Wait, You Mean He Lied? (Hour 1)

Across Wisconsin on Civic Media, you're listening to Mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

Now, from the Civic Media headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, here's the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Critello.

Hey, well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6.06 on a Friday morning, November 21st.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here.

Not physically up north, but always in an up north frame of mind.

from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or listening or watching on all the other platforms.

Thanks for starting the day right here.

I've got a question for you.

Uh, where's the best fish fry in your hometown?

We're going to be asking that throughout the course of the day.

I know most people like, well, wait, is it, is it lent?

That's when we always talk about fish fries, right?

But no, in this case, it's just part of our local's love section in our up North news daily newsletter.

And, you know, so Ellie Bordeaux, our newsletter editor in the past has said, you know, give us your favorite pizza joint, burger joint, you know, ice cream shop, I think was last week.

And this week she's asking about fish fries.

So, so are we.

So, we're just asking, where's a really good fish fry in your hometown?

We've got a few of those ideas that have already popped in.

Ellie put some in this morning's newsletter.

You can sign up for it over at upnorthnewswi.com.

We would love to have you tell us more about where you get yourself a good fish fry dinner folks watching on civic media or I'm sorry folks watching on social media Civic media social media video Parker Olson's right here in the room with me.

You can't tell but I was about to say People watching on Facebook or YouTube going.

Oh, wait, you look like you're in Lake with soda.

No, that's just a photo background because

Folks who've listened know that here in Madison Studio A2, the wall behind me looks much like a place where people are lined up and shot.

So we decided to go for something a bit more virtual today.

Mr. Olsen, how are you?

I'm worried you're going to get shot.

No.

I didn't know that was on the table.

It's just this plain blank wall.

Metal journalism instructor, Henry Lippold, always warned us against taking execution photos, meaning don't line up people against a wall and shoot them with the camera.

You know, actually put some scenery there.

So there's a little liquid soda behind me though, down here in Madison, just on my way to run some errands for the weekend here.

So it's nice to be here.

Nice to see Parker in person and get things rolling on a Friday here.

And in fact, I mean,

You know the routine for Friday.

We're going to have Courier Newsrooms, Keva Keel in here to talk about stories of the week.

We're going to have journalist Mark Jacob.

We're going to have former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, who probably has some thoughts on the new U.S.

Attorney for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, Brad Schimmel.

And we'll talk about that.

Dr. Kristen Lierly will be here.

But Mike Clemens, Mike Clemens sounded, I mean,

Mike knows we love him.

So when I say death warmed over, you know, that we, we mean it lovingly.

I was going to say a little weathered.

Uh, yeah.

Yeah.

Something like that.

So anyway, so he's, he's off here.

Uh, let's see.

We've, so we've got all the usuals, but I kind of want to just jump right into things here because Tom and Hartford's already on the text line telling us Glenda's near Lake Okeechee has a good fish fry.

Also homemade award winning pies.

So there you go.

We're getting fish fries and pies today.

Yeah, that all works.

Let's see from Alicia.

Wait, am I farther up north than you are today?

Yes.

Yes, Alicia.

You are the one up north.

Tony has hoop stock side in Bayfield is probably the best in the state.

Whoa.

Oh, strong words here.

Okay, hoop stock side in Bayfield.

All right.

And Alicia says, I love Tanners in Kimberly for a fish fry.

So that all works.

And then I believe, do we have Cindy in Appleton joining us here?

Cindy, are you on the phone?

this morning?

I am.

Hey, Cindy.

Good morning.

How are you?

Good.

Thanks.

How are you?

I'm great.

Thanks.

It's nice to make it to Friday and it's nice to be talking about dinner already at six 10 in the morning.

You want to tell me where you go for a good fish fry?

Then Abels of Holland Town, one of the best in the state.

They also have great steaks and a great chicken dinner on Sunday night.

That's in Holland Town.

What's the name of it again?

Then Abels.

All right.

God, I like that.

So what is it that makes it a good fish fry?

Cause we're going to be asking that question as well.

Is it the type of fish or what, what is it about it that makes it so good?

Well, to me, it's usually the breading and the deep frying of it because sometimes they get too dried out.

I like them when they're nice and, and still moist and there's not a lot of breading.

And of course, tartar sauce to me is what makes the fish.

And the novel says a good tartar sauce.

So

yeah, you got to love the ones that are the homemade stuff.

Not, not the stuff that falls off the back of the Cisco truck, you know, at every restaurant.

So yeah, anything that makes it homemade.

Cindy, thank you very much for checking in.

Have a wonderful weekend.

You

too.

Thanks, Mike.

All right.

Good to see you.

Good to hear from you rather 855-75-CIVIC, 855-752-4842.

So now that you've had some time to think about this, I mean, is, is the UW Whitewater community known for a good, good fish fry someplace?

Oh gosh.

I mean, I'm not a big fish fry guy.

Oh, that's right.

You were saying you remember April on April fools and somebody tried to pull off the fish fry ice cream.

I wasn't here yet.

Were you not here in April?

Oh, okay.

I just figured since you weren't a fish guy, maybe you'd go for fish fry ice cream.

But that sounds it was disgusting.

It sounds it does.

Yeah.

It does.

Yeah.

Okay.

So not another fish guy.

All right.

Well, as it just so happens, a good friend of mine, Jim Zanz, started a Facebook group years ago called Wisconsin Fish Fry Fandom.

And it is just a page dedicated for people to, you know, write in.

places to get a good fish fry and maybe put up some photos.

And Jim lives on, I don't know if it's Lake Minoman or just the Red Cedar River, but anyway, all the time he is posting photos of the walleye that he's catching.

And he knows fish fry.

So we're gonna have him in later this hour after today's history lesson and talk a bit about what makes a good fish fry and where he has found some of the best ones in the state.

Alicia, fish fry, ice cream sounds traumatic.

Yes.

Yeah, totally get it.

Let's see, Tony, not a fish fry guy, no coffee, water always.

It's so hard to relate to Parker.

Well, he is a, he isn't a Renaissance man that way.

You got your quick trip, your cup of your brewers mug that we got from the game.

Yeah.

Roger puts on Facebook, EML in Roselleville has a great fish fry.

That's good to know.

Uh, as far as, oh, when, when Tony said that hoop stock side in Bayfield is probably the best, he, he did a follow-up message.

