The Monarchists Have Their Moment (Hour 1)

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The Monarchists Have Their Moment (Hour 1)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Mon Dec 8, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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Pat Kreitlow

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

6.06 the time.

It's a Monday morning.

It's December 8th, 2025.

And another beautiful, chilly, frozen morning to have you here up north.

Live from Lake Wissota.

From wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the Civic Media Radio Network or finding some other avenue to get here.

Nice to have you along as we get the work week started.

I got a question for you and for producer Parker Olsen down in Madison Studio A2.

A question for today is, do the bears still suck?

Yes, Parker.

Okay.

Yes, we do have affirmation.

We might even have musical affirmation at some point during the program.

Oh, because without a doubt, they tell you how how we do a little touch tunes sabotage with with bear fans.

Yeah.

Oh, yes, you have told me about this.

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Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And and we've got a friend who would love to take us touch tunes, you know, with his little cell phone and whatever bar we were at, he

He'd bring up the Bear Down Chicago Bear song until he realized that somebody, maybe me, would quickly follow it up with the bear still suck playing on the jukebox.

And that that didn't really resolve anything.

It just made the jukebox company, you know, a little bit richer for playing those two songs.

But the fact of the matter is the good guys won

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this time

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around.

And that was how long has it been since we've been able to say, no, that was a good.

fun game to watch all the way through where you had to watch till the end.

The outcome was not certain.

How many games this season, we said, oh, that was boring to watch, or it was painful to watch.

Yes.

Yeah.

Because even the wins were just like, there was nothing flashy about it.

This one great plays up and down the field throughout the game.

Yeah.

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I thought it was great.

It was wired to wire.

Actually, I was like, pretty happy with how the Packers are playing.

I was never that annoyed, really, with play calling.

No,

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no,

that's the first time I think I've said that this season to be honest with

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you.

So.

Well, that's because you look at Jordan loves touchdowns.

And by the way, if you you missed the final scores, 28, 21.

And we asked Rogers playing 3D chess here when I said, do the bears still suck?

He puts on Facebook.

Is the Pope Catholic?

Very nice.

And also a bear's band.

Yeah.

Yes, exactly.

Anyway, but so Jordan Love, he went 17 of 25, 234 yards, three touchdowns.

Christian Watson's touchdowns were from 23 yards and 41 yards.

And then there was Bo Melton.

Who?

Beau Melton with a 45 yard touchdown.

So the point I'm trying to make here is you didn't have so much of that dink and doink stuff of, you know, just little screens here, little screens here that make me want to rip my hair out.

They actually went for it in this game.

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So the play calling was

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much better.

Yes.

And Keyshawn Nixon could not pick a better time to get his first interception of the season.

Oh my God.

And that's what we we haven't had a game like that where you just erupt at the end of the game And people are going there is your dagger and so forth He picked off Caleb Williams his pass in the end zone 22 seconds left to preserve the Packers win over the Bears and the Packers now move into first place in the NFC north Huzzah,

Huzzah very good very very very

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good.

I am I have to say

I was getting worried about the Packer offense, not because of dink and dunk stuff, but because they were scoring too quickly, actually.

It was getting

a little frustrating at one point of going, okay, we've had the ball for four plays and now we're giving it right back and our defense has to go back out and get gassed again.

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Yes, Josh Jacobs had the tie breaking touchdown a two yard run with three and a half minutes left in the game.

He'd set it up with a spectacular 21 yard run.

But yes, then came the concern of, you know, how the Bears would manage the clock and if they tied it would we have time to, you know, at least try to win it with a field goal or something like that.

And would the defense hold?

Because the defense, frankly, that last Bears Drive was a longer one.

And they were saying on TV, you know, they'd worry about the Green Bay defense getting tired.

They were motivated, man.

I tell you, I'm like a Parsons.

Look, I

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think

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I've mailed out all my Christmas cards.

I really got to save one for Jerry Jones.

I got to send Jerry Jones a Christmas card somewhere.

You idiot.

Sentin' us Mic Up Parsons.

Yeah, I

want to, I think we have to start talking nice to Roger Caddell or somebody, whoever is leading NFL officiating, because what's a guy got to do to get a holding call?

