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Illegal Orders, They’re Illegal to Follow (Hour 2)
Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri Nov 28, 2025
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Well, he is in the Lake Wessota studio and it is a Friday morning.
It is nice to have you here, 7-0-6, even if I'm not necessarily here at the time you're hearing me be here.
But we've got nice fresh content for you for this day.
What's the content you ask?
It's the Week in Review panel, of course.
But we spoke a little bit before we gathered all around our respective Thanksgiving tables and we'll talk a bit about what we are thankful for.
in some of the things that are in the news today.
Those folks, of course, include former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel.
You can hear him on Amicus, a law review, Saturday mornings from 9 to 11 on Civic Media stations all around Wisconsin.
Played back on Sunday.
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You, of course, have Mark Jacob.
You can catch his newsletter, stop the presses at stopthepresses.news.
And also learn more about him over at couriernewsroom.com.
And then pinch hitting for Jennifer Scholesy this week is our friend, Jonas Pezzito, live, local and progressive from WCPT radio in Chicago weekday afternoons from two to five.
You can find links to her show to guests.
past episodes, podcasts and more over at HeartlandSignal.com.
Joan, James, Mark, nice to have you all here.
Thank you very much.
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It's radio and we're not gonna we won't have a live stream of this So we'll just carry on guys while Joan comes back in and Jim we'll start with you because again from a legal standpoint You know there were plenty of things going on not the least of which this week was the throwing out of the cases against former FBI director James Comey and of course Attorney General Leticia James as well.
It seems to have played out exactly the way we
thought it would go is that these were bogus cases being brought primarily just to damage reputations and drive up legal bills and they could still come back but when you when you make somebody a federal prosecutor out of a cracker jack box essentially don't be surprised when a court says you're not qualified to bring this case
Right, and that's basically the procedural, but very significant thing that Judge Cameron McGowan Curry did just earlier this week, right before Thanksgiving.
She found looking at this narrow issue, frankly, there are three altogether, but the narrow issue of whether or not Lindsay Heligan, the interim United States attorney, sent in to the Eastern District of Virginia after the previous Trump Interim US Attorney said there was no case here, nothing to prosecute.
The president sends her in.
She gets an indictment a couple of days later.
And what the judge has focused on is not what the US attorney said, the outrageous thing she said in the grand jury.
It's actually not even the vindictive prosecution, although that is implicit in this.
But again, as you just accurately said, Pat, this notion that the president has just decided to appoint people stacking their terms of office.
And she says, that's not appropriate.
It is not.
That's not the statute of authority.
Now you've got to get a court to appoint a U.S.
Attorney or get Senate confirmation.
And so she says that with that arrangement, that badly manipulated and manufactured arrangement, Lindsay Heligan has had no authority to do anything as United States Attorney since the time that she walked in the office, including up here before the grand jury, including asking them to return indictments against Latisha James and at James Comey, including to sign off on this anything
And for that reason, no authority, no indictments, and they are dismissed without prejudice, as you noted, which means that they could come back.
There's some burdens with respect to that, mostly because as to James Comey, statute of limitations has already run.
That's one of the reasons why they move quickly to get him indicted back in September.
But we're going to hear more of this.
The president has promised to appeal this, which is ongoing right now.
But it is a significant slap.
In this case, the only other thing I would mention, which is huge, is that I still hope that the trial judge, the one addressing the larger issues of vindictive prosecution and this grand jury abuse we talked about last week, I hope that he will still issue something, some order sometime soon, telling this president to decide from your procedural nightmares and not just footfalls,
But also, because of these other things, we don't indict people in America because we don't like them, because they run a file of your view about things should be.
And also, you got to get people who are competent.
We're not going to misstate the law to the grand jury that's returning an indictment.
There's a lot going on there.
There's still a lot to be heard.
I'm hoping that we get that full three-part order, that three-part directive at some point that really tells Donald Trump and Pam Bondi, you are acting unconstitutionally.
across the board.
But they are acting on brand mark.
And that's the point I want to get to with you is above all of the, you know, the legal X's and O's, which are important.
Don't get me wrong.
