Vampires & Lake Monsters (Hour 2)

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Vampires & Lake Monsters (Hour 2)

Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Tue Jun 3, 2025

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Pete Schwaba

Welcome back to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.

So great to have you with me on this Tuesday night as we start Act 2 here on the show.

So our first hour was packed with infotainment, folks.

We talked about the nine best cities in Wisconsin supposedly because they are the only nine mentioned in US

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Conrad, by the way, in case you were curious, the number one city, it only took me 12 and a half hours to scroll through this list, Johns Creek, Georgia.

How proud John must be, who probably isn't around to see the blooming of his discovered city, but it's the number one city in the entire country, which is exciting for them.

Carmel, Indiana is number two.

So I think I have a guest idea, because we have to fill in somebody tomorrow.

My friend Dave lives there, so I think we can get Dave on.

He's a great comedian, karma.

I want to see that's where David Letterman's from.

But

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either

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way, our question of the night, folks, given the inspiration of the Wisconsin city list, the top nine, what is your favorite Wisconsin city excluding the one you live in?

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We're gonna talk about lake monsters and vampires and Todd might give us a good Gettysburg ghost story, which I didn't even know those existed So we will do all that and we will get back to our our guest here Rob Thomas in just a second.

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I'm amazed that people do this

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So right now, we're going to get back to our guest, Rob Thomas.

Rob, have you ever had anyone call you and...

Or have you ever called anyone and it was the wrong number and they call you back?

I'm trying to understand what this is.

So you have a wrong number.

I called somebody.

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Correct.

I called someone and I realized it was a wrong number.

So I

hung

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up after about three or four rings.

They

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called

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me back.

Hi, I just missed a call from this number.

Like they're like soliciting phone calls, which most of us are trying to avoid at all costs.

I think I've done that occasion if it's a hang up like it But what I don't understand is if someone goes oh, I'm sorry wrong number and then you call them back like Did you feel like you had a connection with them?

That's what I don't understand.

I don't know but generally in general if you know the less phone calls I have to deal with the better correct And

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that's what I was saying like I feel like people are bored.

Hey, who is this what you need?

You know, I don't think anybody's that outgoing.

OK, right before we did the news, Rob, you were about to give us your favorite Mission Impossible film of the franchise.

And I think that was a great what they call in radio teaser.

So we would love

to hear.

Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah,

I appreciate the time to think about.

Sure.

Yeah, so I would I would definitely say the sixth movie fallout is my favorite.

Yeah, I watched that so many times.

Um, I used to watch it on the elliptical.

And then at the end of, I, you could watch, you could basically review the movie by my little EKG and like, Oh, that's, that's the car change.

I went way up here.

Oh, that's what he's in the helicopter.

That's way up there.

You know, it's like,

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you're

getting

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personal calls from Peloton.

Hey, will you crush that workout?

Are you

okay?

Are you okay?

Uh, sis here, you're 56.

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I'll have to give that

a

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rewatch.

I watched a lot of seven leading up to this.

I've watched a lot

of

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three.

Three is to me when the series really started crushing.

Like when J.J.

Abrams got involved and it was just this like non-stop movie, that's when I thought they just started escalating.

But I gotta give six another watch.

Yeah, I agree.

One is a lot of fun.

It's a different kind of movie, I think.

It's 30 years old at this point.

Who is the one I think that nobody really likes?

Clunker.

Yeah, Clunker.

And Four and Five are fantastic as well.

Four is the one where he's hanging off the building in Dubai, which is still one of the greatest stunts I've ever seen.

Pete Schwaba

It's funny, like you mentioned, when he broke his ankle, anybody who does not like Tom Cruise?

Needs to watch that because I've seen internet videos on it when he jumps.

I mean, I know he had a cable on him But he was jumping it looked like 30 feet building to building.

Yeah, and that's when he broke his ankle and he kept going in the scene I mean, that's remarkable.

I know he got out of the shot because he knew like I'm I'm not gonna do that for six months while my ankle I better get it done now.

So No, it's I mean and the one I mean this movie final reckoning him in the biplane like yeah

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That's truly insane.

I don't even know how they did it.

He must have just, how real was that?

I don't want to sound like a rube.

I mean, I've been part of movies, but I still, I don't know how they did that.

I've been watching a little bit of behind the scenes clips coming out online.

And I mean, a lot of it seems real.

I mean, I think there was a pie that they kind of digitally erased when he's out on the wing.

So it's not like he's in an out of control plane.

