Be Better Than This (Hour 1)

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Be Better Than This (Hour 1)

Mornings with Pat Kreitlow · Thu May 8, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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Pat Kreitlow

Hey there, Wisconsin.

Good morning.

It is 6.06 on this Thursday morning, May 8th, 2025.

It's another beautiful morning to have you here up north live from Lake WSOTA.

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So that's why we comb our hair here in the morning as well.

However you got here, appreciate you starting the day right here.

I got a question for you.

Are you ready for a break from me?

Yeah, because we've done this three hour show now for what?

Two weeks almost maybe feels like I don't know week and a half

Anyway, I'm going to take a little time off.

I've got a good friend getting married and going to be part of the festivities there.

So we've got some pinch hitters starting with Chad Holmes tomorrow.

Don't worry, I will.

I will be back.

I know in this day and age, it's like, wait a minute, did he did he leave the country?

Has he been?

Is he at Guantanamo?

No, everything's good here so far.

Just going to go have a little bit of fun.

So, Alicia, thank you.

Your hair looks beautiful.

Yeah, except the the lighting.

I mean, it was always like so dark, it was practically black, and it seems I can't find a filter or lighting that doesn't make it look so much lighter.

Almost a gray, which that can't be right.

Coming up on the program today, the 2024 election.

Remember it?

It's finally over.

The 2024 election is finally over.

There was still one undecided race until now.

A big one.

for a seat on the North Carolina Supreme Court where it appeared the losing candidate was going to be successful in throwing out thousands of votes.

Sanity prevailed at the very last minute and we will talk to one of my courier newsroom colleagues Michael McAvoy from the Cardinal and Pine in North Carolina to get a live update from him later this hour.

Also, Donald Trump's MAGA mentality has made it

almost socially acceptable to engage in public heckling and taunting.

But folks, there are right ways and wrong ways for Trump critics to make their points and score some points in the court of public opinion.

And we'll have an example from yesterday at the state Capitol.

Later today, U.S.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy is expected to roll out a plan to patch up an old and broken air traffic control system.

The problems in the system, like old technology and demographics, those problems didn't appear quickly and a solution will not be in place quickly, but here's what doesn't help.

Sean Duffy, shaming his predecessor for not fixing things sooner.

Why is that not helpful?

Because his predecessor wanted to fix things sooner, but as a congressman from up north, Sean Duffy voted against funding the changes everyone knew was needed.

And Republicans have turned down things like requests to fund 3,000 more air traffic controllers.

And to put it in strong language, Sean Duffy hopes we're all dumb enough to accept his finger pointing rather than accepting responsibility.

We'll talk about that in our next hour.

Looking under the dome in our state capital report, Wisconsin isn't the only place dealing with a shortage of affordable homes.

And it's also not the only place trying to confront one of the causes of that.

Hedge funds.

purchasing properties and converting them to rentals.

It gives the hedge fund a regular stream of income, but it also reduces the number of single family homes available in an area, driving up the price for what remains.

We're going to talk to State Senator Sarah Kieski of Lodi about her bill similar to proposals elsewhere that seek to limit the degree to which Wall Street can be a landlord here in Wisconsin.

Melissa Baldoff will have our climate check coming up in our eight o'clock hour.

Energy Star.

That is about as slam dunk as it gets for government programs.

This one encourages buying energy efficient home appliances.

Over the past 30 years, Energy Star has saved consumers and businesses half a billion dollars.

So of course, Donald Trump is cutting it.

Melissa will have that for us.

Sean O'Malley tells us about money in the markets.

We'll check in with Chad Holmes and Wausau and Brittany Merlot's forecast.

She'll be here in an hour.

Here's what she says about the statewide forecast, a cold snap today and tomorrow with freezing temps for some overnight before warm weather for the weekend.

that could also bring in a little rain in spots.

Brittany will have the details in an hour, but for today, sunny and comfortable statewide, mid 50s in the eastern part of the state, mid 60s in the western part of the state, an east wind at five to 10 miles an hour.

