Will a $100 Bribe Offset Tariff Damage? (Hour 2)

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Brittany Merlot is standing by with her forecast.

Dr. Kristen Lierly is here along with Greg Bach down in Racine.

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7.09 is the time and we talked about the mattresses from Verlo, not Merlo.

That's Merlo who gets the forecast for us.

And Brittany, there's a bit of a glaze out there on the roads over here in the Chippewa Valley this morning as we continue this.

It's warming up.

No, it's not.

It's still cold.

It's warming up again.

It's still cold.

So you got to be a little careful out there this morning.

Yeah, that's our second winter.

That's for sure.

Oh my gosh, we got smacked here in the Walsa area with a good eight inches of snowfall yesterday.

Same with Langlaid, Marathon County Portage, even into Ocanto County getting well over six inches of snowfall.

But the snow is flying.

The rain was out there yesterday.

A lot of places icing up across the state this morning as temperatures are below freezing.

There is still some snow flying into the Fox Valley.

We're still looking at a winter storm morning in Iron County through this afternoon with another three inches left to go for you.

A winter weather advisory into areas off of Lake Superior as well with another inch or two left.

and of course the rest of the state staying mostly cloudy and still breezy today.

Winds are around 20 to 30 miles per hour out of the Northwest, slapping wind chills on top of colder temperatures.

So it is going to be a crisp one out there.

Highs will hit the upper 20s to low 30s, far northeast areas of the state, and then low to mid 40s for central and southwestern parts today.

But we will stay dry and seasonal this week.

Highs in the 40s, 50s are possible later.

We are looking at a wet weekend though.

I see conditions out there this morning.

So be careful.

All right.

And let's see, we got, there's a lot in the mail bag this morning here.

Much of it political.

So I'm sifting through to find from Rob.

Good morning from Tigerton.

It's cloudy and 27.

We had seven and a half inches of wet, heavy snow.

I was plowing snow till 9.30.

My snowblower broke down and I did a lot of shoveling and

I took my

time.

We had the Northern Lights Friday and Saturday night.

I took a bunch of pictures of the Northern Lights.

It was an amazing scene, but I had a big breakfast to get energy to finish my jobs.

Roads are slippery with icy spots and blowing and drifting in rural areas.

So, Rob, take care of yourself.

Please, Rob.

Yeah,

we don't ask for much, Rob.

Does anybody

know if Rob works alone?

Is he or does he have a team?

Rob is Rob.

Rob

is Rob.

All right.

Enough said.

Team Rob.

All you need.

All you need.

We are Rob's team.

Then

take

super

duper care of yourself, Rob.

Please.

Okay.

That's just.

Selena, I believe you had a question for the meteorologist.

Yes, so I have a friend who's a meteorologist and every time she gets frustrated this morning was one of those mornings and she says science lesson for you ahead of the arrival of a major storm which occurs due to an increase of moisture in our atmosphere we start to have the beginnings of that moisture way up high at plane level as the planes fly across the sky release warm air into the atmosphere contrails form as the warm air causes that water vapor to condense they may link

some days longer than others due to very light winds and all that extra moisture in our sky.

The government is not spraying something to make this storm happen.

It's just atmospheric science making contrails appear and linger longer than other days.

And then she goes on to say that you'll hear people believe in them saying they don't see them, they didn't see them before in the 60s or 70s, but that's because air traffic was much less.

And then she says, thank you for coming to my TED Talk when I saw this post and all the replies that made me very sad that people don't understand science.

Also, don't follow a psychic for your weather

information.

Are you calling on Brittany to see if she will agree with your meteorologist friend or is she about to debunk

your

meteorologist

friend?

That's all I have to say, because she's very pressing.

Well,

I was

hanging out with Bigfoot the other day looking at the sky.

All right, Brittany, what do you have to say about the government and com trails?

You know, I agree.

And I like how Selena was saying, con trails.

It's so close to 10 trails.

It is not, it's a con trail.

Okay.

It is just condensation.

It is moisture up in the atmosphere.

It's cold up there and the jets are releasing these warmer, you know, conditions and it's water vapor freezing.

It is simply water vapor.

Well, I

guess we lost Brittany to the big lie.

Yeah.

So the government would have us believe, you know, she's going to have us believe that 2020 was a safe election.

Don't

drag her into

this.

Brittany, thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

Have a wonderful day.

All right.

Just about 7.14 right now.

And you know, poor Kristen's over here.