Right.

But they, I think they shot it for like four and a half months.

Just like little bits every day.

you know he's hanging upside it's hanging upside it

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it's unbelievable

he needs he

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needs to stop 62 yeah exactly

62 he needs to stop um

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thank

you dom all

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right so you did this great piece at citycast madison uh and it's funny because i'm talking about how much i love madison and it's been the number one city in america like seven out of the last 10 years whatever it is and you guys uh your your group there at citycast madison

did a podcast talking about the city's toxic traits, which I don't often associate with such a great town, but you guys did not hold back.

Can you tell us what the inspiration for that was and where people can find it?

Well, I think like any town you live in, you have these gripes, you know, even a seemingly perfect town like Madison that like things that bug you.

And there's something about sort of the ideal of Madison that.

Make bugs even more when things happen.

So yeah, we had a we did a podcast where we all talked about our You know the things that bug us and some are really big like You know the city's racial inequities or the housing problem and some are really little like You know Pedestrians when they come to a crossing don't press the button like the walk button.

So

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it's

like

Yeah, there's a lot of that I noticed because we also asked readers and listeners to come up with their toxic traits.

And the interactions between pedestrians, bikers and cars came up a lot.

It seemed like pedestrians not crossing the street, drivers not pulling over for emergency vehicles, which is also a real annoying thing.

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Wow, really?

Yeah, that is annoying.

I didn't realize that was an issue there.

Yeah.

And then the whole thing on the bike path where some of the...

doesn't say on your left when they pass you.

But then like, sometimes if you stay on your left, then the people you pass will like freak out because they're so shocked.

They're so caught off guard by somebody passing them.

So it's like, there's no win there.

It was a super fun project we did.

I wrote an article that sort of sums up the listener.

Grypes that we had the podcast and we could easily do another one.

I think with Madison's toxic traits

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My guest is Rob Thomas.

He is a Madison Bay film critic We're talking about an article that he wrote in city cast Madison where he is the editor newsletter editor About Madison's toxic traits.

I have to say I'm in lockstep with Katie D. I don't know her but

Her gripe was, why isn't there a train from Milwaukee to Madison?

Why is the Amtrak 30 miles from Madison?

Yeah, it's a good question.

I mean, honestly, the previous governor might have the answer to that question, why there's not high speed rail between Milwaukee and Madison.

But yeah, no, that is sort of nuts.

Yeah.

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We don't want high speed rail.

Take your federal money and get out of here.

That's

a

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policy.

Come on.

I would love to have a train between Madison and Milwaukee.

I know, it'd be so great.

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But she complained there were not enough public museums there, which I didn't realize.

I thought Madison had great museums.

I thought so too.

Yeah, that one surprised me a little bit.

I think she had another really good point, which is that Madison does not take advantage of its lakes.

A lot of the lakefront property is private, so there's very few restaurants or public parks.

I know they're going to try to redevelop.

some of the lakefront.

But I think that aside from the terrace, maybe the edge water, there's not enough places to gather on the lakefront.

Pete Schwaba

Yeah, that was interesting.

Before we let you go, Rob, you also wrote a recent piece about all these new restaurants in Madison.

Is that an anomaly or that many restaurants opening in Madison all the time?

That's insane.

You know, it was slow for a little bit at the beginning of the year, and then it just seems like every day there's a new one.

being announced and new ones opening, new one closing, and then immediately they know what restaurant's coming in to take its place.

It's just a very, you know, not a toxic trait, it's a very vibrant food scene.

Yeah, there's lots to see.

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And then the other thing I saw was that you had a donut place, you did a thing where Madison is up.

Upping It's a Donut Game, which I found funny.

I didn't realize that needed to be done, but there's a place in Atwood you like, but you also did a piece on Best Indie Venues.

There are, like, three of them in Atwood.

What is happening?

I mean, I know Atwood's a cool neighborhood, but, like, man, is everything happening in Atwood these days?

It seems like it.

On our podcast today, we were talking to the owner of this new Atwood Music Hall, which is such a cool space.

And, you know, Live Nation owns a lot of the venues in town.

But there seems to be a lot of these grassroots indie venues coming up that, like, you know, prioritize local music.

Yeah.

you know, bands that could, you know, are just starting out.

So it's really great.

It's really healthy for our music scene, I

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think.

Well, enjoy your fair city tonight, Rob.

Always fun to catch up with you, buddy, and talk movies and whatever else you guys are writing about there.

