know what he's doing.

I don't.

I find that subpar.

I need to know what Conrad is doing.

Maybe you can get him an ankle monitor or something.

Nightlight ankle monitor.

Yes a branded one.

I love that Conrad is off.

He will be he will be back Tuesday night and Aaron's armor sitting in Aaron typically produces the Todd Alba show here on Civic Media So if you don't listen to that you should but I'm sure you already do Todd does great work and Aaron is right there doing great work with them Is it very different?

This show can't be that much different to produce because Todd is Todd talks politics and current events, but he's also pretty

He likes to lighten up every once in a while,

right?

Yes, definitely.

I would say I've produced many shows at Civic Media over my time here, and I would say that yours and Todd's not too different from each other.

Okay, that's good.

It's always fun to be a guest on your show too, and we've had Todd on.

He does a phenomenal job every time he's on the show.

So it's great to have you, buddy.

Thank you for all you've done all week.

We've been here all week, folks, in Madison, broadcasting from Civic Media headquarters overlooking State Street.

And it's been a really fun week.

And Aaron Zalmers has delivered, as he always does when I'm here.

Thank you to Dom.

Thank you everybody for making it work.

Luke Mathers, Corey Hartman, Aaron Greno, Sage Wilde.

Great stuff.

Hey, we got a really fun question tonight.

Should we get to that?

And then...

Move on and talk about other stuff.

Why don't we do that?

Yeah, let's open it up.

Let's get to the night light.

Question of the night.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Question.

Questions.

What is your favorite lake or body of water in Wisconsin?

It's a fun one.

We're known for our lakes.

A lot of people don't realize this.

Mostly in Minnesota, probably.

But Wisconsin actually has many more lakes than Minnesota.

Did you know that, Aaron?

I

did, but from what I understand, it's because our definition of lake is more broad.

And we accept smaller bodies of water than they do as lakes, I think.

Do you think that's like sort of spin from Minnesota?

It could be.

It very well could be.

I'll tell you, the guy to ask is going to be here at 6.35, and that's why I kind of say this question for tonight.

Frank Anderson knows all about Wisconsin, so we'll run that by Frank.

That sounds plausible, what you just said, but as far as I know, we do have more lace than Minnesota.

We just don't brag about it.

We don't have to put it on a license plate, as it were.

So that is our question of the night, folks.

What is your favorite Wisconsin lake or body of water?

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Great fun.

I'm gonna say, this is kind of a no-brainer for me because I grew up as a kid.

I went up to the three lakes area.

to my grandma's cottage.

It was on a chain of lakes.

There were 27 lakes in the chain, even though it was called three lakes.

I don't, I've had that explained to me a few times and heard different things as to why it's called, reasons why it's called three lakes.

But Big Stone Lake is mine just because I spent so much time running and catching frisbees off the pier.

My whole childhood in the summer, that's all I remember is being in three lakes on Big Stone Lake at my grandma's cottage.

So I'm going to say Big Stone Lake

in the Three Lakes area.

That is my favorite body of water.

I live very close to Green Bay, the body of water Green Bay, not the city.

So I like that too.

But in terms of being picturesque, I'm going to say Big Stone Lake and Three Lakes.

What about you, Erin?

You got a favorite body of water?

I think I'm going to go with East Bearskin Lake, way up north in the Harsha, Rhinelander type area.

It's just one that...

I go fishing on with my dad a lot when we're up north.

There's a few other ones in the area, horse head lakes, Lake Catherine.

A lot of good ones for fishing up there, but I know bearskin is always fun because it has a lot of variety of shoreline.

Like some lakes you go fishing on and it's all about the same, but there there's areas that are rockier, areas that are weedier.

And so if you like to go and fish and want some variety in your day, that's a good place to go.

And that's in Rhinelander?

Around

there

around round.

Did you say East Bear Skin Lake?

Yes, I think there's it's I believe it's two lakes that are kind of split

There has to be a West Bear Skin Lake.

I believe it's calling one of them East, right?

Okay.

Well, that's cool.

That's gorgeous.

That's the same That's we did the question the other day.

What where is up north start?

That's both of these big stone and bear skin are both definitely up north

definitely

But some people might say Lake Winnebago.

I guess you could say Lake Michigan or Superior.

Technically, they're touching Wisconsin, but I like the inland lakes.

