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Now, from our Lake WSOTA studio, here's the founding editor of Up North News, Pat Crite Low.
Hey, good morning.
Welcome back.
Nice to have you here up north.
It's a Tuesday morning, November 11th, 2025.
Phone lines are open at 855-75 Civic, 855-752-4842, which we'll welcome your calls here because normally we'd welcome in Cam Stevenson from Courier Newsroom.
But of course, there are a lot of moving pieces going on in Washington DC right now with the end of a government shutdown in sight, potentially.
And we'd love to have your thoughts on that as well.
Or you can join me and Parker in the pity pool.
The Packer pity pool and talking about a Packer's performance, an offensive performance that was offensive to to put it mildly or non-existent.
Yeah, I just, you know, I was saying earlier about how I've never been on the metal floor.
The hate train as much.
I'm getting
on
the train.
I'm not on the fire floor train, though.
Because I think a lot of people know he needs to fire himself from play calling.
Yes That is exactly what it needs to be.
Yes,
and
I think that people need to remember Who are you gonna get that's better?
Like as a head coach, you're saying yeah at the end of the day he's been very very good
Yes, but
like it but
well yes, but again he he had you know of
a core of healthy and talented players.
And now how do you deal with the adversity of players that are lost to injury or have simply left the team?
It's one thing to take what you've inherited.
Now we see where you go from here facing this challenge.
And maybe the play calling thing is a little bit too much.
Hard to say.
Certainly could be.
It feels like Aaron Rodgers was definitely like masking.
Yes, little floors play calling abilities for the first couple of years
there.
It does doesn't it?
Yeah, let's check and see what's in the mail bag here comments on YouTube and Facebook and through our text line and Tony writes from Ashland Will the Packer receivers actually catch the ball against the Giants?
Fair question.
Well, if we throw to our receivers, I was getting a little tired of throwing the the cornerback bull mountain.
That was a interesting decision.
I
Yeah.
And look, I'm no great expert on football plays, but I understand a play called the Jet Sweep.
The Packers actually
kind
of created and performed it well in the 60s.
But when executed properly, it works well.
And when they did that on one of their early drives, I'm like, yeah, do more of that.
Not these little.
Think and doink, you know, little screen passes do do an actual sweep.
And then in that same drive when they had a fourth and one, the quick count was amazing.
I mean, it caught the announcers off guard.
Next thing you know, they're snapping the ball and love is getting the first down.
And I thought, we're actually onto something here until we weren't.
Once again, we couldn't finish the drives.
Yeah, no, it's really disappointing because we saw a lot of the same thing last week against the Panthers.
Yes.
And now this week, this week, you go against the Giants team that weirdly, I think has momentum, um, despite having fired their
head coach, fired their coach.
That's what gave us more.
Hey, sometimes
addition by subtraction.
Yeah.
I do think that they're more excited than they were before.
So.
Yep.
Uh, Robin Tigerton noted that he watched the Packer game until he fell asleep because.
Don't blame you.
It was just stone cold as he puts it for the offense.
Of course, there are also people that were talking to us about Veterans Day.
Alicia notes that free meals and small services one day a year from private companies, that's just not going to cut it.
As federal employees, they need to live up to their responsibilities.
On the government shutdown deal where again, it's just eight senators on the Democratic side who joined with Republicans Tony would like to see them primaried and he notes that all of the senators who caved with the exception of John Federman from Pennsylvania who's 56 but all of them were in their 60s 70s and 80s although again most of the Senate is of that age but when we talk about passing the generational torch and Have people that would you know really?
fight for American values, we don't have enough of that yet in the Senate and need to see more of that happen.
Let's see, there was also this very controversial opinion about, you know, the Bucks won yesterday and congrats to them.
Let's see, what was the final score here?
They beat the Dallas Mavericks 116 to 114.
Yana scored 15 of his 30 points in the fourth quarter to come back from a deficit And then on Wednesday tomorrow they play at Charlotte, but then at Friday their home versus Charlotte in the in the NBA Cup It's so hard to make that work and we got this very this very hot take from on the text line from a Luke Mathers, I believe he says I don't know the Bucks game got pretty intense last Friday in those final minutes against Chicago
which was the opening game in the group play for the NBA Cup.