But this is par for the course on what Donald Trump does.
We saw it throughout his first term, where again, much like in this case,
bypassing the confirmation process by naming people and saying well they're the acting secretary or they're the acting department head or they're acting this.
Mark it's all about the acting rather than actual confirmation and being you know subject to the review of the people that we elect to congress.
checks and balances, things to keep us from going rogue and becoming a dictator, which is what Trump wants to be.
I guess, Pat, I'd have to say, though, that something that really makes me feel hopeful is that the Trump regime is reminding us that crooks aren't very smart.
they're not always competent.
And the incompetence of this administration may be our salvation because they have real bad intentions, but they step all over their own feet when they try to implement things.
And so maybe their bad intentions won't get to the point where they'll hurt too many more Americans.
But I mean, right now, obviously, we're seeing a lot of wreckage.
But maybe they can be stopped because they're just plain incompetent.
Well, and that leads me to kind of the theme I want to get to with you guys is, you know, the things that we are thankful for this week.
And look, there's been a lot of, let's just say it, there's been a lot of hell these past 10 months in this country.
A lot of good people have been hurt as a result of this administration being sworn in.
But let me just throw a premise out, Mark, and I'll have you whack at it first.
Are we thankful for this, that after 10 months,
We might be off of what I would call peak mega that we've now seen pushback on the Epstein files.
We've seen members of Congress, Republicans starting to head for the exits.
We've seen this string of court setbacks.
Doge had to end its run months ahead of schedule.
You see the community pushback on troops in Chicago and in North Carolina and in other places.
Is that a reason to be
thankful, though maybe not optimistic and certainly not complacent?
You know, his approval ratings in polls keep on going down.
And I guess I don't want to get too hopeful because it was less than, you know, it was about a year ago when
when 77 million people voted for, you know, the most unqualified person to ever run for president of the United States to be president.
So I'm not super optimistic, but yes, we should be thankful for a lot of things.
We should be thankful for that, you know, that people are filing lawsuits to challenge these things, that brave people are risking their own jobs because they, to speak out against him.
And, you know, we can win.
I mean, I think that part of what
Trump and his bunch have been trying to make us feel like is that there's a sense of inevitability.
Especially when you had Elon Musk in the first few months just laying wreckage to our government.
And I think that they wanted us to feel like we were helpless, we couldn't do anything about it.
And we weren't going to, you know, that it was just
it was a failure complete.
And it's not.
I mean, you see people pushing back, you see people defending their neighbors, and as you said, in North Carolina and Chicago.
And people are getting more active, not less, as they see all these bad acts.
And so, yeah, I think we can win.
Jim Santel, we'll go to you next and then John Esposito.
And if you're just tuning in, we're asking about in light of Thanksgiving, is there something to be thankful for that maybe, maybe we've come off peak MAGA.
And certainly, Jim, a big reason for people to hope for that is that, yeah, there's still those six right wing justices on the Supreme Court, but there still seem to be enough other judges, prosecutors, others in the judiciary that are willing to say,
The rule of law should still mean something, no matter how much pressure a president and his cronies try to put on us.
And at the top of my list would be just that.
Again, not in any way to diminish the good list that Mark just provided, including all those people inside federal agencies who are either saying no, that we don't know about yet, or also
voting with their feet and leaving and refusing to do these things.
Federal district court judges are still the standard by which this administration is being measured.
And almost unanimously, not 100%, but boy, very close, they're saying, no, you cannot do unconstitutional things, Mr. President.
We recognize the Supreme Court is another issue.
Just this past week, once again, you've got James Bosberg who's saying, you know what?
Now the appeals court has given me authorization to figure out whether or not the United States Department of Justice
was in contempt and failing to turn around those planes back in March that sent 238 people to El Salvador where there's still, you've got Judge Paula Zinnis in Maryland, who's looking at the Department of Justice and saying, what do we do with Kilmar Brego Garcia on his immigration case?
Other judges in Chicago, in Milwaukee, in San Diego, in Los Angeles, in Miami, Boston, all over the country who are saying no to all kinds of things this president has done, including birthright citizenship,
many other things out there, including tariffs for what it's worth.
