Every Election Matters (Hour 3)

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Every Election Matters (Hour 3)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri Oct 31, 2025

Pat Critello (host)

It's a special Halloween edition of mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

Live from the haunted Lake Wissota studio, here's your ghost host, Pat Critello.

Parker, you responsible for that?

Parker (contributor)

No, I'm only responsible for

Pat Critello (host)

playing it.

Okay, well, then that's that's fine.

You're sorry.

Let me get my proper Halloween costume on that would be the baseball cap here that says last minute costume on it with a bat and a pumpkin and a few other things.

Wow.

Everybody.

Nice to have you along on this Friday, Halloween morning.

It's a wait, let me get let me get the spear here.

It's a

spooky morning to have you here up north live from

There we go.

The dramatic effect from wherever you're listening across the civic media radio network or all the other ways that you found your way here.

Thanks for getting your Halloween started.

Got a question for you.

Can you tell Parker that I have the scariest Halloween costume on possible right now?

That's right.

I'm dressed up as a Brewer's fan.

Oh, God.

I know I am the ghost of the league championship series past.

I hate it.

I hate it.

Trade your Halloween bats for bats that have gone silent.

Oh, there.

That's I've scared myself.

That's it.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_??

Yeah.

Pat Critello (host)

Join us along the way.

Give us your idea of a much better costume than this 8 5 5 7 5 civic 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 though.

I mean, to be fair, I gave it an effort.

Parker over here is dressed as a mild mannered, you know, young man in his 20s who has an early morning job in a broom closet at a major market radio station.

Yeah, that's you.

Yeah.

Parker (contributor)

Yeah.

You know, every time that we say it's a room closet, I just have to look around and go, yep.

Yep, it is.

Hey, with

Pat Critello (host)

a curtain

Parker (contributor)

for some reason,

Pat Critello (host)

I like the curtain there because it prevents you from seeing some of the other items in the broom closet.

But as somebody who has worked in many of room closet in my day, working my way up the broadcast ladder of excellence, I'm here to tell you the next closet will be bigger.

Mr. Olson.

it will.

I sure hope so.

Right.

Let's see what's coming up on the program today.

We're going to talk to courier newsrooms key of a keel our national political editor.

There are elections one year from next week, one year from Tuesday here in Wisconsin.

But next Tuesday,

There also will be actual elections in several states.

It could be a real barometer of things to come.

And so we will talk to Kia about that in just a little bit.

Of course, Greg Bach will be here after that for our Friday history lesson.

And later on in the program, we'll have Chicago radio legend, Jonas Pezzito joining our Week in Review panel.

And in our eight o'clock hour, Kristen Lierly will be joined by Emily Sefos, a candidate for state senate in the Fox Valley.

So all that and more coming up along the way today.

It is another cold morning around the state.

28 right now in Black River Falls and in Superior.

La Crosse is at 36.

Chippewa Falls here is at 37 degrees.

Wasaw is over at 34 right now.

Let's see, so the number again, 855-755-CIVIC, 855-752-4842, and Cindy is on the line from Appleton to tell us about a costume.

Cindy, good morning.

Cindy from Appleton (caller)

Well, I'm going to beat your scarier brewers costume.

Uh-oh.

I'm dressed up like a Trump supporter.

Pat Critello (host)

No!

No!

No, see, we need...

We need shrieks of horror to guide that and some some organ music.

Oh, you did it, Cindy.

That I mean, you're wearing the red hat, I suppose.

Not really.

I'm just, you know, just pretending.

Oh, I feel so much better for you, Cindy.

Cindy, thank you for calling Happy Halloween and don't ever scare me like that again.

I'm not that young anymore.

And then we've got Alicia who says I'm dressed up as a blue collar worker.

Yeah, Alicia, I know it's the same costume every day and it is appreciated, trust me.

Let's see, what else have we got here?

Oh, Jim from Brookfield's putting in a little something here, so we'll see what he's got in just a bit.

And we'll also continue to take your calls on what you're given out and what other costumes you've had.

I had to take some photos of our neighborhood costume party.

And we held that yesterday just down the street here.

And we've got couples, one of them dressed up in the I Dream of Jeannie costume and her husband dressed up as Major Nelson from I Dream of Jeannie.

I mean, they looked great.

Another couple dressed up as the pair from the painting American Gothic, you know, the farmer holding the pitchfork and they totally nailed that one.

Let's see somebody else had oh, yeah, we had some folks with their they could still fit into their high school letter jacket and cheerleader outfit in in their elderly years, which was pretty impressive Let me tell you and we had some folks who had pom poms and on their shirts.

It said go ceilings Because they were fans ceiling fans.

All right, they can't they can't all be winners

Let's see, Jim from Brookfield might be on the line to talk about his daughter's costume.

Jim, you there?

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

Yes, good morning, Pat.

Good morning, Aaron.

Yes, I just want to let you know that my daughter, she lives out in DC, right, and it works right near the Capitol, but she and her friend are going to a costume party tonight out near the Capitol, and they're going to go as the Lou Birdlers and a pair of Lou Birdlers or the individuals who sold all that.

jewelry.

So earlier this week, my wife and I put a bunch of custom jewelry and some of our things in a box and shipped it out to her.

But we have like a crown and some jewelry or whatnot.

But she's going to go as one of the loop burglars and wear one of the safety vests with all the jewelry.

Pat Critello (host)

I love that.

That's perfect.

I love the the attention that goes into that.

And you were you were essentially an accessory to the accessories in sending that out to

for there.

So good on good

on you.

Well, I hope that doesn't get you in trouble with the law for, you know, aiding and abetting a burglar like that.

But thank you.

Are you are you going out and about yourself?

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

Well, I'll be home with a fire on the front and the skeleton out there and we'll be handing out candy most of the night because in Berksfield it is on Halloween it goes from five to seven 30.

Pat Critello (host)

Five to seven 30 and what are you handing out?

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

Snickers and of course the classic Reese's peanut butter cups and some little yeah, I mean you have to hand out the Reese's so

Pat Critello (host)

Do you get the candy that you know you want like when it's leftover you're going to enjoy the leftovers or do you do you purposely buy something you're not fond of and you try to give it all away

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

The former will buy something that will be more than happy to finish over time if it's not completely handed out.

And it ebbs and flows.

Usually there's a little left, but last year, and even the year with the snowstorm, everything went so

Pat Critello (host)

it

Jim from Brookfield (caller)

kind of ebbs and flows.

We're thinking a full crowd this year.

Pat Critello (host)

Oh, I'll bet you will.

And yeah, I've got my 50 gallon drum of KitKats here.

And if I don't give them all away, well, I'll just have to, I'll have to enjoy them.

That's just fine.

Jim, thank you very much for the call.

I appreciate it.

Have a good start to the weekend.

You as well.

Thank you, Pat.

All right, take care.

And let's see, also from Alicia, one I remember is when I was a ballerina with a snow suit underneath because we had a snowstorm.

What year was that, 1990?

Nope, I think you're thinking of the Halloween Blizzard of 1991, when we tried to take our youngins out, they were

one year that one had just turned one year old and the other just turned three years old.

And yeah, tried the costumes, but had to, you know, put the put the, you know, snow suit over it, essentially, because this, they said, Well, there's a chance of snow on Halloween.

And it was coming down the biggest, fattest flakes.

And the wind was was howling in a fashion that was appropriate to Halloween.

And we thought, Okay, well, this is this is spooky.

This is a

This is actual snow coming down hard on Halloween, having no idea we were going to get 30 inches.

Parker (contributor)

I love because Halloween, you typically get some interesting costumes.

I really love the idea of a guy like dressed up as a surfer dude or something like that and just snowflakes in the air.

Uh

Pat Critello (host)

huh.

Yep.

It would not have.

It would not have been.

It would not have worked out.

So you wanted you wanted to dress like a snowboarder that year.

There

you

go.

Yeah.

Okay, well, I appreciate that.

So keep those ideas coming in through the text line or make a phone call.

Put something in the comment section of Facebook or YouTube.

And give us also more costume ideas.

Here's the other reason you need the costume ideas, not just for last minute things for tonight, but for next year.

Because tonight, it's on a Friday night.

Next year, it will be on a Saturday.

So there you go.

Alicia followed up on the Halloween Blizzard.

There's a photo somewhere of me next to a jack-o'-lantern and a pile of snow.

Yes.

I'm really glad that we're not seeing that coming up here and now.

In the news on this Friday, this is unfortunate and this is amazingly unnecessary.

But in Wisconsin, the first two Head Start programs are going to be shutting down.

because of the Republicans shutting down the government.

And that means hundreds of kids and a couple dozen child care, a few dozen childcare providers will be hurt.

And this is only the first domino of others that could fall because Head Start programs, which provide early childhood education, childcare, health, nutrition, parent involvement services to lower income families.

Head Start operates on a federal grant.

that is given out annually.

And these first two Head Start programs have grants that are supposed to come down November 1st.

And because of the shutdown, that's not happening.

So they have to close their doors.

One is the Southwestern Wisconsin Community Action Program.

It will close its nine Head Start classrooms next week.

That'll affect 114 children in Richland, Green, Grant, Lafayette, and Iowa counties.

and 34 staff who will get no paychecks while this is going on.

Also, the Sheboygan Human Rights Association will close its Head Start classrooms on November 14th.

That'll impact 172 children in Sheboygan County and 48 staff who will go without paychecks.

And not only those 172 children, but of course their parents who will suddenly not have

the usual childcare option for them and are going to be left scrambling.

Now again, because these are federal grants done on an annual basis, those are the two in Wisconsin that were due to get their annual grant on November 1st.

There are more coming.

Governor Evers made this announcement yesterday about the first two.

And noted there are three more Head Start programs that are expecting a grant on December 1st affecting more than 1,100 children.

And on January 1st,

Four more programs affecting 1,250 children, nationally around three quarters of a million kids get educational and developmental services through Head Start.

And Donald Trump and Derek Van Norton and Tom Tiffany and Tony Weed and Brian Stile and all the other congressional Republicans out there don't mind this one bit.

They are happy to keep this shut down going rather than negotiate with Democrats to avoid monster price hikes for health insurance.

That's the weird thing about this.

It's not like they're demanding anything where you'd go, Oh, well, that seems reasonable.

Let's let's try to meet halfway on this.

No, the reason that they are refusing to negotiate with Democrats to get the votes they need to get the government reopened is they'd rather see health insurance costs go through the roof.

And that's what's going to be happening tomorrow.

When the open enrollment period begins under the Affordable Care Act in the marketplace there's gonna be massive sticker shock and I think a lot of those Republicans are gonna be hearing from their constituents next week saying What are we doing here?

And in the meantime everybody else that's suffering through the snap benefits and and everything else that's happened to workers who aren't getting paychecks or working having to work for the federal government without getting paid That's all very scary in a non Halloween kind of way

We'll talk more about the headlines with Courier Newsroom's Kia Vaquille coming right up from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota.

Thanks for the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Critello.

This is the Pacific Media Radio Network.

Pat (host)

Welcome back on this Friday morning.

Time to check in with Courier Newsroom's national political editor, Kiavakeel.

Kia, how are

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

you?

I'm all right, Pat.

Living one day at a time.

Pat (host)

Well, of course, you're in Los Angeles.

I mean, you're on pins and needles.

The Dodgers are this close to blowing the World Series later tonight in Canada.

I also know you're not worried one bit about that.

Are you Philly's fan?

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

No, not particularly.

And I'm more watching my LAFC soccer team.

So

Pat (host)

I'm one of the great

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

people who is not all that invested in the World Series despite living in LA.

Pat (host)

Let's start with next week rather than the we'll get to the shutdown of course and other things but there's something there's some big things happening next week that I think we should preview here.

It's not election day here we'll be marking one year until the big 2026 elections for governor and congress and legislature but there are elections ever other places next Tuesday.

What should we be looking for?

You want to start with where you are in California?

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

Sure.

So we have Prop 50 here in California, which is essentially a ballot measure asking voters to approve a new congressional map that would most likely see Democrats pick up another five seats.

Of course, this is in response to Texas Republicans gerrymandering their map, which kicked off a whole saga that we now have like half a dozen states involved in.

We have that across the country in New Jersey and Virginia.

You have two governor's races, some legislative races.

In New York, we obviously have the mayoral race.

In Minneapolis, we have a mayoral race.

We have a state Supreme Court races in Pennsylvania.

And then there's others and different spots all across the country as well.

Pat (host)

It'll be interesting though to see what we learn in those because during Donald Trump's first term,

Basically, every special election, every midterm, everything like that was a setback, all leading to Trump losing his own reelection in 2020.

This time around, I mean, he got reelected.

He's got a base that is devoted to him, but we're really going to see a barometer of whether that base turns out in other elections next week.

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

Yeah, I mean we are and you know, this does feel slightly different than 2017 You know, I do think we've already had a handful of specials this year where Democrats have overperformed which is not surprising the base Democratic base now turns out more in these sorts of off years But yeah, it'll be interesting if Republicans win one of the governor's races in Virginia or New Jersey That's a huge win and frankly like a huge

a huge choke job by the Democrats.

And so it'll be very interesting to see what we learn.

I think we can't look at any one election or race as like indicative of anything, but as a whole.

Yeah, I think there's going to be some signs under the hood of what we can expect going into next year.

Pat (host)

All right.

Certainly, clouding all of this is what's happening with the government shutdown for as long as Republicans can keep.

you know, the government shut down and spread the pain around.

And we've already talked about, you know, the first two Head Start programs in Wisconsin that are likely going to have to cease operations.

And of course, you see the stories from throughout the Courier Newsroom Network and, you know, Head Start is just the latest casualty along with SNAP benefits and Affordable Care Act health insurance premiums and military paychecks.

And so why not Head Start, right?

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

Yeah, I mean, it's brutal.

We're going to see lots of

working class, low income, frankly just poor, even some middle class people, they're gonna lose childcare for their kids, they're gonna lose food benefits that they rely on.

We're gonna see people with disabilities and seniors and veterans and kids probably go hungry because the government shut down as it relates to SNAP, the Trump administration refuses to use emergency funding, even though that's what it's there for.

Head start, like that's gonna decimate parents, like parents,

Childcare is extraordinarily expensive.

Head Start is there for parents who can least afford it to pay for childcare.

And without it, what are they going to do?

Are they not going to work?

Are they going to lose their jobs?

Are their kids going to go without care?

It creates impossible situations for families who already basically live the lucky ones paycheck to paycheck.

Some of these people don't even live paycheck to paycheck.

And it's just really galling because Republicans control the White House.

They control the house.

They control the Senate.

And yet no one expects them to be reasonable.

It's all about, oh, when will the Democrats cave and make sure that people don't go hungry and don't lose health, don't lose childcare?

When will the Republicans actually...

try to fight and make sure people don't use those things.

It's just, it's such BS that the narrative is what it is.

Pat (host)

It is.

And again, it is testimony to, you know, the right wing media bubble.

It is so much larger than, you know, a lot of people want to give credit for.

And then in the midst of all this, Kia are just a wave of layoffs across corporate America.

I know we've talked about it previously, but I mean, these, these are not numbers to sneeze at of people losing their jobs beyond the federal government.

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

No, it's a lot of number.

It's a lot of layoffs.

We have seen Target, we've seen Amazon, Microsoft, all sorts of GM this week announced a couple thousand layoffs across the Midwest.

It's brutal.

And, you know, to some extent, you do tend to see more layoffs tick up towards the end of the year as these companies, you know, want to juice their stock price and their earnings.

But this feels a little different to me.

It is

tens, if not hundreds of thousands of layoffs happening within the span of a couple weeks in September and October.

It's also a lot of white collar jobs, which is something you don't always see.

And I, you know, it's happening at the time that we're seeing car loan delinquencies go up, credit payments fall behind, all sorts of different economic indicators kind of flashing red.

Meanwhile, you have the stock market continuing a really strange climb upwards on the back of like six or seven stocks.

And so it's very much

It feels like a bubble built largely on the back of AI.

And meanwhile, everything else and everyone else is struggling.

And if and when that bubble bursts, which I suspect it will.

This is just going to be the beginning of layoffs possibly and that's really scary.

Pat (host)

And I would reference people back to yesterday's show in our eight o'clock hour.

We talked to Sean O'Malley, a Wall Street expert all about the AI bubble.

And he's a compliance expert on Wall Street.

And if he's afraid of just how massive this bubble is, this is something everybody needs to be paying attention to.

All right, we're heading into our history lesson next.

So I'll leave you with some musical trivia.

If I give the name Robert Van Winkle as having a birthday tomorrow.

anything for Robert Van Winkle.

Come on, you've got every one of the CDs.

You know, it

Kia Vekil (national political editor)

sounds like a made up

Pat (host)

name.

No, the made up name is vanilla ice because Robert Van Winkle wasn't good enough.

So Kia Vekil.

Thank you very much.

Have a good weekend.

And we will note Mr. Van Winkle, Mr. Ice's birthday after this.

You're up north.

We're starting our Friday history lesson with a little hoody, like the owl for Halloween.

It's nothing like that.

