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Sunday, October 4, 2026 (Hour 3)

Music of the Stars · Sun Oct 4, 2026

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Wait a minute, who said it was October?

I know we're all in the same groove.

At times slipping by, I do a show about time when the clocks flip, you know.

Are they going to

this

year?

Some say no, it's only...

It's only a thing of the past, daylight, wasting time, so go ahead and waste

some.

The music of the stars on the Civic Media Radio Network, good morning.

Got some more comments this past week and the week before about, why are you playing?

That's all for an opener.

Well, that's a nice arrangement.

It's Si Mann in the orchestra.

Guy did a lot of movie work.

Oh, we could do a guy from Milwaukee.

His name is Woody Herman, and he played, I can't get started.

Now, maybe, maybe we'll do that.

I said maybe.

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Happy October.

I like the music of Gordon Jenkins.

Nobody like him.

And it's sure to raise some thoughts about our past lives when you hear Gordon Jenkins like from Manhattan Tower.

The music of the stars.

Happy October.

From Camelot, of course, Bob Goulet had the hit with that.

Roger Whitaker, this guy had a bunch of hits

himself.

Your face with a luster That puts gold to shame But if I'd ever leave you It couldn't be in autumn How I'd leave in autumn

the snow or on a winter evening when you catch the fires glow if ever I would leave you how could it be in spring time knowing how in spring

rich bar.

If ever I would leave you How could it be in springtime?

Knowing how in spring I'm be-

Dinah

Shore.

against the sun that rises all the way.

I watch you walk away.

Somehow I have to let you go.

Now it's over.

And my feet before me Walked the silent street before me It's over If time were not a moving thing And I could make it stay this hour

Make us realize our...

Irving Berlin wrote this next one.

It's Kenny Rogers

Okay,

we lost our signal here

How about a gal from Madison named Tyne Daly?

Maybe this'll pick us

up a bit.

I'd be so happy to be doing it with you But if you've got some that must be done And it can only be done by one There is nothing more to say

See you later.

Sounds like Donald O'Connor, but it's not.

Speaking of lovely, Fred Astaire.

No, not Fred.

Well, that too, but...

Here he is at RKO.

But now you've given me my after-dinner story I'll just describe you as you are in all your glory You were never lovelier You were never so fair Dreams were never lovelier

Harden me if I stare Down the sky the moonbeams fly To light your face I can only say they chose The proper place You were never lovelier And to coin a new phrase I

was never luckier in my pomeous days make a note and you can quote me on earth right you were never lovelier than you are

in my pommiest days.

Make a note and you can quote me, honor bright.

You were never lovelier than you are

tonight.

I'll just tell you what's in my heart Life is beautiful in every way Life is lovely as a spring bouquet

Since I fell in love with you Life is like a tree

all the clouds of gray life is beautiful and fine but darling

Fred Astaire wrote that.

Yeah, Fred wrote

a lot of music.

The year is 1947.

That's Doris with Vaughn Monroe's Orchestra.

Here's Vaughn himself, the kid from Cuddehy.

Dad ran the Cuddehy public

schools.

Just hold me so Life can be summertime

And guess I always knew that life could be beautiful, beautiful with you.

I'd like to sing a song that Steve Nelson I wrote.

It's for my wife.

She's not listening this morning because...

She's

not

listening.

It's the fifth time you've asked me to listen.

I'll put a stack of chips that you've been losing to me so I'd stay and listen to that kid.

You're

out of your mind, listen.

Young Paramount's musical director and a conductor of renown for 20 years wrote a song some time ago, which Eddie Duchin and I would like to transcribe for you tonight, begging your indulgence.

Are

you ready, Edward?

Beautiful love.

Fighting for life.

Victory young rule 10.

Stephen

E.D.

What's a Stephen 80 doing rock and roll?

Who's Don Costa's orchestra?

Here's Susan Hayward, but not really tell you about it.

A movie with a song in my heart.

my joy and delight.

It's a new.

Doris Day.

such as

That's from Hollywood.

The story of Jane Froman, and that's taken from the music of Harry James.

That was Harry goofing it up on the Trumpet on purpose from the movie, Young Man with a Horn, and Kirk Douglas playing, well, go see the movie.

Oh, if you can't, let's check it out on YouTube.

Great picture, Young Man with a Horn, the story of Big Spider Beck of Davenport, Iowa, and Kirk Douglas.

You wound up smashing a really nice horn there.

Kind of a sad story when you see that.

Like, you ever see an old car smashed in the movies?

I get the same thing, eh?

And Susan Hayward really sung by Peg LeCentra.

Susan couldn't sing like that.

The story of Jane Froman.

Whatever happened to her, anyway.

presents the Jane Froman show created by Irving Mansfield produced and directed by Byron Paul.

who distinguished artists, ladies and gentlemen.

First, a bell who, in my book, very few girls hold a candle to.

Miss Kim Novak.

And, of course, the gentleman who is indicative in our business of capital gains.

Surely a great champ, Mr. James Cagney, ladies and gentlemen.

Miss Susan Hayworth, for I want to live.

Give her a car for separate tables.

Miss Shirley McLean, for some came running.

Next, Rosalind Russell for

Auntie Mame.

And Miss Elizabeth Taylor for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

All right.

Here she is.

The lucky lovely, Susan Hayworth.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

And thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the Academy, for making me so very, very happy tonight.

And my special thanks to Mr. Walter Wanger, who made this possible.

I thank

you.

that you need a friend.

Harrigan.

That's me.

I am just as proud of me name you see as an Emperor Zara King could be.

Who is the man?

Helps a man every time he can.

Harrigan.

That's me.

H. A. W. R. I. G. A. N. spells Harrigan.

Proud of all the Irish blood that's in me.

Give it a man can say a word again me.

That's me.

H-A-R-I-G-A-N spells harrigan.

Proud of all the Irish blood that's in me.

Diva the man can say a word again me.

H-A-R-I-G-A-N-U-C is a name that ashamed never has been connected with harrigan.

That's me.

I think Jimmy is a great singer, and he didn't intend to be an actor.

