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So the aforementioned Dr. Lirely will be along later this hour, along with our weekly news quiz.
Frank will be along for that.
And then Dr. Lirely will talk more in our next hour about a particularly disturbing story.
It's about what some Wisconsin legislative Republicans want to do to further harass women at one of the most vulnerable times of their life.
I'd never heard of something called a catch kit, but these are legislators who want women who have a miscarriage to have to collect the tissue.
and bring it to a doctor's office in a medical waste bag because they're so concerned, they say, that, you know, abortion-inducing drugs might get into the groundwater supply.
I can't even believe they're saying that with a straight face, but we're going to talk to Dr. Leggerly about that one hour from now, along with other things that have to do with
politicians who just don't want to leave women alone to control their own bodies.
But for now, at 7.08, we're going to turn our attention to our Week in Review panel.
Well, two-thirds of it anyway.
Jennifer Schulze is off this week.
Got to get an early start on the holiday weekend.
And so let's bring in former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel, and let's bring in journalist Mark Jacob, a former editor at the Chicago Tribune, and who also now has Stop the Presses, which you can get at stopthepresses.news.com.
column this week, how the media pardoned political criminals, news outlets paper over the ugly pasts of right-wing extremists.
And Jim, of course, has amicus, a law review.
You can hear that Saturday mornings, 9 to 11, across the Civic Media Radio Network.
Gentlemen, good morning.
Nice to have you both here.
No shortage of things that we're going to get into today.
Not the least of which, Mark, we'll start with you and then we'll go to Jim.
But as you both kind of talked about the things you've been following this week, you both followed the wonder of a sitting president essentially threatening members of Congress with execution.
And again, this tendency of the media to say, ah, you know, that's just Trump being Trump.
Although normally, Mark, that would be head, that would be, you know, above the fold, you know, big typeface Obama threatens to kill reporters or have reporters executed.
Mark, you look at the New York Times.
How did, how did they take this very serious thing that a sitting president did?
1616.
Let's back up and give the, you know, what was the context of it?
Because what he said about those members of Congress was for something that they said, and the thing that they said was perfectly reasonable,
an era of potential dictatorship.
So these are members of Congress Democrats a handful about and they are all veterans of either the CIA or the military and you know, and they did a simple video saying telling two troops and to the CIA officers intelligence officer saying you'd
are obligated to not follow illegal orders, do not follow illegal orders.
And this is like a longstanding principle in all civilized countries.
I mean, it really came to a focus after World War II in the Nuremberg trials where people tried, the Nazis tried to say, well, I was just following orders and they said, no, no, no, you can't follow illegal orders.
You're responsible for what you do.
So this is not something that these Democrats just invented this week.
So they said that because we're about to
under a war in Venezuela for who knows why and you know and they're he's sending troops to American cities so it's pretty darn irrelevant right now and so they did this video and it infuriated the Trump people and that's when he said it was a sedition and punishable by death.
Yeah and and Jim Santel I mean we're we're aware even in in more recent history you know the Milai massacre in Vietnam and of course Abu Ghraib during the the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan that
You know, there are things that our men and women in uniform are sometimes commanded to do.
And this, uh, this was away from a legal standpoint to let them know that, I mean, they learned from the very beginning that there, there are, there are illegal orders that they are not necessarily bound to follow.
One of the other problems, the reason we're having this discussion at all, Mark just hinted at it is we've conflated military with domestic law enforcement.
And again, going into the cities of America, arguably with the principles of war, which are very different, completely apart from law enforcement, that's problem number one.
The other thing that Mark just accurately noted is this is a fundamental statement of the law.
If, in fact, whether you're domestic law enforcement or you're now in the streets of America, as a military, as a National Guard member,
And your a commanding officer tells you everything from break down that front door Because we just want to go in and see what's going on without a warrant without exigen circumstances That's a violation of the constitution and you need to say no if in fact your commanding officer says as we heard in the previous administration Just shoot at those protesters in the knees remember this the secretary of defense noting it in his memoir
That is a violation of the law, and it is the kind of thing that responsible law enforcement needs to turn down.
