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Hey there, Wisconsin.
Good morning.
It is 606 on this Wednesday morning, October 8th, 2025.
It surely is another beautiful morning up north, but even from here, live in Texas this week,
we appreciate you joining us from wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the civic media radio network or watching us on social media, listening by podcast just appreciate you getting your day started right here and started with the the greeting and introduction from producer Parker Olson in Madison studio a to where
Yes, as I get set to wrap up a few days in Dallas here, I will not miss the traffic one bit, not one Texas.
I mean, the Illinois driver thing, you know, they occasionally will make a jerk move.
You
know, that's the main thing they'll speed past you, you know, things like that.
Here, every intersection, you take your life into your own hands.
You never know who is going to come
barreling through at any given point.
I mean, the lights and signs mean nothing down here.
It is just absolutely
why that
Well, keep in mind that yesterday or the day before, I was raving about the highway system itself.
Again, because there's there's a lot of land here, you can make the highways very wide, you can have the express lanes, there's all these extra ramps and bridges and all that.
But I think that that's great when it's not rush hour.
I now had to make a couple of different runs out to the airport to take you know our younger daughter back so she could fly back home and then to take you know some our other grandkids so they could fly off and then we're flying out tomorrow.
And I'm telling you you you can't pave your way to easy traffic around that Dallas Fort Worth Airport.
It's just not possible but
You know, it is what it is.
We still we still managed to have a good time.
Our daughter that lives here took us to the Fort Worth Stockyards yesterday.
Oh, yeah.
A must you get to see all the Longhorn cattle being, you know, marched down the cobblestone streets of what used to be a very bustling, you know, meat packing in area.
But now lots of touristy shops and things like that and and
Yes, Parker, just for you, I did take photos of the chaps that were on sale.
Did you buy any?
No, I did not have no need.
No need.
Nor for for any any cowboy hats, or arrowheads, or lassoes, or you know, I mean, look, there's, there's tourist traps everywhere.
Texas is no exception.
yeah.
My brother
in high school.
for what practical purpose, dare I
yeah, well, musical theater, then that that's fine.
I mean, it's, it wasn't like he was looking for a prom date or something.
I pick you.
No, certainly not.
Good, good.
That's a nice development then.
So anyway, all all
all going well.
It'll be nice to get home.
That's for sure where things continue to be busy.
It's a busy season back home with all kinds of political notes.
And so I've got a question for you.
Did you assume that Josh Kahl was basically going to waltz right into the governor's race?
because you can't be blamed if that's what you thought.
It was, after all, that's the Tony Evers path to the governor's office.
But Josh Call is going to run instead for a third term as state attorney general.
And we're going to talk more about that in just about 10 minutes or so.
And we're going to do a little comparing contrast of Wisconsin's attorney general versus the United States attorney general Pam Bondi and the
reality trash TV worthy performance that she gave yesterday when testifying before Congress.
So we'll have that discussion coming up.
Also later in the show, we're going to be talking to Chuck Collins, who is from the patriotic millionaires group.
And he has this book burned by billionaires, how concentrated wealth and power are ruining our lives and the planet.
He is one of the grandsons of Oscar Meyer.
So he knows a thing or two about family fortunes.
and how wealth is first collected, but then protected, and then you pursue political power, and then you actually take that power and extract more wealth out of the middle class.
All the stuff that happened during the Gilded Age, which is happening again right now.
And so Chuck Collins talks about how do you fight that?
And it's not a matter of going after the billionaires themselves, although that they make a tempting target, but it is the system.
and you have to elect people that pledge to fix the system and make it work better for everybody and not just for their biggest and best campaign donors.
We're also going to be talking in our homeroom segment.
This is basically our one Texas segment while I'm down here is talking to an official who works with a group that supports public schools and the ongoing
battles that they face because of support for taxpayer funded vouchers for private schools.
And she works especially with Texas schools, but can tell us that from Texas and other states, what lessons can we learn in Wisconsin?
Because we've got a voucher system that is already approaching the $1 billion a year price tag.
And what can we do before
this beast becomes an absolute taxpayer catastrophe.