Jimmy was a dancer.

He was a hooper.

So what am I doing in the movies?

A lot, that's what, and rightfully so.

That's, well, here, George M. Cohen.

Music of the Stars.

Who is the man who will spend or will even land?

Out again.

That's me.

is your friend when you find that you need a friend.

Harrigan, that's me.

For I'm just as proud of my name, you see, as the numbers are a gate could be.

Who is the man helps a man?

He's a name that ashamed never has been connected with.

That's me.

The ladies and babies are fond of me.

I'm fond of them too in return, you see.

Who is the gent that's deserving a monument?

Aragon.

That's me.

H-A-N-R-I-G-A-N spells Aragon.

I'm proud of all the Irish blood that's in me.

can say a word against me.

H-A-N-A-R-I-G-A-N-U-C is a name that shame never has been connected.

Stand by for news now on NBC.

The music of the stars, Jimmy Cagney.

As George M. Cohen.

Ronald High Noon, Central Time.

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Now in the hoted month.

Mr. Aaron Schwatt.

Okay, that's a stage name.

It's Red Buttons.

The Kid from Evanston.

a teacher who flunked me in history.

She asked who shot Lincoln.

I answered, don't blame me.

Ho, ho.

Hee, hee.

Ha, ha.

Strange things are happening.

Someone who's sweet 16.

Now I'm so embarrassed.

Her ears are turning green.

Ho, ho!

Hee, hee!

Ha, ha!

Strange things are happening.

Strange things.

I went to the movies and witnessed the strangest things.

One kid thought a TV and tried to dial the screen.

Strange things, strange things.

Since girls wear those blue jeans, my troubles just never cease.

What looks like my nephew.

Turns out to be my niece.

Ho-ho!

Hee-hee!

Ha-ha!

Strange things are happening.

Strange things.

Ah, this is Rocky Buttons, and I want to tell you the strangest things happen to me.

is how this holiday came about.

When it all started, why it exists, well,

we're about to tell you.

It ain't no fairy tale,

but it's

grim.

Once

upon a time, if Malone long ago, man's courage was high, but his spirit was low.

People grew tired of all work and no play.

They felt the need.

of a jolly holiday.

Then along came Christmas, along came Easter, along came 4th of July.

Then along came a man by the name of Berlin, who took every holiday that ever has

been.

He wrote about Christmas.

He wrote about Easter.

He wrote about the 4th of July.

His mind was fertile and his pen was keen.

But he never wrote a word about...

We'll now go

Betty Grebel and Dan Daly from Mother War Tights.

The music of the star.

This is from Dumbo.

And look at microscopic germs, but technicolor pachyderms is really too much for me.

I am not the type to faint when things are odd or things are quaint, but seeing things you know that ain't can certainly give you an awful fright.

What a sight!

Chase them away!

I'm afraid.

Need your aid.

Pink elephants aren't parade.

Pink elephants.

And suddenly something in your eyes I see soon begins bewitching me.

It's that old devil moon that you stole from the sky.

and with the great arrangements of Nelson Riddle.

Great book on Nelson Riddle.

A biography.

Not an autobiography, but what a guy.

I'm a big fan of anything Nelson Riddle ever arranged.

And here's Earther Kitt.

On the Music of the Star.

They say that I'm a witch.

And that I weave a spell.

Well, I'll use my eyes to invite you, my lips to delight you, and all the charms of the feminine wives to cite you.

They say that I'm a witch, and that I weaver spell.

Well, I'll be a son of a, and I wonder, well, let me tell you, brother, I'd rather be burned as a witch, than never be burned at all.

I'll use my songs to entice you with verses of Izeo.

I'd like to take this girl home to mama.

That's a nice car, though.

Cruella de Vil.

That's it.

Like a spider waiting for...

At first you think Cruella is a devil, but after time has worn away the shock.

You come to realize you've seen her kind of eyes, watching you from underneath a rock.

This vampire bat, this inhuman beast, she ought to be locked up and never released.

was such a wholesome place until...

Be my all hurry hurry darling love me

Be my all, hurry, hurry, darling, love me.

Soon the night will fall.

Be mine, dear, and you will discover that night is for

Music of the stars, some of those nursery rhymes have dark oranges.

Fun to look

up.

Kenosha's harbor has turned to dark gray as autumn quietly carries the summer away.

Oh, the winds of October come whispering through

bringing memories of summer and dreams that we knew from Green Bay

from lacrosse to the shore

the

winds of

october are calling once more in richland and rapids the rivers run cold past autumn forests of crimson and gold no clear the evenings come early and the star shine is bright on the hills around hurley

Appleton streets where a blanket of leaves All walls all green hills lose their summertime sleep And way down in Jamesville the night settles in With a cool autumn wind,

beginning again All the winds

of October

come whispering through

Bringing memories of summer

The dreams that we knew From Green Bay to Madison From the cross to the shore

The winds of October Are calling once more A Long Lake Michigan The gulls disappear The sound of the surf says that winter is near

From Door County shoreline to Superior's Blue The winds carry autumn Wherever they

move In Oshkosh the sunset burns amber and red While autumn leaves dance where summer once spread And fondle like shivers beneath the moon's light Wisconsin's old towns glow

Through Kenosha's downtown, the cold breezes blow.

Milwaukee's lights glisten in a soft autumn glow.

And somewhere radio plays through the night.

A song from last summer and sounding so right.

Yes, the winds

of October.

Taking the summer But leaving what's true

From Madison Eastwood To Lake Michigan's shore

The winds of October Are calling once more So let the leaves wander

for

summer has left us

but stays in the heart

the winds of october are rising once more

and singing a song

that

lonely old

song

The Music of the Star, Dmitry T. Omkin, and Barbara Streisandl.

Let me fly

October goes The snow begins to fly Above the smoky roofs I watch the planes go by The children

you

Monica Mancini, Johnny Mercer.

The music of the stars.

And here's Les Brown, the band of renowned.

Julie

London.

I'm in the mood for this October.

and end in summer man.