He said, folks knew that the point differential mattered.
So even though the Bucks had the game in the bag with about two minutes left, the Bulls wanted to lose by as little as possible while the Bucks tried to run up the score.
As a fan of the Bucks, I enjoyed it.
Bring on Charlotte.
Pat, did you also just learn that the point differential
matters?
I did.
I did just learned in this very moment that the NBA Cup has a point differential that matters.
Tony says for the cup.
Yes, exactly.
So yeah.
Yeah.
There we go.
Roger on Facebook notes that we mentioned earlier that Hank Ballard.
had a version of the twist recorded on this day in 1958, and then later taken to the top of the charts by Chubby Checker, who was just inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but Roger, corrects the record to say that Hank Ballard himself was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame back in 1990.
So there you go.
Got that.
Got that going on.
Let's see.
What else do we have here?
Oh, we talked about Turley.
It's National Sunday Day on a Tuesday in November.
Yes.
But Alicia writes in Parker is my guy turtle Sunday with extra pecans So they're it's a good start.
Let's see from Artiff favorite ice cream is the chocolate shop in Madison their Zanzibar chocolate is the best I've been to the chocolate shop in Madison.
I don't know that I've had their Zanzibar chocolate No, I definitely I've been there once or twice, but very sparingly.
Uh-huh
I mean, I wonder if it's anything like, um, Haagen-Dazs Belgian chocolate, because I once lived at a place with a Haagen-Dazs tour, so.
Oh, that's dangerous.
Oh, that was really dangerous.
Yeah.
And boy, that Belgian chocolate with the little flakes.
Instead of chocolate chips, it's like these little flakes of really dark chocolate in there.
Very nice.
Okay.
Um, let's see.
We talked about the Yellowstone Trail, because this is also the anniversary of the creation of the numbered highway system in America.
And that early on there, there was a route called the Yellowstone Trail that would take people from the East into Yellowstone National Park that would come through Wisconsin.
And you can still see it today with rock, big rocks that are painted yellow to market.
And Alicia says there are a bunch of rocks from the Yellowstone Trail in Greenville.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you'll see that pretty much.
anywhere along the road as well.
And let's see also from Robin Tigerton, a thank you to all the veterans for serving and protecting our country.
Tony also on the notion of we had a guest from Washington Monthly in our last hour talking about the cesspool that the internet can be sometimes and that
you know, maybe Democrats should be calling it out rather than getting down into the mud.
Tony writes, I'm so sick of people blaming the form of communication.
Just because you can't effectively communicate there doesn't mean it's going away.
Learn how to fight in the environment or get out.
That's a very fair point.
And that's why I asked our guest last hour about it, about, you know, essentially running against the internet.
I think that's
I think that's a tough road to home.
I think it's going to be around.
So I think you do learn to communicate effectively in there.
Alicia is now saying, okay, now I want ice cream.
I don't care how much I shiver while eating it.
You know, there's a reason that, that most places like Culver's and others don't close down in the winter.
Ice cream is always good.
Whatever.
Oh yeah.
It's great.
Let me tell you Pat, it is incredibly warm in studio A2 here right now, which is
wildly different than normal.
Um, well, I was going to say, normally you come in there and I remember learning this a couple of times down to Madison that the, the heater, the furnace doesn't kick in right away.
So you walk in, you know, at five in the morning and it is really cold and they set it to come on more for like when the office staff is there.
So it comes on a little bit later, but by that time, you know, by the end of the show, you know, Parker's roasting.
I start the show in Long John's and by the end of the show, I'm in shorts.
Yep.
It's a very weird experience here.
But that's not a lot.
I mean, if you want to start a good workplace debate anywhere, do you get the debate going on where the temperature should be?
Oh, yeah.
And who gets to be in charge of that night?