And again, some major decisions there.
There is a reason not to be thankful, but I would say to be hopeful that the federal judiciary remains this bastion of basic decency and justice.
And again, coming off of Thanksgiving, we have a lot to be thankful for that they are there and they're not being afraid.
They are not afraid of this judge.
that this president, both Republican and Democratic judges appointed by Donald Trump and Joe Biden and Barack Obama and George Bush, everyone, they're to almost a person.
They're saying no.
That's what's going to save us in the end when it comes to the legal aspects of all of this.
Joe Esposito, just under two minutes until we go to a break here.
Again, taking nothing away from all the harm that's been done and is ongoing, but are there things we can be thankful for when we look at what Americans have done during these past 10 months?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
At the beginning of all this, I think like a lot of people, I was wondering, would a savior emerge?
You know, someone who we can all rally around and who's going to lead the charge.
And pretty quickly, I figured out that this was going to be a grassroots thing.
We are our own saviors.
We are the ones who are standing firm.
We are the ones who are resisting peacefully.
Thank you.
And we are the ones, I think, with our show of strength and the continued commitment people have to resist, resist, resist.
I think that between us and those federal judges, Jim was talking about, I see a lot of hope.
And frankly, Jim, I also think, while the Supreme Court may want, may agree with Donald Trump on a lot of things,
You know, I think that they now see the cracks, see that this guy is not forever.
And if we take back both houses and the White House, is there going to be an expanded court?
Is their power going to be diluted?
Maybe they'll pay a little more attention.
Perhaps so, and that's part of the conversation that we will continue here on this Friday morning with Joe Nesposito, with Mark Jacob, with former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel.
That all will continue in just a little bit.
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As we've been talking about some of the stories that we're thankful for this week, Mark, I'll start with you, thankful for heroes of all stripes, not the least of which are members of Congress who are veterans, who have stood up and reminded their fellow soldier, sailors, airmen, Marines, and others that being a patriot includes the right to not obey illegal orders.
Now, that's like, that's fact.
That's like saying the sun rises in the east.
And boy, the president of the United States and the secretary of defense did not take it very well at all.
But one of those veteran members of Congress is Mark Kelly.
That's a fight I'm not sure Donald Trump and Pete Hexeth wanted to pick.
And what these members of Congress said is the same thing that's on a plaque at West Point that you're not supposed to obey illegal orders.
So, you know, come on.
I mean, what's the American tradition?
Really clear after especially after World War two when the Nazis tried to claim that they were just following orders It was clear that following illegal orders does not absolve you of guilt and it's important to know here when Trump is just bulldozing through laws left and right and and for them to you know and for I Mean in effect Pat
What's happening here is that these members of Congress declared that they urged people not to commit crimes.
So they're being accused of crimes for urging people not to commit crimes.
And so here we are in the upside down world here with Donald Trump.
So it's super important for people to back up these members of Congress, especially Mark Kelly, former astronaut, veteran,
whose wife was a victim of political violence.
I mean, he's a very
admirable figure and, you know, I put him up against, you know, the keg Seth, you know, and you see what you get.
Yeah, Joan, I mean, it's like it's one thing if Dick Durbin said it or Chuck Schumer or Adam Schiff, kind of the usual characters, but going after these veterans and people with very high public standing, look for a president who loves to look for the little PR victories.
I just don't don't really know what he was thinking in even
thinking for a moment that this was something he could win.
He wants to intimidate people into not giving him grief.
He wants to intimidate members of Congress into not giving him grief.
He wants to intimidate all the White House reporters, quiet, piggy, into not giving him grief.
He wants to scare people.
If, oh, if I say something against Trump, he'll, he'll come after me.
You know, Adam Kinzinger.
did a post to the video.
And he said that on the very first day of officer candidate training school, the first thing they tell you is that you cannot obey an illegal order.
You cannot do that.
He said they tell you that on day one.
And that's all these people said.
And it's just insane.
And Jim, I mean, I've already invoked the Saturday Night Massacre from Watergate once already.