See, this is why we only let Pat play on Halloween every so often, other times it just takes the day off.

Atlantic Records signed Hoody and the Blowfish this day in 1993.

The band's debut, Cracked Rear View, would become the best-selling album in Atlantic Records history.

The title or the track they only want to be with you hit number one on the pop charts letter cry and Time and hold my hand.

We're all top five hits for hootie and the blowfish and then they Practically went away, but that's the music business for you.

Welcome to our history lesson for a Friday Friday Well, that means Greg Bakka's here boys and girls.

Oh good morning.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yay Hello

Pat (host)

everybody

And what are you dressed up as today?

Greg Bach (guest)

As an accomplished adult.

Very good.

Very nice.

If you check my Instagram feed, I am Greg Bach on Instagram.

See what they did there?

Plugged my Instagram.

You will see pictures of a final, finished, completed garage cleanup.

Parker Olson (contributor)

Ooh.

That's

Greg Bach (guest)

a big project.

That was amazing.

Scary.

Pat (host)

It's scary to get something like that done.

Yeah.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yeah.

So that's all right.

And it's perfect timing because Trick or Treat and Kenosha is tonight from four to seven.

So I can set myself up in the garage with some candy and a chair and allow the dozen of children to come through the neighborhood.

Pat (host)

That's awesome.

Wait a minute.

I'm looking at this on Instagram.

Now this is the before picture.

Greg Bach (guest)

The first picture is the before picture.

Pat (host)

Oh, OK.

Parker Olson (contributor)

Oh, there's a before and

Pat (host)

after.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, there's the after.

Parker Olson (contributor)

Pat was really worried about that first picture going, this is clean.

Pat (host)

I was going to say, wait a

Greg Bach (guest)

minute.

Do you understand what clean looks like, Greg?

Because this looks like you dropped a bomb inside of it.

Pat (host)

If you could just get a bobcat or some other kind of a bulldozer and

Greg Bach (guest)

just push

Pat (host)

some of that over and make some space, that would be great.

No, I like the idea of handing out candy while you're in your garage, making it kind of an outdoor thing.

Greg Bach (guest)

Some of

Pat (host)

our neighbors sometimes will have a little fire pit going or something.

Ooh, that's cool.

Yeah.

Make it nice and spooky.

Greg Bach (guest)

Plus kids knocking on the door and ringing the doorbell and coming up.

Not so good for my dog.

Oh, that's

Pat (host)

true.

Yeah.

Yes.

Greg Bach (guest)

All right.

I'm going to subtract her from the equation and just plant myself in the garage and hand the candy out.

Pat (host)

I think that's just the way to go.

All right.

Also on today's history lesson on this day in 1964, Baby Love by the Supremes goes to number one, giving them their second chart topper after Where Did I Love, Where Did I Love Go, making them the first Motown Act with two number one hits.

On this day, oh my gosh, it's 50 years ago.

50 years ago today, Queen released Bohemian Rhapsody.

every so often we play something during the history lesson and I can hear a good chunk of the listenership go stop no let the song play just go

Parker Olson (contributor)

get some

Pat (host)

coffee or something but we can't do sing along this morning with Bohemian Rhapsody much as we all would like to because ever since Wayne's World the movie you have to give it a very dramatic interpretation when you're singing along to Bohemian Rhapsody.

Greg Bach (guest)

And that song and Queen seems to have like a decade comeback.

Like, it happened for Wayne's World, then a decade later, and then the biopic came out.

They always seem to be coming back into our lives, which I have no problem with.

Pat (host)

No, none whatsoever.

And I love the part of the movie where they play it for the record executive, and he's like, what the heck is this?

Nobody will listen to this.

And 50 years later, nobody knows his name, but we know the tune.

On this on this day in 1941, Mount Rushmore was completed after 14 years of work.

On this day in 1968, the Milwaukee Bucks won their first game after losing the first five.

They got their first win after beating Detroit this day in 1968.

By the way, they beat Golden State last night, 120 to 110.

Yana sitting out with a sore left knee.

All right, I.

I think you've got this one already, Greg, but on the birthday list, if I tell you that this is, as I said to Kia Vekila a moment ago, Robert Van Winkle's birthday.

Greg Bach (guest)

You know who we're talking about, right?

Yeah, I do,

Pat (host)

baby.

Let's play a little of Mr. Van Winkle's greatest hit.

Greg Bach (guest)

Speaking of Queen.

If there was a problem, go, I'll solve it.

Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

Vanilla Ice is 58 years old today.

Greg Bach (guest)

And got sued by Queen and David Bowie.

Pat (host)

Yes, and rightly so.

Dan Rather is 94 years old today.

Bring that music down just a little bit there.

Greg Bach (guest)

In

Pat (host)

fact, it's Vanilla Ice.

You can.

Greg Bach (guest)

Melt the ice a little bit.

Melt the ice, Parker.

We done with this.

Pat (host)

Yeah, I'm done.

Wow.

Actor Brian Doyle Murray.

Bill Murray's brother is 80 years old.

Greg Bach (guest)

Oh my goodness.

Pat (host)

I don't think he gets enough do.

I mean, he's

Greg Bach (guest)

played

Pat (host)

some great roles in Christmas vacation and Caddyshack and Groundhog Day.

Greg Bach (guest)

Well, his work with Second City and SNL.

I mean, he has been, if you hear it, you might, you might know the name, but you can't put it to a face and you, but you know the face.

As soon as you go to the

Pat (host)

face and you hear the voice and you go, yep, that's,

Greg Bach (guest)

that's, I'm professionally

Pat (host)

angry.

Two people born this day in 1950.

I wish they both were still with us.

Only one is Jane Pauley turned 75 years old today.

And I wish John Candy did as well.

He was born this day in 1950, gone way too soon in 1994 at the age of 43.

Have you seen the John Candy documentary yet?

Greg Bach (guest)

It was beautifully heartbreaking.

I could spend hours, but I will not.

That documentary was amazingly done.

Pat (host)

That is on our watch list for this week.

Greg Bach (guest)

And if I may put another great documentary just put out recently made by the children of the subject, Mira and Stiller Nothing Lost is the Ben Stiller documentary about their parents.

Pat (host)

And I loved Stiller and Mira back in the day.

Yeah.

Oh, they were they were great night.

No, when the when their Nepo baby came up and like, Oh, he's not going to be any good.

Turns out Ben Stiller is actually pretty good.

Greg Bach (guest)

He's amazing.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

And with parents like that.

So yes, I'm glad you reminded me.

Okay, it's a documentary weekend.

There

Greg Bach (guest)

you

Pat (host)

go.

The household.

All right.

On this day in 1980, Bruce Springsteen got his first ever number one album with the river featuring this top five hit.

I think we've talked about this before, old classic songs and finally you kind of pay attention to the lyrics and go, oh gosh, I don't know if I still like this song as much.

Give a listen.

Okay, now.

Greg Bach (guest)

It's like when you listen to the lyrics to the Pina Colada song, you're like, oh, everyone in this song is a trash bag.

They're terrible.

None of them deserve happiness.

Pat (host)

This guy's abandoning his family.

We're just

Greg Bach (guest)

celebrating this.

I'm laughing.

Pat (host)

Oh my goodness.

But yeah.

Greg Bach (guest)

1980

Pat (host)

is when he had his number one album, The River.

On this day in 2011, if it felt a little more crowded around here, it's because the world population reached 7 billion.

In 2021, it's currently at eight and a quarter billion people.

Greg Bach (guest)

It's just too many people.

Yes.

Meanwhile, meanwhile, Dr. Oz says America's under-babyed.

That's another topic for another

Pat (host)

time.

Oh.

I think you keep saving these topics because I'm gonna need a guest host

Greg Bach (guest)

one of these days podcast podcast.

Pat (host)

Yeah.

Yes.

On this day in 2008, an anonymously submitted white paper called Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system was published describing a decentralized peer to peer network that could track and verify transactions while producing a transparent, verifiable record, the money of the future, or a Ponzi scheme, you be

Greg Bach (guest)

the judge, you know.

No, thank you.

No, thank you.

Pat (host)

Yeah Okay, here's here's a case of old song and it's remake here's the old song from 1963 the number one song was by Jerry the pacemakers

Greg Bach (guest)

Now

Pat (host)

folks either know you'll never walk alone

from that version as fans of the Liverpool Soccer Club, because that is still their theme, or maybe they remember hearing Jerry Lewis sing it at the end of all of his Labor Day telethons.

Whatever the case may be, it's a perfectly lovely song.

But I gotta say, I still prefer the way the dropkick Murphy's gave it a little touch.

They stepped up the tempo just a little bit.

I think it's still beautiful, but then... More bagpipe.

Okay, we've heard more cowbell.

This is the first time we go, I need more bagpipe.

Greg Bach (guest)

I

Pat (host)

need more bagpipe.

I love that song.

I love that version of it.

On this day in 1969, the Beatles scored their third

Keith number one album with Abbey Road.

A few singles off there like this one.

By about this time, you thought the Beatles are going to be around forever.

I

Greg Bach (guest)

mean, look at

Pat (host)

the stuff they're cranking out.

It's all so different and imaginative and little did they know they were.

coming near the end of the road on this one, the Abbey Road.

See what I did there.

On this day in 19, thank you.

On this day in 1992, the Roman Catholic Church apologized for its treatment of Galileo.

The Italian

Greg Bach (guest)

astronomer.

Pat (host)

That is late than never.

359 years late acknowledging he'd been right about the earth revolving around the sun.

You know, the important thing is that you recognize

Parker Olson (contributor)

that

Pat (host)

you are

Parker Olson (contributor)

wrong.

Was it just?

Had they already acknowledged the Earth and Sun thing, or was this the first time about the Earth and Sun too?

Pat (host)

No, this is just the the apology.

Parker Olson (contributor)

Okay, just the apology for

Pat (host)

Galile.

Okay, that's good.

Yeah, we probably shouldn't have done all those terrible things to you.

Oh, wow.

Also, in 1969, I mentioned that Abbey Road was the number one album.

The number one single was by

Greg Bach (guest)

Elvis.

Pat (host)

Suspicious Mines came right after the 1968 comeback special.

It was his 17th and final number one song here in the country.

There is today's history lesson for you.

What pray tell?

Parker Olson is on the national day calendar, besides it being Halloween, of course.

Parker Olson (contributor)

Well, Pat, because it's Halloween, it's also, I believe, Frankenstein Friday.

Frankenstein Friday?

Frankenstein Friday.

No word on if this is about the doctor or the monster.

Pat (host)

I think you can't have one without the other.

Greg Bach (guest)

Or it's my favorite comedy duo Frank and Stein.

There you go.

Pat (host)

There's a hot dog.

Here's a beer.

Yes.

All right.

What else are we celebrating today?

Parker Olson (contributor)

It is also National Breadstick Day.

I'm a big breadstick.

Why?

What do you mean why?

Why on Halloween?

I never understand these

Pat (host)

dates.

Greg Bach (guest)

You asked Parker to do the national day calendar.

You didn't ask him to do deep research on the origin stories.

Pat (host)

Clearly, I need to upgrade the assignment here.

Why?

Why?

Why on Halloween are we doing

Parker Olson (contributor)

breadsticks?

All right, do you want one that makes sense today?

Greg Bach (guest)

Yes, yes.

Parker Olson (contributor)

It's caramel apple.

Greg Bach (guest)

That better?

Yes, thank you.

What do you want from me?

It's caramel apple dick.

SPEAKER_??

Yeah.

Pat (host)

Caramel apples, that thing that you get to enjoy from when it first takes out, you know, one of your baby teeth.

Greg Bach (guest)

Yeah,

Pat (host)

it takes out one of your adult teeth in your advanced age and you go, that's it.

No more caramel apples.

It was a good ride while it lasted.

Could you swipe this up for me, please?

Better yet, could you mash it?

Parker Olson (contributor)

Let's see.

What else we got?

There's also knock knock joke day.

Pat (host)

Halloween

Parker Olson (contributor)

on Halloween when we return.

We'll tell you why.

Pat (host)

After this?

Pat Crichtlow

Welcome back to a spooky edition of Mornings with Pat Crichtlow, powered by Up North News.

Craig Bakas

Oh, that's it.

Okay.

Here we are back on Halloween on this Friday morning, October 31st.

Craig Bakas here along with Parker Olson as we were going through today's history lesson, the national day calendar, some entertainment news to follow.

Greg, when you're handing out the candy in the driveway, will you be gussied up in some way shape or form?

I'll be gussied up

Pat Crichtlow

in a jacket.

And that's it.

Craig Bakas

Well, pants.

I'll be pants.

No costume.

I was gonna say my favorite social media posts from yesterday said

All it takes to be Winnie the Pooh is a red t-shirt and a lot of courage.

Pat Crichtlow

No, I don't I might wear my little Batman mask.

I just I don't do I'm not against Halloween.

Like I'm not like an anti Halloween person, but it's to me very it's takes a lot of thought that it can be expensive if you want to do a good costume.

So I just I let I let the people who are really into it take it like you do your thing.

I

Craig Bakas

appreciate it.

Pat Crichtlow

Let's take

Craig Bakas

leave it.

Leave it to the masters.

All right.

Yeah, we get we gave Parker a good three, four minutes here to come up with the best possible knock, knock joke for national knock, knock joke.

Yeah.

What do you

Parker Olson

got?

Knock, knock.

Craig Bakas

Who's there?

Parker Olson

Radio.

Craig Bakas

Radio who?

Parker Olson

Radio not.

Here I come.

It's a knock, knock joke.

It's not going to be good guys.

Craig Bakas

Yeah.

Look, there is only one.

really good knock knock joke.

And it is the first time a kid learns the banana orange one.

Yeah, when they when they successfully tell it for the first time, and they laugh and they laugh, they think it's just the greatest of the orange glad they didn't say banana.

And they're like crying.

They're so happy and proud of themselves.

I'm like, good for you.

Never tell any more knock knock jokes.

That's the peak right there of knock knock joke them.

Exactly.

All right, let's do some entertainment news and other celebrity gossip, things like that.

Shall we start with?

I haven't seen CBS Mornings in the better part of forever, but apparently there might be a personnel change in the works.

Parker Olson

There are reports that Gil King is going to be leaving CBS Mornings, just with the changes that are kind of going on at CBS in general.

Yeah.

Pat Crichtlow

Not great, you know, I would I'd love to make a space joke right now But like that story just I read I read the story about CBS and it just make it just it really it Guts me it really just much like CBS is being gutted right now.

Craig Bakas

Yes Yeah, exactly and in Gale King's case again your Oprah's best friend

you know why why wouldn't you just be sitting on the veranda every day and you know talking and if you want to you know put a microphone between you and have a little podcast you're working way too hard if if you get to be best friends with opera you don't have to work that hard but that sounds like

Parker Olson

a good deal

Craig Bakas

it would be a good deal i mean just like if greg were to become you know a billion-dollar lottery winner

Yeah, I mean, do you think I'd be working this hard on morning radio?

No, I'd be hanging out by the pool with him offering to wash his car every so often, whatever it took to be in the shadow of your money.

For the love of friendship.

Yes, exactly.

All right.

What

Parker Olson

else you

Craig Bakas

got?

Parker Olson

Prince Andrew yesterday is being stripped of his royal titles by King Charles.

comes with the allegations of him being connected to Jeffrey Epstein.

Craig Bakas

Wait, you mean somebody can face consequences for their association with a monster sexual predator?

I cannot believe that.

Pat Crichtlow

Wow.

And it's done by the man's brother, too.

Like we have the politicians who are like, I can't.

There are so many people.

It's like, it's like, you're not related.

Like you can do this.

You're not related to any of them.

King Charles just like smacked his brother down.

Craig Bakas

Yeah.

And apparently, rightly so.

That's that's how it's supposed to work.

Wow, actual consequences.

Yeah, we we've got to try to import that in this country.

See if we can't work on that with that 218th vote in Congress to finally release things.

Okay, so Prince Andrew will no longer be a prince.

Um, now Prince Harry is still a prince, right?

He just not the other things, the Duke of this or that.

As

Parker Olson

far as I know, I frankly, I thought that this was about Prince Harry at first when I read it.

And then I realized,

Craig Bakas

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah.

Harry and Megan, they just get booed at Dodger games.

Yeah.

You know, whereas if you, if you were to drop now soon to be not Prince Andrew into the middle of a crowded Dodger stadium, I think they'd do more than boo.

Parker Olson

He's now known as a Andrew Mountbatten, that Windsor, which I did not know.

that Windsor was actually part of their family name.

Pat Crichtlow

Yes,

Parker Olson

they're the

Pat Crichtlow

Mount Baton Windsor dot dot dot still rich.

Craig Bakas

Yeah, but he doesn't get to live in the Royal

Parker Olson

Mansion anymore.

Craig Bakas

Still creepy still probably needs to pay more of a price.

But we got to start somewhere.

All right, got one more force.

Parker Olson

The runner up of season six of the Bachelorette.

Chris Lampton, obviously, you know that.

Oh, of course.

Yes.

He is running to be a state representative in Massachusetts.