Well, actually not.

Poor Kristen.

She's over here going, yes.

It's like, thank goodness it's, we're talking about meteorological science right now and not medical science and folks anywhere around it.

Science.

Science.

Okay.

Again, science.

And.

And by the way, also this past week, a lot of people have been remembering five years ago this week when COVID really, you know, took a hold of, you know, Wisconsin had arrived, people are starting to die.

We were trying to do social distancing.

We still didn't know everything about this terrible condition.

And so people go, oh, science was wrong back then.

Science is not like one thing on stone tablets, Kristen, or we'd still be using leeches.

Yeah, science is always evolving and things are changing and we're learning new things and sometimes we learn that the things that we thought were true are not necessarily true, but that's all part of the process and we've got to believe in the process and we've got to believe in each other, you know, this is like it all comes down to division versus unity and politicians using things like misinformation to divide us and make us suspicious of each other so that we don't trust each other because then they can control us.

But we're not going to let that happen.

We're seeing it happen on a high level.

But in our communities, we're not going to let that happen.

And that's exactly why it's important to get out and vote on April 1.

Vote for the things in your communities, your school board races, your city council races, and definitely for the state superintendent and our state Supreme Court.

So, opening your mind and actually listening to the people who are dealing with something, what a toss to Selena as we talk about a recent legislative hearing about some anti-trans bills and a gentleman who attended.

Selena, take it from there.

Yes, Larry.

He's from Milwaukee and he came in support of Assembly Bill 104, which

which looks to ban all forms of gender affirming care for anyone under 18.

So there were so many people there testifying for and against and he was in an overflow room waiting, waiting his turn and he was amongst all of these people who were going in there to testify.

He listened all day for like six, seven, eight hours.

And then Larry went in there and he's kind of, it was

kind of an amazing turn of events.

So listen to Larry.

First of all, I'd like to apologize to you people.

I was invited here to give my support for Bill 101.

I have very little knowledge of gay people and things like that there.

So when I came here,

My eyes were open.

I was one of the critics that sat on the side and made the decisions.

There was only two genders.

So I got an education that was unbelievable.

And I don't know just exactly how to say this, but my perspective for people have changed.

So I don't think, the more the time, I apologize for being here and I learned a very lot.

And

followed by Larry.

Larry's taking the internet by storm with his story.

The world needs more Larry's.

He listened.

He learned and he changed his mind and he was so courageous.

He could have just left, right?

Yeah, right.

He went in there and said, I was wrong.

And again, because

And I hate that it always has to be this way.

It's like, you know, the people who are, you know, oh, anti-gay until like their son or their daughter is gay or something.

And then they get this education and exposure and their heart, you know, opens up.

And I wish it didn't have to be this way, but hopefully telling stories and sharing like this from Larry.

Kristen, you've knocked on doors, you know, one conversation at a time can get it done.

I've sat in exam rooms of patients who have had certain perspectives until they've experienced situations for themselves or for their loved ones.

And that is a game changer for people.

But we can't all be diagnosed with cancer or have someone who goes through the transitioning period or needs an abortion in our lives.

And that's fortunate.

We should now have to experience tragedy.

but we can listen to each other and we can learn from each other and we can support each other.

Maybe, yeah, a little, a little compassion goes a long way listening to other folks.

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Travel with me now back to 1986 when Lionel Richie won the Academy Award on this day for the song from the film White Nights.

Then we played 99 Lift Balloons before that.

The whole Cold War part of our culture in the 80s, which we thought was going to be around forever until it wasn't.

Things just change.

Everything comes back around again, Pat.

Just wait.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're best friends with Russia again, Pat.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, they don't want to create the new Soviet Union at all.

No, nothing like that.

Coming up on Wednesday in our homeroom segment at 7.30, Selena, we're going to be talking about school districts and state aid.

And so we'll be talking to somebody, but you've been doing a little bit of reporting on it and really getting a feel for

I don't know how you explain the school funding formula to folks.

It's just so amazingly complex.

But this whole notion of school districts that are land rich, cash poor, and they're in a very unusual situation, which probably explains why there's so many referendums out there.

Yeah, some of those communities across Wisconsin that have lakefront properties, vacation homes, they kind of are at a disadvantage in terms of the school funding formula along with the rest of all of the school districts.

However, this kind of takes it to a whole new level, something you don't necessarily think about, but they have all those

properties in their school district that kind of kind of fudge up the formula even worse.

