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It is I, the aforementioned Pat Crightlow on this Monday morning, June 9th.
Welcome back up north 806 here on Lake Wissota and Brittany Merleau is going to have the forecast.
We're going to check in with John and Gordy down in Madison in just a bit.
First want to let you know that in the next half hour, we will be talking about apprenticeships in the building trades and the executive director of the Building Trades Council here in Wisconsin will be our guest to talk about ways to alleviate
the labor shortage in Wisconsin.
So normally, you've heard us mention a few different times that when we turned to Parker Olson, he's there in studio A2.
And I'm sure you're going, well, is there an A1?
Yeah, it's normally in use,
you
know, during these early hours of the day, but we found
a little space of time where it's not being used in any productive manner.
And we've been able to talk our friends in Madison, John and Gordy, who have finished their show into wasting some of their time on this one.
John and Gordy are in A1.
Good morning to you.
Yeah, wonderful to have you here.
We
two hours, Pat, just waiting to
be on your show.
Well, if you could entertain anybody along the way before that happens, it would be appreciated.
I'm sure a few listeners in Madison do just that.
And Dom, of course, is their producer, so he's in the control room there.
Brittany Merleau is standing by there.
We just wanted to show that we could pop five studios up on screen
at once.
I mean, it
It
it took nearly a Nobel Prize winning effort of engineering to get it done.
But we're here.
So now having proven that point.
Yeah.
partnering down, we're going to shut their cameras off because it's just it's too
me to take in at once.
I just overstimulated.
of here at this point.
All I can handle right now is that Brittany Merleau is back and has a local forecast all across the state.
That's going to be a little rainy, a little warm, but can't wait to hear more about it.
Hello, Brittany.
How are you?
Good
morning.
I'm doing pretty good.
I'm looking at this whole screen full of men.
I cannot get an edge in word wise with these guys, but here we go.
I'm just kidding.
The next few moments are all yours.
Okay, here we go.
I got the stage.
I wish I had a better forecast for you, but it is pretty nice in the middle of the week.
Today, though, this morning, we're waking up with temperatures at 48 degrees up north in Phillips, and it's about the low 60s down south into Kenosha and West Bend right now.
Sunshine in eastern parts of the state, while the rest of the state's wondering, what?
No way, we're stuck under these clouds still throughout the day.
We are looking at rain rolling through central parts of the state right now with a low pressure system overhead, a cold front sweeping south through the state.
So yes, clouds are headed your way into the eastern areas too.
Highs still on the cooler side, mid 50s far north to mid 60s far south today.
So only a few more degrees for our high temperatures.
We're still looking at a little bit of wildfire smoke kind of hanging around Madison to Milwaukee this morning.
And of course, scattered showers still continuing through this afternoon.
A few small storms could spark this evening as well.
None of them are expected to be severe, but a few rumbles of thunder and a little bit of rain there.
But we do have a high pressure system moving in and it's going to take control tomorrow and Wednesday.
It's going to brighten the skies up.
It's going to warm us up to the mid 70s tomorrow and then we'll flirt with 80 degrees on Wednesday.
So a little summer dash there in the middle of the week.
and then more rain as we close the week out, unfortunately.
Brittany, we appreciate the appearances here and we know you're all over the network.
Do you have to appear with these fellows over here, John and Gordy, every so often?
I
do.
Every single morning.
I love
them.
They're hoot.
Oh, well, then we can check.
John, Gordy, how would you grade Ms.
Merleau there with her forecast presentation today?
We couldn't do without
have weather in Madison.
She's excellent.
You know, Pat, I was a TV weatherman for 20 years, but I retired from that business more than 10 years ago.
And I got to tell you, Brittany does just a fantastic job.
She's right on top of the weather, not only for Madison, but for the whole state here.
So we really, it's great to have her with us every morning.
Oh, thank
you guys.
You
best.
Brittany knows I got my start as a, as a TV weather person on the college TV station at UW Eau Claire was my very first appearance.
And, and Brittany, when, when a listener discovered that there is a YouTube, there's a clip on YouTube of that with my big eighties hair way out to here.
And, you know, I probably weighed a hundred pounds at the time.
And, uh, it just reminds Brittany of just how far she's come and how much better she is than all the rest of us and how lucky we are to have her.