Just ask Fred Clark.

He gets it.

Oh, there you go.

So if it's endorsed by Fred Clark, I mean, candidate for Congress up there in the seventh congressional district.

By the way, I didn't have time to look this up yet, but speaking of the seventh district and the former member of Congress, Sean Duffy.

I heard a story on the drive in here today in Madison that there, it started out well.

There was like some new public service announcement that's all about civility in the airlines and how, you know, once upon a time people actually, you know, put on a suit and tie or, you know, dressed up to fly.

Flying was like a big, fancy deal.

And

Then it from from what I could tell it shows clips of people fighting on airplanes people being rude on airplanes and it's all about how you know your manners don't end at the gate and How how much did I spout off yesterday about manners and etiquette and things like that?

And that would be be fine if it had just stopped right there, but apparently the secretary of transportation one Sean Duffy went on to

criticize people just can't criticize people for the way they dress when they get on airplanes and how we ought to dress up again and you shouldn't be getting on a plane in your pajamas.

Now look, even if you think that it's one thing for a schlep like me to say that on the radio for the US transportation secretary to say you guys look terrible.

When you get on the airplane, you're just inviting every passenger to go, who the hell are you?

Sean Duffy, guy that dances in his underwear on TV as a reality star to criticize how we dress.

When people get into their sweats to fly, especially when you got to get to the airport at 3.30 in the morning to get a flight out because of the TSA lines and everything else,

I'm not putting the tuxedo on.

I'm sorry.

I'm not.

And I've got some nice suits, but I'm not dressing up for you, Sean Duffy.

Nobody should.

We're flying.

The behavior part, spot on.

Love it.

Can't say it enough.

Um, fashion police?

No, Sean.

That's, uh, stay in your lane.

Weird hill.

Weird hill to get on.

It really is.

Yep.

Um, Tony would like to make clear he is not putting words in Fred Clark's mouth.

He just believes that they would.

agree on fish fries.

Let's see, from Walt, Maple Tree Supper Club in McFarland, 20 to 30 people lined up to enter by 3.30 for their four o'clock opening.

Beer and lightly battered is tops along with their salad bar.

I got to write all these down.

This is so good.

I mean, that's not that far from here, Pat.

No, it's not.

You can hit that up on your way back.

Yeah.

It reminds me of what I said the other day about the Eshnales supper club in Wisconsin-Dales, how, you know, like an hour before it opens, there's 40, 50 people waiting in line for that.

And we get none of that up north.

We get next to none of that.

Really?

No.

I mean, well, here's the thing.

If there is a wait, you don't wait in line, you go to the bar.

You know, now this is, I know, well, let's talk about that.

They haven't even opened yet, but I don't know that I've seen a place with a line up North before they even open.

Um, you know, at some point you just come in because there's plenty of bar stools and you have your old fashioned and I'm so tempted to play the Jason Kelsey thing again.

I had seven spotted cows and then another old fashioned.

Which, I mean, you know, in Chippewa County, that's Saturday night, you know?

That's just how we roll.

Little prime rib, some chicken wings.

There's your Jason Kelsey special.

And yet, despite being as large as a football player, I do not play football.

It's just simply the chicken wings and the fried fish that did it.

Anyway, so we love these recommendations that are coming in and let's see, I want to make sure I don't miss any.

Oh, here's Jim from Brookfield.

And Jim, thank you for the nice note earlier.

I will respond to that one.

He says, the red mill in Brookfield has an excellent fish fry.

The red mill is a traditional supper club going back to the late fifties, right in the middle of suburban Brookfield.

Back in the early days, Eddie Matthews and some of the Milwaukee Braves would stop in.

Oh, cool.

That's outstanding.

Which gets to this, when he talks about it being right in the middle of the suburb of Brookfield.

Again, once upon a time, Brookfield was like way out of town.

You know, when everybody lived in Milwaukee, when the suburbs hadn't begun creeping, you know, farther and farther out that way.

So it's nice to still see the few supper clubs that are left.

I mean, the ones that are in cities and things, they're not around as much as they used to be Eau Claire.

Used to have a couple of nice ones right in town.

There was staff knees, there was Austin's White House.

You know what, in a related note, while I'm mentioning those, if you want to RIP, like some great supper club or restaurant that's not around anymore, and I should probably save it for a separate day, but if it was a place that had a good fish fry, you can throw that out there too.

We can remember the places that had them in the past.

Anyway, my point about supper clubs is this.

Our new executive producer, Frank, and we'll hear from him later on with his weekly quiz here, among others, is like, what exactly defines a supper club?

And the answer might surprise some people, but I always say it's the relish tray.

You know, you get this thing with pickled herring, carrot sticks, breadsticks, maybe some radishes on there.

You're not getting that anyplace else.

And it just,

it underscores the family style aspect of this, that you've got your old fashions, and then you got your relish plate, you might get a basket of bread, and then you're gonna get your cheese curds maybe that come in.

So it's not a seven course fancy restaurant, but things are gonna come in waves, and then eventually the broasted chicken, or the ribs, or the fish fry, and I mean, it is just...

and experience.

And it's an experience unlike anything else.

And I wouldn't trade any of it for the world.

All right, we'll talk more about your favorite fish fry places, 855-755-CIVIC, 855-752-4842.

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We're going to talk about the week's headlines with Courier Newsroom's Kia Vakil coming up in just a sec.

First, the show In Spirit comes to you from the heart of America's up north, but today we're in Madison.

I'm Pat Rightlow.

This is

the Civic Media Radio Network.

Nice to have you back on this Friday morning.

Heading into the weekend with Currier Newsroom's national political editor, Kia Vakil, who's back in his home stomping grounds in the Philadelphia area.

How are you, Kia?

I am well, Pat.

How about yourself?

Good.

Good.

It seems to me the things that need to be reviewed when you look back at this week will, of course, be the big flip-flop by Trump and the Republicans in Congress on the Epstein files.

And Donald Trump's ability to try to convince people this is not the recession you're looking for.

Who's he selling this to?

Really gullible people.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that anyone outside of like, you know, the very wealthy can look at the economy and say it's working for them.

You know, the stock market's done well all year, but that's been driven by, you know, five

AI companies in a trench coat, it's not a real, like most companies are not showing gains.

I believe it's like 80% or not, if I remember correctly.