But, you know, again, I'll say that in the judiciary, you know, this also applies where you have people serving their country who, you know, understand not to follow illegalers.
Now, the people they get in the comment sections, it's like, oh, you're undermining law enforcement and you're undermining the military and all that.
This isn't just don't follow an order you don't like.
There's, there is a.
real difference that you know the professionals are trained to spot and understand and respect.
And to those people who pushed back on that, Pat, I would say, you're actually strengthening the military and you're strengthening domestic law enforcement by reaffirming these principles.
You go back in history, we know all sorts of instances, one of them, the Milai massacre, right, in a situation where orders given and catastrophe happens, firing on a civilian village.
Abu Ghraib happened right before I went to Iraq.
Again, that kind of thing.
And oh, by the way, let's look to his first term.
How about a guy named Mark Esper?
the former Defense Secretary, who refused to follow an order, presumably given by the president, to fire at the legs of protesters in Lafayette Park.
Why?
Because all those three things overseas, domestically, they're all illegal.
It would have been a violation of the law, military law, domestic law, to abide by any of those orders.
And we've seen that judges have come down and said exactly that.
The lesson is clear.
The president's words also threatening the members of Congress.
They're not protected by the First Amendment.
That's incitement to violence when you're talking about hanging people.
That is fighting words.
It is not protected by the First Amendment under other circumstances.
He would also be the subject of prosecution in a federal court for saying those things.
Yeah.
And so, Mark, I don't know if this thing will have legs.
I'm sure he will find somebody else to call out.
I did like, I mean, even trying to call out Jimmy Kimmel again and Jimmy Kimmel said, I'll leave when you leave.
I mean, again, I feel like there's real pushback building here.
Well, that's the thing.
You know, the FCC, which is, you know, tyrannically run by
Trump toady, you know, try to get Jimmy Kimmel fired.
It didn't work.
And he's still there.
And so people are finding that if they, you know, bullies love people who just acquiesce.
Yes.
People are finding that you can fight and win against this would be dictator.
Absolutely.
That's Mark Jacob, also joined by Joan Esposito and former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel.
And the conversation will continue in just a bit.
I'm Pat Crichtlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Welcome back.
Nice to have you here with our week and review panel on this Black Friday morning.
Coming up one hour from now, we're going to be talking to author Laura Ann Bird.
She was with us on Monday with some book recommendations dealing with the theme of gratitude.
Well, we wanted to come back right away and she's going to share some book ideas for beating the winter blues and especially given the weather lately and the weather to come over the next couple of months.
Why wait till winter's here in full force?
So listen for Laura Bird's wintertime book recommendations coming up one hour from now.
But we have one for you right here as well.
Mark Jacob told us all about it last year and it's still a great idea for a holiday gift, a book that you worked on with your brother.
Yeah, it's called a globetrotter how Abe Zapperstein shook up the world of sports It's about a a five foot three inch Chicago and who founded you know one most famous basketball teams in the world the Harlem globetrotters about a century ago and It's a biography.
It's super interesting.
We have so much fun writing it.
It's it's both
kind of has funny stories, but it also has real serious issues about, you know, racism in America and how they overcame it, and has some things that almost nobody knows.
Like, Abe Saperstein pioneered the three-point shot in basketball.
Some people think that was around forever, but he's the first person to put it in league play, and he's also in Negro League's baseball, and it's just a fascinating story.
And if you love history and indoor sports,
I think you'll find it interesting.
It's available online at all.
Great booksellers called Globe Trotter, how Abe Saperstein shook up the world of sports.
And if you don't want to do the Amazon thing, you can go to bloomsbury.com, B-L-O-O-M-S-B-U-R-Y bloomsbury.com.
Yeah.
And get it directly that way as well.
So that's from Mark Jacob.
Joan Esposito, you can hear her be live, local and progressive on WCPT radio.
And of course, you can follow her through Heartland Signal as well to learn all about past episodes, podcasts, links to guests and more.
Joan, as you've been talking to folks.
heading into this Thanksgiving weekend.
I'm sure, again, we've been kind of hitting this theme of gratitude here, especially in your area in Chicago where there might be some gratitude for the community.