You know, you work in some offices where somebody's got like those, one of those little tiny ceramic heaters under their desk or, or they've got a, you know, a fan that's got to be blowing just right.
It's one of the things I don't miss about not working in offices anymore.
That's fair.
I do believe there are a handful of space heaters in the headquarters here.
Used
by a
couple of different
people.
Tony says, I think it's absurd.
The Madison studio isn't focused around Parker schedule.
Well, right, right, Tony.
Look, at least John and Gordy, they're big time radio stars.
So let's let's think of them.
I mean, take advantage of your divas.
Yeah, I don't know that there's even like vent in that studio.
Come to think of it.
In studio
one, a one,
there's
no
vent.
I don't think there's a vent in there.
I think that they are at
the mercy of the sun
in the windows there.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
No.
All right.
So those are some of the reactions that folks have had about some of the things that we've covered here on the program so far.
We certainly did take some time talking about the end of the government shutdown and what people think of that.
And then another topic that we've covered today has been Donald Trump's pardons.
And that's
Unfortunate, shall we say, that lost in all the other things, because again, if there's one thing the Trumpers know, it's a flood the zone strategy.
Just throw all kinds of stuff out there.
So while we're talking about the government shutdown and snap benefits being cut off and everything else, Donald Trump just pardoned everybody who tried to help him with his coup to overturn the 2020 election.
All of the co-conspirators, all of the fake electors, everybody who went along with his scheme to overturn the presidential election.
Now, thankfully, even though Wisconsin's fake electors like Bob Spindel, who's on the State Elections Commission and attorneys Kenneth Chesbro and Jim Trupas were all just pardoned by Trump, it was all about federal charges and there aren't any right now.
Again, Jack Smith's investigation died.
When voters decided to put Donald Trump back in, but thankfully at the state level, there are still, however slowly, certain investigations going on like Chesbro and Trupas are still facing 11 felony counts here because pardons don't apply to what's happening in our state courts.
So Jeff Mandel, who runs Law Forward, the legal group that had brought a civil lawsuit against the Wisconsin Republicans involved, blasted the pardons as sending an unmistakable message that this White House disdains democracy and will assist in word and indeed any effort, no matter how extreme and outrageous, to cling to power regardless of election results.
So it led to one comment on Facebook that says, exposing cheating isn't a coup.
He took issue with my use of the word coup to describe this, that it was just exposing cheating.
Yeah, exposing cheating to overturn an election and to stay in power despite what the voters want, which is a coup.
And I still am flabbergasted that we don't recognize it as what it was.
Trust me, the history books will.
We will talk to Ruth Conner from the Wisconsin Examiner coming up in 15 minutes.
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All right, we mentioned that the Bucks beat the Dallas Mavericks last night and will be playing at Charlotte tomorrow.
Of course, the Packers losing, but they will take on the New York Giants next Sunday at noon.
The Badger football team takes on second ranked Indiana.
That will be this Saturday and coverage will begin at 9 a.m.
on several civic media radio stations.
The Badger men's basketball team will next be in action tonight against Ball State.
The coverage begins at seven o'clock on Civic Media stations in Wisconsin Rapids, Amory, Richland Center, and in Ironwood.
The women's basketball team will next host Bowling Green tomorrow evening.
The Badger Men's hockey team rose in the rankings from 10th in the nation.
They're now seventh ranked.
in the country after upsetting second ranked Michigan back on Saturday.
So the Badger Hockey team will host Ohio State on Friday and Saturday evenings, Friday starting at 6.30, Saturday at 5.30 on WFHR in Wisconsin Rapids and WJMS up in Ironwood, Michigan.
The Badger Women's Hockey team still ranked number one in the country.
They will be at St.
Cloud State on Friday night and Saturday afternoon.
The Badger Women's Volleyball team ranked 11th in the country
will play at Michigan State on Friday night.
So there's a look at some of the sports that will be happening all across the Civic Media radio network.
Head over to civicmedia.us to learn more about the games that will be on near you.
And I don't have last Friday's prep football results here in front of me, but there may also be a hometown team of yours that is advancing in the high school playoffs.