Tonight, clear and cool scattered frost, temps in the low to mid 30s statewide, and a light southeasterly wind.

Temperatures around the state right now,

You know, I thought I was done whining about the 20s.

It's 43 here on Lake Wasota, but it's 26 in Hayward.

Amory's at 40, Wasaw's at 36, it's 37 in Rapids, 46 in La Crosse, Green Bay at 37, Madison 41, and it's 43 degrees at Racine's Radio Park, where we welcome in Greg Bach to the program.

Again, please do not confuse the applause.

for white smoke.

The smoke that came out of the Sistine Chapel in the last hour.

Greg Bach

That

Pat Kreitlow

was my

Greg Bach

nickname in college.

Pat Kreitlow

Black smoke came out of the Sistine Chapel about an hour ago when the Cardinals completed their second ballot.

And I got to give Trig Vilsen credit when I was on the Todd Alba show with him yesterday because the first balloting had been completed and there was black smoke.

And Trig V, as he does so dryly, simply says,

Donald Trump has lost another election So not not that he wouldn't accept if nominated but I don't think that's gonna happen Same goes for mr. Bach again.

That's there's there's a lot of jobs we can all do in life, but Pope I don't know I'd be an awesome Pope Would you

oh

Greg Bach

my

Pat Kreitlow

gosh?

Oh my

Greg Bach

gosh.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

All right.

The first thing

Greg Bach

we do is liquidate the Vatican

Okay.

We're all living in small apartments.

You're all

living the

Greg Bach

humble life.

Yep.

I like it.

Yep.

Yeah.

I'd make a ton of changes.

Oh my gosh.

Catholics would hate white smoke over here.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, no, not all of them, trust me.

It's such a divide between, and it's weird to think it's a divide between those who want to follow Francis and have this more outwardly compassionate view of things and others who want a much more severely conservative, strict view on things.

Tom and New Berlin on the text line says he's with you, Greg, so you already have your first cardinal.

Cardinal Tom from New Berlin in the new College of Cardinals coming up here.

And we'll call them the

Greg Bach

awesome college.

We're going to call them the awesome technical College of Cardinals.

Pat Kreitlow

Technical College.

The Community College of Cardinals.

I like it.

See, now this, this is maybe the kind of joke and I need to make because not only am I attending a dear friend's destination wedding, they have asked me to officiate it.

And so.

I am greatly concerned about lightning strikes at some point, just as the ceremony is about to begin.

But I am very humbled, flattered that, you know, that's that's how these folks want to celebrate their love with friends and family.

And boy, do we need that more than ever these days.

Just a reminder that that love can win in the end.

Oh, yeah, because absolutely these are folks who they've they've not had the easiest lives.

I mean, few of us have.

but to see that they found each other and found love and are gonna be happy, I mean, these kids are gonna make it.

And I love that, I'm now at the age where I talk about people.

Talk about people in their mid forties.

These kids, these kids are going to make it.

They're going to be just fine.

These

Greg Bach

youngins have what they call the love bug.

Pat Kreitlow

So looking forward to that.

Chad Holmes will be pinching tomorrow.

Luke Mathers is joining you on Monday.

No, no, no, no.

It's um.

Dr. Lyle.

Uh, no, not that either.

It's, it's now Matt.

Oh, that's

Greg Bach

right.

Matt Rothschild is going to be here on Monday.

You're right.

Oh,

Pat Kreitlow

Matt.

Matt is going to be Monday through Thursday of next week and then Chad Holmes.

And then on Monday the 19th, the return of Bach in the dock.

We need, we need a little sound.

You're like, when I say Bach in the dock, you get a little electric guitar.

Greg Bach

Yeah.

Do you talk for a second?

Give it, give

Pat Kreitlow

it,

Greg Bach

give it, give it, give it like a 30 second ramp up.

Pat Kreitlow

Let, let me tell you how excited these kids are.

Okay.

Again, the old man's talking about the kids here.