So that's coming up at 735 in our homeroom segment.
We're going to talk to Ellie Bardot, our new newsletter editor here at Up North News.
And of course, it's Wednesday.
So we've got all kinds of regular friends, Earl Ingram about his podcast, Melissa Baldoff talking about climate, Jimmy Cusco talking about sports.
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From a sports standpoint, we've got the Brewers playing the Cubs a little later on this afternoon in the National League Division Series, game three, hopefully going for a sweep as the series moves to Wrigley Field.
But let's start with the games from last night because one of them, Parker, was especially exciting where the Yankees were facing elimination and they were down early in their game to the Toronto Blue Jays six to one.
And they managed to come all the way back.
Thanks to, I think you've heard of this guy, Aaron Judge.
He's pretty good.
He's pretty good.
A kid, a game tying homer.
He drove in four runs overall in a clutch performance for the ages, they're saying, as the Yankees staved off elimination, rallying from being down 6-1 to beat the Toronto Blue Jays 9-6 in game three.
It was the Yankees largest comeback ever.
in an elimination game, which is saying something given the storied history of that franchise.
They will do it again tonight at Yankee Stadium.
In the other American League division series game three, the Seattle Mariners beat the Detroit Tigers eight to four last night.
So Seattle's up two games to one on Detroit.
So we've got the full load of division series games today, including the Brewers going for that three game sweep against the Cubs as the series moves to Wrigley Field for today's start.
It is a 408 start which means that pregame coverage begins on stations of the civic media radio network starting at 330 this afternoon again pregame 330 for brewers versus cubs If the brewers don't win this afternoon then game four will be at Wrigley Field tomorrow So again that that full slate of games at Seattle Detroit at two brewers cubs at four
Blue jays Yankees at six and then fill these Dodgers at eight where the Dodgers are up two games to love over Philadelphia as well.
So we've got a very busy week for baseball here.
At some point we'll talk about the Packers again, but I'm a baseball guy.
This is the best season baseball whenever we can.
Yes, he is.
We talked about that yesterday in our eight 30 half hour how how excited Dan is for for the bucks to get going as compared to those of us who pay attention to the NBA sometime after March Madness is all done since, you know, the NBA postseason now stretches into half of summer, it feels like.
But yeah, you got you got to start the season sometime.
And it's going to be starting here real soon.
And then, of course, like you mentioned, there's college football as well.
The Wisconsin Badgers head to Iowa.
They will play a late game on Saturday.
Pre-game coverage begins at four o'clock on several civic media stations.
What else have we got?
Oh, Dan, we talked about Dan.
I should plug his newsletter as well.
He has the Reconbobulation Area.
The Reconbobulation Area.News is where he's signed up.
And of course, he contributes to the aforementioned Civic Media Today newsletter that you can get over at Substack.
So do you have you altered your your plans for today so that, you know, when you've got the Brewers Cubs playing at four o'clock that you can clear the decks and pay attention to things?
it's funny.
I have never heard somebody in their early twenties talk so much about nap time until Parker got this early morning gig.
and talks about it that way.
But I'm glad you protect the napdom.
I like that.
You need to.
It's, believe me, Pat, I need to.
Oh, yeah.
No, I'm hoping to get a little downtime as well, because I am definitely getting into that travel, what do you call it, heartburn phase, where when you're traveling, and don't get me wrong, travel is great, but
At some point you realize, you're pretty much all the time eating out at some place.
Sure.
You know, yesterday when the show got done, my daughter's like, Oh, let's hear there's a great bagel shop.
So we got we got this great, you know, bagel sandwiches.
And then we're at the stockyards for lunch.
Well, you got to have barbecue.
So of course, there's a big old plate of brisket and ribs to work on.
And then later it was, you know, well, should make a little something here.
Now there's a really cool restaurant, you know, down the road.
Let's go try that out.
And
So of course, somewhere in the middle of the night that occurs to me, I haven't had just a simple basic home cooked meal in a while.
And today better be that day for it.
Because there's nothing else.
There's there's room for there's room for this cup of coffee around everything else.
And then that's that's going to do it.
And then a little bit of downtime for the brewers game.