And if so, you might be able to hear it on your local Civic Media station.
There is a park or something in the journal Sentinel that I need to get here on Lake Wissota.
And I'm perfectly happy with my pontoon.
Don't get me wrong.
But there's now something called a hot tub boat.
I'm in.
Yeah.
And that even though, you know, it's already cold and winter's approaching in Milwaukee, there are some newly launched hot tub boats on the Milwaukee River.
Each boat features a tub that's heated to 104 degrees, a back deck for lounging, and a little tiller to leisurely still steer yourself along the river.
Basically, if you've been in a fishing boat that has a live well where you just open up this little door, you know, at the bottom and there's a tank in there that you can fill with water and put your fish in, there's just a much bigger version of that, that up in front.
Um, you, you've just got a hot tub right there at the front of the boat.
People are sitting in it, just gazing out, uh, in the cold weather.
I, I like this idea because what, what have I said repeatedly?
What's my favorite winter sport?
Is it skiing?
No cross country skiing.
No, it's, it's walking out to the hot tub in the middle of winter and back and I do it bare feet.
That's how tough I am.
Um, so I'm
Anybody that wants to take the hot tub a bit further and put it in a boat so you can go along a chilly river Hey as long as the boat doesn't get iced in
yeah,
I'm good with it.
So bring it on So there's that story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Maya Pandy has the story on there that folks might want to check out and hey, maybe maybe get some ideas I I remember seeing at a brewer's game
I forget where it was.
I don't know if it was three rivers and Pittsburgh or where, but out on the water, again, instead of just your typical pontoon, they had converted it to a tiki bar.
Oh,
and I think that is in
Pittsburgh.
And I think, uh, and it might have even been like on the, the, the model of the pedal pub where, you know, folks got a pedal and that's how the boat keeps going.
And I looked at that a couple of years back and I was like,
I wonder if I could start that here.
Then I had a neighbor who had an idea for Lake Wissota wanting to get again just a slightly larger boat and do dinner cruises because there are plenty of places that do dinner cruises and you don't need to have a great big boat to do it.
You can do it with just a few guests but he looked into the possibility of having like a dinner cruise boat on there as well.
So there's no shortage of ways that you can have fun on the water around here.
The only way that I will not have fun on the water is ice fishing.
Because again, we've got a hot tub.
I think I told you, that's my favorite winter sport.
I'm not gonna go sit on ice and
fish.
Would you sit in a hot tub while ice fishing?
Well, I don't know if that's
really possible,
but that's a year.
We're putting a hot tub on on the ice.
I think I might have to draw the line somewhere.
Now, if it were saying no
issue,
if there were a pier, let's say you made it appear, not just a dock, but you would appear and the hot tub is on the pier.
And from there, you can cast a line.
Sure.
Okay.
But now you catch the fish.
Now what?
Are you just gonna trust the fish?
They're gonna swim with the fish.
I mean, I first swim in with the sharks, but swimming with the sunnies and the crappies and the walleye, that's a whole different deal.
I don't think that one, I don't think we've, we thought that one all the way through.
So anything to get on the water more
Pat.
Yes, I will never object to anything that keeps me on the lake a little bit more often.
We'll turn our attention back to what happens in the wake of the elections last week coming up on 2026 and where Democrats need to go here in Wisconsin with Ruth Conniff of the Wisconsin Examiner coming up.
I'm Pat Critewell.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Nice to have you back at 8.35 on a Tuesday morning November 11th Veterans Day and join now by Ruth Conniff of the Wisconsin Examiner.
A lot to be said about last week's election results and of course that includes a column from her that says Tuesday's Democratic Sweep is a wake-up call for Wisconsin.
You can read it at WisconsinExaminer.com.
Of course since that time we've also had the
drama about the potential end to the government shutdown and so much more that you can again follow at wisconsinexaminer.com and Ruth Conif is here now.
Ruth, good morning.
How are you?
Good morning.
Very well.
Thanks.
How did it feel?