Thank you, Brittany.
You got to love that though.
That was
all.
school news bloopers or just, you know, when you're first starting out, they're, they're the best.
I don't,
I don't know what you're talking about.
My voice wasn't cracking at all.
I think all the
bars did.
Even the females out
of
nervousness, you know what I mean?
You got that camera pointed at you.
Oh, it happened.
It's scary.
Yeah.
But then, then you get, you know, you turn into old pros, um, through time and experience and a dose of cynicism will get you through a lot of things here.
Thank
Well,
They were the Velcro.
Yes, they were.
They were styrofoam, painted styrofoam.
And then we would put the Velcro letters on there, the H or the L in the little fronts.
I'm a little jealous.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah, OG technology.
Brittany.
Have
right, we'll see you later.
All right.
John and Gordy are with us now from WMDX in Madison.
And so folks know that we talk to people throughout the Civic Media radio network throughout the course of the week.
We talked to Melissa Kay on Wednesdays from WFHR.
For example, we've got James Kelly on Earl Ingram is on.
And now we've finally been able to make arrangements for some time for John and Gordy to visit with us and talk about things that they are talking about on their Madison show.
But before we can get to you know the Madison show and show topics and everything since we haven't had John this program yet We'd like to know just a little bit more about you guys It's John Peterson and Gordie young and they've been known as John and Gordie since was it 1964 when did you guys get started?
almost take us back to when the earth cooled and how this all got started
Right.
And that had to do with me having radio shows here in Madison at different stations and they get fired from one move on to another.
And Gordy followed that career and we met finally at a TV station, Fox 47 started up a new station here in town and he was the promotion director and we ran into each other at their grand opening.
That's when we first met.
That's when we first met.
Yes, for a couple of years after that, we started working together.
But I hired John to do some voiceover work at the TV station.
And that's how we got started.
And we started doing a movie show on weekends late late night movie show where we did little things in between the commercials, little vignettes and
but you know
oh
Yeah, do you know though of all the people you know who tell stories about first jobs and all that does there's nobody out there that has stories quite like
early radio stories like my first station was WA QE and Rice Lake and it was in, you know, kind of an old duplex or something WBKV and West Bend.
You're
in
this basement studio where, you know, they didn't have anybody to clean the toilets or the bathrooms or anything.
So, you know, you everybody had to pitch in.
Everybody's got some story about, you know, those those first radio jobs and how how unique they are when you
going.
Yeah, my first station was WNNO in Wisconsin Dells, and that was a wonderful place to start out because we had a window on the street, you know, we were right downtown.
And of course in the summertime, it was just crazy tourists coming by and banging on the window and trying to get your attention.
But like you said,
You do everything, you know, you do everything from empty, the waste baskets to sweep the floors to, you know, doing some commercials.
We wised up
you
You know, you mentioned the the late night movie thing and that that actually ties into how I met my wife.
I feel like I should turn to the girls, my daughters and go how I met your mother was I was working at the the college TV station, the aforementioned one, and was again hosting
in kind of the late night movie thing.
And I signed off after the movie saying, well, I'll see you down on Water Street, which of course is, you know, in Eau Claire
where
all the college kids go and met her in a bar and she said, oh yeah, I saw you on TV there.
And she was there with a girlfriend of hers and I was there with a guy friend of mine who were dating at the time.
And Sherry and I just kind of got to talking, not realizing that our friends were having a disagreement about something and broke up.
right in
front of
us.
And
each left.
And we neither one of us was a good enough friend to go with our friend.
We were like talking to each other.
So we just kind of kept talking after that.
And we're still talking 41 years later here.
So
with a late night at the movies.
was that the extent of TV work for you then?
Think about Wayne's world.
It was kind of like, yeah.
Yeah.
And our show, we, we invited all the other DJs from other radio stations, competing stations, uh, all the other TV, local TV people that come on this cable access show.
And it was pretty fun.
And we, and we had local bands and we did that show once a week for a couple of years, local
Cassandra asks on YouTube, do you know where exactly you were in the Dells?
I'm wondering what's replaced your studio.
I grew up there.
