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A ‘Big, Beautiful’ Disaster for Rural Healthcare (Hour 1)
Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Fri Jun 20, 2025
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Well, hey there, Wisconsin.
Good morning.
It is 6.06 on this Friday morning, June 20th, 2025.
It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north, live from Lake WSOTA.
From wherever you're spending your mornings listening across the Civic Media Radio Network.
or listening or watching us on all the other platforms.
We appreciate you starting your day and wrapping up your week right here.
I do have a question for you, though.
I mean, it's it's Friday.
It's a Friday in June.
And like most Fridays, I have my Roy Kent coffee mug here where Roy Kent is saying Oi, which is the nicest word that he says that I can share on the radio.
And yet it why does it even with the Roy Kent mug?
Why doesn't it feel quite like Friday?
I mean, it's summertime now.
It's June.
Wait a minute.
It occurs to me.
Fridays in the summer are for Yacht Rock.
Parker Olson down there in Madison, Studio A2.
Do you have a record handy?
Could you put the needle on that record and spin it to help me get into more of a Friday frame of mine, please?
Or chance?
Oh, there, my goodness.
Does it make me feel better?
Yes.
Yeah.
Does this feel like Friday?
I almost don't need coffee now.
Hey There see a little a little yacht rock Friday is just there we just needed that little dose to get into things here How are things in beautiful Madison?
We had I've been up since three when a line of thunderstorms moved through it It was the kind where it wasn't one or two lightning strikes It was like rolling thunder for a half hour or more just constant thunder.
I was wondering
I'm now awake enough that extra hours like, okay, you can't otherwise I can't put the contacts in now that early, but when you've been awake long enough, you're like, all right, I can wear these today.
So yeah, yeah.
So I got the storms up here.
I haven't looked at the radar.
So I don't know what you got out there, but I don't think anything down here across central Wisconsin, you know, moving across Western Wisconsin, we had had a very loud storm that came through.
And now as I'm looking, it really has been almost more like a
like a river of rain and and we got a little bit of it but most of it was to the north pretty much a long highway eight and then down toward wassa and then it takes a turn toward appleton and uh wow right now uh new london and new london's getting swamped that's the technical term and uh appleton
Appleton is in the crosshairs and Green Bay is getting heavy rain, too.
There's also another area of showers stretching more or less from Black River Falls down to Prairie de Chine with the heaviest rain in the far southwest corner of the state.
And Brittany Merleau will have that forecast detail for us in a little bit here.
She'll tell it much better than us.
What are you saying?
Did I not do a good enough job there?
She does.
It'll be spotless.
So yes, there is rain headed your way, but not anything as
booming is what you had booming yes yes um uh tony asking did the storm steal your glasses pat no it's not it and tony noting parker has a new camera angle fancy for folks watching on social media yes look quite a day it's like no glasses on pat and parker now no longer looks like a little tiny person in the corner of the screen he's actually
Got a camera right there by him.
What?
here.
That's funny.
Dom, by the way, Dom, folks used to be hearing Dominic, who's who's moved on to other endeavors here.
Dom is one of our new young producers.
on John and Gordy.
And he's on the show here in Madison.
And he just happened to have a camera in his backpack and said, here, guys, you can use this.
Pretty much,
And look at that plug and play.
It works just fine.
All right.
Well, look at all the things different.
The camera is different.
The eyewear is different.
And the lineup of the show is different as well.
It was one of those weeks where just everything came together.
said, let's shake up the lineup.
So we will not be hearing from Courier Newsroom National Correspondent Keev Akeel.
He's on vacation this week.
I hope he's having fun.
Jennifer Schulze and Mark Jacob, two of our favorite Chicago journalists who join our Week in Review panel, are each on the road today.
Former U.S.
Attorney Jim Santel has an early court hearing today.
So here's what we got instead.
There's a new report out by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
on President Trump's big bloated boondoggle of a budget bill and what all the Medicaid cuts would do to rural hospitals and so we'll look at the Wisconsin end of that a nearly four billion dollar hit to Wisconsin hospitals over the coming decade if this bill were to pass as is and what would that mean in terms of all the uncompensated care all the financial pressure that that would put on rural hospitals we know how many have closed already
what happens if this plan goes through to transfer all of this money from Medicaid into tax cuts for the very rich?
