Throwing Money or Throwing Shade? (Hour 1)

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Throwing Money or Throwing Shade? (Hour 1)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Tue Jul 15, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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Pat Kreitlow

Well, hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6 0 6 on this Tuesday morning, July 15th, 2025.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake WSOTA from wherever you're spending your mornings, listening across the Civic Media Radio Network or by podcast or on social media.

We appreciate you being right here to get that Tuesday going.

I've got a question for you, and this is a question almost as old as time.

What time is the right time to start school?

Is 7.30 too early?

I mean, there are places that even start earlier than that.

Is that right?

Should it be adjusted one way or the other?

I ask that because I know in Green Bay, for example, they are talking about adjusting the school.

class schedule for the 2026-27 school year, and right now some secondary schools start around 7.30 in the morning.

There's a plan that would start school high schools at 8.10 and end at 3.40.

Another would start at 8.30 and end at 4.00 p.m., according to a story in the Presquizet.

Of course, you get into all the push and pull, the tug of war, about

parents having to get rousted too early, trying to get kids dropped off in time to get to work, kids who have too much time on their hands after school versus kids who need time for activities.

So maybe there isn't one right answer, but it certainly feels sometimes that there are some wrong answers about how schedules can be written up.

One of the topics that you can certainly chime in on throughout the course of the day today.

And on this Tuesday, what else do we have coming up?

Well, we're going to listen back shortly to an interview.

by Washington County executive and candidate for governor, Josh Showman.

He stopped by the Civic Media booth at the Northern Wisconsin State Fair in Chippewa Falls last Friday during Todd Alba's show, and Todd and I got a chance to ask him some questions.

It was a pretty quick interview, so we'll play it back this hour.

and try to get a sense for what his answers tell us about what kind of governor he'd be, especially the part where he talks about throwing money at schools.

We'll talk later to Dan Schaefer of the Reconpopulation Area about Wisconsin's political headlines.

There is another Republican candidate for governor, Bill Barion, who is already placing a six-figure ad by in TV commercials.

Now.

more than a year before the primary.

Yeah, I know.

We'll talk later to Jeff Renneke from the Friends of the Apostle Islands about those signs that the Trump administration is putting up in national parks and other places, asking people to basically snitch on their national park site or others if they're presenting history in a way that they think is too politically correct.

We'll also talk to State Senator Jamie Wall from Green Bay about the reasons he voted in favor of the new state budget.

Chad Holmes is back from Vegas playing poker and Dan Hagens along from NewsWatch 12 and Rhinelander.

Here's Brittany Merleau's forecast.

Summer heat and humidity stick around ahead of some thunderstorms and more heavy rain that will once again bring a risk for flash flooding in some areas.

Brittany's forecast for the state says today sunny, hot and humid.

Low 80s up north, upper 80s in the south, southwest winds picking up at 10 to 20 miles an hour.

For tonight, increasing clouds and a 40% chance of showers and thunderstorms mostly up north with lows tonight in the mid to upper 60s and a south wind at 5 to 10 miles an hour.

Parker Olson is the producer of this fine program and joins us from Madison Studio A2 to talk about the heat and the humidity and

getting away from it all up on a lake or wherever.

How's Mr. Olson this morning?

Doing pretty good.

I had the weird part of my morning for some reason where I had no idea what day it was, and I almost went back to bed.

Same.

Pat Kreitlow

Cool.

I didn't get back to bed, but Sherry at one point said,

Like, happy Tuesday.

And I said, no, it's Wednesday.

And she said, no, it's not.

I said, oh, no, you're right.

Oh, I wanted to have

pigeon quest.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes.

It was was yesterday that long.

No, it wasn't.

I just was completely messed up on what day of the week it was.

Yeah.

And especially, you know, I mean, we've got this work week and so we we have some pretty regimented scheduling.

But then there are the people who are timeless.

And I thought about this yesterday when I took a break, and I mean a brief break outside because it was hot up here yesterday.

You know, 85 degrees, sun beaten down on you.

But to step outside and one of the nice parts of living on a lake, especially a larger lake, is the sounds of summer that come from it.

Sometimes it's nature.

But sometimes it's just the laughs.

