The Not-Doctors Are Giving Us a Headache (Hour 3)

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But yes, get it as a podcast.

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Oh, and Pat, this weekend is a wow show.

I just listened to it.

And when we taped it, I was thinking to myself, I just feel like I, this is a monumentous conversation.

It is.

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Because again, nothing's going to change until more people can put themselves in other people's shoes without having to be in those shoes themselves and demand that some action finally take place.

So yes, by all means, give a listen this weekend.

We do have some nice weekend plans to talk about, but I feel like we're going to reward ourselves at the end with that stuff because there's just, there's too much.

Well.

serious or depending on your frame of mind, stupid stuff to talk about

in the news.

I promise Parker, I wouldn't swear.

I know you got it out of your system during the break and I appreciate that.

Me too.

But it is, the way it frame it is this, there has been a lot of pushback.

There really has been more so than maybe we might expect over these baseless claims and bogus advisories that are coming from Trump and Robert Kennedy Jr.

about Tylenol use for pregnant women.

But the question is, has that blowback

been nearly enough or have the non-doctors in the White House sown medical misinformation that is going to take a long, long time for doctors like Dr. Liarley to debunk.

So, Kristen, to what degree are you encouraged by some of the public blowback, but you know, how much harder is this making your job for maybe the foreseeable future?

Hey, I don't care how hard my job is.

I want my patients to get health care.

And it is making it so hard for people to know what they're supposed to do.

And for these families who are living with folks who have autism, and they are looking for answers, we all want answers.

So for the president of the United States, who can't even pronounce the word acetaminophen, to come out and tell people to tough it out.

It's not about toughing it out.

It's about treating medical conditions.

headaches, fevers, other things that can affect your pregnancy in a profound and long-standing way.

There is a reason people take medication in pregnancy, not just Tylenol, but lots of other things.

Listen to your doctor.

Let us talk you through it so that you can make really good decisions for your own individualized health.

Do not get your medical advice from a politician, especially one who can't pronounce the name of an everyday medication that he has in his medicine cabinet.

Oh,

like he's ever gone into his own medicine cabinet, you know, have the butler bring whatever it is that he needs.

And I just feel like this has been in attacking the misinformation.

I feel like we haven't properly captured this as quite literally an attack on families with autistic children and quite literally an attack on pregnant women.

I mean, these two groups have been just thrown for a loop because of this.

And yes, thank goodness there's doctors like you and my wife and others to be there.

But what would ever make them think, well, if we just single out these two groups and make them frightened, that will.

be better for us in the long run.

Well, you have two funny assumptions there that they're thinking and also that they care about women because they don't.

This is just the latest attack.

on women, on trying to control our bodies.

I mean, let's be very clear here.

They want women to have more babies.

They don't want us to have birth control.

They don't want us to get abortions.

But they also don't want us to get care.

They don't want us to take medications.

They want us to be in pain.

And when we deliver, they don't want us to have hospitals to be able to go to because they're defunding all of our rural hospitals and making it very challenging for us even to get care.

Pat, at what point are we as a society going to stand up and say, hey, wait a minute,

Something's wrong here.

I think we are reaching that point.

I would think so.

It appears that way in the polling, but again, there's a lot that can happen between now and November of next year with the midterms.

But in the near term, you have for all of the things that we talked about in Trump's big bloated boondoggle that

that did pass, and is now the law.

We've talked a lot about all the healthcare cuts, but now we're learning because there was so much in there, because people didn't read the bill, because it was massive, but that Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood is in jeopardy to the point where Planned Parenthood could lose out on providing its non-abortion care services at its many clinics unless they

halt or at least pause their abortion services.

And so that's what they're doing.

Again, it's kind of a de facto ban.

Here we go again, Kristen.

This is Donald Trump's backdoor abortion ban because he knows that he can't do it through the front door.

When the American people were presented with the potential for an abortion ban, the American people pushed back.

So now they have to do it in all of these tricky little backdoor ways.

Defunding Planned Parenthood, which means depriving Planned Parenthood of Medicaid funds because they provide abortion care, is one of those ways.

Planned Parenthood, the bulk of what they do is not abortion care.

The vast majority of what they do is preventive care, STI testing, birth control, cancer screening, routine care that people otherwise wouldn't be getting.

Because all of us don't get insurance through our employers.

There are many, many people, especially young people, who get their

healthcare through Planned Parenthood.

