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Morning, Angela.
How are you?
I'm doing all right.
I've got my usual radio shirt on for those who are on the live stream.
It's my costume.
It's the shirt I wear whenever I speak in public.
Other than that, I wash it, put it in the closet.
That's
Oh, the birds.
I wasn't able to, I was just able to get the hummingbird feeder out and
able to get oranges out for the Orioles, but wasn't able to see any today.
I saw a black and white warbler yesterday and a red start.
and a female red star you know a red star just quick bird talk is a little warbler that's black and orange and the male and gray and orange and white in the female so it's kind of neat it jumps around like crazy though these little birds these warblers uh that's why my bro i've got three brothers we're all interested in birds growing up uh and one brother loves the little warblers and the other brother just can't
stand finding those little hoppy birds all over the place.
It's too frustrating.
So I get that.
But I live for the warblers and the warbler migration.
So I'm good with it.
And it's been a great season.
Driving in today, though, I got to say for those of you who are in Madison, heavy fog.
I mean, like 500 yards of visibility driving in.
So be careful if you're driving in Madison this morning.
I imagine it's going to lift pretty soon because it's supposed to be really warm today, 85.
But driving in from Oregon area, it was, you know, you got to have your lights on.
You can't be going too fast because you never know what's ahead of you.
And at 4 30 this morning, I was hearing sirens, I think on the belt line.
So doesn't that didn't bode well.
But yeah, I got here safe and sound.
I obeyed the speed limit for once.
when you're driving to work or driving to the market or whatever you need to do for your chores today.
Angela, I lost a bet that I made yesterday, betting that Judge Dugan would not be indicted, a betting that the old saw that prosecutors can indict anybody and succeed was going to work.
I like long bets sometimes.
And I am a poker player.
But I guess it was a stupid bet.
Fortunately, we didn't put any money on the line.
But
Poor Judge Dugan.
I mean, I just think this is outrageous the way she's been prosecuted here by the Trump administration.
What's your reaction?
I happened to be on a ACLU board call wearing a different hat, completely different hat when I got the news.
And I feel like everyone's faces kind of all noticed at the same time when we got the news.
So I had to double check.
had to confirm that's what i was reading because i also felt that i didn't think it was gonna happen right but i think that's part of the lesson here that we need to learn is that we need to be prepared for the worst um and as ridiculous or outlandish it may seem all options all cards how ridiculous or out of touch they may feel are actually on the table right now and i think that's like a lesson
For me, and I've said this before, I'm like, if this was normal circumstances, I feel confident, but this is not a normal playing field.
So I have no idea what's going to happen.
But I, in my gut, I thought it was not going to happen at all.
And it came down real fast because yesterday when we were on the air, I was wondering, I'm not a lawyer.
I'd got a lot of lawyers in my family.
I just escaped the law by the skin of my teeth.
I don't know about you.
Do you ever think you're going to law school, Angela?
it's a long road, for sure, an expensive road.
But yeah, I was saying yesterday, I don't know how long it takes a grand jury to come up with a decision.
I didn't think it was going to happen in a day, but
was.
And then it's my understanding, she's back tomorrow to enter a plea.
And I know some folks are, you know, going to be rallying in support in the morning at the courthouse, but it's, I think that's also another lesson is like.
Things are also moving very quickly.
And we've talked about this a couple times of how fast we're getting to the scary moments.
And I think we're also seeing that, I think, play out in this case, too, about how quickly it's moving.
Again, not a lawyer don't know if this is typical, but it just doesn't seem like it.
I
mean, that's the thing.
The scholars of fascism are surprised at the pace that things are going here.
Ruth Ben-Ghiat over at NYU has been talking about this a lot.
She's got a sub-stack that's really great.
She appears on MSNBC a lot.
She's got a book out called Strong Men, which
is
a really important book.
And then in today's New York Times, I was looking at the New York Times today and saw that they have three fascism scholars, two of them are really well known.
Timothy Snyder who wrote the book on tyranny and Jason Stanley who wrote a book called how fascism works and the third scholar Marcy Shore They have something called we're experts in fascism.
We're leaving the United States.
I mean, this is this is the question I think that a lot of us roll around in our heads in Part for those of us who've studied fascism and also, you know speaking personally now as a Jew.
I mean I grew up with
going to synagogue and every year being taught about the Holocaust.