I've asked a couple of other guests this that how did it feel to have the you know the the aftermath of the election and everybody's writing their pieces and other people are still throwing their taking their victory laps and then
somebody throws sand in the gears and eight Democrats decide to say, we're done.
We can't, we can't continue holding out for, you know, healthcare to be more affordable.
And so that's that.
Was it just the dragging the needle across the record and bringing everything to a halt?
Or is this just a minor skip in the record?
And Democrats can get back on message on how to move forward.
Well, I mean, definitely the column that you asked me to talk about today.
It's been overrun by events because, you know, I'm writing about Democratic euphoria and that, you know, it's such a clear message from voters that they do not like what's happening in the country in these first six months of Trump too, and that they really want to see an opposition.
And then the Democrats cave.
So, you know, the whole euphoria train is gone.
And Ken Martin, you know, I did a call, I was on a call listening to Ken Martin, the DNC chair.
When I wrote this column, I was talking about how the Democrats
seem to have found their footing and they felt so, you know, emboldened by these election results.
And he's of course, you know, now really angry at members of his own party in the Senate for, for folding their tent on the shutdown and not getting anything really.
I mean,
You know, I think one interview sort of man on the street interview in an airport was somebody whose flight was delayed said, what was the point of all this?
And I think it's a fair question.
It's not clear that anything at all came out of it.
So it's definitely not a great sign for the Democrats.
They are not doing what it looked like they were doing right after the election and getting themselves together and really
responding to voters desire to see something better than the chaos and destruction and uncertainty of the Trump administration.
you know it's it's unfortunate and also like we all have to continue to live in this country and we have to figure out what's going to happen and a lot of people are not going to be able to afford to have health care.
I don't think that's very promising that Thune has promised to you know to listen to the case for extending the Affordable Care Act tax credits because they can listen for five minutes and shut it down and that seems you know every message of the Republican Party and Trump is that that's what they plan to do.
So it's a mixed bad.
Well, yeah, I mean, again, we're in Wisconsin, the home of the special sessions that gavel in and gavel out.
So you can see how much attention, you know, they, they pay to the important issues.
And it also, while this is a little inside baseball for, but for Democrats, the sense is like, why is there always that person?
It was Joe Lieberman when they were passing the Affordable Care Act.
Then it was Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema to a degree.
Now it's Federman from Pennsylvania.
They're always, a caucus like that is only as strong as their weakest link.
And when you have some links like that, it makes it very tough to have progress and to stay united.
But I think staying united as a Democratic caucus, well, frankly, was always going to be a bit of a tall order.
I think one of the things, one of the pieces of analysis that I read right after the election that was most interesting to me was that, you know, we've seen Donald Trump pressure institutions into caving one after another universities, major law firms, you know, we've got
you know, this this bully in the White House and the Republicans who are in lockstep behind him, even though he's doing so much damage to those peoples, those Republicans, very constituents.
So you see institutions that cave because they're afraid of losing funding or they're afraid of losing political power.
But when you go to the voters, this great swath of America who voted last Tuesday, they're not being bullied like that.
They're not saying, oh, OK, we should vote for the Republican because then maybe Trump won't be mad at us.
and then maybe, you know, our state won't lose funding.
They're saying, no, we need a new direction.
We need to turn around.
And I think there is something very hopeful in that, that the public in general is not buying it and is not, you know, we haven't slipped so far that people are so cowed and terrified that they're giving up on their own interests and just hoping to minimize the damage.
Yeah, you note in your column, and we're talking to Ruth, Ruth Conant from the Wisconsin Examiner and her column about last Tuesday's election results.
and you point out the ways that, you know, Derek Van Orden and Tom Tiffany and Brian Stile and Ron Johnson, the way that they have essentially stood in the way of making healthcare more affordable, you know, Ron Johnson and others have essentially cheered on a government shutdown.
So again, you see the disconnect where voters' values are, but, and I always hate the word messaging, but it
seems
to fit here, it's how Democrats
engage in messaging about what they're for but then it's undermined by refusing to fight
for it in this particular example.