We will talk to somebody from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation about that story coming up.
about that study, I should say.
In our seven o'clock hour then, instead of Jim and Mark and Jennifer, we have Chicago broadcast legend, Joe Nesposito joining us to talk about some of the week's big stories.
And then at eight o'clock, we get things back into a normal groove with Kristen Lyrely joining us at 8.05, talking about what you can hear on the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show coming up tomorrow.
You can hear her show weekends through the Civic Media app.
or on the stations in Green Bay and Oshkosh.
And then Mike Clemens will be along at 830 to talk about sports.
And there'll be plenty of ground to cover, but I hope we spend a little bit of time on that Cubs Brewers game from yesterday.
All right, the good news is the Brewers won over the Cubs, eight to seven.
But I am here to tell you that there is a a new Angel Hernandez out there in the world and his name is Adam Beck Parker you work all those Madison Mallard baseball games And so if I say Angel Hernandez, you probably know what I'm talking about,
Angel Hernandez was legendary He's one of a kind
for his balls and strikes calls.
And let's just leave it at that.
And I really hope that his cane and his seeing eye dog are serving him well in retirement.
Anyway, things were getting a little dicey there in the ninth inning.
Fortunately, Brewer's closer, Trevor McGill induced a game ending double play, wrapping up that 8-7 win over the Cubs, but he had to overcome several.
poorly missed calls by home plate umpire Adam Beck.
Did you look at this at all?
Did you see Pat Murphy?
I saw Pat Murphy was flaming.
I thought, I mean, Sherry and I were both watching the game and we're like, he's going to explode.
He is literally going to explode.
He did not come out of the dugout.
Um, but oh, was he barking and rightly so.
These calls were.
awful that, you know, that Trevor McGill's throwing and they're, they're hitting the zone.
They're nibbling the zone.
Any, any of the robot umpires, please bring them on.
Would have rightly called them strikes and Adam Beck called them a ball.
a good
I, and I thought that that ball was going to go through that led to the game ending double play.
I thought if this goes through and they tie or win, I mean,
We're
done
talking about Adam Beck now, but had we lost that game, I'd probably spend the whole show talking about it because it was it was just so bad.
pretty.
Yeah.
In terms of pitching, I wasn't sure if Jacob Mizorowski was going to pitch because he was supposed to on Wednesday night.
That game got rained out, but Murph decided to keep Freddie Peralta on his regular schedule.
So he started the game yesterday.
He did.
He did all right.
He struck out six.
including four in a row at one point.
He gave up only two hits, but both were home runs.
So Jacob Mizorowski is going to start tonight when the Brewers head up to Target Field to take on the Minnesota Twins.
The coverage of that game begins at 6.35 this evening on several civic media stations around Wisconsin.
Head over to the Civic Media website to learn more about the
Brewers taking on the twins, a target field this weekend.
In the NBA finals, I didn't grab the score in front of me here, but I do see that Indiana forced a game seven winning last night.
So there will be a game seven.
Did you catch what day that is?
I'll have to look it up later.
I'd have to care a bit more.
Here's what I
know.
What I know is everybody said, oh, nobody wants this.
Two small market teams, Indiana and Oklahoma City.
Nobody wants to wants it.
The one thing the NBA would always tell you is it doesn't matter who the teams are.
If you can get if you can squeeze seven games out of it and believe it or not, they're going to a game seven.
I know you want to see my shocked face.
But yeah, yeah, it'll be on Sunday at seven o'clock Sunday at seven.
OK, very good.
And look at that, Luke, right on time Sunday night on the text line.
Thank you, sir.
W.I.A.
Baseball championships were decided yesterday.
Let's see.
So we've got in division four, the Johnson Creek Blue Jays shut out Stevens Point Pichelli five nothing in D three, Kenosha St.
Joseph.
The Lancers took down Kiwani three to two in D two or yeah, three to two in division two.
New Berlin Eisenhower is your state champion over Seymour five to four yesterday.
And in division one, it was Muskego over Badger.
also by a score of five to four.
So there are your state high school baseball champions and the girls soccer championships continue in Milwaukee.