And now we're even starting to see the stock market kind of shake a little bit.

But yeah, you have job hiring slowing, you have loan delinquency payments or loan payments, delinquency rising, every under the hood sign is

is blinking red right now and has been for quite a few months and you know Trump a lot of that not all of it but a lot of it has to do with Trump's tariffs which are obviously inflationary and you know the rest of it has to do with a lot of

Bigger problems in this country that he's done exactly zero to solve and now we're gonna send healthcare costs skyrocketing in January Which will certainly make the problem much much worse And you know we have a president who is grifting in every possible way there is to grift and Is so cartoonishly corrupt that there aren't even words for it anymore?

So yeah, that's sort of the state of play economically.

Yeah, well, look, we did finally get the numbers for September, and they showed a rather weak 119,000 jobs.

And if I saw it correctly, they're basically not even going to pretend to do an October report, which I guess makes sense when you talk about a group that promised more transparency, but they fired the last person who gave bad numbers.

So

maybe you just

don't put out any numbers at all it seems if you don't want what's the old saying in medicine if you don't want to find a fever don't take the temperature

yeah i mean the problem with that is is there's a lot of private uh reports and numbers out there and so obviously they're not as reliable as what the government puts out but i also don't know that you could say the trump administration like that you fully trust the job administration so on what they put out so also it's we saw the biden and you know administration try to

Convince people that their daily material reality wasn't what they felt it was and so I don't think that's really an effective way to govern this country to like Pretend like there aren't problems and tell people they're crazy, which is essentially Trump's plan You see him get really angry at reporters.

You see him complain about people complaining about the economy It's the same mistake the Biden team did which is they did they did not take it seriously until it was too late And I mean Trump's obviously a bit of a lame duck, but

Um, it's not a great sign for Republicans that he can't admit that there are problems in the economy.

No, I mean, it took this long to admit that, you know, the public was not going to let the the Epstein files thing go.

And so last weekend, you know, he did this abrupt flip flop and pretty much every Republican fell into line on that vote.

So now he has signed the bill.

So when I say, what do we look for next?

It seems to me the only

two options are some kind of a mass dump of information to try to just, you know, flood the zone as they say, or you try the next brick wall where you put out a bunch of heavily redacted stuff and you say, well, you know, we've got that new investigation going on and with an ongoing investigation, we can't really tell you anything.

If you were gonna, do you think either one of those is the more likely scenario?

I tend to think they're going to not release.

Obviously, we have the sham investigation that Trump has DOJ to launch into some of the Democratic affiliated names and the emails that were released.

And I tend to think that's just a way to prevent the actual release of these files.

Because if there's an ongoing investigation, DOJ can not release some of these files.

And so that's my theory that they're either going to just

like slow walk it till it dies or try to I don't think that'll be effective this is a this is a the Epstein files has been a thing in our culture for six years now um and so it has legs um but yeah I I mean look I could be wrong maybe they'll actually release them all um but at every step of the way

Trump has acted so shady that I tend to think he's trying to somehow get ahead of this now and try a different strategy than just objecting and maybe shift blame to DOJ somehow.

And then last thing I want to get on is Robert Kennedy Jr.'

's Department of Health and Human Services and some new language.

Well, briefly.

And here's the reason why.

Yeah, they've changed some of the language about vaccines on the website.

And

You know, tell me if I'm dreaming this, but I do believe that Senator Bill Cassidy, Republican of Louisiana, you know, said he was only voting to confirm Robert Kennedy Jr.

after he promised not to change language on the website about vaccines and autism.

So my question for you, Kia, is does Senator Cassidy now call for Robert Kennedy Jr.'

's removal or does he just look like one more person who got played by somebody in a fellow Republicans administration?

I think giving him credit for getting played is going too far.

I think Cassidy knew exactly what he was doing.

He put on a show for the press to pretend like

He still has credibility as a doctor, but you don't confirm RFK without knowing who RFK is.

There was an abundance of evidence before he voted of who this man is and what he would do and what he believed.

That is all borne out.

It's been worse than we expected, but not by that much.

We all knew who RFK was in the press.

Bill Cassidy, a doctor, certainly should have known and did know.

So I think that's BS.

I don't think he's going to call on him nor resign.

I think Bill Cassidy fears a primary firm is right more than a general election.

And I think it's all a show.

And by the way, if you happen to notice a fruit basket in his office, chances are it was sent by Susan Collins with a note saying, I too am concerned that something's happening.

So concerned and troubled, concerned and troubled though heaven forbid I do anything about it.

It's time once again for today's history lesson on mornings with Pat Cranklow.

To all who've come to this happy place, welcome.

Ladies and gentlemen,

the Beatles!

That's one small step for man.

Well, I'm not a

crook.

Do you believe in miracles yet?

You know, this depression is gonna be so great.

We'll be the ones eating the cats and the dogs.

That's gonna be fun.

Once again, it is time to take another revealing peek back into history.

Alright, let's get today's history lesson rolling with the number one song from this day in 1961.

It was by Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs.

I know you've probably heard the Jackson Brown version later on, but it was the number one song this day, 64 years ago, and it was still the shortest ever number one song.

This record ran one minute and 37 seconds.

It was every disc jockey's dream.

who had to back time their music block to the top of the hour news.

You loved those things back in the day.

Hey, look, it's Friday.

We are joined once again on our history lesson on Fridays as always by Greg War, Iljanovic, Baktoberfest.

Mr. Bach, hello.

Good morning.

Happy Friday.

Happy Friday to you, Patrick.

Crite low.

It's

Friday.

It's the end of the week.

It's fine.

How are

you?

Good

morning, gentlemen.

Yeah, good morning.

You know, before we get too deep in this, we're going to talk more in our next segment about Friday fish fries.

It's our question of the day, but I don't want to forget if anybody you want to give a particular shout out to when you got to have a fish fry.

Oh my gosh.

Probably two specific ones.

Ron's cozy corner.

in the Milwaukee Southeastern Wisconsin area.

And of course, my baby Lakefront Brewery.

Oh, of course.

Okay.

It's a wonderful, wonderful fish fry, but there's lots of selections, especially around where I live.

But yes, those two are, those stick out.

So many.

And, oh, Maurice Williams has done singing.

I guess, I guess we got to move on.

That's the problem with those short records.