Well, to be fair, Democrats are in a bad situation here.
I mean, look at Tim Kaine in Virginia.
It was a bit of a surprise that he joined that group of, you know, people who had just said enough, we can't have the shutdown even if we don't get anything for it after the longest shutdown in history.
But he's got so many federal workers in his district, and people are really up against it.
This isn't.
very painful situation for people who haven't been paid, who can't get food assistance, who may never be rehired, who are, you know, they're being threatened, the furloughed workers with never getting back pay.
And so that, that was really at the heart of the deal, I think, for Kane and for other Democrats who just said,
The people in my district can't take any more pain.
And the problem for the Democrats is they actually care.
You know,
two men actually cares.
Whereas Trump doesn't care.
He's going to court to try to make sure that children do not get food assistance in the month of November.
So, you know, you're really, you're in a difficult position when you don't have any leverage against people who truly don't care how much damage and destruction happens.
We're talking to Ruth Conner from the Wisconsin Examiner and in her column, you know, she writes how various Democratic leaders eagerly declared that theirs is the party of affordability.
Ruth writes, it doesn't take a political genius to see the vulnerability in the wretched excesses of the Trump administration, forcing children to go hungry while throwing a lavish, great Gatsby party at Mar-a-Lago and building a massive gilded ballroom at the White House if nothing else Democrats are the populist alternative by default.
But we've, we've learned if, if nothing else, you can be the populist alternative by default, but it doesn't mean anything if people don't show up for you on election day.
Now they did last week in a big way.
The question becomes, will, will that be as effective, you know, just under a year from now when the, they do these midterms again, but are you saying that basically Dems need to continue to just take that affordability flag and run with it?
Yes, and I think, you know, what we see in this, the shutdown drama is just a failure of leadership because even if you, it's understandable that people can't take any more pain, it's just, you know, you don't start the longest shutdown in history, you know, you don't dig in your heels and say, no, we have this bottom line issue and we're not going to give ground.
and then give ground after 41 days.
I mean, it's just, it's not, this is, you know, this is not the master of the Senate, you know, the great Robert Carrell book about Johnson.
You know, the Democrats need some strategy and some leadership and some idea of where they're going.
And that's why you see people like our Congressman Mark Pocan calling for Schumer's ouster, because even though Schumer wasn't with that group that voted with the Republicans, he is in charge of leading the Senate.
And where's the leadership?
Yeah, there's a lot of asking where's the leadership and saying things about Chuck that we can't say on the radio here.
Also at the Wisconsin Examiner, Baylor Spears has a story out for Veterans Day, noting that on Veterans Day, Wisconsin is serving fewer homeless vets and lawmakers are at an impasse on support.
I have to admit, Ruth, this one has always been a bit of a mystery to me.
It just feels to me like these Republican lawmakers got caught flat footed realizing they zeroed out something, forgot to put the money back in, but instead of just owning up to it or looking for any way to try to blame Tony Evers because he didn't raid this pot of money to support homeless veterans or something else.
And I feel like it shouldn't have taken this long to come together and find a way to fund these programs in Chippewa Falls and elsewhere.
And they haven't, they haven't figured it out either.
I mean, I think Baylor does a really nice job of laying out what happened.
It's a complex issue and she lays it out very simply.
You know, right, Tony Evers, the, you know, and the Veterans Administration asked for money to keep these programs going.
The Republicans said, no, they, they zeroed out that money in the state budget.
And as a result, they were repeatedly warned by their own.
staff and you know by the administration that this meant that these programs were going to close and in fact we no longer have these housing and recovery programs in Green Bay and Chippewa Falls and the Republicans were you know because veterans issues are one of those issues where they feel like they should be on the right side or want people to think they're on the right side they insisted no no no evers could have just found the money elsewhere and funded it all along.
Baylor explains and kind of dives into and reports on why that's not the case that the legislature had to appropriate the funds and refuse to do so.
And so now instead of going back and appropriating the funds, which is hard because they have to reopen facilities that are now closed, they're trying to do something completely new and invent a whole new nonprofit structure to fund these programs in the future.