I heard all kinds of laughter yesterday again from people on jet skis or their water skiing or they're pulling inner tubes or they're just partying on their on their boat as they go along.

Maybe have the radio up just a little too loud but sharing their music with everybody around the lake.

And you know that in some cases it's it's some of the youths from around here who are on their summer vacation and you know summer vacation timeless.

But I always like the thought that some of the folks that I'm hearing are up here on vacation.

You know, Lake Wissota isn't like all cabins, like maybe it was once upon a time or mostly cabins.

It's a lot of homes now.

But there's still plenty of people that come here to vacation at the State Park or elsewhere.

And I guess that's one of the things I enjoy now.

It used to be when I was younger and I'd see people

on vacation, maybe you'd see people, you know, having fun at a Mallards game or whatever.

And you almost resent it.

It's like, oh, I got to work and these people have fun.

I know now it's like, no, I'm glad somebody's having fun.

It's good, good for them.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of nice sounds.

If you let yourself tune out the, the noise of the news and, and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that goes on out there.

Do you prefer to have the like vacationer

I'm not going to call them rowdy, but like that bunch over on the lake and prefer to over having like just the people who are normally up there.

Pat Kreitlow

I prefer that when, uh, when our, our vacationing friends are up here, that it's when they've taken like a week off and they can be going crazy on a weekday while I got to work anyway on the weekends, uh, and especially on holiday weekends, it gets crazy out there on the water and.

It becomes amateur hour.

They're people that take their boats way too fast, way too close to the shore and, you know, disrupt others or they take out those big honking engines, you know, to, you know, make a big wake or just to show off basically.

Compensating

Pat Kreitlow

or something.

Yes, maybe, maybe so.

So you can always tell when it is, you know, extra, there's extra recreation going on.

up there.

So yeah, I wouldn't mind if during the weekends people, well, if they just you just use your head.

That's really all I'm saying.

You know, I'm not saying I'm not trying to be a buzzkill.

I'm not trying just to be captain safety here.

But you know, be be be mindful because there's no unlike the roads.

There's no lane markers here.

You know, so people gotta be a little bit a little bit nicer to one another.

I suppose it's easier to get stupid accidents on a lake.

Pat Kreitlow

And it does and it does happen and the results there can be deadly too.

Um, you know, there, there are tragedies that happen on, on this lake and other lakes where people, uh, aren't being careful.

There might be, you know, alcohol or speed, maybe factors in there.

And so again, we love, we love the happy sounds that come from the lake and from all the recreational areas.

Uh, and it's, it's fun to see that even on a, well, it was a Monday afternoon.

See, I almost forgot again

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what day of the week it

Pat Kreitlow

was.

Alicia pops up on YouTube and says,

I almost didn't get out of bed because I thought it was Wednesday as well.

So yeah, we're just, it's summer.

In summer, it's easier to lose track of the days.

Did you watch any of the home run Derby last night?

No,

I fell asleep on the couch.

I don't even know when before it started and then woke up and thought it's probably over by now.

I went to my bed and I was scrolling Twitter and I went, oh, wow, it's not done yet.

Pat Kreitlow

No, the home run Derby is now a very lengthy affair with many more commercial breaks that are built in.

And once upon a time for me, it was, it was appointment viewing,

Kathryn Lake

you know, as

Pat Kreitlow

a baseball fan and I would recognize more of the names than I do now.

Now, you know, the, the big names, if you will, almost never compete in the Derby because they want to use the all star break to rest up.

Not to say that this isn't still you know a fun little event But it's no longer without the marquee names and by extending it to be some kind of a you know two to three hour affair You know, it's it's just not as it's not as big a deal But I did put it on and I had it on kind of in the background and Saw that Cal Raleigh from the Seattle Mariners became the first catcher

to win the home run derby.

Big dumper.

Yeah.

He has a big dumper for a nickname about his backside.

Yeah.

But again, they now they use a clock, you know, pitch clock, which is great for the game.

I don't know how great it is for the home run derby.

But once again, set aside the production value of it.

And again, concentrate on the people in the crowd.

These are folks that

You know, they were able to get into the home run Derby.

Lord only knows the difference in ticket prices, how much more expensive the All-Star game must be.