All right.

Well, we'll move up to 1970.

This was the number one song in the land.

Everybody over a certain age is starting to sing and embarrassing their children.

Everyone who is an older brother when this came out is like, this song is fine.

It's a good song.

I mean, I wouldn't buy the

record.

Clearly enough people did with the Partridge family.

It might have had something to do with Susan Day being one of the characters on there But anyway, I think I love you by the Partridge family.

I think it has less to do with her than more about it the guy singing the song

I

don't

know.

You had fans of all genders there.

You also had others were looking at miss missus Partridge Shirley Jones over there and going hey, how you doing?

single mom

Okay.

Around that same time that the Partridge family was airing, there was that girl on TV and actress Marlowe Thomas in the lead role.

She's been married to Phil Donahue for a long, long time now and she's 88 years old today.

And while you're feeling old about things from the late 60s, Goldie Hawn from Laugh In and actress in many other movies since then.

Goldie Hawn is 80 years old today.

Academy Award winning Goldie Haas.

Yes.

Yeah.

Take nothing away from her and Kate Hudson's mom for those folks who haven't made that connection yet.

And then singer Bjork is 60 years old today.

I don't know anything else about Bjork except that one weird swan dress.

That's all I know.

You should just look at Google when you have a chance.

This is perfectly like family friendly too.

It's nothing.

Okay.

Look at Bjork explains a television.

New

York enjoys explains

a television.

All right.

Yeah.

That one away.

It's just a little different.

I was talking like this about the television.

All right.

Now I'm intrigued.

All right then.

I do hate to do this to everybody.

I apologize now, but it is Friday.

It's kind of a good Friday tune kind of and it's on the birthday list.

So I'm obligated to tell you that Carly Ray Jepsen turns 40

today.

Is Greg doing the robot?

I

thought he was going into a little 6-7 dance there or something.

Oh, boy.

Well,

there's your earworm for the day, everybody.

You thought you'd gotten rid of it.

You cannot control or delete the song once it gets in your head.

It's a solid

track, good for dance, and great for weddings or just events.

Yeah, it's only sin was being grossly overplayed at the time.

Yes, it screams 20.

12.

Yes.

So look at Parker being an old man.

Oh, that's so long ago.

That's so me middle school.

On this day at 1877, Thomas Edison announces his invention of the phonograph, a machine that can play a record and you can hear sound coming out of the machine.

What kind of wonders of technology would result from that?

He says,

let's hook this up to an elephant, see if it kills

it.

No, that was a different story.

Different story, not the phonograph.

No, same guy, just the same guy.

Oh, I know, I know.

Oh God.

Tommy, what are we doing?

On this day in 1980, Steely Dan released their seventh studio album.

No, not Groucho for Marks.

It was called Goucho.

And here's one of the singles.

Gouch also included Hay 19, Babylon Sisters, and more.

Steely Dan released it 45 years ago today.

On this day, 30 years ago today, Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day was busted for dropping his pants and mooning the audience at a concert in Milwaukee.

He would pay a fine of $141 and didn't come back to Milwaukee for many, many years, but.

I saw them in Milwaukee one year and they were it was amazing show.

It was an amazing show.

Oh, I I don't doubt that for a minute

Why does this always happen in Milwaukee?

Didn't um,

why didn't George

Carlin?

No, he got

arrested at Summerfest for

doing it

for doing standup in 1974.

I think it was, but I'm sure someone on the live stream will correct me.

Yeah, he did his seven joke or seven words.

You can't say on the air.

He did that in public outdoors

at

Summerfest and got pulled and got.

drag to jail.

There's a picture of it.

You can, you can Google that next too.

I remember Bjork explains television, George Carlin

arrest Milwaukee.

There you go.

So if you, if you say the seven dirty words while doing the big gig, you could end up in the big house.

So

there you go.

Greg is

going to say them now.

All right.

Number one, number one song this day at 1981 was by Olivia Newton, John.

Does anybody want any leg warmers lately?

Anybody?

Nope.

Again, a song that was maybe overplayed a little bit at the time.

Was it?

Oh, yes.

I don't know.

Oh yeah, this song was overplayed Parker.

But she was one of the biggest acts on the planet

in the

early 80s.

Yes.

They gave her a movie and they were like, oh, this is a bad idea.

George

Carlin was arrested in 1972.

I knew it was 72, but I doubted myself.

Okay, gotta go with your gut, man.

Anyway, Physical was the number one song for 10 weeks, making it the biggest hit of 1981.

The original Rocky movie premiered in New York City on this date in 1976.

So next year will be the 50th anniversary of Rocky.

That's crazy.

And guess what we're gonna get?

What?

a movie about how they made the movie Rocky.

Yeah.

Of course we are.

Good prediction.

Oh, man.

Let's see.

Up to 1987, it was actually a remake and oldie by Billy Idol.

That was the number one song.

Now the interesting thing about this is that Billy Idol's Moni Moni replaced Tiffany's, I think we're alone now at number one on the chart this week in 1987.

Both of those songs were originally done by your member Greg Bach, Moni Moni and I think we're Tommy James and the Chandels.

Yes, very good.

You get a gold star.

Yeah.

I listened to the radio in

the

80s.

Yay.

And if you were listening in 1990, every so often a sappy love song would come on and take the top of the charts.

And in 1990, 35 years ago today, the new number one song was by James Ingram.

I sense Greg has thoughts.

James Ingram only made powerful love songs.

He just, he had so much emotion to give to the world.

He

did.

I really liked his voice.

Yes.

Let's see.

Tony's telling us, we went through a box of my dad's old stuff at my grandma's house and it was so many Olivia Newton John records.

And it

was all just, it was all just physical.

Bunch of copies

of physical.

Very surprised you listened to anything but country.

Although Olivia Newton-John did start with a little country in her.

She won.

She won.

Best country artist.

That's

right.

When she debuted in America, she was a country artist in what's called country politics, which was a more washed out version of the Nashville sound, which

You guys got it a couple of hours.

I can talk about that.

We got

three of them.

I just remember Nashville was their hair was on fire.

This woman from Australia is the best country singer of the year.

The sacrilege.

Somehow Nashville lived on on this day in 1992.

Adam Sandler sang the Thanksgiving song on Saturday Night Live for the first time.

I'm sure that'll be played next week a few times in the year 2000, 25 years ago

today.

