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Well, hey there, Wisconsin.
Good morning, 606 on a Tuesday.
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I got a question for you.
Is there a place where you used to work that if you went back there for a visit, you would be cheered, you'd be given a hearty welcome?
Even if it was say you left for a competitor, but you know, you left on decent terms.
Or would you face a more hostile greeting in a couple of minutes?
We'll tell you how to play it out for someone who made an awkward visit.
back to their old job.
But it got me wondering for you, what job would you, what job, job site, what would you like to revisit a place to go back to where you haven't?
Maybe there's still some old coworkers there and you haven't seen them in forever.
Or what job site will you never go back to because you're quite sure your old colleagues would not be very welcoming.
If you have any thoughts to share on that, get in the comment sections of Facebook or YouTube or give us a call at 855-75-CIVIC-855-7524842.
You can also use that Civic Media app to call us or to text us or to use a voice note and tell us how things might play out if you were to go back to one of your old jobs.
We'll talk about that a bit.
Also, in some breaking news, former Vice President Dick Cheney has passed away.
He was 84 years old.
The news coming down in the past hour, the cause was complications of pneumonia and cardiac and vascular disease.
He had had coronary problems all of his adult life.
He also had a connection to UW Madison.
He went to school here as a doctoral student in political science.
from 1966 to 1968.
For a time he worked for Wisconsin Governor Warren Knowles when he was a student and his wife, Lynn, is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
She went here as a graduate student from 66 to 68, earned a PhD in English in 1970.
Again, Dick Cheney has passed away at the age of 84.
So you'll hear more about that throughout the coming day or throughout the day as well.
Now there is one year to go until Election Day in Wisconsin for some very big elections.
Governor of course is tops on the list, but there are congressional elections legislative elections a whole host of others It is an election day in some other key states.
We'll be watching to see what happens in New Jersey and New York City and Virginia in California among others and so I am sure at this time tomorrow We'll be talking about what those numbers say especially versus what we think they might say because
It doesn't matter who's on the ballot today.
I mean, it matters, but my point is the interpretation is going to be through a national lens.
And what does that say about what voters are feeling about the government shutdown, about the Trump administration, about Trump himself?
And it's not necessarily fair to the candidates who are on the ballot today, but you know, that's pretty much how it
works and so we'll watch those elections but as for today with one year until elections
An hour from now, we will be talking with Emily Berge, who is a candidate for Congress in the third congressional district.
That's the Derek Van Orden district in western Wisconsin, parts of central Wisconsin as well.
She's one of two Democrats running, hoping to unseat Van Orden next year.
And so we will visit with her coming up a little later this morning.
And we'll tell you more about what's coming up in the show in just a bit here.
But first, down to Madison we go and Studio A2.
where producer Parker Olson is standing by, near as I can tell, because I don't know if he's adjusted his headphone.
Are you still hearing me halfway, or are you, what is happening over there?
What?
Exactly,
that's
was that the one you were
or was that it's when I was
Okay.
Well, I don't
So.
Yeah, I think I think I know the situation.
And again, sometimes it's fun to welcome a 22 year old into the world of life in your 60s.
But that's good to hear three times my age.
Good.
Well, Alicia says, did Parker's cold move to his ears?
It could be.
But it could also be I would just try those.
wax those eardrops for for ear wax and see if maybe maybe a little little smidge of something moved to a place where it shouldn't be and you don't want to go after it with a q-tip or anything the the toughest the easy part is oh I have to lay here on my side for 15 minutes while I put these drops in and let them fizz like an Alka Seltzer tablet or something okay I can lay down for 15 minutes
But then comes the funny part.
And that's walking to the shower with your head still turned as close to 90 degrees as possible, and then getting in the shower and letting it drain out and everything else.
So, look at the fun things we can talk about at six o'clock in the morning here.
But you have to keep your head for 15 minutes.
That's why they want you to lay down.
Otherwise, you're going to trade the ear problem for a crick in your neck.
mean, that's
There you go.
