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It's cloudy, but it's getting brighter out there.
Nothing like the storm that was going through around 2 a.m., which then made its way to Central Wisconsin and continues on the warpath here.
Meteorologist Brittany Merlot joins us right off the top to talk about that.
And then what's coming up a little bit later, which could be a little stronger, louder, attention grabbing, if nothing else.
So she'll be tracking that throughout the day.
So you should be listening for updates throughout the day.
But Brittany, where's, where's the current activity right about now?
Absolutely.
So what we've got going on right now is those rain still coming down some frequent lightning actually cloud to ground with some big rolls of thunder going on right now into Wausau moving towards Antigo and also there's a storm right now that's got some pea sized hail into Appleton and rolling up I-41 towards Green Bay.
So heads up for that.
It's not severe warned.
Nothing is at the moment.
This is just our heads up ground as the warm front moves into the state.
So what we've got
going on this afternoon is it's going to be breezy.
Winds are going to be pulling out of the south, warming us up.
They're going to be gusting around 30 to 40 miles per hour.
It's going to get muggy.
It's going to get pretty humid in some places, especially west and south.
And we are looking at temperatures hitting into the 80s for the southern parts of the state, probably some 60s up north.
And of course, this afternoon, if any thunderstorm, especially if it's all alone, isolated by itself, if that sparks around two.
two, three, four o'clock this afternoon, keep an eye on it.
Those have the potential to rapidly turn severe, bringing large hail, high wind gusts, and the environment is perfect for a tornado today.
We're probably going to see some tornado watches going out.
That means just be ready.
The conditions are right.
I'm telling you right now that they are.
And if a tornado warning goes out, that means that it's actually seen by someone, a tornado is on the ground, or it is seen on radar where we're seeing strong winds in this small area coming at the radar and away from it.
So that pretty much signifies a twister.
out there.
So if you have a tornado warning in your area throughout this evening or even into the overnight, you need to have a heads up because we have multiple waves of storms going through only the first round starts in the afternoon.
We've got a cold front that still moves through this evening, probably around six o'clock starting far northwest, moving its way through central areas through the evening after dark.
And this line too could have tornadoes embedded in it, which would be rain wrapped.
You wouldn't see them anyways because it's dark.
hail, large hail is expected with this one, and also some wind gusts up to 70 miles per hour are possible.
So we've got a lot going on.
I mean, you can feel it out there today.
It's so warm and so muggy, so rapidly.
These are all the ingredients for these strong storms.
And in fact, the Storm Prediction Center has put a good chunk of Wisconsin in the bullseye in a moderate risk, which is a four out of five on that risk scale.
doesn't get much worse really.
So we really need to keep our heads up and the entire state is at least in an enhanced risk.
It does lessen a little bit as we move away from central Wisconsin into eastern areas.
So hopefully those storms will weaken as they move through and move east, but otherwise I would just keep an eye out everywhere today because we could have a regional outbreak.
Yeah,
just pay attention.
That's all we're telling you today.
Is this, this would not be the way we don't want anybody afterwards going, I had no idea this was, it's not going to sneak up on us today.
Not with these conditions out there.
No.
All right, Brittany, thank you very much.
Have a great day.
We'll talk to you a little later.
Oh, wait, before I let you go, Dana and LaCrosse on the text line.
Do we know which direction the strongest wins will be coming from?
Um, are we talking about just today?
Those will be out of the south.
If we're talking about in a storm, the storm is going to be moving from west to east, probably moving at about 50 miles per hour in those lines coming through.
Okay.
So south and west, uh, you want to be mindful of.
Yes.
Okay.
I don't know if they're moving patio furniture or just want to know where to be in the basement, but we wanted to answer that question from Dana.
All right.
Thanks,
Brittany.
Appreciate it
very
much.
You're welcome.
Hey, you can sign up for our, oh wait, Robin Tigerton, by the way, also notes heavy rain and pea-sized hail in Tigerton around 7.50 this morning.
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And of course, we had yesterday's issue all about the arrest by Donald Trump's FBI of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Duggan on Friday morning.
felony charges claiming that she intentionally misdirected federal agents away from an undocumented immigrant that they were trying to arrest at her courthouse on April 18th.
Now this is the latest in a two-part power play by Donald Trump against the judicial system.
He is seeking to not be held accountable
by judges who rule against some of his actions, I mean, define even the U.S.