And that's why in the mood for this October, I plan to love him all I can.

What is more exciting than the crisp, brisk weather in the fall?

It's especially delighting when you got a guy so handsome and so tall.

And that's why I'm in the mood for this October.

I found an Indian summer man.

You can talk about Maytime and the spring romance, but even the snow with white December.

And that

Julie

London was on her knees now praying on her knees in front of the kitchen stove I don't know what else to do for my son.

She whispered

But the doctors don't seem to know either.

It's a miracle he needs, Francis beseeched.

So now I'm asking, Lord, make me a miracle for him.

The son in need of a miracle was Walter, age 15, a hard-working dishwasher, sometimes busboy at a local restaurant.

His problem had started insidiously enough in an infected hangnail, but the infection had spread.

Pretty soon Walter was asking, Ma, you think I have to see the doctor?

Francis took a look at the red swollen finger and promptly declared that indeed he did.

By the time Walter could get an appointment, the infection had spread even further.

The family practitioner, obviously concerned, consulted a colleague.

They consulted a surgeon.

The finger was gangrenous, all agreed.

And so advanced was this condition that the only solution was amputation.

Francis was horror struck.

Surely the doctors had made a mistake, she protested.

It was just an infection after all.

Didn't they have some medicine to fix it?

But the surgeon assured Francis that the gangrene had progressed to such an extent that they would be lucky to save her son's arm.

The sooner the operation was performed, he said, the better.

Francis said she understood and thanked the doctors.

And she took Walter home.

And later she asked him,

Dear, do you trust me?

And Walter nodded.

Do you believe God can heal you?

She asked.

Her sense said, of course, he did.

And so quietly, almost solemnly, Francis put the clothing boiler on the gas range, filled it with fresh water, struck a match to ignite the burner, and then sank to her knees right there on the kitchen floor.

And you know the prayer that she prayed for a miracle for Walter.

She had just said, amen, as the water came to a rolling boil.

Francis beckoned the boy, took his arm, and plunged the arm into the boiling water up to the shoulder.

Walter screamed.

It'll be all right, Francis said, as calmly as she could.

She then withdrew her son's arm from the clothing boiler, applied a poultice of milk and white laundry soap, and wrapped the arm in wax paper.

Your grandmother once told me about this.

She said it's something they used to do in the old days.

Francis reapplied the poultice every half hour for the next four days and nights and on the fifth day, what do you know?

Discharge began seeping from Walter's infected hand.

Weeks would pass before the teenager could return to his restaurant job.

But the infection was gone and his hand was completely well.

Well enough subsequently to win a scholarship.

to the Wisconsin College of Music.

For there had been even more at stake, even more incentive than you may have imagined for Walter to keep all of his fingers.

But now, whenever you remember the delight he brought to millions, I hope you'll recall also a mother kneeling before the blue flame of a gas range, praying that her son might go on to fulfill his destiny.

Of course you know Walter by his last name alone.

Liberace.

Only now you know the rest of the story.

Music of the Stars, standby for news.

On NBC, and this is Fred Wehring.

Wasn't so bad till I kissed you Now I can't resist you

Of April when winter is through It wasn't so bad till I kissed you Now I can't resist you I know that I'll stay spellbound Love'll keep

Now stand by for news, Mel Tormé, Mick LasRosha, Mac David wrote that 1948 Oscar winner.

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And back we are the music of the stars for the season.

Halloween.

Walt Disney, picking up on an old legend.

1948, Bing Crosby.

What better choice for a horror movie?

Oh, Bing Crosby played a serial killer.

I'm serious.

In the picture...

Dr. Cook's garden, made for TV about old 1970 or so.

But here he is being himself, having fun with the legend of Sleepy Hollow.

The music of the

stars.

potent believer in spooks and goblins than Ichabod Crane.

Just gather round, and I'll elucidate on what goes on outside when it gets late.

Long about midnight, the ghosts and banshees, they get together for their nightly jamborees.

There's things with horns and sorcerers, somewhat fang.

It's about this size.

Some are fat and some are thin.

And some don't even wear their skin.

Oh, I'm telling you, brother, it's a frightful sight.

See what goes on Halloween

nights.

Look and groan and hit the road from far to north

Beware, take care, he rides along

And there's no spool like Spookett's bird They don't

like him and he's really

burnt He swears to the longest day he's dead He'll show them that

he can

get ahead

They say he's the part of his flamin' top He's got a yen to make the swap So he rides

It's one night each year to

find a

hen in the

hollow here.

Now he likes them little, he likes them big.

Are in the middle or awake?

Black

or white or even red?

The headless horseman needs a head with a hip, hip, and a crimp, and a clump.

He's out looking for a cap challenge.

And don't stop and make it out of...

And here's K-Star.

Just to see what goes on in the night.

When the Spooks have a midnight jamboree, they break it up with a fiendish cleat.

Goals are bad, but the one that's cursed is the headless horseman.

He's the worst.

When he goes jogging across the land, oh, it is not.

Well, there's no rate like a spoof that's burned.

The ghost don't like a man,

he's really

burned.

He swears to the longest day he's dead.

Well, I'll show them that I can get a

head.

So close all the window.

Lock all the doors.

Unless you're careful,

he'll get you.

Don't think he'll hesitate a bit, cause you flip your top.

He likes some little, he likes some big On him in the middle or where away Black or white or even red The headless horseman

Change your ways, you'll find a pace.

Cause you can't be a haint if you ain't kinda crazed, I guess you'd say.

Take our word, we know what we're talking about.

You know, this is a pretty spooky thing we're doing here.

You don't mind if I turn on another light, do ya?

Hmm?

I'm gonna gonna go on a pony ride My daddy done give me a dime I'm gonna gonna buy me some cracker jacks I'm gonna gonna share them with you I'm gonna gonna buy me some cracker jacks And maybe a hot dog or two I'll say giddy up giddy up giddy Up pony boy riding up and down Say giddy

Giddy up, giddy up, giddy up Pony all around the town I'm gonna, gonna go on a pony ride I'm gonna, gonna

think I'm out

west I'm gonna, gonna go on a pony ride Cause I love the

ponies the best Everyone's waiting tomorrow's the day The carnival's coming at last

Send all kinds of rides and fun when you look in the big-looking glass.