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Oh my gosh, between that and the two other replays that were called back on us, you know, in the olden days, you know,

those were two different plays where the Packers would have benefited, but there's time for challenge flags and things.

And,

you

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know, sometimes you win those.

But yeah, yesterday was a little frustrating from a referee standpoint.

And they came, they came in like a bat out of hell.

They just hammered their way into the game in that first quarter.

It was like, oh my God, but the play just happened.

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I will say though, I mean, it helped make a friend of ours a lot of money.

Oh, yeah, because we we do the we do the quarter game with flags.

Okay.

And

for folks who don't know, everybody puts their name on a piece of paper or a ticket or whatever.

And then every time there's a flag, everybody yells flag and somebody walks around with a with a beer pitcher and everybody puts a quarter in there.

And then at the end, you pull a name and somebody wins a lot of quarters.

And so that first, that first quarter, no pun intended.

Holy cow.

We're like, somebody's going to be rich and somebody was.

And it was, it was not me, but it was still, it was still fun to see somebody else get all of that.

Let's see, Jordan Lavey mentioned he had the three touchdowns here.

The Packers are now nine, three, and one, which puts them ahead of the Bears at nine and four.

The Packers won their fourth straight.

They snapped the Bears five game winning streak.

Plus, in this stretch of three straight divisional games, the Packers trounced Minnesota.

They won in Detroit on Thanksgiving, and now have gone four and oh against the division.

After going one and five in the division last season,

Now they will play the Bears again in less than two weeks.

It'll be a Saturday night game December 20th in prime time But first there is a trip to Denver next Sunday afternoon another 325 kickoff So one o'clock is when the coverage will get started the pregame coverage across the Civic Media Network next Sunday again 1 p.m.

Ahead of the Packers visiting the Broncos

Well, we've got the time here to look at some other sports.

The Bucks lost last Saturday to Detroit.

They're off now until Thursday when they hosted the Boston Celtics.

The Badger men's basketball team, no problem trouncing Marquette.

I didn't look deep into it, but there can't be a lot of times where the Badger men's basketball team beats Marquette by 20 points

like that.

Not positive, but I think I read that it was the biggest win that the Badgers have had against Marquette.

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I might be wrong about that.

Could totally be the case.

They will, the Badger men play next Wednesday night at Nebraska.

And that means that, let's see, hang on just a

second.

I think I'm pretty sure he's still

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there.

Um, I lost my, I lost my spot here.

Here we go.

Men's basketball in Nebraska courage begins at seven 30 on several civic media stations.

Uh, the Badger men's hockey team swept Notre Dame.

So they are first in the big

10.

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They are often you're laughing at something else about Notre Dame.

Yes, I am.

We'll come back to that.

Okay.

The Badger men's hockey team is now off until December 28th 29th.

The Badger women's hockey team number one in the country and they swept number two Ohio State over the weekend and now they are off until January 9th.

And then finally the Badger women's volleyball team moving on in the NCAA tournament.

They swept in the first two rounds.

The three seed now advances to the regional semis in Austin, Texas.

They will play number two seed Stanford.

And that will be on Friday afternoon.

So that's the sports that matters around here.

But the sports that people are talking about is the college football playoffs, which is this the first year they expanded to the 12 team

second year last year.

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So a 12 team bracket again, once upon a time, no championship.

It's whatever sports reporter said it was going to be.

And then it was a two thing.

And then it was a four team thing.

And now it's 12.

And I'm sure it'll be 16 real soon because, you know, money.

But you still have to pick.

which 12 teams go in and Notre Dame is on the outside looking in because you know you got to fit in those powerhouses like um what was it Tulane?

Tulane and James Madison.

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And James Madison you got to make room for James Madison to get in the college football playoffs right?

Right?

Right?

As a division three football guy I love that conference championships mean something and that Tulane

And James Madison got in because they were conference champions.

They were the highest in the highest five.

Yeah.

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Yeah.

But I understand conference.

Conference in a parks and rec league does not mean that they should qualify for the brackets.

So I've not worked up.

