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Sitting in for Pat Critello, we have Matt Rothschild and Angela Lang.
Good morning and welcome to Mornings with Pat Critello, as Greg said.
I'm not Pat Critello, I'm Matt Rothschild.
Angela and I have been with you the last few mornings, and this is our last morning of the week, but it's been a lot of fun, Angela.
How are you doing this morning?
Absolutely.
No, you were saying before we came on air that there's a lot of fog in the Milwaukee area.
Do you want to alert our listeners?
It's hard to even see down your block.
So, you know, as folks know, we talked with Brittany yesterday, there is a storm moving in and it's been foggy and weird the last few days.
There's a dense fog advisory, I believe, in Milwaukee until about 10 a.m.
So hopefully things will kind of lighten up a little bit after that once the song comes up.
But yeah, be careful on your way in.
Make sure you are taking your time, especially our Madison folks on the belt line.
We know that there's always something, right?
And if you're on the freeways and whatnot, just slow down, take your time and make sure you have your lights on.
And there is always something I'm driving in on MM rimrock road just south of the belt line.
The person in front of me was so far off the lane, almost hitting one mailbox after another, I finally had to honk my horn.
I'm sure the person who was texting or drunk, one or the other.
And it was just amazing.
You know, it's 5.30 in the morning to be that out of it.
I had to keep my distance.
I'd wanted to pass, but there wasn't a good place to pass.
Yeah, it's crazy out there driving for sure.
The fog in madison is not as bad as it was yesterday There was some fog in low-lying marshy kind of areas, but other than that It was uh, it was pretty clear driving except for the crazy drivers, of course.
And then there's
Yeah, definitely true when I take 90 once you get past jamesville and You know in bluit and you get into illinois and then they're going, you know
95.
Yeah, it's just moving around at crazy speeds.
Yeah, it's not out there.
We've started most of the mornings with the Judge Dugan story in Milwaukee versus the judge who's been arrested by the Trump federal authorities for allegedly not cooperating when they were trying to apprehend
an undocumented person in the courtroom, in her courtroom, raises all sorts of legal issues.
I see that her attorneys have filed a motion to dismiss the case on two grounds.
One is on judicial immunity, and the other is on the 10th Amendment.
The 10th Amendment says the power is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states or reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people.
This is an amendment that doesn't get talked about a lot.
It used to be a favorite of the right wing because they wanted more states' rights, which was a cold word for not following civil rights, federal civil rights.
But here, her lawyers are bringing it in as an argument to throw it out.
It's interesting.
Her arraignment is this morning.
I guarantee you she's going to enter a plea and not guilty.
And she also has this kind of dream team of lawyers, which...
Yeah.
I mean, she has the former US Solicitor General, Paul Clements.
This was the chief lawyer for one of the Bush's Justice Department.
This is the guy who was in the US Supreme Court arguing more cases than any other lawyer, you know, during that administration.
So he's got tremendous experience.
There's a former US Attorney from Wisconsin, Stephen Biss...
who also has been appearing in court a lot, and he's going against right now a current U.S.
attorney in the Eastern District of Wisconsin.
So that's kind of funny.
And then there's Dean Strang, who's a lawyer I know.
He represented Stephen Avery in that documentary, Making a Murderer.
And he's also written about a couple books.
One was, I think, about the...
the trial in Chicago of the anarchists
back
in the late 19th century.
Really interesting guidance from great lawyers.
So anyway, I think the lawyers that Judge Dugan has, they're going to help her a lot.
The other thing that I think is going in her favor is the judge.
She's got Judge Lynn Adelman, 85-year-old liberal Democrat, was a legislator.
is a tremendous guy.
He's written articles for law journals on how bad our campaign finance system is and how the Walker administration made it a lot worse.
So I got a warm spot in my heart for Judge Edelman.
And I also think that's a good sign for Judge Dugan, at least at the trial level.
It's hard for me to believe that with those great lawyers on her team and with this decent judge that she's gonna get convicted, but who knows, you never know.