So like Holcomb has a referendum on the ballot this year because that kind of always is problematic and they can't go.

It's a tricky situation for everybody around because

they have to go to their regular rural taxpayers and ask for more money.

The people who don't have million-dollar homes on the lake,

you know, that's

the thing.

When you've got, when the land value is that skewed because of some pricey homes and, you know, on the lake and other places, you know, it means they're going to get less state aid and yet

Yeah, most of the residents aren't living in places like that, yet their property taxes take a hit as a result.

And Kristen, you know, from legislative campaigns and candidates that you've talked to, I mean, half the battle is explaining the current system.

And with dozens more school referendums on the ballot, we just have to keep at it, have to keep letting people know that the system is not working right now.

And that's why all these these school districts are not greedy.

They're just trying to keep the lights on.

It's incredibly confusing for people, even to know the difference between an operational referendum and a referendum to build new schools.

Some of these schools, many of these schools are having to go back to the people who live there to ask for money just to keep the lights on.

We can't even provide a school funding formula so that our schools can function at a regular level, not anything pie in the sky.

So talking to people about these basic bread and butter things and then also reminding people, especially people who don't have kids in the schools anymore, that schools are the foundations of our community.

This is where we teach our kids and feed our kids and grow our communities and build out the people who are going to be serving us in restaurants and working in our factories and becoming lawyers and doctors.

So it is so much more than.

I don't want money to go to that school because my property taxes are going to go up.

Yeah, I mean, there really has to be that sense of community, which is whatever you referendum committee works on is to establish that.

So keep that in mind, folks, for all the referendums that are going to be on the ballot coming up just eight days from now.

A little bit of sports at 7.25, and it was...

What a weekend for basketball, for hockey.

Obviously, the Badger men and the Marquette men were eliminated from the NCAA tournaments.

The Brewers opened up their Major League season on Thursday afternoon at Yankee Stadium.

We're ready.

We're ready for baseball season.

Ready.

We're

sorry.

Yeah.

There you go.

Greg's ready.

What about the snow?

Bucks are here.

Bucks are in what?

The snow.

What snow?

What snow?

What are you talking about?

This

is where they, she's up north where they play hockey.

I mean, War Road, Minnesota is not.

that terribly far from where she is.

And I mean, they call the place hockey town.

They've cranked out so many amazing college and high school players, including some that were playing in the men's conference tournament game that I attended over the weekend in St.

Paul, watching the Western Michigan Broncos go on to win their conference title.

But again, they had to come down, they had to come back from three goals down.

Well, similarly for the women,

The Badger women were down 3-1 early in the second period and then down 3-2 But the clock was ticking away 19 seconds left

and they were awarded a penalty shot after a scrum in front of the net.

Kirsten Sims put it in the net and off it was to overtime and three minutes into overtime it was Kirsten Sims again and the Badgers win the national title coming back from down two goals in overtime to win four to three.

Honestly between watching the two hockey games in person and the Badgers yesterday I am still just exhausted because playoff hockey is just the best but it takes everything out of you.

It's so fun to watch.

I have a really quick question for you because I don't know much about women's hockey, especially in the college level.

Is there a place for women to go after college to play professionally?

There is now.

There is now.

There is now.

There is now a professional women's hockey league.

It has something like eight or 10 teams.

Don't quote me on this.

Their season is ongoing right now.

I think the Minnesota one is called the Frost.

I should, I

should know cause

I passed by the banners at the Excel energy center, uh, as I was there, but yes, there is now a professional league.

Just like we

talked about with

Christina Lori, there's now a professional women's volleyball league

as well.

Amazing.

You have that's all changed.

I mean, when I was in college hockey, women's hockey at Minnesota, which is like the hockey state was a club sport.

Yeah.

And now we've got women's professional hockey and we've got this dynasty in Wisconsin.

It truly is a dynasty.

We

have six

teams, six teams, Boston, Minnesota, Montreal, New York, Ottawa, Toronto.

And it's only going to grow, just like the WNBA has.

So again, it was kind of our theme starting off the segment is the way that things have grown and changed.

Now there are always going to be some people trying to knuckle drag us back in something or another.

But by and large, we're making some pretty nice progress here on all the fronts.

Kristen Lyle, who is not a part of a women's hockey team, she was,

I could have

been, you could have been, still could.

I think those elbows are pretty sharp over there.

Nobody's,

nobody's doubting you for a moment.

Thank you so much.