That's
No, no.
And again, you know, travels great.
But at some point you go, Oh, these are not my pillows.
This is not my mattress.
And you you learn to appreciate it so much more when you get back to it.
And especially in a place like Texas, where again, it was 90 yesterday, you know, outside, you'd get into your car in the parking lot, and it would be 212 degrees, you know, oh my goodness, yes.
still still a little toasty down here.
But again, I will I will have all winter to think about this and and say, I appreciate seasons, even the winter ones, more so than you know, eternal heat, eternal heat is kind of overrated having lived on an island for for three years.
Yeah, there's a lot to be said for jeans and hoodies.
You know, right?
it.
Yeah.
So, so bring that on.
I'll be ready to go back to the hoodies.
And I think we've seen the last of the 80s, you know, or at least the upper 80s in Wisconsin.
So, you know,
it's it's fall, it's Packard time.
We just got to get the the brewers a little deeper into the postseason as well.
Well, coming up in a moment, as I said, we've got Attorney General Josh Call deciding not to run for governor, which kind of goofed up our question of the week in the newsletter.
But we'll we'll talk more about that and about the embarrassment of the US Attorney General on Capitol Hill yesterday.
Thanks for joining us here on the Civic Media Radio Network live from Dallas.
I'm Pat Krightlow.
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So as I mentioned, Josh Call has a lot of things to think about as State Attorney General.
I don't think he was thinking about messing up our question of the week, but he did.
I'm sure he didn't mean to, but by announcing yesterday that he is not going to run for governor.
And it kind of messed up our first way too early poll for governor for Wisconsin for 2026.
It was part of our Sunday morning newsletter.
Originally and creatively titled Sunday mornings with Pat Crite low, you can sign up for it up north news wi.com.
Click subscribe up in the banner at the top of our homepage.
And yeah, this past Sunday, we said, we hear the people who have said they're running for governor.
We're also going to throw in Attorney General Josh Kalk as he might run and we'll throw in former Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes.
because he might run yet and then everybody who has announced, what do you think?
And we did get some responses from people who said that Josh Call would be their first choice for governor.
They really like what he has done as attorney general, trying to keep the Trump administration accountable, you know, fighting for consumer protection and all of the things that a good state attorney general does.
Well, those folks aren't going to get to vote for Josh Call at this point.
Mandela Barnes has now said that he is seriously considering getting into the race for governor, but it is not official yet.
But we've also been receiving a lot of replies from people who like
all of the other candidates who are running.
Everybody from beer vendor Ryan Sternad to members of the legislature and non-politicians alike.
And so again, to be the first to see our question of the week on Sunday mornings, sign up for our newsletter over at UpNorthNewsWI.com.
So getting back to Josh Call's announcement yesterday that he's going to run instead for a third term as Attorney General.
He told Wisconsin Public Radio quote, this is such an important time for the role of attorneys general around the country.
I think it's a pivotal time for the country and I think some of our most basic rights are under threat.
WPR notes that Call has signed on to several
dozen multi-state lawsuits against the Trump administration.
Those have targeted different cuts to federal funds and grants, access to personal data, the firings of federal workers, Trump's attempt to block birthright citizenship, among other policies as well.
Now, speculation about Josh Call running for governor someday even predated Tony Evers decision not to seek a third term next year.
because Josh Call would have been on the Tony Evers track for governor, having won multiple statewide elections already.
But ultimately, Call decided to stay put and that leaves more than a half dozen other Democrats now seeking the governor's post.
And all of them, you know, good candidates in their own way for governor.
And then Josh Call hoping to continue the
good service that he has provided to the people of the state of Wisconsin.
And that's the difference between having an attorney general who's driven by mission to the rule of law and one who is instead just engaged in theater.
And that takes us to BamBondy, the corrupt Florida Attorney General turned to corrupt US Attorney General, turned a congressional inquiry about abuse at the Justice Department into the usual Trump-worthy responses worthy of the trash TV that this administration truly represents.
Bondy refused to answer questions and instead hurled juvenile insults, making clear she has
no business, being the top law enforcement official of the United States of America.