And so it's called Shoah.
We would have the Shoah week, the commemoration week, and we'd see the horrible depictions of what happened and learn about it.
And the question always was, you know, what would I have done?
What would my family had done if we were there?
When would we have left?
Why didn't people leave earlier?
All those kinds of things.
And I remember Irwin Noel, who was my...
boss at the Progressive Magazine, the editor there when I came to the Progressive as a young man, his family just barely escaped and not all of them escaped from Vienna.
His dad and he and his sister kind of took the last train out of Vienna before the Nazis started sending people to camps.
And yeah, so the question always is, you know, at what point
should we think about packing our bags?
I mean, that's,
you
know, the common story for Jews is they always, we always have a suitcase already packed, ready to go.
And, you know, we laugh about it, but it's not funny.
And it's really not funny now when you see these scholars talking about, wow, should we leave?
I
I don't know if it was the most appropriate for my age, but I'm grateful for the experience nonetheless.
In fifth grade, we took a class trip to DC.
This was grade 9-11, all of that, and they took us to the Holocaust Museum.
And fifth grade, right?
Very eye-opening, very jarring, and I remember asking my teacher, like,
at the end of the exhibit, you know, everyone's feeling all the feels.
I was like, is this gonna happen again?
Like this would never, and she had to reassure me like, oh, you know, there's lessons learned.
That's why we have this museum because we, you know, we understand our history to make sure that things like this don't happen again.
And I thought about that story recently and I was like, oof, okay.
You know, I've never been to the Holocaust Museum in part because I don't get to, well, I was living in DC for a while, but I don't know if it was, I don't think it was open then.
I was in DC from 1980 to 83.
I'd have to check as to when the Holocaust Museum moved.
But I've been back there.
I was working for Ralph Nader when I was a kid right out of college.
So
that
was kind of fun.
But yeah, this kind of parlor game of conversation, I'm starting to hear it among friends.
Do you have a plan B?
And I know it's different if you don't have the means to leave the United States.
I know it's different if you're a different part of your life, but for some people who are in my age group, you know, and have the means to leave, they're thinking, you know, do I want to live my last 10 years or my last five years under a fascist guy like Trump?
Or so it's that it's kind of a quality of life question.
And then the other the more dangerous flip side of it is.
Wow, am I in danger or are my loved ones in danger?
And so, you know, we're not at that point yet But the question is, you know at what point is the is the frog beginning to boil and And that's a thing that you know, it's a conversation.
I never thought I was gonna have here in the United States And you know, I resisted talking about fascism forever when I was at the progressive but now it's right here
Steering
And so I'm wondering if folks who are listening want to weigh in on this, are you considering maybe you should leave the country or you're going to stay here and fight?
How dangerous is it?
We've got a little audio, Greg, from that New York Times.
There's an op-ed there's a video audio video op-ed of these three scholars saying why they are leaving the United States and that should raise your eyebrows Let's play a couple minutes of it if you don't mind great
My colleagues and friends they were walking around and saying we have checks and balances So let's inhale checks and balances exhale checks and balances and I thought my god We're like people on the Titanic saying our ship can't sink
We've got the best ship.
We've got the strongest ship.
We've got the biggest ship.
Our ship can't sink.
And what you know as a historian is that there is no such thing as a ship that can't sink.
So that's Marcy Shore.
She's a professor of history at Yale University.
She and Timothy Snyder and Jason Stanley, all of Yale University, have left Yale University, are in the process of leaving Yale University and moving to Toronto.
And I recommend that anyone who's listening, check out that whole video at the New York Times today, because there's some other really jarring and arresting parts of it.
And just the fact that these three scholars are fascism are concluding that, hey, maybe it's not safe to be in the United States.
Maybe we should, I tell it out of here, ought to take your breath away.
You know, Jason Stanley was here in Madison three weeks before the election at a bookstore.
on Regent Street.
And Gene and I, my wife and I went and saw him.
Wisconsin Democracy campaign director Nick Ramos was introducing him.
And he was acting as though Trump was going to lose.
And that's how I was the first time Trump ran.
I think he's going to lose.
We're just going to barely escape this problem.
But you know what?
We didn't barely escape it.
And and here we are.