The

number one single was by Destiny's Child.

We have got to get a disco ball for the studio and Racine there at Radio Park.

He

is

dancing a lot.

Just for Greg on Fridays,

let the man dance.

Love Destiny's

Child.

This was from the Charlie's Angels movie Reboot with Lucy Liu, Cameron Diaz, and Drew Barrymore.

Lucy Liu, the who?

No, not Cindy Luhu.

Oh, Cindy Lucie.

Lucie Luhu.

Just a great campy movie.

I don't know that the sequels after that were that great, but I really did like the first one.

I don't know, Greg, maybe you didn't see it.

He's pleading not guilty.

I don't know anything about it, but I

have

no idea.

On the National Day Calendar today, Parker.

It is Gingerbread Cookie Day.

It seems very early.

Gingerbread Cookie Day.

Are we a gingerbread cookie fan down there, Mr. Buck?

Maybe like one, but I can't overdo that stuff.

It just gets to be, it's, thank you.

That's fair.

I'll enjoy one for the holidays.

One of my daughters makes kind of a gingerbread molasses.

I don't know if the ginger snaps, maybe they're called, but oh my goodness, they're just addicting.

I hope she's making those this weekend.

I'm heading out to see her from here.

So if you're listening, dear,

Clear up the oven.

What else we got for today?

It is also a national stuffing day.

National

stuffing day.

Oh, that's a topic.

It is,

isn't it?

That's a topic.

That really is a topic.

Okay, well, good.

You got a little time, Greg.

Stuffing, go.

Huge fan, don't ever put cranberries in my stuffing, don't make it sweet, I don't want anything sweet in my stuffing.

And water chestnuts, what are you doing in there?

You're not, stop it, just stop it.

Just stop it.

Good spicy sausage in there, very nice.

Oh yes.

I get Andouille sausage or, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Yes, yes.

He's got good thoughts on

it.

And you pack it together and you make a turkey sandwich with it.

That's if you're feeling real weird.

You know, then there's, yeah, the people that are making like leftover turkey, Thanksgiving leftover like pizzas or what is it?

They're doing all kinds of weird things with the leftovers.

Oh, you put, you mix it all together.

You put it in like a waffle iron and you make something out of that.

Yeah.

Something you

can do.

People just getting out.

It's getting out of hand here.

All

right.

Our question of the day here is where's a great fish fry?

in your hometown.

And I got an expert.

Jim Zanz, who does the Facebook page Fish Fry fandom, is going to join us to talk all about that as well.

And of course, we'll take your input at 855-75-CIVIC-855-7524842.

You can use that Civic Media app to call us or text us or record a voice note or jump in the comment sections of Facebook and YouTube.

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Network.

Just sit down and like...

6.52 on this Friday morning.

Parker Olson is down here in Madison.

I'm in Madison too.

Studio A2.

Greg Bach is over at Radio Park in Racine.

You can hear him for a matinee on air, along with Jane Matinee, coming up from 9 to 11 today on the Civic Media Radio Network.

And we're joined in this segment by my friend Jim Zanz, who has a Facebook page.

He and about a million other people who love a good fish fry called Wisconsin Friday Fish Fry Fandom.

Again, Wisconsin Friday Fish Fry fandom all about the goodness that is the Wisconsin Fish Fry.

Mr. Zanz, how are

you?

It's unusual being up this early in the morning, but I'll always get up early to talk about fish.

Because you are on Tanger Lake?

Yeah, tainter lake and north of the nominee and You know Jim and I go way back to college and and now he he lives out there If you're familiar with the area, he's the guy with the caboose in the front yard He he was living the dream of a lot of us He actually did purchase an old caboose and it's his office space in there, which we're jealous of what about eight months out of the year Yeah, not winter so much, you know

Well, it's it actually can get pretty toasty in there with a proper amount of oil filled radiator.

There

you go.

So and Jim loves to go fishing.

He's he's posting all the time from his his walleye catches, making us a little bit crazy.

But it's

this is the perfect time of year.

This is when the walleye come in shallow at night and there's nothing nothing like fishing out when it's pitch black outside and all you can hear are

geese and coyotes and owls, and then you catch

fish.

And many of them, and it turns out you're a fish fry, fishianado as well.

How did that, is the page something that you helped creator, you just are one of their biggest promoters?

No, I created it because I thought it'd be a good idea because people would always ask me where do you go for a fish fry when you're out in Wisconsin and so I thought I'd create it and then I was kind of shocked that it Seemed to get follower after follower and now there's over 2,000 people that are are following it night I there's a lot of restaurants that post to it,

but I

really try to encourage people that share your own

pictures.

When you go out, people want to, you know, don't, you know, bash places, but be honest about what was good about what you had and where you went and why it was good or what didn't quite hit the mark.

And Greg and Parker, the nice thing about this, of pages like this, that, I mean, the dumpster fire that is social media by and large, you get these pages and people just want to put good stuff on there, Greg, that people actually want to share where to go to get a good meal.

Yeah, I mean that's kind of weird like and it's got it's it's It's both refreshing and then you have to sit there and go.

Oh, this is a nice page.

This is nice

I don't

have to be the snarkiest one in the room.

This feels so wonderful

Well, that's just it when somebody does put a snarky comment up on a page like that.

You're like, dude, what are you doing?

Get out of here.

This isn't where that is so Well, okay, Jim

I mean, it'd be like asking you to pick your favorite child, and I know which one is.

But, you know, all the fish fries, I mean, I don't even know how you begin.

Do you tend to recommend something close to home, or is there a place that if you could, you would drive that 100 miles, you know, more often to get it?

What comes to mind when I say, tell somebody the best of the best?

Well, there's a couple that are, I mean, there are some that are local, like here in my backyard.

I really love Jake's Supper Club, just does a good job.

and and you know when we were setting up for this you kind of asked me what what makes a good fish fry

right

and there's a there's a lot of choices and I'd say here in Wisconsin it's it's almost always cod you do have a lake trout lake trout and then of course there's smelt you know early in the year too but and if there are a lot there's lots of bad cod out there yes so

When places do a good job with cod, you really got to say, OK, you made cod really good and flavorful.

Jake Supper Club, Northman Omni here on Tainter Lake does a great job with their cod and their side.

And it's really reasonable and cheers.

