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Vampires & Lake Monsters (Hour 2)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Tue Jun 3, 2025
So great to have you with me on this Tuesday night as we start Act 2 here on the show.
So our first hour was packed with infotainment, folks.
We talked about the nine best cities in Wisconsin supposedly because they are the only nine mentioned in US
News and World Report's top 250 list.
Conrad, by the way, in case you were curious, the number one city, it only took me 12 and a half hours to scroll through this list, Johns Creek, Georgia.
How proud John must be, who probably isn't around to see the blooming of his discovered city, but it's the number one city in the entire country, which is exciting for them.
Carmel, Indiana is number two.
So I think I have a guest idea, because we have to fill in somebody tomorrow.
My friend Dave lives there, so I think we can get Dave on.
He's a great comedian, karma.
I want to see that's where David Letterman's from.
But
way, our question of the night, folks, given the inspiration of the Wisconsin city list, the top nine, what is your favorite Wisconsin city excluding the one you live in?
You cannot vote for the city you live in, but what is your favorite secondary city here in Wisconsin?
Let us know at 855-752-4842.
And or you can text us on the app or the stream coming up at 720 some paranormal talk with paranormal investigator and Mino and the mayor producer Todd Michaels He'll be here.
We're gonna talk about lake monsters and vampires and Todd might give us a good Gettysburg ghost story, which I didn't even know those existed So we will do all that and we will get back to our our guest here Rob Thomas in just a second.
We also talked about do you call back a wrong number?
I'm amazed that people do this
So, maybe I'll just rob that when we come back.
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So right now, we're going to get back to our guest, Rob Thomas.
Rob, have you ever had anyone call you and...
Or have you ever called anyone and it was the wrong number and they call you back?
I think I've done that occasion if it's a hang up like it But what I don't understand is if someone goes oh, I'm sorry wrong number and then you call them back like Did you feel like you had a connection with them?
That's what I don't understand.
I don't know but generally in general if you know the less phone calls I have to deal with the better correct And
Hey, who is this what you need?
You know, I don't think anybody's that outgoing.
OK, right before we did the news, Rob, you were about to give us your favorite Mission Impossible film of the franchise.
And I think that was a great what they call in radio teaser.
So we would love
Sure.
Yeah, so I would I would definitely say the sixth movie fallout is my favorite.
Yeah, I watched that so many times.
Um, I used to watch it on the elliptical.
And then at the end of, I, you could watch, you could basically review the movie by my little EKG and like, Oh, that's, that's the car change.
I went way up here.
Oh, that's what he's in the helicopter.
That's way up there.
You know, it's like,
One is a lot of fun.
It's a different kind of movie, I think.
It's 30 years old at this point.
Who is the one I think that nobody really likes?
Clunker.
Yeah, Clunker.
And Four and Five are fantastic as well.
Four is the one where he's hanging off the building in Dubai, which is still one of the greatest stunts I've ever seen.
Needs to watch that because I've seen internet videos on it when he jumps.
I mean, I know he had a cable on him But he was jumping it looked like 30 feet building to building.
Yeah, and that's when he broke his ankle and he kept going in the scene I mean, that's remarkable.
And I mean, a lot of it seems real.
I mean, I think there was a pie that they kind of digitally erased when he's out on the wing.
So it's not like he's in an out of control plane.
Right.
But they, I think they shot it for like four and a half months.
Just like little bits every day.
you know he's hanging upside it's hanging upside it
right so you did this great piece at citycast madison uh and it's funny because i'm talking about how much i love madison and it's been the number one city in america like seven out of the last 10 years whatever it is and you guys uh your your group there at citycast madison
did a podcast talking about the city's toxic traits, which I don't often associate with such a great town, but you guys did not hold back.
Can you tell us what the inspiration for that was and where people can find it?
Well, I think like any town you live in, you have these gripes, you know, even a seemingly perfect town like Madison that like things that bug you.
And there's something about sort of the ideal of Madison that.
Make bugs even more when things happen.
So yeah, we had a we did a podcast where we all talked about our You know the things that bug us and some are really big like You know the city's racial inequities or the housing problem and some are really little like You know Pedestrians when they come to a crossing don't press the button like the walk button.
So
Yeah, there's a lot of that I noticed because we also asked readers and listeners to come up with their toxic traits.
And the interactions between pedestrians, bikers and cars came up a lot.
It seemed like pedestrians not crossing the street, drivers not pulling over for emergency vehicles, which is also a real annoying thing.