I didn't want to think about it.

And when you, when you zoom in on the, on the kids who are catching these home runs, because I mean, these guys are, are spraying 10 to 20 home runs around, you know, that's a lot of souvenirs going on out there.

Which reminds me, did I ask you this, you ever catch a home run ball or a foul ball?

No,

I haven't never, I do catch them now and then at Mallards games while I'm working.

But

Pat Kreitlow

yeah, yeah, you have to if it hits those cameras, it's kind of expensive.

Yes.

Precisely what happens.

Pat Kreitlow

You are when you work in this business, you know, you need to sacrifice your body if need be for the equipment.

I your body costs less than some of the equipment.

That is exactly what I've been told.

I've been told that you are less expensive than the camera.

Yeah,

Pat Kreitlow

they do make that clear to you.

So you have to take care of the equipment.

The brewers, of course, are off for the all star break.

They will be back in action Friday in LA against the Dodgers.

And you catch that on several of the civic.

stations across the network.

Emmy nominations are coming out later today and I guess one of the big games now is whether there will not not how few network shows get nominated for Emmys but whether there are any left that get nominated for Emmys.

I mean they've they've become

almost a non-entity in the Emmy category.

And I noticed in the article teasing this morning's nominations, it says CBS will air the Emmy Awards September 14th.

Nate Bargazzi is slated to host.

But at some point, you almost wonder if the networks will go, well, why are we even showing this if we're not making stuff that's good enough?

I just, yeah.

at least put like reruns of the stuff that's on your streaming platform onto the air.

Well, that's just

Pat Kreitlow

it.

I mean, yeah, take something like Yellowstone.

Of course, you have to maybe do a little editing, shall we say, before

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it

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can air on CBS, but at least let people know, you know, what's out there and what they could get if they subscribe to your platform.

Because look, the numbers are still on the broadcast side.

Take Noah Wiley.

When he was on ER,

ER would get 30 million viewers back in the day.

Now he's probably going to get an Emmy nomination for his work on the pit on HBO Max, which gets 10 million viewers.

So three times fewer, but those are the shows on the streaming services now that get the awards.

For example, it notes here that Oscar winner Kathy Bates is a front runner to win the best actress in a comedy for CBS's Matlock.

She would be the first person nominated in that category from a network show since 2019 and the first to win it since 2015.

So maybe the networks could step it up just a little bit.

That's

Pat Kreitlow

tough.

Put some of the good shows on their channel and not just on the streaming services.

From the heart of America's Up North, live from Lake Wissota.

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Pat Kreitlow

Welcome back on this Tuesday morning.

Let's take a look at some of the stories that

you've been passing around, liking, sharing, complaining about, otherwise engaging with on Up North News.

Amazingly, sometimes it's the stories that have only been up for a day or two that right away connect and become some of the most read stories of the past week.

So I'm looking at what Sharita Booker has shared with us.

And it was Friday or Saturday that we put up the story about how the premiere of Manitoba

responded to Republican members of Congress, including two from Wisconsin, Tiffany and Grossman, complaining about wildfire smoke.

And it quickly zoomed to the top of our engagement chart on TikTok.

which isn't really a surprise at all because, I mean, TikTok is a wonderful place to engage in mockery of clueless politicians.

Over on Instagram, the most widely engaged post was about Trump administration cuts to mental health programs for kids in our schools.

That's the target of a new lawsuit against the Trump administration from State Attorney General Josh Call.

Doing well on Facebook and other platforms was a clip of actor Jason Momoa arriving in Milwaukee for last weekend's Harley Davidson reunion.

And some of the comments were very positive, admiring, complimentary.

Others were from people who really feel that

They feel bad that kicking puppies is not publicly acceptable behavior.

And so they feel a need to take out their frustrations in the comment sections.

And look, you're never going to look like Jason Momoa.

You're not going to be that handsome, that talented.

And you may not agree with his politics either.

But you sure do like to take out your frustrations in the comment sections.

But you know what?

In our book, it's still engagement.

You're watching, you're reading, you're sharing, you're commenting, and that was definitely one of the more engaging posts that you could find on the Up North News social media sites.