Supreme Court at times.
And at the same time, he is seeking to intimidate judges and others in the legal system who are trying to maintain an independent and co-equal branch of government.
Federal officers have repeatedly been coming to local courthouses.
to take alleged undocumented immigrants into custody and it's a practice that's been criticized by judges and others who note the dangers to public safety.
Not just any disturbance inside of a courthouse, for example, but the fear as well that people will just stop showing up when they've been charged with crimes and become fugitives and the people who will not report crimes.
for fear that they will be arrested and deported.
And frankly, that's something that would affect all of us if the only witness to a crime that affected us were an undocumented immigrant.
So Judge Dugan was angered that federal agents were once again crowding the courthouse hallway, causing disruptions in the court calendar, including a case for Eduardo Flores Ruiz, an undocumented immigrant who was in court as part of a fight with his roommate over music volume.
And federal agents showed up believing that he was an undocumented immigrant and wanted to arrest him.
We're all there in the hallway.
The Judge Dugan instructed Flores Ruiz to use a different door to still exit into the public hallway.
For whatever reason, the agents did not make an arrest right away.
They simply watched as Flores Ruiz walked into an elevator and out of the building, agents approached him outside the courthouse.
He tried to run away and was taken into custody.
But for folks who were telling you that the judge is leading him like some secret elevator through some secret door and out into the street and she held his hand and helped him across the street and everything else, no.
It's, there's the door, use it, go out into that public hallway.
I've got a courtroom to run here.
The reaction was swift from both sides of the partisan aisle, Democrats calling it an overreach, gravely serious, weaponizing law enforcement.
Republicans, meanwhile, say that they may attempt to remove Judge Duggan from office.
And in doing so, those Republicans would simply assist Trump with his intimidation campaign against judges.
So it's a story we will continue to follow here on civic media and, of course, over at Up North News as well.
814, quick check of sports here.
The Brewers were winners, snapping that four game losing streak by finally beating the St.
Louis Cardinals yesterday, seven to one.
Christian Yelich had two hits, two RBIs, Jackson Churio two hits, Jose Quintana struck out six over five innings.
allowing one run on five hits and he becomes the first Brewer pitcher to win his first four starts with the team since CeCe Sabathia in 2008.
The Brewers are off today.
They are on the south side of Chicago tomorrow to play the White Sox Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
They are back home against the Cubs starting on Friday.
The Milwaukee Bucks are on the verge of another humiliating first round playoff elimination at the hands of the Indiana Pacers.
They lost 129 to 103 last night to go down three games to one to Indiana.
Dame Lillard went out with what is feared to be an injured Achilles.
Game five is the early evening game tomorrow in Indianapolis.
So there are plenty of concerns that
this American economy is either on the verge of a recession or is there, and of course, you don't know a recession the moment it hits.
It's a backward looking statistic.
You have to have like a quarter or two of negative growth before it's officially called a recession.
Maybe we're there already.
I mean, there are ports in this country normally teaming with ships bringing in goods from China.
Those ports are...
nearly empty according to some reports.
That's going to lead to empty store shelves.
What happens if a recession does hit, especially as we've all been watching retirement or as soon as we've been watching Wall Street?
What does this mean for your retirement?
We've talked to Sean O'Malley in the past with his work as a compliance officer on Wall Street, but he also works in financial planning and we asked him to come back and talk to us a bit about protecting your nest egg as well.
Sean, welcome back.
How are you?
See what
We are definitely hoping for that.
So look, it's always tough.
We're updating our finances over the weekend and watching how much things had gone down from January 1st to March 31st to the end of the quarter.
Again, every individual is different, but from a 30,000 foot level, what's your advice, especially to folks approaching or approaching retirement about minimizing the damage to that nest egg if the economy takes a downturn?
Yeah, that's a concern that I think a lot of Americans have given the overall uncertainty right now.
And that's certainly reflected in how consumers
are approaching the marketplace.
Consumer confidence is at its lowest in 12 years.
So people are not feeling comfortable.
We're seeing this reflected in a lot of different ways.
People are changing.
They're buying patterns, spending patterns.
And yes, there's also the very real concern of
what's the ultimate impact going to be of the tariffs, particularly when you look at the tariffs that we're dealing with against China, where are you tracking out 145%.
So there's a lot of uncertainty out there.
