Back to Our Regularly Scheduled Uncertainty (Hour 2)

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Back to Our Regularly Scheduled Uncertainty (Hour 2)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Mon Jul 7, 2025

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Pat Kreitlow

Shaking out the cobwebs after the long holiday weekend.

It's a Monday morning, July 7th, 2025.

Nice to have you here up North.

Parker Olsson's in Madison Studio A2.

Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here.

Meteorologist Brittany Merleau is back and will be here as well.

And coming up this hour, we'll talk a little bit about podcasts and TV streaming and live music and...

We return you to our regularly scheduled trade war already in progress now that we're done talking about Trump's bloated boondoggle of a budget bill.

So all that and more.

Brandon Woodruff, his triumphant return to the pitching mound for the Milwaukee Brewers.

All that and more coming up.

But of course, Brittany Merleau is back from the holiday weekend.

Hi, from the holiday break.

And, you know, with a very pleasant day ahead for a lot of us here, Brittany, how was your weekend?

Brittney Merlot

Well, it was pretty relaxing.

It was nice and comfortable.

I kind of liked that rain over the weekend.

Kind of cooled us down as that front moved through a little relaxing.

How was your

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weekend?

Well, Parker would have a different opinion on the rain.

It was cool.

And it was cool.

He was actually cold from being soaked in the rain.

I was freezing, Brittany.

Pat Kreitlow

He was working at Mallard's.

Working on Madison Mallard's game, weren't you?

Yeah, Mallard's game.

And then it just.

Down poured all like snap your fingers and it was down pouring and

Pat Kreitlow

I

was dripping wet and then had to stand outside for like another two and a half hours.

Brittney Merlot

Oh, yeah, that's pretty miserable.

I'm sorry about that Parker.

Pat Kreitlow

It's a

Brittney Merlot

lot of us got caught

Pat Kreitlow

though.

Nobody's nobody's going to be talking drought for a little while here.

Yeah.

No.

Brittney Merlot

No, we are not.

Pat Kreitlow

And we've got a

Brittney Merlot

beautiful day ahead of us.

Honestly, this week looks fantastic.

So a high pressure system is in place.

It's moved in right now.

Plenty of sunshine across the state.

There was some patchy fog this morning, but that's even clearing up here.

Temperatures up north in the mid forties, down south in the upper sixties.

And today's highs will rise to the upper seventies statewide.

Some mid eighties are expected far southwest and then some upper sixties closer to the Great Lakes.

Obviously, you stay much cooler there.

Otherwise, we're staying dry today.

We do have a low pressure system that moves in tomorrow, so we could hear some rumbles of thunder overnight, maybe some light rain as you wake up tomorrow morning, and then some more storms could spark up tomorrow afternoon.

But none of those should be crazy strong or severe or anything like that.

But those are expected on Tuesday and then we dry things out for the rest of the week with another system headed our way in the weekend.

But overall, gosh, they're going to be very comfortable temperatures that humidity is much less.

Honestly, it's like San Diego

Pat Kreitlow

weather.

Yeah.

Yes, that's high praise right there.

That's why I took the top down off the Jeep.

I was like, okay, I can dodge, you know, I can avoid running errands when the pop-up stuff hits and just get to enjoy it the rest of the time because you can't do, you can't drop the top on the Jeep in the wintertime.

No, you can't.

I mean, you

Kristin Lyerly

could.

Ten

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months out of the year.

Yeah, do not recommend, right?

So I'm going to literally ride this forecast as much as I can.

Thank you, Brittany.

We'll talk to you in the next hour.

Brittney Merlot

Sounds

Pat Kreitlow

good.

Always a reminder that you can sign up for our newsletter up north news wi.com where today there's a link to my article on the winners losers and liars as part of the Trump budget bill and also some of the Wisconsin towns that looked like they were

Taken right out of a storybook because of the unique architecture there.

So sign up again up north news wi.com quick reminder that on Thursday our guest will be congressman mark pokehan No doubt we'll have a lot to say there about The budget debate and where we go from here.

So again congressman

Mark Pocan on Thursday.

Let's see, from Robin Tigerton, good morning.

Partly cloudy, 58 degrees.

I hope my favorite morning people had an awesome 4th of July weekend.