Again, just search for Up North News WI on Facebook, YouTube, wherever.

Roger from Stevens Point puts on Facebook, some school districts have a high school schedule and an elementary school schedule.

Yep.

He said, I remember when my kids were in high school, they started at 730 and they finished at three, while the elementary school started at 845 and ends at 335 with some bus routes having both A and B routes.

Yes.

And that's another factor is the school bus company.

and what you do with it.

For example, let's see, Jim in Brookfield says on the text line here, due to a single bus contract with one company, the Elmbrook School District in Waukesha County, picks up middle schoolers as early as 6 20.

I feel that's a little early for 12 to 14 year olds, especially in winter and while the kids are still growing, both my daughters made it through.

However, a later start would have made things much easier.

Yes.

That's actually a very good way to put it is yeah, our kids did it and yeah, we did it But is that necessarily the best way to go about doing it when it is you know still that dark or that cold outside and Look, let's face it at the school the school year the calendar and the school day the hours Those maybe have to shift with the times when you no longer have as many stay-at-home parents when you have more parents in the workforce than ever before

And at administration that again is trying to pump everybody else out there into the workforce and find reason to Penalize you if you actually want to be a stay-at-home parent And yet at the same time saying we want you to be a stay-at-home parent so This is to say again that I'd rather have your thoughts on it rather than having me pontificate as to whether there's a right time or a wrong time, but yeah 620

620 to get on the school bus.

That may be a bit much here.

Let's see, fairs and festivals are coming up this weekend.

Now that we're off the Northern Wisconsin State Fair, we can really get back into county fair season.

So starting tomorrow...

our fairs in Barron County, Fond du Lac County, Green County, St.

Croix County, Trempelow County, and the La Crosse Interstate Fair are all getting started tomorrow.

Then on Thursday, they'll be joined by the Dane County Fair in Madison at the Alliant Energy Center.

And Parker, it becomes apparent to me that you may not have been here for Selena Heller's past coverage of the Trempelow County Fair.

which doesn't just include a demolition derby as some of these other county fairs have, but also a combine demolition derby where big old farm combines are wrecked and crashed into one another.

And I will have to see if Selena's out there covering her local fair this weekend or not, but she's done the stories in the past.

She's worked at her county fair just about every year.

And that is the thing.

where, and not just farmers, just anybody will go out and find some of those old combines that aren't being used anymore.

You're sure not gonna do this with a combine that you're paying six figures for, but grab some of these old combines and fix them up just enough to run one more time and then crash them into each other and the ticket sales alone for that combined demolition derby basically pay for the Trampolo County Fair in Galesville.

to get things done.

So I'm gonna have to find out if she's doing that.

Other things that stick out, there's a, in St.

Croix County, Collinwood City, there's a demolition derby on Saturday, but on Sunday there's something listed here called Mud Volleyball.

Oh, boy.

That's a first for me.

I have never seen Mud Volleyball advertised any place.

No.

Yeah, that sounds horrible.

I'm picturing John Candy in the movie Stripes.

I mean, it wasn't Mud Volleyball, but it was close.

The La Crosse Interstate Fair on Saturday has the 4-H Pancake Breakfast.

The Green County Fair in Monroe has a rodeo on Wednesday, a lawn tractor and a TV pole on Saturday.

Can you imagine?

People saying to their spouses, well, I'm off to the fair with my lawn tractor.

Gonna see if I can pull it.

and blow out the engine.

I want a lawnmower, rider lawnmower race.

That's what I need.

See, a race could be kind of cool.

That'd be fun.

I could bet on that.

Pat Kreitlow

I'm not a

betting man, but I would bet on that.

Pat Kreitlow

Or it could go horribly wrong.

So we'll tell you more about county fairs and festivals coming up this week.

Hey, thank you for spending some time with us as part of your Tuesday morning powered by UpNorth News.

We will have more live from Chippewa Falls right after the Midwest Farm Report here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm Pat right now.

635 right now, still ahead.

Green Bay Area State Senator Jamie Wall at the top of our next hour later on.

Dan Schaeffer from the Reconpopulation Area and tomorrow in our homeroom segment at 730, State Representative Christian Phelps from the Eau Claire area on the upcoming lifting of enrollment caps on voucher schools.