I believe they had a they may have had a weather delay.
I thought the championships are going to be yesterday, but it was a whole bunch of semifinal games.
So that's what's happening on that.
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One final thing here I wanted to point out, Parker, I mentioned Target Field and that's what made me think about it.
You ever go into Target and realize you didn't bring a list and you're not sure if you got what you came in for?
Yeah, because I did the other day when I'm like, I just know I need two things.
I could remember the one thing I could not come up with the other thing to save my life.
Was it was it two bags of potato chips?
No, but I bought them anyway.
Well, yeah, you have to.
Yeah.
Well, you know, was it something a little bit extra for the garage?
No, no, but I needed that anyway.
So I have to stop to you.
If you go into a store like that without a list, and especially Target, I mean, there's too much.
There's just you're going to spend so much and then you're going to go
Wait, I forgot the thing I went in there for yeah bring a list kids bring a list Yeah, I will be back to cover some of the day's news in a bit from the heart of America's up north live from Lake Wissota Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.
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Go ahead That was a complete and utter off.
You earned that one Wow, I really did and you didn't even mention.
I didn't even flinch.
Well, what did what didn't I mention?
You didn't even mention it's free ticket Friday
I didn't mention this free ticket Friday.
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I had that in my notes.
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Oh, I've run out of time.
Apparently there's this commercial break I need to get to.
All right.
More about free ticket Friday after this.
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You're up north.
What a professional.
I
tell you, I trained for this.
You know, if you'd like to speak your mind at this show and yell at the host for forgetting how to tell time or anything like that, you can use the voice note feature on the Civic Media app.
You can record a little message with a comment or a question.
We might play it on air.
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me to have them because again, somebody is sleepwalking into his Friday here and I neglected to give you Brittany Merleau's state forecast.
I told you it was raining, but let's let's let's move beyond now casting and into forecasting.
Brittany writes another day of rain and storms before the heat dome hits, bringing a heat index of around 100 degrees for Saturday and Sunday.
Going to be dry all weekend before a front slides into Wisconsin next week.
But for the weekend, it's going to be sunny and hot.
For today, areas of rain and storms in the morning, patches of sun in the afternoon, highs today in the upper 70s up north, mid 80s south, and a southwest wind at 10 to 20 miles an hour.
For tonight, scattered thunderstorms, especially far north, some strong to severe, mid 60s up north, near 70 south for lows tonight, and a southeast wind at 10 to 15 miles an hour.
And again, Brittany will have much more to tell us about that right after the seven o'clock news here.
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I know you feel like I can't compete with that, but go ahead and try, you know.
And Alicia, putting up on YouTube, going to have to break out the straw hat for Fox Valley Pride tomorrow.
Yes, you are.
Sunscreen hats.
Remember the hats, kids.
I know they're not always fashionable.
but they can be fashionable, but they are extremely necessary.
All right, quick update from the state capital where once again, state budget talks have broken off.
I know what you're thinking, like, wait, you just told us, wasn't it a week ago that Republicans had broken off negotiations with Governor Tony Evers?
Yeah, but apparently they were back on again.
Once again, they didn't tell us.
not that they have to, but they do tell us when they break off.
And apparently Senate Republicans were the ones to break off talks.
Assembly Republicans led by Robin Voss said, we're happy to keep talking with the governor.
We'll see what we can do here.
But Senate Republicans led by Majority Leader Devin Lemmehew apparently said, nope, they, they're just too far apart.
Now, as Jesse O'Poyne tells us in the journal Sentinel, a delayed budget is not a big deal in terms of there won't be a government shutdown.
You just continue with the current budget.
But as she notes, a delayed budget can affect budgeting for school districts and local governments while they await to see how much state aid they're going to get.
And it can interfere with deadlines for federal funding.
So the question becomes, why did these break off?
Is it because Republicans are divided and some of their more extreme members want even bigger cuts that they want more of a confrontation with the governor?
Is that what it is?
Because what Republicans could do then is turn to Democrats and say, look, we want a more responsible budget.
We want more of a win-win.
We got to go to the voters and say that we did something.
And so let's work together, let's negotiate on something.
Or is it that they feel like, nope, if we negotiate with Democrats, we're gonna lose.
