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You Think Campaigns Are Expensive Now… (Hour 1)
Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Tue Dec 9, 2025
Good morning.
It is 6.06.
It's Tuesday, December 9th, 2025.
It's another beautiful morning to have you up here live from Lake Wissota.
From wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or watching us through social media, getting us by podcast, however you got here.
We appreciate it so much.
I got a question for you.
A little serious one about things in the news.
Should Wisconsin's county jails be used by ICE for roundups of people who are not covered by an arrest warrant?
You know, actual criminals.
Because right now we have a roundup of people based on racist quotas where masked secret police, or at least most of the time it is, there have been impersonators causing a public safety crisis.
But these masked secret police that we now have on the streets of the United States are rounding up people.
And in some cases, holding them on what's called an administrative warrant,
That's not the same as a criminal warrant and arrest warrant for committing a crime and before you jump in the comment sections and go they're committing a crime being here illegally lock them up That's still a misdemeanor These are people who have come into this country.
They've been working They are not the narco terrorists that Donald Trump said he was gonna go after he's going after all kinds of people who've been performing valuable services to the American economy and Having them rounded up without arrest warrants
Some county jails, they're good with that.
Others are saying, um, no, we're here for actual criminals.
You prove probable cause of a crime.
That's another matter.
So we're going to talk to Ruth Conniff about that.
She's written an editorial in the Wisconsin Examiner.
which makes sense because she's the editor-in-chief of the Wisconsin Examiner.
And we'll have her coming up a little bit later on this morning.
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Coming up today, we're going to have Cam Stephenson joining us from Courier Newsroom, the parent company of Up North News.
He's in Washington, DC, and no shortage of topics there.
Among them, the talk of a bailout for farmers.
And look, what's the phrase, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?
In the first term, Donald Trump started trade wars.
And farmers lost their markets and it cost taxpayers billions of dollars in bailout payments so that farmers wouldn't go out of business because of Donald Trump's trade wars.
Well, here he is again, again has started a trade war.
Keep in mind that after the first trade war, the markets did not all come back and fall back into place because China, for example, found new places like Argentina and Brazil to get soybeans and other commodities.
and now Trump's doing it again and now once again he's saying don't worry farmers I'm coming at you with 12 billion dollars and by the way it's all the money we've brought in from tariffs no it's not the money from tariffs was paid by you the American consumer so now he's taking more money that would have gone to you know healthcare or the military or a host of other things
and putting it into these bailouts for a trade war.
We'll talk to Camp Stevenson a bit about that coming up later this morning.
From a weather standpoint, a lot of folks are going to have to pay close attention to their local forecast throughout the day on their civic media station because we've got a snowstorm moving in.
It's what's called a clipper system.
Although I always associate a clipper system with something that moves fast, drops about an inch of snow and moves on.
But apparently this one's got a bit more oomph behind it.
And so from the I-94 corridor in western Wisconsin, northward, there's a winter storm warning for places that could easily get three to five inches of snow.
And then south of that line, less snow.
but an increased possibility of some freezing rain or a wintry mix of precipitation.
So you got to pay close attention to the condition of the roads where you might be going or maybe not today, if you can avoid it.
Temps right now across the state range from the upper teens to the low 20s.
The low spot is 14 degrees in Solon Springs, the warm spot 28 degrees in West Bend.
Let's bring in Parker Olson, who's producing this fabulous radio program.
down in Madison Studio A2.
Parker, what's happened to the camera there?
You look surprisingly less green.
I believe it has to do with the black curtain when I'm over here and the white wall when I'm over there.
Oh, computer cameras are weird.
I mean, well, if you remember, right, this is, um, this camera came not from civic media, but rather a civic media employee who bought it, I believe during COVID, um, and had absolutely zero use for it whatsoever.
And it had been sitting in the bottom of his backpack for years.
Uh, that is one Dominic Lee, the Italian stallion.
Um, yeah.
So that's the camera we're working with in a
I think the camera has COVID is what it's been all this time.
It's got a long COVID and maybe we can work on that anyway.
Uh, but you know, you're there and, uh, you've got the, we haven't given an update on Parker's facial hair in quite a while here.
Parker was growing the beard out to look like shaggy from Scooby-Doo and mission accomplished.
He's now got a.
a beard that's roughly in line with what you'd expect from a cartoon character.