I've not worked up about this, but Notre Dame was so worked up because they they were what the 11th or 12th ranked team in the country.

Right.

They were the first

team out.

Yes.

They got

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and they ended up being the first team out by a couple of these smaller schools because they won their conference championship.

So Notre

name has stomped their little feet and said, well, we're not accepting any invitations to any other bowl games.

They're not going to take any consolation prize.

That, that was the actual sound bite right there from the press conference.

Yes.

That there will, there will not be any Notre Dame bowl football.

Pat.

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I wish you could see how happy he looks at this.

My two favorite things to hate on are the Chicago Bears and Notre Dame sports.

Oh, OK.

My friends today may have been yesterday, may have been the greatest day of all time for me, because I hate both those things so much.

And publicly, they were getting hammered.

It

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was

they work.

Yes.

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Yeah.

And really, that might be the end of our college football playoff coverage, much like last year.

Like, does it does it really exist?

I don't know, you know.

But oh, the thing is Notre Dame was out.

But of course they had to find a way to squeeze Alabama in.

They

don't

understand.

I tweeted this the other day.

Okay.

It has been 10 years that we've had the college football playoff now and sure we've adjusted the format once now.

They still have not come up with a formula or a policy to figure out how to deal with conference championship games.

It is absolutely ridiculous because they

are rewarding some teams for playing in a conference championship by getting in because they won it.

And they're hurting other teams because they lost it.

But I can't remember who it was.

BYU.

BYU got killed by Texas Tech and BYU got dumped out.

Alabama got killed by Georgia and they stayed exactly where they were.

It doesn't make any sense.

No, it never it never has,

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you know, it's no, it's fine.

Alicia rightly puts up here.

The only college football game that matters is Saturday.

Yes, Alicia being in the Navy will tell you it is, of course, the Army Navy, the Army Navy game.

Very she would say Navy Navy Army game.

Yes.

So we'll I'm sure we'll have more to say about that coming up temperatures around the state right now for above here in Chippewa Falls.

Cold spot is Manitowish Waters at 11 below zero right now.

Hayward's at 6 below.

Wasaw 8 below.

Richland Center 4 below zero right now.

On the positive side of the ledger, LaCrosse is sitting there at 5 degrees and Oshkosh, you got one itty bitty little degree.

above zero.

There will be a little light snow today in places and then the chance of an inch or two or more coming up tomorrow, especially just north of the I-94 corridor, maybe a little rain to the south of there.

Coming up on the program today, we'll be talking to Richard Trent.

He's the National Director of Main Street Alliance, a small business group that is

more than a little upset at Congress jacking up everybody's health insurance prices because it makes it tougher for them to keep their good employees.

We'll also have Selena Heller along from Up North News, Dr. Kristen Lierly, your grown-up gift list text-to-win keyword is coming up right after the 7 o'clock news.

And coming up just moments away, I'll be talking about how today the U.S.

Supreme Court

is gonna make a moment for the monarchists to plead their case and not have independent agencies in the U.S.

federal government.

That's coming up next.

From the Heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota, I'm Pat Crightlow.

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Pat Kreitlow

All right, I know this is radio, but I gotta tell you about this photo and see if it entices you to sign up for our newsletter at upnorthnewswi.com.

Especially folks listening in the Chippewa Valley who know that here on Lake Wissoda, I'm way up at the north end, way down at the south end, there's this little island, very small island, you know, created when they built the dam and, you know, the water's rose around some farmland here, and there was a hill in that

top of that hill is now a little island and Barbara in Chippewa Falls sent us a photo that Ellie put at the top of this morning's newsletter and it is a bright beautiful full moon setting over the island which is covered in fog.

You can see the island clearly but the whole rest of the lake is just that smoke coming off the water on a cold morning.

just a gorgeous picture in the section that Ellie calls your Wisconsin view and if you want to see those photos every day a different gorgeous photo from around Wisconsin, you can sign up at UpNorthNewsWI.com Ellie also has

the Badger State Buzz, things that are happening in Wisconsin this week, including the holiday train is making its way through the state.