And that money is not going to go to open those facilities because the only eligible nonprofits are in Dane County and Milwaukee County.
So
We're not serving these veterans anymore.
Some of them have been moved out of state.
Some of them have gone to other facilities, but it's really a shame.
It's really, it's, it's, it's lousy.
And, and I think this is an example of, you know, it's fine to talk about budget cutting, but when it really happens to people and when you are hurting homeless veterans, that's, that's where the rubber hits the road and the Republicans kind of don't want to.
admit that that is in fact the consequence of the budget cutting.
Right.
Again, don't want to serve.
Just a couple minutes left and I wanted to hit one other article that's up here by Isaiah Holmes about bills that are aimed to address inhumane conditions in Wisconsin prisons and jails.
Tell us more about his story.
Yeah, I say I want to press conference yesterday in front of the Milwaukee courthouse talking about the difficulty that state legislators had in getting into the Milwaukee jail where there have been some deaths.
There have been some reports of inhumane conditions.
And this is an issue in Wisconsin that he's been covering for years now.
And it's a really serious situation.
We incarcerate a lot of people in this state.
We have massive disproportionate confinement of minorities in this state and the
that people are living in are not good.
So there's a bill package in the state legislature to try to address that and to make certain guarantees of humane treatment.
And he has a very poignant interview with somebody who's been through the system and has suffered from the kinds of conditions that we're maintaining here.
I do have time for one more quick one, and that is just to, I'm sure it's a story you're following with Marathon County and the Sheriff's Department cooperating with ICE.
That is an area with, you know, a part of the state with so many immigrant laborers on Wisconsin's dairy farms.
It is clearly a controversial subject up there that I am quite certain you are following as somebody who's covered that issue and written an excellent book about it.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
Well, for sure, we're covering this all around the state, the ICE cooperation agreement, some of which have been rescinded after they became public.
And, you know, there is, I think, just a sense of not knowing exactly what our sheriff department's doing and how they're empowered to act as agents of federal law enforcement.
And it's very disturbing because we're seeing people who are grabbed
off the street, some of whom turn out to be US citizens.
And no due process.
We've interviewed immigration attorneys who can't keep track of their clients because they're being very quickly shuttled out of state.
Their family members can't find them.
It's a real concern.
It is.
And I know that this one you're following, again, that's at wisconsinexaminer.com.
Ruth Conniff, thank you so much for your time.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Yeah, great to see you, Pat.
All right.
We will wrap things up with some final news and notes from Lake Visota right after this.
I'm Pat Krightlo.
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This is as Parker Olson producer extraordinaire tells us this is national Sunday day on this Tuesday and I think The results are in and apparently turtle Sunday
That's the one that people like most.
So Parker, congratulations.
You're on the winning team once again.
I'm the winner
once again.
You go get yourself.
Go get yourself a turtle Sunday later today as a result.
I think you should.
I think it's a good idea.
So that's that's the question we asked today.
And of course, there's also a question of the week from our Sunday morning newsletter.
And we are asking folks, you know, what what is your view on whether
Wisconsin should have legal pot or not for recreational use or medicinal purposes.
So again, you can use the comment sections or you can subscribe to our newsletter at up north news wi.com.
Alright, it's time to play some show and tell with Parker.
I've I've not told him that this was coming.
Oh, boy.
I have a furnace that is not working exactly as it should and I need to
I need to look at the manual and, you know, before I don't want to call in no expensive repair tech if it's something relatively simple.
Well, yeah, I went to go looking for it in the place where one goes.
And that would be the box where you throw all of your, you know, manuals and receipts and warranty information.
And it
is.
And in there, you found the instructions for a printer that actually you haven't owned for 20 years.
Funny that you should say
that because here's a representative sample of what all was in the box.
Here's a manual for Windows 98.
It includes a receipt for a computer I got from Gateway.
I don't remember the last time Gateway did computers.
It's been a
while.
Um, there, there's, uh, as a reporter, uh, I would sometimes be out in the field and I would use a tape recorder,
you know, a
cassette tape recorder.