There's something so serene about them and the trees surrounding

the lake.

And it's just more contained.

And that's what I loved about Big Stone Lake in the Three Lakes area.

It was big enough to water ski on.

I never really did because I was a bad water skier.

You could go tubing.

We did lots of that.

There was all kinds of, it was big enough to do that, but it wasn't huge.

You didn't get the big waves.

And running off the pier was like the greatest thing ever.

We would just do that all day.

So share with us, folks, be part of the show.

What is your favorite Wisconsin lake or body of water?

I know a lot of people where I live, they do a lot of stuff on the Pestigo River.

They ski, there's all kinds of tubing and stuff like that, fishing on the Pestigo River as well.

I know there's lots of fishing holes up near Marinette Pestigo.

You could even, if your favorite body waters a little fishing hole, that's okay too.

There just has to be water involved.

So let us know.

That is our nightlight question of the night.

Hope everybody is having a great Friday.

I have to read this because our pal Bud from Jamesville texts us over the night.

He listens to the rebroadcast from four to six AM and he was referring to last night's guest, Steve Cochran.

And he said, I love Steve Cochran.

Exclamation point.

I listened to him on WGN from the moment he started to the moment he was told to shut up and leave the building.

He unfortunately knew that, quote, hand signal.

Love your show, Bud from Janesville.

He's referring to the hand signal.

Dom was giving me hand signals last night, but I didn't say what he said.

No, I was looking.

I didn't know if he was telling me to talk or shut up.

So we had a laugh about that.

And then Steve Cochran was on the line at the same time and he goes, I've gotten a lot of hand signals from my bosses and radio.

And I forgot to give Steve a plug last night.

So check out at Cochrane Show, Steve's website.

I think you can listen to his show there as well.

But he's got lots of fun stuff.

And he's got podcasts too, which he's asked me to be on in a couple of weeks.

And it's called Anything But Politics, which is kind of what we do here for the most part.

So it's great to have Steve on the show last night.

Thank you for the text bud.

So you said, all right, Caddyshack, this is a big anniversary today because Caddyshack

dropped today, which was probably also a Friday in 1980.

Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, Brian Murray, Ted Knight, Rodney Dangerfield, just a fantastic cast and one of my, one of the iconic movies of my childhood.

I was not a good golfer.

I played golf a little bit, but I loved everything about Caddyshack.

So that's a big anniversary today.

So if you want to chime in, if you want to share something about Caddyshack, whatever it is, folks, throughout the course of the show,

It's great to hear from you guys, so you're always welcome to comment on whatever we're talking about tonight.

I think my favorite Caddyshack character, it's probably a toss up between, you know what?

I was gonna say it's a toss up between Ty Webb, played by Chevy Chase, and Carl, played by Bill Murray, but I'm gonna break that tie and say Ted Knight, Judge Smales, because I feel like he gets as many laughs in that movie as anybody.

And that line weren't there in the pro shop.

Rodney Dangerfield says, oh, this is the worst looking hat I've ever seen.

When you buy a hat like this, I bet they give you a free bowl of soup.

And he looks over at 10 at night, he's wearing the hat.

Maybe my favorite part of the whole movie.

Beautiful stuff.

So also, all right, you showed me also, Aaron, let's try to get to this before the break.

I was reading today about how Trey Parker and Matt Stone

had to fight to get that episode, the season premiere of season 27, South Park on the air.

Paramount, who had just fired Stephen Colbert, kept telling them no.

And they showed a little, they showed junk on the air, but what allowed them to do that was they put eyes on it and made it a character.

And they

had a talk.

And they had a talk.

And I don't know how much I can say here.

I've been told I can have a little leeway because I'm on at night.

It's incredible that the stuff and I've never even come close to being in rooms like those guys are but What I've seen them shut down Compared to what they got on the air is mind-blowing and at comic con they said that they went back and forth with paramount for four days saying and Paramount would say you're not putting this on and they were like we are putting that on back and forth back and forth They just paid these guys a billion and a half dollars and Parker and stone one

and they got on with, their concession might have been putting eyes on it and giving it a voice.

Also,

it moves in a very disjointed way.

It is clearly, you know, they can make the case that it's a creature.

It's

not actually a creature.

It looks like a

finger.

So yeah, whatever they did, those guys are, well, they're brilliant writers, but just to get that through the studio system and get it on the air, I don't know if people understand what a challenge that had to have been, even for guys with an established track record.

like the South Park guys.