It's funny, I stopped in there a couple of years ago, and the layout is exactly the same, where the rooms, where the studio was, everything else, it's just filled with cigars and accessories.
But that's where it was.
Yeah, right next to, right
Right next to Fisher's Bar, if you know where that is in Wisconsin Dells.
So, Cassandra, there you have it.
there.
Yeah.
All right.
we're talking to John and Gordy.
You can hear him six to eight AM in the Madison area and WMDX or of course, through the Civic Media app as well, getting to know a bit about them before we talk about some of the things that they do on their show.
So guys, family in town, kids, grandkids, great grandkids, you guys might be a very fertile
I'll tell you what, I've got two Gen Zers living at my home.
One lives upstairs in our apartment that we have in our home.
And the other lives downstairs in an apartment that we also rent out at one time.
So they're both living at home.
I hear from them all the time.
They keep me updated on all the latest news.
I keep them updated on all their tech with the money I make.
And it's a wonderful arrangement.
I love having them around.
You know, that's great.
It's great stuff.
Yeah.
And I live in Madison.
My daughter lives over in Fort Atkinson about 45 minutes east of here.
And my son lives in South Bend, Indiana.
He's got a business there working at an art supply place or an art house, I guess you would say.
And so I don't really have family locally here in Madison, but not too far away.
All right.
We are talking to John and Gordy and still ahead.
We're going to be talking to Emily Pritzkow from the Building Trades Council about growing apprenticeships in Wisconsin.
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Tomorrow on the program, of course, Dan Schaefer from the Recombobulation Area will be teasing a big column that he's going to be publishing tomorrow.
And then we'll also have Chad Holmes from 98.9 WXE Open Wausau talking about stories that he's doing for Civic Media and the people that he's talking to up in the Wausau area on Wednesday.
We'll do that with Earl Ingram from Southeast Wisconsin.
and also Melissa K from the Wisconsin Rapids area.
But now to our Madison area where we have hired two new intrepid correspondents to talk about what's happening around there.
That of course would be John and Gordy, John Peterson and Gordy Young from WMDX there in Madison.
Their show 6 to 8 that you can hear on the radio in Madison or of course through the Civic Media app.
How long of a hiatus or whatever was it before you started doing the show on Civic Media again?
Okay, so like so you looked at the Eagles 14 years.
I
I did I did tell the story about how my first job up in rice Lake out of college ended up being done.
A talk show at the at the lunch counter of heckles big steer and getting breakfast out of that deal.
Hey, there's the aforementioned Catherine Lake now.
to defend her
honor.
Gordy actually finally for the first time admitted that they really did start my career.
I was on the community radio station with about 18 listeners and they would call me from the commercial radio station, WMAD, just to talk to me while I'm doing my show on, we simulcast.
got time on a commercial radio station and then they got fired and I took their job.
And
then
she
away.
like how she knows how to do that.
I'm not putting on headphones quite low.
I don't want to hear your retort.
I'm just going to say what I got to say and I'm going to move on from there.
That's
Yeah,
they're there.
That's one way to go about it helps.
You know, yeah.
I mean, it's like when the when the party, the host just turns off the lights, you know, and everything and it's up to the guests to figure out, I guess the party's done.
I
Yeah.
When you're doing a show in Madison, you know, folks all are all around the state probably think there's a lot of fertile ground there.
And I would imagine
both ways that you've got, you've got, you know, your your quirky people.
But I know from I've lived there briefly and served as a legislator, you also have some of the most kind, some of the kindest, most big hearted people, you know, you'll ever meet are in that area as well.
Do you do you think of the show more as like an interview show, a call in show or more like storytelling about, you know, things that you see and do in the Madison area?
Well, I think it's more like storytelling.
couple, maybe one.
Wait, no, maybe every once in a while we we we coke somebody to give us the call with money.
But you know, we actually like to tell stories and kind of, you know, give
uh the temperature of what this town is all about and what the state is all about and the temperature of the country and and and you know the ice problem out in california we're talking about this morning we also talked about ron johnson and his ties to china which is something i found out from a milwaukee magazine urban milwaukee from bruce murphy he wrote about
Ron Johnson's ties to China making a lot of money there while he's been senator So yeah, we touch on a lot of different things here.