And let's see, we've also got the Wisconsin Farmer's Union Youth Convention in Wisconsin, Dells, and much more, plus ways that you can get a link to our giving guide, which also includes lots of links to organizations that you can help out.

kind of in the spirit of Giving Tuesday, something we will continue here as well in our next hour with our 12 days of community kindness.

But again, for our newsletter, sign up for that over at UpNorthNewsWI.com.

All right, well, let's start that again, Pat.

The United States may be on the verge of losing the independent agencies that oversee consumer protection, worker protection,

environmental protection and more, replaced with nothing but lackeys of whichever politician has the most power.

See, a right-wing group that favors what's called unitary executive power, well, at least when a conservative is president, they're gonna argue their case today before the US Supreme Court.

With the Chief Justice, John Roberts, who has been pushing this idea behind the scenes for 40 years,

dating back to his days working in the Reagan administration.

At issue is whether President Trump can fire supposedly independent board members of some of these agencies.

And it is something that was not necessarily restricted to one party until fairly recently.

Because frankly for the entire breadth of our nation's history.

We've had arguments back and forth about executive power.

We've actually been arguing about this since before we became a country.

America's first great debate was between what you would call monarchists, people who wanted the strength and security of a monarch, a king or a queen, and Republicans with a small r, who wanted democracy and wanted that democracy stabilized with checks and balances.

It's really interesting now that the capital R Republicans are now the monarchists amongst us.

Now they will say, as John Roberts did in a 2010 Supreme Court decision, that these independent agencies and boards, well, they prevent a chief executive from being fully accountable for discharging his duties.

That's not what they actually mean.

when they say full accountability for a president, what they mean is they want the president to have full power.

The accountability doesn't come from having power.

The accountability comes from the series of checks and balances that we have set up over the years, including agencies that are created by Congress, which is a separate branch of government.

And these agencies were designed to have

independent boards to guard against corrupt political influence.

And that's why we have a Consumer Product Safety Commission, a National Labor Relations Board, a Federal Trade Commission, Federal Communications Commission, Federal Elections Commission, and a Federal Reserve Central Bank, and more.

And this is the part where people go,

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oh yeah,

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they're all bureaucrats.

This is all staff with nothing but bureaucrats.

If that's the outlook you want,

You can choose to have that.

What's supposed to be real is that each of these has some of the best and brightest people who are in those particular fields who are free from partisan political influence and can do the people's business without fear that they have to do whatever Barack Obama says or George W. Bush says or Donald Trump says.

Presidents of both parties

and members of Congress in both parties, will spar over individual nominations to all of these boards, but the larger goal remains of true public service that is less tainted by party politics.

But far-right conservatives know the only way they can ram through their extreme agenda is that when they get a little power, seize more by blowing up the very system that protects our country from extremism.

Is this a neat and tidy case of Republicans versus Democrats?

Not historically.

Presidents of both parties would love to remove impediments in those agencies.

Franklin Roosevelt tried to fire a federal trade commissioner who consistently voted to dismiss complaints against big companies.

When the U.S.

Supreme Court shot down FDR and stood up for the independent agencies, Roosevelt tried packing the Supreme Court but had to backtrack because fellow Democrats saw the move as unnecessary meddling.

But unnecessary meddling is in the DNA of today's GOP.

And so we're back at the point of undermining America's independent agencies to satisfy the far right's lust for power.

Other politicians in the past on the right side of the spectrum were too coy or too savvy to go along with such a brazen scheme.

Eventually they found a guy with no reservations about seeking a level of power preferred by monarchs or dictators or mob bosses.

And now that guy is back in the White House and it has activated the baser instincts of the six right-wing justices who today will hear a case that they have been hoping would come before them for a long time now.

So today, the monarchists will have their moment.

We may not get a ruling until next June and that might be fine.

The closer we get to the midterms for voters to see the perils of a monarchy, the better chance we might have to preserve democracy.

So stay tuned.

Today's history lesson is coming up next.

I'm Pat Critello.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

It's time once again for today's history lesson on mornings with Pat Critello.

All who come to this happy place, welcome.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles.

That's one small step for man.

Well, I'm not a crook.

You believe in miracles?

Yes!

You know, this depression is going to be so great.