You know, they're kind of like a cheers place.

You walk in, even if you don't know somebody, you're going to know somebody by the end of the day or end of the evening if you sit at the bar.

So that's a great one.

So.

And then if you want to get off the beaten path, one of my absolute favorites is Sportsman's Bar in Ridgeland has walleye.

They have their own homemade cheesy potatoes that are to die for.

In fact, get there early because they run out of the cheesy potatoes every time and they do their own homemade coleslaw that is extra creamy and rich, not as vinegary, which is kind of

It's what I like is the the creamier stuff.

So and then you mentioned like a place that I would drive like an hour and a half to two hours to and that's the Monarch public house in Fountain City on the Mississippi River because it's not just

The food it's also just the the atmosphere and the the proprietor and John Harrington runs the monarch public house in Fountain City and that's been I think that's been a business since the building was built in the 1800s so you can you get a lot of history when you go in there he makes the some of the best muddled.

old fashions that you'll ever have.

And then he does walleye as his fish there.

And John can tell you all sorts of fun stories about the river.

About the history of the area.

So that that one is really worth the drive.

I

gotta

ask

you

though from a walleye

standpoint I'm it is so good, but I'm so hesitant because there's you know, it can be rather bony and yet I've also read It's possible to do walleye and have it not be bony But you know, you got to know just how to do it you catch a lot of walleye is is there in fact a trick tutors or small bones just the risky take

No, Walleye's easy.

You think you're thinking of Northern Pike.

Northern Pike is the bony one where you have to get around the Y bone to get around it.

And I love Northern Pike.

I don't think I've ever seen it on a on a fish fry menu because it is so difficult to clean but um there and this is where YouTube can be your friend again with like social media because I I found some great videos on how to perfectly clean a northern pike and I've done it.

I see it can't be see Greg that's what we're going to do maybe next Friday is we'll just set up a layout a bunch of fish in our respective studios and we'll work on

this.

Boy, can't wait to reschedule that one.

Our coworkers will love that.

Look for Wisconsin Friday Fish Fry fandom on Facebook.

Jim Zons, thanks so much.

Good to catch up with you.

Greg, thank you as well.

Have a great start to the weekend.

We will continue things here from Madison Live on the Civic Media Radio Network, right after the news.

I'm Pat Critello.

Now, live from Civic Media Studios in Madison, here's the founding editor of Up North News, Pat

Prytlo.

Putting Dr. Lirely to work is finally getting an honest days paycheck out of us.

I didn't know she gets paid.

She does not.

And I'll remind her of that when she's here a little later on this hour.

Welcome back.

Nice to have you here.

Normally up north, but today down in Madison, along with Parker Olson, producing this Shindig down in Madison Studio A2.

If you're watching on social media going, you guys don't look like you're in the same room.

Nope.

It's because I have a very plain wall behind me.

So we've got the virtual background.

So we've

got

the lake with soda look.

Mine is so well decorated.

Yours is decorated with a civic media banner and.

nothing

else.

That is

the only thing on the walls.

And that was your entire

room.

Hey, you know, baby steps,

baby steps.

Very small.

Six months later, six months from now, we're going to put something else up on the wall.

It's going to be great.

It'll be a post-it.

It'll

say up north news.

So the aforementioned Dr. Lyrely will be along later this hour, along with our weekly news quiz.

Frank will be along for that.

And then Dr. Lylee will talk more in our next hour about a particularly disturbing story.

It's about what some Wisconsin legislative Republicans want to do to further harass women at one of the most vulnerable times of their life.

I'd never heard of something called a catch kit, but

These are legislators who want women who have a miscarriage to have to collect the tissue and bring it to a doctor's office in a medical waste bag because they're so concerned, they say, that, you know, abortion-inducing drugs might get into the groundwater supply.

I can't even believe they're saying that with a straight face, but we're gonna talk to Dr. Leighly about that.

One hour from now along with other things that have to do with

politicians who just don't want to leave women alone to control their own bodies.

But for now, at 7.08, we're going to turn our attention to our Week in Review panel.

Well, two-thirds of it anyway.

Jennifer Schulze is off this week.

Got to get an early start on the holiday weekend.

And so let's bring in former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, and let's bring in journalist Mark Jacob, a former editor at the Chicago Tribune, and who also now has Stop the Presses, which you can get at stopthepresses.news.

the column this week, how the media pardoned political criminals, news outlets paper over the ugly pasts of right-wing extremists.

And Jim, of course, has amicus, a law review.

You can hear that Saturday mornings, 9 to 11, across the Civic Media Radio Network.

Gentlemen, good morning.

Good

morning, good morning.

Nice to have you both here.

No shortage of things that we're going to get into today.

Not the least of which, Mark, we'll start with you and then we'll go to Jim, but as you both kind of talked about the things you've been following this week, you both followed the wonder of a sitting president essentially threatening members of Congress with execution.

And again, this tendency of the media to say, ah, you know, that's just Trump being Trump.

Although normally, Mark, that would be head, that would be, you know, above the fold, you know, big typeface.

Obama threatens to kill reporters or have reporters executed.

Mark, you look at the New York Times.

How did, how did they take this very serious thing that a sitting president did?

Well, they had a very little, any bitty paragraph.

About at the fold of page one referring to their story which they put on page 16 16 and

61

6 and And you know, so they're I mean it's

It's just mind-blowing to think that the president of the United States is threatening to execute members of Congress, but that's exactly exactly what he did yesterday.

And

let's back up and give the, you know, what was the context of it?

Because what he said about those members of Congress was for something that they said, and the thing that they said was perfectly reasonable,

especially in

an era of potential dictatorship.

Right.

So these are members of Congress Democrats a handful about and they are all veterans of either the CIA or the military and you know, and they did a simple video saying telling two troops and to the CIA officers intelligence officer saying you'd

are obligated to not follow illegal orders, do not follow illegal orders.

And this is like a longstanding principle in all civilized countries.

I mean, it really came to a focus after World War II in the Nuremberg trials where people tried, the Nazis tried to say, well, I was just following orders and they said, no, no, no, no, you can't follow illegal orders.

So you're responsible for what you do.

So this is not something that these Democrats just invented this week.

So they said that because we're about to,

under a war in Venezuela for who knows why and you know and they're he's sending troops to American cities so it's pretty darn irrelevant right now and so they did this video and it infuriated the Trump people and that's when he said it was a sedition and punishable by death.