There are a lot of unknowns.
My best advice for the personal investor is when you don't see any good opportunities to buy something,
Go with something that is basically as conservative as possible I'm a big advocate for money market funds when you're just not really sure or comfortable It that it's a good time to get into stocks necessarily I would say there's a lot of volatility there.
There are a lot of unknowns We don't know especially if we do wind up going into a recession which as you correctly point out It's always a backwards-looking measure, but
A lot of the tariffs seem to be sitting up in an environment where the likelihood of recession has increased.
And if you look at most of the forecasts from the big houses on Wall Street, that number has gone from single digits, maybe 10% up to 45, 50, in some cases, 60% for a recession this year.
So not a great time to buy stocks.
Unfortunately, also not a great time to buy bonds either.
You see demand for American assets really go down across the board internationally.
And so what's happening is that there are fewer buyers for American Treasury bonds and corporate bonds.
A lot of the foreign countries are sort of shying away from American assets in general, which is, of course, driving up the yields.
Was yields go up?
you know, prices go down, but will prices continue to go down or will they come back up?
And that's the question mark.
Right.
It gets to that expression, never try to catch a falling knife.
Sean O'Malley is with us right now, still ahead this hour.
Senator Keldoroy is on a bill about protecting women's most private health care decisions.
And Jane McNair on the way as well.
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Gentlemen, less typey typey, more listening, please.
Nobody's advocating for illegal criminals.
Let's get back to the facts again of what we're facing in our economic situation with Sean O'Malley.
And we've been talking a bit about personal finances before we turn back to the general economy at large.
And Sean, as you were saying before the break, I mean, there's not a lot of safe harbors, but you can try to steer people toward the closest thing that we can find to them.
And when you talk about, this isn't really a great buying opportunity.
And yet there are people that do try to do it.
And that's why I mentioned that phrase, don't try to catch a falling knife.
For folks that haven't heard that, tell us why that's actually pretty good financial advice.
And one of the main reasons is that no one can time the market.
People who try to time the market are those who often wind up
at least getting suboptimal performance, or at least not as good a performance as they would get, is if they just bought a particular, say, you know, broad market index fund like, and this would be 500 index fund, and just left alone.
If you're going in and out, you're going to wind up losing a lot of opportunities.
There was a study done a number of years ago that said,
Compared the the performance of something like the S&P 500 in this case was the S&P 500 and if you'd missed the 25 best days and what the difference would be in your returns and it was It was a huge huge difference as you might expect so the set it and forget it mentality is I think important especially in times of uncertainty I'm getting personal texts and calls from
you know friends who look to me for advice saying what should I do I'm worried that we're down and my advice is you know at this point you are where you are just ride it out if you have new money coming in that's when I was suggesting you know go more money market don't necessarily try to catch that falling knife because it can cut you for sure.
And it does a lot of investors.
And that too is where in talking to folks, I've kind of said the same thing.
I'm like, look, I have every intention of outliving Donald Trump.
And whatever this is, this cast that he's brought, and all of us who are going to outlive this will reap the benefits in the long run.
It is going to be very stressful to look at things on a day to day basis.
Now, we do it as part of the daily news.
But that's different than a long-term financial strategy.
But to come back to the daily news for a moment, I mentioned the reports of severely decreased traffic in our ports.
And you were noting to me that just from a corporate standpoint alone, places like auto manufacturers are starting to make adjustments as well.
We've seen the first major decision from an international
automaker, in this case Subaru.
They have a large facility in Indiana.
They're looking primarily at the outback vehicle in this, but a lot of the vehicles made at that Indiana plant are sold to Canada.
Unfortunately now, due to the tariffs that Trump put on Canada of 25% and the reciprocal tariffs that Canada has now put on US made vehicles going into Canada of also 25%.
Subaru has decided that rather than having Canadian sold vehicles be US made, they're going to take Japanese made Subaru outbacks and ship those to Canada to be sold in Canada to avoid the punitive 25% tariff.
We've also seen as well that states have been fighting back on this and have been filing lawsuits, businesses have been doing the same.
So again, this is something Trump has been trying to do unilaterally with a Congress that is either complicit or non-existent.
But if you're gonna try to follow all of the comings and goings of these tariffs and these budget cuts, you'd have to watch a whole lot of courthouses as well.