Right now the voucher school program, which is already gobbling up more and more of your tax dollars, has a cap on enrollment to limit the amount of damage being done to the state budget.

What happens when those caps on enrollment come off?

Representative Christian Phelps will talk about that tomorrow morning.

Well, the election for governor is still a

almost a year and a half away.

The primary will be, well, about 13 months away, still more than a year to go until the primary.

And yet, there are two announced Republican candidates for governor.

One of them is already announcing a six-figure ad by now, over a year before the primary.

And one of the other candidates was recently in the Chippewa Valley, and we had a chance to talk to Washington County Executive Josh Showman.

So Todd Alba was doing his afternoon radio show from the Northern Wisconsin State Fair here in Chippewa, and he was kind enough to invite me to join in, so we were there for a couple of hours on Thursday and then again on Friday.

The civic media booth just happened to be across the way from the local Republican Party booth.

And then the Democratic Party booth was just a little ways beyond that.

And at the Republican Party booth, we learned that candidate for governor and Washington County executive, Josh Schoeman, was going to be there shaking hands saying hi to folks.

And so Todd invited him over for a quick interview.

which I sat in on.

And so we didn't get to get into a lot of detail, but I do want to play it back.

It's about six minutes.

And then we'll talk a bit about his answers.

And again, there's still a lot of detail to be flushed out, but what can we glean from this in terms of the kind of governor and the kind of candidate Josh Schoeman would be?

So here from last Friday's Todd Alba show is the interview that he and I did with Josh Schoeman.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Good to be up here.

Well, I appreciate you coming on.

Why don't we just start off with for those that might not know you from Southeast Wisconsin, but tell us a little bit about yourself, where you grew up, what you did and why you're running for governor.

Yeah, so I'm the Washington County executive.

I was born in Hartford, so Washington County originally, the son of a Lutheran minister and a registered nurse.

And my folks moved around a lot when I was a youngster and mostly the eastern part of the state, middle school and high school years in Kiwani.

So I'm graduating.

Manantowoc Lutheran High School.

And my wife and I have been married 24 years this year.

And thank you very much.

I'm a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

I was with the Madison unit, the 147th Black Hawk unit in Iraq in 2003.

And when I came back, I dedicated the rest of my life to the service and sacrifice of the guys and gals who didn't make it back, either in whole or in part, and reflecting the love of my Lord Jesus, my love and my neighbor.

So that's what put me into public service.

And I've been in municipal administration for 15, almost 20 years and county executive for the last six in Washington County.

So, when you're looking at the Republican primary right now, first of all, thank you for your service.

I had the opportunity to work for former Congressman Scott Kluge and the handle military affairs.

I never served, but I have a great appreciation for our veterans, so thank you for that.

But when you look at this Republican primary, there's another person who announced a couple days ago here.

I think one of the big things that people are looking at is, in this environment, I'm a former Republican for 30 years, as you look at the current iteration,

It seems like a lot of people are saying, well, you are going to, or someone, whoever wins this Republican primary is going to have to have President Trump's endorsement.

Do you feel that?

Do you need President Trump's endorsement to win this

race?

President Trump certainly important.

It is his party.

I mean, he's he's been around for a decade now and changed everything in dynamics and politics in all of America.

But I think this primary in particular is going to come down to one thing and one thing only.

In my lifetime, Republicans have only ever elected two governors, Tommy Thompson and Scott Walker.

Both were young, energetic guys in under 45.

One was the county executive son of a minister.

And so we've got a template that we know works on our side.

And that's what I expect to work this time.

But the bottom line is we haven't had a cannon a long time on our side that really burns a shoe leather, runs into media at county fairs, state fairs, and I think that's what we need.

Meet people where they're at, have conversations with one another again, stop talking past each other.

There's been way too much of that.

And so that's what I like to see change in this campaign.

Pat Kreitlow

Whatever Governor Tony Evers decides, whether to run for a third term or whether to step back, then there will be a very crowded Democratic primary.

that's plain to see.

You will have things to say about the Evers administration and or the democratic field as it comes up.