He's running as a Democrat and says that Realty TV really got him ready because it taught him how to do interviews and think

Craig Bakas

on your feet.

You know, reality TV is the way toward public service and elected office.

I mean, look at Sean Duffy.

He's running NASA right now and the U.S.

Department of Transportation and his experience is some law school and some lumberjacking and dancing around in his underwear on reality TV.

There you go.

What, what else do you need?

So if this bachelorette guy wants to do it, I, in this day and age, I can't call him unqualified, even if he's remarkably unqualified.

Pat Crichtlow

I just am very not happy about

Craig Bakas

that.

We're just ending on a, on a great note here.

But I'm happy to be

Pat Crichtlow

here though.

I'm always happy to be here every Friday with the both of you talking about all the fun stuff.

here

Craig Bakas

in

Pat Crichtlow

the mornings with Pat Crichtlow.

See what I did there.

Craig Bakas

I love the civic media.

What you got on Matt and Aaron air today coming up today.

We got Dan Schaefer.

All right.

Dan Schaefer day.

We're recombobulating the news, friends.

Okay.

Looking forward to that nine to 11 across the civic media radio network.

Have a good weekend, Greg.

Thank you.

you too as well.

Thanks guys.

We'll talk to you soon.

You bet.

Still ahead.

We're going to have our week in review panel here.

It will be former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, journalist Mark Jacob, and pinch hitting for Jennifer Schulze will be Chicago radio legend Joan Esposito.

And then in our eight o'clock hour, we'll talk to Dr. Kristen Lierly.

Let's see, we will have Emily Cephosan as well, a candidate for state Senate.

All that and more ahead across the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat Critello from UpNorth News, back after this.

Unknown Announcer

It's a special Halloween edition of Mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

Live from the haunted Lake Wissota studio, here's your ghost host,

Pat Criteilow

Pat Critello.

Did he say...

Crite Low or Frite Low?

I can never tell there.

Anyway, welcome back to a Halloween Friday, October 31st, 2025.

Nice to have you along.

Parker Olson producing things in Madison Studio A2.

And coming up, we've got our Week in Review panel, which will include former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel, journalist Mark Jacob, and I believe we're also going to have Jonas Pizito joining us from Chicago as well once we get her all connected here.

to talk about some of the headlines of the past week.

And then in our eight o'clock hour, Mike Clemens will take the day off.

So we'll bring in Emily Seffos to join me and Dr. Kristen Lierly.

Talk a bit about her campaign for state Senate over in the Fox Valley as well.

And you can join us, 855-75-CIVIC, 855-7524842.

We've had a few callers already telling us about their Halloween costumes, either the ones they're wearing tonight.

or their favorite costumes from the past.

Would love to hear if you had any that were particularly creative or complex and what it took to bring those things to life.

I am dressed up as a Brewer's fan, which is the scariest it gets for me, the Ghost of League Championship Series past, trading in Halloween bats for Brewer's bats that go silent against Dodger pitchers.

I get frightened just thinking about it again.

Tony asks, no one dressed up like Derek Van Orden, the scariest person imaginable?

Well, I mean, you could dress up like him, but I

I can't talk out of both sides of my mouth in quite the same way to say, oh, no benefits are going to be cut.

And oh, it's so good that we passed this thing that's going to cut everybody's benefits.

If you missed it earlier, we talked about how there are already two Head Start programs in Wisconsin that are going to be closing their doors because of the government shutdown.

Head Start provides educational and childcare services to three quarters of a million children across

the United States.

And each one of these individual Head Start programs gets a federal grant for a 12 month period.

And it's staggered throughout the course of the year.

So on November 1, two Head Start programs in Wisconsin are going to be closing their doors.

And that's going to impact a couple 100 kids, dozens of providers who will not get paychecks during this shutdown.

And then if the shutdown

first, there will be more head starts that have to close up.

And again, on January 1st, there'll be more head starts with well over 1000 kids each time that will no longer have that childcare option, their parents won't, it's going to affect their workplace, or they either have to take time off from work, perhaps even lose their job as a result of what is happening here with a president

and congressional Republicans who have the power to end things any time but don't want to because they understand what it is that Democrats want in order to get their votes to reopen the government and that would be to not have

the astronomical price hikes that are coming to health insurance plans under the Affordable Care Act marketplace starting tomorrow.

And we talked about that earlier.

We gave very specific examples of how these prices are going to go up.

And we have Republicans who are saying, well, that's what Democrats want.

That's why those premium tax credits expired.

Well, then let's renew them.

Let's extend them just like we did for the Republicans' desire to extend the tax cuts for the very wealthy and for corporations.

And that's why you see such low levels of trust in the nation's capital right now is that Republicans were willing to, you know, fight for what they want for the wealth and corporations.

But, you know, when when Democrats do it, apparently they're the ones that need to cave.

And that's not that's just not going to fly because there's one group out there looking out for health insurance premiums for everybody.

and not just tax breaks for their favorite donors.

This is something that's going to be affecting food assistance as well.

Unnecessarily, there are contingency funds available to continue SNAP benefits, but the Trump administration doesn't want to pay it.

Ollie in the Northwoods is on the line at 855-75 Civic to tell us a bit more about some thoughts on SNAP.

Ollie, good morning.

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

Hi.

First off, I'd like to start with the thing President Herbert Hoover

Promised a chicken in every pot and Donald Trump is giving everybody an empty pot Yes, and I would just like to to encourage everyone who's listening to Quit blaming one person after another and instead get on the phone lines the text lines Straight to the White House and talk to the man in charge

Um and tell him get on the ball and start taking care of his own country

Pat Criteilow

Couldn't agree more that you know, there's there's one guy that by the way You know, you know how he's got that that nickname taco for Trump always chickens out.

Have you heard that?

I mean you bet he just did it yesterday

with China, where he claims to have reached a deal.

But when you look at the details, it's all he gave up everything.

He won nothing out of this.

You think he could do the same for for Americans health insurance and food benefits, right?

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

You bet.

That's what I think it's terrible that he's leaving his country in time of

of need and chaos caused by him and trotting around the world, pretending to do business and getting nothing done.

Pat Criteilow

No, getting nothing done and just allowing people to be hurt and, and he seems to be reveling in it.

So all your advice is spot on that people should call, you know, the White House switchboard, but they should also call their congressional representative, you know, whoever it is.

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

I've been doing that, but

Pat Criteilow

I

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

think, you know, like go to the top, go, you know.

call them but go but don't be afraid to go to the top call the White House.

If you if you're on X and you're on his buddy line and you're one of the people who voted for him then you get on the ball and you tell him it's time to change things.

I watched a thing from Bernie Sanders and he

did a town hall meeting in Virginia and those people were mostly Republicans and they were every bit as worried about where their food and their health care was going to come to come from as any of us up here in a blue state or a purple state.

Everybody is hurting and the only one that can stop this is the man.

who started it.

Pat Criteilow

Yeah, without a doubt.

And you know what, so much more in red states that are even more frequent users of SNAP and of, you know, the health insurance tax credits that come from the Affordable Care Act.

So I think, Ollie, a lot of these folks are going to start seeing

the premium price hikes, they're going to start watching their their local head start close, they're going to lose their stamp benefits.

And I think the right you've got the right advice for them is don't just look at that and shake your head actually pick up the phone and let them know.

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

Call the White House call.

Call your local but whatever number you can think of you can find don't be afraid to do that.

Unidentified

I've

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

even called, quite honestly, I've called the Ukrainian embassy and told Zelensky not to listen to Trump's promises because you can't trust him.

Pat Criteilow

No, no, not trustworthy at all.

Ollie, it's good advice.

Thank you so much for the phone call.

I hope you have a good start to the weekend.

Ollie from the Northwoods (caller)

You too.

Happy Halloween.

Pat Criteilow

Happy Halloween to you too, Ollie.

Thank you for the call.

Again, 855-757-855-7524842 to reach out to us.

It is quarter past seven right now.

Let's take a look at some sports here.

There was Badger Men's Hockey last night.

The 14th ranked Badger Men's Hockey team beat 19th ranked Minnesota.

five to two, they will play the Gophers again, but it won't be until tomorrow 6pm at the Cole Center.

And you can listen to that game tomorrow starting at 530 on WFHR in Wisconsin Rapids and on WJMS in Ironwood, Michigan.

That's one of our new Civic Media stations out there.

Badger Women's Hockey, the top ranked team

country, they will be putting their 10 and 0 record on the ice tonight as they too host the Minnesota Gophers, the third-ranked team in women's college hockey.

That will take place at LaBona Arena at 6 p.m.

tonight and then again tomorrow afternoon at 2 for Badger Women's Hockey.

Let's see, Badger football team, they are off this weekend.

The Badger men's basketball team begins their season on Monday.

Badger Women's Volleyball, the 11th ranked Badger Women's Volleyball team.

They are 15 and three on the season.

We'll have the match of the season tonight at the UW Fieldhouse taking on number one ranked Nebraska.

which is perfect at 20 and 0.

You can catch the Badger women's volleyball team versus Nebraska 8 o'clock tonight on the Big Ten Network.

And one more note here.

The Milwaukee Bucks Ryan Rollins set a personal scoring high with 32 points.

to help the Bucks beat the Golden State Warriors 120-110 even without Giannis Anticumpo who missed the game.

Due to a sore left knee, Miles Turner added 17 points for the Bucks.

Steph Curry scored for Golden State 27 points.

Steph Curry, by the way, had been working on the second longest string in his career of consecutive free throws, but he missed one after hitting 57 previous free throws.

a streak that is only exceeded by his streak of 80 free throws in a row from March of 2019 to January of 2021.

All of that and more in a losing effort in that case for the Warriors falling to the Bucks 120 to 110.

717 right now, and we've got some folks who are calling in on the phone lines and the text lines sharing their Halloween costumes and their other assorted tricks and treats for Halloween here.

And Parker, I know you're taking some of those calls.

I'm also noting that we've got one technical issue of streaming to Facebook.

And so we're going to work on that during the commercial break.

But for folks listening on the radio, you're getting some good response back from some of the listeners out there.

Parker Olson

Oh yeah, hearing a lot of good stuff.

I always like hearing about what people are doing on Halloween because I feel like it's one of those holidays that's kind of a hit or miss for a lot of people.

So you get some varying answers.

Pat Criteilow

Well, and you also get all the creativity in both the costumes and in the experiences, the candies and everything else that they're doing.

So anyway, keep the text coming, some of them with costume photos.

And again, you can also use the Civic Media app to leave us a voice note.

So on that Civic Media app, you can call us, you can text us, or you can record a little voice note that we may play back as well throughout the course of the show.

Let's see, I wanted to cover one other quick thing here in the headlines and then we'll get our weekend review panel in here.

You'll recall that a few days back, we mentioned that the Trump administration had rejected some disaster aid for Southeast Wisconsin because of the flash flooding that took place back in August.

Well, they just did it again.

The Trump administration has rejected a different kind of disaster aid request for Wisconsin.

This would be for the rebuilding efforts

to do what's called flood mitigation.

In other words, when you rebuild some of these things that have been washed out or damaged, you rebuild them stronger and able to withstand the next flash flood.

But it's going to be local taxpayers who have to foot the bill for all of that as the Trump administration has denied federal disaster relief for flood mitigation rebuilding for some of those communities in southeast Wisconsin.

Our Week in Review panel is on the way.

Thanks for joining us live from the lake on this Friday, Halloween morning.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Crite Low

Welcome back to a scary edition of Mornings with Pat Crite Low, powered by Up North News.

I do appreciate the effort.

I wish I was playing along a little bit better.

I'm very disappointed in myself right now.

What can I tell you?

I've got the baseball cap that says last minute costume, and that's as deep as the spirit goes here.

But we like hearing what you're up to today.

The candy you're handing out, the costumes you're wearing, and the other things that scare you.

And let's not kid ourselves.

This is always the scariest part of the week.

It's when we talk about what's in the news with Mark Jacob and Jim Santel, the former U.S.

Attorney.

And in for Jennifer Scholesy this week is Chicago Radio's own Joan Esposito-Joan.

Thanks for being here.

Joan Esposito

Always a pleasure, Mr. Kratlow.

Anything for you.

Pat Crite Low

Oh, thank you.

It's so nice to have you all here.

Mark, I'm going to start with you, because as I've been looking through your feed on Blue Sky, and by the way, we now have on the radio show, we have a presence on Blue Sky and Twitter, just look up PK Radio Show.

But Mark, a lot of yours has been, it's almost like you're in a batting cage, and the misinformation just keeps coming from the President, from Speaker Mike Johnson, from others, and you're just out there.

knockin' them down with each thing that comes out.

I don't know if you wanna start with anything in particular, like,

Jim Santel

you

Pat Crite Low

know, we can't use the SNAP contingency funds, you know, or wherever you wanna start.

Mark Jacob

We can't, you know, the thing about that is that, you know, the...

is that Elizabeth Warren actually posted the actual thing on the government website that said they could use contingency funds to pay for the snap.

The government took off the website, you know, this week.

The thing that got me most was Kristi Noem showing up in Gary, Indiana to talk about, you know, about the crackdown on immigration.

And she says, there's no American citizens that have been arrested or detained.

We focus on those who are here legally and anything that you would hear or report that would be different from that is not true and false reporting and Republican had a story just recently about a more than 170 US citizens have been detained I mean they've been report after report and I I guess what gets me is that they they just don't care whether their lies are even credible anymore It's just just just it's just a parade of lies and they're in the parade and they don't care what anyone's gonna do to fact-check them

Pat Crite Low

It's so true.

I mean, Joan, you hear the same things down there in Chicago and feel like you have to probably spend your entire radio show setting the record straight day after day.

Joan Esposito

Well, Mark is absolutely right.

I mean, the brazenness.

I mean, even with Donald Trump and the grift.

He had that group of American investors take a significant part of TikTok, which is why we took it back from the Chinese.

Wall Street Journal reported after that deal was all done, he went to every one of those rich Americans that has a piece of TikTok and basically said, you know, this deal, it's like, he wouldn't have it if it weren't for me.

In the world of business, somebody like me would get a finder's fee.

I want a couple hundred million from all you guys.

According to the Wall Street Journal, not one of them complained.

Everybody said, yes, sir, and they ponied up his finder's feet.

They're grifters and liars.

Pat Crite Low

Pat,

Joan Esposito

you're sorry.

Not

Pat Crite Low

that.

There you go.

The other thing about it is that he goes and announces this deal with China.

There is no deal.

Mark, it was one of the rare times.

The New York Times was actually truly accurate in its headline about the deal that, you know, China has figured out how to make Trump feel like he got something when he got nothing.

Mark Jacob

Right, right.

This is essentially

Pat Crite Low

the gist of the headline.

Mark Jacob

Yeah, and it's, well, and it's always the greatest deal.

It's always, you know, the deal no one else, no one can believe how good this deal is.

The deal is so, I'm so sick of the word deal.

I'd like to see the word deal banned from the English language because he's so...

Joan Esposito

Oh, no.

Mark Jacob

He's

Joan Esposito

abused it so

Mark Jacob

much.

And yeah, everything is spun.

And nothing is reality.

I mean, I'd really rather go to book back to Earth One from Earth Two, which is what he's taken this entire country on.

There's some sort of fantasy land where

just because he says it makes it true.

Pat Crite Low

Yeah, and Jim Santel, former U.S.

Attorney, those tariffs are going to be argued before the Supreme Court next week,

Jim Santel

are they?

They are.

Next week, Wednesday, probably one of the biggest cases of the term.

The question is whether or not this Supreme Court wants to uphold the first article of the Constitution that says, hey, it's the Congress and not the president, not the chief executive.

who establishes tariffs.

There's a particular statute that gives the president authority to do that.

It's called the IEPA.

I know all your listeners are completely on top of that.

And the statute basically says, you can do this in a time of emergency, urgency, great need to act quickly.

And it's not there.

Two lower federal courts that deal with trade.

The deal with commerce have said, not even close.

Can't do this.

We'll see what the Supreme Court says next Wednesday on all of this.

whether or not they're going to uphold the law, or once again, simply let Donald Trump do whatever he wants to do, which has been their practice over the past nine months.

Pat Crite Low

Now, Jim's been following no shortage of cases of things the administration's doing, including hurling tear gas into trick or treaters.

Joan, I know that, again, you've got troops there that have been, you know, again, firing tear gas, even if it impacts Chicago police, not to mention the children.

And yet they say they're all going to be out there on Halloween night as well.

It's not going to be your typical Halloween on the streets.

Joan Esposito

Governor Pritzker made a plea.

Apparently he sent a private letter to Christine Ohm and then made a public plea.

Could ICE just take Halloween off?

Let's just keep kids safe, because as you pointed out, ICE, tear gas, a Halloween school parade of trick-or-treaters, young trick-or-treaters in our old Irving Park neighborhood.

That was one of the things Judge Sarah Ellis said when she had Greg Bavino before her.

She was like, trick or treaters pose no threat, no security threat to your agents.

And yes ma'am, yes

Pat Crite Low

ma'am.

And yet, there's Christina.

I'm saying, nope, we're going to be on the streets.