And then he's trying to continue to let it go from there.
It's it's not quite the Santa Claus length yet, but no,
glad to get that
So, all right Also also coming up on the program today.
We're gonna be talking to Superior Mayor Jim Payne We were initially and we still will talk to him about the issue of affordable housing he
put out a very thoughtful post over the weekend on social media about what his community could do and frankly what all communities could do to address the crisis of affordable housing around Wisconsin.
And it collected a lot of comments.
some good, some critical.
So we'll ask him, you know, about the critiques and how that helps move the process forward.
Unfortunately, there was also an incident in Superior over the weekend where a police officer was shot and wounded.
And so we'll talk to the mayor about the latest on that as well.
We'll talk to Dan Hagen from NewsWatch 12 and Reynlander, WJFWTV, and we'll continue our 12 days of community kindness where we highlight different groups around the state that you could help.
throughout this holiday season, you know, make giving Tuesday last the whole season long.
If you can't stick around for this and all of the other things coming up yet this morning, remember, you can pod this program by heading over to Spotify or Apple and following mornings with Pat Crichtlow powered by Up North News that way.
Not a lot to tell you about in sports here, of course, there wasn't much happening on a Monday and surprisingly, the the bucks have a long
layoff here until Thursday when they're hosting the Boston Celtics.
There will be some college basketball tomorrow night here across the Civic Media Radio Network where the Wisconsin men's basketball team will take on Nebraska.
Coverage of the Badger men's basketball game begins tomorrow at 7.30 on a couple of the stations across the Civic Media Radio Network.
The Packers of course are off until Sunday when they are in Denver to face the Broncos.
That is a 325 kickoff next Sunday so the coverage will begin at 1 o'clock on some of the Civic Media stations and again that reminder the the next packer game after that will be six days later so they're playing this Sunday afternoon and then the following Saturday night in Chicago for another matchup with the Bears and one other note here that the
Badger Women's Volleyball team moving on to the NCAA tournament.
They will be playing against Stanford Friday afternoon down in Austin, Texas in the regional semifinals of the NCAA tournament.
In the news, we'll be following in just a few minutes here the latest on what has been unleashed because of
Well, Donald Trump, there's just no other way to put it.
And what he has emboldened others to say and do in public.
Everybody from, you know, Cinnabon employees to members of Congress.
We're going to get into all of that in our next segment, coming up here in just a little bit.
We also need to talk about the US Supreme Court and what they're going to be up to today.
You'll recall it was just yesterday.
We were saying how the Supreme Court was going to hear arguments about independent agencies and the Six Right Wing justices made it pretty clear that they're ready to rule, to give President Trump more power to fire
the board members of all of these various independent agencies.
Remember, they were set up as independent agencies to resist political meddling.
And that has worked for 70, 80 years, maybe 90 years in the case of some of these dating back to the depression.
But now just when a
far right conservative as president, the far right conservative justices on the US Supreme Court, feel like they're going to change the rules.
Well, that was yesterday.
Today, it's basically like Justice Kavanaugh said, hold my beer, because the court is going to hear arguments today that could wipe out the remaining barrier and allow billionaires to bypass limits on campaign donations by letting them use political parties.
legal laundering tools.
In other words, sure, you can say there's a contribution limit of let's say $2,000 for a candidate for office.
That's fine.
$2,000 limit.
Okay.
But there isn't a limit currently on what you can give a political party.
So I'm going to give the Wisconsin Republican Party, you know, this small fortune
And there aren't really barriers on what political parties can do for the candidates in their parties.
So yeah, there's a contribution limit on what you can give directly to the candidate, but wink.
And the Supreme Court today will hear arguments that could wipe out that remaining barrier.
Former Senator Russ Feingold filed a brief in that case.
I don't know how long the brief is.
It should have only been one page.
It should have simply been, told you so, love.
Russ Feingold.
But instead, of course, you'll get into the, you know, the legalities of it and the way that it has opened up our political system to corruption on a level that some would say is unimaginable, but it wasn't unimaginable.
We've been imagining this possibility for a long time and trying to warn people ahead of things like the Citizens United case, but it did not come to fruition.
So again,
The barrier seems to be moving to put unlimited cash into elections.
It's what Republican voters voted for in choosing Republican presidents, and that's what's coming before the nation's highest court.