It was fascinating.

It was a fascinating read.

All right.

What is your favorite Wisconsin body of water or lake, river, fishing, hole, whatever?

Let us know.

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Let's take a verse.

Give me a five.

Why don't you just let me be?

It might be the first time I've ever sang on the show.

Really?

Maybe second.

Hey, it's Pete Schwabba Nightlight.

Great to have you with me on this Friday night coming to you live from downtown Madison.

Frank Anderson, founder of Wisconsinology.com, and a great Appletonian will be here at 6.35.

And then it is a bar band Friday night.

Terry Bar will be here at 7.35 with a great

artist she is featuring tonight.

So you won't want to miss either one of those.

Our question of the night is what is your favorite Wisconsin lake or body of water?

And you can also share your favorite Caddyshack character because Caddyshack premiered in 1980 on this day.

So that makes it what 45 years ago.

I guess.

Oh yeah.

Lord, wow.

Crazy.

We have a phone call I think in regard to our question of the night and it is Jack from Merrimack.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, thanks.

Thanks for putting me on.

Absolutely.

I just want to

say first of all that when I first heard about your show, I was a little skeptical.

I primarily tuned into civic media for the political commentary and talk, but your show is

just been fabulous.

The entertainment and the guests that you have just, it's really been an enjoyable experience.

Thank you very much, Jack.

Here's as political as I get, Jack.

Love one another.

How's that?

That sounds like, boy, we could all use some

of that.

If only it were that easy, right?

Yeah.

Thank you very much for the nice words.

Do you have a favorite lake?

In Wisconsin, Jack?

Yeah, I actually do.

I have some wonderful memories of Shawna Lake up in near Shawna, Wisconsin.

Very nice.

The time I was probably six or seven years old, every summer from then until probably I was 13 or 14,

when we moved out of Green Bay.

My mother and I would go up to Shawna Lake when school vacation started.

My dad would work in Green Bay, and he would come up and join us on the weekend.

Sometimes he'd get a three-day weekend with us, and it was just a wonderful experience.

I spent many, many days just hanging out on the waters, fishing, or even swimming.

where our cottage was, my grandparents cottage really, where that was.

It was not real great swimming, but we could walk from there down to the county park and there was a good swimming beach down there.

Just a wonderful lake and a wonderful experience.

And by the way, the fishing was terrific.

Jack, that is fantastic.

Thank you, buddy.

Appreciate the call and thank you for the nice words.

Have a great night.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

That is very well put.

I could not have said it better myself.

What Jack just described is magical.

That is the Wisconsin Lake experience.

The Wisconsin Summer Lake experience.

Whether it's just on the weekends or you live close to a place like that, you're around fishing, swimming.

It doesn't get any better than that.

Seriously, if Wisconsin was not so cold in the winter, there would be 15 million people living here.

I think that's very possible.

It's that beautiful and it's that fun in the summer.

It's just those damn winters.

Let's go to our social media texts.

Let's read the responses today.

Daniel Wheeler says, Turtle Lake in Lily, Wisconsin.

I've heard of Turtle Lake.

My childhood friend in my neighborhood used to go all the way up to Turtle Lake, which I believe is like northwest in Wisconsin.

I think so.

I think it is.

Daniel says, a gorgeous little lake filled with small mouth bass and surrounded by steep hills of pine and birch.

Just make sure you're off the water before sunset.

That's when the turtles come out.

Daniel, that sounds like a fun little horror film with the horrible turtles.

Love it.

Thank you, buddy.

Monica Hale says, Lake Minona, because I love the drive down John Nolan at night with the city lights reflecting on the water.

That is beautiful.

That's true.

How sad is it that I didn't even think of the two lakes we have here in Madison because sitting out at the Union at night, and I've seen movies where that's Mendoza, right?

I always get them confused.

I get them confused, too.

I haven't lived here that long.

One of the lakes.

But the one that's by the Union is just stunning at night.

So I would have to put that on my list as well.

Vince Moranto, fellow former, he's still a comedian, a Chicago comedian, says Lake Geneva is literally 20 minutes from me.

So I'll go with that.

Yeah, Lake Geneva is pretty nice, too.

Great answer so far.

Let's go to the text line and see what is cooking there.