But since we only have limited time here, I want to do, and I heard this a lot running all the time as well, they're like, just tell us what you're going to do for me.

So I want to give you that opportunity.

If you are elected, what is it that you want to do?

Yeah, the big thing that I'm focused on is making Wisconsin a place that people are proud to be, not just be from.

And what I mean by that is we've talked about brain drain in the state for feels like a quarter century, most of my life, young people leaving the state for other opportunities, never coming back.

And now you're starting to see retirees leaving.

My mom and dad are residents of Wisconsin, but they have a place down in the Fort Myers area.

And I went down and visited the spring.

And like always, all the people from Wisconsin gather and they have the brat fry and all nine yards.

and they're all residents of Florida for six months and one day or more.

They love the sunshine and the zero income tax.

And I think both of those things, we have to work change.

If you look at the demography of the state in the next 25 years, it's kind of scary.

So we've got to retain, retain, retain.

And I think that's going to be my number

Pat Kreitlow

one point.

Can I go to the other end of the age spectrum though?

Retaining our best and brightest are young people so that they don't leave.

That's right.

Can you tell them?

So my big thing with that is, I think the big hurdle for them coming back is, where are they going to live?

Housing in Washington County, the average price of a home is about 400,000.

It's demonstrably worse in Dane County, for example.

That is, that is a similar average across the state.

I don't know how young people even can think about a 40 and a half right now.

So I think that's a big issue we've got to tackle.

We have a track record in Washington County and I think we can take it to Madison.

State budget passed last week.

Governor Evers signed it into law.

There are people on the right who are saying that Tony Evers are whipped to the Republicans or people on the left saying they got a raw deal out of it.

Where do you stand?

Was this a good budget?

Is it something you could support or do you think it should have been better?

Yeah, it's not a good budget.

I don't think anybody's happy.

You know, I heard Greta Newby

or criticizing it saying she wouldn't even have a seat at the table.

I think that's wildly inappropriate.

The fact that legislative leadership and the governor weren't even talking to each other until what was it three, four weeks before the budget needed to be adopted with essentially a fiscal gun to your head with the federal money going away.

So, you know, that's something when I'm governor, you know, I wanted to reach out to Greta and say listen.

We might not agree on much, but you're going to have to see the table.

We have to be talking to each other.

I think it's one of the big things that's wrong in America is we just talk past one another.

We don't even have conversations anymore.

So it's good to have conversations, and I think that something's got to change.

We need leadership.

anything we have a minute left or so anything we haven't asked you and I would love to have you come back on thanks for doing this what have we not asked you that you think people in this state need to hear of why you want to be governor

I think the big thing that people have I've been hearing is the education governor governor Evers

prides himself on being education governor and they are very I mean the declining enrollments really statewide on average that's a problem the way that we the funding formula works and has not worked for over 30 years is a problem and we just keep throwing money there's then we're not looking at outcomes we're not looking at what's best for kids we're just looking at how do we how do we fund how do we fund how do we fund I think

around the table, even if we disagree and work together to solve.

That's what I'm going to do when I'm governor.

It's what I've done as county executive in Washington County.

Washington County executive and now Republican gubernatorial candidate Josh Shulman.

Thank you so much for taking the time to stop by.

Look forward to future conversations with Pat and I moving forward.

Pat Kreitlow

Sounds good.

Thanks for having me.

So there you go.

Josh Shulman at the Northern Wisconsin State Fair.

He's the Washington County executive and one of two now announced.

candidates for governor, including businessman Bill Barion.

And I don't know if you caught that, but Tony certainly did on YouTube saying it took a nice little dig at Bill Barion there talking about how Wisconsin has a template for governor, people who are younger, have some experience in government, work hard, as opposed to what has not worked for the Republican Party time after time.

And that's throwing rich business dudes out there.

You're, you know, Eric Hovde's and Tim Michaels and people like that.

So in Josh Schoeman's estimation, that's not what the Republican Party needs.

But let's look at a couple of the other answers.

I know some of you that listen with any regularity know the one that I'm going to jump on in a second here.

And that's the whole notion of quote unquote, throwing money at education.

But it was interesting that when he was asked, do you need Donald Trump's endorsement to win this race?