What's going on at the Capitol now that the the Republicans are back in session
there,
So isn't isn't it interesting that after he won that we we all at civic media had to get together and you know figure out there there is a there is a path there where you're not all doom and gloom and people get mad and depressed and they want to tune out and on the other hand if you can't ignore it entirely because these are important issues that are going on and other times I mean
You're right.
It's like a clown car and, you know, where they, the paperwork mistakes, the court mistakes, the, you know, the things that.
in our in our previous lifetimes, which wasn't that long ago, would get you fired or impeached or convicted.
And now it's just that's just part of the show.
It's just the show, you know,
that
here we
And yet, here we are with no shortage of content.
John and Gordy, great to talk to you.
We'll talk to you next week.
Thank
Have a great day.
Coming up next, we're going to talk to Emily Pritzkow a bit about the building trades and apprenticeships here live from Lake Wissota.
What a great place to spend part of your mornings.
I'm Pat Crightlow.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Tomorrow on the program we'll have Dan Schaefer from the Recombobulation Area and if you're not already following him at his site or on sub-stack or through civic media, you're really ought to.
His political writings are
very informative about what people are doing in the capital and elsewhere and he'll have a column tomorrow that focuses on next year's governor's race that you're going to want to know about.
We'll talk to Dan during the 8 a.m.
hour tomorrow and then he'll be filling in for Maggie Dawn tomorrow afternoon along with Angela Lang and by that time he will have published his column and talk all about the contents of this week's writings which are very noteworthy indeed.
Time to talk now about the building trades and the labor shortage in Wisconsin Emily Pritzkow is here executive director of Wisconsin building trades and we're gonna be focusing on a New report a new study about the the value of the building trades, especially Union training in addressing the Wisconsin labor shortage Emily Pritzkow.
Good morning.
How are you?
That's nice to have you here.
And what prompted this was a new report by the Midwest Economic Policy Institute and the Project for Middle Class Renewal, looking at the skilled trades and union affiliated apprenticeship programs.
And we want to make sure we make that distinction here because of the role that it plays in the quality of training that you get.
But let's just talk about it from a general standpoint first.
that the building trades, to what degree are they doing, pun intended, the heavy lifting to solve the skilled labor crisis in our state?
We are
punching all above our weight when it comes to solving that skilled labor crisis.
That study you referenced, which I think came out in the last month or so, highlighted what in the trades I think has been a pretty well-known fact, which is that
Three out of every four apprentice in Wisconsin that's doing construction apprenticeship is a union apprentice.
96% of funding that goes into construction apprenticeship comes from the union trades.
So when it comes to driving the next generation of skilled workers,
We're doing it all.
We're carrying that weight, as you said, and we're doing it really well in delivering amazing outcomes for contractors, for end users on these projects for communities.
And it's happening because you're seeing historic investments in infrastructure through the bipartisan infrastructure law in renewable energy.
through the Inflation Reduction Act, and just through the recovery that came from the pandemic, the increase in domestic manufacturing.
Now, current events notwithstanding, we know that the Trump administration is trying to put the brakes on all of those things, but there are already so many things in the pipeline right now that are underway that really underscore the significance of there is still work to be had.
in the skilled trades and in the construction trades overall, right Emily?
Yes.
We are putting on people as fast as we can get them into our apprenticeship programs.
That includes, I want to say this early on, the average age of our apprentice is usually between 27 and 30ish.
It fluctuates every year, but this is a great opportunity for people who maybe are not super happy with the career they're in right now and are looking for
pension, gold standard health insurance, a flexible schedule, the ability to work with your brain and your hands, and by the way, to make an amazing living.
And that was another highlight of the study that we can touch on later is the compensation for these jobs.
But for all those reasons, there is a need there.
We're filling it as fast as we can.
We work with our contractor partners every day to do that.
with end users, but yeah, these are fantastic careers and there is a need, an evergreen need for them.
Let me give a couple of the takeaways here from that Midwest Economic Policy Institute.
As of 2022, there were more than 8,500 construction apprentices enrolled in union programs.
The union programs account for 96% of apprenticeship investments.
There's a
Like you said, a strong economic outcome.
Union journey workers earn a median wage of $41 an hour.
That's 41% more than their non-union counterparts.