We'll be the ones eating the cats and the dogs.

That's going to be fun.

Once again, it is time to take another revealing peek back into

history.

Pat Kreitlow

We have to start today's history lesson on a melancholy note that it was 45 years ago tonight that John Lennon was murdered outside his residence in New York City.

45 years ago for a guy that had just turned 40 years old and left us with this holiday staple along with everything else that was done with the Beatles over the years.

Let's see, we've also got the anniversary today for the dissolution of the Soviet Union that happened this day.

in 1991.

Several more birthdays ahead, so let's welcome into the program as we always do on Mondays.

Dr. Kristen Lierly, who has a little worried she might be horse from the game or something.

In fact, I haven't heard her speak yet.

Good morning, Dr. Lierly.

How are you?

Good morning.

I spent a significant amount of time yesterday shouting at the television and it was amazing.

I

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loved it.

I know we were saying that it's the first time that there's been like a really exciting game, not just an exciting play here or there, but like the whole game was worth watching.

So it was just so much fun and I loved how they kept talking about how cold it was because you know we know how cold it was and he just yeah.

So

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were you were you game adjacent then or did you find a way in as you often seem to?

No, I chose to stay home.

I had work to do.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, OK.

Oh, my goodness.

See, it was cold out there.

It was cold out there.

She couldn't couldn't bike out there for that one this time.

And can I just say, wait, open the show with like some melancholy that like got me a little choked up, John

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Lennon, that whole

thing.

Like that was really instrumental in my life.

It

was.

I'm

a huge Beatles fan and

oh

yeah.

Recognizing what their impact was as individuals and as a group.

Yeah, that was a big day.

Pat Kreitlow

It was and I was in high school and I would have a radio next to the bed and I would listen to the radio before I fell asleep.

Usually to some top 40 station and to have a DJ come in and share that news.

It made a little tougher to fall asleep that night.

What the heck?

What's going on with this world?

And you're still asking questions like that all these years later.

All right, let's get some more birthdays for today.

This is the anniversary of the birth of Jim Morrison, born this day in 1943.

A

poet.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes, and also one gone way too soon.

In this case, it was 27 or 28 years old when he passed away in 1971, Jim Morrison.

27, Pat.

27

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is the

magic number.

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That's right.

Jimi

Hendrix, Janice

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Joplin.

Jim Morrison.

Greg Allman made it much later than that.

He was born this day in 1947 before passing away in 2017.

Greg Allman's birthday today.

I don't know if this is quite, quite true, but it seems to me when I think of celebrity news, you know, which wasn't as big back in the day.

But I mean, I remember when Greg Allman and Cher

got

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married.

Yeah.

See, you remember too.

And everybody's like, really?

An interesting pair and interesting is the best way to put it.

They were they were a little volatile, you know.

Well,

they weren't as interesting as her first husband.

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Right.

Greg Almond's no sunny bono.

Let's put it that way.

On this day in 2013, Metallica performed a concert in Antarctica in a dome making Metallica the first band to perform on all seven continents, which is cool.

It's

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cold, actually.

It's so cool.

It's cold.

I like it.

All right, the anniversary of another artist gone too soon.

Dan Hartman was born this day in 1950.

Dan Hartman passed away in 1994 at the age of 43, age-related symptoms there.

He also co-wrote several other hits for the Edgar Winter Group.

He's the one that co-wrote Free Ride.

And for James Brown, my favorite James Brown son living in America.

You're kidding.

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Dan Hartman was a co-writer of that.

Yes, exactly.

Let's see, Bertie Higgins, remember Key Largo?

Oh, so yes.

Yep, he is 81 years old today.

And Nicki Minaj is 43 years old today.

Looking at number one songs, on this day in 1979, Sticks had their only number one single here in the

States.

this was their only number one yeah that's so hard to believe

Pat Kreitlow

i know again you go look at the charts and you go what is it that made them stop at number two or three or four or whatever and you look and go oh why but you know people's listening habits were what they were at the time uh let's see for example if i had told you but yeah let me just give you this by year what year would you say was hauling oats's final number one song

Of course, we always have to go back to Holland Oates.