Which I don't know where you get that from.
In Congress, the only time they got budgets passed recently was going to Democrats and getting a handful of votes and not letting the most extreme members of your caucus drive the train because they're gonna drive it right off the tracks, take your entire party with you.
You see, the state Senate is Republican majority 18 to 15, but a couple of members have already said they won't vote for the state budget plan, most likely, which means that they would have to negotiate with Democrats to get enough votes to pass.
But as I've noted, that assumes they actually want to pass a budget.
It could very well be
that the republican strategy is to say well we we did all we could but we just can't get something done so we're just going to continue with the current budget because in their mind it's more fiscally conservative.
It comes with a lot of political risk if they do it but it's it's something that some of them may just want to do because they are so unhappy that Governor Tony Evers is governor.
and can veto things with the partial veto powers that a governor has.
I mentioned this late yesterday in case you weren't around for it near the end of the show.
I talked about how Republicans like State Senator Romain Quinn of Rice Lake were getting up on the Senate floor the other day and just railing against governor Evers being able to veto funds and so as a result, the Joint Finance Committee
isn't releasing these funds.
$15 million for hospitals in the Chippewa Valley, all the money that was going to go for getting PFAs out of water, and so forth.
And Senator Quinn and others are saying, well, we're standing up for the legitimacy of the legislative branch.
No, if the legislative branch wanted legitimacy, they would understand that if they want to override a veto, hold the vote.
And if you can override the veto, great, and if you can't override the veto, that's the way it works.
But for you to then rig the rules of the game a bit and say, well, we're just not going to release this money that I know we already approved, but we're not going to release it.
That's what makes you look bad.
That's what makes you look like extremists.
And there is no respect for the legislative branch if you can't respect the rules.
We just have to wait and see what happens next.
If Senate Republicans come back to the table, do they try to bring a couple of Democratic votes and have a budget that's good for all of Wisconsin?
Or do they let the extremists, like the pigeon in the kids' books, drive the bus?
Don't let the pigeon drive the bus.
Don't let the extremists rule a roost.
Back to talk about Medicaid and rural hospitals next.
You're up north.
I'd like to make clear again that on this Friday morning at 6.35, we've got a new music library here and Parker's been surprising me with new bumper music all the time here.
Parker, what's the name of this cut?
Because these production libraries, they all have interesting names for their tunes.
pad is... They're very generic ones.
What's this one?
Lasagna Sunrise.
Yes,
Good.
Good to know.
All right.
Let's let's meet with our guest now from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and to set it up say look we're going to be talking again about the tax bill that's being considered in the Senate right now House Republicans passed a version with severe Medicaid cuts.
The Senate Republicans are considering even deeper cuts to fund tax cuts for the very wealthy and because there's so many big numbers involved from a national standpoint sometimes we
we need to work a little harder to talk about the local impact.
And the local impact here in Wisconsin, especially for rural hospitals, could be quite devastating.
And to learn more about it right now, we're going to talk to Catherine Hempstead, who is with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Catherine, good morning.
Thank you for being here.
Oh, good morning, Pat.
Thanks for having
me.
Yeah, you are a senior policy advisor for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which I guess we should start with that first if you could give us just the the briefest background on what the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation is and does.
Sure, yeah, Robert Wood Johnson.
Foundation is the largest domestic foundation that's really devoted to health and we think about health in a very broad way and we're really committed to the idea that everyone has the right to live their healthiest life and coverage for everyone and access to healthcare for everyone is certainly part of that.
All right so in you've been studying what's what's being called the reconciliation bill that's being put together
And I won't get into all the minutiae here, but it's called a reconciliation bill to avoid things like a Senate filibuster.
And so everything's got to go into one bill.
And that's why we're talking about so many different things and such an impact.
And as you've looked state by state at the way the bill is structured or being structured right now, what is your estimate there at the foundation as far as what happens over the next decade to rural hospitals across Wisconsin?
Well, the bill involves a massive increase in uninsurance.
I mean, I think that's one of the most signature aspects of the bill.
There's many different cuts to the Medicaid program that you were talking about, including the imposition of work requirements and changes in the way states can fund their Medicaid programs.