I mowed a yard Friday, then watched a full day of McHale's Navy.

Wow, that's a deep cut.

11-point channel, 11.2 in Green Bay.

He watered flowers at Main Street, Tigerton.

Went to Clintonville yesterday, went to Wash's Car Molly in Wittenberg.

Let's see, I think he's got a couple of other notes here as well.

Yesterday I saw traffic on Highway 45 busy.

Trucks and campers going in both directions from people coming from up north and people going to the Hodag Music Festival in Rhinelander.

He says welcome back to Brittany and in Tigerton.

1.1 inches of rain Saturday through Sunday morning.

He's got mowing jobs in Wittenberg today.

The grass is growing fast with all the rain and the humid weather that we've been having lately.

No vacation for me.

It would be busy mowing lawns and he will earn his money for

vacation, whereas Kristen took hers this last week.

She and Craig did.

What was the unique bike ride that you guys did while you were out in the Boston area?

Kristin Lyerly

We did the midnight ride of Paul Revere.

We rode from Boston out through Lexington to Concord, and it was, we knew that it was like a historically important ride, obviously, but that was the, the British are coming, the British are coming path.

on the 4th of July.

That's

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kind of cool.

And I feel bad for like anybody that lives along there because, I mean, you have to do it, right?

You know, if you're living there, here come the tourists again and they're like, the bread is your coming, the bread is your coming.

They hear that all the time.

Kristin Lyerly

What's a bike path?

And so many people were using it.

We just kept commenting how great it was because it was part of it was urban.

Part of it was very rural, but part of it was urban.

So people were clearly

commuting and there were families out and lots of kids and bikes and strollers and it reminded me so much of the Fox River Trail or the capital city loop where families have a place to go to be able to get from point A to point B or just maybe enjoy some of the local natural beauty.

Pat Kreitlow

It sounds great.

I mean maybe a few too many miles for my my liking but you know.

You and Craig are pros at this by now.

130 miles is a slow weekend for you guys.

Oh

Kristin Lyerly

my gosh, we did a trail in New Hampshire that went along the presidential mountain range.

So there's Mount Washington and Jefferson and Madison and so there's this rails to trails and it started off pretty benign, but then it got pretty rustic.

We got a few ticks.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, did you?

Kristin Lyerly

Yeah.

I have not your bug spray friends ticks are ticks are a big deal.

Pat Kreitlow

I have not had that.

That happened yet.

And thank goodness, you just when you said the presidential range, I had to look it up quick.

I'm like, God, did I tell me this was just a dream late last week?

No, it wasn't a dream.

The New York Times actually had a story about whether there is room to put Donald Trump on Mount

Brittney Merlot

Rushmore.

Pat Kreitlow

and I just caused some people to throw up a little in their breakfast and I'm very sorry about that, but yeah.

Can we keep the presidential range unspoiled?

Kristin Lyerly

All of these things that sound like a joke are not a joke and that's one of the weirdest things.

What is a caricature when caricatures are real?

Pat Kreitlow

That's exactly where we're at.

So when you were in that area around the Revolutionary War, you and Parker were talking during the break about

podcasts and that there's a podcast about the revolution that he, I think it was Parker that was recommending it or were you to him?

I lose track.

It was Parker to you, right?

Kristin Lyerly

It was me.

Oh, okay.

Because in Boston, I had never been to Boston before.

Every time you turn around, there's

some sort of historical something that makes you wonder, I know that that's relevant, but I just don't know what it means.

So I got curious and decided that I needed to learn about the American Revolution.

There is a podcast that is free and it is called the American Revolution podcast, so it's easy to find.

And it's like...

bite-sized pieces of history that is presented in a very interesting and conversational way.

And he does a really nice job at the end of summing up the purpose of the entire episode.

So just in case you zoned out for a minute, which tends to happen, you pull it together.

Pat Kreitlow

I'm intrigued.

And Parker, you were looking for a podcast to listen to as well.

So I'm excited you'll be sampling.

I really like Rev War stuff.

I'm

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really excited about this.

Oh, that's great.

By the way,

you could pod us too.

We are a podcast as well as a live radio show head over to Spotify or Apple and subscribe to the program.

We'd love to have you listening there.

If not every day just catch some of those you know back episodes or guests that you might have missed for your podcasting when you're not busy streaming.