So this is the Trump administration's way of trying to defund Planned Parenthood entirely.

But in Wisconsin, we're pausing.

The Planned Parenthood clinics that offer abortion care are pausing.

And it is my understanding that all of those other services are still going to be there.

Those clinics are going to stay open because they know that you need them, that your short and long-term health depends on them staying open for you.

And that's just the federal government.

Meanwhile, at the state government level, again, lacking an abortion ban, you have the attempts to micromanage health care and a new bill introduced by Republicans that they say will clarify that even if there is an abortion ban, there are still things that can be done.

They say they're addressing those other pesky things.

And so the new proposal would exempt medical procedures designed or intended to prevent the death of a pregnant woman and not designed or intended to

kill the unborn child, including emergency C-section, the removal of a dead embryo or dead fetus and procedures to remove a miscarriage or an ectopic or molar pregnancy.

But why even micromanage all that care in the first place when you could just allow women to have and doctors to have the full range of care options?

If the authors of that bill want to practice medicine, they should go to medical school.

Otherwise, they should leave it up to the people who know what they're doing.

And doing this micromanaging, spelling out which procedures are possible and which should not be allowed just puts another barrier in between my patient and her ability to get the care that she needs.

It makes me so profoundly angry because all they have is a political agenda.

All they want is control and power over people of reproductive age.

I cannot wait until the midterms because the conversations that I'm having with my friends, they are starting to recognize, even in a place like Green Bay, which is kind of traditionally pretty red, they're starting to recognize what this means for them, for their health, for their families, for their communities.

There are economic impacts and social impacts when you really start to look at what this means for all of us.

The midterms are going to be very telling, Pat.

Uh, yes.

And again, they're, they're getting started already with multiple candidates for governor, for Congress and some districts for legislature.

So there is a lot of work that we've got to get done.

However, we get to take a break now and then.

And our, our, our favorite mascot, our favorite rodent, our favorite gopher is, is going to be busy this weekend.

Uh, gopher football for our little Minnesota alum, alum, alum, alumnus, alumnae.

Whatever you are graduate alumni.

There you go.

Thank you flight water guy would know

well,

you know

Newspaper and very ap style all that crap.

Okay.

Okay.

So

anyway, but before that I get to go to Minneapolis and I get to

give hugs and support to our friends at Planned Parenthood in Minneapolis who are picking up a lot of the slack, the people who are driving across the border to get the care that they need because they can't get it here in Wisconsin.

So that's going to be great.

These are people also, importantly, who are

survivors of political violence.

These people were on that list.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago when that crazy person killed Senator Melissa Hortman and her husband and her dog and attacked other politicians.

These people were on that list.

So to be able to spend a little time with them before I go to the football game, it's gonna be just amazing.

Well, and it's important to show that kind of support because again, this has been

actual deadly political violence and they're again given everything that's happened in the wake after the Charlie Kirk murder when you uh you know see what Derek Van Orden is is saying and and doing frankly I mean we talked at the beginning of the program about the teacher in Ellsworth who uh you know emailed back and forth with her yesterday and it appears that you know they've worked out some kind of a resolution in that she won't be teaching for the district anymore she

can't give details on it.

But I mean, a 30 year career ended because a congressman wants to limit her freedom of speech on social media.

These are now that in itself is not political violence.

It's professional violence, basically.

And this is what we have to live with in this in this era, sadly.

He is a peach.

Also, Tony Weed, these people who are saying that they are victims of political violence, yes, they are in the public eye and I get it.

Like we feel threatened, but.

When it comes to actual things that are happening, they're total failure to recognize what's happening on the other side and then call it out and pretend that they are victims.

I mean, they are snowflakes.

Buck up.

Put aside all of the political divisions and actually support each other regardless of who you voted for or what party you stand with.

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Oh, good.

Not too far away from you down in Manitowoc County.

The Manitowoc County Republicans had their picnic last night and their guest speaker didn't show.

And according to a story by WBAYTV, when the organizers called out to Bill Barion's campaign and said, where's the candidate for governor who's going to be our keynote speaker?

They were told he's had a difficult week and will not be appearing.

It might have something to do with the journal Sentinel article about his expansive internet footprint and the Trans porn star that called him out on it and said, there's nothing wrong with following Trans porn stars.

There's nothing wrong with liking a lot of things and being curious.

What's wrong is doing those things and then coming out in favor of suppressing the rights of LGBTQ people.