Keep up the great work, and yeah, thanks so much for your time tonight.

Yeah, thanks, Pete.

Good talk to you.

Pete Schwaba

Anytime.

All right, Rob Thomas, check out his work at City Cast Madison, or you can follow him on his sub-stack, Not That Rob Thomas.

Do you know why that is his name, Conrad?

Well, there is another Rob Thomas

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out there.

There is, and he's not nearly as cool.

He's probably a little richer, but.

Yeah, yeah.

Pete Schwaba

All right, our question of the night, you can still get in on the fun, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin city, excluding the one you live in?

We've got Sydney from Oregon says, oh, did you see that?

Are my levels good?

Yeah.

I love when listeners help out.

Thank you, Sydney, for the thing about my mic, but I think we're good now.

I hope so.

And then we've got, let's see here, I got to catch up on these.

Tyler from Wisconsin Rapids.

Tyler, never apologize.

I love your cheekiness.

That's

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what makes you

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unique is a texture.

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It's

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awesome.

He says, I'm sorry, Pete and Conrad, I wasn't thinking.

I even think that's sarcastic though.

That's how well I know Tyler now.

Conrad's mom checks in and says, Manakwa can walk anywhere

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you want to go.

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And the views are beautiful.

They absolutely are.

That is a great text, Paula, thank you.

We will read Carol's after the break.

Great stuff, Carol.

And we'll read that.

And we've got one from Bridget.

We'll get through to after a very short break here.

And then we are going to bring in our pal, Todd Michaels, for some lake monster and vampire talk here on Nightlight with Peach Wabba on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Pete Schwaba

Ladies and gentlemen, we just added Todd Alba to the show tomorrow night.

How exciting is that?

That is very exciting.

Very exciting.

What will he be on Conrad?

720?

720, yes.

Fantastic.

We're going to give Todd a quiz.

Let's just see how smart our pal Todd Alba is.

Our question of the night, folks, is what is your favorite Wisconsin city that you don't call home?

You have to take out of the equation your city and tell us your favorite Wisconsin city.

Bridget.

It says, Ashkosh, I have good childhood memories, love the old houses, the university, the history, the natural beauty, and the restaurant, Leon's.

I've been to Leon's, that's good.

They have what they call a juice burger, which is basically a sloppy joe, but it's delicious.

We will get to the rest of your texts as promised very soon, but right now I'm very excited to welcome my next guest.

He produces the mino in the mayor's show here on WGBW and WISS.

Every morning,

with, of course, John Minow and Jim Schmidt.

And he is also on the side, a paranormal investigator and a friend of Nightlight.

Todd Michaels joins us now.

Hey, buddy.

How are you, Pete?

I'm

doing very well.

Thanks.

You mentioned Leon's.

I'm literally a half block away from Leon's.

I live right there.

So, yeah, it's difficult to be this close and not be there every day.

You

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know, those juice burgers are...

They're so good, but they're so piping hot.

It takes like a day and a half before you can eat them.

They're so fresh and they're so, but oh my gosh, are they good?

Yeah, I love

that.

It's all about the turtle sundaes for me, period.

I don't need to have regular food.

I don't need burgers.

I don't need any kind of sides.

I just need a large turtle sundae.

That's that I'm done.

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That's your calorie intake for the day too.

Probably

put you over just for the week.

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Exactly.

Todd, congrats are in order.

Your city, Oshkosh, this is very exciting, was ranked out of 250 places to live.

This came out last week.

You may have already heard this, but Oshkosh came in 114th.

Not too shabby.

That's not bad.

I had this conversation with someone here.

I was doing an interview earlier today in our Oshkosh studios at WISS, and somebody just joined the Discover Oshkosh team as their marketing director, or marketing coordinator, I should say.

She grew up in Appleton and went to school at UW Oshkosh.

She left.

She was a wiener mobile driver for a while.

So we had some great conversations about that.

I wanted to learn like some of the skills you got to have to pull that off.

But she came back to Oshkosh because she loves it so much.

And I have to, I have to give a shout out to Oshkosh because it's a very underrated city.

And if you've never been, you've got to check it out.

There are events all summer long here.

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My wife.

her mother grew up there and she went to school there.

So when we started dating at the end of college, we did a long distance thing and I would go up there to visit her from Chicago.

So I spent quite a bit of time there and at that age in the bars, there was also a restaurant there.

I really liked, I don't think it's there anymore, but it was called Vitellos.