Mark from Prairie to Sex says, I'll always have a soft spot for Lake Superior.

My grandparents actually had land on it.

They moved there during the Great Depression, leaving electricity more or less behind until the REA came along and brought it to Herbster.

Do you know what the REA is?

I don't know.

Okay.

I remember collecting...

green sea glass on their little beach.

One time I found a big butter knife floating in the water that must have fallen off a lake.

Oh, that's great.

Thank you, Mark.

Appreciate it.

We got another call.

Wait a minute.

This is one of my favorite Wisconsin lakes, and she's on the phone right now.

Ladies and gentlemen, Catherine Lake.

How are you, my friend?

Are you in my station right now?

I am.

I've been here all week.

What the hell?

I keep missing you.

Oh, my God.

I know.

Well, I don't work nights.

Thanks for God's sakes.

I'm doing the mornings.

I'm hanging

out with Don

and Gorgias.

But

I love listening

to you.

I hung out with them.

The other day I was on their show and they were filling in for Maggie.

And those guys are so much fun.

We had a

blast.

They adore you too.

They want to have you get up in the morning and be with them, but it's too damn early.

I'll do it.

I told them I'll do it.

I'd make an exception.

I go on Don Rosen's show sometimes.

I'll go on their show.

I love it.

Yeah, well, you know, if you go on Don, you got to go on John.

That's

right.

No, I'm calling also because I adore your question.

You are sitting between the two lakes.

The only one that matters.

I

know.

The

only one.

Manona.

That's all you got to know.

I don't know about the only ones, but they're both phenomenal.

The

only one.

I don't know what you got in Green Bay, but Michigan.

That's okay.

If you're on the coast, we've got our station ever seen.

Yeah.

And

here in Madison we have Catherine Lake

We

have to we have to get to the news Catherine.

It was great to hear from you Is she still there I yeah, did you bump her I did how dare you we're coming right back with Frank Anderson ladies and gentlemen.

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It

was a

request.

Who requested that, Frank?

Me.

Do you know who that famous voice is?

That's Vic Perrin from Menominee Falls, Wisconsin.

Oh, I knew there was a Wisconsin connection there.

Well, and the creator of Outer Limits, of course, was Leslie Stevens, who got his big break in show business, courtesy.

our very own Orson Welles.

Oh, of course.

Ladies and gentlemen, that is the voice of the one and only Frank Anderson, who is the founder of Wisconsinology.com and a music producer, movie producer, director, musician, just a showbiz, showbiz Renaissance man.

And we tried to have Frank the other night, but there was, there were all kinds of storms up in Northeast Wisconsin.

So Frank, thank you for being available tonight.

I'm glad we got to have this talk finally.

Well, I am available.

I'm actually I haven't a half hour left before I have to go on stage.

Where are you going on stage?

Just a local thing.

It's an apple.

Oh,

very nice.

Are you do you have anything to do with a mile of music?

Did Oh

No, not bad.

I think it's fantastic to change the whole city.

Yeah, everything

I mean, we live in cover band land, USA, right?

Yeah.

Every year, the cover band is a year if there is such an award.

Well, there is.

It goes to someone from Green Bay or Appleton, Rochester.

Yes.

And I mean, that's all there was to aspire to.

You know, when I become a musician, I want to be able to copy other musicians like nobody ever copied them.

You know and there was a lack of originality and by the way a little helpful hint to all budding musicians out there The whole idea of becoming one is to not sound like anyone else or be like anyone else

That's it.

Yeah now listen.

That's great advice like to any artist all you have any art is your personality That's what sets you apart absolutely Frank and I will say

Northeast Wisconsin does have some amazing cover bands, but I totally hear what you're saying.

Oh, they're extraordinary.

Yeah The first day I was in Appleton when I moved here.

I was standing line for coffee The lady in front of me goes, you know that Vic Ferrari You close your eyes when you listen to him and you think you're listening to the record And I suppose that's the highest compliment cover band think

I didn't know what any of those things meant.

Then I discovered every damn band in the valley was a

cover band.

Well, you've played with enough bands.

I mean, you're like, you've played with Butch Big and all these huge musicians.

I only played with bands that had original material.

Yeah.

I played with, you know, bar bands when I was in the teenager, but that soon ended.

Yeah, so it's all a mystery to me, but I guess they're very well paid, and that's all you need.

There you go.

That's right.