I mean, it is the living hypocrisy of certain family values, politicians, and Kristen, I don't know him.

I don't wish him ill, but I'm here for it because I believe in his freedom to surf wherever he wants.

Just don't be a hypocrite when you run for office.

Ding ding ding ding ding ding I didn't just suppress the rights of folks in that group.

Those people are afraid.

I have friends who are in the trans community and they are literally afraid to be in public because they have been so demonized.

So when people like Bill Barian step up and say

things that turn others against these members of our society who deserve to be embraced and included.

It creates a huge problem.

It creates division.

It's just bad, especially when, in secret, he seems to very much support these people.

And Pat, you said a big word, hypocrisy.

Let's just unpack that a little bit.

That's when people say one thing and do a different thing.

I remember a time when people valued truth and wanted to believe what they heard and wanted to trust people.

And I don't think that people have changed that much.

I just think people have been hoodwinked by the successful marketing campaign of Donald Trump.

He is a brilliant marketer.

He can sell anybody anything.

And that's been the template for Republicans in recent times.

But it's not working as well as it did before.

I believe that if we continue to call people on their hypocrisy, call people like Bill Barion, who says one thing and does another, that's going to work.

That's going to break through because at our core, we still are Wisconsinites.

We're still nice people.

We're still neighbors.

And as I've stated before, we're not.

perfect people.

So I want to come to the front end of all this, to Bill Barry and surfing, because I know that you have patients come in and express either concerns or curiosities or whatever the case may be.

And I mean, frankly, I think it carries over into the suspect in the Charlie Kirk killing who grew up in a very conservative family.

And people want to blame, you know, a trans roommate.

I think it's more a case of the shame that we make people feel.

for being curious rather than saying, look, read, research, experience, whatever, you should have the freedom to do that.

Just don't hurt anybody along the way and don't be a hypocrite because of it.

Oh, for sure.

I don't care who you voted for.

If you come to see me with a problem,

I want to hear your problem and I want to hear the whole thing unfiltered.

It is so hard to get to that point when you're having a visit because you first as a patient have to figure out if you can actually trust your doctor and the person who is listening to you.

It shouldn't be that way.

You know, like we all deserve to be heard.

We all deserve to have good solid information because we are making decisions about our health and the health of our families and our communities based on.

that interaction.

So let's be honest with each other.

Let's tell the truth.

Let's support each other instead of saying one thing and doing another.

Yeah, exactly.

getting back to how we escape from all of this.

And it turns out we're doing something similar this weekend in hanging out with people from college.

You know, I'm

spending nights with a buddy here while his wife's away and my wife is on call and doing a brewer's game and telling stories.

And you know, you were saying during the break, just how much you're looking forward to getting back together with the drumline marching band people there, the lifelong associations that

I mean, is there anything like a friendship where you haven't spoken in maybe a year and yet the moment you get together, it's like you're picking up right where you left off.

It's the best.

I thought I was way too cool when I went to college to join the marching band.

But when I did, oh, these people, they're just so good and there for you.

And you know, it could be longer than a year.

I mean, I stay in touch with my high school friends too.

Those are the people who make your life rich.

And yeah, they're the reason, aren't they?

They are.

And a lot of times it will...

it will, what's the word I'm looking for, you know, go beyond like politics and things that are in the news.

Although there are those frustrating moments.

I saw another acquaintance recently who I hadn't seen for a long time and I knew was mostly a Republican voter.

And of course, this white guy says to me, I just, you know, Trump is just so frustrating.

And if

If Joel Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, were on that ticket, I mean, I would have voted for it, but I just couldn't vote for Kamala Harris.

And I

was either too good of a friend or just too cowardly to just look and go, really, really?

Tell me again, you would have voted for the Democrat, the white guy, but you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Kamala Harris.

Why is that?

Tell me why.

Yeah, let's explore that.

Why?

Yeah.

And of course you can't because there's a lot going on and you're kind of getting, and that's where you walk away and just go, I clearly need to keep doing my job because there are more people to reach and there's more hypocrisy

to point out.

We have to keep having these conversations and we have to keep doing it in all the different ways and we have to invite others and stay open and yes, all of those things.

Hey, safe travels, have lots of fun.

We'll talk to you Monday morning.

Thanks, go gophers.

Oh, well, this this time for you.

Yes, exactly.

All right, Mike Clemens has sports coming up a busy weekend.

We'll tell you all about it after this.