I was an Italian

joint.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

It's not there, right?

I mean, I thought, I haven't been to Oshkosh in a long

time.

But now, do you mean Vitellis or Fritellos?

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I think it's Vitellis.

Yeah, the tallies was great.

I may have gone to like a prom dinner there or something like that back in my day two, Pete.

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A little calzone before you

tear it up in the dance floor.

There's nothing better than wearing a tuxedo and a little calzone in your cummerbund, you

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know?

Is that a calzone in your cummerbund?

Are you

just happy to be in

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the dance?

Would you like to slow dance?

All right, so.

They're slow dancing and, and like eating my leftovers at the same time.

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What, uh, if you couldn't live in Oshkosh though, Todd, where would you go in our fair state?

So many,

I have to say Madison's a really cool city, but I also love La Crosse is an awesome beautiful city.

school out there and you're right on the river and just natural beauty out there left and right.

So I think between Madison La Crosse and Oshkosh, it's the best of all three worlds.

That's a great answer.

Pete Schwaba

Okay, so I want to get into Lake Monsters and Vampires, but you texted me a little bit ago saying you're going to Gettysburg.

We only have a couple minutes before break, so I'll save those other topics for after the news, but

why is

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Gettysburg haunted, Todd?

Or what have you heard?

Well, I mean, you had the big battles out there, right?

With the Civil War and all that kind of stuff.

What?

There's some really, really, I mean, I've never been there.

This will be the first time that I've gone and actually been able to vacation and also do a little investigating.

But from what I've seen and what I've heard from people that I know and also watching other investigators, there's just crazy amounts of activity there.

Wow.

And one of the cool things that I've seen actually kind of played out in some investigations was

They've done investigations in one area and had an interaction with some sort of entity or energy, and then went to another location down the street, across town, whatever, and had the same interaction with what seemed to be the same entity or energy, meaning that energy can move and follow you throughout that area.

So I'm really looking forward to it.

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So you said you're going for vacation, but are you going to do some investigating while you're there?

That's a vacation for you, right?

Absolutely.

I'm going to do that.

I'm going to shut off all the electrical appliances like cell phones and other stuff too.

But I'm really looking forward to it.

In fact, we're going to be also recording a season of podcasts while we're out there actually investigating and stuff like that.

So really looking forward to the trip.

First of all, I can't say

Anything more than just being really excited that I'll be away from Jim and John for at least And the rest of you bozos I'm just gonna go have some fun, but I'm really looking forward to it

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Well, it's a well-deserved break for you buddy that I'm excited for you our war place is common Todd to have cuz just because of all the battles and stuff I would imagine that's a hotbed of activity

I mean, I think so.

And people will say, well, there's all that death there and all that.

Certainly that's the case.

But just think of all the energy it took to fight each other and trying to save lives.

They would take old homes and turn them into makeshift hospitals and stuff like that.

And I just think the amount of energy that went into fighting a cause probably kept a lot of that energy around.

I actually heard some audio from a friend of mine.

She was just out recording and out in the middle of nowhere.

And she caught a battle cry on her audio, which when she played it for me, I'm like, what is that?

That sounds like something from an old movie.

And so we actually looked it up.

And it seemed like it was actually a battle cry.

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That is so cool.

All right.

Well, we will have more with Todd Michaels, our pal paranormal investigator after a very short break.

Don't go anywhere, folks.

We got a lot of show left.

It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Rich LoCasio.

You're listening to Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

I would like to introduce to you the pine tree mauler from Marinette, Wisconsin.

He is Pete Schwabba!

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Thank you Rich LoCasio.

Dynamite stuff.

Hey, thanks for being here tonight, folks.

We are barreling through a Tuesday night that feels like a Thursday night with your help.

So thanks for being here and all your texts and all kinds of fun.

Did we lose Carol's texts, Conrad?

What happened to those?

Did she pull them?

Can people pull their texts?

I don't think so.

Oh,

there she is.

Oh, there they are.

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Okay.

Carol says, in answer to our question, what is your favorite Wisconsin city that you don't live in?

Carol says, Hi, Pete and Conrad.

I live in Madison now.

I went to college in Eau Claire, lived in Wasaw for a couple of years.

My aunt and uncle lived in La Crosse and love Eagle River and Rhineland or two.

Bayfield is wonderful, Door County vibe, but fewer tourists, Minnesota license plates instead of Illinois.

I'd rather go to Bayfield than Door County.

Carol unloaded on that text.