We're going

Joan Esposito

to

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continue this discussion with our Week in Review panel coming up.

First, a reminder that head on Matt Nair on air with Jane Matt Nair and Greg Bach, Dan Schaffer, Civic Media's political editor and founder of the Reconbobulation area will be joining them.

Again, that will be, oh, right around 9.30 or so.

But we continue with our Week in Review panel from the heart of America's up north, live from Lake Wasota.

Thanks for making this the place that's been part of your Halloween morning.

right low.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat (Host)

Welcome back.

It's Friday morning, October 31st Halloween.

Hope it's a good fun and safe night for all of you.

We've got our weekend review panel here that includes former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel.

It also includes Mark Jacob, veteran Chicago journalist and veteran Chicago radio host, Joe Nesposito.

who's got a little fan issue there that we we're still trying to address but I prefer to think of it as Joan's joining us from a water park we're hearing the water fall she's uh she's got the microphone while going down a lazy river here so we'll talk to Joan a bit more in a bit uh but Jim I want to start with you first in in terms of snap benefits and what is happening with the the court action on that one specifically because um they're

There are contingency funds available for folks that don't know.

In previous government shutdowns, and there have been several, SNAP benefits have never been cut.

This is the first time where families could go hungry because an administration refuses to use its contingency funds, and that's in the courts right now.

Jim Santel

That's exactly right, Pat.

And here's the name that we should all be thinking about today, maybe even the next couple of hours as the federal district court on the East Coast opens in just a few minutes.

Her name is Indira Talwani.

She is a federal district court judge.

She's had hearings.

over the period of the last several days.

And as late as yesterday, she looked at the government lawyers and said, I don't get what's going on here.

She looked at exactly the information we talked about in the previous segment that says the funds are there.

They can be accessed.

It's available.

And she said, you can't just let people die.

I'd offer you that that is a stunning thing for a federal district court judge in contemporary America to say, because she is looking at the availability of these funds and looking at an administration that simply won't invoke them, won't access them, and anticipate that sometime the next couple of hours here, she is going to direct the administration to use those funds to, again, temporarily.

to keep this program afloat.

So people literally on Monday morning have food on their tables for their families and their children.

And then the question is in America of 2025, does this administration abide by what a federal judge has told it?

That's the next issue.

But it may happen, may happen today that the judge says, you've got to do this.

And good for her, good for the United States if the administration

follows what she is directing.

Pat (Host)

So, Jim, you're talking about it from a court standpoint.

Mark's mentioned from the administration standpoint, you know, deleting language off the website that is about them being able to use that contingency funding.

Joan, you take callers throughout your afternoon radio show, and I'm sure that you have heard some very concerned voices out there about what happens when SNAP benefits run out.

I am not hearing Joan here.

We might have to see if she can unmute or Parker if you can bring her mic back up.

Let's take a look here.

I'm

Joan Esposito

not

Pat (Host)

getting it right now.

Okay, well, we'll work on Joan's microphone there and we'll just go back to Mark on this because again, you read enough media that so much of the media coverage has shifted away from the political and the legal to the personal and same goes for social media.

You're going to see all kinds of folks.

And by the way, none of them look like, you know, the Ronald Reagan welfare queens.

They look like families who are really worried about being able to feed their kids.

Well, and Pat, they're working poor.

Mark Jacob

It's this idea that, you know, that they're not, they don't have jobs or something.

Most of the people who are, I think, statistically about half the people on food stamps or SNAP are working.

you know in in effect they're working at jobs that don't pay them enough to you know eat and have a heat and stuff like that so the you know in effect the SNAP benefits are subsidizing employers who won't really pay their workers enough that's part of the issue but what we're really seeing here is a

The Republicans now are holding poor people hostage.

In effect, their message is, if you won't let us jack up the healthcare premiums for tens of millions of Americans, we're going to make poor people starve.

I mean, it's amazing that that would be the place where they're putting their line in the sand, but that's what they're doing.

What does it say about Republicans that they think that squeezing the poor will hurt Democrats more than Republicans?

It's that other Democrats care about this issue.

So we'll really get them by by squeezing the poor.

Pat (Host)

And by the way, here's the ultimate paradox.

If Democrats eventually say people are hurting too much, we're just going to have to let the health insurance rates go up the way Republicans want so that we can end the shutdown and bring the snap benefits back.

Democrats will actually be the ones to pay a big price because you'll have all kinds of people say, why did you cave?

Why wouldn't you stand up for us and avoid all these these health insurance price increases?

So I mean, it's a it's a can't win situation by saying, yes, we're going to have to go along with this shutdown, because letting you jack up health insurance rates is so much worse.

It's it's not a box I'd like to be in.

But I know where I'd be on this.

And it's like, you got to draw a line in the sand and you got to draw it right here.

Right, and

Mark Jacob

another irony is that a lot of the people who would be hurt by these higher healthcare premiums and hurt by the loss of SNAP benefits are in red states.

And it's this con game that the Republicans have been playing for a long time in which, you know, they want to make you think that, you know, that it's all happening in blue cities and all this.

No, I mean, one of the major news outlets had a map that showed how much healthcare

premiums will go up for ACA in various states.

And those red states were very red on that map as far as how much more they're going to pay.

And many people are not going to pay more.

They're just going to give up on having health insurance and they're going to die.

Pat (Host)

Yeah.

Let's try.

Jonah, are you able to hear us?

Can we hear you yet?

I can hear you guys just.

Mark Jacob

There we

Pat (Host)

go.

Okay.

Technology is fun that way.

I'd go on to you to ask what some of your listeners are saying about this.

Joan Esposito

Yeah.

I mean, there's

Right now, where I am, there are so many things going wrong.

My text feed, interestingly, Pat, is filled with people reporting ICE sightings, where ICE is right now.

And I put that sort of information out there.

I was talking to the head of the teachers union, and she's, you know, Governor Pritzker has said he's going to put 20 million of state money toward food banks, but the teachers union, they're figuring

that they are going to have to feed kids breakfast and feed kids lunch, not subsidized stuff, but more than they're doing now.

Otherwise, they're going to go hungry.

I mean, there's no two ways about it.

Pat (Host)

No, there's not.

And by the way, all of this happens with as as the government is shut down, Jim Santel.

You know, these are folks who are either being furloughed.

or laid off or working and not getting a paycheck, and that's another one of the court cases out there, is the ability to outright fire more than 4,000 federal employees.

Jim Santel

Here's another name, another federal district court judge.

And interestingly, again, the men are doing this as well, but it's the women this week.

Sarah Ellis, as we just mentioned, and Susan Ilston, she's in Northern California.

She is the one who, again, just a couple of days or so ago said,

You cannot fire 4,100 people just because you've got to shut down.

And as Albert said, these two things, yes, they're related.

We all get that in some broad way.

But because you've got a failure of the Congress to pass a budget, does not mean that particular individuals need to be fired from the payroll whenever you may get around to paying them.

And she said exactly that.

Name is Susan Ilston, and she has said Donald Trump and OMB, Office of Management and Budget.

You cannot fire these people.

There's no basis for doing it.

It is unconstitutional.

It is illegal.

Stop it.

Knock it off.

And once again, we ask the same issue.

Is that the kind of thing this administration will follow?

Or will we simply say federal judges, you and whose army as a famous president said in the past?

Pat (Host)

Exactly.

But let's go to the other branch of government, Mark.

And a Congress that has the Republican leadership has neutered that entire branch of government.

We hear every so often rumblings that behind the scenes, some rank and file Republicans and Democrats are talking, and that there are actually fissures in both parties about the best way forward.

But again, I ask in the hopes that maybe this week we have an answer, are there any profiles in courage on the Republican side that are gonna say, no, no, no, there's too many people in my state that are hurt by the loss of SNAP, the closing of Head Starts, the jacking up of health insurance prices and so on.

Mark Jacob

Well, you know, as Trump has accumulated power and become more and more of a dictator, I mean, you can get into despair about that.

But one of the few positive signs is that public pressure still works.

You know, people power can make a difference.

And I do hope that some of these Republicans in Congress will start hearing more and more from their constituents and start talking.

I mean, this is not a hard thing to solve.

What's happening now is is that the Democrats are wanting to negotiate.

They want to negotiate over those jacked up ACA premiums, which again, it's going to mean that some people don't have health care anymore.

And the Republicans are not willing to even talk about it.

And if they would sit down and discuss it and come to some sort of way to maybe not completely, but in some way ease.

the burden on these poor and middle-class people who are using ACA, and they could solve it really easily.

And so that's the real pressure point.

The other thing that's new today is that Trump is calling for getting rid of the filibuster, which would mean that only 50 votes plus fans would be able to advance, would be able to solve the whole problem for the Republicans and not share power with the Democrats at all.

So if that happens, that'll be a giant change.

And a little further,

weak in Congress and make Congress even more irrelevant than it is now.

Pat (Host)

Let's switch gears slightly to one of your latest issues of Stop the Presses.

It's stopthepresses.news.

Mark Jacobs' column, news outlets dance with Trump and his ballroom.

In any other situation, a president demolishing a part of the White House would be a much bigger story.

But of course, we excuse this Donald Trump.

He can do whatever he wants.

But we can at least question whether news outlets are playing fair with their viewers, their readers, their listeners as they cover this market.

Mark Jacob

Yeah.

And again, this has become maybe a one or two day story.

And it would have been a one or two month story in a normal administration.

But so you have.

Several news outlets doing questionable things.

You have CNN, their boss went to the White House to try to pitch them on an interview with Trump for their new streaming service.

And then he comes back to his newsroom and he tells the newsroom that they really need to downplay the East Wing demolition story because nobody cares about it.

And nobody in the newsroom thinks that that's a coincidence.

So that's one way that CNN seems to be capitulating.

And you have Washington Post, which has just gone off the deep end, explaining to us that it's a good thing that Trump demolished the East Wing without asking for any permission.

And in fact, after lying about what he was going to do,

because it would have taken too long if he'd actually gotten the proper permissions and gone through the regular process.

And so this is in effect the Washington Post editorially saying, well, it's okay to violate all rules and norms.

Just go ahead and do whatever you want because otherwise it'll take too long.

And it should also be noted that the parent company of NBC gave money for this White House demolition in the building of this giant ballroom.

And so did Jeff Bezos' Amazon, who, and he's the one who owns Washington Post.

So there's all these strings that are showing why people have conflicts of interest in journalism.

Pat (Host)

So that's Mark Jacob with his new newsletter edition.

News outlets dance with Trump in his ballroom.

Joan Esposito, you can hear her live local and progressive program on WCPT radio in Chicago.

Weekday afternoons from two until five.

And of course, Jim Santel has Amicus, a law review.

You can hear that Saturday mornings at nine on Civic Media stations around the state.

Learn more at Civic Media.

dot us to learn more as we continue things with our week and review panel.

But first, let me tell you what you find in the up north news daily newsletter, sign up for it at up north news wi.com.

And today's issue, of course, has a lot about, you know, Wisconsin, the Halloween traditions, the decorations, the costumes, the candy, the pumpkin carving and more.

But there's also a link to an article about the many challenges rural America is facing.

by the politicians that rural America typically supports.

And these are making for tough times indeed, and some confused voters across rural America.

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Host

Sports coming up across the Civic Media radio network.

There are some stations that will be doing level two of the high school football playoffs tonight.

Then tomorrow, the Wisconsin Badger Men's Hockey team will be hosting the Minnesota Gophers.

Coverage begins at 5.30 tomorrow on WFHR in Wisconsin Rapids.

Then on Sunday, the Green Bay Packers host the Carolina Panthers.

Coverage begins Sunday morning at 10 o'clock on Civic Media stations in Richland Center, Park Falls, Racine and Wattoma.

One more time here with our Week in Review panel, Joan Esposito, Mark Jacob in Chicago, former U.S.

Attorney Jim Santel as well.

And I'm gonna start with my Chicago folks here first, Mark and Joan, when I saw, I just saw it out of the corner of my eye.

The note on the screen said,

former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says he's almost definitely running for president in 2028.

And after I threw up in my mouth a little bit, I decided I needed to ask you guys why I feel that way about him and why others do as well.

Mark, we'll start with you.

First off, where has he been since he kind of sort of ruined the Obama administration's early years?

What would bring him to the thought of running for president?

Mark Jacob

Well, he has always had a high opinion of himself So I think that he thinks it he's just a very energetic guy Who knows how to work the press and so he's so he gets way more precedent he deserves to get you know all these he charms and badgers East Coast people there's an article in Atlantic by Ashley Parker that just that's kind of prompting this latest round of

from mania and in the article she talks about how much he like is telling her who to interview and badging badgering her i think she found it amusing but i don't find it amusing i was metro editor at the chicago tribune when he was mayor and and there was a lot to be disturbed about we had to sue him for records he was hiding his records and and he also the nobody needs to forget the loquan mcdonnell case in which the immanuel administration covered up

the police murder of a 17-year-old young man, a black man, black young man.

And so, I mean, it was a cover-up.

It was a police cover-up of a murder.

And everyone knew it.

The police were there in the scene and saw it happen.

The guy was walking away and got shot.

And the manual administration did everything it could to kind of keep us from knowing about that.

And it should hound him for the rest of his political

Host

career.

Same to you, Joan, as far as, you know, is this serious or is he just doing what we've seen so many other people do, get a little extra attention by saying you're considering running for higher office?

Joan Esposito

Yeah, I think it's the latter.

If anything, I think he wants to raise his profile enough that maybe somebody might consider him to be their VP on the ticket because, you know, during the presidential campaign, a lot of time,

the VP candidate is used as an attack dog to go out and say all the tough things that the presidential candidate wants to stay above.

But I think if he does have enough of an ego that he thinks he's going to run for president, I think he should start reading about Teddy Kennedy, because Teddy Kennedy thought that the whole Mary Jo Kopeckney

uh death after the party he thought that was you know that had been taken care of that was in the past all of a sudden he wants to run for president and it's front page news again just like Laquan McDonald will be he's your right mark he's never getting away from it there's no way with that kind of uh story that albatross around his neck but he's going to get enough of the black democratic vote no no way

And he's proud to know that.

I hope.

Host

You would think.

But as we've learned in politics, a lot of people think that their rehab tour is ready when they are very mistaken about that.

Jim Santel, you've got Amicus Law Review coming up tomorrow morning at 9.

We've covered several legal topics in the news already.

Anything that we've missed that folks can be on the lookout for tomorrow?

Jim Santel

Just reminding us that our president continues to go after his political adversaries in court.

And we've got Letitia James prosecution and her maintaining, of course, that, in fact, there's no there there, that there's a rider on her bank loan that basically says that she can, in fact, rent out this property, arguably completely destroys this prosecution.

James Comey also filing a motion saying this is incredibly confusing.

No basis to go ahead here.

Those cases look for them sometime in early next year to be dismissed.

If not, they fall away completely.

president's attempt to go after them.

Retribution, yes, but not criminal convictions, nowhere near.

Host

And unfortunately, Mark, I mean, if somebody abuses the court system, brings up lawsuits and things, a court can sanction them.

But what Trump is doing with Letitia James and James Comey and all of these others, I mean, there is no

blowback for him, there appears to be no penalty for dragging people through this.

Even if the charges are really weak, you still have to hire attorneys and go through all the expense and everything.

I mean, is the only recourse media and public opinion that expose what this guy is doing?

Mark Jacob

Yeah, I guess it is.

The only recourse is the public having more decency than the president has.

But it is a real problem.

And to a large extent, Trump

I don't think he thinks he's going to win these cases against James in Comey.

I think he thinks that he will harass them enough that that will be the punishment.

And this is a pattern with him.

It should be remembered that when he was trying to get Ukraine to trump up an investigation of Biden, he didn't really want it to find anything.

He wanted the announcement of an investigation.

I don't

Joan Esposito

think he even

Mark Jacob

cared about the investigation.

He just wanted something he could use to tar up somebody.

I think that he wants to just bury people in this kind of legal process as punishment for them opposing him politically.

And it's just a gigantic abuse of power.

Host

Yeah.

And again, it works unless enough people hear the reports about how, in the Leticia Jane's case, how this is completely

flimsy on thin ice at best because the evidence is there.

But again, it's a tree falling in the woods if people only hear about the case being filed and not about the actual results of it.

So Jim Santel will have more tomorrow on Amicus Law Review.

You can look at Mark Jacobs' work at StopThePresses.News and Jonas Pizito, listen to her live, local and progressive on WCPT radio in Chicago, weekday afternoons from two to five.

Thank you all very much.

Have a good weekend.

Thanks

Jim Santel

for having me.

Happy

Host

Halloween.

Happy Halloween.

Good to see you all there.

And in our next hour, we will talk to Dr. Kristen Lyrely and State Legislative Candidate Emily Sampos.

Pat Critello (host)

It's a special Halloween edition of Mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

Live from the haunted Lake Wissota studio, here's your ghost host, Pat Critello.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yeah, I got my last minute costume baseball cap on.

I am ready to roll.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly joining us.

Parker Olson producing things as well.