And then the whole thing on the bike path where some of the...
doesn't say on your left when they pass you.
But then like, sometimes if you stay on your left, then the people you pass will like freak out because they're so shocked.
They're so caught off guard by somebody passing them.
So it's like, there's no win there.
It was a super fun project we did.
I wrote an article that sort of sums up the listener.
Grypes that we had the podcast and we could easily do another one.
I think with Madison's toxic traits
He is a Madison Bay film critic We're talking about an article that he wrote in city cast Madison where he is the editor newsletter editor About Madison's toxic traits.
I have to say I'm in lockstep with Katie D. I don't know her but
Her gripe was, why isn't there a train from Milwaukee to Madison?
Why is the Amtrak 30 miles from Madison?
Yeah, that one surprised me a little bit.
I think she had another really good point, which is that Madison does not take advantage of its lakes.
A lot of the lakefront property is private, so there's very few restaurants or public parks.
I know they're going to try to redevelop.
some of the lakefront.
But I think that aside from the terrace, maybe the edge water, there's not enough places to gather on the lakefront.
You know, it was slow for a little bit at the beginning of the year, and then it just seems like every day there's a new one.
being announced and new ones opening, new one closing, and then immediately they know what restaurant's coming in to take its place.
It's just a very, you know, not a toxic trait, it's a very vibrant food scene.
Yeah, there's lots to see.
Upping It's a Donut Game, which I found funny.
I didn't realize that needed to be done, but there's a place in Atwood you like, but you also did a piece on Best Indie Venues.
There are, like, three of them in Atwood.
What is happening?
I mean, I know Atwood's a cool neighborhood, but, like, man, is everything happening in Atwood these days?
On our podcast today, we were talking to the owner of this new Atwood Music Hall, which is such a cool space.
And, you know, Live Nation owns a lot of the venues in town.
But there seems to be a lot of these grassroots indie venues coming up that, like, you know, prioritize local music.
Yeah.
you know, bands that could, you know, are just starting out.
So it's really great.
It's really healthy for our music scene, I
All right, our question of the night, you can still get in on the fun, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin city, excluding the one you live in?
We've got Sydney from Oregon says, oh, did you see that?
Are my levels good?
Yeah.
I love when listeners help out.
Thank you, Sydney, for the thing about my mic, but I think we're good now.
I hope so.
And then we've got, let's see here, I got to catch up on these.
Tyler from Wisconsin Rapids.
Tyler, never apologize.
I love your cheekiness.
That's
They absolutely are.
That is a great text, Paula, thank you.
We will read Carol's after the break.
Great stuff, Carol.
And we'll read that.
And we've got one from Bridget.
We'll get through to after a very short break here.
And then we are going to bring in our pal, Todd Michaels, for some lake monster and vampire talk here on Nightlight with Peach Wabba on the Civic Media Radio Network.
started.
How exciting is that?
That is very exciting.
Very exciting.
What will he be on Conrad?
720?
720, yes.
Fantastic.
We're going to give Todd a quiz.
Let's just see how smart our pal Todd Alba is.
Our question of the night, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin city that you don't call home?
You have to take out of the equation your city and tell us your favorite Wisconsin city.
Bridget.
It says, Ashkosh, I have good childhood memories, love the old houses, the university, the history, the natural beauty, and the restaurant, Leon's.
I've been to Leon's, that's good.
They have what they call a juice burger, which is basically a sloppy joe, but it's delicious.
We will get to the rest of your texts as promised very soon, but right now I'm very excited to welcome my next guest.
He produces the mino in the mayor's show here on WGBW and WISS.
Every morning,
with, of course, John Minow and Jim Schmidt.
And he is also on the side, a paranormal investigator and a friend of Nightlight.
Todd Michaels joins us now.
Hey, buddy.
How are you, Pete?
I'm
I had this conversation with someone here.
I was doing an interview earlier today in our Oshkosh studios at WISS, and somebody just joined the Discover Oshkosh team as their marketing director, or marketing coordinator, I should say.
She grew up in Appleton and went to school at UW Oshkosh.
She left.
She was a wiener mobile driver for a while.
So we had some great conversations about that.
I wanted to learn like some of the skills you got to have to pull that off.
But she came back to Oshkosh because she loves it so much.
And I have to, I have to give a shout out to Oshkosh because it's a very underrated city.
And if you've never been, you've got to check it out.
There are events all summer long here.
her mother grew up there and she went to school there.