Safe travels later today.

Thanks.

I'll wave at you as I'm driving by.

Okay.

Selena Heller.

Thank you for all your reporting.

Appreciate

it so much.

Have a great day.

When we come back, we're going to be talking to Tom Kemp is the chair of the economics department at UW Eau Claire, and we'll be talking about Donald Trump's trade war.

It's going to impact.

people in all kinds of ways.

Will it offset the $100 bribe that Elon Musk is offering Wisconsin voters if they are inclined to vote toward Brad Schimmel?

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So we've mentioned a couple of times here, the rather unique approach that the world's richest man is taking toward helping out Brad Schimmel in the Wisconsin State Supreme Court race.

Now, this should not be a big surprise.

Brad Shimmel was the Republican Attorney General during Scott Walker's second term.

He has run as a Republican in other races.

Now, he's running in this nonpartisan race, but he was very thankful to President Donald Trump for the endorsement over the weekend.

And now Elon Musk is offering voters $100 to sign a petition in opposition to, quote, activist judges.

So, I mean, it's not an outright bribe, but it does raise this question.

$100, is that going to offset what Trump was doing and the kind of things that Brad Shimmel might uphold on the Supreme Court?

Let's see, Adam put it well on YouTube.

Paying people $100 so they can go out and buy a carton of eggs for their household Now the egg prices are a little bit separate.

We've got a bird flu situation But the prices on everything else are liable to be affected by Donald Trump's trade war

And I do say Donald Trump's trade war.

You could always negotiate new deals or you could do what Trump does best and that is make threats and then declare victory at even the slightest change in the status quo.

But at what cost?

And so we've invited in Tom Kempia.

He is the chair of the economics department at UW O'Clair.

Tom, good to have you here.

Thank you very much for joining us this morning.

Oh, thanks.

Happy to be here, Pat.

Yeah.

So can you

Yeah, can you tell two two tariffs 101 for it?

No Well, why not from the very beginning what is it that a tariff is supposed to be for set Donald Trump aside and What what is a tariff as opposed to whatever you would call free trade?

Well a tariff is just a tax on a good or service as it is imported So as the good or service enters the country at either airport or seaport or a land crossing a tax is levied upon that good

Now the Trump administration has levied a wide array of these tariffs across a large, well, pretty much all our major trading partners.

So we're going to see, and we're already seeing, substantial taxes on goods and services as they enter the United

States.

Tax if you will doesn't exist in a vacuum most cases, right?

I mean do do do other countries other companies do they just pay and say well, I guess that's the cost of doing business We'll never see that money again

Well, it's hard to say right we're talking about Hundreds of thousands of businesses likely perhaps perhaps even millions And they will all make their own decisions on whether they want to

Whether it's still profitable for them to operate in US markets as a result of these taxes You know, it may be the case that some businesses choose to do business continue to do business with us I'll be at a higher pass through prices and others may may choose to look elsewhere

So they could pass that cost along but then there's along with the pass along to the consumer there's then the whole notion of

retaliatory tariffs.

And we talked last week about a new analysis of those retaliatory tariffs.

And when that happens, again, you know, what does that do to America's exports, whether you're a, you know, a Wisconsin soybean farmer or a manufacturer or anything like that?

How does how does that impact business?

Yeah, those retaliatory potential, well, there's some retaliatory tariffs that are in place and those that are being threatened.

And

Those are really perhaps the bigger challenge for the state of Wisconsin.

Agricultural imports or excuse me, exports are significant, a significant part of our economy, as are machine parts and other manufactured goods.

So Wisconsin is a pretty significant manufacturing state, and we send a lot of those manufactured goods around the world.

So if...

If various retaliatory tariffs continue escalate or go into effect, that raises costs for Wisconsin firms that are trying to export their product.

And we get a question from Tony on YouTube, a good one here.

Do the companies who have a competitor getting taxed also raise their prices?

He writes, I remember hearing domestic companies raise their prices as well and just take the extra profit frequently.

So a tariff is

I guess in a way designed to stimulate, you know, manufacturing in the US to say, you know, here, let's get more of a market for a domestic product.

But if somebody's already making a product here, I mean, do tariffs give them an incentive to raise their prices as well?

It's difficult to say on any pretty specific firm.

Certainly some, right?