Yeah, I mean I think what I saw when I saw that she had like her legal team, you know people have reported about it I definitely thought it was a good move to have some it was either one or two former Bush kind of appointees because I think that also
sends a message, right, that there's kind of like this bipartisan, it's not like a political thing necessarily, it's just more legality.
So I think that's a good move.
Again, all of these things that we've been talking about, about her team that she has and the things that she's said and done or not done, this should be thrown out, but we are not living in normal times.
So very curious to see how today plays out.
And yesterday you mentioned that some of her supporters are gathering at the courthouse this morning.
Do you know what time that's happening?
I believe some folks are gathering maybe around 7.30 or so.
But folks have been making appearances at the courthouse.
Even the day that the news broke, I was in some group chats and people were like, we're going to the courthouse.
So people were mobilizing.
And I think this is the opportunity for folks again to show their support.
And I think people feel strongly.
about this, folks that maybe don't go to regular protest and rallies are showing up for this because I think they see kind of like the gross mischaracterization of her and her actions.
And people know Judge Duke and she's relatively quiet, keeps to herself, sends out emails for things that are like happy Constitution Day, right?
She's not really in the political mix.
And so I think a lot of people feel for her and I think there's going to be a lot of folks that are showing up at the courthouse today.
Yeah, so I want to encourage anyone who's in Milwaukee who's got a little bit of free time in the next hour to also down to the courthouse and show support for the judge who has been made an example of by the Trump administration.
Let's make no mistake about it.
I mean, this was an effort to intimidate the judicial branch of our government and to tell anyone who wanted to stand in their way in any possible way just to step back and you know.
quiet down and don't get in their way.
And similarly with the brushback pitch that they threw at Governor Evers head that is Secretary of Homeland Security, Oman, who said, you know, just wait till you see what's coming next when all Governor Evers did was tell all state employees that if ICE comes knocking on your door.
Call one of our attorneys first before you give him anything, which is just pretty standard.
Yeah, he didn't.
He wasn't saying, hey, go sneak people downstairs in a personal tunnel.
He was not saying that.
I think, you know, a lot of times that we've seen this play out in the federal government, when those tries to come in and say, give me all of your data or what have you, their guidance is do not and call your lawyer.
I think that's the same guidance we give citizens as well.
Do not talk to the cops.
Call a lawyer, right?
It's the same thing.
So it was really interesting to see such like a strong response to Governor Evers.
And it just, I think to me, just sent a signal that this is all for theatrics.
They're trying to make a point and they're trying to have a chilling effect of getting people to comply.
And I think they know that the legal community is
I don't want to say carrying of this work, right?
Everyone has a role to play.
But I think folks have seen that there is a strong legal opposition to the Trump administration.
So it makes sense that he started targeting, you know, judges, lawyers, et cetera.
All part of an attack on civil society, and that's what authoritarians do.
You know, they go after the legislative branch.
They go after the judicial branch.
They go after universities.
They go after lawyers.
And they'll go after labor unions, they're gonna go after everybody who might try to resist.
And of course, we all need to resist here before they accumulate more power and start exercising more of it, which is what I'm scared of, of course.
And this has been a theme over the last couple of days where you and me, Angela, when we come on is just the fate of our democracy.
How are we gonna survive it?
And I keep thinking back to the scholars of fascism, those folks who are thinking of leaving the country.
There was that op-ed in the New York Times yesterday, a video op-ed of three scholars, including Timothy Snyder and Stanley from Yale and Shor from Yale, who are all going to Toronto now.
And then yesterday I saw a quote about...
Trump and his corruption, you know, this ridiculous $400 million plane from Qatar
that
he wants to have donated to the army and then his presidential library.
And I saw Ruth Ben-Giat on her, she's a scholar of fascism at NYU.
She wrote the book Strong Men.
She's been really great on this and she's got a sub-stack called Lucid.
And this is what she wrote about corruption.
I'm just gonna read two paragraphs of it because it just caught my attention.
Corruption is a key to authoritarianism because for strong men, public has nothing to do.
Public office has nothing to do with public service.
Ooh, that's kind of a startling statement, isn't it?
It is rather a vehicle for private enrichment as well as escaping prosecution for crimes.