That's awesome.

Thank you, Carol.

And then Nick from Marshall says, Love Dane County, especially the Madison and San Prairie area.

Other than that, I kind of like the Oshkosh and Appleton area.

People love their state.

What are you going to do?

We also don't like to miss a text here on Nightlight.

And last night, our question was, what is your favorite game show?

And our pal, Rich Luccasio, who just intro'd me there, said, press your luck, which I barely remember.

I remember the title.

Todd, do you remember?

Press your luck.

My gosh, are you kidding me?

This is, this is how much I love pressure.

Look, I got to find it, but, um, and maybe you can't even hear this, but I can try.

Okay.

Um, let's see.

Oh, can you hear that?

No whammies, no whammies

and stop.

You have that at the ready?

Well, yeah.

I'm a radio geek and I happen to like game shows.

So I got a lot of stuff.

I've got the theme for pyramid.

Whoa.

I got everything.

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That press your luck.

I don't really go here very often on this show, but that would be great music.

That would compliment an orgasm really well, I think.

Can we hear that one more time, Todd?

All right, hey, honey.

No whammies, no whammies, and stop.

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That's kind of

an

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anticlimactic ending.

It would have to be a whammy.

you know the whole story behind that game show?

What happened with it?

No, I don't.

Well, I know we were talking about spooky stuff tonight, but a guy was sitting at home watching the show for weeks and weeks.

He was unemployed.

I can't remember the guy's name, but he figured out that the little lights went in a certain sequence.

And when it would always land on one specific square, there was always $1,000 or $3,000 in a spin.

And he figured out what that was.

He ran the entire table for an entire episode and the producers are sitting back going, oh my God, he figured this out.

And they had to

cancel the show because of this one guy.

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That is spectacular.

Yeah.

I love that.

I wish I had that capability.

I wish I had any capabilities.

I

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know.

I'd love just something I could monetize.

I don't care what it is.

Todd Michaels is here folks.

He's the Mino and the Mayor producer in the morning here at WGBW and WISS.

He joins us periodically to talk about fun paranormal stuff because that is his side hustle.

He is a paranormal PI.

And Todd, I, you know, I wanted, I'd like to get into Lake Monsters, but also vampires.

So I don't know, you have a theory about vampires.

I'm more interested to hear.

So why don't we start there just in case we run out of time or something?

I would love to hear your thoughts in general on vampires and then you can do as much of a deep dive as you want.

I'd love to hear your theory as to why, I think you said why they might be real or it could be.

I think they might be.

Now, first of all, you saw Sinners, is that right?

I did, yeah.

And you liked it?

Loved it.

What was so good about it?

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Well, I mean, what was great about it was not necessarily that it was a vampire movie.

It was just great movie making.

It was like,

Ryan Coogler is an incredible filmmaker.

The music, the costumes, it was a period piece.

And Michael B. Jordan played twins, Smoke and Stack.

I love the ties to the Chicago mob, then they go back down south with stolen mob stuff to set up a gin joint in the country.

Everything about it was just cool.

And then the vampires come in and they had to adhere to all these rules.

And I wanted to ask you about that too, the rules that vampires have to follow.

But I just thought it was great, great movie top to bottom.

So what are some of the rules that they had to follow?

Do you remember?

Pete Schwaba

Yeah, the big one is they had to be invited in like to the gin joint.

You know, they, I know typically vampires don't like daylight.

depending what the movie is, sometimes they burn alive if they're out, other times they just have burns.

In this particular film, there were three people that had burns.

So they obviously were exposed to some sunlight, but that was one of them.

And then they'd steak through the heart, I think was in play, garlic, kind of the basics, but I had forgotten about the one where vampires had to be invited in and they couldn't just go in.

Yeah, I am I do like vampires Excuse me.

I'm not sure, you know, I can't sit here and say I believe in them but I do think that there's a lot of lore behind it and I'm also a firm believer that we as humans can only Imagine Bad things that are possibilities.

So that's kind of like my entry into vampires.

I've had a long time

interest in them since I was little tell you a little bit about my mom She would let us watch the spookiest vampire movies and like I was like four or five right

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stuff

stuff your mom shouldn't let you do and then I And if I know one of my sisters is watching tonight We would lay up all night scared half to death.