Yeah and and Jim Santel I mean we're we're aware even in in more recent history you know the Milai massacre in Vietnam and of course Abu Ghraib during the the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan that

You know, there are things that our men and women in uniform are sometimes commanded to do.

And this, uh, this was away from a legal standpoint to let them know that, I mean, they learned from the very beginning that there, there are, there are illegal orders that they are not necessarily bound to follow.

That's absolutely right.

One of the other problems, the reason we're having this discussion at all, Mark just hinted at it is we've conflated military with domestic law enforcement.

And again, going into the cities of America, arguably with the principles of war, which are very different, completely apart from law enforcement, that's problem number one.

The other thing that Mark just accurately noted is this is a fundamental statement of the law.

If, in fact, whether you're domestic law enforcement or you're now in the streets of America,

as a military, as a National Guard member, and your commanding officer tells you everything from break down that front door, because we just want to go in and see what's going on without a warrant, without exigen circumstances.

That's a violation of the Constitution, and you need to say no.

If in fact your commanding officer says, as we heard in the previous administration, just shoot at those protesters in the knees, remember this?

the Secretary of Defense noting it in his memoir, that is a violation of the law and it is the kind of thing that responsible law enforcement needs to turn down.

We've got judges, Sarah Ellis right there in Chicago, establishing the same thing all the time with respect to what's going on in the streets of Chicago, a judge named Maim Frimpong.

who's saying the same thing in Los Angeles.

You got to have reasonable suspicion to arrest.

These are simply people articulating the standards of law enforcement that have been in place for 200 years.

And if you violate them, you're going to be in big trouble not only in the moment, but also potentially down the road.

That's what they were saying.

Yeah.

And again, it is outrageous that the president would

would respond to this.

I can go on about the violation of the First Amendment that he made yesterday.

But there's

also, Jim, I mean, the whole notion of how they're doing this, the, you know, the masked police, the mass secret police aspect of it, or Mark, we've already seen, as we expected, there are copycat instances where people are the victims of crime by people who are masked and identifying themselves as police or law enforcement agents when

they

decidedly are not.

Right or not identifying themselves at all because the authorities are not identifying themselves Sarah Ellis mentioned this judge in Chicago had to order them to actually have wear identification because they weren't doing it, you know So so we have the mask secret police who are not accountable, you know roaming our streets Zip tying our children and tear gassing our neighborhood So so this is the thing Jim that I want to point out based on what you said

We need to remember that the military and the police are here to protect us.

They're here to serve the American people.

They're not here to do the political bidding of Donald Trump.

That is not their duty.

It's not.

And these members of Congress were simply reminding people of that.

Right, Jim.

Here.

Absolutely.

And again, it is stunning that in 2025 and perhaps going into 2026, we need to have these basic civics lessons and identify how outside the box, outside of any normalcy, these kinds of comments are.

They should be hanged.

George Washington would do it.

They should be jailed.

No, Mr. President.

And that gets me to that point I was about to make, which is, you

know,

there is no right in America, including the right that attends the president to speak.

It is unconditional.

He has now incited violence.

He has incited violence.

And that is one of the limitations on the First Amendment.

It's the reason why he was not prosecuted for inciting violence on January 6 because he came right up to the edge.

But didn't say hang the vice president, kill the speaker of the house.

Now he has.

And

Americans need to understand that this is not protected language.

I don't want to hear anybody saying he's got a right to say this.

He does not.

And if you say that out loud, that he's got this right, you are articulating not only an incorrect, but a completely discarded view of the Constitution.

And

Mark, Mark, that was go ahead.

I was going to say it simply is going to incite somebody else to take it upon themselves and be violent because they figure, well, Trump will pardon me anyway.

Right, he's identifying the targets is what he's doing.

Yes, and before the crazy people and you know that his homeland security has done the same thing in Chicago by calling out reporters by name and and and and you know one crazy person like you know Doxed one of the reporters after Homeland Security called him out by name But so I mean but let's just just for a reality check here if I had said about Donald Trump the exact

thing that he said about these members of Congress, would I expect to visit from the FBI today?

Yes, you

would.

So just put it in that context and think about it, what he did yesterday.

It was so important that the New York Times put it on page 16.

Yeah,

exactly.

We're talking to Mark Jacob and Jim Santel at 717 on this Friday, November 21st.

And Jim, to continue some of this extra legal material, we've got the

persecution, prosecution of a former FBI director, James Comey, where again, you had a court, a rational court, take a look at what the Trump Department of Justice is coming up with.

And I mean, I feel like they're no longer amused at the incompetence, but are ready to, in some way, shape or form, bring the hammer down on the level of incompetence that's come up with these attempts to prosecute for partisan purposes.

Absolutely.

I'll make a prediction here early in the morning on a Friday that everybody who knows what this is about is predicting.

That is, these cases are going away.

And I hope that the judge who's presiding over this gets rid of them on all three grounds.

There's no authority for to act.

Number two, this has been victim prosecution.

And now we've got grand jury abuse.

And just to highlight once again, the speech, which is what we're talking about this morning, this United States attorney, Lindsay Halligan, went into the grand jury.

And according to the recitation of the

the transcript by one of the magistrate judge there said that the defendant, in this case, a defendant coming forward under the indictment, James Comey, does not in fact will not have a Fifth Amendment right.

Basically, we can compel him to testify completely a wrong statement of law and then compounds it by saying, oh, by the way, as grand jurors, you may choose to indict

Even if there are things that we haven't presented to you and oh by the way We've got more even better stuff and we're gonna present this to you at trial Those are wild not only misstatements That is of those are wrong codifications of the law and you are instructing a grand jury on the legal basis for them to indict That indictment is going to be thrown out and and again the United States Attorney

The chief federal law enforcement officer went into the grand jury and told them things that are unlawful, illegal, and unconstitutional.

Well, but

they're all perfectly legal if you're in a dictatorship and if you think that one person carries all the power and that's certainly what they want to believe.

Jim Santel and Mark Jacob are with us.

We'll continue our weekend review discussions coming up in just a bit.

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Let's continue our Week in Review with Jim Santel and Mark Jacob.

Jennifer Scholes is off this weekend getting a head start on the holidays here.