And so again, there's going to be need for skilled trades and construction all over.
But this report really seems to affirm that, you know, you get what you pay for and that it's these union-trained apprenticeships that are providing the most bang for the buck.
Correct.
Another thing the study shows, no knocks on the UW system, but the typical construction journey worker is making, I believe, 24% more than someone with a bachelor's degree from a UW system school.
And they're making 5% more than someone with a master's degree from a UW system school.
So yeah, it's pretty incredible.
I think the trades have always been sold as this alternative to someone who maybe a four-year degree is not a good fit for them, but we're really competing or exceeding the outcomes for those other career
paths.
talking now with Emily Pritzker, who's the executive director for the Wisconsin Building Trades Council.
There's another part of the report that is certainly worth noting.
And that is the difference between states that have something called prevailing wage and states that don't.
So before we explain the difference, let's talk about what prevailing wage is and whether Wisconsin has it or not.
Yes, so prevailing wage in general, it can be very complicated the way it's calculated, so I won't go into that.
But it's basically a survey that is done of wages paid to workers in similar roles within a similar area or region, and it serves as a compensation floor for construction workers.
It basically ensures that there's a baseline for compensation benefits, all that is taken into effect.
And then it ensures our workers are fairly compensated for their work and that they're earning a wage that allows them to support themselves and their families.
A natural byproduct of that with prevailing wage is you generally have the funds from those prevailing wages staying in those communities.
It increases the hiring of local workers in general.
And it has all kinds of other beneficial outcomes you can guess.
when you are coming to an industry that does have an aspect of it that underpays, misclassifies workers and tells them that we are going to set a floor here, we're going to set a minimum wage for these construction workers, and this is what you're going to pay them, and it's going to be family supporting.
And unfortunately, in Wisconsin, that was repealed under Governor Walker, so we are not operating in a world here where we're prevailing wage exists.
On federal projects, it still exists.
and it leads to those outcomes we see today.
And as the study pointed out, these amazing numbers we're seeing for apprenticeship with outcomes, with completion, we could grow those at a much faster rate when you compare to our neighboring states.
if we were to restore prevailing wage here in Wisconsin.
Another way to think of it is you know essentially you've got Wisconsin construction workers who are used to making so much but you know with without prevailing wage you essentially risk you know some out-of-state company coming in and I'm just gonna
pick on Alabama could be any any place but they bring in out of state workers at a much much lower wage and then of course they take those earnings and they go back to Alabama or wherever they're from and they don't get the multiplier effect that you would with Wisconsin workers that are being paid a fair wage for living in Wisconsin but yeah with with Scott Walker and Republicans repealing that a number of years back the study says that while apprenticeships are growing in Wisconsin they are lagging
compared to the neighboring states that still have their prevailing wage laws, essentially just reaffirming the value of having prevailing wage laws on the books, Emily.
Exactly.
And you made a really important point, which I think was a driving factor behind prevailing wage or the Davis Bacon Act when it was established is like, when we are building these massive federal or whatever state infrastructure projects in a certain area, that area should benefit and they should benefit from
workers in that area and employers in that area being able to compete to secure that work.
They should benefit from workers that train on that job because as we know registered apprenticeship is basically a five-year long mentored training and those people that are learning the skills on that job should be able to be from that area and stay in that community and bring their skills and their training to other areas of work.
you also hit on the point of all the businesses in that area benefit when it is, when our workers are from that area, when they spend money in that area, when they stay in that area.
And a lot of the promises that were made when prevailing wage was repealed, that there would be increased beds, that projects would be done faster or cheaper, that has not come to pass.
It
just hasn't happened.
And I think you can guess why when you talk about training and wages and all those other reasons.
Our workers are more productive, they're better trained, they're faster.
Exactly.
And so one other aspect, because some folks hearing this might think, well, what?
This is just union bosses pushing their weight around.
No, this is about doing things in partnership.
And this same report that we're talking about found that joint labor management programs affiliated with building trades unions are attracting the lion's share of new workers to two careers in the industry.