And in terms of streaming, I mentioned last week finishing the Netflix series four seasons.

And last night, we finished The Residence, which is a murder mystery about the White House, that there was a murder committed in the White House and this quirky detective solves it.

And I don't.

This will be a very small spoiler.

But I have to get this out anyway.

In it includes congressional hearings about this murder in the White House.

And again, it's a comedy.

The chair of the committee is Al Franken.

And it was just so nice.

It was so refreshing to see him presiding over this hearing asking questions, being funny in the process, and just missing not just missing

Al Franken for being so smart and compassionate.

But in the category of flawed characters, which of course Al Franken is, but the outrage over somebody's flaws versus the lack of outrage over somebody else's flaws is just absolutely frustrating in this country.

So just just wanted to say that to see Al Franken on The Residence, I would recommend that show very highly.

I don't know if either one of you two have anything new in the streaming area that you're watching.

No, you, Kristen, you actually go outside and play.

You ride your bike.

She touches

Kristin Lyerly

grass.

I did.

I did start.

That's a two-part series, I guess, on Steve Martin.

which I'm not a huge Steve Martin fan.

Pat Kreitlow

I've seen that.

Kristin Lyerly

Yes.

So I got through the first part.

It's really, really good.

It's well done.

It really made me appreciate him that much more.

Pat Kreitlow

And I saw it just as I finished his autobiography.

Was that the one?

Is that enter laughing or not?

Anyway, it was written many, many years ago and I just had never gotten around to it till last year and it's a super good autobiography and you know, he's got a complicated family upbringing as well as other people do and it shaped who he is now and then yeah, seeing the little documentary afterwards was really, really good.

You just realize how really good this guy is and how hard he worked at getting to be really good.

I

Kristin Lyerly

had no idea how very famous he was because he really peaked in the late 70s and 80s, but he was everywhere.

I mean, I remember being a little kid and having the headband with the arrows.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes,

Kristin Lyerly

being like eight years old and knowing what a wild and crazy guy was.

Yeah, it was just a huge part of my childhood and it really penetrated the culture, American culture.

So yeah, definitely worth watching.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, definitely want to recommend that to folks.

Let's do a little sports at 718 because it's such a happy story to pass along.

Brandon Woodruff is back.

I mean, Brandon Woodruff hadn't pitched since September 23rd of 2023, coincidentally in Miami.

where the Brewers were over the weekend when he went back to the pitching mound after shoulder surgery.

And what an outing.

Perfect through the first inning, through the second inning, six up, six down in all.

He went six innings, so that'd be 18 outs.

He only faced 20 batters, two over the minimum.

And those were both hits by the same one player.

All in all, he had Jackson Churio hitting a home run and driving in three runs, all three runs as the Brewers beat the Miami Marlins on Sunday.

Final score was three to one to take two out of three there and to split the road trip between Miami and New York.

In Woodruff six innings, eight strikeouts, no walks.

and then the two hits as well.

So the Brewers are now at home.

They will play the LA Dodgers for this evening, tomorrow evening, and Wednesday afternoon, and then a weekend series at home against the Washington Nationals, and then next week is the All-Star break.

So Game 1 of the Brewer's Dodger Series at American Family Field pregame begins at 6.05 on several civic media stations head over to the website to learn more and catch the Brewer's now with Brandon Woodruff back on the mound as they head into the second half of the season.

From the heart of America's Up North, live on Lake Wissota, thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Crightlow, you're listening to the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Pat Kreitlow

So mentioning the Brewers earlier, playing the Dodgers, our free ticket Friday is back.

And maybe you caught it on the 4th of July.

We'll have it again coming up this Friday.

Also coming up this week is the Northern Wisconsin State Fair in Chippewa Falls.

And Todd Alba will be bringing his afternoon radio show right here to the Chippewa County Fairgrounds on Thursday and Friday from 2 to 4.

I'll be there with him as well.

So come on by.

Say hi.

Bring your cotton candy.

You're roasted corn, whatever the case may be.

We'd love to see you at the Northern Wisconsin State Fair coming up this week.

In fact, today is the kickoff of the Salk County Fair in Baraboo.

That runs all week.