On a Halloween Friday, Dr. Lyderly not with us on Monday because somebody was at the Packers Steelers game and wore out her voice.

Let's see if it's any better today.

Dr. Lyderly, good morning.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Good morning.

It was worth it because I personally felt responsible as did all of the Packer fans around me for the GoPack Go Cheers.

So you're welcome.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Well, it worked.

You know,

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Aaron Rodgers

Unidentified Radio Staff

talked about how he had to use a silent count for the first time and, you know, at a home game for him.

So that was that was cool.

Good

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

work out of you.

It was so cool.

And when we got to the beginning of the fourth quarter and the Steelers fans who were awesome, by the way, the people in Pittsburgh were amazing, but they started just streaming out of the stadium and we stayed and stayed.

And oh my gosh, we just had so much fun.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Oh, that's so great.

Let's see.

Good morning from Tigerton writes Rob on YouTube.

It's cloudy and 37 on a Halloween Friday.

Yesterday was a great day working outside, mowing leaves, doing paperwork for the mowing season.

He says two years ago we had.

had a white Halloween with six inches of snow.

Let's see, had a white Halloween and Christmas.

It was 51 degrees.

Oh yeah, that's right.

It was a white Halloween two years ago and he had a brown Christmas when it was 51 degrees.

So, yeah, that's that's how this works.

Let's see.

Oh, Rob also writes, my mom helped start the Tigerton community cupboard, a community food bank by the Tigerton area churches and businesses.

I used to help my mom distribute food for the community cupboard for many years.

He writes, please help out your community food banks.

And

Pat Critello (host)

we're going

Unidentified Radio Staff

to be we're going to be talking later to legislative candidate Emily Cephos, who will get into this more with her.

But you said Emily

is getting noticed for her work.

to help support all these food banks.

Alicia writes on YouTube, Emily was out there last night in the dark picking up food.

That woman is an icon.

She is a true leader.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

She has little kids too.

So her kids are with her in the car driving all over the Fox Valley, picking up food, delivering it, making sure people do not go hungry.

This is personal for Emily.

And I'm sure we're going to get into it.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Absolutely, we will.

So this week, of course, well, let's start with that.

The food banks are needing help.

you know, because of the snap benefits that are being cut.

And I mean, on a day to day basis, Kristen, you you talk to patients who and going through their daily struggles.

I don't know that they've ever felt more like political pawns than right now.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

I think they're really starting to get it.

But we're talking about one in eight Americans who receive SNAP benefits, who depend on SNAP benefits.

And these are children, elderly folks, folks with disabilities, their most vulnerable population.

And we have the money.

We have the contingency funds there.

All they have to do is release it to make sure that these people can continue to get access to food.

What is going on with our government?

A government that is for the people that is meant to be that foundation for us.

Instead, they're using these people as pawns and we're doing everything that we can to do what Emily Cephos is doing to run around and fill the food banks and volunteer and help out as much as we are able to.

But this is a government deal and they need to step up.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Well, there has to be the willingness to.

you know, and right now they, they almost seem to revel in, you know, the, we only say that line, the cruelty is the point.

And it really seems to be having an impact with them.

And I'm, I'm still struck by this feeling like if they just say, Democrat shutdown and Schumer shutdown, if they just say it enough that people will believe it, and don't get me wrong, the Marquette poll shows that people are angry at both parties.

But they do know this is not a chicken and egg situation.

They do know this had a clear start with somebody.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Can I just float an idea that I've been tossing around in my head that we have not talked about?

Go for it.

This thought, so I live in northeastern Wisconsin, where people tend to vote for Republicans, but they're actually pretty independent.

But the Democratic label is kind of toxic here.

People love to say, I don't know.

I'm not a party.

I'm not a

Unidentified Radio Staff

person at the party.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

I'm in the middle.

I hear a lot of people saying I'm in the middle.

And, you know, there really isn't a middle.

I mean, the middle of what?

If at this stage in this country where our government is literally starving vulnerable people.

Where's the middle for that?

You have to pick a side when it comes to these issues.

So I think that it's really important for us as neighbors and friends and community members not to talk about this in terms of politics, but to talk about it in terms of what is right.

And saying I'm in the middle does not solve this problem, but stepping up and

talking to your representative and saying, you need to do that.

You need to go back to work.

You need to release these funds.

That's what we need from our representatives, from our neighbors right now.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yeah, it's like our caller earlier, Ali from the Northwoods, who said it is just time to get on the phone.

Call the White House Switch

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Board.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Call your congressional representative.

Whichever side they're on, let them hear from you that this is a real concern.

And now we're seeing head starts in Wisconsin are going to start closing their doors.

That's going to put some parents into high anxiety, not just for their kids, but for their work.

Do they have to stay home from work?

Will they lose their job as a result?

This is getting real for a lot of folks starting this weekend.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

It is.

And I know that it feels uncomfortable to have to take a side, but you have to take a side right now.

You have to step up for what's right.

And you don't have to declare it, but you definitely have to stand for what you believe in.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yeah.

And so

A lot of this, of course, is centered on the skyrocketing cost of health insurance,

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

going

Unidentified Radio Staff

back to the bad old days pre Obamacare, which is what Republicans want.

And so starting tomorrow, open enrollment season for policies in the Affordable Care marketplace, we've given some of the specific numbers throughout the course of the week here around Wisconsin, Kristen, but you're the one who's actually talked to people who

come with some trepidation because they don't have health insurance or you didn't, they should have come to you a lot earlier, but of course they didn't have health insurance and we're just going back to some bad old days here with these kinds of price hikes.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

I'm so worried about this.

The health insurance, our healthcare system is already so fundamentally broken.

But when people can't afford to go to the doctor and they know you know when you have a problem you know when you should get it checked out and you're weighing in your head like is it worth it do I really want to spend this money as it gets more expensive.

It's harder to put that money out there to actually do that thing to take care of yourself but you know having diagnosed advanced cancers.

And cardiovascular disease, which is the heart disease, is the number one killer of all of us.

There are things that we can do.

There are steps that we can take to control your blood pressure and your cholesterol and to advise you on how to live a healthier life so that you'll live longer and better.

There are things we can do if you can get to the doctor.

But if you can't, that's a problem.

And if you have to wait and you end up in the emergency department, it's expensive.

They often can't do anything for you.

That's not healthcare.

That's putting out fires.

They can treat your stroke or your heart attack, but they can't help you manage your blood pressure or your diabetes long term.

And if you can't afford it and you end up in the emergency department, you end up with medical debt, the hospital ends up having to write it off, and the entire community ends up paying for it.

It is a lose, lose on all levels when people can't access healthcare.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yeah.

One part of it is being attacked by the Secretary for Health and Human Services, Robert Kennedy Jr.

On our website right now is the article RFK Jr.

is ignoring

100 studies or more to push his abortion pill ban.

This is the myth of pristone explainer you need.

And so that article is on our website.

So for folks who can't get to it, maybe you can talk a bit more.

I know you put something on your Facebook this week about medication abortion.

And yet the Trump administration is still making moves to make it no longer available.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

the Miphupristone explainer that you need.

I can talk about it.

Miphupristone is one of the medications that we use in medication abortion, also for managing miscarriages.

It's used in most abortions in this country, actually the majority these days.

It is safe.

It is effective.

We've been using it for decades.

We've got tons of evidence that shows that it works and it is a good thing and it is actually life-saving for so many people.

Again, because of politics, the FDA has agreed to review this medication, and we all know where this is going to end up.

They're going to end up putting restrictions on it, or maybe even pulling it entirely, making it inaccessible for people.

And this is how Donald Trump enacts his backdoor abortion ban.

He can't do it through the front door.

We've had referendum after referendum all across this country that show that people support the right to choose to make your own personal health care decisions.

But Donald Trump doesn't, and his administration doesn't, and this is their trick to force us to do what they want us to do.

Unidentified Radio Staff

We're talking to Dr. Kristen Lyrely, who also hosts the Dr. Kristen Lyrely Show Saturdays at noon across the Civic Media Radio Network, and you can also follow on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, what you got going on this weekend.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

I think we're Saturday and Sunday at noon now.

Yes.

Isn't that exciting?

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yes.

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Yeah, we're talking to Fran Hong, representative Fran Hong, candidate for Wisconsin governor, Fran Hong.

You're going to want to listen to this one.

So we're doing a series talking with all of the candidates for governor on the Democratic side.

I'll invite the Republicans to.

I just have a gut feeling they're not going to show up.

Pat Critello (host)

But

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Fran's spicy and she's got some great, really well thought out ideas.

And I'll tell you one thing.

Fran is for the people.

She's been a dishwasher.

She's owned a restaurant.

She understands what working people are going through and you're going to hear

that loud and clear this weekend.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Yeah, without a doubt.

So listen to that coming up this weekend.

Let's see from Alicia on YouTube.

We've got active duty military classified as leave without pay.

She says that's basically AWOL, which means there's a potential of not getting back pay if you're on leave without pay.

That's insane.

Rob from Tigerton followed up with it with a comment.

It's sad that we treat our military personnel on duty 24-7 protecting this country and don't get paid.

Many are very close to harm's way.

But the other point with that is the Trump administration is saying, well, we're going to find a way to pay them.

Well, again, that's fine.

But that is you plain favorites because there are still so many essential workers across the federal government who aren't going to get paid.

And you can't just hide behind the military and say, well, we're paying them so everything's OK.

That's not OK at all.

Why are you holding back anybody's pay?

Why aren't you just operating a functional federal government?

Dr. Kristen Lyderly (guest)

Here's the easy way to do it.

Negotiate, reopen the government.

Put everything back in place.

It's all right there.

Everybody gets paid.

Everybody's happy.

Seems simple to me.

When I was coming back from Pittsburgh, I saw a TSA agent, a lot of them actually.

And you know, I'm from Wisconsin, so I'm friendly.

So I asked how they were doing.

And this person just looked at me and said, some of us are going to food banks.

The government should be embarrassed.

Those are his exact words.

I was shocked.

Like usually they're so stoic and they don't say anything, but he was clearly suffering.

And you know, I just, I put my hand on his shoulder.

I know you're not supposed to do that, but I just couldn't help it because he was just like so angry.

This is so fundamentally unfair and so fixable.

If we actually had a government that was for the people, if the Republicans would just go back to Washington DC, where the Democrats are waiting and doing the work and just negotiate, just negotiate.

Unidentified Radio Staff

Oh, that would that would mean ending their paid vacation where they're trying so hard to spin this.

But again, call your Congressperson's office and give that very simple message.

Go back to DC.

Go back and do the job that we are paying you to do.

quick look at sports at 820.

And then Kristen and I will be joined by Emily Cephos as well.

The Milwaukee Bucks, Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Rollins, would it be something

Pat Critello (host)

to throw?

That would be for the Milwaukee

Unidentified Radio Staff

Bucks that that would be something.

Ryan Rollins set a personal scoring high 32 points helping the Bucks beat the Golden State Warriors, 120 to 110, even without Giannis who missed the game due to a sore left knee.

Miles Turner added 17 points for the Bucks.

The Badger hockey team defeated the Minnesota Gophers and they will play again on Saturday.

The

Women's Hockey team taking on the Gophers tonight and tomorrow in Madison as well.

Thanks for joining us live from the lake.

I'm Pat Critewell from Up North News and this is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Critello (host)

It's scarier than a gas station breakfast burrito.

It's mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

I don't know how I feel about that comparison, but I didn't get a vote in that.

So welcome back.

It is just about 823.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here, and we are joined by State Senate candidate Emily Cephos as well.

Emily, good morning.

Emily Cephos

Good morning.

Good morning.

Happy to be with you both on this Halloween.

Pat Critello (host)

Yes.

What a busy person you have been.

We mentioned earlier that we got a note from our listener, Alicia, who says, Emily was out there last night in the dark picking up food.

The woman is an icon.

She is a true leader.

She clearly heard you during the commercial break because she added, what do I always tell you, Emily?

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Emily Cephos

She does say that.

Yes.

She's also a heroine.

Pat Critello (host)

Yeah, there there are a lot of a lot of heroes out there, more than we should need at this point.

But you've been especially active.

Well, first off, it was active enough just to decide to run for state Senate in again, a tough district.

But now you're doing all this extra work to make sure the food banks are prepared for the cutoff and snap benefits.

So let's get to the first one first.

I know you've talked about it in several different social media posts.

But

I'd like you to tell our audience, you know, you know, this is an uphill climb and you know how hard the last campaign was.

You're back for more anyway, for good reason.

Emily Cephos

Yeah, I think it's just at the end of the day, things are falling away and people deserve better than they're getting right now.

They deserve somebody that knows their community and the district well and that is going to show up and be accountable and fight for them like hell because we really need to make sure that we're protecting.

the most vulnerable of us.

We're investing in our communities and we're strengthening, um, strengthening things for all of us.

So I'm excited.

It's a mountain, but we're chipping away at it.

Pat Critello (host)

It's about, it's about showing up.

Like you said, uh, Rob and Tigerton ads, uh, Emily is a true hero, putting that on YouTube for it, for you as well.

Um, uh, but, but again, being there because we've, we've had multiple instances of legislators who it's questionable if they even.

live in their district, much less represented.

And then there's, you know, the ones who don't show up in Madison or like all these members of Congress on the Republican side who aren't showing up in Washington DC.

I mean, showing up is such a big part of the job, both officially and unofficially with what you're doing, helping out with food banks and food pantries.

I guess you're just really showing people the first key is get out of the house.

Emily Cephos

Yeah, for sure.

I mean and in the fact that like we should this is what every elected in my opinion should be doing right now is I mean this is we are at a precipice aren't we and so I think that we really need strong leadership right now, and I don't care what side I'm telling people with this food drive I don't care what your politics are people need to be fed like food is a Human right and if we're gonna treat people with dignity like let's make sure they have food on the table that kids have food in their bellies And it's really just about that

for me first and foremost is meeting that urgent need.

But we should be seeing everyone doing this regardless of your party affiliation at this

Pat Critello (host)

point.

Kristen?

Dr. Kristen Lyrely

Emily, this is not a campaign thing for you.

I mean, you are out there doing the work because you care and it's personal for you, isn't it?

Emily Cephos

Yeah.

My youngest son is adopted and he experienced chronic malnutrition before we adopted him at three and a half.

And so like the hunger

piece of it is something that is a part of our family all the time because what he experienced will never, it'll always be with him.

And so a special part of my heart is like every parent wants their kid to be fed.

Every human being wants a child or a person to not experience like hunger pains, like people crying themselves to sleep and things like that.

And while his situation was different, it's that hunger piece.

It's about human dignity.

you know for me and so I'm looking at him and I'm wondering like we are the wealthiest country country in the world like what are we doing what are we doing

Dr. Kristen Lyrely

you know can I just say there are so many Pat you said it earlier politicians who are out there not living in their district just trying to take advantage doing the photo ops if I see another picture of Tony weed at a food bank while he is literally taking food out of people's mouths I'm just gonna lose it but

Emily is doing the real thing, the thing that people want, the thing that people expect their leaders to do.

And I want to invite all of our listeners to just really think about what does this mean?

What is true leadership when somebody like Emily who is so authentic and grounded steps into this role to truly serve?

It's beautiful and I'm so honored to be your friend, Emily.

Emily Cephos

you know like thank you but also it's just the I put out a call right like you have a little bit of a social media presence and I put out a call and I built something I think that was really beautiful community-wise when I ran last time and to say to those people our neighbors need us and have them be like I've got it I've got stuff on the porch now I've got bins on the porch just come and pick them up and I you know I

messaged all my friends and they're doing that work and I think it's that collective like community effort that we need to see more of and frankly like when government fails us we know here in Wisconsin we're going to take care of each other but at the same time it shouldn't be this way it shouldn't have to be this way and frankly because of what's going on in Washington the fact that they have that funding available that they're simply not releasing that has already been appropriated like it we need to call attention to that.

right?

The the egregious missteps of this administration and Congress and people like Tony Weed who are then doing their photo ops and it's like, show up authentically, don't use us as pods.

Pat Critello (host)

Yeah.

Emily has much more, of course, on her campaign website, Emily sephos.com.

That's Emily T s e f f o s Emily T s e f f o s Emily sephos.com to learn more.

Can you tell folks a bit about the district that you're running in where it is?

Emily Cephos

Sure.

So every Senate district in the state is made up of three assembly districts.

So districts 55, 56, 57, doesn't mean a lot to people, but it's just the outskirts of Appleton, some grand chute.

And then it goes westward to Wapaka and Washera counties and then down into Winnebago County, like Fox Crossing and south of Oshkosh.

All those like urban like cities along the lake are a different Senate district, but very, very rural, very, very large.

And so like.

I looked at you before, it's going to take a team effort to get this one done and get it done right.

And I'm really going to be dependent on people that are like, I know it's broken.

I want to help you fix it because I don't want it to just be me.

I want it to be a whole community effort kind of thing.

Pat Critello (host)

It's the only way it gets done is it takes a village because there's a lot of villages in every state senate district.

A lot of ground to cover.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely with us along with Emily Cephos.

It is just coming up on 8 30 here and we will continue this conversation coming up.