Authoritarians use corruption in tandem with violence, propaganda, and other tools.
purges of the judiciary, which is what we've been talking about, result in a justice system that exonerates crooks or doesn't prosecute them at all.
Journalists and activists who might expose thievery are imprisoned or smeared through propaganda.
Virility makes taking what you want and getting away with it into the measure of manhood.
This is the hyper, I'm interjecting, the hyper-masculinity that is a part of Trump.
We saw it at the convention.
We see it all the time.
It's a feature of fascism.
Continuing with Ruth Ben-Ghia.
Authoritarians also create new patronage systems that offer jobs and opportunities for wealth, which help to overcome any moral hesitation some might have about collaborating.
That's all the IT billionaires that are on board.
The core of the contract between the ruler and his enablers, she concludes, is the offer of power and economic gain in exchange for supporting his violent actions in his suppression of civil rights.
That's Ruth Ben-Ghia at NYU in the sub-stack called Lucid, which I highly recommend too.
Any listener?
It sounds, you know, that's exactly what's happening right now.
And I think what's interesting is to talk about how they're not doing these policies just because they're this part of their agenda.
Absolutely.
But they, as you said, Matt, they're trying to.
Set up structures and institutions to maintain and gain more power And I think that part is being lost because this is more of a long-term thing of how they acquire power versus Oh, we're just doing policies that we think are the best for the the American people And I don't people are just I don't want to say distracted people are trying to respond to the immediate threats that maybe Don't see the broader threat of all of these things lead up to him acquiring more power
Yeah, that's what it's all about.
That's Angela Lang.
She's my co-host.
I'm Matt Rothschild.
We're sitting in here on Mornings with Pat Crichtlow.
We'll be right back to talk about two Wisconsin Congress people who stood up yesterday to RFK Jr.
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Welcome back morning to Pat Cridlow, Pat's on vacation again today and I'm Matt Rothschild.
I'm still with you this morning as I was yesterday morning and so is Angela Lang.
We've been co-hosting all week and I hope you've been enjoying it.
We've certainly been enjoying the opportunity and the luxury of being with you.
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Now, as I mentioned right before the break, we had some excellent representation here in Wisconsin on Capitol Hill yesterday as Representative Mark Pocan and Senator Tammy Baldwin kind of scuffed up RFK Jr.
We're going to listen to a little audio of both.
Let's start with Mark Pocan.
For measles?
Probably for measles.
I, you know, what I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant.
I've directed J. Bottichara.
Sure.
No,
everybody can make that decision.
But I, you
I don't want to be seen like I'm being evasive.
Yeah.
But
think people should be taking advice, medical advice
if I answer that question directly, that it will seem like I'm giving advice to other people, and I don't want to be doing that.
I want
What I think what we're going to try to do is to lay out.
the pros and cons, the risks and benefits accurately as we understand them
studies.
Again, I don't want to give advice.
I can tell you in Europe they don't use the chickenpox vaccine specifically.
because the preclinical trial shows that when you inoculate the population from chicken pox, you get shingles
There was Mark Polkan being Wisconsin nice, but really.
put an RFK junior in a box.
Basic
I really enjoyed it actually.
Let's listen to Tammy who was tougher than usual and I appreciate that about her.
Secretaries Kennedy, I want to start with what I hope is an easy question for you.
Do you think lead poisoning in children is a significant concern?
Is
lead poisoning?
a significant concern.
It's a extremely significant concern.
Thank you.
Then I would like to know why your department has effectively shut down the very program to address lead poisoning in children.
The city of Milwaukee requested assistance from the CDC to help the city respond to lead poisoning cases tied to public schools.
Six schools
have been closed, displacing more than 1,800 school children.
The request for federal assistance was denied because of lack of staff.
The entire childhood lead poisoning branch has been fired.
In the words of a Milwaukee mom, it really sends a message of, you don't matter.
I
don't know what you would say to parents who must now test their children for lead and deal with school closures.
Do you intend to eliminate this branch at CDC, yes or no?
No, we do not.
OK.
Because you cannot tell us that you want to make America healthy again when you are willfully destroying programs that keep children safe and healthy from lead poisoning.