Dr. Lyrely is, is a very busy OBGYN physician, but she has now her own weekend radio show that you can find on the Civic Media app.

Look at the Civic Media website and loves to fill in from time to time as her schedule allows and has found in Greg Bach.

arguably the perfect partner for something like this where she can parachute in and Greg can keep the show on the rails and it works out wonderfully for both of them.

So here they're only filling in for one of the days that I'm gone.

But I mean, we are making the most of it to promote this thing, because it's still 11 days away.

Have I vamped enough yet for this?

Go

Greg Bach

ahead.

I'm just choosing one.

Let's go for

Pat Kreitlow

it.

Oh, OK.

To tell you that on Monday, May 19, the return of Bach in the Dock.

Greg Bach

That sucked.

All

Pat Kreitlow

right.

Oh,

Greg Bach

oh, no, that wasn't bad at all.

I

Pat Kreitlow

was

Greg Bach

looking for I was looking for squeaky.

Pat Kreitlow

You want it?

You want to pick one more?

It's just that random, right?

Yeah, let's just try.

Let's try another one.

Let's try.

So again, folks, Monday morning, May 19th at 6 a.m.

The return of Bach in the dock.

Nope.

That was

Greg Bach

terrible, too.

Pat Kreitlow

Yep.

Okay.

Last one.

And then we got to go.

We get, we get three strikes at this.

You're right.

Okay.

All right.

On Monday,

Pat Kreitlow

Monday, May 19th, you're going to pay for the whole radio, but you're only going to need the edge of your seat for blocking the dock.

We'll keep working on it.

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I love this.

They're these little like dinner train rides.

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All right, let's check a little sports here at 618.

It was an ugly one for the Milwaukee Brewers yesterday afternoon.

They'd been going for a sweep of the Houston Astros.

No go.

The Astros pounded the Brewers 9-1, snapping Milwaukee's three game winning streak and leaving both teams with records of 500.

as we are now six weeks into the season.

I will say Josh Hader got a really nice return.

It was his first game back at American Family Field since he was originally traded to San Diego.

He now pitches with Houston and when he

actually first came onto the field for the first time out of the dugout to walk to the bullpen before the game started.

They did a nice tribute to him, put him up on the scoreboard and the crowd gave a nice welcome.

Because again, as Greg and I were saying, was it yesterday we were talking about how angry, the anger, the anger is still residual there about Josh Hader being traded away.

Greg Bach

Yeah, I'm, I'm, and I'm not mad at Josh.

I'd be

Pat Kreitlow

happy to see him.

But

Greg Bach

man, I mean, he was still, he was.

There's a lot to talk about with that guy, but I thought it was the wrong time to get rid of him.

And it was just indicative of this brewer's organization making really, in my opinion, dumb trade decisions.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah.

Speaking of trade decisions, we had in our weekend newsletter whether should the bucks trade Yanis and just rebuild and say, this is all we can do.

Yeah, a whole lot of no on that.

A lot of folks were like, no dog on that.

But what I got was a whole lot of, can we trade the owner?

Or the coach?

So people are very happy to trade the owner of the coach.

Yeah.

Giannis, not so much.

No.

People know what they like.

But I

Greg Bach

don't want him to have a situation where he's like, he's picking coaches.

That's

Pat Kreitlow

awesome.

That's true.

From the heart of America's up north, live from Lake Wissota.

Thanks for making this the place to spend part of your mornings.

I'm Pat Crightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

Kathryn Lake

All right, we've come to the

Pat Kreitlow

part of the program where I do something I've never done in such strong terms before, but I first did it on Todd Alba show yesterday and I'm going to repeat a lot of it here today.

And that's go after folks who I'm sure I agree with them politically on 99% of things, but I really don't like what they did yesterday.

Somebody sent me a video clip of the Assembly Judiciary Committee hearing yesterday and things got a little rough in there.

when somebody came to testify about a bill.

The bill is a terrible bill, and folks are right to oppose the bill and want to testify against it.

But with what happened next, it totally lost the message, and nobody's talking about the bill.