Her ongoing audition to please Donald Trump is just embarrassing and now borders on the criminally contempt.
Of course, there's something
Something Pam Bondi knows a thing or two about, and that is, you know, being borderline criminally contempt.
She first came on the scene 12 years ago when her Florida Attorney General's office declined to assist in the investigation of widespread fraud committed by Trump University.
It was then discovered that a political group supporting Bondi had received a $25,000 political contribution from the Trump Foundation.
One problem, foundations cannot make political contributions.
Eventually, Trump would shut down the fraudulent Trump Foundation and the fraudulent Trump University.
In return, he got a fraudulent lackey who would later serve as United States Attorney General, so yesterday's behavior was not really news.
On the release of files related to sexual predator and former Trump friend Jeffrey Epstein, despite saying earlier this year that the Epstein client list was sitting on her desk for review, Monty said yesterday she actually had yet to review the documents.
On the legal justification for a president to send military troops into the streets of American cities instead of protecting our country from outside enemies,
Bondi resorted to legal arguments best described as, I know you are, but what am I?
And then there's Trump's so-called border czar, Tom Holman, who was recorded last year accepting what appears to be a bribe of $50,000 in cash.
Not only has the investigation apparently been dropped, but when she was asked yesterday if taxpayers got the bribe money back from Holman, Bondi wouldn't say.
Again, acting more like a mouthpiece for her boss rather than the person most responsible for ensuring that there is equal treatment under the law.
Now, did any Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee take Bondi to task for choosing drama over substance and failure to answer these important questions about the politicization of the U.S.
Department of Justice?
Of course not.
They were joining in on some other weighty matters like
Hunter Biden and the 2020 election, you know, two of the issues at the heart of Donald Trump's two impeachments where Republicans chose politics over law and democracy.
I could go on and on, but the point is that in looking at Josh Call and Pam Bondi yesterday, we know what a good Attorney General looks like and we know what a stooge
looks like.
And expecting justice from the current US Department of Justice is just something that's not in the cards.
Coming up next today's history lesson, we'll start off with a little cool in the gang by cool himself.
That's coming up after the Midwest Farm Report.
I'm Pat right low.
This is the Civic Media radio network.
It feels like Yacht Rock kind of day, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can't play a little cool in the gang without going, who is cool from cool in the gang to which Robert Bell says, I'm cool.
Robert Cool Bell turns 75 years old today.
He said, I'm just me.
I'm just, it's me.
I mean, I don't know if he gave himself the name cool or somebody else did, but he's, he's cool and he's got a gang.
So cool gang.
Yeah, you know, and all, all of their many hits.
No.
Yeah.
Tell me.
Tell me more.
Oh, yeah, I did hear about that.
Yes.
Yes.
So that's why I didn't know why they were playing Yacht Rock for the Cubs, but it turns out he expressed a strong dislike for Yacht Rock.
of a
Yeah, so for those of you going, you know, Pat, you're so hard on Craig Council all the time.
I mean, he's a Milwaukee product.
He's a beloved son of the city.
And he did such great things for the Brewers.
Now you're mad because he went to play for the Cubs.
Yeah, now this.
Now this.
This is the last straw.
This is my line in the sand with the Yacht Rock.
So that's it, Craig Council.
We're done.
Wow.
OK, we are already done ahead of time.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
This is not a.
Happy day in history on this day in 1871 was the Great Chicago Fire.
It was also the Great Pestigo Fire.
It was also the great Michigan fire.
None of them all knew at the time that this was going on, but they had all ignited this day in 1871 exacerbated by months of drought, years of slash and burn force practices, and then a strong weather front that blew embers for miles and miles.
So a very
deadly, very serious day in all of those locations from Chicago up to Northeast Wisconsin up to the U.P.
This day in 1871.
Let's get a little closer to the present time.
Let's take you as far as 1982, where Culture Club released their debut album, Kissing to Be
Clever.
Kissing to be clever included their time clock of the heart and do you really want to hurt me and I'll tumble for you.
It was basically, you know, Boy George and Company unleashing a wave of acts from the UK that populated early MTV.
You had groups like Durand Durand, Tears for Fears, The Human League, Eurythmics and more.