And one of the economists who co authored the study
How did he put he said the data makes clear that the joint labor management system is punching well above its weight to deliver the skilled workforce supply that Wisconsin's construction industry needs and the job quality that its economy demands and so in an era Emily when You've got politicians always working to exacerbate divisions and that would include divisions between you know labor and management The evidence is clear that when labor and management are partners in apprenticeships and in building
It is a win-win.
Correct.
I mean, that's another point that I think is really valuable is that we are different than other union structures you may see.
The majority of our relationships with our signatory contractors or contractor partners, they are coming to us because we supply a highly skilled workforce that they
view is a successful aspect of their business.
So they are choosing to sign collective bargaining agreements with us, to sit down with us at the bargaining table and figure out a way to get a win-win when it comes to funding our training programs, when it comes to supporting the workers that work on these job sites and accessing the manpower they need.
So we're a good deal all around for them and they are choosing to come to the bargaining table to work with us.
And so looking forward as we look at things like the Wisconsin legislature, the state budget process, other legislation they could be working on, are there any things there that would continue to show support for union apprenticeship programs?
You know, I guess that brings another important point that we haven't even talked about.
We fully fund our programs with zero taxpayer dollars.
They are funded in those collective bargaining agreements.
through our members taking contributions, a small contribution from every dollar they earn and contractors at the bargaining table, figuring out what that looks like and putting it into a training fund.
So we are 100% privately funded to provide this training to the workforce.
That being said, we talked about the damage that prevailing wage is doing to the workforce here in Wisconsin and our ability to be as successful as we can be on these projects.
But
Also, expanding access to what we call readiness programs would be a great thing to look at.
Especially when it comes to getting folks into trades that have not historically been in our trades, that would be a great thing to look at.
Protecting apprenticeship as it is right now.
Good thing to support.
Good things to support.
Plural.
Emily Pritzker, Executive Director for Wisconsin Building Trades.
Emily, thank you so much for the visit.
We learned a lot.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Pat.
All right.
And when we come back, we'll hear from Jane McNair about what's coming up on her show along with Greg Bach right after this on the Civic Media Radio Network.
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He is still around.
I think he's still prepping.
He's prepping.
He's prepping.
See, I know what you mean, like getting the stories and the material and everything, but I wonder how many people hear that.
It's like, oh, he's still at the makeup mirror.
You know,
just got to get everything just so, you know.
That's yes.
That's how always our biggest concern on the
radio.
Yes.
Making sure we're fluffed.
Having that just right.
You told me during the break, you were a slug over the weekend.
How cool is that?
I was the slug of slugs.
I did some stuff on Saturday.
I did some errands and I went to the grocery store and I went to the library, which is like my once a week happy place.
Now
I
love going to the library.
And yesterday I did not a Zippo zero.
I read books.
and I doom scrolled and that was pretty much my Sunday.
That was ours was a lot like that because of course we'd had the Portugal trip and then Idaho last week for our grandson's graduation and so we were like nothing we're doing virtually nothing you know a couple things that you need to do we did you know did some weaning and and mowing and things like that but otherwise we didn't take on
anything extra.
And I think to do that, and I don't mean to throw my wife under a bus, but I did have to say repeatedly heading into the weekend, we're not going to do too much.
We're not going to do too much.
We're not gonna, because it
starts up,
you know, it's, and I know that sounds like the lazy husband thing, but what happens is, you know, it starts with a little bit of weeding.
And
then the
next thing you know, you're rebuilding one of the wood piles, and then you're doing this, and then suddenly you are more exhausted than if you don't.
done a regular workday.
So the point I was trying to make is all things in moderation.
Just little bits.
Yes.
Little bits.
And get something done here.
Jenny putting on YouTube.
Doing nothing is my favorite.
And Tony putting it.
Oh, you went to camp sit on my couch too.
Yes.
Thank you for that because I'm one of those.
I always feel bad.
It's like, because you look around and it's like, I know I should do that.
Speaking of weeding, I know I should do that.
I know I should affect, I should do something about this pile of papers on my kitchen table, which has been there for four months.
No, I'm not going to do that now.
It'll be there later.
I was going to say, it'll still be there.
That's the thing, you
know?
What do you have on the program today?
Well, we do have Mr. Global scheduled for 9.30.
Unfortunately, I am still waiting for a confirmation from him, so we will see whether or not that comes to fruition.
We are efforting Mr. Global.