Instead, the clip is going around of how the chair of the assembly judiciary committee around Tussler, I believe,

had to adjourn the meeting and call police because one person who wanted to testify against the bill was wearing a hat and the hat said, F Trump.

And at that point, um, the, the chair, Tesla said, well, wait a minute, you can't wear that.

We have, we have rules against these kinds of things here.

And the guy was not going to take it off.

Okay.

If there's a dispute there, that'd be fine.

But suddenly there was this heckling from the crowd.

I mean and and loud.

I mean borderline bullying in this assembly committee and It was it was not helpful

is what I'm going to say, is the crowd became, you know, very, very magga-like, you know, with jeering, taunting the chair, taunting the Republicans on the committee.

The Republican chair joined and said, look, if you're not going to take the hat off, we're going to, you know, call the authorities, have you escorted it out, etc.

People saying, just let them testify.

Let them testify with the hat.

Later, another clip shows a couple of police officers walking in going, why are we here?

Why did you call us?

And because the, the, the chair of the committee had left, uh, there was really nobody to make the case to them that there was anything here in terms of a public disturbance.

And so, uh, the police officers looked very befuddled, but then they left as you would expect.

They didn't like grab the guy and tase him like you see at some of these Trump rallies and everything.

The point being this, at no point have I told you in these precious few minutes of broadcast time what the bill is, because we've lost the focus on it.

Here's the deal on the bill.

Right now, if a district attorney decides not to charge somebody with a crime, a judge can still convene a hearing, and that judge can listen to evidence and decide to file criminal charges against somebody.

That's for everybody, okay?

Due process.

This bill from Republicans says that if a district attorney investigates a police-involved shooting death and or a police-involved shooting, I forget if it's a death or not, and if that district attorney decides not to file charges under this bill, no court would be allowed to say, wait, we want to take a look at it.

and the court might file charges.

So it's a way of obstructing justice, essentially, because you may have a DA in a county who is unusually friendly, shall we say, or biased toward one view of a situation that might lead to a police death or a police shooting, rather.

But none of that came up because of this crowd that went all torches and pitchforks, because some guy

Thought it would be funny to wear his F Trump hat Does he have a right to wear it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

In fact, somebody tried to defend that with me citing a 1971 US Supreme Court case that says, you know, what was it?

F the draft or something like that You can't that person's not causing a public disturbance.

That's not the point We're not splitting legal hairs here.

We're talking about

not creating the same kind of scenario that Trump and the MAGA heads want.

They love the cheering and the jeering and the sideshow.

We've been telling people for the longest time now, don't fall for the Trump sideshows.

But similarly, don't create sideshows of your own.

Because now the Republicans on that committee will take that and they'll run with it for...

However, they will always tell the story about how, you know, the liberals, those dangerous liberals, they cause public disturbances.

They wear the F word.

Don't tell me all about the, you know, the FJB and the other, you know, the language that they use in the hats they wear.

We know that.

We know what they do.

They, whoever wears stuff with obscenities and flies flags with obscenities, they are clowns.

They're clowns with power right now.

But you're not going to take the power back by trying to get deep in the gutter with them Now some folks say well, you know respect has to be earned and these Republicans don't deserve respect in these committee hearings You know if they're gonna bring up bills like this that would make it easier for say a police officer to you know not face criminal accountability for a bad action that leaves somebody dead the talking point makes sense, but

Again, oppose the bill, talk about the bill, promote the bill as being a bad idea and an example of what doesn't work.

Democrats and progressives are right when they say we need to be louder, we need to stand up more, but you need to be smart about how you do it because otherwise it gets lost.

It's okay to have strong language.

But the heckling and things like that, talk to the voters.

That's the only way you're coming back on this.

And voters don't want to see you heckling.

They want to see you tough.

They want to see you have strong positions.

They want you to help them understand why you're the better choice.

So make your voice heard.

Show up at these committee hearings.

Leave the goofy costumes at home and mind your manners.

Seriously, and I know that sounds like an old guy talking, but you're in the state capitol.