You know, basically it's when
When our generation looked back at, say, the 70s with polyester leisure suits and the 60s with the miniskirts, and we thought, oh, well, we live in the normal time.
And now we look back at that time.
What the hell?
All the other bands of early MTV.
And we're like, now everybody becomes dated at this point.
big question is you you don't know at the time then you look back at you know whether it's we look back now at pages from the Sears catalog you know and we look at the the styles there and we just kind of wince and I don't I don't know what it'll be and the thing is it's not that that the style was was right or wrong
yeah
it's just that it changes and so you look back at something so different
yeah
and you think oh that's clearly dated well no it's just it's what was normal then you know it's okay
In the later in the decade of the 80s, you went from the British MTV groups, no, that were like overdressed.
You went to hair bands like Def Leppard and they had the number one song this day in 1988.
So, Def Leppard's Love Bites was one of the many hair band ballads.
that charted such as every rose as it's thorn by poison, white snakes what is this love.
There was always by Bon Jovi and of course the worst of them all, Sister Christian by Night Ranger.
But in each case they all of these bands learned that while it was fun to rock out it was also very lucrative to slow things down now and then.
And it's funny how many stories I've seen of bands that they started making money when they did these ballads and slow songs and love songs and the band members like, dude, we're here to rock out.
And then their manager would show them the royalty check for the slow stuff.
Yeah, OK, we can do that.
Uh-huh.
Oh.
On Facebook.
Oh, boy.
The comment section from Roger.
Oh, Roger writes.
Oh, that's did you hear boy George's pet lizard bit three people?
Authorities have warned him.
He needs a calmer chameleon.
I'm laughing because Parker has no idea why that's so funny.
So I will teach him the song karma chameleon in the break.
I promise.
Oh, but for those of us of a certain age, that was a good one there.
Roger.
Thank you very much.
On this day in 1948, John Cummings was born in Long Island, a founding member of the Ramones.
He became Johnny Ramone and passed away in 2004.
On this day in 1965, CJ Ramone, the bassist and occasional vocalist, was born Christopher Joseph Ward in Queens, New York City.
On this day in 1980, Talking Heads released their fourth album, Remain in Light, including this
hit.
Yes, that was 45 years ago that Talking Heads released, remained in flight.
On this day in 1956, the New York Yankees, Don Larson pitched the only perfect game in a World Series.
And, you know, just great video of catcher Yogi Berra jumping up into his arms at the end of the game.
And again, there's been one postseason no hitter since then, but no perfect game.
On this day in 1982, after its London premiere, cats opened on Broadway and ran for nearly 18 years before closing in September of 2000.
Is that anywhere in your, I mean, ever saw it or a group that performed it or anything like that?
Because I'm not, I've never seen cats.
Let's see.
More birthday.
Oh, several birthdays here today.
Let's start with Bruno Mars.
Happy birthday to Bruno.
He is 40 years old today.
What?
Well, that's how these things work.
You know, you're an overnight sensation at a ripe old age after you've been paying your dues for years and years.
But
yeah,
I mean, this song itself now is going back, what, almost 10 years, right?
Locked out of heaven.
I don't know how old this is.
We'll look into that.
Chevy Chase is 82 years old today.
Actor Sigourney Weaver is 76 today.
Actor Matt Damon is, oh, we don't have time for Matt Damon, I'm sorry.
No, he's, Jimmy Kimmel would tell you he's 55 years old today.
And here's another one of those that'll make you feel a little bit older.
Angus T. Jones.
Little Jake from Two and a Half Men is 32 years old today.
of the
Now
again, those songs totally clips of the heart and making love out of nothing at all.
Those are classic Jim Steinman songs.
The late Jimmy Steinman had had all these songs with massive length and production value.
And he did all of the, you know, the bat out of hell stuff from meatloaf, Paradise by the dashboard light.
He's got all kind, you know, if you saw the list of songs, it's just classic Jim Steinman.
It turns out that on this day in 1983,
When those two songs were number one and two on the chart, he became the first solo writer and producer to hold the top two spots in the Billboard Hot 100.