And there are also a number of measures directed at the ACA marketplace that would make it more difficult for people to enroll, who require more verification from people that would
disincentivize them from enrolling or reduce the length of the open enrollment period, a whole set of measures.
And then adding to that, there's a very important set of expanded tax credits for the marketplace that aren't.
being extended.
It's not really part of the bill, but it's a decision that's made sort of not to extend those.
So when you look at the net effect of all of those measures on coverage, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that 16 million people will lose coverage over the next 10 years.
And most of it's going to happen quite soon.
And just for some perspective, there are probably between, you know,
27, 28 million uninsured people now.
So just imagine what a large increase that is in the size of the uninsured population and that's going to impact every state.
And one of the, you know, there's so many ways that that
makes itself seen and has so many harmful effects on different kinds of people.
But one of the things that's really important about that is that it's a great big hit to health care systems like hospitals.
And that's what you asked about at the beginning.
And that's one of the things that we've been measuring and estimating is what does that translate into in terms of
a reduction in health care spending or a reduction in revenue for hospitals, for doctors, for dentists, for other kinds of providers, prescription drugs, everything.
And it's
a
massive hit.
We estimate $1 trillion.
less health care spending over the next 10 years.
And a lot of times we complain about health care spending and we think, oh, reducing health care spending, that's great.
But that's not really what we mean here.
What we mean here is that people are not going to be able to access health care.
So they're not going to be going to the hospital, going to the doctor, getting care that they need.
And then providers are not going to get revenue that they need.
So this is a reduction in health care spending that's common because people have lost their coverage.
And in Wisconsin alone, your report notes a $3 billion loss over a 10-year period, right?
For hospitals yeah eight billion overall over the next ten years looking at all kinds of health care spending combined and three billion for for hospitals and In that's particularly hard for rural hospitals many times have very kind of fragile finances and really depend on Revenue from Medicaid and from the ACA it's important to note that that's just as big a part of it You know as the loss of people with that coverage because CBO estimates roughly equal coverage loss in the two programs
programs, approximately 8 million in each over the over the 10 year period.
But but it sort of translates into the same thing.
These are people that can't go get care because they don't have coverage.
So yes, 8 million total reduction in health care spending
in about
3 million for hospitals.
So there there's a great concern about rural hospitals, which which I know you have some in Wisconsin and the other concern are certain sort of safety net hospitals that disproportionately have patients that use Medicaid and maybe that use the.
ACA marketplace too.
And so on top of that $3 billion over the course of a decade here, the report goes on to note that there will be, of course, an increase in uncompensated care from people that need care just because they lose their Medicaid or they lose their policy coverage through the ACA marketplace.
You know, they're still going to need care and they're not going to be able to afford the bill.
And your report notes another $900 million over the course of the next decade in uncompensated care.
So we have folks here with Wisconsin hospitals adding those numbers together and saying, you know, that's, that's a nearly $4 billion hit for Wisconsin hospitals.
Again, many of them in rural areas.
And I mean, you're not saying this explicitly.
I don't think in the report, but it's hard to see how you take a hit that big and a lot of smaller, especially rural hospitals are going to have trouble keeping their doors open.
It would seem.
Absolutely.
And there have been some studies looking at particular groups of rural hospitals that seem to be in particular jeopardy.
And a lot of rural hospitals were in great shape to begin with.
Yeah, it's a huge hit.
And people that lose their coverage don't use as much care as people that have coverage, obviously, but they don't use no care.
So they do tend to show up sometimes in the emergency room because they know they will be treated there.
And then they often will be presented with it.
the bill that they have no ability to pay, which ends up being uncompensated care or charity care for hospitals.
And that is another part of the huge financial consequence for hospitals.
It's less revenue and then demand for services that are then not paid for, which just adds to the financial hole for hospital and other health care providers.
In
addition, obviously, there's a huge consequence for all the people who are not able to get
the care and the medications and the services that
they
need.
And another thing to think about is how...
this really ripples out and affects everybody because surely there are consequences for the people that lose coverage, there are consequences for healthcare providers.
And then other people who use those healthcare providers may find, as you mentioned, that they closed or they may find that they have reduced some services and they no longer offer certain services because they don't have enough money to get the specialists there to offer the services or they have different hours about laid people off.