What's the matter now, son?

It's again the ferris wheel, the airplane rides.

Why have you got such a long face?

I'm trying to do the best I can.

Where do you want to go now?

You like that, don't you?

I'll tell you what we'll do.

I'll get you another hot dog that really ought to get you sick, and maybe I'll let you go on a pony ride once more.

I met that spook just a year ago.

Now I didn't stop for a second look.

The name for the bridge that spans the brook.

But once you cross that bridge, my friend.

So when you're riding home tonight, make

for the bridge

with all your might.

He'll

be down.

So don't try to pay, girl.

Joe Stafford on the music of the star.

haunting tune that's earned the title of our tune of the day from the new Broadway show inside USA and is entitled Haunted Heart.

I set dinner on the dining room sideboard at six.

You can serve yourselves.

Breakfast is ready at nine.

I don't wait on people.

I don't stay after dinner, not after it begins to get dark.

I leave before dark comes.

We live in town, nine miles, so there won't be anyone around if you need help.

We couldn't even hear you in the night.

Why would we?

No one could.

No one lives any nearer than town.

No one will come any nearer than that in the night.

that refuse to die.

I can't get

away

from a vision that brings intimate glimpses of intimate things.

A voice in my heart like a tart singer sings.

I wonder who's kissing her now.

The house is haunted by the echo of your favorite song.

Cluttered up with roses that have lived too long, much too long.

The ceiling is quiet, but the shadows are black.

A ghost in my heart says she'll never come back.

The house is haunted by the echo of your last goodbye.

That was Glenn Gray in the Cosaloma Band.

Francis Albert Sinatra.

1959.

I'm stuck

Just for a tender kiss or a two You might discover that I'm the lover meant for you And I'd be true But what's the good...

of scheming

Good Washington wrote that.

Victory young.

Here's Marty

Robbins.

He rested as he went along his way.

When all it once a mighty bunch of red-eyed cows he saw, flowering through the ragged sky.

were still on fire and their blows were made of steel.

Their horns were black and shiny and their heart breath he could feel.

A bolt of fear went through him as they thundered through the sky.

He saw the riders coming home.

Their faces gone, their eyes were blurred, their shirts all soaked with sweat.

They're riding hard to catch that hurt, but they ain't caught them yet.

Cause you gotta ride forever on that range up in the sky, on horses snorting by.

If you want to save your soul from ever riding on our reins Then cowboy change your way today or with it you will ride Trying to catch the devil's hurt Across the endless sky

Finally a major

chord.

This song, it don't matter, partner.

Go ahead, sing.

Their faces got their eyes where blurred, their shirts all wet with sweat.

Don't be half-saved, Polish Brian.

They're riding hard to catch the hurt, but they ain't caught them yet.

Horses snarting fire.

Is that possible?

How would I know?

As they ride on here, they're caught.

This is a cowboy.

Now gather round while I elucidate on what happens outside when it gets late.

Along about midnight, the ghosts and banshees get together for their nightly jamborees.

There's ghosts with horns and saucer eyes, and some with fangs about this size, some short and fat, some tall and thin, and some don't even bother to wear their skin.

I'm telling you, brother, it's a frightful sight to see what goes on in the night.

For when the stokes have a midnight,

Wake it up with fiendish glee.

Ghosts are bad, but the one that's cursed is the headless horseman.

He's the worst.

When he goes a jargon, cross the land, hold in his noggin in his hand.

Demons take one look and groan and hit the road.

Four parts are known, and there's no wrack like a spoke that's burned.

They don't like him, and he's really burned.

Swear to the longest day he's dead.

He'd show them that he can get ahead.

Unless you're careful, he'll get yours.

Don't think he'll hesitate a bit, cause he'll flip your top if it'll fit.

And he'd like some little, like some big, part in the middle, or a wig.

Black or white, or even red.

The headless horseman needs a head with a hip, hip, and a clip at a clock.

He's out looking for a head to chop, so don't stop to figure out a plan.

You can't reason.

With a headless man.

That's Thurl Raven's Crypt.

The music of the stars.

How about a Halloween party?

So equal.

They called us mad, did they?

Yes.

They did?

Well, never mind.

We'll show them with our new monster

mash.

Mash good.

Yes, you

go.

The waves are more bold on Lake Michigan shore.

And summer soft footsteps aren't here anymore.

Down in racing, those waves roll high.

Beneath an early November dark sky.

And Kenosha's harbor has turned to dark gray.

Come whisper in through, bringing memories of summer and dreams that we knew.

From Green Bay to Madison, from La Crosse to the shore, the winds of October.

The rivers run cold past autumn forests of crimson and gold in Eau Claire.

The evenings come early and the stars shine as bright on the hills around Hurley.

Appleton streets wear a blanket of leaves while Warsaw's green hills lose their summertime sleeves.

The way down in Jamesville the night settles in.

The dreams that we knew From Green Bay to Madison From the cross to the shore The winds of our...

The sound of the surf says that winter is near From Door County shoreline to Superior's Blue The winds carry autumn wherever they move

In Oshkosh the sunset burns amber and red While autumn leaves dance where summer once spread And fondulak shivers beneath the moon's light Wisconsin's old

Through Kenosha's downtown Cold breezes blow Milwaukee's lights glisten in a soft autumn glow And somewhere a radio plays through the night A song from last summer

And sounding so right Yes, the winds of October Come whispering through Taking the summer

But leaving what's true From

Madison Eastwood To Lake Michigan's shore The winds of October Are

calling once more

So let the leaves

wander Let the cold breezes start The summer has left

Rising once more and singing a song

That

lonely old song of that old-

The Music of the Stars.

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Yeah.

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A national anthem of swing.

That was Glenn.

This is Glenn.

Miller that is.

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We're going to wait on the actives, inactives today.

Mckaybeckton is staying on the practice squad, so they didn't elevate him yesterday.