So the existence of tariffs does give

essentially domestic firms license to raise prices it gives to a certain degree right because competitors are facing higher costs so their prices are going to go off so it reduces the level of global competition and therefore you know likely raises prices and

in so doing that you know again tony follows up with how sticky are the prices i would imagine and he would as well prices once a tariff is lifted

may not necessarily come down or at least come down to the pre tariff level.

Yeah, that's right.

It's pretty unlikely that those prices come back down to the pre tariff level.

Yeah,

once they go up data, it's harder for them to come down for a variety of reasons.

Right.

So

Have you noticed a lot of activity heading into this?

I know, for example, Spectrum had a headline that Wisconsin farmers are pre-selling their crops to prepare for the possibility of tariffs.

There was, you know, there were, again, in the manufacturing sector, places were getting whatever orders they could before the tariffs took place.

It basically, the bottom line is it's created uncertainty for

manufacturers, farmers, consumers, distributors, others, right?

I mean, a lot of volatility.

Yeah, that's the real story here is the uncertainty.

You know, tariffs on tariffs off tariffs back on again.

This is uncertainty is expensive.

So if you're trying to do business in this environment, I really feel for anybody who's trying to either export their product from Wisconsin, or if you have supply chains that run through Canada or Mexico or any of the other countries that we're proposing terraces, I really feel for you right now because it's almost impossible to forecast your costs.

And as a consequence, impossible to forecast your productivity.

And that's just a climate where investment becomes less likely to happen.

And of course, less investment.

means lower productivity in the long term and lower or slower economic growth.

So it's really it's self-inflicted harm.

Yeah, there's no reason we had to have this level of uncertainty.

Let's address a couple of comments online that talk about the the trade deficit.

One says there's nothing wrong with tariffs in order to balance out the trade deficit.

Another says Trump increasing tariffs is brilliant and a great way to decrease our trade deficit.

Is that what tariffs do, Tom, or do they decrease a trade deficit?

Well, perhaps they might do so.

That said, it's important to understand what trade deficits are.

Trade deficits aren't like that we owe somebody something.

And trade deficit occurs when we buy imported goods.

So if you went to the mall last weekend and bought some clothing they didn't see Indonesia, you know, you paid for it, right?

You don't owe anything.

But a trade deficit was incurred.

That's what trade deficits are.

They're not like budget deficits where there's somehow some money owed or something like that.

So trade deficits simply represent consumer taste and preferences.

I wanted this good, this thing that I bought clothing made in Indonesia more than I wanted the US dollars.

So to the extent that American consumers have taste and preferences, that they prefer imported goods, we have trade deficits.

All right.

We've got Dale from Walsall on the phone who wants to ask a question about the tariffs themselves.

Dale, good morning.

Thanks for calling in.

What's your question?

Yes, good morning.

Yeah, on the tariffs that are being charged onto products that are imported into this country, I'd like to know where that tariff money that the Trump administration is charging on these imports, where that money

goes to who it goes or what entity it goes to.

I'm hoping that it's not going to end up being in some circuitous way a grift where that tariff money goes to Trump, Musk, and Trump's oligarch friends with under the table or back room deals.

All right, Dale, thank you very much for the call.

Appreciate it.

So, Tom, again, from a purely

textbook standpoint, when a tariff is levied, where's that money supposed to go?

Treasury.

Okay.

And then what

happens with

that, it gets back to that whole notion of we hear all this talk about Elon Musk and others cutting spending.

But are you really cutting spending if you're then sending it out a different way as tax cuts for the very wealthy, but that that gets a step ahead of the tariffs when they originally come in, right?

Yeah, it's so

There's revenue in and expenditure out, and revenue in is pretty clear with tariffs, but expenditure out is a different matter.

And I guess I would say, keep close eye on where the money's going out.

Yeah, exactly.

A total case of following the money.

We've got another Trump supporter asking online, why do liberals only like tariffs when other countries do it?

which, again, I'm gonna take that as a rhetorical question and turn it into something a bit more basic, and that is make the case for tariffs, because, again, this thing is getting criticized, in my opinion, because it's being handled in such a confrontational and ham-handed way, that it's easy for people to say, oh, well, you must be against all tariffs.

No, that's not the case.

Tom, can you make the case when tariffs are a...

proper use by government?

Sure, well the classic case for tariffs is military interest, right?

Like you don't want all your weaponry made overseas for obvious reasons, similarly for food, food, foodstuffs, again for obvious reasons.

And that's why there's sort of more allowances on tariffs in those regards.

I would say that the biggest issue here with this current thing is not the tariffs at all.