Congress dedicated $51 million in funding for this particular program.
but when a community asks for help to prevent lifelong complications for children and there was no one there to pick up the phone and it's not because this program is ineffective, it's because you fired the entire team whose job it is to support communities like Milwaukee.
Yeah, Tammy, really bringing it home.
That was great representation by our
U.S.
Senator Tammy Baldwin.
Not Ron Johnson, mind you.
That was Tammy Baldwin.
And she, you know, that is someone who is recognizing what's going on in her state, representing her constituents who are being harmed terribly by the decisions of the Trump administration, by the decisions of RFK Jr.
himself, and really putting it to them.
And it was so refreshing to hear both Tammy Baldwin and Mark Pocan just lay it out and
and put RFK Jr.
on the spot, we need to be putting all these Trump officials on the spot.
But it was great to see our own elected officials doing it, didn't you think, Angela?
Yeah, Senator Baldwin was on MSNBC last night, kind of reiterating some of the same points that we just played.
And it particularly struck me because, again, as a proud product of Milwaukee public schools and a lifelong Milwaukee in.
There's jokes of if you lived in Milwaukee enough and you drank the tap water, you probably got some sort of lead in you, right?
Because it's become so normalized.
And so to hear someone like Senator Baldwin really listen to the mothers and parents and families of what's happening in MPS and these school closures, and then to be able to amplify it and call the question to the man's face is something that we need more of.
And that's why I felt strongly to play that part, because I think there's a lot of MPS parents that are concerned.
Don't think people are responding adequately.
And yes, Dems are in the minority, but this is how you use your platform.
This is how when you have an audience to try and hold someone accountable.
So I'm very proud of our representatives.
And if they're listening by chance, good job.
Keep it up.
More of this, please.
Yeah, that's accountability, the kind of accountability we need.
And I want to encourage listeners to call Tammy Baldwin, Mark Boken's office and thank them for what they did.
The number is 202-225.
3121.
That's area code 202-225-3121.
That's the Capitol Hill switchboard.
And just say you want to talk to Tammy Baldwin staff or talk to Mark Pokan staff and thank them for the great job they did yesterday.
You're listening to Morning to Pet Brightlow.
He's on vacation this week.
I'm Matt Rothschild.
She's Angela Lang.
We'll be with you right after the break with Pastor Walter Jack Lanier of Milwaukee.
Hey, welcome back to Mornings with Pat right now all across the Pacific Media Radio Network.
Pat's on vacation this weekend.
Angela Lange and I, I'm Matt Rothschild.
Have been subbing in for him.
We're always in the bullpen ready, called in when needed.
And we've been enjoying this opportunity and I want to thank Pat for giving us this opportunity and Pacific Media for that matter, for allowing us to come on the air and to be with you.
And right now with us is a Pastor Walter Jack Lanier.
He is the senior pastor of the Progressive Baptist Church in Milwaukee.
He's a civil rights activist and a pillar of the community having taught for 14 years at MATC in Milwaukee and serving as chair of the Milwaukee County Pension Board as well as being on the boards of Managed Health Services, Legacy Bank, and Citizen Action of Wisconsin.
Pastor Lanier, welcome to the show.
Always good to be here, great to be here with two dynamic personalities, and Angela Lang and yourself.
I'm honored and privileged to share space with you two.
It's our pleasure.
You know, we're Facebook friends, Pastor, and I always try to look at your postings.
And you posted something the other day that I didn't know was happening in the...
in here in Wisconsin.
I'm just going to read from that post and I want to get your reaction to it.
White supremacist flyers have been distributed across Wisconsin in Fitchburg, and that's right near where I live.
Milwaukee, Whitewater, McGwanaggo, Hartford, West Bend, Mequon, where I have a sister-in-law.
Cedarburg, Grafton, and Germantown.
They appear in plastic bags, weighted with pellets.
left on porches and driveways under cover of night.
Some come from the neo-Nazi Aryan Freedom Network.
Others are fake mass deportation notices designed to intimidate immigrant communities.
This isn't just hateful you posted.
It's strategic.