So we're looking on Zitler or Lake and Tomlinson, one of them to be active, maybe both.

and to see if they jump right in.

It's an extraordinary concept because neither one was on a squad, right?

So they've been in camp and in uniform for three days-ish and then trying to pick up a system and then physically be ready to play in an NFL game in 91-92 degree temperatures without having had a camp.

It shows.

where the Packers were from a desperation standpoint of what they're what they are on the offensive line to what they have to be if they're going to compete.

you.

Kevin Zitler played high school football at Wisconsin Lutheran played college football at the University of Wisconsin and you're right.

It has to be modest and realistic expectations because there was a reason these guys were available plus the conditioning that you pointed out.

Zitler is 36 year old.

He is his 15th NFL season does have 213 career starts.

We will hear from Lake and Tomlinson later this hour.

about the loss of Jaden Reed for the season with neck surgery.

He's, I think, an underrated part of the Packers offense.

Absolutely, man.

He's our guy that works the middle of the field with Tucker Kraft.

He's our guy that we can...

Give the ball to in a handoff click screen passes like he's an explosive player.

And this is another player that we were dependent on this season in our offense, man.

You talk about the loss of Josh Jacobs.

Now you're talking about the loss of Jaden Reed.

And we already know the struggles of the offensive line.

And he's one of those guys that we can get the ball into his hands right now.

And he can turn a three yard catch into a 15 yard catch and a 10 yard catch into a 30 yard catch.

So he's going to be missed, man.

and I think we're going to have to probably, you know, I know a certain names out there like Tyree Keele and things like that, but we possibly might have to explore some of those options as well to get another playmaker on this offense, especially with the lack of a run game.

Reed is a real leader, too, in the locker room with his great attitude that he have.

Uh, Mike, Micah Parsons not practicing yet, not a setback, just not ready.

One national report says he won't practice this coming week either and might not play until November.

and I'm just going to voice the concern by the time he gets back, where are the Packers at that time?

Yeah, because the buy week is after 10 games.

So if you don't play, that's the weekend of November 22nd is the buy.

So if you're going to get them back, November has a game at New England and a home game against the Vikings and then you get the buy.

So I don't know.

Maybe you'd have him back by the 15th, nine games into the season.

And then when he comes back, he plays a game at home and then has a bye week to allow for a little bit more heal up time after a game.

We were expecting extraordinary.

And maybe, you know, we've gotten used to that with certain outstanding high end ridiculous players that their recovery is quicker.

But

I mean, this injury happened in December.

It's a significant injury.

And yeah, to your point, Dennis, can Green Bay still be viable if Micah Parsons doesn't come back until the middle of November?

And that's a great question.

It probably has less to do with defense than it does with their offense.

One game going on in London.

Half time, the Colts lead the commanders 10 to 6, both teams 1 and 2.

Former Badger Jonathan Taylor with a five yard rushing touchdown in that one.

We'll have the inactives later in the program, but as far as injury report, we know that Aaron Banks is out.

is out.

Warren Brinson on Saturday was placed on injured reserve.

So the questionable that we're looking at is Jager Burton, the rookie guard who was limited in practice Friday with a grain groin injury.

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Also their first round draft pick outside

a Jalen Daniels undrafted rookie free agent out of Kansas.

And I'm just going to say what I'm sure some Packers fans are thinking.

If you can't beat a rookie quarterback who wasn't drafted, you got real problems.

Oh,

Dennis, I don't even

want to think about that.

I don't I don't even want to think about that because I love Coach LaFleur.

I love how he's building this team and I understand the injuries happen and all that.

But I truly believe in it.

If you drop to the Falcons, the way we lost to the Falcons, and you lose to a 0-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers team without their quarterback and you do not play well, I don't know how the questions don't arise.

Is Matt our guy and all that type of stuff to get us to the Super Bowl and get us to that game?

I don't know.

So I don't even want to think about that because I love what he's doing right now and I love the type of coach and person he is, man, but we got to find a way to win.

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the first time since 2014 they do have a new offensive coordinator in Zach Robinson.

Who was with Atlanta before that worked on Sean McVeigh staff with the Rams where seemingly everyone comes from.

James one thing you look at Tampa Bay and I.

I don't know how they're 0 and 3.

There's some talent.

I know Mike Evans is no longer with them, but there's some talent on that team.

No, you're right Dennis and they and they're not playing bad football.

I mean, this is one of those teams to where you can look at teams and say, OK, you're 0 and 3 for a reason.

You know, I mean, you're just not a good football team and sometimes you like OK.

This is a good, it sounds crazy, but this is a good 0-3 team.

You know, they've been in games, they've been in games in the fourth quarter, they play some good football, mistake here and there has lost them the ball game, but this is definitely, well, we can't overlook no team anyway the way we plan, but this is definitely a team that you want to come out and you want to step on them early, make it hard on the young quarterback and try to make it look nasty early because you can't give them any confidence because they are a good 0-3 football team.

to play the run very well.

Todd Bowles, a defensive specialist, might be fighting for his job, Mike, and Vita Vaya, the big defensive tackle, had what they call a hold in where he was at camp and not practicing until they signed him to a one year extension worth $30 million.

So they pay him a lot to plug the middle.

They've lost three one score games Cincinnati, Cleveland and the Vikings, of which they played to a one score game a week ago.

So yeah, to that point.

in Tampa.

They can play a little bit and to that point, yes, Todd Bowles is very much on a hot seat in Tampa.

We're talking about that as it relates to some thoughts in Green Bay.

If they don't do better on the win loss number, but Todd Bowles is certainly in that position in Tampa and his defense has always been good, and I think it'll be interesting today.

Dennis will probably get to it later.

How Jonathan Gannon approaches

that's on the opposite side.

With a look back at that last Packers game, the loss to Atlanta.

Here's Bill Schmidt.

The

Packers look to make it a record 13 consecutive home opening wins against Atlanta last Thursday night.

Matt LaFleur looked to remain unbeaten in home openers at Lambeau Field, and the beginning, well, it couldn't have started much better.