So the quality,
or the wait times change.
So there's a huge ripple effect that affects everybody.
And another thing is hospitals may lay people off.
They're very big employers.
So then that kind of ripples out into a community.
And when people lose their coverage, a lot of times then
they start to have financial problems because they get bills that they can't pay or they stop paying other bills.
And so then there can be economic problems in their local community.
So there are huge consequences for this stage of coverage loss that go well beyond just the people that lose coverage.
And we know a lot about this because when we expanded coverage through the ACA, we were able to do a lot of good studies and see what happens when a lot of people.
transition from being uninsured to insured and we we could observe many many positive consequences first of all for for more morbidity and mortality for people's health and then also for their financial health or economic health and for the health of the health care economy in those areas and now unfortunately we're getting ready to witness this in reverse.
As noted on YouTube by Tony up in Ashland hospitals are huge employers in small towns.
This is going to destroy small towns in some cases.
We're seeing it right here in Chippewa Falls where we saw the the local hospital close a year ago.
Now a lot of this is we're told by certain politicians that these are not cuts.
These are these are work requirements to get able-bodied adults
off the couch and into jobs that provide health care.
It is a claim that is dubious at best.
And I'd like to know from the standpoint of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, and we're talking with Catherine Hempstead, a policy advisor there, these so-called work requirements that are part of this bill, to what degree are they encouraging people to get coverage they otherwise wouldn't have?
versus to what degree these are, these are onerous and really are de facto cuts because people won't be able to keep up with the reporting requirements and things like that.
Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up.
I mean, what we know is that almost all of the non-elderly low-income adults that are eligible for the Medicaid program on a Medicaid expansion are either working
or they're doing an activity like working like and they're in school or they're caregiving or they have some kind of physical or mental disability that makes it very difficult for them to work
and a
lot of these folks work irregularly so they might have a lot of hours in one month the next month not so many so so many people are gonna
not lose their coverage, not because they're not working or doing another exempted activity or not because they're exempt, but because they are not able to successfully comply with the reporting requirements.
And we've looked at studies of other states that have tried to impose work requirements.
There's a study of Arkansas.
There's a study of New Hampshire that we've looked at very carefully.
And what we find is that
the majority of people that lose their coverage are actually eligible for coverage.
So
they're
not
losing their coverage because they're choosing not to work, but they could work, but they're losing their coverage because they're not able to successfully comply.
Reporting, which are often very difficult to navigate.
People don't always have access to the internet.
A lot of people don't have a computer and they're trying to do everything on their
phone.
People have irregular schedules.
People work for cash.
There are so many reasons why people that are working or doing everything they can to work are not able to successfully document what they're doing.
And another good example is Georgia tried to expand Medicaid with a work requirement.
And they found, so that was a little bit different.
Nobody was losing coverage.
People were able to gain coverage if they could document this work requirement.
But the program was a complete disaster because it was so difficult for people to navigate the system they set up and document.
what their coverage was that they ended up having to wind back a lot of the requirements because they were just so unworkable.
I do feel like what is going to happen here is a lot of, and it's not just a feeling.
I mean, what we know from research is that the great majority of people that will lose their coverage are going to lose their coverage for sort of red tape reasons rather than because they are choosing not to work, but could work, which is pretty much a unicorn population.
And there's very little evidence
of that.
That's exactly it.
It's not an unintended consequence.
It's very intended.
Policy Advisor Katherine Hempstead from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation,
Catherine, thank you so much for your time.
We appreciate it.
Thanks for having me.
It's been a pleasure.
Goodbye.
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Greg everybody Greg welcome back No one knew I was Actually, that's all we talked about in the commercial break.
So the secret
Yeah, the entire secret show audience.
We are getting nervous for anybody.
I they got the links messed up and something happened.
There's no reason to get like to talk about me.
Hey, Greg, how's the new guy working out?
Let's see here.
Get
onto the website.
Oh,
here, Walt, while we're while we're at it.
Parker, do you have that spaghetti lasagna thing to play again?
The bumper music from the last segment?
Yeah, play that again instead of Brian Wilson here and we Greg listen to this bumper music that we had from the last segment.