It's psychological warfare, you said, and it's meant to make us feel unwelcome, unsafe, and alone.
That's pretty dramatic.
I didn't know it's going on and it's disgusting.
And how'd you hear about this?
I'm just a voracious consumer of news.
I gobble up stuff every morning just to see what's going on to try to get a sense for the big picture.
And so I just saw several stories over the course of the past month or so about
these flyers showing up and so I went and pulled them all together and I saw here's a list of spaces and places where this is transpiring here in Wisconsin.
And what does it tell you about Wisconsin or about the political moment we're in?
Well,
you
know, that spirit, that evil, that vile, depraved way of thinking has never left the nation.
You know, we always have to start with that.
It's not like it was ever lovely and sweet and great.
Remember, civil rights came on the backs of death and bloodshed and protest.
We were dragged into civil rights that were not fully provided.
So that spirit has always been there.
And this recent administration, second time around, has just created the environment where people are more emboldened, more empowered to act.
and but still cowardly so they're more and bold and more empowered but still acting in a very cowardly fashion you know dropping flyers when they can't be seen so it's still it's still an act of cowardice but now they're emboldened um and so that's that's what's made it come forward we know that this this um just the violent nasty uh brutish
depraved inhumane language of this current administration and those who follow it is bringing people up from the sewer.
One of the things that we mentioned, we had Abigail On from Fair Wisconsin talking about some of the attacks on the LGBTQ plus community.
And it got into this discussion about how sometimes, you know,
Trump is doing all of these things.
They tend to get stopped or illegally blocked.
But the harm it causes in the interim and then how, as you said, it emboldens more of this interpersonal type of bigotry.
And I'm curious your thoughts of how-
Yes, there's the structural policies and legislation that we need to change and all of that and combat But also how do we start to tackle this kind of interpersonal?
Dynamic where you know after the first Trump administration we saw an increase in hate crimes for example How do we deal with that interpersonal type of level?
That's tough.
That's a great question because you know what happens in in
People are cowards by themselves, and then they become emboldened in crowds, you know, you know that from when you were in 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th grade.
And so we have to speak up swiftly in spaces where BS or violence or threats or antagonism or harsh words or, you know, jokes are lifted up.
We have to be vigilant.
for ourselves and for others.
So I've got to speak up for you.
You've got to speak up for me.
I've got to speak up for Matt.
Matt's got to speak up for you.
We have to combat it and say what's out of order, what's inappropriate.
We have to be responsive.
This whole flooding of the zone policy-wise, but it's the same thing energy-wise.
It's actually why I've increased my...
pushing out content on social media, because it's one thing to see stupidity and just be disgusted and go on to the next thing, but because it's so stupid and it's so vile, it needs to be addressed on a regular basis.
That's
a good point.
I like that.
We have to speak up not only for ourselves, but for each other.
I think that's a crucial point that you make, Pastor Lanier.
That means, you know, we need to speak up for the immigrants who are under attack.
We need to speak up for the LGBT folks who are under attack.
We need to speak up for the judges who are under attack because it's just across the board right now.
And we can't get overwhelmed by it either.
That's the thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
How do you speak to people either at
in your church or in the greater movement who are just feeling so beleaguered
right
now?
Yeah, so my style of communication tends to be high in context and framing.
So I like to reframe or accurately frame narratives or disrupt foolishness.
And that helps as a pastor.
So I'm always trying to ground us in the current reality.
Here's what's going on.
I'm going to call evil evil.
I'm going to call vile vile.
I'm going to call stupid stupid.
You know and and whatever else it is and just call it out for ones because what happens is We get deluged with stuff and it is overwhelming for a lot of people understandably so and so they just get worn down and Back down and get quiet and somebody has to speak up and speak out and sometimes provide language, you know one of the One of the successes of the Trump regime
is the destruction of truth.
So everything anybody says is suspect and you don't want to call a lie a lie.
And so somebody's got to say, no, that's a lie.
No, that's not true.
That's false.
That's inaccurate.
That's garbage.
That's BS.
That's not writing.
Just keep.
Keep saying it you know not to be overly psychological, but I just had this conversation with my wife We were talking about you know, what do you do when you're dealing with a narcissist?