And then again, a reminder that Dr. Kristen Lyrely show can be heard on the weekends at noon all across the civic media radio network.

You can also follow on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts.

We'll be back.

Pat Critewell (host)

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Joined once again by Dr. Kristen Lyrely and Emily Sefos, who is running Forest Age Senate in the Fox Valley.

And Kristen, of course, has the

Dr. Kristen Lierly Show, which you can hear Saturdays and Sundays at noon across the Civic Media Radio Network.

And Kristen, you are...

no stranger to the topic of the federal cuts harming rural health care.

We've talked about that at length.

And Emily, you have a Senate district that was a lot like mine over here in the western part of the state.

It's got some, you know, it's got some incorporated areas, but there's a whole lot of area that is decidedly rural and feels forgotten in Madison or Washington.

And you're there to tell them that somebody actually is listening and wanting to work on their behalf.

Emily Sefos (candidate)

Yeah, I think that we have like Wapaka that lost their maternity ward earlier this year in their hospital and a lot of people that I've talked to again like kind of pulling from what I did in 2024, but certainly this hasn't changed is that it's really It's hard to get access or to care close to you And it's really difficult for a lot of working folks to to find what they need in order to like live healthy lives in in their townships And we really want to like point out the root cause of that

Instead of it just being like, this thing happened.

We really need to start naming plainly, repeatedly, who's accountable?

Who made the decisions?

Every pain point is a policy choice.

And that's what I'm going to try to do this time around.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

I want to say that every pain point is a policy choice, which is so true.

And I think we, especially in rural areas, are so reluctant.

And we talked about this a little bit earlier, to pick a side.

It's like we are loyal to our team, and we just don't want to let that go.

Clearly one team is not working on behalf of the people and it's having that conversation that face to face Emily that you are so good at when you knock on somebody's door and you start talking about the things that people care about and you are you so gently help people understand this isn't working for you and it's because of this.

This isn't working for you and it's because of this and creating that trust and helping people understand truly how this

This tribalism is tearing us apart.

These are the conversations we need to be having with our friends and neighbors and their hard conversations to have, but they are necessary.

Emily Sefos (candidate)

Yeah, I think that with the misinformation and like the just the way that the machine works on either side with media and things like that It's getting back to the one-on-one conversation.

It's painfully slow surely to be doing this kind of stuff But I've been on so many doors whether they're either like politically apathetic or they've got a lot of misinformation and then to like have an honest respectful conversation and say like you tell me that you're not political but I see you taking care of your autistic grandson because your daughter had an issue with addiction like that's all political because it either helps

what you're trying to do for your own self to make things manageable or it hurts people like you and like.

those are the kind of things where it's like, you see those light bulbs go off, you know, and people are like, oh my gosh, you're right.

And what I think like Pat, you mentioned people feel left behind and forgotten.

It's because everything is so big and ambiguous and you like the economy is the stock stock market and blah, blah, blah, like no, it's people sitting that are stressed at the end of every month with bills on their kitchen table.

Pat Critewell (host)

They're

Emily Sefos (candidate)

like, how am I going to do this?

Right?

Like, how am I going to pay this again and save for something like retirement?

And so we really just need to get back to the brass tacks and talking about that without letting that twist and contortion.

kind of put them against us.

Pat Critewell (host)

Emily Cephos is a candidate for state senate.

You can learn more about Emily at EmilyCephos.com.

That's Emily T as in Tom.

Emily T S E F F O S about the race that she's running there.

And Emily and Kristen, there's also of course the aspect of things.

I mean, we're always trying to like explain

the little nuances in policy that are hurting rural areas.

But then there's the things that are readily apparent, like China buying no soybeans from Wisconsin farmers, and then the Trump administration, you know, giving $20 billion, $40 billion to Argentina and saying, we're going to import beef.

And sometimes it feels like you just need to knock on some of these doors.

They're already aware of that and go, see?

Emily Sefos (candidate)

It's so tempting, but I keep telling people don't do that.

Like I keep telling people

Pat Critewell (host)

because you want

Emily Sefos (candidate)

to it doesn't and I think like what I'm trying to like get across to people is to say like as you know People are feeling that stress that what's created by this administration or by people in Madison like they lied to you They told you costs were gonna go down.

They told you that the market the global market for your

crops or your beef would be better than ever.

That's not happening.

And you're seeing it happen.

And I'm so sorry that they lied to you.

But let's talk about what I want to bring to the table or the kind of transparency and accountability that I would bring in leadership to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't happen.

We don't want people taking advantage of each other.

And frankly, like, again, when we're talking, it's not left or right anymore.

It's top versus bottom.

And it's people that are taking advantage of that.

And while we're toiling away and fighting at the bottom, all the people at the top are laughing all the way to the bank.

like and it's and I think that that is a critical piece of this as well.

Pat Critewell (host)

Any chance, any chance it's too late to change how you're running on the text line from Tiffany and River Falls, Cephos for governor, just that basic though.

Emily Sefos (candidate)

You know, flattering, I have three kids and the Senate district is quite big enough for me.

And there's some great candidates that have already emerged in the field.

So

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

we're

Emily Sefos (candidate)

going

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

to

Emily Sefos (candidate)

go here.

Pat Critewell (host)

Well, and you know,

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

there is the future.

So let's keep that in mind.

Oh,

Pat Critewell (host)

yeah.

Yep.

There's there's always that Emily's also serving as a county chair for the out of gaming county Democratic Party.

So Emily, both you and Kristen have another role that you're playing this time of year.

It maybe isn't really firing up yet, but but it should and it will real soon.

And that's finding candidates for some of these other districts to run and candidate recruitment.

I don't know.

Is it is it

harder because Donald Trump actually won last time around and people are discouraged or might it be a little easier because now they've seen what his wrecking ball has metaphorically and literally done.

I

Emily Sefos (candidate)

think it's

a little bit of both.

I think that there are people that are excited, not excited, but they feel it's their responsibility right now as things are hollowing out to go and serve their community in that way and that is incredible to see.

I do think that especially in these non-targeted districts like where I ran and where I'm running, that it's a really tough ask because you know you're kind of like left out there to

to build and do your own thing.

And so what I want to do, part of the reason that I'm excited about running for Senate is that it encompasses those three assembly districts.

So really working in coordination, and Kristen, you set us up in the 8th CD to do this, really collaborating and being as strong as we can.

And when you do that, hopefully you see more people that are like, OK, as long as I'm not alone, I can do this with you.

And so we really want it to be a team effort.

We're all in this together kind of thing.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

That's exactly what we need.

I think in the past we've looked at these districts and said there is a candidate running in this district and it's about the candidate, but in Northeast Wisconsin it's about our team, our team working with the county chairs, with the food banks, with the other candidates, and it's this giant collaborative effort, but still it's hard for people to step up in an environment like this and put

yourself in a partisan role, recognizing that the partisan divide is huge and uncomfortable.

But if ever there was a time to take one for the team and to recognize the difference that you could make, this is that time.

Pat Critewell (host)

Dr. Kristen Lyrely is with us along with Emily Cephos as we talk about the 2026 races that are just coming, you know,

coming into their own with people announcing for all the various offices that are out there.

And Kristen, I think it's important to remind folks that, you know, Emily's running for state Senate that last year we were talking all about the new fairer maps and that all 99 assembly districts, you know, had been basically redrawn or, you know, modified.

but only half of the state Senate because those terms are four years instead of two.

So this next time is the other half of the state Senate having to run with these brand new maps for the first time.

And just by luck of the draw, a lot of last year's state Senate races were pretty prominently.

Republican, there are a lot more state Senate districts in 2026 that are going to be up for grabs this year.

We may end up with, if not the trifecta of a Democratic governor, Senate and Assembly coming closer than we have in 15 years.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

That's the goal.

I don't think we kept hearing about how gerrymandered we were.

I don't think we really recognized, like, truly felt how gerrymandered we were until we saw the new maps.

Northeast Wisconsin is a great example of this.

We had three state senators who lived literally within six miles of each other.

They were just...

do right next to neighbors.

They could walk to each other's houses, but they consumed the entire northeastern region of the state because of the way that these maps were drawn.

Now that we've got fair maps in the state legislature, people get it.

And people are going to get out and vote because they care.

I believe in Wisconsinites.

I know that Wisconsinites are independent thinkers, independent voters.

That's what Emily is counting on.

And she's having these conversations in some really tough districts.

I think we

as neighbors, as Wisconsinites, we can really make a difference here.

Pat Critewell (host)

Emily, when you made the decision to run, given the the fair maps, again, still, you know, not not not an easy campaign by any stretch, but you're talking to folks with the the state Democratic Party, the Democratic Senate Committee there, and then other Democrats who are running for state Senate, as well as assembly.

And there has to be, you know, as much optimism as as there ever has been, thanks to the way we finally got fair maps in the state.

Emily Sefos (candidate)

Yeah, I think that people again, like are feeling that optimism and it's it weird because you're holding two truths in your hand.

One is that things are not looking great for a lot of a lot of people that we care about, but to like, now is our shot.

And so I think that we need to like keep, you know, serving with community as the center and as the root of any of the things that we're doing, like not being so hyper partisan in our messaging or like kind of just.

Disregarding people's real and experienced like fear or anger and stuff like that, but really getting to like the root.

Like we all care about our family, our community, our country.

So let's talk through without again, all of the manufactured crises and hyperbolic outrage.

Let's really talk through like the nuts and bolts of what it's going to make life.

When you walk out your front door, how are we going to make it more livable, more affordable, safer for you?

And let's work on that together.

So I think that as long as our candidates are willing to do that work.

and talk to those issues like we're going to see some really positive things coming out next year.

Pat Critewell (host)

Emily, we're coming up on Halloween night.

You've been busting your butt all week.

Do you do you relax?

Do you take people out trick or treating?

Are you the candy hand or outer?

How are you going to take care of yourself tonight?

Emily Sefos (candidate)

Well, I have three children and they have big plans for a bag full of candy.

So we are gonna, we have our cases.

Yes, exactly.

And my, you know, my middle son was like, I'm going to fill the whole thing.

And like, that's a lot of candy, buddy.

But we're going to be out trick or treating.

So I'm going to do some running to pick up all the food this morning.

And then I'm going to get out trick or treating with them in the afternoon.

Pat Critewell (host)

Got a costume tonight, our favorite one that you've had in the past.

Emily Sefos (candidate)

I'm always Professor McGonagall from

Pat Critewell (host)

Harry

Emily Sefos (candidate)

Potter because I have a robe and it's nice and warm and it's great.

So that is my annual costume.

Pat Critewell (host)

Yeah.

Actually, I was Dumbledore a couple of different times when my daughters were into Harry Potter.

Very easy costume.

Kristen, how about you tonight?

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

I'm making a big pot of soup and handing out goodies to all the kiddos and the grown-ups.

We've got grown-up

Pat Critewell (host)

goodies here.

You put a ladle of soup in the bag, or do you put it in the bag?

Oh, you mean for dinner before.

Just a

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

soupy pillowcase.

That's weird.

That's so- Chocolate.

Pat Critewell (host)

All right.

Now, Kristen Lyrely, listen for her show tomorrow at noon and Sunday as well across the Civic Media Radio Network, Emily Sefos, State Senate candidate at Emily TSE, FFOS, EmilySefos.com.

Emily, Kristen, thank you so much.

Have a great start to the weekend.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely (guest)

Happy

Pat Critewell (host)

Halloween!

Great to talk to you both.

When we come back, coming up, we'll close out with a game of tricks and treats.

Politician or Disney villain.

Politician or Disney villain.

We'll explain after this.

You're up, Mark.

Pat Critello (host)

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Gas station sushi can be counted in there as well.

The Milwaukee Bucks Ryan Rollins set a personal scoring high 32 points to help the Bucks beat Golden State last night.

120 to 110, Yana set out with a sore left knee.

Let's see, there's also college hockey to tell you about coming up Saturday.

The Badger Men's Hockey team will host Minnesota.

530 the pregame begins on WFHR in Wisconsin Rapids and Sunday Packers hosting the Carolina Panthers pregame begins at 10 a.m.

On some of the stations of the Civic Media radio network time to introduce the audience to a new character here on the program And by character I mean an individual I don't mean like this is real name Frank Argano Who serves as our one of our new senior producers at Civic Media Frank welcome to the program

Frank Argano (producer)

Thanks, Pat.

It's been a fun week being on the show.

I know Parker's mentioned the man behind the curtain a couple of times, so it's great to finally be on and meet all of you.

Thank you for putting up with me as I put you two to the test in a game real quick.

You guys ready?

Pat Critello (host)

I'm glad you're bringing ideas here, and this one is called what, Disney villain or politician?

Frank Argano (producer)

Yeah, politician or Disney villain.

Obviously, Disney villains are always popular costumes this time of year, so.

You know, we talk a lot about politics.

So let's let's end the show on a light note and we'll see if you guys can guess if these quotes are attributed to famous politicians or classic Disney villains.

So it's going to be Pat versus Parker.

I'm going to read the quote.

You both will give your guests politician or Disney villain and then Parker will play the clip.

Are you guys ready?

Right.

Oh, yeah.

And just so you know, you guys are playing for a prize.

The winner will get a free beverage of their choice courtesy of yours truly.

Pat Critello (host)

Oh, well, OK.

Let me take the next step toward that old fashioned and go with question number one.

Frank Argano (producer)

Excellent choice.

Question number one, here's the quote.

You know it takes a lot longer to build a lie than to tell the simple truth.

Ooh.

It takes a lot longer to build a lie than to tell the simple truth.

Pat Critello (host)

I'm gonna go with politician.

Frank Argano (producer)

I'm thinking politician too.

Both are going politician, Parker.

You

Audio Clip/Pre-recorded Voice

know, it takes a lot longer to build a lie than to tell the simple truth.

Frank Argano (producer)

That is correct.

It was Speaker of the House Mike Johnson on that

Pat Critello (host)

one.

Well, of course, okay.

Frank Argano (producer)

Which is, you know...

Pat Critello (host)

That

Frank Argano (producer)

retells a lie, right, Pat?

Pat Critello (host)

No, or is incapable of anything.

But all right, question number two.

Frank Argano (producer)

All right, we're tied at one point apiece.

Number two, perfectly balanced as all things should be.

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

What do we think?

Pat Critello (host)

It sounds like a Mary Poppins type thing.

I'm going to, well, she's not a Disney villain.

Oh, maybe just some people.

I would say Disney villain anyway.

Frank Argano (producer)

That's going villain Parker.

I'm thinking villain too.

All right, both guessing the same thing twice in a row.

Let's hear it.

Parker (contributor)

Pretty, isn't it?

Perfectly balanced, as all things should

Frank Argano (producer)

be.

You guys were right.

That was Thanos from the Avengers.

Oh.

Thanos.

Pat Critello (host)

Wow.

Oh, we're even going Avengers on this.

Frank Argano (producer)

Oh, yeah.

That's a Disney face.

It's a Disney property.

The

Pat Critello (host)

Disney umbrella is gargantuan.

Frank Argano (producer)

That is a Disney property.

We're tied at two points apiece on to number three.

See, now you respect me because I'm a threat.

Pat Critello (host)

Oh, God.

Oh, that's

Frank Argano (producer)

see, now you respect me because I'm a threat.

Pat Critello (host)

I really hope that

it's a villain.

So I'm going with that.

OK,

Frank Argano (producer)

there's going villain.

Pat Critello (host)

I'm going to go with politician.

Frank Argano (producer)

That's going politician.

Let's hear it.

See, now you respect me because I'm a threat.

Parker gets the point in this one.

That was syndrome from the Incredibles.

Pat Critello (host)

Oh, OK.

All right.

There we go.

Score one for Parker.

Frank Argano (producer)

Score one for Parker.

He's getting that close.

Pat Critello (host)

He's getting that close to his beverage.

Another glass of

Frank Argano (producer)

water.

I was going to say, it's going to be a nice, what do you think, Dasani Aquafina?

What do you, what's here?

Oh, no, he's

Pat Critello (host)

Fiji.

Fiji's

Frank Argano (producer)

top of the line.

Fiji.

Come on.

Has to be.

Great choice.

All right.

All right.

Moving on to question number four.

Delay in dealing with the problems that we have equals death.

Pat Critello (host)

Ooh.

I think politician.

I'm going to go with politician as well.

Audio Clip/Pre-recorded Voice

Both are going politician.

Let's hear that one.

Delay in dealing with the problems that we have equals death.

Frank Argano (producer)

That's correct.

That's Wisconsin representative Tom Tiffany.

Pat Critello (host)

It's just awkward in that he is a politician of a Disney villain type in his own way.

So I almost feel like we both can get the point for that one.

It's still keeps Parker in the lead.

All right.

Frank Argano (producer)

All right.

For those of you just joining us, we are playing politician or Disney villain.

We're reading famous quotes.

Pat and Parker have to guess whether it's a politician or Disney villain.

Right now Parker leads four to three.

We have time for a couple more.

Let's get to the next one.

I'm surrounded by idiots.

Pat Critello (host)

I mean, everyone has said that at some point in their life.