I mean Jason Stanley was saying, you know things are gonna could get really bad really fast and and his his family fled the fled the Holocaust fled the Nazis and so he has said, you know, I don't want to repeat You know, I want to take the advice that my parents and grandparents had and left when there was time to leave So there we are.
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Have you or people you know or people in your family thought about leaving the country because of Trump?
And not just because you can't stand to see his face as I can't.
but also because he's bringing a dangerous authoritarianism, fascism, if you will, to this country and it's too scary to live with or too unpleasant to stay here.
So if you have a reaction to that, 855-752-4842.
Right before the break, Angela, we were talking about scholars who...
have left the country or are leaving the country.
There's that article to New York Times today in a video that's quite powerful.
There's another thing that I saw.
I had mentioned Ruth Ben-Ghiott earlier this morning.
She's NYU professor who wrote this book, Strongman.
She has a great sub-stack called Lucid, which I read.
And what I saw this week from her was she passed on an essay.
from someone who's been a scholar, another scholar of fascism, who's a trans person.
And this is what this person wrote.
My family's leaving the country.
We're not doing this in a panic.
This is an orderly retreat from an unwinnable situation.
We are slowly but surely packing up.
I have spent my academic and professional career studying and forecasting democratic decline, fascism.
In genocide, I'm also transgender.
My heart wants to stay.
It aches when I watch my kids pick and choose through beloved childhood belongings, trying not to cry as they decide what will come with them to our smaller future home.
My head, however, knows that it is time to leave, especially given the bleak future we all face if we stay.
That's pretty dramatic.
Again, it's shocking.
She says, they say, I can do more elsewhere.
You might wonder why I'm writing this anonymously.
The short answer is that freedom of speech in the United States is already dead.
If you haven't noticed this yet, it's because it hasn't affected you personally.
And they go on.
If you are a transgender person who has the opportunity and the option of getting out then for your own safety, you should.
There is some stark advice.
And it's just amazing.
It is so tragic that
it's
come to that in this country.
And yet I do believe this isn't hyperbole.
That video that's at the New York Times, one of the scholars, Marcy Shore, who we heard talking about the Titanic, she also talked about something that you and I talked about yesterday, Angela, and that is sadism.
that sadism is part of what we're watching here with Trump.
And of course, Kristi Noem at the El Salvador Prison is an example, and they had a video of her while they were talking about it.
But, you know, putting Judge Dugan in shackles was another part of it.
You know, grabbing that tough professor, that tough student who was
on a full-time
fellowship.
I just saw part of that video, and that's, you know, really scary, just, you know.
people who are not in uniform, wearing masks, just grabbing you and putting you in a van.
I mean, we had Ezra Klein at the New York Times just a couple of weeks ago saying, telling all of us, warning all of us, this is Chile.
We're in Chile in 1973.
And I think it's very possible on a beautiful spring day in Madison, Wisconsin, or wherever you are in Wisconsin, not to feel it.
Sure.
And just to go on with our daily lives.
And that is the...
That's the trick that's
the
ploy.
That's the disguise that allows Trump and his Authoritarian folks to do what they're doing because if it hasn't affected you now as the trans scholar said You know, you can go on with your daily life, but it's gonna affect you or could affect you at some point and that's that's really the moral of of the 20th century
if
you don't wake up
recognize the danger, stand up to the danger, the danger's gonna grab you.
And yeah, it's just amazing that we're here.
I
And like it, if I see this as just almost like an avalanche, I don't know.
It's just like it's going to snowball very, very quickly.
And if we aren't recognizing it now,
It's because we're normalizing it, right?
Like, and I understand people got to disassociate, people got to turn off the news, but we still need to understand where we are in this moment because the instant we start to normalize is the instant it will start to happen to you and other people closest to you.
And you're right about...
how fast it can happen.
I mean, it happened overnight in Chile when the generals came through and then started rounding people up and taking them to the stadium and torturing them and killing them.
In 1965, in Indonesia, it happened real fast with the help of the CIA when they overthrew Sukarno and put Suharto in place.
And the CIA gave them names of thousands of trade union organizers and other folks to round up and
to
kill.
And that's what happened there.
They just, everybody, you know, they had lists a mile long and they grabbed everybody in like 72 hours.
So we can be comfortable on a spring day in Madison, Wisconsin or in Portage or in Bayfield or wherever you are, but it can get nasty real fast.