Hey, speaking of bands, and I wasn't going to lead with this, but since we're on the topic, Spinal Tap 2 is coming out.

What do you feel about that, Frank?

Did you like the first one?

Loved it.

Yeah.

Loved it.

It was fantastic.

And I was in a theater full of people, young people.

Well, I was young then.

who sought to do a real band.

They didn't get to that time at all.

I love

that.

I love that.

Yeah.

Oh, god.

You know what?

I have to say, when I was doing stand up, I was working at some one night gig in Minnesota and we were talking about late night TV and the DJ who introduced the comics said, well, you know, Leno does his thing and Letterman does his thing.

And then Larry Sanders, he does like a whole different thing, which I find really interesting.

He thought.

Larry Sanders was an actual late-night talk show host that showed you mostly behind-the-scenes

stuff,

which it kind of was, but I'm like, if this guy's kidding, he's totally fished me in, and I've fallen for it, but it was just a beautiful moment.

Oh, he's not kidding.

I've run into many like that, and don't slam on them.

I mean, he really sold

it.

Oh, he sure did.

It was a great show.

Yeah, yeah.

So, all right, so what got me, I mean, we have you on regardless every so often, Frank, but what really caught me, my attention was the Davey Crockett statue in Nina, and I thought I knew Frank would have something on this, sure enough,

yeah.

For all the people who aren't familiar with Nina, a local philanthropist named John Bergstrom is buying all these statues for Nina.

So you have a, you know, if you go through town, you'll see Ben Franklin, you'll see Abraham Lincoln sitting on a bench.

You'll see Thomas Jefferson sitting on a bench.

You'll see, you'll see, for some reason, you'll see Ronald, of course we know why.

Ronald Reagan on a street corner waving at everybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, um, well, David Crockett has now joined the group.

So what's the deal there?

They just.

I mean, it's such an eclectic

I know and I got I got a hand at him though.

He also has a Statue of Liberty, which is really the most hated symbol among People of the right wing.

Oh Really?

It's a point of contention with them.

Send away.

You're hungry.

You're poor people needing to be free.

We don't know that's their own message

Frank,

what?

And I'm not swearing.

Did you hear me?

No, I know.

The two things, Aaron, that I always tell Frank.

I promise my wife I wouldn't swear on Pete Schwab's show anymore.

And I'm sticking to it.

Dagnamit.

Whenever Frank is on, I say, Frank, I don't do politics.

And you can't swear because it's the radio.

And he always somehow manages to shoehorn a borderline swear political thing in there.

All right, so Frank one of the things I give you credit for which is really phenomenal Frank Anderson is my guest by the way a founder of wisconsinology.com a must follow or visit is how is your your ability to tie everything that's ever happened in the world to Wisconsin and Exaggerating

modern world Built on Wisconsin ideas the entire modern world.

Well, you might have a point

from, from stuffing your kitchen to the grand concept that Medicare is good.

Very fair point.

Very well said.

Um, but what I want to ask you about is this, uh, you, there was a mob hit that you posted about on Facebook and you took credit on behalf of our state for, uh, Milwaukee trying to off lefty Rosenthal, who was a Chicago numbers guy.

um in a vegas i think it was at tony romos in las vegas

that is correct and he is played by deniro robert

deniro

as he knows that's right roughly played loosely based but that car bomb that opens the entire movie is not loosely based that actually happened

correct

and so i wrote yeah because because because the man behind the hit was from milwaukee frank balistrari

Frank the Mad Bomber Ballastry.

I wrote Packers Badgers.

We rule

Wisconsin Wait a minute, but but is that okay because lefty Rosenthal

was like a business guy for the mob for the Chicago outfit.

He gets they try to take him out and there was some kind of weird plate in the bottom of the car that saved his life and he he lived and then he kind of kind of went away to protect himself.

Right there was so poorly.

Do you remember 70s cars Pete?

Yeah.

They're all crap.

Like crap, they were barely thrown together.

Everyone I ever had just melted in two weeks.

And Cadillac was severely unbalanced, they found on the road.

So by putting a metal plate onto the driver's seat, it gave it a balance to this particular model in Cadillac.

And that saved his life because the bomb was right under there.

That is unbelievable.

OK, so what I didn't know was,

I'm familiar with the balustrary family in Milwaukee.

And there are different balustraries.