We've got judges, Sarah Ellis, right there in Chicago, establishing the same thing all the time with respect to what's going on in the streets of Chicago, a judge named Maim Frimpong, who's saying the same thing in Los Angeles.
You got to have reasonable suspicion to arrest.
These are simply people articulating the standards of law enforcement
that have been in place for 200 years.
And if you violate them, you're going to be in big trouble, not only in the moment, but also potentially down the road.
That's what they were saying.
Yeah.
And again, it is outrageous that the president would would respond to this.
I can go on about the violation of the First Amendment that he made yesterday.
But there's
also, Jim, I mean, the whole notion of how they're doing this, that, you know, the mask
police, the mass secret police aspect of it were or mark we've already seen as we expected their copycat instances where people are the victims of crime by people who are masked and identifying themselves as police or law enforcement agents when
decidedly are not
Sarah Ellis mentioned this judge in Chicago had to order them to actually have where identification because they weren't doing it.
You know, so we have the masked secret police who are not accountable, you know, roaming our streets, zip tying our children and tear gassing our neighborhoods.
So this is something, Jim, that I want to point out, based on what you said, we need to remember that the military and the police are here to protect us.
They're here to serve the American people.
They're not here to do the political bidding of Donald Trump.
That is not their duty.
It's not.
And these members of Congress were simply reminding people of that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And again, it is stunning that in 2025 and perhaps going into 2026, we need to have these basic civics lessons and identify how outside the box outside of any normalcy, these kinds of comments are, they should be hanged.
George Washington would do it.
They should be jailed.
No, Mr. President.
And that gets me to that point I was about to make, which is, you know, there is no right in America, including the right that attends the president to speak.
It is unconditional.
He has now incited violence.
He has incited violence.
And that is one of the limitations on the First Amendment.
It's the reason why he was not prosecuted for inciting violence on January 6th because he came right up to the edge.
But didn't say hang the vice president, kill the speaker of the house.
Now he has.
Mark, Mark, that was go ahead.
I was going to say it simply is going to incite somebody else to take it upon themselves and be violent because they figure, well, Trump will pardon me anyway.
Yes, and before the crazy people and you know that his homeland security has done the same thing in Chicago by calling out reporters by name and and and and you know one crazy person like you know Doxed one of the reporters after Homeland Security called him out by name But so I mean, but let's just just throw a reality check here if I had said about Donald Trump the exact
thing that he said about these members of Congress, would I expect to visit from the FBI today?
exactly.
We're talking to Mark Jacob and Jim Santel at 717 on this Friday, November 21st.
And Jim, to continue some of this extra legal material, we've got the
persecution, prosecution of a former FBI director, James Comey, where again, you had a court, a rational court, take a look at what the Trump Department of Justice is coming up with.
And I mean, I feel like they're no longer amused at the incompetence, but are ready to, in some way, shape or form, bring the hammer down on the level of incompetence that's come up with these attempts to prosecute for partisan purposes.
I'll make a prediction here early in the morning on a Friday that everybody who knows what this is about is predicting.
That is, these cases are going away.
And I hope that the judge who's presiding over this gets rid of them on all three grounds.
There's no authority for to act.
Number two, this has been victim prosecution.
And now we've got grand jury abuse.
And just to highlight once again, the speech, which is what we're talking about this morning, this United States attorney.
Lindsay Halligan went into the grand jury and according to the recitation of the the transcript by one of the magistrate judge there there said that the defendant in this case, pre-judicative defendant coming forward under the indictment, James Comey, does not in fact will not have a fifth amendment right.