Does any Republican

In other words, it's the Tony Weed question from up in Northeast Wisconsin.

Tony Weed was by far the least qualified candidate in the Republican primary.

The other two Republican candidates were experienced members of the legislature.

Granted, I say that with a little bias being a former legislator myself, but that counts for something.

For the ability to problem solve and to govern and to not merely engage in politics.

But Tony Weed

had Donald Trump's endorsement.

And that's all you needed at the time that he was running.

So Josh Schoeman tries to kind of get around that to say, look, I'm part of that template of somebody younger who works hard and does not come from a lot of wealth.

I don't know if that necessarily will get Trump's endorsement, but he certainly is making sure not to tie himself so tightly to Trump that he can't get away in case that strategy doesn't work in 2026, the way that it did for Tony Weed in 2024.

So then he's also asked by Todd about the state budget bill that just passed.

Is it a good budget or not?

And of course he, like many people,

It's easy to, when it's that bipartisan a budget, it's easy to say the safe answer.

No, it wasn't good enough.

He talked about inviting Assembly Democratic leader Greta Neubauer to budget negotiations if he's governor.

That's fine.

I mean, it's one thing to invite somebody to be in the room.

I mean, in the Joint Finance Committee currently, Democrats are in the room.

There are only four of them.

compared to 12 Republicans, which is not at all indicative of the breakdown of voters in the state.

But again, people like to hear a candidate say things like, hey, we've got to stop talking past each other.

We've got to talk to each other.

It's the kind of thing Scott Walker engaged in in 2010, talked about that rhetoric of people coming together and we've just got to attack these problems and then of course the moment that he takes his hand off the Bible and takes that oath of office, it's time to divide and conquer.

So I'm sure Mr. Schoeman will not mind if some of us hear the rhetoric but really believe the proof is in the pudding.

He did try to take shots at Tony Evers, the so-called education governor, and that the funding formula is bad.

But let us ask ourselves, what is it that has been stopping Tony Evers from doing the things that an education supporting governor would do?

That would, of course, involve the legislature, which has been Republican majority for 14 years with its ongoing war on public education.

And that, of course, gets to the whole topic of him saying,

if there's anything else you want to talk about, anything else at all, what do you want to say?

And what he chose to say is we just keep throwing money at education rather than looking at outcomes or quote unquote, what's best for our kids, whatever that may be.

That's a monstrous red flag when you consider that Wisconsin public schools have been underfunded in terms of the inflation rate for 16 years now.

The only reason that anybody

would say there's money being thrown at them is because the state has underfunded its share so much that school districts have to keep going back to the public through referendum saying would you please increase your own local property taxes to make up for the state not fulfilling its commitment to our public schools so if if you're going to be talking about throwing money

at schools, it sounds more to me like you're throwing shade at public schools and I'd rather hear some concrete answers on how you're going to fix the funding formula and bring Republican legislators along to stop these inequities and stop this ongoing parade of referendums which are going to continue for at least the next couple of years.

Today's history lesson is coming up next as we always do.

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Happy

Pat Kreitlow

birthday to Linda Ronstadt, 79 years old today, born in Tucson.

Her career started as a lead singer of a folk group, the Stone Ponies, that there was their one big hit, but then later became a solo act with a pretty good backup band.

You ever hear about Linda Ronstadt's first backup band, Parker?

No.

The backup band was led by a couple of guys named Don Henley and Glenn Frye.

Who would later go on to start their own group known as the Eagles?

Ah, okay.

Pat Kreitlow

Now.

All right.

I love watching your face going Don Henley and Glenn Fry.

Anything?

Anything?

Nope.

Not a thing.

The Eagles?

You got that?

Hell yeah.

I got that one.

Okay.

Okay.

There you go.

So yeah, that's that was a lot of talent there in the room at at the Troubadour or the other places where they'd play and Linda Ronstadt.

I mean

My gosh that voice how I miss that voice in its peak.

I mean just looking at the at the singles You're no good.

When will I be loved heat wave?

That'll be the day blue by you poor poor pitiful me I mean a lot of remakes who baby babies in there And the kind of remakes you want to hear you sure that make you feel good listening to them.