Let's see.
Alicia also says anytime I've visited an old job, I've been greeted kindly because I try not to be a total booger.
She says in parentheses, radio safe language.
Yeah,
that's I
know what you
mean.
Tony says, I'm not sure if I walked into my current workspace, anyone would know who I am.
The joys of remote work.
Absolutely, Tony.
Yeah,
I'm
here.
I've only been to civic media's world headquarters like five times.
And I can't tell you how many times I've looked at somebody like, hey, Pat, how are you?
And a little voice in my head going, I don't know who this is.
I got no idea.
If I ask him, it looks so stupid.
You have asked me who that was after someone has said hi to you.
Yes, I have.
Yes.
And I'm sure your thought was like, how did you not know that was so and so?
But again, unless they're on my screen here, they're just a name in the chats.
Yeah, that's fair.
It's a little world.
Exactly.
Here's what else is coming up on the program today.
We will be talking to Dan Schaefer from the Reconbobulation Area.
He is Civic Media's political editor as well.
And he's only the latest person.
to write about Mandela Barnes and whether he should or should not run for governor.
I mean, the New York Times did a piece.
The Milwaukee Journal just did a piece.
There was a strongly worded editorial in the Milwaukee Courier newspaper that said on behalf of part of Milwaukee's black community, they don't want Mandela Barnes to run for governor for critical reasons.
So we'll talk to Dan about that also.
We're gonna talk to courier newsrooms camp Stevenson from the nation's capital here about the shutdown And we'll talk to Hans Brighton Moser as well Parker I'm gonna pause and take a sip of coffee here while you take a stab at who we were talking about About going back to their old job.
Like they want you to reenroll.
had a guess.
I guess.
Well, it didn't work out that way for Miles Turner.
Miles Turner.
Yes.
Did a lot for the Indiana Pacers.
And as a result, a lot of Milwaukee Bucks fans did not like Miles Turner, but now Miles Turner is a Milwaukee buck.
But after everything he did for the Pacers,
He kind of thought his longtime fans would give him at least a polite warm ovation in his first game back against his former team.
And no, he heard booing all night long from the moment the PA announcer introduced the pregame video tribute.
And every time Turner touched the ball, every time he scored a point, every time he checked into the game, a hurtful crescendo of jeers would restart according to the AP story.
He said it was disheartening, man, it was frustrating.
You give 10 years of your life, your blood, sweat and tears, you take pay cuts, you survive trade rumors, you try to do everything the right way, and then sometimes that stuff shakes out.
And Bucks coach Doc Rivers said after the game, he was discouraged by had all played out, but to be fair, Indiana had said they wanted to resign Turner, but he left and he left for division rival point.
I would point you toward the things I've said about Craig Council.
Yeah.
He also said some things about wanting to be on a competitive club.
And he says it didn't come out the right way.
You didn't come out the way he meant them to.
But this was clearly not a willy-a-dama situation last night for Miles Turner, you
know.
But as for the game, the Bucks pulled out a 117 to 115 victory.
Giannis with a buzzer beater, a mid-range jumper from about 17 feet away was your dagger.
Giannis scored 33 points.
And again, the Bucks squeak out a victory.
over the Pacers and they headed right to Toronto.
They will be playing there tonight and then they will be home Friday against the Chicago Bulls.
So that, that's where that came from.
Uh, wondering if you, if you'd go back to your old place, would you hear cheering or booing?
And we've got both Willie Adamus and now Miles Turner as examples here.
Gotcha.
give him a good welcome.
They did not.
But again, I think of all the booing for Craig Council and it's like, okay, so how much of it was because it was a division rival versus things he said or whatever?
Yeah.
Roger echoes a sentiment on old jobs on Facebook that we've talked about here.
It's been 11 and a half years since I left my previous employer.
I believe the entire staff has turned over in that time.
Which would make sense because it certainly has at the tv station But I couldn't really go back to the tv station because I'd been there for nearly a decade anchoring the news Then decided to run for office Nobody knew my political affiliation.