Returning quarterback for the Falcons, Michael Pinnick Jr.

Four plays in, found X marks the spot.

Snap to Pinnick's in the pocket

waiting, looking close late over the middle, intercepted.

Take your McKinney, that's a 45 yard line, down he goes.

Green bag, take away.

And the Packers take over first in 10, 45-yard line of Green Bay.

The Packers were unable to capitalize on the early takeaway, going three and out.

But after an Atlanta punt, the Christian Watson end zone tour continued in 2026.

Play action, love, bootlegging, right throws.

Christian Watson in a land ball lead to the North End zone.

They beat the Good Safety Jesse Bates.

And the Packers lead at 6-0, 5-13 to go in the

first.

Four plays later, Green Bay looked poised to get the football back, but a roughing the passer penalty on Brenton Cox negated a stop.

The next play, Bijan Robinson ran 55 yards to the Green Bay five.

Two plays later made it 7-7.

Atlanta got the game's next points on a 44-yard Nick Polk field goal with four and a half minutes to go.

Then Matthew Golden drew a pass interference, setting up a 47-yard attempt by Trace Mack.

It was blocked, and it

Atlanta with over three minutes to go in the first half.

Smell blood in the water.

Drove down to the Green Bay five and Michael Pennick Jr.

hit Austin Hooper for a five-yard touchdown, making it 17-7 at the break.

But the Packers would get the ball to start the second half and get a drive going.

Take it all the way down to the Atlanta seven-yard line for a fourth and one.

Fourth down, a little bit less than a yard to go here for the Packers.

Football at the seven-yard line of Atlanta.

Single back offense, Brooks the long setback, Love under center, waiting for the snap, and he takes.

takes the handoff, bootlegs right, does Jordan Love throws, end zone incomplete.

Watson in the end zone, pretty well covered, pass sailed over his head, incomplete and the Boo Birds are out at Lampo Field.

The

Falcons would take over and take control.

Ten plays in 92 yards later, Bryan Robinson scored a seven yard touchdown on a third and one with 3-38 to go in the third quarter.

Atlanta made it 27-7 with another folk field goal, this one from 31 yards away with just under 11 minutes.

to go.

That's when the Packers offense tried to fight to get back into the game and finally got number zero his first score at Lamb Ophi.

Snapped 11 the shotgun takes the snap.

Drills the middle for Golden.

Touchdown!

A beautiful catch by Matthew Golden.

A hands pitch right out in front of Mike Hughes and the Packers on the board.

in the first half of the season.

16 yards touchdown past

Atlanta quickly quelled the momentum with another touchdown drive.

Bijan Robinson's second score of the night and then a two point conversion to rub a little salt in the wound and make it a clean 35 14 win for Atlanta in the Packers home opener and move Green Bay to one and two on the young 2026 season.

Dennis back to you.

Thank you, Bill.

And you think about down 10 in the fourth quarter to the jets.

The Packers very close to being own three.

That was the worst home loss in the

You know, I wanted to ask you, James, specifically about, we heard in that report about the Boo Birds out and Tucker Kraft said in the locker room, quote, pretty disappointing.

It's not going to help us win.

As a player, what was your philosophy about being booed by the home fans?

Well, for me, I'm always a realist.

I don't mind stuff like that when I know I'm not playing well or I know I'm not getting the job done.

To be honest with you Dennis, I always wasn't realistic.

Not only that, I know the type of fans that we have and the Packers fans we have, they don't necessarily boo a lot.

You know what I'm saying?

And when you're putting product out there like that on the football field and you're losing against an 0-2 team at home and we're supposed to have Super Bowl aspirations, you know what I mean?

You can't blame the fans.

So I was never

I don't want to say Tucker Kraft was sensitive, but I was never worried about anything like that because if you're booing, you're booing for a reason.

And we got to do better at putting the product on the field to give them something to be excited about.

Mike, when you look at it offensively, Jordan Love, whatever you think of him, he had to pass 53 times.

I mean, that's not going to work.

in the first half nine times for the game and one of those times was a scramble.

So a total of 17 rushing yards so they couldn't run it.

They couldn't stop the run.

You're not going to win.

It was the worst Lambo field home game that I can remember in a very long time.

And if I go back to Tucker Kraft for just a minute, Dennis, I think for anybody that's been in a locker room, he's one of our favorite interviews.

He's very frank.

He's well spoken.

He says what's on his mind, but he does it typically in a really intelligent way.

And I thought that those were misdirected, but I thought it was, you know, it's the locker room 15 minutes after the game.

I think he was disappointed in himself on consecutive drops.

And I think that his reaction to the fans, I would still go back to Tucker Kraft as one of my favorite Packers, not only to play, but also to interview.

And I think that he

and I didn't have a problem with the booing.

I thought it was warranted.

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The Colts now up in the third quarter 17-6 on the Commanders.

and because Marcus Mariota got hurt in that game, Washington is playing a third string quarterback.

Well, as we talked about, the Packers have signed some veteran offensive linemen try to shore up that area.

Kevin Zettler, one of them, Lakin Tomlinson is another.

He was on the Cowboys practice squad, 34 years old with 162 career starts, and in the Packers locker room the other day for Spectrum News 1, here's my interview with new Packers guard Lakin Tomlinson.

Welcome to Green Bay.

What appealed to you about this situation?

I mean, you know, everything has ended up working out.

You know, I've been training all off season, waiting for that call.

And you know, I'm just so excited to be here.

Obviously, you know, the familiarity with this game and working with some of the guys here that I know over the years and it's awesome.

you bring some experience here obviously this has been a young offensive line that has struggled what did management talk to you about about bringing to the Packers

I mean I mean obviously you know I play a lot of ball so it's just something I do I like talking to the guys I like talking to the young players you know just being available for them to pick my brain you know

I have a lot of reps.

So the more I can talk to them, the more I can be around them, share that experience.

I think it's going to help the group a lot.

And I feel like that's what I can bring to the group.

I can obviously, I want to bring physicality.

I want to come in, bring stability, a lot of experience.