And that is the warning that we're hearing from scholars of fascism.
These are the folks who have studied what's going on.
in the United States, more than anyone.
I think it's important for us to listen to them.
Go to New York Times today and look up this video.
It's called We're Experts in Fascism.
We're leaving the United States.
We'll be right back after the break.
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And now we have a guest who's an old friend of mine.
Laura Dresser, she is the associate director of the High Road Strategy Center at UW-Madison, which used to be called COWS, if you're keeping score.
She's also a clinical associate professor at the School of Social Work here at the UW.
Laura Dresser, thanks for joining the show.
I'm delighted to be here.
Yesterday, Angela and I were talking about the cuts to the childcare because of all the
the joint finance did last week.
We had a childcare provider on talking about how devastating it was.
What do you think the consequences of those cuts are?
Childcare is such a tricky industry here with one of the lowest wages paid and yet the cost of childcare so high to parents.
Yeah, you know, I do a lot of research on low wage work and I've always said
you can't study low wage work for very long and not just run into child care instantly and to see the problems in the way that the U.S.
specifically has structured this industry.
And I think we tend to think of these as different problems.
There's three problems and people tend to be really focused on them, especially accessibility and affordability for parents, which is a disaster.
The cost of childcare is incredibly high.
Infant care is very hard to find.
So just what parents need or what families need is hard.
But then of course what kids need is real quality and that's also hard to find.
And so the high cost and lower quality than we like.
And then the third problem that I'm sure you're...
respond to what I was talking about is the poverty wages that the workers earn.
Just looking at it, there's a lot of workers with two-year degrees from colleges, with four-year degrees from colleges, they're making $13, $14 an hour not enough to thrive.
I think we think of those as separate problems, but they're all the same problem.
The problem is
that we don't invest in childcare as a public good.
We act as if it's a privatized week.
It's completely privatized.
Like kids are sort of your private problem till they turn four and go to school.
And then we understand them as a public good and invest, you know, but that hyper privatization early on just is a disaster for families, for kids, for their outcomes in the long term and especially for the workforce too.
So it takes public investment.
That's sort of the bottom line in my view.
And sorry, the other obvious thing is Evers was doing that, using federal money and then backfilling to invest in the industry in substantial ways.
And that helped it survive.
And that money going away is really a disaster for the industry.
I mean, what she told us with the provider and activists told us was that one quarter of childcare centers are going to close as a consequence in some rural areas is going to be like one third.
And then it's going to be even harder for parents to find a place to put their kids.
It is amazing that some of the most important workers in our economy, the workers who take care of our children, or I've been visiting a 99 year old at a nursing home in Madison.
over the last several months.
And my folks also had in-home care.
And in both places, the folks taking care of our elders are also not paid very well.
And it's amazing to me that at the beginning of life and at the end of life, the employees, the workers who are taking care of our most vulnerable citizens are the least compensated.
And what does that mean?
And how do we solve that
problem?
You know, the one place that is always, you know, I think of like you putting these two together, a lot of times we think of what's going on with kids and what's going on with older adults or with seniors or folks who need a little support for independent living or actually just care in their homes is that it's totally different populations and a lot of things are different, you know, you're probably dealing with folks who...
got Medicare and other public investments.
But it's public investments that have been made without regard to the quality of jobs.
And in fact, in some ways, the cost savings demanded by Medicaid and Medicare have been delivered on the backs of workers in the health care system.
those you know even nursing home workers but definitely home health workers rarely get health insurance they work they are the hands of the health insurance industry and they don't get health insurance through their jobs you know they get on a badger care because their jobs pay so little if they're lucky and the same with child care workers you know the the early care and education workforce those teachers also um struggling to uh you know
probably can't afford the care, unless there's a big discount sometimes, this is the benefit, but often can't afford the very care that they provide to kids.
And, you know, so it's a kind of tragically structured.
And again, it's about how much we invest in the industry publicly and how much we attend to how much that money gets to the pockets of workers.
And both of those things we don't do enough of.
Yeah, I want to stick with home care workers a little bit because and I've said this before my first job out of college was for the service employees international union and
They threw me straight into it and they were like, help unionize these nursing homes and specifically the CNAs.
And then there were other home care workers through other agencies we were working with.
And I've done, I never considered myself a home care worker because I didn't know that was like a thing.