I you know was very careful about that on air
So immediately 50% of the people the ones who thought I was a Republican were very mad and it would have worked the other way had had I know declared as a Republican and Of course in the newsroom.
They don't want to be seen as currying favor.
Yeah,
so it was always a little awkward
when I was
back there
You know, uh, especially when I get to see, you know, my old co-anchor Judy Clark and, and things like, oh, which reminds me, speaking of broadcast legends, Jane Mattenair.
Yes.
Announcing yesterday on her show that she is retiring come December.
Jane, we love you.
Bless you.
Congratulations.
You're going to have so much fun.
You're going to do so much.
traveling, I am absolutely sure.
Yeah, it's, it's fantastic.
So we just wanted to put that out there in case you missed it yesterday at chain matinee.
Absolute legend.
Radio legend in Milwaukee.
And she hates when you say that, but it's true.
And we've loved having her at Civic Media these past couple of years.
But it's really gotten into my head.
It's like, and I know she's she's a couple years older than me, but still it's like
Oh, she's retiring in December.
What can I do?
How
I make this happen
How can I make this work for me?
And then I'm like, wait a minute, you're a political beast, and there is an election cycle ahead.
And by the way, you're doing this thing you love doing.
I absolutely I am working my dream job here.
This is fantastic.
I also get to share with you that the Badger men's basketball team ranked 24th in the country, won their season opener against little Campbell University, the fighting Campbell soup cans of North Carolina 96 to 64.
John Blackwell led the Badger scoring with 31 points.
They will host Northern Illinois come Friday.
We're going to talk about a bunch of bills vetoed by Governor Tony Evers and your daily history lessons on the way in just a little bit as well.
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I still haven't even told you everything that's coming up on the program today.
We'll also talk to Hans Breitenmoser and he's brought along a couple of friends, Keith Phelps and Scott Hershberger, who work in forest management, a special kind of forest management, encouraging the growth of forests in order to store more carbon and help fight a changing climate.
So we'll hear all about the plans to do that, which is more than just, you know, plan a lot of trees, more to it than that, of course.
And all the other topics I mentioned earlier, so if you can't stick around for the whole show from now until nine o'clock, get yourself over to Spotify or Apple.
Wherever you get your podcasts and follow us that way and that way you can listen on demand and while you're signing up for things get over to our website up north news wi.com and sign up for our Sunday morning newsletter with a focus on Wisconsin politics and a little bit of national politics as well and our question of the week where this week I ask you about the economy over the next 12 months because remember there's a big election One year from now
And how's the economy going to do between now and then?
Is it going to kind of, you know, tread water kind of the same kind of slog we're going through?
Are we are we going to a better place?
Things are rough right now, but
things are going to get better at some point here, or do you feel like things are actually going to get worse from here over the next 12 months?
A lot of folks responding so far.
You can sign up for our newsletter at UpGrowthNewsWI.com and find out more.
In our weekday newsletter, Ellie Bordeaux put that together.
This morning's edition is out.
It includes a way that you can help support food banks because of President Trump's government shutdown and cut off of snap benefits Hivee is offering hot sir hot food service and free kids meals this week for kids 12 and under from 4 until 7 and then that same meal will be offered to everyone else at $3 with to go or dine in options
That story and so much more in our newsletter again sign up at up north news wi.com All right, so here's a fair question to ask about the way our legislature should work.
Is it a waste of time and money?
waste of taxpayer resources for legislators to create and listen to and debate and past and pass the bills that they know are going to be vetoed by the governor
Well, some would say it's right.
It's the right thing to do.
You're making a statement by passing those bills, even if the governor vetoes them.
Others would say, you know, that's right up there on par with this meeting could have been an email.
Instead of going through all the rigmarole of writing a bill and scheduling committee hearings, just issue a press release on what it is you'd like to do if you had a governor of your same party.