So I mean, it really does, again, say, you know, stay up to date on things, but you can't, you just can't over manage or micromanage or over worry this thing.
It just know that it's not great, but that, you know, again, thankfully we've got some general advice, like what you're giving, and hope you don't mind stopping in on a few more Mondays now and then, and before the opening bell, we'll find out what you're thinking as we head into things.
Absolutely.
One thing to keep in mind for this week to watch out for is the non-farm payroll number, which comes out at 830 every Friday, Eastern Standard Time.
That's going to be a good indicator of what's going on with the jobs market.
So we'll be staying tuned to that for this Friday and we can chat about it on
Monday.
Yeah, looking forward to it.
Sean O'Malley, thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Have a good start to the week.
Thank you.
All right.
Hey, coming up just ahead here, we're going to have Senator Kelder Royce talking about
a bill or bills that aren't necessarily going to pass the legislature.
But it's important that they be introduced anyway, so that people know who is fighting for their health care rights and some of the most personal decisions that they make.
And then a little bit later, Jane McNair will be here to tell us what to expect on McNair on air in its new time slot from 9 to 11, right after our program here.
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There includes an article about all the farmers markets that you can find around Wisconsin, many that will be opening soon.
And some of the biggest ones that you might want to put on your road trip bucket list, perhaps none more so.
then the one in the district of our next guest here, State Senator Kelder Royes, who joins us from up in the Hayward area where the Joint Finance Committee is going to be meeting to talk about the state budget.
So we're going to talk about the state budget.
We're going to talk about women's health.
But since since we were just talking about farmers markets and your backyard, we're going to first say good morning to Kelda and talk about how envious we are that that big old market that wraps all around the state capital building is right there in your backyard.
sweets.
You know what?
I run around there like a crazy person.
Not for the sweet so much but for the spicy cheese bread.
that's yeah
there it's it's just uh just amazing uh okay well let's let's start on a very serious topic here and then we're going to get to joint finance and the women's health but this politically motivated arrest of a milwaukee county judge on friday
Perhaps might have been an even bigger splash publicly if it weren't for a Friday, but I don't think that the anger over it is going to be dissipating.
I think it's only going to grow as more people, especially those who are Republican-leaning, go, this is not what they say it is.
This is something that's not cool, arresting a judge.
And that's the most flippant way I can put it, saying it's not cool.
It's serious, Kelda.
I mean, as an attorney, I read the criminal complaint, so-called complaint from the FBI agent, and there's really nothing there.
They didn't like that she was angry that they were showing up in her courtroom to try to arrest and deport someone who was appearing there.
I mean, we all have an interest in society and people being willing to come to court.
If you have been victimized, if you are a witness and you need to testify against somebody in a criminal trial, if you need to show up to court for family law,
Everybody deserves to be able to have their day in court, and that includes people who are immigrants, whether they're documented or not, and to turn the courthouse into a place where people are getting arrested and judges who are trying to administer justice are being hauled off in handcuffs in an attempt to intimidate them.
That is very scary.
That is one of the clearest signals we have that they are marching full forward towards authoritarianism.
And to second that notion, not just the authoritarianism, but the intimidation, it's not as if they don't know where a lot of these folks are or have been.
They may see that they are in court records.
And even then, they could certainly try to arrest them outside of the courthouse.
But to do this right outside a judge's chamber, right outside a courtroom, can't be interpreted any other way than an authoritarian intimidation tactic.
And as Ann Jacobs pointed out, the door that they went through went to a public hallway.
And one of the agents actually rode the elevator with the person, but didn't arrest him in the elevator.
And, you know, they kind of manufactured this situation because they wanted to make an example of her.
And I think it has a lot to do with also deflecting attention from the fact that they have deported numerous children, United States citizens, babies, some of whom were suffering from cancer.
And they just put them on a plane to another country with no medication and no
support.
It is the things that we're going to continue to learn.
But again, you have these these kinds of diversions.
And frankly, it was reading the interpretation from Anne Jacobs, who's the chair of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, and just a top notch lawyer.
And you read through that.
And you realize, I'm not going to say it was a setup, but and let me hasten to add one thing here.
When people go, oh, it's Democrats.
You just don't want, you don't mind it.
They could do anything.
No, there are things that this judge or any other judge could could be doing where we would say, no, no, no, no, no, you may not have liked the situation, but you can't do that.