Now, out of sheer coincidence, Parker, last night, watching with my daughter, watching some TV, and she says, have you ever watched a show called Zillow Gone Wild?
And I said, no, I mean, I know Zillow, the app for real estate.
And I've heard of something called Zillagran, which I'm sure shows off some wacky houses.
And so she put it on.
And wouldn't you know, right there was the house that belonged to the late Jim Steinman that was up for sale.
And it clearly qualified for the show.
It's wacky.
It's unusual.
Yes.
A lot of interesting art.
designer clothing, all kinds of instruments around.
I believe one of the hallways, the walls weren't painted.
They were all leather, for example.
It was just, there were so many interesting art objects that were in there.
All for a mansion that was listed at $4 million.
And by the way, $4 million in this massive house with all these funky rooms.
two bedrooms.
The man did not want to entertain overnight guests.
You can come visit.
We can have a party here.
And now it's time for you to go home.
But that makes it a little tougher to sell.
You know, I mean, because somebody's going to have to create bedrooms out of some of these other more eclectic rooms.
Yeah,
I don't know.
He's been passed away for a couple of years now.
So I assume he was still living at it at the time.
just keep it that way.
The person the agent listing agent said, you know, we want it this way, because we want somebody to kind of protect a lot of what he put into it.
And I don't know if that's going to be the case.
I think somebody will pay top dollar for it and then pay top dollar for, you know, the wrecking crew to come in and make it their own, which they will they'll have an easier time doing that.
Then they will
the other house that they featured in this episode, the old shoe.
Yes, it was a house built in the shape of a big old shoe, like, you know, like the little miss
name?
A little, they're once an old woman who lived in a shoe.
So many children, she didn't know what to do.
So more like a boot.
Okay, sure.
Yeah.
And so it's a big white, like boot.
for a house that you could live in.
Somebody builds this for themselves.
This whole show is people who build these things for themselves.
And then somebody at some point goes, you know, you're going to have to sell this.
I hope somebody wants this thing.
Yeah, but
That's just it.
It won't be my problem then.
You just go with what you enjoy.
And that's how, you know, your Zillow gone wild and your HDTV and all these things.
I'm sure they have to pay a little bit for the rights to tell the story, which is fine because they may not be getting income from any other source anytime soon.
They got to pay the property taxes and everything else while they hope somebody comes along and wants a house shaped like a shoe.
So good luck to good luck.
Good luck to those folks.
When we come back, we're going to talk a bit about some of the top stories that we're following at Up North News.
And in our next hour, we will be talking about ongoing threats to public schools through the burgeoning, so we say, voucher program that is approaching a $1 billion price tag here in Wisconsin.
I'm Pat Crichton.
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Dr friendly show over here.
You got a host Mary do a doctor.
You've got Dr Kristen Lairley who visits on Mondays and Fridays.
And we've got a new video series on the upper new social media feeds called raising Wisconsin with pediatrician Dr Kelly Snooks and you can catch that on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok in her most recent episode she
breaks down bug bites, the different types and treatments so that you can keep the, keep the itching away and look at what signs to watch for for anything that might be troublesome.
Again, the Raising Wisconsin video series from Dr. Kelly Snooks.
Look for that on Upperman News social media sites.
Parker also has the National Day Calendar for us today so that we know what we're
what we're celebrating.
And then we'll talk about some of the big stories that up North News over the past few days.
So where are we starting?
Who are we honoring today?
Excellent.
Yes.
I mean, cannot possibly thank anybody enough who works in an emergency department.
So thank you for all you do.
You are truly a hero to us.
What else do we have?
Well, Pat, it's National Heroes Day.
Well, look at it.
You're just making up stuff now.
So now National Heroes Day.
National Heroes Day.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, like people who dress up as like Marvel characters or my
are heroes.
People I would say
Okay.
So this is like the this is like the Bette Middler Song Day.
You get to sing to somebody.
Did you ever know that you're my hero?
Sure.
Sure, you can, you can do that.
Or maybe somebody will think that's, that's like bullying, borderline bullying, if you do that.
What else you got today?
Pat, it's National Stop Bullying Day.
Shut up under the odds of this.