But I did help take care of my mom and do a lot of like some of that.
And to see how much that they experienced.
deal with.
They are letting folks either stay in their homes or taking care of them in a facility and seeing how much that they had to struggle.
These a lot of times were sometimes single moms that also had childcare issues and they would work, you know,
very long shift set times.
And so we saw how those two things intersected.
And you're right, kind of like how we treat our children, you know, as we said, kind of like a private problem until therefore it's also very similar.
And then we're also not supporting the people that are taking care of our elders and our seniors.
And I think there's something to be said about our priorities as a society.
But I also wanted to think about and get your thoughts on what folks are calling like the baby bonus.
on a federal level and how, you know, here's a check for $5,000 so you can have a kid.
What is that supposed to do?
Like, and does that make any of these issues?
I think I know your answer to this.
But does this, you know, like, what are they trying to get at here?
Does this actually get to the root of the problem?
Because I could see some folks saying, well, look, they're doing this thing.
There's an incentive.
Maybe explain
why
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
There are a lot of layers on why that's not helpful, but I'm just gonna kind of focus in on one that matters to me, which is about this, all this money we throw at the issue through the perspective of the parents or the purchaser of the care that never makes it to the pocket of the worker who does the care.
I think actually at the problems with what you're
talking about or actually there's some some deeper but yes three ones about how you Make families and what we're trying to do in this nation Those I'm not expert on I'm just creeped out by but but just sort of the the thing I'm I'm I'm I'm focused on is You know or even these the subsidies that we run through parents to the childcare industry
or the way that a purchaser can kind of like get money from a public system and pick the provider that comes into their house.
So it puts some resources and power in the family that's the family sometimes or the provider sometimes.
It's run through taxes.
It's easier so the Republicans tend not to see it as an investment in the industry, which
you know, they were willing to invest in families, but they're not willing to invest in the care that makes family possible.
And in the end, you know, like that family may end up 5,000 better off.
For some families that that matters an enormous amount, the workers not going to see, you know, that's not going to change the wage structure, the benefit packages, the reliability.
anything about the work for workers.
And to me, that's really the core problem with almost everything we do.
When we want to pretend we can fix this through taxes and fix it through purchasing and throw money at the purchasers, which needs to happen.
It's too expensive, I get that, but it just doesn't end up with workers.
I wanted to get back Laura dresser to this notion of a public good that you talked about that care for our children care for our elderly is a public good and how do we support that as a public good I know you know countries like France or Scandinavian countries have a much more robust social welfare system and they really provide you know decent care for folks and pay their workers decently or we're doing that we here it's
It's the least reimbursed job in America practically caring for a child or caring for an elderly person.
How do we translate this into a public good?
Yeah, there's I mean, it's all pretty hard because of the mishmash of state and federal programs that sit on top in order to solve this or that problem for those of that population and You know, I I really believe Though there are some things we could do for example, we could understand
you know, we could begin to see care workers as the hands of this community, the very hands of care of any community.
You could imagine starting to work towards actually having the state provide care, you know, that, and this would kind of help the higher road firms that are trying to do care.
It would give, and when I say care, I mean, sorry, health insurance to all the workers.
Like a kind of care health insurance program would
I mean, that'd be something.
We won't ever do that.
But health insurance wage standards in this state raising the minimum wage would matter a lot to these workers.
They're closer to the floor.
Allowing or supporting unionization helps raise the floor.
And then really investing like we do in public schools.
When was last time the minimum wage went up in
Wisconsin?
When the federal did, which is 15 years ago.
Which is
Obama.
Yeah.
And it wasn't
indexed to inflation either.
We're still at 725 here.
725.
Disgusting.
Most states have raised their minimum wage, right?
I think we're fine.
29 states.
So, you know, we're right there with Mississippi
or
whatever.
I mean, that's a, that's a sin.
Yeah.
Well, that's Scott Walker.
The legacy of Scott Walker.
Unfortunately, we're out of time.
Laura dresser has been our guest.
She's the associate director of High Road Strategy Center at UW and she's also
a clinical associate professor at UW Madison.
Thanks for all the work you do, Lauren.
Thanks for joining the show today.
Thanks a lot for having me.
Thanks.
Have a good one.
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Today, on the Stavick India Radio Network, Dr. Bobby Darren McDonough, Bobby Darren born on this day, 1936, died 37 years later.