So when we started dating at the end of college, we did a long distance thing and I would go up there to visit her from Chicago.
So I spent quite a bit of time there and at that age in the bars, there was also a restaurant there.
I really liked, I don't think it's there anymore, but it was called Vitellos.
I was an Italian
They're slow dancing and, and like eating my leftovers at the same time.
school out there and you're right on the river and just natural beauty out there left and right.
So I think between Madison La Crosse and Oshkosh, it's the best of all three worlds.
That's a great answer.
Well, I mean, you had the big battles out there, right?
With the Civil War and all that kind of stuff.
What?
There's some really, really, I mean, I've never been there.
This will be the first time that I've gone and actually been able to vacation and also do a little investigating.
But from what I've seen and what I've heard from people that I know and also watching other investigators, there's just crazy amounts of activity there.
Wow.
And one of the cool things that I've seen actually kind of played out in some investigations was
They've done investigations in one area and had an interaction with some sort of entity or energy, and then went to another location down the street, across town, whatever, and had the same interaction with what seemed to be the same entity or energy, meaning that energy can move and follow you throughout that area.
So I'm really looking forward to it.
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to shut off all the electrical appliances like cell phones and other stuff too.
But I'm really looking forward to it.
In fact, we're going to be also recording a season of podcasts while we're out there actually investigating and stuff like that.
So really looking forward to the trip.
First of all, I can't say
Anything more than just being really excited that I'll be away from Jim and John for at least And the rest of you bozos I'm just gonna go have some fun, but I'm really looking forward to it
And people will say, well, there's all that death there and all that.
Certainly that's the case.
But just think of all the energy it took to fight each other and trying to save lives.
They would take old homes and turn them into makeshift hospitals and stuff like that.
And I just think the amount of energy that went into fighting a cause probably kept a lot of that energy around.
I actually heard some audio from a friend of mine.
She was just out recording and out in the middle of nowhere.
And she caught a battle cry on her audio, which when she played it for me, I'm like, what is that?
That sounds like something from an old movie.
And so we actually looked it up.
And it seemed like it was actually a battle cry.
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Rich LoCasio.
You're listening to Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.
I would like to introduce to you the pine tree mauler from Marinette, Wisconsin.
He is Pete Schwabba!
Dynamite stuff.
Hey, thanks for being here tonight, folks.
We are barreling through a Tuesday night that feels like a Thursday night with your help.
So thanks for being here and all your texts and all kinds of fun.
Did we lose Carol's texts, Conrad?
What happened to those?
Did she pull them?
Can people pull their texts?
I don't think so.
Oh,
Carol says, in answer to our question, what is your favorite Wisconsin city that you don't live in?
Carol says, Hi, Pete and Conrad.
I live in Madison now.
I went to college in Eau Claire, lived in Wasaw for a couple of years.
My aunt and uncle lived in La Crosse and love Eagle River and Rhineland or two.
Bayfield is wonderful, Door County vibe, but fewer tourists, Minnesota license plates instead of Illinois.
I'd rather go to Bayfield than Door County.
Carol unloaded on that text.
That's awesome.
Thank you, Carol.
And then Nick from Marshall says, Love Dane County, especially the Madison and San Prairie area.
Other than that, I kind of like the Oshkosh and Appleton area.
People love their state.
What are you going to do?
We also don't like to miss a text here on Nightlight.
And last night, our question was, what is your favorite game show?
And our pal, Rich Luccasio, who just intro'd me there, said, press your luck, which I barely remember.
I remember the title.
Todd, do you remember?
Press your luck.
and stop.
All right, hey, honey.
No whammies, no whammies, and stop.
you know the whole story behind that game show?
What happened with it?
No, I don't.
Well, I know we were talking about spooky stuff tonight, but a guy was sitting at home watching the show for weeks and weeks.
He was unemployed.
I can't remember the guy's name, but he figured out that the little lights went in a certain sequence.
And when it would always land on one specific square, there was always $1,000 or $3,000 in a spin.
And he figured out what that was.
He ran the entire table for an entire episode and the producers are sitting back going, oh my God, he figured this out.
I'd love just something I could monetize.
I don't care what it is.
Todd Michaels is here folks.
He's the Mino and the Mayor producer in the morning here at WGBW and WISS.
He joins us periodically to talk about fun paranormal stuff because that is his side hustle.
He is a paranormal PI.
And Todd, I, you know, I wanted, I'd like to get into Lake Monsters, but also vampires.