Yeah.

Frank Argano (producer)

So

Pat Critello (host)

it

Frank Argano (producer)

is famous, famously attributed to this person.

What

Pat Critello (host)

do we

Frank Argano (producer)

think?

Pat Critello (host)

I think it's a

Frank Argano (producer)

villain.

Parker's going villain, Pat.

Pat Critello (host)

Politician.

Frank Argano (producer)

Pat's going politician.

Parker, let's hear it.

Pat Critello (host)

I'm surrounded by idiots.

Frank Argano (producer)

That one was from Scar.

That's from the Lion King.

Pat Critello (host)

Yes,

Frank Argano (producer)

I

Pat Critello (host)

remember the quote well, but I, given that I have said it many a time myself in an ill temper, I'm going to give myself a point having been a politician who probably uttered that at some point.

So half a point for me.

Frank Argano (producer)

Parker is getting away with the lead right now.

It's five to three Parker.

You know, as I was compiling this list with the thought for the game, I was like, wow, these really could go either way.

Oh, absolutely.

Yes.

Pat Critello (host)

It's the genius of this game.

Frank Argano (producer)

All right.

All right.

Next one's real tricky.

This one's they're lying.

I'm over it.

Stop it.

Pat Critello (host)

Oh, we know this

Frank Argano (producer)

one.

I knew Pat would know this one.

Do we get an extra point?

Pat Critello (host)

We know this guy who should be a Disney villain and still has a chance to, after his congressional career is over, play a little Derrick Forrest Parker.

They're lying.

I'm over it.

Stop it.

Derrick Van Orden's greatest hits, boys and girls.

Frank Argano (producer)

It's a classic.

Six to four.

Parker's in the lead.

Let's see if Pat can close the gap real quick.

Real quick.

You have to be willing to do whatever it takes to seize your moment.

there

Pat Critello (host)

we go politician he says villain play it success doesn't come for free you have to be willing to do whatever it takes to seize your moments

Frank Argano (producer)

who was that one was Ernesto de la Cruz from Coco I think with

Pat Critello (host)

that all

Frank Argano (producer)

the time we have Parker win this one congratulations of choice

Pat Critello (host)

it's gonna be a good Fiji

Frank Argano (producer)

Love it.

BG water.

Thanks for playing along, guys.

Pat Critello (host)

Thank you, Frank.

Thanks to Happy Halloween, everybody.

Have a wonderful weekend.

We'll see you back here Monday morning, bright and early here up north.

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Pat Crightlow

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6.06 on a Thursday morning, October 30th, 2025, October 30th.

Happy birthday to my oldest daughter.

It means I've been a parent for years.

She's at that age now.

You can't say that my eight year old daughter my 10 year old daughter knows my 30 something daughter.

So happy birthday.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake Basota from wherever you're listening across the civic media radio network spending your mornings right here as we get set for Halloween just one day away.

November just two days away.

I got a question for you.

Do you trust Joe Namath to sell you health insurance or

Jimmy Walker, remember JJ Walker from Goodtimes?

Or William Shatner from Star Trek?

Or some of the other, you know, D-list celebrities that are in these ads for health insurance through something called Medicare Advantage?

If you're, you know, say under 50, you probably don't think about this at all.

You probably don't notice the commercials one bit.

But if you have a parent that is approaching, you know, 65 or a few yourself or getting there and you're starting to pay attention to this kind of stuff like I am in my impending elderliness and with a parent who just turned 80 and is looking at a Medicare Advantage plan that she'd had for years.

and is now being canceled.

And so she and a whole bunch of other seniors around the country have to find new Medicare Advantage plans.

I mean, everybody has to do a lot of homework real fast.

So we've got an expert coming in today to talk about that at 735.

And she'll tell us all about, you know, what, what to look for in Medicare.

Now, let me back up a second here.

Because I don't blame you if you don't know what the Medicare Advantage blah, blah, blah.

Medicare, the actual Medicare, the thing that got set up back in the 60s, all right, was to make sure you've paid your taxes all your life, all your working years.

And when you turn 65, your health care is just taken care of by and large.

Well, somewhere along the line, some politicians allowed

regular old insurance companies to sneak in there and offer their own plans and call it Medicare Advantage, even though it is nothing like regular Medicare.

And the problem is, once you decide to go with one of those plans, it's tough to go back to original Medicare and you're suddenly trapped in that web that you thought you got rid of when you're retired and you could just get regular Medicare.

So we're going to talk about the difference between regular Medicare versus these Medicare Advantage plans.

They do have some pun intended advantages, but the disadvantages are something you really ought to consider before you put your name on the dotted lines on place.

So stick around for that.

That's coming up.

We will also be talking to Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets.

I got five trillion reasons for you to be concerned about a stock market bubble because we hear all about

you know, how the stock market is going great guns right now.

So the economy must be great.

No, it's not.

It's not.

There is such a bubble brewing in AI right now.

And Sean O'Malley is going to help share some of the warning signs with us.

So that's coming up along the way as well.

And of course, your input, which is always welcome by phone, by text, by comment, by email, 855-755-CIVIC, 855-755-24842, or use that Civic Media app to call us, to text us, to send us a voice note, or jump in the comment sections of Facebook or YouTube.

That would be the Up North News Facebook or YouTube pages, or the Civic Media Facebook or YouTube pages.

And it's on there where, let me bring the card up here on for social media, where people

people can see.

There's a lot fewer leaves here along Lake Wissota right now.

Parker Olson joining us from Madison Studio A2.

We're out imagining the leaves have been falling fast and furious by you as well.

Parker Olson

Yes, they have.

There are about no leaves on the tree I parked my car under.

Pat Crightlow

They're about no, yeah, we're getting there rapidly.

So I'm hoping for decent weather this weekend because then it's just going to be me and a leaf blower.

Then you hear it all throughout the neighborhood because raking, raking stinks if you've got more than a postage size, postage stamp size lawn.

So if you

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can use power,

Pat Crightlow

if you can use

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power

Pat Crightlow

to get those leaves out of there, why the heck wouldn't you?

We've got it.

We've got lovely fall weather out.

Parker Olson

I didn't know you felt so strongly about your leaf blower.

Pat Crightlow

Come on.

It's a lot of fun.

I've done the raking thing.

And I, you know, I'm not, I'm not immune.

These

Parker Olson

hands are too old.

Pat Crightlow

These hands are so they're so dainty and delicate.

And no, no, no.

But they do after a while.

It's like, okay, this is getting old.

Can we do something?

It's about speed.

more than actually about power or hands or anything else.

It's like, can we get this chore done with already?

Especially if I mean, it's one thing if you've if you've got little kids, I remember having to rake all the leaves in a pile and the kids jump in.

Oh, it's fun.

It really is.

But at some point, you don't have that anymore.

And you're just like, Oh, let's just get these out of here.

You know, and you know, preferably in my case, down the down the bank, you know, close to the lake.

But because I like both my neighbors on either side, but there have been years

in the past with different neighbors.

Oh, it's like, oh, oh, no, the wind was suddenly out of the east.

I don't know how that happened.

Oh, well.

Oops.

Oops.

So that's Jim.

Look at look at me making trouble on the street here already.

Let's see.

We we also have well, you pay attention to the YAC.

Parker Olson

I do.

Pat Crightlow

Thank you.

Parker Olson

Okay.

Pat Crightlow

Pat, thank you.

Thank you for saying YAC.

Okay, that is the Wisconsin, the Wisconsin enters Galactic athletic intercollegiate intergalactic athletic conference.

Parker Olson

Yeah,

Pat Crightlow

so it'd be like your UW whitewater Eau Claire Platteville, things like that.

And apparently somebody else

Parker Olson

not say why a lot this is a massive debate in like the division three community

Pat Crightlow

of whether it's

Parker Olson

why ack or we ack.

Pat Crightlow

No, WEAC is the teacher's union, W-E-A-C, the Wisconsin Education Association Council.

That's WEAC.

I have never heard the WAAC called the WEAC.

So, whoever's doing that needs to sit down.

Parker Olson

That's

Pat Crightlow

just wrong.

Parker Olson

I want you to know I'm clipping this and I am sending it to my friends.

Pat Crightlow

Good.

Parker Olson

Because

Pat Crightlow

this

Parker Olson

is very important.

Pat Crightlow

It's not just important, kids.

It's basic.

It is.

It's the WAAC.

Anyway.

Plattville from the YAC was the opponent for the Wisconsin Badgers in this year's, uh, Guarding Against Cancer Classic.

I mean, I might have the name wrong on that, but, you know, the Guard brothers were coaches, the respective coaches at Madison and Plattville.

And how did, uh, I assume the Badger men prevailed in this instance.

Parker Olson

The Badgers did win.

I don't think it was as pretty

Pat Crightlow

as they wanted it to be.

Um,

Here it is.

69 53 Badgers over Platteville.

Final tune up game for the Badgers before their season begins next Monday against, of course, the fighting camels of Campbell University down,

Derek Van Orden (audio clip)

right?

Pat Crightlow

I'm never I'm never going to take seriously.

Unless, of course, the Badgers managed to lose next Monday.

Then it's a whole different thing.

But Badgers begin the regular season next week.

And you said what you said, what Platteville actually put up a bit of a fight.

Parker Olson

I believe so.

Yeah.

I think I read that they actually were up like eight and a thing or something like that.

Um,

Pat Crightlow

I can see that.

I mean, there was the one year, um, you know, they rotate schools.

And one year it was UW Claire and we went down to Madison to see the blue golds play, uh, you know, the Badgers and of course the Badgers ultimately prevailed, but you get that false sense of security when the Badgers are just kind of doing their rope and rope strategy and just letting, you know, seeing what the other team has got.

So I'm sure the Platteville fans enjoyed that.

But yes, in the end, ultimately the Badger men were victorious as were the Toronto blue chase.

Parker Olson

Yeah,

Pat Crightlow

who beat the LA Dodgers six to one last night to come within a game of clinching the World Series.

Game six will be tomorrow night as Team Canada and and team team everyone

Parker Olson

but LA

Pat Crightlow

team everyone but LA actually.

Yes.

Roots for Toronto and tomorrow night's game.

The Dodgers looked so quiet last night in the parts that I saw the ones where we're watching the Brewers going

Come on, guys.

Come on, guys.

Come on, guys.

And you could just they kept doing cutaways of the crowd, the Dodger crowd, just all looking like.

Come on, guys.

Come on.

Anytime, guys.

And it was like, it was like they just they ran out of gas.

They're just done.

Now, can they can they pull off one game, much less two in Canada?

Sure, it's possible.

I mean, we've seen that lineup.

We see what it can do.

But at this point, Toronto definitely has the momentum and

That would that would be all right with us.

They

Parker Olson

know.

Yeah, I'm okay with the blue jays one.

Pat Crightlow

Yeah.

Yeah, we can do that.

Let's see one news clip to tell you about and then we're gonna hear from Sharita Booker as we talk about weekend events that you might consider attending at points around Wisconsin this weekend.

But as the government shutdown drags on, and we look back at the record of what some of these folks in Congress have had to say.

you know, in the past about government shutdowns and budgets and things like that, something really grabbed our attention from Western Wisconsin Congressman Derek Van Orden, who, like others, tries to do this job of pretending to be a moderate, pretending to call out the right wing of his party when, in fact, he is a, you know, dues paying member of the right wing of his party.

But he was on something called the John Frederick Show in December of last year.

So they knew they were about to take control of Congress.

Donald Trump had just won the presidential election.

They were going to have the House and the Senate and the White House.

And this is what Congressman Derek Van Orden had to say about being in the majority and therefore they

were able to pass a budget.

They were going to do whatever it is they wanted to do.

And if they couldn't get their stuff together, well, then by gum, they, you know, they should pay a price for that.

Listen to what Derek Van Orden had to say.

Derek Van Orden (audio clip)

When we have unified government, I'll be very clear about this.

When we have unified government, if we cannot get our 12 appropriations bills through in a budget, then we don't deserve to be in the majority any longer.

We don't.

You know, I don't sugarcoat anything.

And I'll take the paint off anybody that

is is talking smack about these sorts of things that includes members of my own party.

So a lot of the reasons you got to understand that we didn't get a lot of things done was because of members of the Republican Party.

Some of our far right guys held things up in the rules committee.

They voted against rules if the rule passed and they prevented a lot of these measures getting through.

So that's true.

The other side of the the coin is anything we do has to get through the Senate which was controlled by

Chuck Schumer, it still is until we get through January.

So I'll say that again real clear.

When we have unified government, if we can't get our 12 appropriations bills through and a budget passed, then we do not deserve to be in the majority

Pat Crightlow

period.

I'm Derek Van Orden, and I approve this message.

There, game set match from Derek Van Orden himself.

If they can't get their 12 appropriations bills because if you don't know the background, there isn't like one federal budget bill.

It's broken up into pieces called appropriations bills.

There's 12 of them total.

Some pass ahead of others because some need more debate, etc, etc.

They can't do any of that.

They passed the one big bloated boondoggle because it wasn't a full federal budget.

It was just a roadmap of, you know, trillions of dollars in cuts to make to give tax cuts to the very wealthy.

Big-time cuts in Medicaid and in SNAP SNAP benefits are going to run out this weekend even though they don't have to because there's a multi-billion dollar contingency fund that the Trump administration is refusing to use they actually want families to go hungry to put pressure on Democrats to cave in and let Republicans jack up health insurance costs under the Affordable Care Act.

And Derek Van Orden is telling you, well, once we're in control, if we can't get those appropriations bills passed, if we are that dysfunctional, we should not be in the majority.

So that's an interesting bit of audio that that is not the last time you're going to hear that played.

That basically is the 2026 message about how the Republicans have done in Washington so far.

Temperatures in Wisconsin range from 23 in Merrill to 43 in Door County.

It's 34 in Wasaw, 37 in Oshkosh, 34 in La Crosse, and 27 degrees here in the Chippewa Valley.

Sherita Booker tells us about trains, wine, and lizards for weekend events all after the break.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Pat Critello (host)

All right, let's talk about your money in the markets with Sean O'Malley joining us now.

Mr. O'Malley, how are you?

I'm doing well, Pat.

How are you doing

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

this

Pat Critello (host)

morning?

I'm doing fine.

We're really going to look at your expertise here in financial compliance and all the things that that

just make my red flags go up about what is happening in the markets, the way that money is moving all around in one particular area.

And what led me to this, Sean, was this headline about a company that is now worth, it has a market capitalization of $5 trillion with a T. I have a tough enough time with the concept of any one person being a

billionaire how much it would take to collect and spend $1 billion to have a $5 trillion company just sounds fishy to me and it tells me that there might be more behind this current stock market run that does not appear to reflect the greater economy.

Does it raise some red flags with you?

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

Absolutely, Pat.

This is one of the things that we call a concentration risk.

Right now, the company you're talking about, of course, is NVIDIA.

They make up a huge proportion of the market capitalization weighted S&P 500 index.

So basically, whatever happens with NVIDIA, that's what's happening with the S&P 500 index to a large extent, because they are literally, I think, about a quarter of the weight.

given their capitalization.

Now, here's the really funny thing, though.

This bubble thing isn't exactly new.

When I was in London two and a half weeks ago, I took a picture of an article that I read that I thought was particularly interesting.

And it was entitled, Are We in an AI Bubble?

It was from the London Sunday Times and authored by John Yeomans.

And he had eight reasons for why he felt that was the case.

Now, I noted in there looking sort of zooming in on that photo.

This was two and a half weeks ago.

Nvidia's market cap at that point in time was $4.7 trillion.

So in those two and a half weeks, they have gone up $300 billion in market capitalization.

Pat Critello (host)

That's not, there's nothing realistic about that.

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

No, that's it's like saying okay yeah we went up 6% in two weeks.

Pat Critello (host)

It's like we're playing whose line is it anyway with the stock market where the where the points don't matter.

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

Yeah, and they're there there are a number of people that I listen to that do very intelligent podcasts online where all the comment has been that.

I mean, a couple of comments.

One, it feels more like we're gambling now.

It feels more like we're in a casino rather than a stock market.

And the second one was, you know, talking about the fact that we, with the government shutdown, we have no economic data to go on.

We were supposed to get GDP this morning.

We don't have that.

We are supposed to get initial jobless claims for the week.

We don't have that.

We haven't had it since September 20th, you know, unemployment.

Haven't seen that since September.

So we are literally flying blind We don't really know what's going on and yet the market keeps going up and AI is Riding it

Pat Critello (host)

which which enables, you know again the current administration to say whatever they want to say and to say everything is just hunky-dory But it's not all hunky-dory.

I mean we see it just in the numbers the the the crazy

tens of thousands of numbers of layoffs that have been announced so far this year.

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the Fed's rate cut this week clearly has a lot of support given that they say that they're focusing on the labor market.

And you just look at the litany of companies that have laid off.

I mean, I'm not going to go through all of them, but I mean, Intel, don't forget, US government owns 10% of that.

24,000 employees laid off.

Amazon 14 and they're estimated to go up to 30,000 now.