We'll get into a couple of episodes, including that Cinnabon employee shouting racist comments at a customer near Green Bay.
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I would imagine we're really getting to that time of year for a natural tree.
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All right, it gives me no great joy to talk about Derek Van Orden doing Derek Van Orden things again Before we get to his latest Twitter tantrum Let me share just what he said over the weekend that one of the places one of the few places you'll see Derek Van Orden a fundraising dinner Speaking to a group of young Republicans in a Conowoc Van Orden said these words and they're on social media quote I'd take a punch in the face for you.
I will fight tirelessly for your freedoms
he said to these young Republicans.
So he'd rather take a punch in the face than hold a town hall and actually talk to a group that's not all Republicans.
You know, I'm just beginning to think he would take a punch in the face rather than show any difference between himself and Donald Trump.
Anything that would show he's fighting tirelessly for his entire district, not just for
young Republicans, not just for his dear leader.
I'm beginning to agree with the editorial cartoon I saw the other day that guesses that the reason the president needed an MRI recently was to find out exactly how many Republicans are still stuck up his backside.
But anyway, let's get back to this tireless keyboard warrior.
Among the more than two dozen tweets he made in the past 24 hours,
because apparently he's still not interested in doing the job of a congressman.
Derrick Van Orden's rolling sewage pipe of social media wisdom included this nugget while answering someone who dared criticize him.
Quote, this guy was not satisfied just tarting once.
This guy was not satisfied just tarting once, as in retarded.
Quick note here that since President Trump used the word retarded recently to describe a governor, there has been a noticeable uptick in the use of that slur.
Because as I noted last week, Donald Trump's most notable accomplishment as far as how history will look back on him is that he was somehow able to lift a rock that had been in place for a long time.
He lifted the rock that most racists, bigots, and jerks had the good sense to live under.
They were quietly racist by comparison to today.
But with that rock lifted, that bigotry has the oxygen to flourish and it doesn't just happen with members of Congress.
It happens to a clerk at a Cinnabon store in Ash Wabanan.
And by now, you've probably seen the video, if you had to subject yourself to it, of a Cinnabon employee in Ash Wabanan calling two Somali American customers the N word and saying to the camera, I am racist and I'll say that to the entire world.
Well, anyway, that video got posted and Cinnabon, to their great credit, probably set a world record in firing somebody.
She claims the customer started the dispute and you don't see that before the video begins.
But right there on the video, the customer confesses to her sin.
She was asking for more caramel on her roll because she didn't think there was enough.
I mean, you know.
Who among us wouldn't go full-blown racist if we were working in customer service and a customer was upset about being given a product they didn't think was right?
Oh wait, none of us would do that.
Every one of us who've worked with customers has had days getting unfairly criticized by a customer, and you might really hate that person in the moment, but going racist on them?
That's behavior you only see from people who feel free crawling out from under that rock that Trump lifted up.
whether you are a Cinnabon clerk or a member of Congress.
This woman even lost the support of the far-right New York Post.
We'll get into that a little bit later on, but first we've got today's history lesson to tell you all about, so stick around for that, including a little Blues Brothers right after this.
I'm Pat Crichtlow.
You're Up North.
To all who come to this happy place, welcome.
Ladies and gentlemen,
the Beatles.
That's one small step for man.
crook.
You believe in miracles?
Yes!
You know, this depression is going to be so great.
We'll be the ones eating the cats and the dogs.
That's going to be fun.
Once again, it is time to take another revealing peek back into history.
We're going to start things a little slow into seasonal today, because it was on this day 60 years ago that a Charlie Brown Christmas made its debut, airing on CBS.
Probably made a lot of people angry because of the show it preempted.
Because, you know, nobody had seen the Charlie Brown Christmas.
They didn't know it was going to be a classic.
They were just expecting an episode of the Monsters.
And the Monsters was being preempted.
I'm guessing it was going to be a rerun anyway, because, you know, Halloween.
But Charlie Brown Christmas this day.
Still has staying power.
Not enough staying power to be on network TV because apparently you can only get it on one of the streaming services.
Oh, really?
Oh.
gets us into
trying to buy
the kind of thing that you know Linus gives this wonderful monologue about the meaning of Christmas I'd like to think that in some other parallel universe Linus comes out and says lights, please and the spotlight comes on him and he reminds us that We shouldn't have trillionaires and that we should not have monopolies and that
We can actually set the rules that people have to follow so that we can afford to all live and have health care and a decent education.