But pointing somebody toward a door that didn't continue to cause the chaos outside her courthouse.
You know that that just takes things a you know to a whole different level, which is why we wanted to have the discussion that we did Let's
cover
while you're up in Hayward and wassa as a member of the joint finance committee going over the state budget Where people can again have their public input.
I'm sure you expect a busy day.
What do you what are you expecting to hear?
Well, I'm expecting to hear from people all over northern Wisconsin about how important it is for us to be funding our K-12 public schools.
We know that Republicans have put our public schools and our kids on a starvation diet for 15 years.
Meanwhile, they've been shoveling massive tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires and taking money out of the public school system to put it into private, unaccountable voucher schools.
People are mad all over the state when they talk about
what it means for their kids to have these underfunded schools, what it's doing to our teachers, and it's causing a crisis in education.
People are also concerned about childcare, very concerned about potential cuts to badger care, and of course all the chaos and corruption and fiscal mismanagement that we see in public administration.
And so folks want to, if they can't be in Hayward today or Wausau tomorrow, we've mentioned this several times, there is an email address that you can use to give legislators on the Joint Finance Committee your input.
And it goes like this, budget.comments, budget.
dot comments at legis legis for legislature legis dot wisconsin dot gov one more time budget dot comments at legis dot wisconsin dot gov uh kelda as a state senator for you former state senator to me uh you and i both know those emails do not go into a black hole the there is significance in significance in letting people know letting legislators know what you think
No, and sometimes not necessarily on a dime, but sometimes you see a change of heart or a change in position.
And I would point toward the recent vote in the state Senate overwhelmingly to extend postpartum care, postpartum Medicaid coverage to women for 12 months, postpartum, not just 60 days.
Now, there's still an uphill battle to get past Speaker Voss in the Assembly.
So we can talk about the merits of the issue, but I guess just from the standpoint of there are still things that can become increasingly bipartisan if people continue to know what they think their lawmaker should be doing, they can make a difference.
I mean, several years ago, you really didn't have Republicans standing up for new moms on badger care.
They were fine to let...
our state kicked new moms off 60 days after giving birth.
But over time, I think the public pressure has grown so great.
I mean, it's so cool.
And we have kind of a third world infant and maternal mortality rate driven in large part by the lack of health care and health insurance coverage for new moms, especially low-income moms who often have to go right back to work with no leave.
And over time, the Republicans have responded to that pressure.
But it remains to be seen whether they're willing to actually stand up for their convictions, stand up for these new moms, or they're just going to let the speaker continue to block it and hide behind him.
And there are two ways that they could pass this bill, even over the speaker's objections.
The first is they could put it in the budget.
They don't need a single assembly Republican.
They have all the Senate Democratic votes and assembly Democratic votes, and every Senate Republican who already voted for it.
We could put it in the budget.
today um well not today because we're not voting but we could certainly keep it in the budget the other thing they could do is they could try to pull the bill in the assembly onto the floor out of committee now they would have to break ranks and they would have to say no boss this is more important than your power plays uh and it remains to be seen whether republicans are willing to do that
this is you know something that i first heard about last week and i think from you or somebody quoting you about the whole notion of
just put it in the budget bill.
And by the way, for folks who go, oh, no, the Republicans, they only strip all policy out of the budget bill.
No, they don't.
They strip out the policy they don't like.
This is something this is something that still could very easily go in the budget bill.
And it would be a great way for Republicans on the Joint Finance Committee who want to just send a little message to Robin Voss saying, this is so overwhelmingly bipartisan that, you know, we're not letting you wield all the power on this one.
Let's talk about the bill that would remove abortion care restrictions, restore health care rights in Wisconsin.
What's in the legislation that you and others have introduced?
We just launched the Abortion Rights Restoration Act, and this bill does a number of really important things.
Number one, it puts in the state statute that you and I all have a right to bodily autonomy.
We get to make our own health care decisions, including abortion.
Number two, it repeals that horrible 1849 law that bans virtually all abortion in the state.
And number three, it repeals a lot of the Walker era restrictions that made abortion so difficult for people to get, so burdensome and so much more expensive that even under Roe v. Wade, many women did not functionally have the true right to access abortion.
So it does all those three things and basically says there's never a circumstance, there's never a time
when a politician knows better than you and your doctor, what's best for you and your life and your circumstances.