The Jefferson County Fair and Lafayette County Fair begin on Wednesday of this week, along with the Northern Wisconsin State Fair.

And then on Thursday for the weekend is the Kiwani County Fair and the Lodi Agricultural Fair.

So a lot of fairs and festivals to...

come see or pick something new that you haven't been to yet.

Kristen, you haven't been to the Northern Wisconsin State Fair, for example.

Kristin Lyerly

I have not, but I think it's a great idea to get out there, get some food, hang out with your friends, and enjoy some live music and festivities.

Pat Kreitlow

I really considered over the weekend

when the weather was getting nice on Sunday, that we go up and see some of those state parks north of here that have waterfalls because of the heavy rain

Kristin Lyerly

over

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the past week or two.

And I'm sure those waterfalls are just gorgeous.

That's one of my little road trip things is I'd like to hit more of these parks that have waterfalls on them.

Other people, they take the Great River Road up and down the Mississippi.

I remember one of the things I was most impressed with, with a new reporter at the TV station,

and this was going way, way back now, but he started off in sports and he was moving over to news, but in his mind, the best way to meet people and to get to know the area was every Friday, he went to a different community to go to their high school football game and talk to the locals out there, which, I mean, if you're a reporter, that's excellent advice to give to somebody.

Let's see, Alicia says she's gonna be at the Kiwani County Fair on Saturday, so.

There you go.

You can go check her out over there as well.

Um, somewhere in here talking about, I was talking last hour about, uh, Kirk Bankstead and the Monaco Parade and the, I guess prank is the right word for it that he, you know, threatened to disrupt it.

Said he was going to bring a, uh, a crowd up there.

Of course it, it ended up not happening and he wanted to point out the silliness of the town's feud with him that they would

spend the resources that they have on legal bills, on law enforcement, all the consternation, all about a political dispute, for lack of a better term about that.

And there's a lot of times that I can't necessarily defend Kirk for some of the things that he says or the ways that he say it.

But, you know, Kristen, you and I both know you always got to come back to the root causes of things.

And the root cause here is just, you know, some some of the good old boys didn't like that somebody was much too vocal and not in keeping with their politics.

And this is just not the kind of behavior we should tolerate from any local

Kristin Lyerly

government.

From any.

body really.

I mean the first solution shouldn't be to dry your gun and threaten people.

The first solution should always be diplomacy, de-escalation, having a conversation, finding a compromise.

So this is a reflection of what's happening across the country and the inability that we have as citizens

to engage in complicated conversations and find that common ground.

Find that common ground.

It's there.

Regardless of whether you are mega or on the far left or whatever, there are so many things that we all want in common.

So start there and then build out.

But that's the opposite of what we've seen with the whole Minakwa Brewing Company situation and in so many other situations, which has caused us to need to use

other resources to de-escalate.

And Kirk does such a great job of using his sense of humor and his huge crowd to be able to find creative ways around these problems.

But other people do it in other ways.

You know, humor.

I mean, my kids were talking about some of the things that they've seen online.

Some of the snarky comments that are out there and how Gen Z is dealing with some of the stuff that they're seeing because they feel powerless.

So,

There are ways we just have to be thoughtful and use our talents and be creative.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes, please.

And sometimes the better thing is to just walk away on Thursday night, for example, you know, after spending the day on the pontoon.

And, you know, it was it was a really nice relaxing birthday.

And then we went up to a local bar to see some friends as we often do on Thursday nights and met somebody new there.

And you know the type because you've been a candidate, you know, owns a couple of small businesses.

And there are a lot of small business owners who are wonderful people.

And maybe your politics, you know, they diverge a bit.

And then there are the people that own a couple of businesses and, you know, therefore, everything that they say is right.

And I just did not feel like picking a fight with this guy on my birthday.

And so he was telling me every conspiracy theory out there.

And I thought, well,

I guess that's one way to go through life is is believing every political conspiracy that's out there as opposed to maybe leaving room for you to be wrong about some things and not be afraid of the discussion about whether you are right or wrong about some things.

Kristin Lyerly

Yeah, I mean, no, if somebody's not willing to have a give and take in a conversation, then it's an even worth your breath.

I do even want to give them the oxygen or the attention.

I mean, you know, every interaction is different.

You got to feel each other out.

Pat Kreitlow

Well, exactly.