So I don't know, you have a theory about vampires.
I'm more interested to hear.
So why don't we start there just in case we run out of time or something?
I would love to hear your thoughts in general on vampires and then you can do as much of a deep dive as you want.
I'd love to hear your theory as to why, I think you said why they might be real or it could be.
It was just great movie making.
It was like,
Ryan Coogler is an incredible filmmaker.
The music, the costumes, it was a period piece.
And Michael B. Jordan played twins, Smoke and Stack.
I love the ties to the Chicago mob, then they go back down south with stolen mob stuff to set up a gin joint in the country.
Everything about it was just cool.
And then the vampires come in and they had to adhere to all these rules.
And I wanted to ask you about that too, the rules that vampires have to follow.
But I just thought it was great, great movie top to bottom.
You know, they, I know typically vampires don't like daylight.
depending what the movie is, sometimes they burn alive if they're out, other times they just have burns.
In this particular film, there were three people that had burns.
So they obviously were exposed to some sunlight, but that was one of them.
And then they'd steak through the heart, I think was in play, garlic, kind of the basics, but I had forgotten about the one where vampires had to be invited in and they couldn't just go in.
I'm not sure, you know, I can't sit here and say I believe in them but I do think that there's a lot of lore behind it and I'm also a firm believer that we as humans can only Imagine Bad things that are possibilities.
So that's kind of like my entry into vampires.
I've had a long time
interest in them since I was little tell you a little bit about my mom She would let us watch the spookiest vampire movies and like I was like four or five right
I've had this interest in vampires for a for a long long time and I for some reason I just I have this inkling that there may be some truth to it and maybe it's just a Romantic kind of view of what it would be like to be you know to live forever In the darkness on the dark side all that kind of stuff But there certainly are plenty of stories throughout the the ages about vampires and and and all that kind of stuff so
Pretty interesting topic for me.
Yeah,
I, you know, and that was something in centers too.
In fact, and I've said this before on the show, but if you do go see centers, you have to stay through the credits to really see the last scene.
I don't know why they did that.
It was a strange choice in my opinion, but they show you scenes of blues music.
The story kind of goes up to Chicago again, and there's blues music.
And then there's a scene and one of the vampires said that day.
talking about the final scene in the regular part of the movie before the credits, he said, that day was the best day of my life and the last time I saw the sun.
And it was just as great.
And then they walk out of the joint and it was so, you know, just stuff you forget about vampires.
Like whoever created that entire, not genre, but their existence or fantasized about it really created a really kind of a fascinating creature, I guess.
I'll tell you, even it was kind of, I think it's Anne Rice, did the Twilight or was that, no, that was Interview with the Vampire.
She did Interview, yep.
But Twilight had some cool stuff about it, I thought.
I liked how they just kind of assimilated into the high schools and they were part of the population.
Like that I found fascinating.
My guest is Todd Michaels.
He produces the Mino and the Mayor show here at WGBW and WYSS every morning.
And he joins us periodically to talk about the paranormal, because he's a paranormal investigator.
And it's always fun to talk to you about this stuff, Todd.
Of all the myths or whatever you want to call them, ghosts, vampires, werewolves, lake monsters, which we'll segue to, what do you think is most likely of those things to be real or exist?
I did.
Yeah.
I think that those are most likely to exist.
only because I've actually run into some of that kind of stuff.
So I've actually had experience with it.
I've not had experience with, uh, with lake monsters or anything like that.
And I've not, you know, knock on wood, uh, run into a vampire.
Um, so for me, it would definitely be the ghost or paranormal side when it comes to the afterlife.
Can I, I don't disagree with you not knowing a fraction of what you know about that, but I would like to add lake monsters because I feel like, and not just lake monsters, but sea creatures, like the seas are so vast, seven tenths of the earth, so deep.
I know there's stuff we haven't really explored down there.
I feel like that's where most likely, at least out of the things I just mentioned, something could be alive that we haven't discovered yet, if that makes sense.
And even some stuff that we do know that exists, like Sturgeon, right?
Those things are massively huge in some cases.
I was going over some of the information that you and I shared with each other.
And Lake Winnebago here in Oshkosh has its own monster from the past.
1889, the capture of a large sea lion.
To me, I think you're right because it's kind of like outer space.
We've gone there to a certain extent, but there's certain areas that we cannot get to.
And so we only know what we can actually experience.