There might also be some gratitude for elected leaders who are still standing up for things like they fought back hard against the expiration of the enhanced tax credits under the Affordable
care act they fought back against you know cuts to snap benefits now these are still uphill fights but i mean you got to have some hope when you see donald trump earlier this week say okay here comes my health care plan and then instead you know within 24 it's postponed
Again, I can't believe it.
I
got so excited yesterday, it was like CNN were sort of, later today, we will see Donald Trump's healthcare plan.
And I was like, oh my goodness, I can't wait to see this.
And then a few hours later, I see this banner, postponed, postponed.
And I swear, I heard one of the anchors on CNN say, oh, I'm sure we'll have it in two weeks.
From the first term,
two
weeks.
For four years, we heard that his health care plan was coming in two weeks.
So here we go again.
Somebody counted it up and I don't have the number.
I want to say it was like 279 weeks.
It's been since he said the health care plan was going to be coming in two weeks.
And, you know, that's the.
That's the funny side, the lighter side, if you will.
But, you know, Joan, the problems are real.
Your listeners are watching what their health insurance premiums have been jacked up to.
And a lot of them are going to choose to go without coverage.
And, you know, that that just has such a snowball effect.
And then we're going to see another big rise in medical bankruptcies the way we are.
I mean, our health care system is apparently pretty fragile.
But
people they I've the Wall Street Journal has been reporting for the last few weeks that behind the scenes Republicans are trying to figure out they want to restore the subsidies without actually looking like they're restoring the subsidies because God forbid Biden did anything right but they know these letters have already gone out the premiums go up in January this is going to kill them in the midterms so maybe there's hope
Uh, maybe, but again, you know, it comes only after the bills have, uh, first, first arrived as well.
Uh, so that's Joe Nesposito joining us part of our weekend review panel.
Uh, Jim Santel as well, who's got amicus, a law review that you can hear on the weekends here across the civic media radio network.
And Jim, you were telling me before we talked about the, the.
And the judge basically slapping down the president on his prosecutions of James Comey and Leticia James.
But as far as the, you know, the troop deployments in Chicago and elsewhere, I mean, the hits just keep on coming for a judiciary that is letting the Trump administration know there are still rules and laws to be followed.
Again, you've got Sarah Ellis right there in Chicago, 233 pages of accounting of all of the nightmares of law enforcement.
This is not National Guard.
This is border.
troll, this is ICE, and she is recounting the violations of the Constitution, not just of her orders directing the true abide by the law, but the violations of those.
That's contempt.
We've got that going on there.
We've got a judge, a name is Gia Kahn, that those 2000 National Guard folks of the president deployed in Washington, DC, even with the special home rule law there.
Oops, that's unconstitutional too.
No authority to do that.
And again, all this is being appealed.
We know well the Supreme Court has on a stack at now this larger issue about whether or not the president, again, invoking the Insurrection Act, can claim a rebellion in places like Chicago and Washington and Portland and other places around the country and therefore make these deployments
Maybe in the wake of the apparent decision on tariffs, maybe the Supreme Court, consistent with our overall discussion here, is thinking once or thinking twice.
And maybe, just maybe, we'll say once again, no, no, the law just doesn't support that the nation is in rebellion justifying this.
We'll see what happens here.
But again, the hits do keep on coming.
hits with a small H, coming from federal district court judges and appeals court judges.
We're also affirming what those lower courts are finding.
So it's got me thinking, Mark Jacob, that there are more than a couple of Republicans in Congress who have become disenchanted.
Marjorie Taylor Greene got all the headlines last weekend about not even serving out her term, just wants to quit in early January.
Coincidentally a couple of years after she becomes qualified for a lifetime pension, but anyway Jake Sherman from over at punch bowl news put up an especially noteworthy post this week that he's quoting one senior house Republican
As saying this entire again, this is a senior House Republican This entire White House team has treated all members like garbage all and Mike Johnson has let it happen because he wanted it to happen That's the sentiment of nearly all the appropriators the The authorizers the hawks the doves the rank and file the arrogance of this White House team is offputting to members who are run rough shot and threatened They don't even allow little wins like the announcing of small grants or even responding from agencies not
Not even the high profile, the regular rank and file random members are more upset than ever.