I'm not lumping all of them into... There's tons of them.

Yeah.

There's tons of them.

And they're not all in the... Right.

No.

No.

But I know when I worked the Comedy Cafe that there were, you know, some of the people there knew Frank Balustrary, but you're connecting him to this bombing.

What do you mean?

Like, is this something like the Chicago mob farmed out and said, hey, take care of this for us?

Or how directly was... No,

no.

No.

Okay.

No.

Once again.

on Wisconsin.

No, the Milwaukee mob moved in big time.

They wanted more of it.

And that's why that

happened?

Yeah, the Milwaukee mob is significant in the 70s Vegas action.

And I mean, I remember the Vegas of the 70s, it was transition.

They were arguing whether to go to family format or be more family friendly like they are now.

and to get away from hardcore gambling, but still being hardcore gambling.

But yeah, it was a transition time.

The places were really empty back then.

And it was hard attracting.

You had to have a major star up there.

You had to have a Tom Jones.

You had to have a Dean Martin.

You couldn't settle for...

Sherry Lewis and your puppets or, you know, or Buddy Hackett and even with Buddy Hackett, that just didn't do it anymore.

And yeah, yeah.

So the Milwaukee mob kind of flexed its muscle there for a little while.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Okay, so.

Recently, I want to just ask you about this.

There was this great screening at the new Atwood Music Hall here in Madison.

Did you go to that?

It was Wendy Schneider's film, The Smart Studios, based on Butch Vig and Steve Marker.

How did that go?

How was that, Frank?

It was fantastic.

Wendy did such a great job.

She's great.

And you'd be very ashamed of me watching it, because I was counting the number of times I appear.

And versus, hold it, this is the reason versus how many times Billy Corgan appeared in the documentary, because he's all over it, right?

Right.

But I beat him.

You're all over that documentary.

Yeah, yeah, I was keeping score.

Because Billy, I got you by three.

You got five minutes left to settle it.

Oh, my, Frank, there was a time about seven years ago where within the course of a week, I was watching documentaries and you would either direct it or were in like

four of them.

I'm like, oh, my God.

And we had just become friends.

I'm like, who the hell is this guy?

You know, but that's impressive.

And you know, and you spend some time in those circles, and you were great in the documentary.

That's really exciting.

I'm really not as a documentary filmmaker, because I get bored so quick.

But many of my friends who had me involved in areas that I'm actually good at, like animation or whatever.

Yeah,

or I was talking that

You know, we're kind enough to involve me.

I mean, as a documentary filmmaker, you have to really dig into your subject, and you got to show up every day sometimes for years to let a story unfold or to find a story.

I'm good for one day.

Well, I hope you're good for a few more minutes.

We're going to do a really fast break here.

We're coming right back, and I'm going to ask Frank about Sidney Sweeney.

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is confused right now.

This is more music from Caddyshack.

I

thought it was Caddyshack.

It was the supper club scene.

Yeah.

I didn't know if this was another one of Frank's requests or not, so.

Welcome back to Nightlight.

I'm Peach Wava.

It's a Bar Band Friday night, folks.

Terry Bar will be here at 735 with new music and sparkling conversation.

What is your favorite Wisconsin lake?

or body of water.

That is tonight's question.

You can also share your favorite Caddyshack character if you like.

Caddyshack is 45 years old as of today.

Frank Anderson is my guest right now.

The always fun Frank Anderson.

Check out Wisconsinology.com and or listen to us talk right here.

That's even better.

Hey Frank, do you have a favorite body of water in Wisconsin?

Like Winnebago.

Yeah.

Why?

Yeah, because

Because it's near me.

Well done.

Because I'm speaking up for my region.

There you go.

I love

that.

My

answers will be things that are made here.

Northeast

Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Hey, I wanted to, you posted something the other day.

I don't know if it was probably Facebook, but about Pamela Anderson's comeback.

Um, oh, yeah, she's actually a really good actor and you know, she always was Yeah, it's just that that sex tape that that made her well Baywatch didn't help

either before that.

Yeah She was you know, they find the peg hole for you and they stick it there in Hollywood.

Yeah,

and I can only imagine I can't imagine how many

You know powerful older men.

She had to fight off her life and her career is She's a real hero.

Yeah, and a great actress getting a lot of a lot of props for the the last couple projects She's done the show girl and then this this new project that she just did recently

Absolutely, which is what is I

know I

can't know real by Tennessee.