Basically we can compel him to testify
completely a wrong statement of law and then compounds it by saying oh by the way as grand jurors you may choose to indict even if there are things that we haven't presented to you and oh by the way we've got more even better stuff and we're going to present this to you at trial those are wild not only misstatements that is those are wrong codifications of the law and you are instructing a grand jury on the legal basis for them to indict
That indictment is going to be thrown out.
And again, the United States attorney.
The chief federal law enforcement officer went into the grand jury and told them things that are unlawful, illegal, and unconstitutional.
Well, but
they're all perfectly legal if you're in a dictatorship.
And if you think that one person carries all the power, and that's certainly what they want to believe.
Jim Santel and Mark Jacob are with us.
We'll continue our weekend review discussions coming up in just a bit.
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Jennifer Scholes is off this weekend, getting a head start on the holidays here.
And guys, let's turn now, Mark, I don't want to forget your column here because as always, it's got a very intriguing title.
How the media
pardon political criminals, pardon in quotation marks, news outlets paper over the ugly pasts of right wing extremists.
I feel like the conversation we just had, bearing a serious story about having members of Congress executed on page 16, feeds nicely into asking you what this essay is all about.
Trump and his lackeys commit crimes.
The New York Times kind of gets bored about revinding people of that, and they stop reminding people of that.
Steve Bannon is a real good example.
You know, not just the New York Times, of course.
NBC called Steve Bannon, in a recent story, a populist who played a key role in Trump's political rise.
And ABC called him a MAGA podcaster.
NPR called him a sometime presidential advisor.
In none of those stories did they point out that he's an ex-con, that they point out that he had done time for refusing to answer Congress's questions, that he had been convicted in state court of defrauding people and that border wall scam that he pulled.
He's a criminal.
And they don't say that.
Instead, they act like he's some sort of like a wise policy advisor for the president.
And this is their form, the media's form of pardon.
They do the same thing with Roger Stone, who was convicted of lying to Congress.
They will quote Roger Stone in stories and not point out that he was convicted of lying to Congress, which is certainly relevant when you're quoting Roger Stone in your story.
And not to mention the president of the United States,
know the convicted felon when i'm not saying that every time they mention trump they need to say convicted felon but how about when he's accusing people other people of crimes and calling for them to be jailed shouldn't that have been used yesterday for example when he called on the members of congress to either be executed or jailed so so this kind of it's a pardon process in the media is the way i put it
Yeah, I mean, there's times I thought, well, wait, am I mentioning too often that the president is a convicted criminal?
And yet Jim Santel, I mean, that is what the record shows.
And his legal troubles are only going to reset, shall we say, on January 20, 2029, assuming we have a free and fair election and he's no longer president.
And just to underscore the point, those 34 counts, they are felony counts in New York.
They still attached to him.
He was basically given a sentence of no time, no incarceration, no penalty, but he is a convicted felon.
Need to affirm that on a regular basis.
He has appealed that.
Obviously, he always appeals everything that does not go his way.
He's also in the civil arena.
Remember, he's a sex offender too.
He raped a woman in the mid 1990s in a Bergdorf Goodman store.
And again, that too has been adjudicated by two juries, not in a criminal setting, but in a defamation setting, another violation of his of the First Amendment.
You do not have the right to say anything about anybody that is wrong, that you know is wrong, and you publish it to the world.
This president doesn't get it on any level.
And the criminality, again, Peter Navarro is another one inside the White House, again, a trade advisor, spent time in jail on the same thing that sent Steve Bannon to jail.
Criminal conduct adjudicated by the courts, and they're incarcerated.
These are the people that the president surrounds himself with.
He partakes of the same.
thing.
So Mark that takes us of course to the the case of Jeffrey Epstein the sexual predator and a bill that was passed after since you and I visited last there was that pretty incredible Trump flip-flop saying well let's go ahead and hold the vote on it and he signed the bill and
Again, I feel like even that was understated.
I mean, it was in the news, of course, but I mean, that was pretty much an earthquake that public pressure had forced Donald Trump to flip.