Pat Kreitlow

It always comes back to Holland Oates,

of course.

1989.

Yeah,

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I see you would have thought late 80s.

Nope, it was 1984 this day when Holland Oates had their sixth and final number one single.

Oh yeah, they were all part of that whole like MTV, can we transition into this?

Are

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we

good enough on video?

Things really changed after that.

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They really did.

And they were among those who, and Billy Joel talks about this as well.

They all rolled their eyes.

They're like, I don't want to do this.

But the ones who buckled down and did it became superstars because of MTV, which, again, is in that category of things of, I can't believe it's not still a thing.

You had music videos on TV.

and they replaced it with reality shows.

This is like what we're dealing with now with the transition in media.

It's, you know, if you are thinking like FM radio is still your thing, but everybody's looking at video, like you're not gonna survive.

If you are thinking that watching regular old broadcast TV is the thing, it's all moving in a different direction.

What

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does the future look like?

I know.

It's all streaming.

I mean, come on.

It's Netflix buying HBO last week.

Oh, my gosh.

I know.

It's all about streaming.

So out of touch, number one song this day in 1984.

Let's go up a year.

40 years ago this week, 1985.

This was the number one song.

No, that is not it.

Somewhere in there should have been Mr. Mister's Broken Wings.

Do you want me to sing it?

Yeah, go ahead.

Take these broken wings.

Passionately and learn to fly again.

Come on Pat learn to live so free.

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I'm having more fun watching Parker's shirt figure this one out.

I've got it.

I know what happened.

I just that's it shouldn't have done that.

All right.

Here listen to broken wings now.

Okay, we will.

I can't tell the difference.

I'm always here for you in a pitch.

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That would be funny.

Also

available for karaoke.

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Yep.

So anyway, 40 years ago this week, Mr. Mr. You know what, while we got time for the music, do you want to hit that one again and I'll tell people why, what that tune is all about?

Oh, sure, what the

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heck?

We've broken Parker already.

I haven't talked about this for a long time, but I finally got in touch with the Eau Claire bass band, the Jaggernauts, and this is the start of their song called Krite

Lo.

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I got such a nice email from them that I'll talk about later, the story behind the title of the song.

Because I wanted to make sure, you know, before I go playing it, that they didn't name it after some serial killer, you know, named Crypo or whatever, you

know.

That

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would

unroof a whole other thing.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

But instead they they shocked me with the answer and I will share that with you a little after the seven o'clock news.

Once Selena Heller is here, let's get back on track.

I know.

Let's see what we've got on the National Day calendar today, Parker.

It is a very good day, Pat, because it is National Brownie Day.

I'm a big fan.

Yes.

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Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

Who was I?

Oh, it was my daughter, my older daughter.

We're talking about the daughters over the weekend.

And, um, you know, so she and her boyfriend lived down in Dallas and she's like, Oh, he made brownies for me.

And then I found out he put peanut butter in them.

And I mean, this, and we both were kind of joked like, Yeah, we're going to miss him.

He seemed like such a nice guy.

But I mean, you put peanut butter in the brownies.

It's one thing to have a brownie and put like a peanut butter frosting on it, but the peanut butter was in the

the brown it was peanut butter brownie.

Did it like mess up the consistency?

Pat Kreitlow

I don't know.

I wasn't there.

But I just know that I don't think you're supposed to do that.

What if it tastes good?

That would be good.

Yeah.

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Well, then I at least set us up for it.

Don't say here's a you know, it'd be like handing somebody what you you know, you've been handed a cookie, you're sure is chocolate chip.

Because you don't look very closely and then you bite into it and it's oatmeal raisin.

I like

it.

Pat Kreitlow

You can like it, but not if you're expecting chocolate chip.

It's like, is this

about expectations?

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This is about expectations.

Yes.

Yeah.

Because I feel like the brownie can be a base for anything.

Oh, chips.

He like throw whatever you

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want.

Oh, I had I had a great mint frosted brownie last week at an event.

Oh, yeah, it was it was great.

So hey, however you make them, they're great.

There's, you know, there aren't bad brownies.

Well, except with nuts.