Well, either way, Republicans sent a bunch of bills to Governor Tony Evers and he
Vetoed a bunch of the bills he signs a lot of bills too, but he signed or he vetoed rather several Republican bills Some of which they have passed to him before and he has vetoed before and that's the part that kind of gets to me It's one thing if you pass a bill one time to make a statement It's another thing if you kind of keep repeating the process over and over because now you look like you're just looking for something to do instead of actually doing things that
could pass and could be beneficial to your constituents.
So again, the governor did sign some bills like the bill that would lead to an eventual cell phone ban in all schools.
There was a bill that would crack down on reckless driving, but he vetoed one that would require state employees to return to full time in office work because many had gone off site.
of course during the pandemic and as the governor noted frankly there are some jobs that have worked better as off-site jobs rather than cramming everybody into a bunch of cubicles or whatever the case may be and that these state agencies need the flexibility to determine which jobs should come back in-house and which jobs should continue to be remote and maybe the legislature shouldn't be micromanaging that.
Again, you may disagree, but that was his reason for vetoing it.
He also vetoed a bill that would have limited how John Doe investigations can be done, especially when it comes to police officers who shoot and kill people in the line of duty.
And we've talked about this one before.
The DA has the authority to determine whether or not to issue a criminal complaint to charge someone like a police officer with a crime.
If the DA decides not to file a criminal complaint,
A judge can still hear, a judge can still hold a hearing, listen to evidence, and then determine whether there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and then issue a criminal complaint, which would lead to formal charges against that officer.
And why would you do that?
Well, frankly, because there's times where the district attorney might be a little too cozy with police officers.
And this is a way for a third party, essentially, to look at things.
And Republicans want to take that away.
They want to say, you know what?
If the DA decides not to press charges, that's it.
That's the end of the matter.
They passed a bill saying as much and Evers said, nope.
We're going to veto that as well.
Let's see, what else was there?
There was one that was micromanaging the Department of Workforce Development, basically as a way again to make it tougher for people to collect unemployment.
He vetoed another bill that changed the identity verification process for unemployment compensation.
Again, these are solutions in search of a problem.
There was another one that would go after people who applied for jobs but then didn't show
up for the job interview because again there are Republicans that want to carry on the trope of like all these people are applying for jobs with no intention of going to the interview but now you're penalizing people who actually can't make it to an interview maybe they've got a sick kid maybe they can't get childcare because their Head Start Center just closed things like that so he vetoed that bill as well.
Here's another bill that's gonna get vetoed because it just got introduced.
Here's a new bill, Assembly Bill 560.
It will seek to ban absentee ballot drop boxes.
Yeah, we talked about this when it was a just language for a bill that some Republicans said they were gonna introduce.
And now they have formally introduced a bill that would ban absentee ballot drop boxes.
Because again, it just seems
If you can't win election on your ideas, you try to limit the amount of people that can vote.
All right, you occasionally hear me gush about an album, an album that you've got to have, even if the album's more than 30 years old, it is just that good.
And we are kicking things off with, well, we're just going to rock out for the start of today's history lesson.
And get yourself set to download the album that I'm going to tell you about.
And just a bit, I'm Pat Crightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Today's history lesson starts with a little Delbert McClinton.
Delbert McClinton is 85 years old today.
Happy birthday.
The legend from Lubbock, Texas.
And I cannot recommend enough his 1992 album, Never Been Rocked Enough.
That song there every time I roll the dice is track one on it and every one of them is just
Amazing.
The album was co-produced by Bonnie Raitt.
That might tell you something.
She's got a duet with Delbert on the album.
Tom Petty and Melissa Etheridge singing some of the background vocals.
Just an excellent album, top to bottom.
That's Delbert McClinton, who today turns 85 years old.
All right, on the birthday list today as well, Ralph Machio, 64 years old today.
And here's where...
Again, we we pick on poor Parker so much for the things that he has or hasn't seen But the fact of the matter is my a lot of my friends and colleagues They can't believe a lot of the things that I haven't seen and Ralph Macho.