But I want to also be like a corner for the guys for whatever they need.

When you were a younger player, what piece of advice do you wish someone had said to you?

I mean, honestly,

I had some really good vets, some really good vets.

I'd say Megatron.

Megatron was one of the first guys who took me under his wing and just being a pro, taking care of my business, studying, getting into the routine.

Being a pro, man, and having guys like him, I had many Ramirez at the time as well, a nine-year veteran, guys that I just like hung around.

You know, I saw those guys got to, you know, year nine, year 11, and, you know, I see myself, I saw myself at the time, that kind of player, and I wanted to do everything I could to get to that.

How quickly do you

think you can be ready?

Hey, I'm ready, man.

Whatever the coach need, I'm here, I'm ready.

and we'll find out just how ready when the inactives come out momentarily.

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And update on the London game and on the game day and access, which is really more important to Kevin Zitler.

A lot of curiosity about him, Mike.

Yeah, the enactors only only had the list for players because their roster is not up at that level.

So the inactives Jacob Monk, Aaron Banks, Anthony Campbell and Kevin Zitler.

So Kevin Zitler will not be in uniform and available today.

only Lake and Tomlinson is on the active and ready to go list for today's game.

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and Washington is not done fighting today.

They trail the Indianapolis cold 1713, just about five minutes gone by in the third quarter.

Thank you, Mike.

I wanted to bring in James for your thoughts on offensive balance.

We were talking in the last segment about, you know, Jordan Love throwing over 50 times in that game against the Falcons.

Only nine running plays.

One was a scramble and obviously the running game has been.

Not productive.

Let's be honest.

I mean, one of the worst in Packers franchise history.

You're a former receiver, but you're the first to know that offensive balance is important.

Absolutely, Dennis.

If you can't run it, man, it's going to be hard to be able to work your play action pass to be able to, you know, get some explosive plays down the field.

Listen, people don't understand when you cannot run the football.

Sometimes defenses drop eight people in coverage.

Rush three, drop eight.

90% of the time if you can't run it and they believe they can stop the run what they front for, they're dropping seven every time.

So it's going to be very, very hard for us to pass the football when they're dropping seven.

people in coverage.

So we have to find a way to run the football.

And I'm not saying run the football 20, 30 times a game, but we have to be in the double digits to 12 to 15 range of running the football to at least have them respect the run so we could be able to pass the football.

So trust and trust me, I'm a receiver, man.

I'll be 50 times throwing the game as that's right on my alley.

But I do understand too, though, if you cannot run it, it's going to be really hard to get the

pass game going, and especially on top of that, having the old line to protect for 50 times, man.

Nobody, all the old linemen always used to tell us, we hate people running at us.

We want to come off the ball and run at some people.

So, and if you're dropping back 50 times, they got to deal with that, man.

You know, you don't want that.

So we've got to find a way to run it.

The patience of Matt LaFleur as a play caller today will be really interesting to watch because.

he's going to have to stick with the run, even if it's not yielding early results.

And sometimes, Mike, and I'm not making excuses here.

Please don't think I'm making an excuse here.

But I think sometimes all of us, myself included, make this more complicated than it is.

They're missing two of their three best players, Michael Parsons and Josh Jacobs.

this team is not going to look the same.

Yeah.

And you, and you don't, uh, say Zach Baca Boelle there and he is their best offensive lineman.

So it is not going to be easy, but hey, listen, nobody cares.

No, they don't.

Right.

I mean, they make t-shirts on that for teams.

Nobody cares.

Work harder.

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We bring in West Hotcoats of Packers dot com and the Verizon broadcast booth in Tampa.

I know you're not a meteorologist, West, but to give us an update on the weather down there.

It's actually working out pretty well to the Packers favor.

There's been an overcast all morning.

So obviously Green Bay is wearing their home green uniform.

So if you had that direct sunlight, I felt it yesterday when the sun was directly out.

It gets hot here.

It gets humid.

So it's 84 degrees.

There's still a chance of potentially some showers here.

But I think all things considered, this is lining up pretty well for Green Bay.

Thank you, sir.

Let's get to the questions and I'll start with you, Mike.

The Packers one and two start is disappointing to everyone.

What has been the biggest surprise to you?

Well, that the offense hasn't produced anything.

I thought the defense and special teams for the first two weeks was good enough to win either or both of the games.

Um, it wasn't good enough in any phase to beat Atlanta last Thursday.

But for two weeks, they could have maybe should have won both of those games by virtue of defense and special teams.

The offense, which I thought would be pretty good returning Tucker Kraft and having a healthy Watson and.

but obviously we well chronicled that it hasn't gone well and it really has begun up front inability to run the football.

To me, you can't win in this league if you simply can't run it and that's who the Packers are right now.

Wes?

Yeah, that's probably the biggest disappointment right now is the fact that Green Bay has had such a difficult time protecting Jordan Love and then also being able to establish the run game and how does that reflect in the offense?

Well Green Bay right now really struggling in third downs and one of the stats I was digging up on NFL GSIS this past week and next gen stats in the 36 situations in which Green Bay has been put in third down.

35 of them they've had to throw.

There's no balance there because of how far they are back against the sticks.

And when you're in those third and long third and seven plus, it's just not a winning recipe.

So how again, does that manifest itself?

A lot of three and outs.

You have the explosive elements of this offense.

Christian Watson making his hometown appearance here today is at the peak of his powers.

I think Matthew Golden's off to a good start.

They have explosive elements to this thing, but they also need to learn how to move the chains more consistently down in, down out.

James.

You said disappointing.

Yes.

Oh my God.

Maybe surprising too that you thought something would be better than it's been.

Our record.

To be honest with you fellas, I've been on some packer teams that we weren't really good in certain areas.

Whether it was run game, whether it was offense of line, whether it was receivers, whatever it may be.

There, the year we won the Super Bowl, we had 92,000 people hurt.

The biggest thing, the biggest thing for me is our superstar players are not playing at a superstar all pro level.