And that's where the one where it's like, I kept kind of looking over to the side to try to give somebody the high sign to pull

Kristin Lyerly

me out.

They saved

Pat Kreitlow

me.

Somebody come save me.

And eventually it happened.

But, you know, sometimes you need a little less than humility as well.

I mean, not everybody gets a three hour radio show to share their wisdom with the world or an hour on the weekends like Kristen Lyrely does.

You got another show coming up next weekend.

Kristin Lyerly

Yeah, we're talking about the unhoused population in Green Bay and some of the creative solutions to solving that very troubling problem.

It is going to be a great episode.

Pat Kreitlow

Wonderful.

Tune in to that.

Go to civicmedia.us to learn more.

Kristen Larley, have a wonderful day.

Thank you.

Kristin Lyerly

Thank

Pat Kreitlow

you.

See you later.

We will continue reviewing the day's news coming up after the Midwest Farm Report here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Tomorrow on the program Dan Schaefer from the Reconbobulation Area on the new state budget and in a sec I'll talk about that as well.

The discordant Democrats, the disheartened daycare providers, the exasperated educators and of course everybody waiting to hear if it'll be a case of two-term Tony or three.

Will he run for re-election or not?

Dan Schaefer clearly has some feelings about this, re-upping his column again on why he believes Governor Evers should not run for a third term.

And there are some Democrats who feel like the governor did not expend enough political capital in this budget process.

We'll see if we agree or disagree when we talk to Dan tomorrow and I'll give a little preview coming up here in a couple of moments.

First on the text line talking about the Brewers playing the Dodgers this weekend.

I'm kind of embarrassed to say I have been a baseball fan all my life Parker.

And I guess I just never thought about how the LA Dodgers got their name.

Obviously back from their time in Brooklyn when they were the Brooklyn Dodgers.

and leave it to Jim and Brookfield, comes up on the text line and says, hello, Pat.

I just learned from my baseball encyclopedia, Nephew Over the Fourth, that the LA Dodgers got their name in Brooklyn from dodging trolley cars.

Yeah.

They were Dodgers that way.

Yeah.

I mean, it's

not the

Pat Kreitlow

most earth-shaking thing, but it's nice to know that now in my 60s, I can go, oh, today I learned.

Yeah.

The more you know.

The more you know.

I didn't know that, actually.

Did you really?

Yeah.

Wow.

I have to think maybe I heard it at one point and it just didn't sink in.

I'm sure.

Yeah.

That's one of those things that you definitely hear once and go.

Pat Kreitlow

Cool.

But you know, then when they change cities, it's like, okay, so they come to Los Angeles.

I don't know what LA had for a trolley system.

It's kind of like when the New Orleans Jazz moved to Utah and became the Utah Jazz.

Yeah, or

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like

the Lakers on there in Minnesota

Pat Kreitlow

and then they move away.

Lakers leaving Minneapolis.

Right.

I mean, at least when the Hartford-Waylor's hockey team went to Carolina, you know, they changed it to the Carolina hurricane.

Yeah.

That makes a little bit more sense.

So.

Yeah.

Okay.

One of the things I wanted to get into as well, we'll come back to the state budget in a moment, but first back over to the federal side of things because, well, essentially we now return you to your regularly scheduled trade war already in progress because you might recall that Wednesday was a deadline given back in April by President Donald Trump to

have America's trading partners, friend and fellow alike, come to him and reach deals, or he was going to impose these strict tariffs that he said were going to bring manufacturing back to our shores.

So he announced these steep tariffs.

The markets plunged.

He said, well, I'm going to give it 90 days.

He was greeted as doing everybody some kind of a favor for putting the gun down.

And now we're coming up on the 90 days where at last check, there are concepts of a plan.

You know, there are concepts of a trade deal with the UK and Vietnam.

And I believe that's it.

I think that's the list.

I'm not expecting 88 more countries to work out deals.

And so the headline in the New York Times.

Says Trump keeps foreign countries on edge as tariff deadline nears the president is again threatening higher tariff rates on a dozen foreign nations as a deadline elapses this week for making trade deals well again, it's putting all of the You know It's putting all the credit on Trump like he's the one keeping foreign countries on edge It's Trump introducing chaos

That's what he's keeping people on edge.