Oh, what elevator are we standing at?
Now he's claiming and
I really was punking you.
I do.
So anyway, so let's let's move on with today's history.
Shall we?
Shall we?
Because the the the summer blockbuster genre officially began in 1975 and you can take that out any time because we're ready to hear what started.
Blockbuster movies in the mid 70s on this day.
There we go.
Did this movie do anything to either one of you?
And I don't mean back when it first came out, but just knowing about it, that there was a movie about shark attacks.
It did nothing for me when it first came out.
I can tell you
that.
Well, I, well, I, so it's just came out in what year?
75.
So I was, so when I came, it wasn't new, but it was still a blockbuster when I was little, so I was little.
That's what I mean.
It made it so I never saw it and I never did.
But I mean, everybody, even of a younger age, Mr. Olson, you hear this and you know what we're talking about.
What?
Yeah.
Oh, a Sound and Image.
Yeah.
I'm like, what was this biology?
We're going to learn about fish
today.
Welcome to Introduction to Jesus.
We're going to watch a movie about a big fish today.
It feeds everyone.
This fish can take down a boat.
We're going to need a bigger boat.
Someone call it
an arc.
So I'm talking.
Moving along in today's history lesson the Chet Atkins Yeah, Mr. Guitar the country gentlemen who gave us the national country song sound was born this day in 1924 On this day in 1972
During the Watergate scandal, an 18 and a half minute gap appears in a tape recording of conversations between President Nixon and his advisors about the recent arrest of operatives breaking into the Watergate complex.
That gap would prove to be fatal to the Nixon presidency.
Nowadays, who cares?
Yeah, who cares?
Big deal.
Let's go to war with Iran.
Who cares?
Happy birthday to Canadian singing legend Anne Murray.
She is 80 years old today.
love, love Ann Murray.
This is Ann Murray rocking out ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah, this
is rocking as Ann Murray gets.
This is, this next one is for Dr. Leirle, who is perhaps the biggest fan of Durand Durand, bassist John Taylor, 65 years old today, and a co-founder of the group Power Station.
Happy birthday to Lionel Richie, he is 76 years old today.
It was all I could do not just play a bunch of Commodore's tunes here.
Actor John Goodman is 73 years old today.
On this day in 1978, Foreigner released their second album Double Vision.
I love this song.
Actress Nicole Kidman is 58 years old today.
Gregory.
Yeah.
Tell us what, how goes the search for new digs for your side hustle over there?
It still goes.
We're having, well, you know, we'll hopefully be making an announcement in the next couple of weeks, but it's still, we're still, we're doing, not the, we're not finalizing, but we got, we got something in mind.
Okay.
I like it.
I'm very excited about that.
Yeah.
You know, when when the laughing tap has its big new housewarming party.
Exactly.
Whenever that
happens for now, I'm going to enjoy weekends off.
I
know for you.
Who would have thought those would happen?
Right.
Let's see.
Today is a national clean your drains day.
Yeah.
You ever you ever get one of those snakes and pull that hairball out of your drain?
Yep.
And then I just felt bad for a while.
Today is national flip flop day.
We used to have a sound effect.
Oh, I don't have.
Oh, there it is.
It was so Monday was national.
Take your cat to work day.
Today is national.
Take your dog to work day.
There's almost
I almost did today.
I almost
brought her because she was a little like crazy.
I'm like, if I knew if I knew you weren't going to bark at people, I would bring you to
work.
Oh, someday.
Yeah, so they wouldn't you know, we'll let people know ahead of time like, look, you're going to hear some barking and that that's okay.
And finally today is National vanilla milkshake day to which I say, what's the point?
It's if it's going to be vanilla.
Hey, hey, it's
fine.
It's good.
What's wrong with that?
My goodness.
Stop.
Stop pooping on people's patio.
Greg Bach, thanks for the visit.
Thanks for having me,
guys.
Good to hang with us here with Matt Nair on air.
Anything fun for you and Jane you want to talk about today?
Dan Schaefer in the second hour is always recombobulating all the news.
And then this shouldn't be a thing at 1050.
Always love this.
Shouldn't be a thing.
All right.
Thank you, Greg.
Have a great weekend.
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