Now, this is again, a case of a bill that I'm going to safely predict is not going to be passed into law.
And yet, I know, I know, I'm such a negative Nancy.
But there's a reason why you still introduce things like these.
So allow me to put that ball on the tee.
Why, why even put these bills in the hopper?
because I think it's really important for the voters who elected us and handed Democrats enormous victories in the legislature to know that we're fighting for them.
We're not giving up on this issue.
We also need to put pressure on these Republicans.
You know, abortion is popular.
It's way more popular than the Republican Party right now.
81% of people want this to be a private decision between a patient and a doctor, not a political one where you've got Republican politicians inserting themselves.
So their position is deeply unpopular, and I think it's up to us to force the issue and make them talk about it.
And, you know, within 24 hours of releasing that bill, we had one state rep
put out a really unhinged press release attacking me and comparing abortion rights to the Holocaust and people who have abortions to Hitler.
I mean it was it was crazy unhinged and I think it's important that people see that because it does inform how active they are and their voting decision.
And you do see this in floor debates.
I know that Dr. Kristen Lyrely and I two years ago in the budget during the floor debate, we brought up these excerpts from Republicans.
You know, one of them said, well, as a as a veterinarian, I know more about the, you know, the biology of birth than almost anybody in this chamber and other similar ridiculousness.
So it is important that these bills are introduced, that they're talked about, which is why we have civic media.
It's why we have up north news is to say, look, a lot of a lot.
of mainstream media sites are simply not talking about these kinds of things and you deserved to know what these legislators are introducing and what the significance would be and the last thing Calda would be that this is not this is actually standing up for a position and not some kind of a move toward the mushy middle which I know a lot of Democrats get pinged on this is not just well we'll keep these restrictions but not these it's no this is a right is a right.
And you know, when when we see in other states and even in Wisconsin after Dobbs, women being turned away from hospital emergency rooms, women being forced to bleed out and go septic in a Walmart parking lot, that is a nightmare.
And the more people see of the anti-choice hellscape that these Republican extremists want to create for us, the less they want of it.
And I think it's really important that, you know, people will vote for elected officials, even if they don't agree with every single.
thing that person believes in diverse country, right?
We're never
going to
in.
There you go.
Kilda Rice.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
We'll talk again real soon.
All right.
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These three-hour shows are busy ones.
Here's what we've got tomorrow, Dan Schaefer.
It starts a regular stint with us to talk more about stories to watch for in Wisconsin politics this week.
Green Bay Mayor Eric Gennrich will talk about what Democrats need to do differently to win in 2026.
On Wednesday, should Wisconsin utilities get an advantage when it comes to new transmission line projects?
On Thursday, days of action around the country for May Day.
from people who are cheesed off about Trump's first 100 days.
And on Friday, Brian Kennedy, mayor of Glendale, heads a national organization of local elected leaders, encouraging others to run for office.
Y'all should run for something at least once out there, school board, town board, whatever the case may be, and engage in a public service.
Jane McNair engages in public service every weekday morning from 9 to 11, along with Greg Bach, along with Sam over there, who's in Madison, making sure we actually stay up.
on air, despite my internet outages here in Chippewa Falls.
So Jane, good morning.
It is nice to see and hear you.
How was your weekend?
Weekend was good.
Pat, quite low.
And I'm loving your three hour show, by the way, because I listen all the way down and it's great.
Really?
You're doing a great job.
It sounds
fantastic.
I'm now looking forward to the daily emails with your critiques and say, do this, do this, do that differently.
Bring this person in.
No,
you
sound fantastic.
Oh, no, I thrive on the feedback.
Not just the little trolls over here in the comment section, but you know, some of the other stuff as well.
So it'll be fun.
I would imagine that among the topics on Matt and Aaron Aaron that you and Greg will be discussing deals with the rest of that Milwaukee County judge on Friday.
We are.
We're going to start off talking about Judge Dugan and the process moving on.
And I also found, I think it's very interesting when I like to check the letters to the editor in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
And there are a number of people checking in on both sides of this.
And many people are on Judge Dugan's side saying that
Essentially, she did nothing wrong, and it is important for us to stand up to the Trump administration and then others saying, lock her up forever.
And let's just, you know, do process, do schmosses, whatever.
So, yeah.
So we will be starting off with that.
And then we did want to do a little break, and we've been meaning to talk about this for a couple of weeks.