I didn't sleep between the ages of like seven and 15

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Because I was

certain that something was gonna come get me but

I've had this interest in vampires for a for a long long time and I for some reason I just I have this inkling that there may be some truth to it and maybe it's just a Romantic kind of view of what it would be like to be you know to live forever In the darkness on the dark side all that kind of stuff But there certainly are plenty of stories throughout the the ages about vampires and and and all that kind of stuff so

Pretty interesting topic for me.

Yeah,

Pete Schwaba

very cool.

I, you know, and that was something in centers too.

In fact, and I've said this before on the show, but if you do go see centers, you have to stay through the credits to really see the last scene.

I don't know why they did that.

It was a strange choice in my opinion, but they show you scenes of blues music.

The story kind of goes up to Chicago again, and there's blues music.

And then there's a scene and one of the vampires said that day.

talking about the final scene in the regular part of the movie before the credits, he said, that day was the best day of my life and the last time I saw the sun.

And it was just as great.

And then they walk out of the joint and it was so, you know, just stuff you forget about vampires.

Like whoever created that entire, not genre, but their existence or fantasized about it really created a really kind of a fascinating creature, I guess.

And there are certainly some over the top bad vampire movies out there.

Even interview with a vampire isn't, I think the book is good.

I'm not sure that Tom Cruise was the right choice for Lestat, but that was an interesting movie.

My favorite, Salem's Lot.

Okay,

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like the

original back with David soul from Starsky and Hutch.

Remember that right?

Wow

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That

was a made for TV like mini series But when when the when the Glick boys Become vampires and they're floating outside the window, right?

They come up to the window and they're scratching on the window.

Pete Schwaba

Oh, man.

There's nothing creepier than that right there,

Pete Schwaba

right?

That

was in Salem's lot

That was Salem's lot, yeah.

Oh, I may have to re-watch that.

Pete Schwaba

I'll tell you, even it was kind of, I think it's Anne Rice, did the Twilight or was that, no, that was Interview with the Vampire.

She did Interview, yep.

But Twilight had some cool stuff about it, I thought.

I liked how they just kind of assimilated into the high schools and they were part of the population.

Like that I found fascinating.

Twilight was the one tree hill of vampire.

You know what I'm saying?

Remember all those angst, teenage angst TV shows that were on?

That's kind of where they, I think they kind of spent off with Twilight.

Pete Schwaba

That's excellent.

My guest is Todd Michaels.

He produces the Mino and the Mayor show here at WGBW and WYSS every morning.

And he joins us periodically to talk about the paranormal, because he's a paranormal investigator.

And it's always fun to talk to you about this stuff, Todd.

Of all the myths or whatever you want to call them, ghosts, vampires, werewolves, lake monsters, which we'll segue to, what do you think is most likely of those things to be real or exist?

Well, did you throw ghosts in that mix?

I did.

Yeah.

I think that those are most likely to exist.

only because I've actually run into some of that kind of stuff.

So I've actually had experience with it.

I've not had experience with, uh, with lake monsters or anything like that.

And I've not, you know, knock on wood, uh, run into a vampire.

Um, so for me, it would definitely be the ghost or paranormal side when it comes to the afterlife.

Pete Schwaba

Can I, I don't disagree with you not knowing a fraction of what you know about that, but I would like to add lake monsters because I feel like, and not just lake monsters, but sea creatures, like the seas are so vast, seven tenths of the earth, so deep.

I know there's stuff we haven't really explored down there.

I feel like that's where most likely, at least out of the things I just mentioned, something could be alive that we haven't discovered yet, if that makes sense.

Absolutely.

And even some stuff that we do know that exists, like Sturgeon, right?

Those things are massively huge in some cases.

I was going over some of the information that you and I shared with each other.

And Lake Winnebago here in Oshkosh has its own monster from the past.

1889, the capture of a large sea lion.

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Apparently

it got out during an exotic animal tour.

To me, I think you're right because it's kind of like outer space.

We've gone there to a certain extent, but there's certain areas that we cannot get to.

And so we only know what we can actually experience.

So the possibilities of things in the water, in the sky are probably mind-blowing if we ever actually found out what was all there.

Pete Schwaba

Right.

I don't know.

I feel like I know I've mentioned this before on the show.

I don't know if it was with you or someone else or a different guest, but speaking of underwater creatures, the Greenland shark is something I didn't even know existed until about a year and a half ago.

They live to be 500 years old.

Good Lord.

Pete Schwaba

And there was a picture of one on, you know, social media somewhere and it looked.

beat the hell.

This thing was like, they move like less than a mile an hour.

They live for 500 years.