It simply raises the question, well, is he going to try other ways to block it now that he's had to sign that bill?
I mean, I'd be amazed if we see much of the Epstein files that they have.
You know, they're just not trustworthy.
And they score, you know, and Mike Johnson, like, was recessing the House of Representatives in order to avoid voting on Epstein and would not, you know, would not swear in a member of elected person who was supposed to be in Congress.
So they are tooth and nail trying to prevent the release of this.
And now Trump realized he was going to get this great erosion in his own party and he's increasingly disrespected.
I mean, you know, I say those things that think they're a lockstep for him, but
But you're starting to see big problems with him for the economy and everything else.
And in Epstein, everyone thinks that's a terrible thing.
The polls are overwhelming that this is awful and we need to know who was responsible.
Yeah.
And so he's not, he's, he's running, he's following the pack.
He's not leading the pack.
No, not, not in this instance.
And you wonder if it's going to be the preview of coming attractions.
Mark Jacob is here along with Jim Santel, our weekend review panel, which we will continue in just a bit.
Again, I'm Pat Kratlow from UpNorth News.
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Nice to have you all back here on this Friday morning, November 21st.
I'm Pat Crichtlow down here in Madison Studio A2 along with Parker Olson, who's producing things here.
We will get back to our weekend review panel in just a sec.
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All right, let's bring back in our Week in Review panel.
Jennifer Schultz, he's off this week, but we've got Mark Jacob and we've got Jim Santel back with us now.
And just a final note on the Epstein files, and then we've got plenty of other things to cover as well.
Jim, we're going to start with you just to again emphasize, I know we've said it several times, this whole thing about Congress needing to vote on a bill to force the release of these files from the Department of Justice.
None of this is necessary.
Donald Trump can can release this stuff with the wave of his hand, can't he?
The attorney general could do it from the day she was sworn into office.
And again, it is a charade to establish that there is some constitutional statutory requirement that before the Department of Justice releases files within its domain, there are policies about doing that.
Completely wrong.
This is what this president also does.
Proports to talk about the law.
Remember all the tax returns from the first term?
The IRS prevents me from releasing those.
No.
That is a misstatement of the law.
They are your tax returns.
You can produce them at any time, and we've never gotten them.
That is the continuing pattern of this president.
To establish something that does not exist, say that, well, I can't do this until others command me to do so, and then you do it.
It is misleading.
It is so cynical, once again, about his belief about the American people believing this when, in fact, it's not
it.
And Mark, I'm painting with a broad brush here, but I do feel like, personally, that still doesn't get mentioned enough in media, in news stories.
It's always about the X's and O's, the horse race of, will Congress vote this way or that way?
And leaving out the overarching thing of, none of this is really necessary if Trump and or Pam Bondi wanted to do the right thing.
And so they it's in the back of their head and they think everyone else knows it too and they don't that's why again That's why we're back to us saying that you need to remind people that Trump is a convicted felon sometimes and you need to remind people that Trump could just Release the Epstein files in total if he wanted to and and you know, he's had there've been reports He's yet as many as a thousand FBI agents scouring them to try to see how many references to Trump are in there So so they've got the they've got him prepped or they should have them prepped if they wanted to release them these
don't want to release them.
They don't want to release any information about Donald Trump's relationship with his longtime friend, the sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein.
And my concern, of course, is that if we do see a big release, we're going to notice a lot of things missing or redacted, a lot of the Mueller report.
So they're taking their time to try to whitewash what's in there as best they can.
Or here's the other alternative of this administration.
We see it all the time.
The courts, including this past week, we simply say no.
And we say, you know what?
Yeah, I signed the legislation, but it turns out once again that there are reasons why I can't do it.
In the end, I'm not going to do it.
And who is to enforce that?
The answer is no one in this time, and we do not have checks and balances.
Yep, that's Jim Santel, former U.S.
Attorney, which means I am duly obligated to ask you about the new U.S.