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All right, let's start with sports here.

Just a quick note on Badger volleyball.

The women's team ranked seventh in the country.

There's seven and one on the season.

They opened the Big Ten season tonight at the UW Field House against Rutgers coming up at seven o'clock.

And then, you know, we've got football to talk about in a bit, but we're going to start with the Brewers who are into the last season or the last

regular season weekend series.

Easy for me to say.

And here's Mike Clemens who's joining us now to talk more about that.

Mike, how are you?

Good, Pat.

Yeah, Brewers tonight in the Cincinnati Reds.

Reds trying to claw their way in.

Brewers with the best record in baseball at 96 wins.

So they've tied the franchise record.

If the Brewers win one game this weekend, it's the final, as you say, it's the end of the regular season, then they clinch home field advantage.

So

Let's say they've been winning one game this weekend, or if the Phillies lose one this weekend as they host the Minnesota Twins, that gets the Brewers nut to 97 wins.

They'll have next week off, they'll watch what happens with the Wild Card Playoffs, and then beginning October 4th, they will host at home when they get going into the divisional rounds.

So that's a great time for...

some of these pictures they've got like their closer trevor mcgill with the sore elbow uh... time to rest up and maybe we'll get back on the mount and help out on the other hand at the long time off when it comes to baseball right now a little rusty

but uh... waiting to see who comes on it by the way if you are in anywhere in the milwaukee area you want to be sure to turn the car around and i'm not american family field or they're handing out free pocket pancakes this morning did you see that

yes we actually had that on on the text line didn't we park we did jim and brook you'll let

me

know where

it's not like a big day you know i think we're about six weeks ago pat murphy you know

character of a manager they've got he's in the middle of a net live network interview and he but he whips at this pancake out of his pocket and the woman says you know what what is that as it's my pocket pancake little car pick me up during these games you know about the seventh inning or so might be a little pick me up and you know it wouldn't viral it's just typical him so of course they have a version you know sort of cashing out at their head out free pocket pancakes and i'm reading here

The first 3,000 fans to show up, they get the pocket pancake t-shirt from the Brewers.

They have a convenient drive-through or the pocket pancake tent where they have a polka band playing.

Oh my gosh.

And Murph, who's got a game tonight, he's supposed to be down there in person, siding out of grass.

Oh boy.

Hang out with the fans.

So yeah, they're having fun with that this morning in Milwaukee.

Well, let me say then, the fact that the magic number is one,

I actually like that they have something to play for this weekend for this reason Cincinnati

is still very much in the thick of things looking for a wild card spot.

And

meanwhile, the Phillies are playing the twins who have absolutely cratered.

So there's not a lot of confidence that the twins can even win one of those games.

And so if the Brewers want that number one seed, they cannot just say, you know, throw up their hands and go, ah, we got this.

They're going to have to actually play a driven Cincinnati team hard throughout this series to get that.

at least one win.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And you know, the Reds have played hard.

They lost their last game by a run or so.

But no, it should be some good baseball games this weekend to keep the Brewers sharp before they have their bye next.

That's right.

And so you can hear the Brewers and the Reds coverage begins at 6.35 this evening on several civic media radio stations.

Head over to civicmedia.us to learn more.

One thing before we get off of baseball, and again, I don't know the particulars of it and whether you do or not, it's just the whole notion of

the collapse of the Detroit Tigers.

When something historic is happening, whether it's, you know, Shohei Otani or, you know, Mike or Aaron Judge, or, you know, this thing with Detroit being up like 15 games in the division at one point, this is, people in Detroit got to be just ripping their hair out.

Yeah.

Well, it's, it's, I believe it's the worst at baseball history for the month of September.

Yes.

Yeah.

They were 10 up in the, at the start of the month and just absolutely collapsed.

And I don't know how you do that.

I don't know the particulars if it was injuries or, or what it was.

But I mean, for all the good things about that, I'm not taking anything away from the brewers.

I'm just saying when they look back at this season, they'll look at the brewers winning streak, but they're also going to say.

Can you believe those tigers?

Well, yeah.

And I was just in Cleveland last week in cover of the Packers game, but that's what everybody was.

I mean, they could not believe that the Guardians had this opportunity and they have now.

They've been coming into this morning.

They're now tied with the Tigers over there in the central division on the American League.

Yeah.

And it just.