There are Greenland sharks, you know, swimming very slowly that were around before George Washington was born.

That to me is an absolute phenomenon.

I wonder what they think of where our country is now, knowing George Washington back in the day and, you know, having lived through the Civil War and all like that.

I wonder what the sharks of Greenland actually.

Pete Schwaba

I think.

That sounds like a paranormal investigation.

I think

there needs to be.

Pete Schwaba

We're not there with a microphone doing an investigation.

Using sonar to hear what the shark says.

That's right.

So there's a great, where was it?

Oh, the Lake Winnebago water monster.

Yeah.

This came out in 2020 in the Oshkosh Northwestern and explained that the Lake Winnebago creature sightings originated with stories from the Ho-Chunk people.

And apparently one was captured in 1889.

Oh, that's the one you're talking about.

I'm sorry, the

large sea line.

The large sea line, yeah.

Okay,

Pete Schwaba

so I have another one here from, is it Rocky?

No, Rocky the lake monster.

I thought there were two in, are we at a time count, right?

We got under a minute

now.

Pete Schwaba

Don't you know I'm talking about Tiger Land

Shark?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Pete Schwaba

You're thinking of Rocky and Rock Lake, right?

Rocky and Rock Lake.

That's

in

Pete Schwaba

Lake Geneva though.

What do you know about that, Todd?

Just again, it's some sort of creature that apparently was like flipping over boats and stuff like that and bringing people under the water.

I mean, what else could that be other than just us drinking too much in Wisconsin and losing our balance in the canoe and having to come up with a story of why you fell in, you know?

I'm

Pete Schwaba

not ruling that out.

All right,

we'll have a

Pete Schwaba

couple more minutes with Todd when we come back after a very short break.

Don't go anywhere by anybody.

We're going to wrap this up next.

This is Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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You're listening to Civic Media.

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Welcome back.

Pete Schwaba

This is Nightlight.

I am Pete Schwabba.

We are doing Tuesday some serious justice here today, folks.

Great to have you with me.

We have a great show tomorrow night as well.

Chicago-based stand-up comedian Brian Hicks will be here in our pal Todd Alba, host of the Todd Alba show here on Civic Media.

We're going to give Todd a quiz.

We haven't figured out exactly what that quiz will be, but it's going to be a doozy, folks, so you won't want to miss that.

Right now, we have a few more minutes with our pal Todd Alba.

I'm Todd Alba.

Todd Michaels, who is here.

Todd is a paranormal investigator and the help me, Todd.

breaking

down here.

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

Pete Schwaba

No, I'm tired.

I don't know what was going on in the hotel room next to mine last night, but

it was... They were playing Press Your Luck is what was going

Pete Schwaba

on.

But it didn't end with a want, want, want.

I'll

tell you that.

Pete Schwaba

That's right.

They knew what they were doing.

So anyway, Todd is the producer of Mino and the mayor.

So, all right, Todd, so before we let you go, these two Lake Monsters were cool and they're both in the Madison Lakes.

There was one in Mendota and one in Manona.

sea serpent type things.

And that I can believe they look like long

snakes, right?

That's believable.

I would think, I mean, there's got to be some sort of eels and stuff like that in those lakes.

I just think it's interesting that the city of Madison is smack dab in the middle of the two lakes and then they have these sea monsters on either side.

That is

Pete Schwaba

interesting.

It's interesting.

And maybe they could cry.

There's got to be some kind of tunnel in there or something.

But one of them was white with green spots.

So that might

you know, that might be sort of what you were saying, people seeing things after a few pops or something.

Right, right.

Pete Schwaba

But anyway, good stuff.

So you'll have to tell us when you come back, we would love to have you on after you get back from Gettysburg and see what you found out there.

That sounds absolutely fascinating.

I'm really excited about it.

I love history.

I've never been there.

It seems ridiculous to me, but

going to take the 16 hour drive out to Pennsylvania and see what we can find.

I have to tell you something.

Being a guest on your show goes way too fast.

Being a producer in Conrad probably knows this.

You sit through those segments and you're like, when is this done?

And then when I'm on the show with you, it goes so quickly.

I couldn't even believe that the show's done already.

Pete Schwaba

Conrad checks his watch 14 times per minute.

Just how much time do we have left here?

And here you are

Pete Schwaba

saying.

You're saying that you're enjoying yourselves.

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I'm having a great time.

Pete Schwaba

Happy about that, Todd.

Well, you're always fun, buddy.