We're talking about a bill.

Talk about why the bill is bad.

Don't fall for the other side shows.

Don't create side shows of your own.

Live from Lake Wissota, I'm Pat Krightlow.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

I mentioned the Milwaukee Brewers losing to the Astros 9-1 yesterday.

I got talking about Josh Hader and forgot to wrap things up by telling you that the Brewers are off today.

They are on the road once again heading to Tampa for the weekend and then Cleveland after that to take on the Guardians early next week.

So the Tampa Bay Rays who now play actually in Tampa.

instead of St.

Petersburg because their stadium's broken but they're now playing in a minor league stadium in the Tampa area so that's where you will find the Brewers for this weekend.

Let's turn our attention now to politics outside of Wisconsin and the 2024 election is finally over because of one race in North Carolina that was dragging on and on and I'm not gonna lie I really thought this had was on the cusp of ending

with conservative judges ordering thousands potentially of votes thrown out over a technicality, which might have made sure that the current progressive justice on the North Carolina Supreme Court, who won her election narrowly, actually lost.

But that didn't happen.

In the end, it turns out that she won that narrow race.

And Michael McElroy is my colleague for Courier Newsrooms, North Carolina outlet, Cardinal and Pine, and joins us now from, I forgot to ask where are you in Raleigh, where are you?

I'm in Raleigh.

You're in Raleigh.

Michael, good to see you.

Thank you for joining us here.

You've been following this, of course, since way back when.

So let's set it up first, probably better than what I did just there.

And let's attach some names to this as well.

We're talking about Progressive Justice Allison Riggs, who was up for reelection for the state Supreme Court race.

Who was challenging her and when did this whole thing go off the rails?

Was it on election night?

Well,

Pat Kreitlow

no

actually on election night when they were accounting just election day votes Jefferson Griffin was ahead so he wasn't challenging anything at that point this only went off the rails a couple days later once they started counting provisional ballots and overseas and overseas ballots absentee ballots that

you know, once all the votes were counted, that Allison Riggs went ahead by 734 votes.

And that is when Jefferson Griffin started filing lawsuits to try and have some of those valid votes thrown out.

And yet Jefferson Griffin is the judge.

He's an appeals court judge in North Carolina.

Excuse me.

This has been such a tangle.

I mean it's gone, it has just bounced from state court to federal court back to state court because obviously anytime you're talking about a voting rights issues you've got those kind of overlapping spheres of whether it's a federal issue or a state issue.

And it's just been such a mess.

And it started with, hey, I want a recount by Jefferson Griffin, which is absolutely entitled under the law.

And then he said, hey, I want another recount.

And they said, sure, you can.

Here's a limited recount of various counties.

And each recount confirmed her victory.

In fact, after the first recount, her margin went up a little bit.

She was ahead by 600 in some votes.

And Griffin was like,

I want to recount.

I think I wanted to say, sure, here's a recount.

Actually, you're right.

The number was different.

She's got more votes now at 734.

So two recounts confirmed her victory.

And after those recounts, he started filing lawsuits seeking to throw out.

more than 65,000 votes.

And it wasn't just one technicality he was arguing, it was three, three real buckets.

The bulk of those votes, 60,000 of them, 60,000 plus, were from voters who he said shouldn't have been counted because the state registration database for their registrations was missing some information that's required by law.

But as state board of officials said, there's a lot of reasons why that

data might be missing.

A lot of them is clerical errors from election officials.

But another one that stood out to me the most was there.

registrations might be slightly different from in the data mace might be slightly different than their actual registrations because they were got married since they were registered.

And now their last name, they took their husband's last name, and now their name is different.

And so the registration data mace might be different.

Pat Kreitlow

It was amazing.

When we heard that, first off, he's going after

you know, married people who maybe I want to throw your ballots out.

There was a point where a three-judge panel on the North Carolina Court of Appeals ruled along party lines, as you write here, that 65,000-plus voters should have their ballots thrown out unless they proved their eligibility in 15 days.