Unbelievable collapse for the folks in Detroit.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what Tony puts on YouTube But he says being a Cleveland fan like he is Cleveland has also, you know surged having won something like 14 of the last 15 or something like that So, you know, so there's a lot of stake for some of these teams and so that's

getting hot at the right time, right?

Yeah, exactly Boy, there's something the Badgers would like to do at the Badger football team would love to get hot at any point after after losing at home last weekend to Maryland 27 to 10 but you know

despite the chance of fire fickle, I don't know if anything is really going to be changing there.

We're, I feel like we're kind of locked into what we got right now.

What do you think, Mike?

Yeah, you know, the, so the Wisconsin Badgers football team, they win their first two non-conference games as they should have.

They lost at Alabama.

Okay.

No surprise there.

But the overall picture is like, and even though they're having to do this with a backup quarterback, because their starter got hurt week one.

What is the identity of the team?

I mean, what are they supposed to be?

Yeah after 30 years of you know strong defenses great running game Where where is this there?

Where's this offense going in particular?

And so last week they're heavily favored to beat Maryland It's their first game on their big 10 schedule and they get I mean the score was 27 to 10 but it looked a lot worse than that To the point where you're at home at Camp Randall on a beautiful beautiful day

And they didn't have 100% turnout from the fans to begin with.

By the fourth quarter, the place was over half empty.

And the people who chose to stay are chanting Fire Luke Fickle.

I mean, it's bad.

It's a bad-looking product.

The next day, the athletic director, Chris McIntosh, is spotted at a Badgers volleyball game up there in a suite talking to Mike McCarthy, who made the drive down from Green Bay.

And you gotta imagine that Chris is saying to Mike,

Did you see the game?

What do I do?

Where do I go from here?

I mean, it's not good.

It's not good.

On the other hand, you can say, well, it's not good for any of these college football coaches right now.

The sport is in such transition with NIL, with paying players.

There's got to be maybe some of these other teams that have much more deeper topics, but the pockets.

There was a report in the Wisconsin State Journal that said, no, Wisconsin is actually one of the top ranked teams in terms of what their financial resources are in bringing in players.

They're supposed to have a pretty good roster.

I guess you give them credit for recruiting.

And it doesn't get any easier because they've got a buy weekend, and then next week they've got to go to Ann Arbor and play number 19th ranked Michigan.

and on and on and on.

I mean, it could be a month before they get a win.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, you've got Michigan next week.

That's followed by Iowa.

That's followed the next week by number one ranked Ohio State.

That's followed by number six, Oregon.

So this is going to be a rough patch.

And yet, Mike, what I've been led to understand is between his original contract and now the extension, how did one person put it?

The UW.

ain't got enough money to buy Luke thick allowed even if they wanted to because it's a very expensive contract.

Yeah.

So that's the challenge.

And you know, and, and, you know, as one guy I was talking to who covers the badgers says, you know, he says, and this.

This was Chris McIntosh is higher.

It's like, I don't know if he's got another coach before they might consider replacing him.

So tough times for the Badgers in Madison right now.

Yep.

So the Packers, meanwhile, they had to AT&T Stadium for Sunday night football.

I assume you'll be heading down to Dallas before much longer.

And can can they get down there and put that collapse to the Browns?

behind them in time for for playing the Cowboys.

Can they get up for that after such a such a fail at the end of the game?

Yeah, they should.

Yeah, we leave tomorrow for Dallas.

You know, here's the situation.

I'm covering that Browns game and I'm seeing the Packers defense look great again.

You're seeing the Browns defense, you know, led by Miles Garrett, their defensive end, great pass rusher, getting pressure on Jordan Love.

And if it wasn't him, those Collins or Malik Collins or some of their other guys.

from that browns defensive front very strong team uh...

but

uh... for the packers first of all zack tom tried to come back out with this very sore uh... quad miles uh... and and the like in the first drive he's like oh god i can't i can't do this so you gotta replace him and then erin banks leaves uh... that the left guard by you know the midway through the first half they had three different guys

on the offensive line.

That led to five false start penalties, jumping off sides.

I found out yesterday, talking to Tucker Kraft, part of the reason for the false starts was they were screwing up what they call their silent cadence, because it was pretty loud, you know, in that ballpark.

So that was going on.

And then, you know, next thing you know, you hang around, you know, you only go up to 10 to three or so, and you throw an interception.

Your attempted field goal gets blocked, and you end up losing to the Browns.

And the folks in Cleveland are celebrating.