He is a threat to the global economy.

And we've already seen how the American recovery, which was the best in the world post pandemic has come to a screeching halt.

The economy grew smaller in the last quarter, in the last quarterly report.

And if it grew smaller in this next quarterly report, that's the definition of a recession.

that we may be in a recession right now, thanks to the economic uncertainty that Donald Trump put in, all of the many thousands upon thousands of layoffs of government workers, the layoffs that resulted from the uncertainty of these trade deals, and yet here everybody is watching to see what Trump will do this week.

And look, either he's going to, again, make up something like

out of the goodness of my heart, I'm going to extend this for another six months or something and people are going to somehow give him credit for it.

Or he's going to impose these steep tariffs and we're going to find a lot of emptier shelves later this year when people are going Christmas shopping, for example.

Or he backs down entirely and says that he made his point because we want to see more taco memes.

Trump always chickens out.

And again, I thought enough people saw through this in his first go round in office that he's He's all bluster until he's not and then when he actually does carry through on something it is almost always harmful I mean unless you're a wealthy person who's about to get immense tax breaks at the expense of everybody else

There's not much else you can point to say that Donald Trump did this thing right economically that benefited middle-class Americans.

It's just not there.

The people who like him like the bluster.

They like the attitude.

They like that he hates the same people that they hate or at least they can all blame the same people.

But not everybody of course is amused by this and that's why Elon Musk

who's no longer Trump's bestie, is talking about starting a new third party.

We'll talk about that in the third hour of the program coming up here.

But to keep things on the federal and the state budget bills, let's come back to the state one for a moment.

Because as I mentioned, Dan Schaefer and other commenters on Facebook have expressed their displeasure.

with what the state budget bill ultimately did and how it ultimately came down.

Now, again, as a refresher, the budget will cut taxes by $1.3 billion.

It will spend hundreds of millions on building projects at the UW system.

It does expand some Medicaid funding for now because, again, the Trump bill will eventually restrict it.

Increases funding for special education.

It funds some new childcare programs, but does not provide nearly the direct support to daycare providers that they would like.

There's an expansion of the second lowest tax bracket.

There's the exemption of some retirement income from taxation.

Eliminates the residential utility sales tax and creates a film tax credit.

It will cost a little bit more to get a driver's license, by license plates or title of vehicle.

And in his latest column, Dan Schaefer asks if it was all enough.

Did Evers and Democrats press hard enough for their newfound leverage?

And that leverage came because there were a handful of Republicans who had already said they were not going to support what the Joint Finance Committee was coming up with because they wanted deeper cuts.

We'll never know how they would have voted because we know on the federal side, Ron Johnson caved.

Ron Johnson said this thing is going to drive the debt too high, but then he caved and went along with it anyway.

And we'll never know if those two or three state senators would have done the same thing because instead, legislative Republicans turned to state Senate Democrats and negotiated with them for things that would attract enough Democratic votes.

to pass a budget.

Now I'm going to admit I'm still a little surprised that they did that.

I was pretty well convinced that Republicans were going to choose having no state budget because there wasn't enough of a downside for them.

You see in Wisconsin state government doesn't shut down if there's no budget.

You know the previous budget just just plods along.

You can't have that at the federal level.

At the federal level there is a government shutdown.

and Republicans have never come out ahead after a government shutdown.

To them, the party of small government nowadays means the party of no government, and the American people don't want that.

They still want a basic level of services.

We can disagree on whether they're spending too much on this or that, but you don't cut out all services entirely in the form of a government shutdown.

And Republicans have had to learn that the hard way at the federal level.

But at the state level, I didn't see nearly the level of political risk for Republicans.

I mean, even if this bill hadn't passed last week, yeah, there would not be $1.3 billion in tax cuts.

But that money would still be sitting there in surplus and would sit there until after next year's gubernatorial election.

when Republicans might have a Republican governor and a Republican legislature and they could give three or four billion dollars back in tax cuts and not make any investments in schools, the UW system, infrastructure, the environment, healthcare, you name it.

But they did make it a bipartisan matter with Governor Evers.

They did negotiate details for increases in spending in some areas like special education.

It's just that in the end,

Based on what I'm seeing over the weekend.