What do you do with you dealing with a sociopathic?
You know, and I just generally but how do you address it and you have to Be responsive you can't let things go unresponded to otherwise they stick In the mind the other thing I'll say Matt is is just my instinct is that we have to tighten up our networks or we have good
relationships, good networks, strengthen the sinew, see who are my people and draw a bit more closely and cultivate relationships so that we're stronger together.
Whatever the together is, let's strengthen that.
I know you've been working on that in the Milwaukee area with some social justice groups.
And I know Angela is working on that with a broad range of pro-democracy groups in the nonprofit sector here in Wisconsin.
I used to be part of that Wisconsin Democracy campaign.
And I think Scott Walker helped bring us closer together.
reminded us just as Trump is reminding us now that this is no time for individualistic ego games and turf wars between nonprofit pro-democracy groups or leaders.
This is time to put all that stuff on the shelf and let's work together against this huge threat that we all face.
And I think folks in Wisconsin are recognizing that and this broader movement that we all need to be a part of I think is coming together.
Angela, what's your sense of it?
Yeah, I mean as someone that's like organized in Milwaukee like my whole career it can be difficult right like and I think in organizing spaces there can be you know some egos and I think what I've noticed especially in Milwaukee is that like people can Play nice people can come together when it really matters, but it we have to find those those commonalities Same way, you know speaking for the or in my opinion from the black community.
We are not Homogenous we all do not agree and so there's some real stuff that we have to like wrestle with but
I keep saying, if we're going to be in the struggle together, then let's struggle together.
Let's have those conversations.
We don't always need to agree on everything.
But right now, there's this bigger attack on our communities.
And how are we looking inward?
And as you said, Pastor Lanier, how are we building those networks?
Because that was my instinct of, I need to take a break after the November election.
I need to process
and not
And what I noticed myself and others, we were moving inward.
We were trying to strengthen relationships, even on an interpersonal level, with our trans and undocumented friends.
Hey, we know the election went the way it did.
Know that I'm here.
But then how are we also doing that in our communities as well?
And I think it's something that we're still learning to do.
But I think the urgency of the moment allows us to be able to have those conversations.
Pastor Linear, how do you give people hope in this really tricky, difficult time?
Yeah, great question.
I want to oversimplify hope.
You know, I'm deeply grounded in that.
Its hope is a principle of hope and faith as a spiritual principle.
Historically, let me say it this way.
I'm black in America.
And America has, I'm going to give you some right now.
America has done all that it can from its inception until this very moment.
uh to destroy black people uh but we're still here and so uh we have been here before it doesn't seem like it perhaps we may forget that but if we look at historically Angela's not supposed to be here i'm not supposed to be here we're supposed to be in an institution or dead or at the bottom of the ocean or hanging from some tree you know literally or shot to death illiterate uneducated not able to read but here we are
you know, leading and gathering and so we've overcome more than this with less resources and so we need to draw back on our historical wins and fight to overcome oppression and bigotry and hatred and our ability to forge together to do what seemed impossible.
This is a tough time but we have overcome worse with less and that's where some of the focus has to come together.
pushing away some of what they're calling it church and the Bible petty disputations and really hone in on working together and strategizing together and good at the end triumphs over evil it takes a minute sometimes but it triumphs over evil I deeply believe that I think the record is
accurate thank you so much for that point
yeah
some really great point of getting over petty disputations I love that and I love all your work too as you put it disrupt foolishness that's tremendous
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We're doing this day in history.
That's why we're playing Anthony and Ivory.
That song came out on May 15th, 1932 and got to be number one if you can believe it.
So I want to talk about other moments in history on this date.
1938, Diane Nash was born.
Diane Nash is a civil rights activist who co-founded SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.
Tremendous activist.
who helped organize the nonviolent sit-ins and freedom rides in the early 1960s that led to the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
Diane Nash has visited Wisconsin before and I hope she'll come back a real leader of the Civil Rights Movement.
I wanted to give a shout out to Diane Nash.
Happy birthday!
And then I was also nosing around on the internet yesterday to see what else is noteworthy from May 15th and I found
something about a general strike in Canada.