It leads to this admission I've never seen five minutes of a karate kid movie any of them not the original not any that followed Geez classic films kind of guy.
What happened?
I am, you know, like Casablanca, not karate kid.
That's me.
Anyway, that little karate kid, Ralph Machio, 64 years old today.
Jeff Probst from Survivor is also 64.
I can't, I can't square that.
Again, because they were famous at two different times, that Jeff Probst and Ralph Machio were born the same day.
And they're 64 years old.
Yeah.
A melancholy happy birthday anniversary to Loretta Swit, hot lit Sulehan from Mash.
She passed away back at the end of May at the age of 87.
She was born 88 years ago today.
All right, time for a little album chart trivia.
It was on this day in 1997 that an album was released that is still one of the top 10 albums of all time.
You'll know it's album I'm talking about just by the first line of this song.
Let's go girls.
Yep, that'd be that one.
Shania Twain released her third album Come On Over this day in 1997 with that track there plus that Don't Impress Me Much Honey I'm Home from this moment on.
You're still the one.
Love gets me every time.
Don't be stupid.
At 31 million certified copies sold, it is the world's seventh best-selling album of all time.
And by the way, we talked about this a year ago and said at the time, it was the eighth best-selling album of all time.
So
it's actually
climbing the list.
As somehow, I forgot to see which one below it, but people bought more of Shania Twain's album than of whatever was above her on the list.
So it's still climbing the charts.
That's wild.
I know.
So again, that album was released this day in 1997.
The number one song this day in 1972 was by Johnny Nash.
That
was 1972.
On this day in 1973, in the Netherlands, they had their first ever Car Free Sunday.
which was caused by the OPEC oil embargo of 1973.
So on Sundays, highways were only to be used by people on bicycles and roller skates.
Since gasoline was really hard to come by.
Could that I feel like we could have done that.
Yeah, with with more.
Anyway, let's see what else have we got today.
Oh, 1978.
Oh, okay, now I have to bring down Johnny Nash because
I so love this next song and I want to hear the very, very beginning of it because it's off of Linda Ronstadt's Living in the USA, which on this date in 1978 went to the top of the album chart with a lot of remakes, including this one.
There's not a lot of people who can take a song by Smokey Robinson and the Miracles and make it their own.
Linda did it.
She had this, she had just one look and other singles off the living in the USA album number one this day in 1978.
The number one single this day in 1978 was also a slow song.
You know, it's Anne Murray.
I'm not gonna badmouth Anne Murray.
It's just that it's no Linda Ronstadt, but here was the number one single from Anne Murray this week in 1978.
It is fair to say, by the way, with these two songs from 1978, that not everything was disco 24-7.
There was still room for something else now and
good point, yeah.
One year later, 1979, the Iran hostage crisis, a group of Iranian college students overran the U.S.
Embassy in Tehran and took hostages, some of whom would remain in captivity for 444 days.
One year later in 1980,
Ronald Reagan would be elected 40th president of the United States defeating incumbent Jimmy Carter and our country has never been the same since and that is not the compliment Thankfully offsetting that is 2008 on this day Barack Obama became the first person of biracial or African-American descent to be elected as president of the United States Sadly that made far too many people lose their minds and our country hasn't been the same since
On this day in 1989, the number one song was by the Swedish pop rock duo Rockset.
And now we're going to go way up to 2015, 10 years ago today.
Chris Stapleton had a big night at the CMA Awards.
He won New Artist of the Year, Male Vocalist of the Year, and Album of the Year for Traveler, his solo debut.
And he also mesmerized the crowd with a performance of this song.
I will say that, again, that performance he did with his wife, Morgan and Justin Timberlake, it says here it went viral.
It didn't for me at the time, but looking at it yesterday, I'm like, oh yeah, I totally see this.
They completely killed this one in a good way.
And I loved one of the comments on YouTube that said, I don't always listen to this song, but when I do, so do my neighbors.
just turn it up So I again I would recommend the version Chris Stapleton his wife Morgan and Justin Timberlake from the CMAs 10 years ago today All right the national day calendars here, and we have a bit of a spoiler alert We might have talked about this one already Parker.