So the possibilities of things in the water, in the sky are probably mind-blowing if we ever actually found out what was all there.
I don't know.
I feel like I know I've mentioned this before on the show.
I don't know if it was with you or someone else or a different guest, but speaking of underwater creatures, the Greenland shark is something I didn't even know existed until about a year and a half ago.
They live to be 500 years old.
Good Lord.
beat the hell.
This thing was like, they move like less than a mile an hour.
They live for 500 years.
There are Greenland sharks, you know, swimming very slowly that were around before George Washington was born.
That to me is an absolute phenomenon.
Using sonar to hear what the shark says.
That's right.
So there's a great, where was it?
Oh, the Lake Winnebago water monster.
Yeah.
This came out in 2020 in the Oshkosh Northwestern and explained that the Lake Winnebago creature sightings originated with stories from the Ho-Chunk people.
And apparently one was captured in 1889.
Oh, that's the one you're talking about.
I'm sorry, the
Just again, it's some sort of creature that apparently was like flipping over boats and stuff like that and bringing people under the water.
I mean, what else could that be other than just us drinking too much in Wisconsin and losing our balance in the canoe and having to come up with a story of why you fell in, you know?
I'm
I am Pete Schwabba.
We are doing Tuesday some serious justice here today, folks.
Great to have you with me.
We have a great show tomorrow night as well.
Chicago-based stand-up comedian Brian Hicks will be here in our pal Todd Alba, host of the Todd Alba show here on Civic Media.
We're going to give Todd a quiz.
We haven't figured out exactly what that quiz will be, but it's going to be a doozy, folks, so you won't want to miss that.
Right now, we have a few more minutes with our pal Todd Alba.
I'm Todd Alba.
Todd Michaels, who is here.
Todd is a paranormal investigator and the help me, Todd.
breaking
They knew what they were doing.
So anyway, Todd is the producer of Mino and the mayor.
So, all right, Todd, so before we let you go, these two Lake Monsters were cool and they're both in the Madison Lakes.
There was one in Mendota and one in Manona.
sea serpent type things.
And that I can believe they look like long
I love history.
I've never been there.
It seems ridiculous to me, but
going to take the 16 hour drive out to Pennsylvania and see what we can find.
I have to tell you something.
Being a guest on your show goes way too fast.
Being a producer in Conrad probably knows this.
You sit through those segments and you're like, when is this done?
And then when I'm on the show with you, it goes so quickly.
I couldn't even believe that the show's done already.
What the hell's going on?
I'm still going through it.
I'm looking forward to mine.
All right, now you gotta get out of here.
Thanks so much, Todd.
Have a great night.
All right, thank you to Todd Michaels.
Thank you to Rob Thomas and all your texts and calls always fun here at Night Light, folks.
We'll be back to do it all again tomorrow.
What do we, what do we, we got steady eddy texts
was I'm not I'm not with it Steady Eddie says Pete favorite city in Wisconsin The Sun Prairie of 65 years ago.
It's where I grew up looking back It was like growing up in a norm and Rockwell painting its population is much bigger now around 35,000 It's still a good place to live but unfortunately I think it has lost a lot of its small town charm I think he's right.
I think it's more like a suburb right now
It's a nice place to live, still though.
He says, I still get good vibrations when I go back to visits on prairie, but it just ain't the same.
Pete, you mentioned, Displains, Illinois, two years ago, I spent a week there one night.
Steady Eddie, getting in a little jab at Displains.
Steady Eddie hits all the big spots.
right We got to play that other one too and tomorrow night we have to we have to figure out a quiz for Todd Maybe we give we give him a Wisconsin City quiz He's lived in a lot of different places Todd was in politics.
I know he worked for Dale Schultz a Republican
congressmen or assemblymen here in Wisconsin.
And that's true too.
We could do that too.
We'll figure something out.
Vicki on the stream says great show.
Thank you, Vicki.
How did she do that Conrad?
That's kind of a cool little graphic.
Oh, that's me.
Are you?
Oh, you did.
How did you do that?
Is that like AI?
Everything's AI with you now.
I know you put a poster of a sea serpent.
It's Nessie.
Nessie looks like a stick in the water.
And
All right, so we got a lot more coming up tomorrow night, folks.
It'll be fun.
Thank you to Todd Michaels.
Thank you to Rob Thomas.
Thank you for all your texts and calls.
Another wonderful night here at Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, and I couldn't have done it without you folks.
On behalf of the lovable producer, Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night, Wisconsin.
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