Members know they are going into the minority after the midterms.
More explosive early resignations are coming.
It's a tinder box.
Morale has never been lower.
Mike Johnson will be stripped of his gavel and they will lose the majority before this term is out.
Pardon the cliche, Mark Jacob, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you like the play?
Well, you know, I mean, I feel so sorry for these Republican lawmakers who just kowtowed to Donald Trump, and then he just wasn't nice to them after they kowtowed to Trump.
I think that the last decade has really laid bare the lack of ethics and the lack of principles in members of the Republican Party and Congress.
And so now, you know, they've been sticking with Trump, even though they knew he was a criminal and that, you know, they knew he was bad for the country, but I think they thought he was good for their own personal ambition.
Now they're seeing the polls and they're seeing this widespread anger.
And now they're saying, oh, it may not be good for us, you know, in the next time.
And so they're still operating out of advantage for themselves personally instead of
the advantage for the country in having, you know, legitimate members of Congress.
But so, you know, I have no sympathy for them, you know, don't, you know, let the door hit you on the way out, you know, please, you know, get, you know, I just hope that whoever takes their place
is, you know, on the right side of things, another careerist who doesn't give a crap about the
country.
Right.
And is only interested in pandering to their base.
There's more dissatisfaction among the Republican ranks with the way that the administration handled a so-called peace plan for Ukraine, where Secretary of State Marco Rubio apparently let it slip.
He made that cardinal sin of telling the truth, I guess, for a moment, that the so-called peace plan was primarily
you know, authored by the Russians, he then had to backtrack and say, oh, no, no, no, this was all a Trump administration thing.
And you had Nebraska Republican Don Bacon saying, you know, people ought to be fired for the ham-handed way that this has all been treated.
Jonas Posito, again, it just goes to show that people are still willing to stand up for some principles, not the least of which is
However, they voted for Donald Trump on maybe economic issues or whatever.
There are not a lot of people that voted for him to have Russia completely roll over Ukraine and for Trump to just be Putin's puppet in all this.
think this shows that we've we've always known I mean Donald Trump isn't a guy who sits down and reads all the documents for God's sake you know so and his administration seems more chaotic we did this plan no we didn't do this plan somebody else did this plan no wait a minute part of it we did you know I mean it's it's
It's just ridiculous.
It's like watching a bunch of children.
And I was so glad when the European Union and Canada came out and said, hey, this plan sucks.
If you want to use it as a starting point for negotiations, maybe.
But this plan sucks.
And gave Lodomir Zelensky the backing he needed.
I mean, the face of that guy,
when this plan was released.
It was like he had just lost his dog and his best friend and his mother on the same day.
And I'm so glad somebody, not us.
but somebody has his back.
Yeah, that's Jonas Pizito.
I'm also joined by former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel and journalist Mark Jacob as well.
And let us close with a period of mourning for Doge.
Okay, a period of mourning is over and Jim Santel, you know, the damage was done.
I mean, it didn't really
cut federal spending.
You got rid of a lot of regulations that would have applied to billionaires and corporations and things like that.
How much damage was done because of layoffs and things in the judiciary?
I mean, is those something that we're going to be talking about for years coming back
The
consequences are things that we may see, we may not see, because we have lost, again, this huge amount of expertise.
A thousand people fighting from the Department of Education.
We know he's trying to bring that down.
State Department, again, Department of Justice, all kinds of agencies across the board recognize once again the demise of, I don't even want to say it's doge.
It was never a department.
I don't know what it was, was not properly.
But here's the other damage to it by the Supreme Court.
This Supreme Court let those 20-year-olds get access to the social
security information of all of us, not just numbers, but also healthcare information.
And that was at the pen of John Roberts, an emergency docket.
And again, that's the continuing consequence of not only that Musk team, but what the Supreme Court does in complicity with this administration.
Again, it was never anything other than special favors to a select few and good riddance.
And we'll just leave it at that.
That's one more thing to be thankful for.