It's the tariffs on, tariffs off, tariffs on, tariffs off.

It's the uncertainty that is the big challenge here.

If you think about doing business just in your own personal life, you want to do business with somebody who does what they say they're going to do.

You don't want to do business who somebody constantly changes their mind because it's just pain, right?

It's just a nuisance.

And that's personally what I see as the larger challenge here.

Yeah, to me, the most classic example would be China and Wisconsin soybeans.

And yeah, it's fine to get them from Wisconsin.

But, you know, during the last Trump administration, China got a lot of soybeans from Brazil.

And that marketplace is still there.

And so at what point does that huge market in China go, you know, maybe we just go with the thing that's less volatile.

And that's just one of what I imagine Tom could be a lot of examples.

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the greatest assets that the United States has as an economy is that historically we generally do what we say we're gonna do More so than almost any other place in the world I mean if you think about if you were a business person, which government would you want to do business with?

Would you want to do business with the Chinese Communist Party?

You want to do business with the Russians?

You want to you know, who do you okay America?

Okay?

Well, we do what we say we want to do we do that's why that's why we're so

That's why our economy is so strong.

Yes, our stability.

Our stability was very much an asset pre Trump.

Tom Kemp is the chair of economics at UW Eau Claire.

Tom is great to talk to you.

Thank you so much for the visit.

Sure.

Many time

Pat.

All

right.

Thank you.

You too.

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All right, I just have to have a little bit of fun with the comment section online because you know, again, you want some music?

It's an online comment section.

You'll know when to bring it up.

Yeah.

uh, from folks that are supporting president Trump's, uh, tariffs and chaos.

And at one point, one commenter said, well, his view, the Trump view, it makes complete sense if you understand economics.

And I'm like, we were just talking to the chair of the economics department who does understand economics.

And so this person then responds about Tom Kent.

Well, he's an academic.

I mean, I mean, come

on,

man.

Come on, man.

Come

on.

I mean, I'm just, I'm just imagining.

I'm sure this person is a real person and not a, not a. No, he's real.

No, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's one of those all day guys.

I know, but I'm just imagining.

Vladimir sitting at home going, dude, don't be so obvious.

Yeah.

Well, you know, if you understand economics, he's an economist.

He's the chair of the economics.

Well, then he's an academic.

So, of course, the responses will show me one business in which he has run and succeeded.

Again, is all based on the notion that government is a business.

Government is not a business.

And if you run it like a business, you will run it into the ground.

So if you've run businesses into the ground,

Looking at you, Donald Trump, or if your rockets

blow up.

I mean, look at Tesla stock.

Why is why is Elon Musk still the CEO of Tesla?

Or like you said, the Twitter thing that he had over the weekend with Ron Johnson and how it was constantly having technical difficulties, like it has other times when Elon Musk is Tesla.

Why is Twitter having these technical difficulties whenever Elon Musk tries to do one of these live events?

Because he fired a ton of people who were doing critical things and now Twitter doesn't work It doesn't work and that's exactly what's happening here is well if we fire enough people It won't work

to whatever point that is.

I don't get what Elon's point is on making Twitter so much worse than it was, other than to let it be what it has become, which is a soapbox for Nazis and all of MAGA World.

But if that is what's translated to the government, what are we going to have running the government?

I will be walking around all day going, this is an academic.

So, you know, Pat, tomorrow I'm going to go, today I'm going to go to a bar.

I'm just going to find a dude who is talking about it and we're going to have him because, because he's got real world experience.

Yes.

So

he'll know everything.

Yep.

Coming up tomorrow on the program, we've got some great guests here.

We'll have Dan Hagen from News Watch 12.

We'll join us during the history lesson.

We'll have Sharita Booker.

We'll have Christina Laurie from Up North News talking about some of the more popular posts and newsletter stories of the past week or so.

We will have from Courier Newsroom, Lucy Ritzman, who is tracking all the online spending in the Wisconsin Supreme Court race.

And so we'll tell you who the big players are, not for the TV ads or the mail, but online.

And then we'll wrap things up with Richard Trent, who is the National Director of Main Street Alliance, which is the small business group, not the big business group, the small business group that is looking to have a more level playing field for America's entrepreneurs, not one skewed toward, you know, billionaires.

I think small business might be the side you want to listen to, not the billionaires, just me.

All right, thanks.

That's it for Up North News Radio for this Monday.

I'm Pat Crite.

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