So I still have the manual for this cassette tape recorder that I would use to go out onto news stories, uh, and, and, and record folks.
I don't know where that is.
I can say how long has the tape recorder been gone for?
Oh, at least, at least 20 years.
Here's a Casio keyboard.
We had a Casio keyboard for a while.
It was one of those, you know, synthesizer thingies.
Sure.
I don't play piano.
I don't know.
You have the manual.
You can learn.
I've got vacuum cleaners from so long ago.
I've got a furniture, you know, how to assemble things in case you need the parts.
I've got, here's one from a Norelco electric razor.
Here's one from a Remington electric razor.
I have not used an electric razor in at least 20 years.
I have cordless phones.
Oh, boy used in forever cordless phones.
I mean, that was the latest and the greatest technology until the cell phone came along.
Here's a manual for a cellular phone the size of a brick.
Guys, I want one of the original cell phones.
I want our listeners to know that he held up a manual that said cellular
pocket telephone.
Telephone.
Yes.
I don't even it doesn't even say the brand name of it on there.
I mean,
How
many brands were
there?
Did they need to specify back then?
There were a lot of toys, um, cause I raised two girls.
So here's a manual for twirling ballerina Barbie.
Of course.
Here's one for singing aerial because we had a, we had a doll that could swim in the tub with them and, and sing until it started.
They shouldn't be putting toys in the bathtub.
It's hard to sing underwater.
coffee makers that I haven't had in forever.
This is a tent, a tent that I thought we still had till one of the daughters said, oh no, I brought that with me to Idaho sometime back.
Oh, uh, if you, if you're in the market for a manual for a John Deere push mower, I got the manual for it.
I haven't had the manual in forever.
And uh, well, wait, I've, oh, I've got one more.
This, this one, this is like a family heirloom.
Oh boy.
This is from a place called Groundwater Waterbeds.
This is the receipt for our first purchase as a married couple, which was a bed, and waterbeds were all the rage.
And this is from July 31st of 1987.
And it is a waterbed that we paid $998.48.
Okay.
My parents, I'm pretty sure, also had a waterbed.
Some
everybody did at some point in the 70s and
80s.
Yes.
Well, I'm not positive if it was in the basement or what.
But there is a story of someone laying on that bed and getting absolutely frozen.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
You could froze or you could get you could boil like a frog.
because the heater on these things and for those young enough, it's basically, it's a big bladder.
It's a big water balloon, essentially.
And then you had special sheets that went over it so that they wouldn't keep falling off.
And it was actually, when it was at the right temperature, it was actually really nice.
You could get something that was really wavy or not very wavy at all.
But if it malfunctioned, you know, you could be frozen or if somebody turned it up too high, you couldn't sleep in there.
because you were just, you were boiling.
And of course, a couple of different times, Sherry would drop in your ring.
And it would fall in between.
And suddenly there'd be a little leak that had to be patched up on the fly.
Why is my butt wet?
Did I pee myself again?
Last but not, yeah.
Last but not least, do you remember me telling the story about it, my first job, my first radio job in Rice Lake?
I entered and won a VCR that
they were
giving away, which I probably should not have entered.
I found the manual for that.
So here's the Fisher VCR.
So there's evidence.
In a moment of vindication, it occurs to me that about six years later, it wasn't working.
And so I found the receipt, the repair receipt.
I did have to spend $87.31 to get the VCR fixed.
So there was a price to be paid.
There's no such thing as a free lunch or in this case, a free VCR.
Wow.
I have none of these things anymore, but I got the manuals.
And by the way, I'm still looking for the furnace.
It's around here someplace.
Uh, Parker, thank you.
Have a great day.
Uh, looking forward to tomorrow and having you all back here as well.
Thanks to all of our guests.
I'm Pat Krightlow from Up North News, part of Courier Newsroom, a pro-democracy news network.
Enjoy your Tuesday.
We'll see you bright and early back here tomorrow morning, 6 a.m.
here up north.
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