They had won a game since last November, Pat.

So it was like they'd won a championship.

So yesterday at practice, three of those offensive linemen still were not on the practice field coming back from injury.

And you go up against Kenny Clark and those guys, and Dak Prescott.

So it should be a pretty good game.

And of course, it's Micah Parsons.

Who by the way, you know who the leading quarterback sack guys in the NFL right now who?

Rashawn Gary.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, the Packers Rashawn Gary So you see Michael Parsons has opened up the doors for his teammates to get to the quarterback just because of his presence I mean he's a man

When you see this guy with that number one jersey from, you know, the press box, it looks almost like a dorsal fit the way we use in and out and gets home like that.

So this should be a heck of a game on Sunday night football on NBC.

Yeah.

I mean, Roshan Gary was the one who, he was so happy with hearing Mike Parsons was coming because he said, basically other teams have to go pick your poison.

You're going to get one or the other if you're not getting both.

And I see a headline in the Journal Sentinel about Kenny Clark and no hard feelings.

He understands how the business works, and he's also going to try to kill the Packers now while he's coming.

So

I mean, Dak Prescott and Jordan Love, they're nothing to shake a stick at, but there's going to be a lot of watching these defensive stars at the game as well.

No, for nine years we watched Kenny Clark drawing double teams, and this weekend it could be, you know, backup offensive line that had to go against Kenny in this game on Monday night.

Oh boy.

Oh boy.

Yeah, that offensive line thing.

That really concerns me.

Last thing I'll leave you with then, because again, I don't mean to keep reliving the Cleveland loss.

However, the Jordan Love throw that was intercepted, bad play calling, bad throw, bad offensive line.

Is it too simplistic for me to say, just run the ball?

That's what they should have done in that down and distance, although I'll tell you what, I've watched that thing.

I mean, the safety made a heck of a play.

You know, and you got Jim Schwartz over there, the defensive coordinator from the Browns.

And so they did a three-in-one.

They got three guys on the left-hand side, three receivers, one on the other.

And so, you know, you're watching Tucker Kraft come out.

He's lined up outside the left tackle.

He runs a little slant.

And then Don Tavion Wicks is in the middle.

He runs a slant.

And that safety faked like he was going to cover Tucker Kraft.

And as soon as the ball came out,

He went back to cover Wix, so he baited Love and ended up getting the pick and game changing and pretty good play by the Brown

safety.

It was.

And let's take nothing away from that.

Mike Clements, thank you.

Safe travels.

Have a great weekend.

Thank you, Pat.

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bathed, bathed in a, in a blue light and all the other things that, that Todd, all that, but this

is Todd, all was doing, by the way.

This is, you know, Luke offered to do it.

Todd actually executed it.

I mean, there are sandbags, there's warning tape all around here, all these cords for all these lights he's got plugged in.

Just to have, just to have a backdrop instead of it being a white wall is a monitor.

With you know the wrong show logo in it, but it's it's got a logo

You know it's on brand

and I noticed that next to that is the the the window out to the bullpen Yeah, where all the cubicles are yep, and we left the shutters open where I'm expecting John and Gordy or Alba or Mathers at some point to stand at the window and

do dumb things

Pat, I hate to break it to you.

You're getting up there a little bit.

You don't quite pitch a full game anymore.

You're not pitching complete games sometimes.

I didn't mean

that kind of a bullpen.

There's nobody coming in here.

There's no relief pitchers coming in.

We take this all the way through, absolutely.

But this has been fun.

It's been good coming down here and being able to connect with everybody.

With a heavy heart.

I really like it.

Yeah.

I'm a fan.

And get to do fun things like the Brewer game that's coming up tomorrow, I hope.

Yeah, I was going to say I'll see

you

there.

Maybe I'll run

into you.

Still working on the ticket end of it.

The other thing about coming to Madison, especially, you know, being a former legislator or somebody who's run for office previously is, you know, you.

You just can't help but see people.

And that's

exactly what was happening yesterday.

I was doing meeting people over coffee or over lunch or whatever.

And I'd finished what I thought was the last one.

And I'm heading back to one of the parking ramps here.

I walk out onto one of the small side streets.

And who do I see dining together on the sidewalk, but State Representative Christian Phelps and Heather Dubois-Bornon from the Wisconsin Public Education Network.

And Christian is on the Assembly Education Committee.

So we had a wonderful chat, um,

just crashing their

dinner, crashing.