Yes, it is.
But a good reminder as well that there are elections one year from now in Wisconsin.
And if you're not registered to vote, head to myvote.wi.gov and look up your information.
being
Parker.
You've set this up as just like the world's perfect public service announcement.
Here we go.
Parker, don't be dismayed.
Checking your registration status is quick and easy.
Go to myvote.wi.gov.
And if you've moved and need to get registered in your current location, there are quick and easy instructions in there for
almost like we rehearsed this I promise you we did not All right, I thought I was gonna I thought I was gonna be unhappy about this next one But go ahead.
What's what's next on the national day calendar?
Candy
candy not any specific kind of candy No, this is where I was gonna blow up again and go.
What's with these general things like candy?
It's like we have days for every other candy, but then I had
a revelation.
Oh, yeah.
It's when my Catholic upbringing kicked in.
It's like, wait a minute, we have something called All Saints Day, which we just celebrated.
And we have all the days for all the other saints.
But yeah, there's an All Saints Day.
So today is kind of the All Saints Day for candy, just all candy.
That's one way to look.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I like that.
And I have a confession to make.
about about candy and candy corn.
So I did pick up some candy corn because we had a jar of peanuts that hadn't been emptied yet and we'd been nibbling on that for a while.
Kind of making a little salted nut roll.
But now I'm out of peanuts.
Oh, this candy corn.
I don't want to eat just plain candy corn.
Oh gosh.
I know.
Let's see from Alicia.
She says, Oh, I am registered.
And she says, I think the election of Barack Obama was the start of my journey away from the tea party.
Well, the Tea Party really got going in the midterms in 2010.
And again, it was the people who lost their damn minds over Obama being elected.
And yeah, some people were pulled to it, and then some people were repelled by it in time, repulsed by it, I should say.
Perhaps it has something to do with our third entry on the National Day calendar.
sense
Just common sense folks.
That's all we're asking today is common sense day.
All right.
What do we have for entertainment news today?
are
So I did not know that this was a thing late last week when when it first happened.
And then called my mom to check in.
Oh, boy, mom.
How are you?
Patrick, I'm so angry.
Now, you know how my mom occasionally calls me and says, Do you know what they said on the view today?
And I'd be like, No, mom, I have a job.
And I kind of follow the news myself.
But she
Just and now I can't watch I can't watch I can't watch my shows because her local ABC affiliate Was on YouTube.
She was a streamer.
She'd cut the cord.
We got her all set up with YouTube TV and all the apps, you know, she was streaming Yellowstone on Paramount and she was streaming other things through HGTV or whatever.
She was a happy little cord cutter until Disney and YouTube got into this fight with Google and
cut all the ABC and ESPN stations off.
And so yeah, you hear mostly about it about ESPN that people can't get their ESPN on there.
But people want their ABC stations, man, and they are not happy.
a lot because here's one one billion dollar company against this billion dollar company who you rooting for on that one.
Yeah, except for maybe both of them to burn down, you know, I mean, honestly, honestly, what do you do?
he can do it, but it's the, it's the principle of it.
And, you know, and much like health insurance and all these other things, cell phone plans, there's like no easy thing.
It used to be you call your cable company.
How much does it cost to hook up?
You know, $9.99 a month or whatever.
It was probably five bucks a month back when I first got cable.
And that's it.
And now it's, well, you could go with the silver package or the silver medallion package or the gold package or the gold medallion package.
No, we don't offer that.
It's that way for everything.
It's so convoluted and unnecessarily so.
So Google, Disney, we're rooting for you to find an agreement and then get broken up.
Please.
We'll be back.
I'm Pat Crightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Nice to have you back here on a Tuesday morning.
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through the Civic Media app or get in the comment sections on Facebook and YouTube like Roger did from Steven's point to talk about how actress Diane Ladd who just passed away in 1974 portrayed Flo in the movie Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.