Jim Santel, former U.S.
Attorney, you can catch him on Amicus Law Review.
Saturday mornings, 9 to 11 on Civic Media Stations, replayed on Sundays.
Joe Nesposito, live, local and progressive from WCPT Radio in Chicago.
Weekday afternoons from 2 to 5.
Find more at heartlandsignal.com.
Mark
Jacob, get his newsletter at StopThePresses.News.
Thank you all very much.
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Back at 752 on this Black Friday.
Again, my thanks to our Week in Review panel for letting us kind of go off the usual course and talk about, you know, things they're thankful for in the news cycle.
And we're going to cover some of that with Dr. Kristen Lyrely after the 8 o'clock news.
But as we do on this time slot on Friday mornings, Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here, along with our executive producer, Frank Gargano and Parker Olson to do a quiz.
Hello, Kristen.
How are you ready for some quizzing?
I love the quiz.
And I remember the rules this time.
I have to say my name, not just blurt out the answer.
you
You
It's nice that the one gentleman who's taking this game seriously will know that Parker.
So yes, by all means.
Hey, wait a minute.
Pat has to say Patrick because Parker and I both have two syllables.
just can't bark out.
Like he has to say both.
So I have to say Pat Crichtlow.
OK, fine.
I'll take the.
You know what?
Your name is on the
You do whatever you
No, I'm going to take three.
I'm going to take the handicap.
That's how good I feel about this quiz today, Frank.
Let's have
I love it.
OK, we'll get started like Dr. Lirely said.
You must say your name.
It is your buzzer.
Here's the scores because we're keeping a running tally.
Dr. Lyrely is in first place with five points followed by producer Parker Olson with three points.
And the man whose name is on the show, Pat, only has two points.
And now he has a handicap.
All right.
Let's do it.
play for every year?
Kristen, Kristen, Kristen, Kristen,
Paul Bunyan's axe.
Oh, Parker, I totally saw that.
Parker, I totally saw that.
What happened?
He was so first with his name.
Oh,
really?
It's that Kristen said it eight or nine times.
Look at Parker.
He looks absolutely preceded.
Why
Parker thinks
This quiz is out to get me.
Parker and Pat think Frank's going to have a hearing test after this to test his reflexes.
So that's fine.
Kristen, hold on.
I
didn't
say it repeatedly.
I
I said it very loudly and over and over again.
Can I
if I have a picture of me holding Paul Bunyan's axe?
you.
A
I support both teams.
I am not gopher or badger.
I win this game every year.
She was literally Goldie.
Goldie
She was the mascot.
Yeah.
Yep.
But she's a Wisconsin girl through and through.
I am
Pat.
Pat.
No, you cannot.
You cannot force somebody else to answer the question, even though he probably should be able to, because he read the obituary on the radio a couple of days back.
I will say
Yes.
There's a lot of things I say that I have forgotten.
That means I wasn't even
Five.
Kristen, I can see clearly now.
No.
Didn't know I was just guessing there's no
harder they fall
Oh, so regardless, you'd have gotten that wrong, even
wrong.
You would have gotten that wrong.
going to keep struck the law.
Look at
head went right to Bobsled team.
When you said Jamaica, I was like
right?
All right, we're going back to the sports realm.
A game ball from the 2000 NBA finals signed by the L.A.
Lakers is expected to fetch up to three hundred thousand dollars at an upcoming auction.
Which Lakers star was the 2000 NBA Finals MVP?
Magic Johnson.
Oh, Kobe Bryant.
Yeah, but not retired in my head.
Don't know how that
We have two more
Let's keep it
I
1924.
1930.
We
Five points for that one.
Five points, I can tell you.
I mean, I had to know what I read it a couple of days back.
This feels rigged.
It's a week in review.
That's why you got to listen.
Sometimes I even listen to myself and clearly sometimes I don't.
But thank you, Frank, for once again, reinforcing the point that I should listen to my own show.
Harder they come,
Pat.
I guess so.
Let's take a break for the news.
And then Dr. Lyle will be back here to talk some of the week and review in the news headlines on this Friday morning.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
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