And the only, the most disappointing thing to me is, is like the Jordan loves, and I'm not saying he's just playing bad or whatnot, but the Jordan loves and, and those type of players, like I want to see.

an all pro level and I want to see you cover some of this stuff up Aaron Rodgers and I'm not comparing them but Aaron Rodgers covered up a lot of stuff by how well he played so for me it's like I just haven't seen a lot of players our superstar players on our team elevate their games knowing that we're not strong in certain areas.

Next question Mike.

with Jaden read out for the season.

Who is most under the gun to adapt?

Yeah, I mean, I thought we'd see a little bit more sky more in that role.

J. Michael Sturdivant.

You will today.

J. Michael Sturdivant is a guy that during training camp, and I wasn't there every day during training camp, but I've been watching all the reports and reading all the storylines that were coming out every day.

He did something.

Maybe that's a better concept for James to discuss.

But J. Michael Sturdivant is a guy

that I think can step up.

I don't know that he's under the gun, but somebody from that slot position is going to have to be counted on, and I thought Sky Moore might be that, and J. Michael Sturdivant is the other.

Wes?

Yeah, so I want to just tell a little story if I can.

Many years ago, there was a wider seer by the name of James Jones that moved on in free agency, and Green Bay had to find a way to replace him, and he was a big part of that offense.

They drafted Devonte Adams, but it started with Jared Boykin as that nuts guy up.

It didn't work out and you had to adjust and Devonte had to step up right off the bat and he had to start being that type of complimentary number three receiver in this offense.

I look at Matthew Golden and a lot of that light.

This offense was going to run through Christian Watson.

It was going to run through Jaden Reed this year.

Jaden Reed's not coming back.

Matthew Golden's off to a really good start and now Green Bay is going to need him to play at a high level right out of the gate in year two.

I think he has every capability in his arsenal to be able to be that type of go-to receiver in this offense.

And it's not just going to be the explosive plays.

You're going to see him doing crossers.

You're going to see him doing slants.

He's going to be critical, I feel like, for the Packers moving forward.

Yes, it'd be great if he gets stuff from Sky.

It'd be great if he gets stuff from J. Mike.

But they need that first round pick to be a guy that takes it the rest of the way.

you know my favorite part of that story was uh james jones leaving in free agency and chasing the bag by the way uh colt's now up 20 to 13 in the third quarter in london over the commanders james

man you know what uh venice uh i blame the packers man that they thought boinkin they thought boinkin was better than me

No, I'm with West, man.

And thank God that you drafted a dude like Devonte Adams because he came in there and he had, you know, obviously a Hall of Fame career and was a great packer.

But at the same time, I'm with West.

Matthew Golden, the load has to get heavier now.

Go in the slot, go outside, move around.

This is a guy that, okay, when Jaden Reed was there, you might have had five targets a game.

Now you need 10.

Now now coach the floor.

We got to find a way to make sure Christian Watson gets 10 to 12 and we got to find a way to make sure Matthew Golden gets 10 to 12.

And obviously we have Tucker crap, but I think the load has to go up for Matthew Golden to be able to make some explosive plays and be that guy.

I don't want to depend on the sky more.

I mean, they'll they'll have a couple opportunities here and there, but for this offense to go and really kind of wake up and be explosive, we got to move him around a little bit.

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So you can go back in revisionist history and say, did they misevaluate who they were through training camp?

Ryan Gudekin's comments after they made their roster decisions and talking about how strong they were on the back end to handle situations like this.

But otherwise, this is the only thing you could do.

I think Kevin Zeitler is the piece in the players that they signed.

that likely has the greatest impact.

He's not going to be active today, but I think Zeitler is the guy there who is most ready.

There's a reason Lake and Tomlinson was on a practice squad.

Right.

right?

He's

more in fit because he's been practicing.

Correct, but Zitler to me is the guy that they signed that has to be the one that steps in and does the work.

You know, and Wes, you being there every day, you hear this, but I know there were some questions this week even about the offensive line coach Luke Butkus.

But you know, back to the question about the veteran offensive lineman, which one do you think will pay off the most?

Yeah, I think long term it's gonna be Zitler because it reminds me again I don't I don't keep going back to recent history But it's like when they signed Jari Evans in 2017 I remember talking to Lucas Patrick and Justin McCrae and Corey Linsley and David Bakhtari and what they took away from having him in that locker room on the field You need a veteran like that on this team and Green Bay just hasn't had that and most of it has been due to injuries when you look at like a David Bakhtari He should be wrapping up his career right about now, right?

You should have had, you know, Zach Baca-Bowelli should have

Elton Jenkins out there, but these guys have had very significant injuries, so they got young very quick.

I feel like, yes, in addition to fortifying right guard and seeing if you got one more year there with Zeitler being able to hold that down, there's also going to be a domino effect of having those type of players, those type of veterans in your locker room and having the young guys around them being able to learn from it.

You know, James, before you respond, I just I want to pick a little bit at what Wes said there because.

In many ways, the Packers chose to be young on the offensive line.

They let Josh Myers walk.

They let Rashid Walker go in free agency.

Elton Jenkins, his career deteriorated for one reason or another.

Maybe injuries, but he was switched to center, which he's still playing in the Cleveland Browns and actually hurt right now.

But James, how do you look at the veteran offensive line?

I mean, I'm with Mike.

I think it's the only plan that you had.

Listen, you come into a season and you have a plan.

And whose plan would not be to be like, oh, we have a bunch of young offensive linemen that could get the job done.

And maybe three or four of them pan out and we could pay them.

And we have a really good offensive line in front of Jordan Love for the next 10 years.

That's what you wanted.

So I'm not saying the plan for the Packers was bad to have a young offensive line.

But now, as you see how they're playing, this is the only option.

to go out there and get veterans, you know, unless you want to have your quarterback running for his life or are getting hurt or basically, you know, risking the season.

So it was it was the only option that they could do to go out there and sign, you know, 16 offensive line to see who could help.

And I'm I'm hoping all of them help.

I don't even want to just say Zitler.

I hope McCot back.

I hope all of them get out there and they find a way to help because we got to get this run game and all that going.

We might need all of them fellas.