There are plenty of people from Progressive activists to child care providers to Democratic politicians who believe not nearly enough was done and There should have been either a veto of the bill Or just no vote at all and again just the last budget would carry over and so I'll be curious talking to those folks this week

what they saw as the potential upside to that.

The potential upside of having no budget at all rather than a budget that had some good things but not all of the things that they wanted.

And how does that affect Governor Evers decision on whether to run for a third term?

Does he hear all of this discord?

Does he hear the criticism and

believe that it would be best if he passed the torch to somebody else.

Does he instead feel like he actually looks like the the centrist in the room and that that makes him the strongest candidate for being elected to a third term next year?

If Tony Evers decides to run for a third term, how many Democrats, how many progressive activists out there will do the bare minimum of effort because

They're not happy with this budget, and they don't feel like he fought hard enough for it.

And if that happens, and a Republican wins the governor's race next year, who gets the blame?

Is it Tony Evers for running, or is it the people that could only follow him or support him half-heartedly?

Tom and Hartford on the text line says very simply, Evers should run.

And we had that as a question of the week in our Sunday newsletter a couple of weeks back, you know, whether Evers should run for another term or not.

And as I noted in the follow-up article, those were some of the most passionate answers we've ever received to a question to our audience on both sides.

adamant that Tony Evers is far and away the best hope for Democrats, has the best record, has done the most for Democrats and others who say he's done too little that he needs to, again, pass the torch that we need somebody who's more of a fighter.

Even if that fight does or doesn't lead to the progress that you want, I don't know.

Do some people just want to fight for the sake of a fight or because they know it can be productive?

These are the things that I'm very curious to talk to people about this week and in all of the time leading up to and after Governor Evers decision to run for a third term or not.

So for more about that, you're going to want to tune into tomorrow's conversation with Dan Schaefer from the Reconpopulation Area.

We will get into it during our 8 30 half hour tomorrow.

A local break is next for some of you.

The rest will come back here live from Lake Wissota on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Pat Kreitlow

So in between getting soaked in the rain, covering a Mallards game, and the other activities, did you either watch or hear any of Brandon Woodruff's

return to the Milwaukee Brewers pitching mound yesterday in Miami, Mr. Olson.

I was lucky enough to not have anything going on on Sunday.

So I went golfing with my dad, my uncle in the morning, and then got back in time to watch Big Woo.

OK, so you did

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see it.

Yeah, I saw the whole thing.

It was great.

How good did he look?

Because I heard the game on the radio driving.

The combo of the sinker.

And force, I don't know if it's a sinker.

I think it might be a two seamer.

Um, and the four seamer were so nice.

They look so similar until they break and they break so opposite of each other.

Um, he looked fantastic.

He had so much life in his pitches.

I couldn't believe he didn't even seem like he lost that much velocity, which was really nice and something that you wouldn't really expect.

So,

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no, you wouldn't, especially somebody who hasn't, you know, pitched in, you know, almost

two years before he went out with the shoulder surgery.

And I recall that when he had that shoulder surgery after the 2023 season, and not long after that, you know, the burrs were not going to say rebuilding, but there was a little volatility in the signings.

And when they announced that they signed him to a contract extension, as recovering from shoulder surgery, I'm like,

That's bold.

I mean, that's, that's a vote

of confidence

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and a lot of trust and he did not let them down.

I'm sure he returned the favor and said, well, if they're putting this kind of faith in me.

So he was, as I've said, practically perfect yesterday over six innings, just two batters over the minimum, two hits, no walks, eight strikeouts.

And so yeah, really nice to have him back.

I would not have put money on it.

Back then, you know, no, even especially now with Garrett Mitchell, you know, blowing out his shoulder again.

I really would not have bet on a comeback for Brandon Woodruff.

So I was waiting for him to get pulled.

If I'm gushing a lot this morning about it, it's because I am.

It is such a pleasant surprise for me compared to how I felt, you know, a year and a half ago.

That's fair.

Yeah.

I fully expected him to have to get pulled because it was starting to feel a little too much on his shoulder, but he looked really good.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, let's see.

Jimmy Koska is off today.

We'll talk to him on Wednesday and then again next Monday about some sports.

But it looks to be that Freddie Peralta is the only All-Star selection for the game in Atlanta on July 15th.