Attorney for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, one Brad Schimmel.
I don't know the extent to which you know.
each other or know of each other.
But I do know that when President Trump appointed Brad Schimmel, it did not happen through normal channels.
And Senator Tammy Baldwin had a lot of things to say about blowing up what had been a bipartisan process.
Once again, this is another interim appointment.
It's last for 120 days.
So again, we've got our own Eastern Virginia here, although we haven't
violated that yet.
There is a requirement of the Constitution.
At some point, the president nominate and the Senate confirm a presidentially appointed United States attorney.
I don't read Schimmel very well.
He was the district attorney in Waukesha County.
When I was the US attorney in Eastern Wisconsin, even before then, we were lawyers in law enforcement very much together.
We plainly have different views, frankly, about how law enforcement
should work and the focuses and processes and purposes of that.
This is a prosecutor at one point coined challenge coins that basically talked about kicking, I'll say,
an A word, right?
You're on morning radio.
That is not the role of law enforcement.
And that scares me an awful lot when we think about the qualities of a U.S.
attorney who should be all about justice and ensuring that safety and security is paramount.
We are not here to throw people in jail, kick their behinds and do things in a way that are contrary to the fundamental purpose of the United States Department of Justice in America.
But that's the thing we do is, you know, that they do is, again, try to create, you know, heroes and villains, you know, and there are no shades of gray.
And to that end, Mark, I'm switching gears here to talk about Wisconsin politics.
I don't know if you knew, speaking of heroes and villains, that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Zaron Mamdani are running for Congress in northern Wisconsin because there is a new pack that is running a quarter million dollar ad campaign on behalf of Sean
Duffy's son-in-law, who wants to run for Congress up here in northern Wisconsin.
And the ad, as described in reporting, features AOC and Mom Donnie.
Because again, it's tough to run a campaign on ideas.
It's a lot easier to turn people into villains.
I'm sure you see that around the Chicago area, too.
I mean, it's one of those things.
If you don't want to talk about anything that's actually happening in your area that you could actually do something about and care about, and that people care about scare tactics, you know, some, you know, people with names that are Anglo-Saxon, you know, anything you need to bring in, you know, I mean, what was the biggest campaign add of the last election?
It was about transgender rights.
And, you know, and it was a total scare ad, you know, and with Trump saying outrageously that people, that children were being taken to school and coming back to the different sex, which, which, I mean, he actually said that.
This is again, I can't believe people believed it.
Right.
And that was the biggest scare ad.
So scare ads, you know, tend to work, I think with some people at least.
And, and so, yeah, this, I'm not surprised to hear that the mom Donnie is
Not really going to pay attention to York City.
He's coming to Wisconsin to scare everyone there.
When the president US Attorney ran for Supreme Court, what did he run on that I'm going to be your Donald Trump?
in the Supreme Court.
He talked about enforcing Southwest border issues.
He talked about I'm not making that up.
I've still got the door hanger on this, all sorts of things.
We all know Supreme Court justices have nothing to do with and embraced Donald Trump.
and said, yes, you put me on the Supreme Court to decide major issues in this nation.
And Donald Trump will be right there with me again, whether it's the dog whistle, whether it's the invocation of things, relying upon people not to know better, that also is the cynicism, frankly, of the present US attorney.
who's in eastern Wisconsin now?
Well, I mean, when you have a Supreme Court that, you know, gives a wink and a nod and endorsement to racial profiling, once again, you know that we've got tactics that work for a certain subset of the population.
Mark, on another political note here, I think we've talked a lot this week about the Epstein files, but I think another theme from this week has been the economy.
And the shorthand that I would put on it is Donald Trump's comment about us being in a new golden age and
everything is so much better even though, you know, they inherited all this bad stuff from Biden.
It's a very up-as-down-down-as-up thing.
And again, I think he says golden age when gilded age might be the better description.