They don't belong there.

I like

that.

No, that's an okay take.

I'm fine with that one.

Pat Kreitlow

That one messes with the texture.

Kristen's outvoted there.

Yeah, you got the texture of the brownie.

Yeah.

Again, unless you know going in, but it's a terrible surprise.

There should be like little signs on all the brownies.

Little like Brett like little for sale.

Pat Kreitlow

I think of Duncan Hines or Betty Crocker's listening Include a little sign that you can then put on top of the brownie pan that says you know peanuts or peanut butter or whatever Weird stuff you want to put in your brownies or just be pure and put chocolate chips in there

I'm looking at Parker's face, and he's definitely something going on in Parker's head right now like I know

I'm picturing

the little signs.

I'm thinking toothpick and I can't quite come up with what the sign part

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is.

It's just a little thing.

A brownie sign.

Oh boy.

Pat's looking for something, folks.

Remember my little head on a stick?

Remember from my birthday cake?

Yes.

It's about that size.

Alicia writes peanut butter on brownies is on par with noodles and chili.

I like noodles and chili.

Pat Kreitlow

And some people say it's no longer chili if you do that.

So it's just it's a matter of being, you know, upfront truth and advertising, shall we say, national brownie day.

And apparently it's national debate about brownies day today.

It is also national blue collar day.

Pat Kreitlow

National Blue Collar Day.

Every day is National Blue Collar Day.

Pat Kreitlow

Absolutely, yep.

And again, we've had this discussion before of how it seemed like for the longest time people thought that everybody was being told to go to college and the trades were being kind of overlooked and now I hear all the time that college isn't for everybody and I'm glad that we're encouraging an education in the trades more than

ever.

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But I also am here to guard against letting the pendulum swing too far in the other way.

We need people with liberal arts degrees and study the humanities and things like that as well.

We need it all.

There's gotta be educational opportunity for everybody.

Yes.

Oh, look at this.

I got Rob is back.

I was a little worried about Rob and Tigerton.

I heard about, you know, he'd heard his knee or something.

And now he's back.

He's out plowing snow.

So we'll find out what he's had to say as well when we get past seven o'clock here.

But first, Selena Heller is going to join us from Up North News.

We'll find out some of the stories that she's been working on.

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Pat Kreitlow

But not lately, so what was that?

What's the band's name again?

Um, it is the... Oh, it doesn't say.

What does it say?

What?

It doesn't

matter.

Just sing the chorus.

The band still suck.

The band

still suck.

When I was leaving the

gaming...

When I was leaving the game in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, after we won, the fans started chanting, the Bears still suck.

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They did again yesterday as well.

I saw a video of the whole concourse.

Fans are coming out of there and you just hear, the Bears still suck.

The

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Bears still suck.

But they played

the Bears yesterday.

They played Pittsburgh when I was there.

And they were saying the Bears still suck.

That's how strong this rivalry is.

Pat Kreitlow

And in part, thanks to that song by the Happy Schnaps combo.

Yes.

Forgot about the name.

Happy Schnaps.

It's the happy schnupps combo.

We are joined by Selena Heller from Up North Doos.

How are you, Selena?

Oh, very good.

Had a fun weekend, so nice

Pat Kreitlow

to meet you.

Yeah, you had the parade in Eau Claire on Friday night, right?

Yes, we walked in the Clearwater Winter Parade for the schools.

Pat Kreitlow

That's great.

Okay.

Yeah, it

was very fun.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, and very cold, too.

Well, you know, I stayed warm.

Because the day before was very, very cold.

So it really seemed warm after coming from, you know, the day before where it was, you know, like zero.

So it seemed warm.

Pat Kreitlow

So it's all it's all a matter of comparison is what you say.

Yes.

Okay.

That's fine.

Kristen, you didn't have any parades or anything this weekend, right?

You just know you said you had to work.

You had actual work to get done.

I did and I was in Minneapolis for the Minnesota meeting of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, which was amazing and so good to just be reminded of how many wonderful people are there and all of the medical stuff we do.

Pat Kreitlow

So you did a video with a whole bunch of docs and each one listed, it was basically just a long list of things.