And guys, let's turn now, Mark, I don't want to forget your column here because as always it's got a very intriguing title.

How the media pardon political criminals pardon and quotation marks news outlets paper over the ugly pasts of right wing extremists I feel like the conversation we just had bearing a serious story about having members of Congress executed on page 16 Feeds nicely into asking you what this article is all what this essay is all about

Well, yeah, I'm looking at

I've been tracking this a long time and it seems like when Trump and his

Lackies commit crimes the New York Times kind of gets bored about reminding people of that and they stop reminding people of that Steve Bannon is a real good example You know not just the New York Times of course NBC called Steve Bannon a recent story a populist who played a key role in Trump's political rise the and ABC called him a MAGA podcaster and NPR called him a sometime presidential advisor in none of those stories did they point out that he's an ex-convict

that they point out that he had done time for refusing to answer Congress's questions, that he had been convicted in state court of defrauding people and that border wall scam that he pulled, he's a criminal.

And they don't say that.

Instead, they act like he's some sort of like a wise policy advisor for the president.

And this is their form, the media's form of pardon.

They do the same thing.

with Roger Stone, who was convicted of lying to Congress.

They will quote Roger Stone in stories and not point out that he was convicted of lying to Congress, which is certainly relevant when you're quoting Roger Stone in your story.

And not to mention the President of the United States, the convicted felon.

When I'm not saying that every time they mentioned Trump they need to say convicted felon But how about when he's accusing people other people of crimes and took calling for them to be jailed Shouldn't that have been used yesterday?

For example when he called on the members of Congress to either be executed or jailed So so that this kind of it's a pardon process in the media is way I put it

Yeah, I mean, there's times I thought, well, wait, am I mentioning too often that the president is a convicted criminal?

And yet Jim Santel, I mean, that is what the record shows.

And his legal troubles are only going to reset, shall we say, on January 20, 2029, assuming we have a free and fair election and he's no longer president.

Absolutely.

And just to underscore the point, those 34 counts, they are felony counts in New York.

They still attached to him.

He was basically given a sentence of no time, no incarceration, no penalty, but he is a convicted felon.

Need to affirm that on a regular basis.

He has appealed that.

Obviously, he always appeals everything that does not go his way.

He's also in the civil arena.

Remember, he's a sex offender too.

He raped a woman in the mid 1990s in a Bergdorf Goodman store.

And again, that too has been adjudicated by two juries, not in a criminal setting, but in a defamation setting, another violation of his of the First Amendment.

You do not have the right to say anything about anybody that is wrong, that you know is wrong, and you publish it to the world.

This president doesn't get it on any level.

And the criminality, again, Peter Navarro is another one inside the White House, again, a trade advisor, spent time in jail on the same thing that sends Steve Bannon to jail.

Criminal conduct adjudicated by the courts and they're incarcerated.

These are the people that the president surrounds himself with.

He partakes of the same

thing.

So, Mark, that takes us, of course, to the case of Jeffrey Epstein, the sexual predator, and a bill that was passed after, since you and I visited last, there was that pretty incredible Trump flip-flop saying, well, let's go ahead and hold the vote on it.

And he signed the bill.

Again, I feel like even that was understated.

I mean, it was in the news, of course, but I mean, that was pretty much an earthquake that public pressure had forced Donald Trump to flip.

It simply raises the question, well, is he going to try other ways to block it now that he's had to sign that bill?

Yeah, I think they will.

I mean, I'd be amazed if we see much of the Epstein files that they have.

You know, they're just not trustworthy.

And they score, you know, and Mike Johnson, like, was recessing the House of Representatives in order to avoid voting on Epstein and would not, you know, would not swear in a member of elected person who was supposed to be in Congress.

So they are tooth and nail trying to prevent the release of this.

And now Trump realized he was going to get this great erosion in his own party and he's increasingly disrespected.

I mean, you know, I think those things, I think they're a lockstep for him, but

But you're starting to see big problems with him for the economy and everything else.

And in Epstein, everyone thinks that's a terrible thing.

The polls are overwhelming that this is awful and we need to know who is responsible.

Yeah.

And so he's not, he's, he's running, he's following the pack.

He's not leading the pack.

No, not, not in this instance.

And you wonder if it's going to be the preview of coming attractions.

Mark Jacob is here along with Jim Santel, our weekend review panel, which we will continue in just a bit.

Again, I'm Pat Critello from UpNorth News.

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Matt Naranair coming up next at nine o'clock here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Nice to have you all back here on this Friday morning, November 21st.

I'm Pat Crite-Low down here in Madison, Studio A2 along with Parker Olson, who's producing things here.

We will get back to our weekend review panel in just a sec.

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Let's see then on Saturday of course you've got the Badger football team.

Coverage begins at 4.30 tomorrow afternoon on several civic media stations and of course you got the Packers and the Vikings playing this Sunday at noon.

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And Parker Olson is a busy fellow, so busy that you can hear him on the radio tomorrow, I believe, with that first-rate show that you call, make the call.

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This

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You're going to

Gold Star too.

Yeah.

What time is that at?

It is at, ooh.

Seven, seven o'clock.

He almost got me there.

A pop quiz on your own show.

Don't be late.

So you can listen to Parker and some of your other civic media friends discussing sports then as well.

All right, let's bring Breck in our week and review panel.

Jennifer Schultz, he's off this week, but we've got Mark Jacob and we've got Jim Santel back with us now.

And just a final note on the Epstein files, and then we've got plenty of other things to cover as well.

Jim, we're going to start with you just to again emphasize, I know we've said it several times, this whole thing about Congress needing to vote on a bill to force the release of these files from the Department of Justice.

None of this is necessary.

Donald Trump can can release this stuff with the wave of his hand, can't he?

He absolutely can.

The Attorney General could do it from the day she was sworn into office.

And again, it is a charade to establish that there is some constitutional statutory requirement that before the Department of Justice releases files within its domain, there are policies about doing that.

Completely wrong.

This is what this president also does.

Proports to talk about the law.

Remember all the tax returns from the first term?

The IRS prevents me from releasing those.

No, that is a misstatement of the law.

They are your tax returns.

You can produce them at any time.

And we've never gotten them.

That is the continuing pattern of this president to establish something that does not exist.

Say that, well, I can't do this until others command me to do so.

And then you do it.