So congratulations to fastball Freddie.

Hope that he has a good appearance while he's there.

I also see in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Carlos Gomez was taking batting practice in Miami with the team for the annual Alumni Home Run Derby, which will be after the game at American Family Field on July 25th.

He's 39 years old now and apparently looked really good, you know, taking his swings out there over the weekend.

I think that Home Run Derby thing that they're doing, I think that's going to be a riot.

I think that's going to be so fun.

I

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wonder if you were going to say, homerun derbies are so yesterday and all that.

The

actual homerun derby, I'm not a fan of.

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Yeah, I want to think it's going

to be

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awesome.

They have monkeyed with that with the with the homerun derby at the All-Star game so much.

I don't even I didn't watch any of it last year because I

Kristin Lyerly

just didn't want to

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go through.

Well, on top of that, even before you get to the homerun derby, the the intros and things, I don't think the first swing was for like 45 minutes.

That's very possible.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just.

They made it into a terrible system that it's a bracket now.

I think that's what

Kristin Lyerly

it

still is this year.

Pat Kreitlow

It's a

bracket.

Now everyone's just tired because they're taking 100 swings.

It's not it's not fun to watch stars get really tired over

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a

half hour.

Pat Kreitlow

And I don't I don't know the format for the Brewers one at the end of July, but Gomez will be one of the team captain.

So there will be a team thing.

Ryan Braun will be the other.

And then the participants include Giovanni Gallardo, Bill Hall, Corey Hart.

Casey McGee, Eric Tames and Niger Morgan.

Oh,

Tony Plush coming back.

Pat Kreitlow

Tony Plush T Plush is coming back, which is going to be great.

You know, with him and Braun and the others, they're going to, they're going to run so many highlights from the 2018 season.

I mean, it'll be, it'll be worth it to go just for the highlights.

Yeah.

That's a lot of nostalgia.

That's a lot of fun names.

You know, I mean, look, you could look up the highlights on YouTube right now if you wanted to.

But it won't be, you know, they're going to do it there.

And that's that's going to be a lot of fun for for the crowd.

Yeah, that'll be really.

Kristin Lyerly

So it reminds me is that

Pat Kreitlow

that's when civic media, they have tickets.

Do we have a game

that

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day?

Yeah.

I'm sure that there's something going on there.

Yeah.

In fact.

Yeah.

I think I know.

I think I know somebody who might have already

Snarfed up the tickets you so it's possible.

I'll I'll I'll get back to you on that with

price.

You have an extra I might try to make time I

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Think that would

be I

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think it'd be fun.

So anyway, the the brewer is now back to to real life back to the reality this week We'll be playing the Los Angeles Dodgers.

I have not looked up the pitching matchups for that You

know, you know who I don't remember what day it is, but we're gonna get a fun one

Or are you going to get the Miz versus Kershaw?

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, that's right.

Yes, I did hear that first.

And isn't that I think that's the Tuesday night game.

I believe that

sounds.

I was thinking the two may be the Wednesday.

Pat Kreitlow

I don't remember for

sure.

Oh, no, he follows Freddie.

You're right.

He's Tuesday.

Pat Kreitlow

OK, well, there you go.

So I mean, that's that's going to be fun to watch with the Dodgers who we learned just this hour.

We're named for dodging trolleys in Brooklyn.

Marino some of the older folks out there like how did you not know that?

Yeah, I

Pat Kreitlow

don't know I I think I did I'm not sure anyway games are this evening tomorrow night and then Wednesday afternoon at American Family Field and then the Washington Nationals will come after a day off on Thursday

The Washington Nationals will be here Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, and then comes the All-Star break next week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, followed by one of the last really big road trips for the Brewers out to LA to play the Dodgers in LA on that weekend after the All-Star game and then up to Seattle after that.

So a bit of a challenging road work ahead of them, especially with these, you know, six games against the Dodgers over the next two weeks, but

We got, you got big wool on the mount.

And once you got that, you've got a base to build off of.

For sure.

I think he could be a very, very nice addition for this pitch rotation,

Pat Kreitlow

which

has already been good.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Coming up in our next hour, the third hour, what about this third party for Elon Musk?

We'll talk about that.

And much more head live from Lake Wasota here on the Civic Media radio network.

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