We're doing moments in history, both musical history and actual political history.
On this day, in 1943, Nazi troops broke up
and defeated the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
This was the largest uprising by Jews against the Nazis.
And they were resisting because they understood that if they didn't resist, they were gonna be sent to a concentration camp.
And so they resisted violently and non-violently.
And knowing that their odds of succeeding were really low.
And there's a poet
in America called Irina Kleffitz.
Her father, Michael Kleffitz, died in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
He died because he threw himself on a Nazi machine gunner, a really heroic act.
And she has written about that powerfully in a couple poems.
One is searching for my father's body, where she goes back and tries to find archival material about what happened to her dad.
And then she has a really incredible poem called Dedications to Bash Air, which is a long poem.
I'm just going to read two paragraphs of it.
These words are dedicated to those who died.
These words are dedicated to those who died because a card was lost and a number was skipped, because a bed was denied, because a place was filled and no other place was left.
These words are dedicated to those who died because someone didn't follow through.
because someone overlooked and forgot because someone left everything to God because someone was late because someone didn't arrive at all because someone told them to wait and they just couldn't wait any longer arena cleft fits K L E P F I S Z Look up that woman and that poem in those poems quite an incredible story if you ever heard of her Angela
Isn't that
Yeah, that's what she explores in that poem, Searching for My Father's Body, how it is.
how she she comes to grips with what her the heroism her father of her father not having her father there too as she grew up and so you can only imagine what that's like and she's also been a Palestinian rights activist too to her credit and so she's an amazing woman Ireena Kleptit so I commend her words and her work to anyone who's listening Greg we also have other on a lighter note other moments in musical history
Where do you want to go with that?
Oh, we can go with the let's see here.
Let me just consult my list here.
In 1953, we're celebrating the birthday of Tom Cochran, who's turning 71.
He was born in 1953.
He is the singer-songwriter of this famous hit, Life is a Highway.
We all know this song.
We've listened to the radio.
Yeah, Angela Legg is... You cannot not just like, you know.
a feel good jam.
It's a driving song.
There you go.
Life is a Highway.
1953 it came out.
No, no, no, no.
Tom
Cochran was born in
1991.
It's his birthday
today.
And
when did this song come out?
Well, it came out in a year that I'm looking up right now.
Good.
Because I couldn't figure it out either.
Who wants to guess?
Angela, what year did this
song come out?
Angela, guess it.
Come on.
I want you to guess it.
94 mmm so close so close 1991 I can't believe this song is 34 years old oh my god I was trying to
well I mean it's it's it's older than 24 years old so I mean
did I did there
And so Greg, when Pat's doing a show, this is all about rock and roll moments in history?
No, it's about all different kinds of music.
It's all different kinds of history moments.
In 1953, the Milwaukee Brewery Strike was an action involving about 7,100 workers at Six Breweries of Milwaukee.
It talks about things like that.
The strike began on May 14th of that year after the Brewery Workers Local Nine and an employer's organization representing six Milwaukee-based brewing tombs.
I'm reading this.
failed
to
agree to new labor contracts.
So there was a strike that took place on that on this day in 1973 amongst the Milwaukee Brewers, not the baseball team.
You know, it's also
know,
makes sense.
Yeah.
And it went on.
It went on for months.
It started this day in 1973 and went on till late July.
So yeah, so it really it really took it really took its effect and
and the unions won
That's got Walker went after the labor movement here in Wisconsin strategy with the national strategy was if we can beat him in Wisconsin We can beat him anywhere.
Yep, because we have such a great progressive history and such a great history of union organizing
In public sector union I organizing to and that's some of the stuff that Laura dresser who wears her just was our guest who she studies that she writes about that High Road strategy center at the University of Wisconsin and we'd be a much better place if we didn't have Scott Walker leave the assault on Labor rights here and
ushered in Donald Trump too in some ways
I think that's an under-recognized fact.
You're listening to Mornings with Pat Cridlow.
I'm Matt Rothschild.
I'm speaking with Angela Lange and Greg Bach, the great producer we have for this show.
He'll be joining Jane Mattenair and Mattenair on air when this show is over.
We hope you'll join us in the next hour.
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We have one of the leaders of a Head Start program here in Wisconsin to talk about that.
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