Mr. Global, Matt Randolph, an oil and gas industry expert, supposed to be joining us after 9.30.
And then in hour number two, State Representative Christian Phelps will be here.
We're going to talk about education among many, many other things.
Later on in the show, Pat, at 10.30, it's a segment we called Audio Sorbet, where we try to lighten things up a little bit and get away from the news.
Our question today for Audio Sorbet is, what is the dumbest way you've hurt yourself?
Oh, OK.
A lot of possibilities there.
Yeah,
especially now
as the years go on.
Yes.
There have been, yeah, there have been times where I'm like, how am I going to explain that?
Yeah, I was
just whatever.
The dumbest way you hurt yourself.
We're going to talk about that around after 1030.
And then we will wrap up the show as we always do with this.
It shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the corn clave edition.
the corn clave corn clave.
Yes, there's a visual.
There's a visual included in this.
I encourage you to stick around for that coming up at the end of our show.
Okay, and I should let folks know that on Todd Albus program, State Senator Kelder Roy is will be on around 230 Matt Rothschild is guest hosting for Maggie Dawn later today and then tune into Pete Schwab tonight as well.
And then as I'm looking ahead on on your program here, you've got
improving math scores on Wednesday?
Yes.
There is a school district in Wisconsin that has taken a different approach to how they teach math.
And I'm very excited to talk to him.
That's coming up on Wednesday.
I'm hoping that I can take a remedial course on math, essentially.
But I do think it's interesting, Pat, because everyone learns so differently.
And I'm really curious about the way that they're approaching this.
as opposed to the way that perhaps you and I were taught.
Because I got to L1 in high school, and it was like, yeah, I'm done.
I like geometry because I got to play with the protractor.
That was fun.
See, and it was geometry that killed me.
Although, I mean, the proofs.
Yeah, and I will.
I'm
so happy you just said
proofs.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
The proofs.
Yeah.
It was it was definitely a case for me and I'm not saying the teacher was wrong but it was definitely a case of I really feel I could grab this if you would slow down you know but we are we are right off onto the next unit the next unit you you felt yourself falling behind and it's such a helpless feeling when you know when you're not you know saying I'll never get this you know I'll get this just
Give me another minute or two here, you know.
Or
take it.
in a different approach.
So I'm very much looking forward to talking to this principal that is coming up on Wednesday, I believe, Brad Sturmer is going to be joining us to talk about math education.
And yeah, it gives me a chance to bring back up my protractor and my compass and play with those things.
That was a lot of fun.
I'd like making circles.
You know, and nowadays, would anybody get a protractor?
Because remember, the short
point, it'd be a weapon.
It's a
shank, you know, the protractors.
you couldn't possibly.
And of course, everybody right now younger is going, well, wait, don't I have one of those on my phone?
Your phone can do everything else.
Yeah, exactly.
Do they still have Bunsen burners in high school?
That was another thing I liked.
Oh, yeah.
Another thing I look at and go, wow, they let us do that little
explosive devices.
Yes.
There were a lot of things.
There was a lot more trust back then.
Even even baseball games.
Do you remember Bat Day?
When you got an actual Louisville Slugger bat,
if you
were going to see the Brewers or the Twins or whatever, and everybody would pound their bats, you know, on the metal stadium floor and it would get crazy out there.
And now we look up and go, would you give 25,000 people a bat?
A bat?
An actual bat going into
a
ball game?
Of course.
You would not.
Of course, they used to let us play with Jarts too.
So I was the last of six.
I figured my parents figured, yeah, if we lose one, we still got five more.
It's fine.
Amazing.
We are still alive.
Jane, Matt Nair is coming up next along with Greg Bach for Matt Nair on air.
Thank you.
Have a great start to the week.
You as well, Pat.
Thank you so much.
Take care, you guys.
All right.
We'll see you at Parker.
Thank you so much.
As always.
Have a great day.
We'll see you at six a.m.
tomorrow.
Hope we'll see all the rest of you here as well.
We'll be talking to Dan Schaefer, talking to Chad Holmes from Wausau as well.
I'm Pat Critello, founding editor of UpNorth News.
UpNorth News is the Wisconsin digital outlet for curiery, pro-democracy news network.
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