Well, then that got winnowed further, but it meant he was griffin, the conservative justice was cheesing off a different group.

First it was married people, then it was the military.

Yeah.

Well, and he went after the military at first as well.

He went out right after a way.

But what was so funny about this and funny, it might not be the right word.

But at one point, before the appeals court made their ruling, he filed another brief in court that said, essentially, and I'm paraphrasing, essentially, listen, if you're uncomfortable throwing out 65,000 votes, fine, just throw out enough votes for me to win and then you can stop.

That was essentially it and so but the military votes are actually staggering.

This is one of them.

This is the biggest to me He said that overseas men and not just military but all overseas voters who include mostly mostly military serving overseas they should have Submitted a copy of their voter ID because we have voter ID in North Carolina, but that voter ID by state law only applied to in-person

voters.

It did not apply, according to state law, to overseas military voters.

He said it should have, so that they should have submitted their voter ID, but the election officials did not ask for it.

In fact, told them they didn't need to submit it as A, and B, there was no way for them to have done it because military voters vote through an online portal.

That online portal has no functionality.

for uploading a voter ID.

And so he wanted to throw out, that was about 5,000 votes.

Now, a 734 margin, 5,000 votes gives him plenty of room to overturn that loss.

But here's the other thing.

Lots of military voters across the state voted in that way.

He only challenged the voters who voted in that way in six democratic counties.

He did not challenge the voters who voted in that way in Republican-leaning counties.

Pat Kreitlow

It's just it's so and that's very that's very Wisconsin ish I could see Republicans doing the same thing about and actually that happened after the 2020 election was just challenging the vote counts in Milwaukee and Dane counties and Brown County where Green Bay is But this is where we left it with our listeners.

It was a few weeks back where the the state Supreme Court there Limited the number of at-risk votes to those 5,000 overseas military voters and extended a deadline to 30 days to cure

or otherwise prove who they are.

And I thought, well, this is ridiculous, but I thought it was gonna be at that point.

And while it was gonna make a lot of overseas military voters and their families unhappy, I wasn't sure that legally there was any more room to work with on this, but that takes us to what happened in the past couple of days here with a federal judges ruling that I guess finally puts an end to it and got Griffin to concede, right?

Yeah.

And that ruling from a Trump-appointed judge, by the way, it wasn't just definitive, it was scathing.

I honestly, reading this judge's ruling was one of my favorite things to read in all of this thing because he did not use this word, but he essentially called Griffin and Griffin's lawyers stupid.

Wrote several times in which he flat out said that's nope.

That's not correct There is at one point where he was talking about a claim that Griffin made and his argument why something can happen age that and he and he wrote quote that cannot be right So he he is a he tore

He tore apart Griffin's arguments and he essentially ruled that all these things together violate both due process and equal protections in the Constitution.

Pat Kreitlow

And again, that's what jumped out at me is this was Judge Richard Myers is a Trump appointee and it's a nice reminder that not every

Trump-appointed judge is like an Aileen Cannon down in Florida, that there are people who still care to follow the rule of law, maybe just because it was politically expedient this time, who's to say, but he did not go along with the line of rulings that make you scratch your head until you realize that this person is a Trump-appointed judge.

So when I heard that Judge Myers had

put out this scathing opinion, I thought, well, there's always the Supremes.

And I always wondered if the next thing that Jefferson Griffin would do is hope that the Trump-appointed justices on the U.S.

Supreme Court would overrule Judge Myers and, once again, use political motivation to change the will of the voters in this case.

But instead, Jefferson Griffin

basically conceded, which that was that was what I did not see coming.

Was that a surprise move?

Or did he recognize that he had worked out all of the avenues available to him?

It was a surprise move.

And I hit the concession.

And in fact, I wrote, I wrote that he was likely to appeal in my other piece.

So that that that was a surprise to me.

But I will say, though, that

why it's surprising is Judge Myers ruling was not a surprise.

We kind of always knew because Judge Myers has written in a separate case before the election that it was too late to bring these things up even a couple of weeks before the election.