Amazon, interestingly, has told their board of directors that they are going to be able to double their revenues between now and 2033 without adding any additional staff.

None.

Not one more human involved in the process, but we're going to double revenues.

Wow.

Pat Critello (host)

Look at these though.

Nestle 16,000 employees cut UPS 14,000 Ford 11,000 and on and on people closer to home heard about target cutting 1800 employees and I get that in a lot of instances these these announcements are accompanied by well AI means we can do more with fewer people I I really get the suspicion that

they're more fundamentals at play, but AI is an easy thing to cite rather than to say, you know, this current administration is kind of screwing up the economy.

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

Yeah, well, yeah, it's it's both are happening.

As no idea what they're doing with the economy, which is why nobody's making any investments in this economy.

We have become the pariah globally in trade and

you know, all transactions and investment of all sorts.

Everybody's sort of trying to placate President Trump saying, oh, yeah, we're going to come in and do investment, but we'll see if it actually happens.

Pat Critello (host)

And yet that leads to what you would call a generational gap in terms of where the market is going right now in light of these federal reserve cuts.

Sean O'Malley (financial expert)

Correct.

And we've talked about this sort of topic before, but we're putting a label on it now.

We talked about who is going to sort of win and lose with the economy.

And now they're putting a label on it.

It's the generational gap.

So older people who have more wealth in stocks are going to do fine.

They're doing well.

But younger generations that are more debt burdened are dealing in, obviously, most of them don't own their home.

So they're dealing with rental prices that are ever increasing.

And student loan debt that they have to deal with and you know other things that you know Most of us had to deal with a lot of debt when we were younger that problem has gotten worse.

So what we're seeing is Older graying America doing very well financially and the younger generation 20s 30s, you know early 30s, I guess I'd say probably more Really not doing well and and not having much of a chance to get ahead

Pat Critello (host)

No, and it leads to that this much I've learned about the alphabet covering economic recoveries There's either the the V shaped recovery where it's a quick recovery the U shaped recovery where it's a long hard slog and then worst of all for some people the K shaped one where some go up really nicely and Some really not so much.

We're talking to Sean O'Malley about your money in the markets.

We'll talk a little bit more about the

AI bubble that appears to be out there and then we'll bring in Joseph Pecky and Todd Alba before we're all done on a Thursday morning live from Lake Wasota.

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Jane and Greg will welcome in Todd Alba at 9.35 and then just after 10 a.m.

Karine Hendrickson, candidate for State Senate and a member of Main Street Alliance.

We'll be joining them again just after 10 o'clock this morning for Matt Nair on Air.

Later on the Maggie Dawn show at four o'clock, Angela Lang, the Executive Director at Block, will be part of the program.

Again, head to civicmedia.us to learn more.

Now Ruth Conniff joins us now from the Wisconsin Examiner and we'll be talking about a few different things the examiner is following including her latest column Wisconsin school children become a 2026 campaign issue in the worst possible way.

We'll get to that and some of the other stories we're following with Ruth now.

Ruth Conniff, good morning.

How are you?

Good morning.

Very well, thanks.

It's good to have you here, and we'll come to the article in just a bit.

But first, I wanted to mention that the examiner, like everybody else, is covering the story today about the basically monster hike in health insurance premiums that's coming.

And it was a case of Governor Evers, along with the Office of the Commissioner of Insurance, putting out specific numbers yesterday, which really takes it worth beyond

some kind of ethereal thing about, well, the things might happen.

These are the things that are actually going to happen to these kinds of households in these kinds of counties.

It was a very specific illustration of the pain that lies ahead.

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah, my deputy Eric Gunn covered that yesterday.

He went down to Milwaukee and saw the press conference that Evers held down there and is reporting all the numbers from the Wisconsin Commissioner of Insurance this morning on our website at WisconsinExaminer.com.

And it's really pretty frightening to look at the kinds of health insurance hikes that people are facing.

And as Tammy Baldwin said yesterday,

Many people are simply going to have to drop their insurance because they don't have the money to cover these kinds of expansions.

It's very uneven across the state.

Yes.

You know, there's, you know, some people are looking at just a 10% hike, but that is the minority of residents of the state of Wisconsin because, you know, overall 39% in Waukesha County up to as high as 800% for a 60 year old couple in Barron County.

So.

it's very, very significant.

Pat Krightlo (host)

It is.

And I urge people to look at the articles and more to to find out just to give that one example in dollars and cents in Barron County, if you're a 60 year old, you're a couple making $85,000 a year, you're still five years away from Medicare, Social Security, you know, full benefits are seven years away, I think at that age, you're currently paying $340 a month for a silver level plan.

starting Saturday instead of $340, it'll be $3,103.

That's $33,000 a year that you would have to have lying around or decide to go without health insurance.

And that's where, again, many people are going to go.

And Ruth, you and I have been doing this long enough.

We remember the news stories pre affordable care act of people going without health insurance and the, you know, the financial and life tragedies that befell people.

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

Yeah, it's been such a significant improvement in quality of life for health insurance to be more accessible to millions and millions of people across this country.

And the big issue right now that is holding up the end of the government shutdown is that Democrats are insisting

that Congress fix the sunset of affordable care and insurance subsidies, which is about to hit.

So, you know, since 2021, people have been able to afford their insurance better because of this, you know, this boost from the government covering health care.

the insurance premiums that people are otherwise paying.

And that's about to go away.

And so, you know, there's just this political war on about who's to blame for the government shutdown.

Is it Republicans who control every branch of government?

Or is it Democrats who don't want to pass a resolution to reopen the government without fixing this problem?

And this is the problem now, what we're looking at today, this announcement in Wisconsin of these massive skyrocketing premiums for people who are getting afford, you know,

getting their health care through the Affordable Care Act marketplace.

So I think that's the thing that people need to focus on, not so much the who's to blame battle that's going on in Washington, but the actual dollars and cents problem that people across Wisconsin are going to face starting Saturday when they can no longer afford health care.

Pat Krightlo (host)

We're talking to Ruth Conniff, editor-in-chief at the Wisconsin Examiner, and I can't ever have a conversation with Ruth without talking a bit about migrant farm labor in Wisconsin.

and her book, Milked, is required reading to understand the immigration crisis in this nation from a Wisconsin and dairy industry standpoint.

You did have an article or a column earlier this month about tariffs and the immigration crackdown taking a toll on Wisconsin farmers and of course their farm laborers.

how would you best describe from an overview where we are, you know, three coming up on four weeks into this shutdown from the standpoint of Wisconsin farms and specifically Wisconsin's dairy industry?

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

Well, the shutdown is really bad for farmers.

And one of the things that it's delaying is

Trump's promised subsidies for farms that are supposed to make up for the impact of tariffs.

I mean, farmers in Wisconsin and across the country are paying really high prices for fertilizer, for farm equipment, because of the trade wars that Trump started with his tariffs.

And then on top of that, China in May stopped buying all soybeans from the United States.

Well, China is the biggest soybean customer in Wisconsin, and that's a major crop in our state.

Farmers are unsure whether they will be able to sell their soybean crop, which is, you know, a record crap this year at all.

It's harvest time and their biggest customer is not available.

So, you know, this has been a huge problem for farmers.

It has caused farmers across the country and sort of the main national survey of farmer outlook to say that they are pessimistic about their economic prospects right now.

And that's, you know, that's brutal.

And then on top of that, we have this immigration crackdown.

So farmers are hanging on for this subsidy that's supposed to make up for the impact of tariffs.

That's what Trump has promised them.

But, you know, as a former USDA officially interviewed about this said, it's not even robbing Peter to pay Paul, it's robbing Peter to pay Peter to create a subsidy out of what Trump says is the revenue coming in from tariffs.

Well, that revenue is what farmers are paying in high prices for farm equipment and fertilizer.

Trump is promising

to turn around and give them a bailout using their own money.

What farmers want is markets that work for them to be able to sell their products and make a living.

And that is not on the horizon right now.

There's a vague promise that somehow tariffs are going to improve that situation, are going to counteract the long-term effects of global economic selling your product at a low price on a global.

on a global marketplace is hard, and that is a problem that needs to be addressed.

But it's not at all clear how this chaotic economic situation that we're in now with trade wars and tariffs is advancing the ball in that.

So that's where they are currently with the shutdown.

And then on top of that, the threat of mass deportation is a

big, big deal for Wisconsin because our dairy industry depends on the labor of immigrants who are not allowed to get a visa through our current system because year-round farm work does not qualify for a visa.

The H2A visa, which is a farm work visa that most farm workers who can get a visa use, is seasonal only.

So if you have a year-round industry, it is automatically disqualified from

that visa.

So here we have an industry in the dairy industry that for decades has depended 60 to 90% of the labor is immigrant labor.

They can't qualify for a visa because Congress has never fixed that system and created a year round visa.

And so now we're threatening to deport all these guys.

But what's going to happen to our dairy industry if we lose 60 to 90% of our labor, it can't, it can't survive that.

Pat Krightlo (host)

So that's a

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

major crisis.

Pat Krightlo (host)

It can't sustain that.

And there are people that

could be working on these things like Congressman Derek Van Orden, who's got a very dairy heavy congressional district or Congressman Tom Tiffany, who's been in office in Congress in the legislature long enough.

And instead, switching gears to a different story that you're following, Tom Tiffany, who's now running for governor.

was there on the steps of the Capitol late last week talking about his outrage over a Cap Times investigation tracking more than 200 cases of alleged child sexual abuse by Wisconsin teachers and the way that these cases were handled by the State Department of Public Instruction.

But again, this is me editorializing for a moment.

This is Rich coming from a guy who, you know, has not exactly been calling for the release of the Epstein files.

So you do

a wonderful job of putting this into perspective of saying, look, these are serious allegations.

There's some serious cases here.

But let's not be fooled by the outright politicization of this matter from certain politicians as well.

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

Yeah, I'm really dismayed by what has happened with that story.

The cap time spent a year doing an investigation in which they found these 200 cases

And in many cases, the Department of Public Instruction in Wisconsin allowed teachers to give up their licenses voluntarily and then drop these investigations against them.

The suggestion in the cap time story is that this amounts to a cover up or hiding shielding is the word they use these cases.

It's a little more complicated than that.

Jill Underly, the state superintendent argues that teachers

who give up their teaching license are now in a national database, and they're taken away from children.

And furthermore, it's not DPI's job to continue to investigate people who are no longer in the profession.

So I think there's something to be said for that.

The problem is Jill underly went to get an award from her alma mater in Indiana instead of showing up for the legislative hearing on this issue, prompted by that Cap Times investigation, which

really gives the impression that she doesn't care very much about something that is becoming a major scandal.

And as frankly, you mentioned Tom Tiffany and his press conference at the Capitol, it's going to be a big campaign issue.

And it feeds into this political environment in which

For many, many years, Republicans and the incredibly powerful school choice lobby in Wisconsin have been pushing the message that public schools have failed, that we should take the money that we spend on public education, pull it out of the public schools and hand it over to private school operators.

And that is increasingly a huge problem for the finances of public education in our state.

So that's kind of the political backdrop.

You know, basically,

this is a gift to the Tom Tiffany campaign and to Republicans who are running in 2026 to say look how look at these terrible teachers you know they're sexual predators and the Department of Public Instruction is hiding this from you and it's it's actually not quite that uh but it's really important to push back because

you know, for one thing, the private schools that Republicans want to channel money into have zero oversight.

Pat Krightlo (host)

They're

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

less accountable.

They're less accountable.

Pat Krightlo (host)

The

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

teachers don't even need to have a license.

So the teachers in private schools could be doing anything we don't know.

And the concerns raised in that cap times investigation, lack of transparency, lack of accountability, lack of a record that shows the public what's going on with these investigations, that's going to be much worse in the private schools.

We're just not going to see what's happening there.

And we don't

hold these teachers account.

So, so that's, you know, it's not, it's, it's a narrative, it's an unfortunate narrative that contributes to the destruction of our once great public school system in Wisconsin, but underly is really, she really shares some blame for this.

Pat Krightlo (host)

She needs to

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

show up.

Pat Krightlo (host)

She did.

And she, if I recall right, she turned down request interviews by the cap times prior to this coming out, which to me was

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

herself claimed it would be a conflict of interest for her to talk to the cap times, which is

Silly.

And I feel sorry for her deputies at DPI, who showed up very well prepared at this legislative hearing.

But the news out of that hearing was that Underly herself was too busy getting an award from her on the modder to come in

Pat Krightlo (host)

person.

And look, I'm leaving room for, because I don't put it past the Republican members, to understand that Underly already had a previously scheduled trip and may have monkeying around with the schedule.

To me, the original sin was Jill Underly not sitting down with a reporter or making every deputy imaginable available to do this.

And like you said, it's opened up the door for all kinds of politics to be played with something, which is exactly why your headline says that the children have become a campaign issue in the worst

possible way you can read this full column and much more at the Wisconsin Examiner.

Head over to Wisconsinexaminer.com.

Ruth Conniff, Editor-in-Chief.

Thank you very much for some much needed background on this.

We appreciate it.

Ruth Conniff (guest, Editor-in-Chief at Wisconsin Examiner)

Great to be with you Pat.

Thanks.

Pat Krightlo (host)

All right.

Thank you Ruth.

We will have some final news and notes from Lake Wissota coming up after this.

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All right, well, with the government shutdown, there's something happening that has not really happened before in a government shutdown that looks to be happening here shortly.

And that is snap running out of money, nutritional benefits for lower income families.

In past government shutdowns, there was agreement that look, we're debating other things about funding the government, but hungry families shouldn't go hungry, kids shouldn't go hungry.

Those benefits continue.

The only time it was ever in jeopardy was during the shutdown that happened during the first Trump term.

But again at the last moment it was it was saved this time around the Trump administration is hell bent on making sure that you know kids in lower-income families don't get enough food to eat and Refusing to budge even though there is additional money available.

There are supplemental funds The USDA could be using to apply towards snap benefits, but they choose not to Because the cruelty is the point of this the same goes for the

but the spike that's coming in health insurance premiums as a result of the government shutdown.

The government shutdown is happening because premium tax credits for the Affordable Care Act, the things that make health insurance more affordable,

in the Affordable Care Act marketplace are expiring.

This is extra help that was put in during the pandemic and it made a real difference to families.

It continues to make a real difference.

It's the kind of thing that frankly should have happened a lot earlier pre-pandemic to make health care more attainable, more affordable for families.

But

politics being what it is, you get the best deal that you can get.

And four years ago, there was this agreement in Congress, all right, we're going to have these enhanced premium tax credits, things that make these policies more affordable.

And we'll do it for four years.

That seems to be the best that we can do to get past Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema and, you know, anybody else.

So there they are.

And they're getting set to expire.

And now you've got people, Derrick Van Orden most recently saying, it was the Democrats that set it up to expire.

This is all they're doing.

Technically true.

But again, rewind the clock.

Let's go back.

2017, the first Trump administration and the massive corporate tax breaks, the massive tax breaks geared toward the very wealthy that were set to expire back in 2017.

They set it for eight years.

They're going to expire at the end of this year.

What did the Trump administration want?

They wanted those tax cuts to continue.

Some of them to be made permanent.

And that's what they got.

So it's not like they have to go away because you reach the end of a particular cycle.

If it's something that's worth fighting for, Republicans clearly thought it was worth fighting for the very rich.

And that's what they got done.

And now it's Democrats who are fighting for what they believe in, which is affordable health care.

Whose side would you rather be on in that debate, by the way?

The billionaires getting the extra tax cuts along with the corporations or the families who, like you, could be one job loss away or one cancer diagnosis or one car crash away from medical bankruptcy.

That's what Democrats are fighting for, and Republicans are so hell-bent on protecting

the health insurance companies and the corporate profits that come from it, that they would rather keep the government shut down than negotiate with Democrats and somehow keep trying to find ways to blame them.

So the premium credits are going away.

And the open enrollment period begins on November 1st.

That's this Saturday.

And some of the prices are already being released as far as

how much more it's going to cost Wisconsin families.

And the Office of Commissioner of Insurance put out some examples.

So here are some examples for you quick before we take a break here.

Family of four, income $130,000 a year.

And you're looking for a silver plan on the marketplace.

And you live in Eau Claire County.

And right now, thanks to those enhanced tax credits, that family of four pays $704 a month for health insurance, $700 a month for health insurance.

When those tax credits go away, come Saturday, if they want to renew, it's going to cost $2,700, not $700, $700.

That's $24,000 a year in higher health insurance costs.

In Racine County, it goes from $1,000 for that family of four to $2,400 a month for a total of $16,600 a year more that Republicans want you to pay.

If you're 60 years old and it's just a couple living together $85,000 a year income and you're say in You know Brown County currently cost you 600 bucks starting Saturday 2,700 bucks an extra $25,000 a year For a couple that's still five years away from qualifying for Medicare and Social Security And there's more I'll give you more throughout the coming days here examples of this is what Republicans actually want

They'd rather protect the health insurance company profits than to take your taxes and make health insurance more affordable for everybody.

Instead, they want to give it away to billionaires.

That's your money they're doing it with.

Today's history lesson is next.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

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