And then he gets done and goes past Charlie Brown and says, that's what the spirit of democracy is all about, Charlie Brown.
It's,
show.
I don't remember.
I
All right.
Let's get to today's birthdays.
They include Chicago Bear Great Dick Buccus.
The late great Dick Buccus was born this day in 1942, passed away in 2023.
Happy 68th birthday to the forever young Donnie Osmond.
He and Michael Jackson were vying for the title of America's young male sweetheart singer as the Jackson Five and the Osmans bounced hits back and forth.
I made the mistake yesterday of looking for puppy love and instead of finding this classic from the late 60s, early 70s, I found a version from like 10 years ago of Donnie Osmond singing this.
does not have the same resonance
as it does, you
I can hear women now listening to these lyrics and go, how are we still fighting some of these battles?
I don't know.
We got a president that says quiet piggy.
You tell me why we're still fighting these battles.
I don't know.
So I am woman for Helen Reddy.
How about one for the men?
Well, on this day in 1851, the first young men's Christian Association in North America.
was set up in Montreal, you of course know the Young Man's Christian Association better as today's YMCA.
First thing that he ever told our 2B roommates the next year and became good friends with.
First thing he ever told them was a lie.
He was recruiting them to be on his intramural basketball team and he told them that he played during high school.
He did not play during high school.
He played at the Y Okay, I Just first thing you ever said so you meant that he was on like varsity and he was oh no I played at the Y he didn't tell him that for like a year
I'm not even
I refuse to believe there is a version of this without bump bump bump.
All of the Neil Diamond versions are without bump bump bump.
Anyway, Hot August Night was recorded in concert back on August 24th of 1972.
It was one of
10 sold-out concerts that Neil Diamond performed that month at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles.
More than 2 million copies of the album were sold and most of the playbacks of that album were done by my mom on the 8-track deck of her 1976 Ford Granada.
My god, we heard this so many
Anyway, mom's not listening, it's okay.
On this day in 1978, the number one hit was by Sheik.
Freak out was a big hit.
It was the number one song for seven weeks.
Niall Rogers says that he and Bernard Edwards, the bass player, came up with the song after being mistakenly denied access to a party that they had been invited to.
So the original lyrics of the song they wrote were not
Freak out.
They did begin with a letter.
It was not freak out.
It was something else entirely.
C.Lo Green later had a song that incorporated that title when you could actually get away with that kind of thing.
So freak out.
So this was number one on the singles chart in this day in 1978.
On that very same day in 1978, the Blues Brothers released their first single.
This of course would be John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd.
The originals by Sam and Dave.
And the, uh, whose brothers this date in 1978, soul man, comes out.
On this day in 1983, an advisor to President Ronald Reagan, Ed Meese, summed up Reaganism perhaps better than even its namesake, when he said, soup kitchens and food pantries only exist, quote, because the food is free and that's easier than paying for it.
I don't know if Ed Meese ever opened up a Bible or went to church, but at least we know he believes in the gospel of selfishness.
On this day in 1989, Billy Joel began a two-week at number one on the singles chart with the one song he says he may be like a do-over on.
Not that he regrets the song, but just this... That is not a typical Billy Joel melody.
Now, by any stretch.
But it worked for those lyrics.
The problem wasn't the song.
The problem was that it was catchy and it was historical.
And so teachers were using it in schools and people were kind of jogging their memories, you know, about whether they could remember Liberace and Marriott.
You know, everybody that's in there.
And it just got played out.
You hear it now and you're just like, no, no.
I don't want to listen all the way
When we talk about pop music, the pop stands for popular.
If something's popular, it's always going to risk being overplayed.
There's no magic button that you press where you go, that's it.
We can't play that song anymore.
It's no longer popular.
It's gotta be a quarter.
We have to drive this baby into the ditch, okay?
On this day in 2008, the governor of Illinois was arrested.
Rod Blagojevic was arrested by federal officials for attempting to sell the United States Senate seat being vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.
Rod Blagojevic is a free man today because, of course, he was pardoned by Donald Trump.
And that takes us to today's National Day calendar, Parker.
First on the list.
It is International Anti-Corruption Day, Pat.
Oh, that's adorable.
Anti-Corruption Day?