Oh, there you go.

Yeah

And then Tennessee Williams, that's, you know, he's no slouch.

He's back, baby.

Thanks to Pamela Anderson.

You

forgot about him for 30 years, but he's

back.

You did a post too about this new Sydney Sweeney movie, Americana, which I was not aware of.

It hits theaters.

I think it hits theaters August 15th, 2025, but she's supposed to be really good in

that.

She's coming attraction.

She's fantastic.

I don't know the accent.

I urge everyone out there to

Look up the trailer for Americana, which opens this summer and go to YouTube and watch that trailer and tell me if you understand a single word Sydney Sweeney says I love it.

I love it that she made up this or you know found someone with this wonderful accent And I love accents.

She's great.

She has a bar of soap.

I don't know if you were aware of this Frank, but

that is supposedly like it's based on her bathwater.

They somehow have found a way to infuse Sidney Sweeney's bathwater into soap because men are very lonely.

It's sold out immediately.

Yeah.

And you know what?

Here's what a sucker I am.

Is our entire nation

sick?

Yes.

There are a lot of lonely people who only live online.

And I here's here's how.

I believe this, Frank.

Somebody, as a hoax, put a bar of soap with a hole in the middle and said, that was the Sydney Sweeney soap.

And I believed it.

And it was just a joke.

But I thought, I bet people would buy that.

I can't believe it.

Well, I can believe it.

I know.

Oh my god.

I bet she's the object of many much older.

Yeah.

Powerful men too.

Probably like Pamela

dealing with the same stuff

There's a great word for them.

I just learned these guys that have who date people who are 30 years younger than they are They're called schnizzlers

schnizzlers.

I never heard that schnizzlers

spread that one around

Is this a Wisconsinology thing or did you just make that up or is that a real thing?

After a friend of mine made it up, and I couldn't stop laughing.

Yeah, I kind of like it.

It's catchy.

Every time I see someone with a 30 year old younger 20 year old Donald Trump's a schnizzler.

Rolling Stones are schnizzlers.

They're all around

us.

We're a wash in schnizzlers.

We're a wash.

Hey, before we, I know you have to go.

I think you, did you have dinner?

Or no, you're going to the gig.

You got a gig, right?

Oh, sorry.

I'm right at the gig.

It's no big deal.

Oh, OK.

All right.

I wanted to ask you, Jack Pierce.

I saw this.

I don't remember if it was Wisconsinology or your Facebook.

The man who laughs from 1926 to 1928.

This is where the Joker came from.

Is that right?

And you tied this to Wisconsin, expertly.

I love it.

Well, it's kind of tied to Wisconsin.

But the great part is, you know, too young.

Two young boys watching that movie the man who laughs and if I were you and watch it it is an amazing movie and They watched it and they grew up of course to be the comic artists of Batman and they never forgot Conrad Vite as Gwynn Plain.

It's a famous novel the man who laughs Alexander the Moth

And it was a huge hit in its time.

The boys never forgotten that pasted that smile on it on their character, the Joker.

That is so great.

From 1926 to 1928, that's not a talkie, right?

No, I think it has sound synchronization.

You know,

some effects that are synchronized.

But I hate talkies, so.

Oh,

that's

funny.

Right up my alley.

That's great.

Check out Wisconsinology folks, Wisconsinology.com, Frank Anderson.

Frank, what are you... Can I

have a quick shout

out?

Absolutely, and tell us where you're playing if people are listening in Northeast Wisconsin.

We've got about 40 seconds.

It's a private party.

Oh,

okay.

But I want a big shout out to Christina, Lori.

Oh, yeah.

Her guest last week from Up North News.

She's not there anymore.

She is on her own, and if you check her out on Facebook,

It's a great source of... Actually, she keeps it up every 30 minutes.

She's got a new post about Wisconsin.

Oh, that's so great.

Yeah, I just heard about that last week, and you guys are kindred spirits with your love for our state.

Hey, thank you,

buddy.

I think we are, but

she's great.

Thanks so much, Frank.

Crush it at the gig, and can't wait to do this again.

Alright,

Frank Anderson ladies and gentlemen, check out Wisconsinology.com.

We are coming back with Act 2 right after intermission here.

More candy-shack music as we segue into

Act 2 here at Nightlight with Peach Wapa.

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