And I have to straighten out again for our younger listeners not Flo from Progressive.
This was a waitress character in this 1974 movie Flo.
And when the movie became a TV series, the TV series Alice, two years later, Polly Holiday took over the role of Flo.
And then when Holiday left the series for her own spin-off, Diane Ladd created a new role as Belle and stayed for a few episodes, but Diane Ladd passed away just two months after Polly Holiday did.
So a couple of entertainment legends from the early 1970s have passed away that we wanted to share today as well.
What else do we have in entertainment news here today?
which
Oh, I had not heard this.
Gee, Dr. Phil, the guy who's always talking everybody else down, you know, because I'll say it again, kids.
I'll say it again.
Look, you can you can give all the advice you want.
I don't have a problem with that.
It's when you strike the holier than thou pose, you know, that it
you know, you're just inviting karma.
And Dr. Phil's not like you.
You and I, we would, we would talk at length about our foibles.
And, you know, but we also wouldn't try to, you know, commit the crime of declaring bankruptcy just to get out of paying your bills and then starting a whole new company.
You can't do that, kids.
And Dr. Phil just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Yes, no doubt there.
All right.
What else we got new out there on on the streaming services?
feel about this.
So Jane Goodall agreed to be interviewed and the condition was it wouldn't be released until she died.
Okay.
It's an interesting
First off, there's a certain level of trust there that you go, yeah, I'm going to spill all my secrets and you're not going to air this until I'm gone.
And then like a week later,
He turned on national scandal as celebrity admits, blah, blah, blah.
I don't think if I were, you know, a celebrity, if they approached me for something like that, I mean, not me, but if I were a big time celebrity, I don't think I could go along with that.
No, it seems a little maybe I'm just cynical.
I've been accused of that before we know that.
But
so it's a it's a series
don't
OK, speaking of a waiting game, the the wait is over.
I know people were trying to find out the news yesterday, but you had to wait until like midnight or something to find out that.
People Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive for 2025 is Jonathan Bailey, the star of the Wicked Movies.
To which I had to say, who?
Thank you.
Yes.
I mean, so he takes over People's Sexiest Man Alive from John Krasinski, who had the honor last year.
But I mean, the Sexiest Man Alive Award, the first the first one.
Do you know who the first one was?
1985?
No, not me, sadly.
I finished second that year.
Mel Gibson.
It's also been, you know, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, JFK Jr.
David Beckham.
JFK Jr.
Again, the award was created in 1985 Parker.
This is
long before his
passing in 1999.
Yes.
Uh, yeah.
The JFK junior was a, it was a big deal.
Um, and then again, passed away in a plane crash far too early.
David Beckham had been at John legend, uh, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Pierce Brosnan, Patrick Dempsey, and the one that always kind of befuddled me, Paul Rudd.
Paul Rudd's a perfectly wonderful person as is John Krasinski.
Don't get me wrong, but Paul Rudd like sexiest man alive Jonathan Bailey had lots of great things to say about it He also spoke about being you know an outward gay actor He founded the shameless fund which supports LGBTQ plus organizations
and says, I know the LGBT sector is under immense threat at the moment.
So it's been amazing to meet people who have the expertise and see potential that I could only dream of.
And so again, that's Jonathan Bailey, Sexiest Man Alive for 2025.
So let the, let the lobbying begin, let the campaign begin for the Sexiest Man Alive 2026.
Tony and Ashlyn puts on YouTube.
I was robbed.
Yes, Tony, you were.
But again.
Maybe next year we can put that in You know who we do have coming up in our next hour voted sexiest man alive in Rhinelander year after year after year Dan Hagen from News Watch 12 WJFW TV will be joining us to talk about the stories that he is following up in his part of the Northwoods and Because it is one year until election day.
We're gonna be talking to congressional candidate Emily Berge the Eau Claire City Council president
who is running in the Democratic primary for the third congressional district, looking to unseat Derek Van Orden.
I'm Pat Crightlow, much more coming up after the news.
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