Were we ever against corruption?
That's lovely.
International Anti-Corruption Day, or as we call it, the good
Or maybe Christmas cards are just falling out of fashion.
But we have been very surprised at the downturn in Christmas cards.
Now we put ours out earlier than ever.
So we we've maybe built our expectations too high.
I'm sure an avalanche will come But I'm wondering if if other folks are there are you running later this year or was this the year that you said, you know We got social media, you know, you don't you don't need to see a Christmas card.
You know what we're doing all the time I don't that should have been my question of the day is you know, are you still sending Christmas cards or have you stopped?
Oh, you know and we've for years have sent cards to Friends that we know they don't send cards, but that's fine We we like sending cards to our friends and little you know letters with the update and photos of the kids and grandkids on there And that's all fine and good, but definitely not seeing the same kind of volume although again Given who's running the post office.
There might be issues that way too.
It's just it's a different
world that we live in these days.
All right, coming up in our next hour, we are going to be talking to the mayor of Superior, Jim Payne, about the issue of affordable housing.
We'll be visiting as well with Dan Hagen from WJFWTV News Watch 12.
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However, Christmas songs are all over the Billboard Hot 100.
Let's see.
Got a note here from Roger and Stevens Point who says, all I want for Christmas is you by Mariah Carey is now spent 19 weeks at number one collectively.
Let's see.
So I just called it up here.
You've got all of it for Christmas is you last Christmas by Wham is the number six song in the country rocking around the Christmas tree by Brenda Lee from nineteen what sixty one something like that.
Rocking around the Christmas tree by Brenda Lee number seven Jingle Bell Rock by Bobby Helms also from the early sixties is number eight out there.
Let's see.
Now, here's a new one by Ariana Grande.
Santa Tell Me is number 13.
I don't know if it's new this year, but it's not, you know, 1960s new.
Andy Williams, most wonderful time of the year is at number 17.
Nat King Cole's The Christmas Song is at 18.
Kelly Clarkson's Underneath the Tree 19 and Slay Ride by the Ronettes is the 20th most popular song based on streaming and sales and radio airplay.
Underneath the Tree by Kelly Clarkson is kind of my new Mariah Carey All I Want for Christmas is You in terms of, you know, favorite Christmas tune recorded, you know, in my adulthood, not like before I was even born.
Yeah, the Kelly Clarkson one has really grown on me.
I really like that one.
I don't know if I know that one, but then there's a lot of there's a lot of classics on here that continue to get played.
And we, you know, again, we should find out we should find out what other people think for their favorite and least favorite songs or artists like Ardeth puts on Facebook.
Your mom and I may have had a contest to see who played Neil Diamond the most.
What a guy.
I thought that
was your main joke
press and I again, I'm not the person you want to go to for movie recommendations because I just want to laugh.
You know, I'm not much into violence or even, you know, I'll do some dramas, but not much.
But if it's just going to make me sad, you know, but and that's when you hear the movies called one battle after another.
I'm like, I don't know.
I got a lot of battles in my life already.
But clearly Leo must be in this thing that he's getting the accolades.
To be
I don't
Although, well, the diplomat is one that we're going to give.
We again, we've watched one episode and we're going to give that one a second episode.
We're not doing the pit because it's a medical drama and I'm married to somebody who has to live that all of the time.
Yeah, you get enough of that.
Uh, slow horses, Gary Oldman looks like something I would really like, but it looks like something Sherry really wouldn't like.
So
we're
But again, I watched the first episode and I thought it was great.
Uh, the white lotus.
Again, I don't know.
Maybe a little, maybe a little quirky.
So.
I am just turning I'm either turning off people left and right or a whole new legion of people who are going.
Thank God it's not just me Whichever class you're in we hope you stick around anyway, and we'll tell you who wins all these nominations It's just that you know the news might come with a little bit of snark attached attached to it
What's new?
That's the price of admission for this radio program, kids.
I think you already figured that out by now.
Anyway, coming up after the news, we're going to have that keyword again in the grown-up gift list.
Text to win contest.
We'll be talking to the mayor of Superior as well, Jim Payne.
And then in our eight o'clock hour, we'll talk to Cam Stevenson from Courier Newsroom in Washington, D.C.
and Ruth Conniff from the Wisconsin Examiner.
I'm Pat Crightlow from Up North News and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.
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