Those were some of the things that we talked about.

Pat Kreitlow

So it was doctor by doctor by doctor by doctor looking at the camera and saying something.

Can you roll through like three or four of those things on the list?

Hemorrhoid management, amniatic fluid embolism.

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One more.

sepsis.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay, about that time, I'm looking at this video and I'm going, this is the worst list of potential band names ever.

And I was going to send that back to you, but I didn't want to marginalize what you're doing.

But let's give the punchline then at the end of the video, because that was the important part.

And there was a doc with you who basically delivered the line that tied it back to current events.

Do you remember what that was?

I do.

The amazing Erin Stevens.

She essentially said, if you don't know what these things are, how to treat them, you shouldn't be making laws about them.

Pat Kreitlow

Boom.

Yes.

If all these things sound like alien to you, then why are you trying to regulate them?

Maybe not.

Maybe not do that so much.

Maybe work with us.

Work with us, people.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Work with

the experts.

The experts.

Pat Kreitlow

Crazy thought.

Crazy thought.

Let's see what those partners found for some entertainment news to share with us.

Pat, it has been a really brutal, like, two, three months for the Louvre over in France, the art museum.

Famously,

famously, the jewel heist.

still not found and other jewels have since been moved to a bank in France to be safer.

Because apparently the wheel has a lot of problems.

They had a water leak, which damaged a bunch of scientific journals in the Egyptology section.

This was a known issue that they were going to repair next year.

We're going to get around to it.

We'll get there.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes.

We'll just leave these ancient manuscripts over here.

What could go wrong?

Yes.

Also in, I believe it was October.

I didn't know about this.

There was a structural collapse in

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the

Greek gallery.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, that sounds like you got your Greek ruins.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Kind of on

the nose.

Yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

OK.

OK.

That's that's unfortunate.

So the Louvre is one of those institutions that has had some issues lately.

And then there's the other types of problems being faced by another institution and that one in the nation's capital.

Yes, this is true.

The Kennedy Center.

had their honor

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cycle.

The Donald, the president guy, he's made himself in charge of that thing, so he's hosting it now.

It was recorded for later broadcast on December 23rd, so we don't entirely know how it went.

Oh,

I can guess.

Yeah,

Pat Kreitlow

he spent a lot of time up on stage talking and which has never been done by a president before.

But of course, he he said he was asked to take over it so that it would get better ratings.

Yeah.

And said he was he was trying to act like Johnny Carson while he was honoring.

Let's see actor Michael Crawford, singer George Strait, the band Kiss and others.

He talked about how Bill

and billions of people have watched them over the years and he made some comments again, mostly about himself.

Usually politics stays out of this, but he of course couldn't resist.

He talked about the power of persistence.

He said, I know many of you are persistent.

Many of you are miserable, horrible people, but you are persistent.

You never give up.

Sometimes I wish you'd give up, but you don't.

Yeah,

that

Pat Kreitlow

was the president of the United States talking to the Kennedy Center honorees.

How uplifting.

There was a weird line about there's a lot of good people here, but there's also a lot of bad people here.

Yes,

Pat Kreitlow

okay.

Yeah, so it will get ratings in the sense that, you know, A, he's got a base that will watch him, and then there'll be people that just...

like to see a good old fashioned train wreck.

Although for that, I mean, just watch the cold opens to Saturday Night Live.

Those are, those are, those are more on par, you know, where they're now adding the part where he falls asleep all the time now too.

So sleep sleepy Donna's back.

Real quick Selena coming up after the news.

So what you're working on a story we're going to hear from somebody there.

Yeah, local food for schools.

It was a federal program.

You would seemingly think that is good for everybody, but it was cut by the USDA.

So,

Pat Kreitlow

we're going to

talk to some schools.

Pat Kreitlow

Trump administration cut that.

And then, of course, there was the health department.

Robert Kennedy Jr.'

's group did something on recommendations for childhood vaccines, hepatitis B. And Dr. Lierly is going to talk to us about that.

We're going to continue our 12 days of community kindness in our next hour as well.

right after the news, the latest keyword in the grown-up gift list, text-to-win contest.

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