And I'm wondering if you think much like in the Epstein files, if you feel like people are looking at their pay stubs and they're looking at their grocery bills and they're saying, you know, I don't know that this Trump guy talking about the golden age is really being on the up and up.
Yeah, oh you use the word grocery because Trump's you said that grocery grocery is a new word that was invented Yeah, yeah, I guess that means something like stuff you get at the grow at the supermarket, but they This is again.
This is like the Epstein files in a way in that Trump can't lie this away.
I mean it's it's
People know that children were abused and raped by Trump's friend.
And they're not going to unlearn that.
And in the same way, they go to the grocery store every day.
They see what the prices are.
They remember what the prices were last year.
They know that, you know, coffee, for example, I'm a coffee fiend.
And boy, coffee has just been skyrocketing.
A lot of it because of stupid tariffs that Trump is doing to try to
help his fellow fascists down in Brazil.
People know that they're not they're not fooled about stuff That's right in front of their face that they see every day and so him lying and he's just day after day He's just lying and saying go prices are down boy prices early are down.
We've got all the prices down He thinks of these if he says it enough time everyone will believe it But instead they're going they're buying their food and they're realizing that it's not true And so it's not working for
right I mean there's a difference between if you say something enough times and you don't have exposure to it like
transgender athletes.
If you say that enough times, you're convinced that this is a big problem, but you can't do that with something that's tangible in front of people like their grocery bill.
Same tactic, but it's not going to work nearly as well.
Jim, you've got the weekend show amicus coming up Saturdays at 11.
We've barely scratched the surface of things that you might be covering this weekend.
And we're going to talk a bit more about the Supreme Court.
And GIT continues to be in business, of course.
And in that category of dog whistles, again, recognize that the Supreme Court participates in this, again, as well.
They've got a case on their dock.
It's called Hecoxon, and it involves, again, transgender sports.
just as they did last term, they too are highlighting this issue in a way that suggests that there is something to be a dangerous thing here, somebody to be concerned about, and that's the highest court in the land.
We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about the ways in which, the three ways in which the Comey and the Letitia James cases are going to be dismissed, and the question is just, hopefully all three of them, but which one of them gets there first?
Okay, Jim Santel again, you can watch Amicus, listen to Amicus across the Civic Media Radio Network Saturdays at nine.
It is replayed on Sundays.
Mark, I got a minute left and so I just want to ask a Chicago perspective on fish fries because we were talking about that earlier, you know, where's a good fish fry in your hometown?
Is that something you see readily in the Chicago area or is more like, you know, you've got the good steak restaurants and some of them put on a good fish dinner?
I will have to admit.
that it's pretty terrible, you know, compared to like, you know, you go to like the coasts or, you know, places where you actually fish and shellfish are caught.
And then it tastes a lot different than it tastes, you know, far away like here in Chicago.
It's not in the Chicago River, Mark.
You don't just go fishing.
No, not a lot of perch, not
a
of cod there
you eat.
Exactly.
Thank you guys, Mark, Jacob, Jim Santel.
Happy Thanksgiving.
We'll talk to you a little bit later on.
All right, take care.
We'll have them on our Black Friday show next week as well, so tune in for that.
Dr. Kristen Lyrely on the way.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
This is
the Civic Media Radio Network.
This is a cinnamon girl by Neil Young, if I remember right.
Good ear.
All right.
is.
Are we casting any aspersions on Dr. Lyrely?
Who joins us now?
Maybe she likes cinnamon.
I don't know.
Maybe she's, yeah.
Are you?
I did the cinnamon challenge once.
No, you didn't.
Oh, no.
No.
A little bit.
I did it with my son.
He did it like all the way, though.
Like three minutes of him trying to chew on that cinnamon.
You ever notice that the word challenge now is attached to things that
You
Yeah.
Yep, nobody to take the eat healthy challenge.
Nobody has the walk 10,000 steps in a day challenge.
It's just like, no.
No, they do.
They do.
People just don't.
It's not fun.