You know what it's like, Pat.
The new cycle changes so rapidly and things happen so quickly, sometimes things get bumped.
And we did want to talk about this resignation at 60 minutes and CBS.
So we're going to be talking about that coming up around 1020.
And what the Trump administration, the effect it's having on journalism.
I tell you what, what Scott Pelley had to say, essentially spanking their new corporate parent on air like that was
I mean, just perfect.
It was absolute, an absolute golden moment for journalism.
Yep.
And so I'm glad to hear that you are talking about that as well.
And to come back to Judge Duggan's arrest for a moment, I'll say, I said it early in the hour, but I'm going to say it again.
There are most definitely conditions where you and I and others would say, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, a judge cannot do that.
That is, that is a step too far.
Directing them out a different door into the same public hallway.
That ain't it.
And if that was her way of saying to these guys, I don't need to make your job any easier.
He's not coming out the main door.
He's coming out that door.
And they're still watching him go right into an elevator.
I mean, again, there is a line that judge could have crossed this ain't it.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's not like she gave him a disguise and then led him out a different secret hallway.
And the other thing too, and I find this a little bit disturbing and looking at some of the reporting on this.
A lot of the stories lack the detail that he went out into the public hall way where there were ICE agents and the one that rode down in the elevator with him.
That's kind of missing from some other reporting that I've seen.
That seems like kind of an important detail.
Yeah.
No, it doesn't lock her up forever.
Lock her up and throw it.
Lock them all up.
Jane.
I
know.
I'm just imagining that the Greg Bach disguise, you know, they just, she puts a beard on them and, and the, the, the hair and the glasses and says, no, you go down.
They'll never recognize you.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
And then later on, we're going to be talking to Will Westmoreland.
He joined us a couple of months ago.
He has a channel on YouTube called the back 40 and he is a farmer in Southwestern Wisconsin.
essentially a blue dot surrounded by lots of red.
He's in Missouri, though.
Oh, he's in Missouri, southwestern Missouri.
Yeah.
And what that's like and what he's hearing, he kind of went viral responding to a young farmer who was freaking out about the tariffs.
And so we're going to have a little update with Will Westmoreland and what he's hearing from a farmers in his area.
So this and this is somebody in
Missouri.
Yes,
I said
because
We had a guest, uh, Jess Piper on from Missouri, uh, some time ago now, but who started a group called dirt road Democrats to remind folks that there, there are still plenty of real Democrats out there.
They
just, they all feel like they're the only one.
Yeah.
And so consequently they're, they're maybe not as, as active as they could be.
And she's trying to help them all see where you all are still out there.
And it's, it's okay to be public about what is, what is not going.
right out there.
Thanks to these tariffs, lack of due process, everything else.
Did you watch any of the draft since it was in Green Bay?
I never left
my house.
I was glued to my tellage.
Okay, that's a blatant lie.
Sarcasm.
Yeah, I did not watch the draft.
That's okay.
What did you I mean, I'm delighted that I'm delighted that things went well for Green Bay and the city looked wonderful.
And I hope people went away with great impressions of Green Bay and Wisconsin.
That's fantastic.
I guess I'm missing.
I don't understand the hype.
Well, you know, I do have to agree.
I'm glad it was a big event, but especially once you got past the first round, it's you're literally watching a hundred thousand or more people standing in a parking lot as they read off names.
OK.
Exciting.
Yes.
I mean, even as a TV show, I'm like.
I'm not going to watch this.
This one is watching just to see if Shaddur Sanders was ever going to be picked, but literally that, that was it for that.
But again, a lot of, a lot of people want to be there.
Great economic impact.
Great.
It worked
out well.
So
for there, there's our scintillating sports talk for this hour.
Jane Matinair and Greg Bach are back for Matinair on air coming up next.
Thank you, Jane.
Thanks, Pat.
Greg, we'll see you in the morning.
Sam,
thanks
as always.
Appreciate it.
And thanks again to all of today's guests.
Kelderoy's, Kristen Lyrely, Selena Heller, Joe Hovel, Mike Dombeck, Sean O'Malley, and all of you for being here this morning.
I'm Pat Crightlow, founding editor of Up North News, the Wisconsin Home for Courier newsroom, a pro democracy newsroom, building a more informed, engaged and representative America.
Have a great day.
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