Yep.

And getting, and getting some great guest ideas.

And so yeah, there's, there's work that gets done.

at these things.

It's not just all coffee and donuts.

It's all about networking.

There's a lot of networking that goes on here.

That is very much the case.

So before we go, we have the history lesson and when time allows, we look at the national day calendar or some of the entertainment stories.

We mentioned National Pancake Day.

Were there any other national days that we missed for today?

Oh, Better Breakfast Day.

because this is build a better breakfast month.

So today was supposed to be better breakfast day.

I

failed at that.

I did too.

I just had

my food

snacks.

Yep.

We've got the world's biggest coffee mornings, world's biggest coffee.

It has to do with like a cancer fundraiser or something.

I think I gave it a little.

I thought it was like world's best coffee, you know, kind of like that scene in Elf, you know, when... I don't remember that.

Will Ferrell, you know, sees the world's greatest coffee in the window and he sticks his head in there and goes, congratulations, you did it!

Yes, I

do remember

that now.

And it's Lumberjack Day for whatever reason.

So give Sean Duffy a hug, I guess, if you see him today.

From an entertainment standpoint, what do we got going on here?

What have we got going on?

Well, the ratings are officially in from Jimmy Kimmel's first live

show.

Oh, yeah.

What a failure he is.

I'm sure the president called him a failure.

And what did the president end up doing to Jimmy Kimmel's audience?

Well, his ratings are so awful.

He only had 6.3 million viewers in this one.

That is a 343% increase.

That's good, right?

That's good.

I mean...

I mean, Donald Trump should want that for his own, you know, personal wealth or radiance for the apprentice or anything like that.

Oh, by the way, speaking of the apprentice, let me do this.

Oh, I know.

Among the conversations I was having yesterday with people, some political people in Madison.

And we said, how odd it was that Tom Tiffany did not get Donald Trump's endorsement right away.

And this person had the best response said, he does not care about Tom Tiffany.

I mean,

Tom Tiffany, how many times has Trump, you know, just cut somebody loose, who is so loyal, but whenever it's expedient to him?

And this person pointed out, what does Trump like?

Trump likes the show.

He likes the game.

He likes kissing up.

In other words, he likes the apprentice.

And so,

If he doesn't endorse Tiffany right away, then Josh Shulman stays in there, the Washington County executive.

I'm sorry, Bill Berry, and you've already been voted off the island.

But Josh Shulman has every reason now to keep thinking he might get Trump's endorsement.

And so much like an episode of The Apprentice, Trump is basically playing these two off each other, Tiffany and Shulman.

as far as who can kiss up the most, who can compliment him the most, and he just kind of keeps that endorsement dangling out there, which frankly could really weaken Tom Tiffany.

It's not wrong to describe him as the presumptive nominee simply because of his name ID, but if he doesn't get Trump's endorsement and Josh Schoeman's out there conceivably getting it, that can only hurt Tiffany in the long run.

So the smart thing to do

would be to endorse Tiffany right away and not worry about a device of primary, but then you wouldn't have the apprentice.

And so that's what Trump's got going right now is an episode of the apprentice.

Well, the apprentice is not anymore.

The office is not anymore, but there's a spinoff of the office that's on, right?

Yeah, the paper, which apparently, according to our very own Pete Schwabba, who has seen the pilot episode of the show, his advice for the show.

is to just bring back the office actors.

Cause apparently there's

like a, an office cast guest appearance, like somebody from the show comes on.

They

might be a writer.

And

he's like, how about you just bring the entire cast back and call it the

office?

Yeah.

So my,

I guess it was that bad.

I don't

know.

The translation to me is just don't do spinoffs and reboots.

Just.

Just leave it as

it was.

If you want to be inspired by something, yes, but if it's so blatant that you're just going to the same well over and over again, then yeah, maybe not do that, but.

You know, shows have started off very slow and then caught on later.

So maybe that happens.

Maybe that happens when you make a sitcom about a newspaper because newspapers are doing so well these days.

So we'll see.

Have a fun weekend.

Have fun at the Brewer's Game.

Maybe we'll see each other.

I hope so.

I hope so.

Well, we'll see how that all pans out.

Thanks to all of you for joining us here from Madison as well.

I'm Pat Crite, low founding editor of Up North News, part of Courier Newsroom, a pro-democracy news network.

Have a great weekend.

See you Monday morning back here up north.

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