So again

Happy birthday to Linda Ronstadt, 79 today.

Let's keep it with some big singers from the 70s and say happy birthday to David Pak.

You don't know who David Pak is, but again, if you know your 70s music, you know the group.

It's Ambrosia.

And while we wait for David to sing, I'll tell you that Jesse Ventura, former governor of Minnesota, professional wrestler, 74 today.

Now, former book Damien Lillard is 35 years old today.

Let's see, and Twitter was launched this day in 2006.

Let's forget that.

Listen to

Ambrosia.

Pat Kreitlow

Let's keep it in the 70s here.

Elton John on this week in 1972 landed his first number one album in the States.

as Honky Chateau blasts to the top thanks to Rocket Man and Honky Cat.

Happy birthday to Alicia Bridges, one of the most prototypical disco songs out there.

She's 72 today.

On this week in 1978, the Rolling Stones had another album hit number one, Some Girls, which included Beast of Burden, Shattered and Miss You.

Let's move all the way up to 1997 now, where Sarah McLaughlin released her fourth album, Surfacing, which included a hit single.

It's an album that would eventually sell more than 8 million copies.

Once again, we're going to demonstrate the age gap here.

I got so excited when I saw the song.

Pat Kreitlow

One of the, oh no, not that.

That's a whole different thing.

I was talking about Netscape.

Netscape means absolutely nothing to you.

Nothing whatsoever.

Netscape was one of the first internet browsers.

I do know

AOL,

Pat Kreitlow

though.

And it was, yeah, AOL, which is another one of those early companies before it was gobbled up by Time Warner, the company then known as AOL Time Warner, disbanded Netscape on this day in 2003.

So yeah, some of the early days of the internet started disappearing 22 years ago today.

Oh boy.

All right, here's the one Parker's very excited about.

A video was posted to YouTube on this day in 2012.

It seemed to catch on pretty well by a singer who went by the name of Psy.

So

Pat Kreitlow

you were a little too excited by this, which tells me you've done that dance a few times that's in the video.

This morning as I recorded this,

Pat Kreitlow

I

sat here.

And

Pat Kreitlow

just making the little gesture.

Yeah, that's the risks over

one another

Pat Kreitlow

It

made me I brought back memories of like oh God, I think that would have been elementary school.

Well, yeah But it made

Pat Kreitlow

you happy so that that's the whole point it made me giggle Is it it makes you happy for something you haven't heard for a while?

On this day in 1986, the Run DMC's Raising Hell became the first rap album to be certified platinum.

And one more that just hits you right in the chest when you look at how many birthday candles are on your cake.

It was on this day in 1996, Nickelodeon premiered the Teen sitcom Keenan and Kel with Keenan Thompson.

The theme song was, all here it goes, by the late Coolio.

And Keenan Thompson just went right from Keenan and Kel into Saturday Night Live and has been part of our public consciousness ever since.

For better or for worse.

He's hung around.

I think for better.

Probably.

Today is National Developmental Disabilities Professionals Day.

And I say in all seriousness that I cannot thank you folks enough if you work with the developmentally disabled and assist in their quality of life and happiness.

Thank you.

This day is definitely for you to know that you are appreciated.

This is National Horse Lovers Day.

And this is National Gummy Worms Day.

Oh, yeah.

Pat Kreitlow

That's a good day.

I'm a bit trolley.

If you're listening right now, I will gladly be a sponsor for your sour gummy worms.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay, I have to say if it's if it's gummy worms versus gummy bears or some other kind of gummy though the worms are just a little too I don't know worm like shall we say

It is the point Pat I know and I'd rather just enjoy my candy and not be grossed out by it Tony puts on YouTube Keenan and Kel an absolute classic and I mean here's the thing my daughter's watched it because they were of that age and Yes, it was it was a funny show back then so when when Keenan moved on to Saturday Night Live I was not the least bit surprised I'm surprised he's lasted that long not because of him, but because Saturday Night Live Nobody sticks around that long

I can't believe Saturday

Night Live has stuck around as long as it has.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, I mean, that's an institution now.

That's just how this whole thing works.

What else would they do without Saturday Night Live?

Really?

Seriously?

What else are you going to put in there?

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