I hope you have a great vacation and keep up the great work in the morning here with the guys.

And just have a great night.

So much fun as always.

You too.

Pete Schwaba

See you, Pete.

Thanks,

Todd.

See

Pete Schwaba

you, Conrad.

Man, the beard is coming in great again.

Did

you think

Pete Schwaba

that?

Oh, he's still on.

I'm

not saying

Pete Schwaba

anything bad about you.

I meant to mention that at the top of the show, though.

I didn't know if you were going to bring it back or not, to be honest with you.

I've just been kind of lazy and they haven't been trimming the hair or the beard, but yeah, it's, it, this is like two weeks.

Come on.

I'm serious.

Wow.

That's impressive.

You should see my

Pete Schwaba

back.

You should see my back.

Did you go

Pete Schwaba

through puberty at like seven?

What the hell's going on?

I'm still going through it.

I'm looking forward to mine.

All right, now you gotta get out of here.

Thanks so much, Todd.

Have a great night.

All right, thank you to Todd Michaels.

Thank you to Rob Thomas and all your texts and calls always fun here at Night Light, folks.

We'll be back to do it all again tomorrow.

What do we, what do we, we got steady eddy texts

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we

Pete Schwaba

gotta

get to.

Yes we do, I was just about to say.

How

Pete Schwaba

do you like that?

How dare I almost close the show before we get to a steady

eddy text.

With

Pete Schwaba

four minutes left.

Yeah, we're a little boy.

I was off before too.

I got cut

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off.

I

Pete Schwaba

was I'm not I'm not with it Steady Eddie says Pete favorite city in Wisconsin The Sun Prairie of 65 years ago.

It's where I grew up looking back It was like growing up in a norm and Rockwell painting its population is much bigger now around 35,000 It's still a good place to live but unfortunately I think it has lost a lot of its small town charm I think he's right.

I think it's more like a suburb right now

It's a nice place to live, still though.

He says, I still get good vibrations when I go back to visits on prairie, but it just ain't the same.

Pete, you mentioned, Displains, Illinois, two years ago, I spent a week there one night.

Steady Eddie, getting in a little jab at Displains.

Steady Eddie hits all the big spots.

Yeah.

I spent a week there one night.

Pete Schwaba

Yeah, I think he's saying.

Well, that would be he was bored.

No, he was saying he packed a lot of stuff into one night That typically means like you really did it upright.

Okay.

Okay.

Say like I

Pete Schwaba

spent a day there one month It's like the comic that says folks I've got I've got five minutes in material and I'm gonna pack it all into a 45 minute set.

Okay.

Pete Schwaba

Yeah, I get it nice tech study Eddie exactly Thank you for all your texts and calls as usual.

Do we have time for Dana Carvey now?

I will cut

it close.

Let's squeeze it.

Well,

Pete Schwaba

is it a minute?

I don't want to I don't want to be rushed.

Why don't

we should uh How about the second segment tomorrow?

All right in full force.

All

Pete Schwaba

right We got to play that other one too and tomorrow night we have to we have to figure out a quiz for Todd Maybe we give we give him a Wisconsin City quiz He's lived in a lot of different places Todd was in politics.

I know he worked for Dale Schultz a Republican

congressmen or assemblymen here in Wisconsin.

I mean, he's he's been all over Wisconsin too.

So there's always

Pete Schwaba

geography quiz.

And that's true too.

We could do that too.

We'll figure something out.

Vicki on the stream says great show.

Thank you, Vicki.

How did she do that Conrad?

That's kind of a cool little graphic.

Oh, that's me.

Are you?

Oh, you did.

How did you do that?

Is that like AI?

Everything's AI with you now.

I know you put a poster of a sea serpent.

It's Nessie.

Nessie looks like a stick in the water.

And

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I'm not saying

Pete Schwaba

Nessie doesn't exist, but it's basically, Nessie looks like kind of a harmless, almost friendly creature.

And you put this Jurassic Park thing.

It looks like it wants to bite you in half.

Well, did you see what I put under it?

I said, I thought he was more of a gentle creature.

Yeah,

Pete Schwaba

exactly.

All right, so we got a lot more coming up tomorrow night, folks.

It'll be fun.

Thank you to Todd Michaels.

Thank you to Rob Thomas.

Thank you for all your texts and calls.

Another wonderful night here at Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, and I couldn't have done it without you folks.

On behalf of the lovable producer, Conrad, I'm Pete Schwabba saying good night, Wisconsin.

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