On this day in 1919, the Winnipeg general strike occurred, and this is a strike that went on for six weeks.
It was the biggest strike in the history of Canada.
It lasted six weeks till government troops repressed the strike, riding in on horseback, firing into a crowd of strikers, killing two, and then they arrested the leaders.
So it wasn't a successful strike.
right away, but it did lead to a lot of pro-worker legislation and pro-worker organizing and actually some political organizing too.
So that was kind of an interesting thing to learn.
You know, we had Bill Fletcher Jr.
on a couple of days ago who was talking about general strikes and didn't, he knows a general strike would be a great thing, but he was doubtful that we could pull it off here since it's been decades also in the United States since there was a general strike.
Last one was in the early 30s, I think.
So anyway, that was part of history on this date of May 15th.
1940, the Nazis moved into northern France on this date.
That's something to remember.
On this date in 1970, Jackson State, on May 15th, less than two weeks after the shooting at Kent State, two black students at Jackson State,
were killed and 12 were injured when police opened fire during student demonstrations.
A lot of people just remember Kent State.
It also happened at Jackson State.
So those are some things that popped out to me on this day in history, May 15.
I wonder why we don't remember Jackson State.
Hmm.
Okay.
Just just an idle question there.
Out in the world.
All right.
Yeah.
But there you have it.
We need to remember it.
That's where I wanted to pop that one up.
Angela, Diane Nash, does that ring a bell to you?
Do you know Diane Nash's work?
When you said it, I was like, why do I know that name?
Absolutely.
Because as a student organizer myself, you kind of uncover some of that history.
And you see the intersections with the civil rights movement and the student movement specifically.
Because I was a part of an organization once upon a time called United Council, which was the oldest
a statewide student association.
It was like the closest thing that we had to a student movement or student union were each UW campus.
They had a referendum to see if they want to pay dues to United Council.
And shocker, Scott Walker gutted it in his budget repair bill, all of that.
So United Council doesn't exist any longer.
But it was really kind of digging in the archives and understanding this intersection.
between the student movement and also understanding why it continues to be attacked generation after generation.
You know students now are being attacked and what does it look like to continue to have these demonstrations and see them as like a pipeline as well for long-term organizing and activism.
Clearly Scott Walker did and that's why he gutted part of that but yeah happy birthday to her.
Yeah quite a hero of the civil rights movement and that's the thing people think civil rights movement they think
you know, Martin Luther King or, you know, they may think of one or other other two people, but it was a mass movement led by a lot of people that most Americans don't know.
Diane Nash is one of them.
We should
Yeah,
So she's someone I urge our listeners to find out a little bit more about Diane Nash still with us in her 80s right now.
Greg, do you have other musical
Notes on this anniversary.
Helps to turn my microphone on.
I do.
In 1990, Mariah Carey released her first single.
It's a ballad.
We all know we've all been to Skateland before.
Vision of love.
This is what we would call a slow skate jam match.
They announce
your crush.
You get your crush.
You hold hands and then you play red light green light after that brings back all the feels all the memories.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It went to number one and it hurt.
It was part of her becoming the best selling female artist of the 90s.
And actually, today is the day I didn't know this.
In 1940, Richard and Maurice McDonald opened up the first McDonald's restaurant, which was actually a barbecue place.
And it didn't work, so they switched to hamburgers.
And then a clown came in and ruined their lives.
As clowns do.
As they do, as they
in the multiverse the grand calculus of the multiverse And then and then in 1993 Janet Jackson went to number one with this wonderful wonderful tune.
That's the way love goes Yeah, Angela's feeling it.
I'm feeling yes.
And in 2010, Usher hits number one in America with his collaboration with Will I Am with OMG.
Giving him chart-topping hits in the 90s, the aughts, and the tens.
Way to go, Usher.
He's going places.
out for that guy.
He's fun.
I'm not worried about him.
Yeah, right?
We'll be back in a little bit here right after the break.
You're listening in mornings with Pat Crichtlow.
I'm Matt Rothschild.
She's into the Lang.
He's Greg Fox.
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