This is crazy.
It's almost like we know.
Yeah, man.
Oh man.
So today is stop bullying day.
So if any other day you see bullying going on, you just let it happen, man.
You just let it go.
But yeah, today, this day in particular is the day and you go you will not take Timmy's lunch money today.
This because the calendar says so.
Yeah.
And then you end up giving the bully your lunch money instead.
But so do you think do you think
has to bully?
Where's national bullying?
Yeah, equal time, guys.
Come on.
I mean, that's that's like the whole premise of the purge, right?
You can have one day for just doing these terrible things.
We're gonna have a bullying day.
So all right, one more at it.
That's one of those old tiny jobs that I can relate to.
What do we
is I newspaper carrier day otherwise known back in the day as a paper boy.
Yeah, that's really you know, you had the news boys and the paper boys and all of that and eventually, you know, we
kind of open things up.
But yes, back in the day, I was a paper boy.
I was a newspaper carrier.
I was living on the east side of St.
Paul and delivering two newspapers because back then, there weren't just newspapers, there were sometimes two newspapers a day.
Oh, the morning morning.
Yeah, was the St.
Paul Pioneer Press and then after school, you'd get another stack of newspapers to deliver the evening St.
Paul dispatch.
And then later they were combined into the St.
Paul Dispatch and Pioneer Press and eventually just Pioneer Press.
Let's see that, you know, we talk all the time about the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
And for the longest time, you know, the Milwaukee Sentinel, that was Wisconsin's morning newspaper.
Everybody had that, you know, they had the green sheet and everything else.
And then the Milwaukee Journal was its own separate thing.
And then eventually that got combined.
And so, yeah, we
We carried a lot of newspapers and I worked in, I lived in a large apartment complex.
And so it was, it was enough to have to get up at 5am to deliver, go up to the corner, get the newspapers and deliver them all around before school and after school.
And then their Sunday mornings.
Oh, those ones are big, aren't they?
Oh my goodness.
And again, it's just so funny that you went from these massive newspapers, these very thick things to like, newspapers are now like,
gone.
And on Sundays, I mean, that was
it you know you counted on that for all the what was on sale and what was happening where and when and it's just not the case anymore but we would get these these things that we just had to lug you know down you had to get a wagon and load them up and yeah you had to put them together because there'd be the the new sections that were in black and white and then all the ad sections that were in color but they printed them separately so you had to put the one inside the other oh I didn't know that oh yeah
And then best of all, for all these these kids, these literal kids, yeah, doing all this, they were also the bill collectors.
And so whatever it was once a month, I think it was once a quarter, maybe he had to go around all these places instead, just leaving the newspaper, he had to knock on the door, and you know, say, hey, I'm collecting it's it's $5 and 50 cents this week for the month, maybe like, well, you you missed three times this week.
And so I'm going to deduct that when
you didn't miss it.
You didn't miss anything.
Maybe
somebody, maybe there was the original porch pirate came and took your newspaper, but they penalized you or they said, Oh, come back next week, I'll pay you then.
And, you know, they never did.
And you're, you're a 12 year old bill collector, trying to make the case that they want to take your $5 and 50 cents, you
Hey, it was a big deal for me to make enough money that I could buy my mom a Mother's Day present.
And of course, you know, being a 12 year old boy, I got her a toaster because he could because our toaster had broken.
So I wanted to have a good toaster.
Happy Mother's Day.
Mom, here's here's a toaster for you.
So how are you?
And you don't have anything equivalent of that today in terms of, you know, child labor, shall we?
It does for me too.
Because again, maybe we didn't need the 12 year olds to be bill collectors, but we also there's always room to do something rather than just sit and look at screens all day.
Yeah.
So maybe we should put this up to the listeners.
What what are the good relevant
kid labor jobs of today.
And I don't mean child labor like exploitive, you know, but what is something good that maybe more kids should be doing is like a first job or something like that.
Yes, there's definitely some of that where they come to your door with the calendars and things like that.
I totally get that.
So what else is out there and what else would make for a good first job for kids these days?
So much more in the next hour here.
I'm Pat Critello from Up North News.
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