So after the election, and that was his whole thing, was it's after the fact.

retroactive applying new rules to pass elections is what is unconstitutional.

So the Myers ruling was not a surprise.

So yeah, I was slightly surprised that Griffin conceded when he did.

But I don't think that there was any question.

And the legal arguments in this case were always super clear.

I don't think, I think even the Supreme Court would have either

said no, we're not taking this up when the appeals court upheld Myers decision or I think it's very likely that the Supreme Court with maybe one or two extreme exceptions on that court would have backed it entirely.

It would have been a decisive win, I think, for Riggs.

The timing is odd, but the concern here is not that Griffin ever had a chance at the federal level.

The concern here is that because the state courts

entertained and and actually opened the door enough for him to have done it on the state level that this then as many folks have pointed out offers a blueprint for future losing candidates to through the court systems isolate one or two things that someone got wrong somewhere along the way during the vote and use that as a way to try and overturn a close election and that danger is very real even if Jefferson Griffin was never going to

be sat at the Supreme Court.

Pat Kreitlow

And by the way, this is not like the Wisconsin race earlier this year.

This was not determining control of the Supreme Court.

It is still very much a conservative majority, right?

Correct.

So this, this was about the one seat.

And basically about following the rules, maybe some election rules need to be tweaked between now and then.

But it was such an odyssey and Michael, you were

all over this from the start and we really appreciate that.

You can find what Michael's doing over at Cardinal and Pine or Courier Newsroom outlet in North Carolina.

Head over to CardinalPine.com or go to CourierNewsroom.com to learn more.

Michael, thank you again.

Great to talk to you.

Thanks for getting up and joining us this morning.

Of course, Pat.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Appreciate it very much.

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Pat Kreitlow

This of course is Bob Dylan's subterranean homesick blues in today's history lesson for this May 8th, but if in hearing this song you think of that film clip of The flashcards being flipped over with parts of the lyrics to the tune Well, you should know that it was on this day in 1965 60 years ago today

that that was filmed by D.A.

Pennebaker and became one of the earliest music videos ever shot.

Nice.

Greg Bach

D.A.

Pennebaker would go on to film a bunch of great musical documentaries.

Pat Kreitlow

Had to start somewhere and he started with, if you're going to start, start with the landmark, you know?

Start with a milestone.

So again, that was 60 years ago today.

55 years ago today, this day in 1970, the Beatles released their 12th and final studio album, Let It Be.

Fast forward now to 1976 and the number one song in the country was the theme to a TV show.

I loved that show.

I don't want to say I missed the show because I don't know that it would hit, you know, the same today, but for what it was in the mid-1970s as a story about a, you know, a rundown high school and, oh shoot, was it the Bronx or Brooklyn?

Greg Bach

I think it was Brooklyn.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay.

Anyway, it was great for its time and John Sebastian there of the Loving Spoonful had the number one song in the country with it.

On this day in 1886, a pharmacist by the name of John Pemberton first sells a carbonated beverage, and he calls the carbonated beverage Coca-Cola.

And it wasn't a refreshing beverage.

It was designed as a patent medicine because back in those days, 1886, you could throw pretty much anything in a bottle and say, oh, it's medicinal.

It'll cure what ails you.

And this, this is the one that had staying power, not as a medicine, but as, you know, an addiction for so many of us all these years later.

You've got the black lung or the, the drop seeds, take some Coca-Cola.

Yes.

So again, sold for the first time this day in 1886.

Happy birthday to Coke.

85 years young today, singer Tony Tennille of the Captain and Tennille.

Greg Bach

Oh

Pat Kreitlow

yeah.

Whoa.

Bring her back.

Oh, I see.

You did it one more time.

I get it.

Greg Bach

Oh, I see.

Okay.

This is this

Pat Kreitlow

is where they are.

Are we pulling are we pulling back the curtain?

Greg Bach

Pulling back the curtain and I'm a little not excited about.

Okay.

You keep keep keep talking, buddy.