It's not spicy, spicy.
Yeah, it's not life-threatening like some of the other things that TikTok calls challenges.
Dr. Lyrely has not been on the program here for more than two minutes and a fight has already broken out about whether the best fish fry
is, is, well, in your, in your view, it's what?
Perch.
Perch.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause you know, out in your part of the state, there are people that swear by smelt, you know, gotta be that.
Um, or they just like an old fashioned cod.
Some people still serve haddock out there.
I don't know why.
Um, but you, you're a perch girl.
Green Bay in the valley, we're perch people.
I think you're going to find your smelt a little closer to like Michigan.
It's very regional.
Like it is very.
You gotta know where you are.
Yeah, yeah.
Tony making a plug for a Northwest Wisconsin fish fry.
Oh,
do tell.
Yep.
There's good places there.
Tony says you guys try that broccoli challenge.
No.
I mean,
if you're in Tony.
Yep, yep.
And I do like when I, again, having married into a family from Eastern Wisconsin where
When I say smelt, they just kind of look at you like, no, no, no, it's kind of like if you say Fond du Lac and they go, no, Fond du Lac, you know, you got to, you got to have the lingo for that's very specific to that area.
Much like Frank does.
I was
definitely, I was definitely in middle school before I knew Milwaukee had an L in it.
Yes, yes.
How
about you, Frank?
How do you say Milwaukee?
Frank.
Frank is frozen.
OK.
Yeah.
That's how we know you're not from here.
Well, that's how we know people are from Chippewa.
is if there's only the one little P and they're not two P, it's like Chippewa.
You're from Chippewa Falls.
So anyway, we're eating up valuable time when Frank could be giving us his usual
where he
scoured the headlines and is ready to tell us or quiz us on our knowledge of the week, Frank.
We do have a running score.
So last week, we're running the score now.
Oh, we're running the score now.
We're not reliably are tied at two points, Pat.
trailing behind them with only one point.
Let's see how many we can get through today.
Chadwick Boseman just received his star Hollywood Walk of Fame.
He famously portrayed which Marvel Avenger?
Black Panther.
Kristen!
It
Black Panther!
would you have accepted Peter Parker?
or Parker
Yes.
He's
mix of Peter Parker and Jimmy Olsen all wrapped into one.
Nope.
Oh, my gosh.
Spider-Man.
Jimmy Olsen, Jimmy Olsen, Superman.
I'm not related to him.
No, it stands for the Country Music Association.
that
And it was two nights ago.
Yeah.
Okay,
administration of that
Moving on.
I saw everything from the red carpet last night.
And so that's, that's where that came from.
Moving on.
Two time Academy Award-winning actor, Kevin Space, claiming he's homeless now and living in a hotel due to the financial stress caused from his previous sexual assault allegations.
Name one of the movies, Kevin's...
Oscar for six off one.
Kristen, go ahead.
The usual suspects.
correct.
See, and I got Tony on my side.
He puts on YouTube.
It's the CMA Awards.
So the Country Music Awards Awards.
See, thank you, Tony.
Appreciate that.
CMA.
CMA.
OK.
Parker.
Ooh.
Take it away.
football players turn murders.
many of
But yes,
must
Pat, look at you getting on the board today.
I'm proud of you.
I could easily right now with four points.
Pat now too.
It's our week in review quiz.
Last question.
Moving on to question number five.
Country singer Keith Urban caught some heat for performing Chapel Roan's hit song Pink Pony Club and an event in Mar-a-Lago.
Keith Urban is currently going through a divorce from which actress?
Kristen.
Nicole Kidman.
I
to buzz
it.
All right.
Well, Frank, what's the final scores here?
Where are we at?
Tortoise and the hair boys and girls at some point.
That's what it is.
All right.
Thank you, Frank.
Appreciate it.
Thank
going to be back.
We're going to talk about a few things in the news as we roll into our final hour on a Friday morning, November 21st.
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