Pat Kreitlow

Okay.

Here's the thing.

See to I send

Greg these tunes, but I send them as as links to YouTube videos so that I can tell him exactly where in the song I want it to hit.

But then he's got to go and turn that into a recording because you don't want to rely on just internet links because you might get a commercial or, you know, Shade singing some other tune entirely.

And so he goes to record the bits of these songs.

And most of the time it works as designed.

And sometimes it doesn't.

And as we like to say, hilarity ensued.

Show.

Show.

Shall we try?

Absolutely.

Do we want to do it one more time?

Tony Toneal is 85 years old today.

Greg Bach

No, we can't.

There we go.

Pat Kreitlow

There.

See, we got the nice beginning to it now.

That works.

Greg Bach

Someone literally recorded the three seconds of the song and put that in there and didn't mark it.

I'm taking it further behind the curtain.

Pat Kreitlow

Further.

Somebody's, Greg's going to take somebody behind the curtain

with a Louisville slugger if this keeps

Pat Kreitlow

up.

Child TV star teen idol actor singer Ricky Nelson was born this day in 1940.

So he too would have been 85 years old today, born the same day as Tony Toneal, but tragically died back in 1985 at the age of 45.

Singer Enrique Galacius is the big 5-0 today.

Oh,

Greg Bach

wow.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, I know.

Uh, and now, so his, his dad was Julio Iglesias.

And so, and still is.

I'm just wondering how old he might be, but I didn't look that up.

I do.

Greg Bach

I guess eighties.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, I know.

Uh, here's one more birthday.

Phillip Bailey from earth, wind and fire.

He is 74 years old today.

I think there are a lot of folks who are younger than me and they only know Philip Bailey from like Easy Lover, the duet that he did with Phil Collins, because his name was on that one instead of Earth, Wind and Fire.

But loved, loved hearing him do all the Earth, Wind and not all the Earth, Wind and Fire songs, but many of them.

So

Greg Bach

Julio Iglesias is 81 years old.

Pat Kreitlow

All right, there we go.

Happy birthday.

No, not him.

Enrique, his kid.

His kid is 50 years old.

We're happy you're both alive.

That's right.

Former President Harry S. Truman was born this day in 1884.

On the National Day calendar today, this is National Free Trade Day.

Boy, that's ironic.

Today is National Iris Day.

Today is National Make a Book Day.

I'm sure you did that as a kid where you'd fold some construction paper, maybe staple it and do a little handwritten book.

Yeah,

Greg Bach

I'm sure,

Pat Kreitlow

yeah.

I'm sure we all tried that.

Yeah,

Greg Bach

that's the ticket.

Pat Kreitlow

But I will never forget that the very early days of the internet where it was some professor talking about how tough it is to get a book published and a student stand up going, actually, it's easier than ever now.

You just send it through the internet and a company will send you back the finished book.

And just remember my head going, poof, changed everything.

It didn't mean the books were any better, but well, it

Greg Bach

also like nowadays, you're like, oh, he's

Pat Kreitlow

written four books.

Oh, really?

They're self-published.

Oh, OK.

Yeah.

Today is National Coconut Cream Pie Day.

I love coconut cream.

Not my favorite, but I do love it.

National.

What?

What?

Oh, not not a real pie for you, is it?

Greg Bach

It's disgusting.

OK.

Coconut's

Pat Kreitlow

the worst.

This is World Ovarian Cancer Awareness Day.

Please, ladies, get your annual checkups, National Student Nurse Day, and of course, finally, National Have A Coke Day, which is normally what you say, you know, after you jink somebody.

But you don't even have to wait for the jinks this time.

Just go have a Coke.

That's right.

Say happy birthday to that one lucky pharmacist.

Still ahead, Senator, State Senator Sarah Kieske, Melissa Baldoff has climate check.

We'll talk about Sean Duffy's hypocrisy on fixing our broken air traffic control system.

All ahead here on these Thursday mornings, powered by Up North News, I'm Pat Krightlo.

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