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Someone futzed with my chair.
Oh, no, futzing.
I'm
so small.
And now everything's going crazy.
Well, we have wires all over the place.
We have many, many guests that are going to be joining us on the show today.
It is going to be a fun day.
We have a double dose of Christians.
We've got Christians.
They have the
same last name.
It'd be better if they
didn't.
Double dose of Christians, our friend, former colleague, Oh, boy, Brian.
I know after the 9 30 news, Kristen and I started out here together at civic media.
You did.
I was her producer and then she went on to a different opportunity and they gave me this show.
So Kristen Bride going to be joining us after 9 30, our number two, Dr. Kristen Lierly is going to be joining us as well.
She, of course, has a show across civic media.
the Dr. Kristen Lyrely show, which just got picked up in Chicago.
You
know, I am
good for
our friends.
Yes,
it says it's amazing.
And if you know Dr. Lyrely, you know that her message, her personality, her energy should be out in the world.
Absolutely.
She is a very, very
awesome human being.
She is.
And yeah, and she knows her stuff.
Yeah.
She knows doctor things.
She knows doctor stuff.
And I trust her because she doctors.
Yeah.
So we're going to talk to her in hour number two for audio sorbet after 1030.
We would like to lighten things up.
Get away from the news and take a breath.
We got the big guns coming in today.
We got guns coming in.
We got guns coming in.
Our CEO Sage Weill and COO Corey Hartman going to be joining us after 1030.
But I have a question.
Why are they this you're gonna fire me?
Seriously Seriously, I just I was trying to set it up to a joke.
I was trying to walk my way into some fun for volaties
Let
me
okay.
Let me take it again.
Well, I would know I was gonna say Jane Why are they coming in today?
I I because
tomorrow is my last day wait a minute What
Yeah, I am, uh, no one got, you didn't get that memo, huh?
Oh, I stopped.
I stopped reading company memos.
Yeah.
My, uh, my last show is tomorrow I'm retired.
It's going to be good.
You guys are going to be fab.
Oh, you fab.
Yeah.
And by the way, I'm still sending you guys stuff for, to talk about for next week.
Yeah.
You want to send that, uh, Jane, uh, uh, much like the complaints to our show, you want to send it to
sweet
Calbee at civic medias.
And it'll go right to Calvin.
It'll go right to Calvin.
It'll go right to Calvin.
That's gonna be a hard habit to get out of, actually.
You guys should talk about this and this and this and this.
I'm gonna drive you nuts.
Start a podcast, lady.
That might be coming.
And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the Steer Clear Edition.
It's a good one.
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Want to start off with this.
This is from Wisconsin Public Radio.
Danielle Cating has the byline.
GOP bill would ban local rights of nature ordinances.
So far, more than 500 rights of nature laws or policies have been passed around the world.
So two Republicans, Steve Nos from Whitewater and Joy Geben from Hobart, introduced a bill that will bar local governments from passing ordinances, granting legal rights to natural resources.
So this measure would prevent a city, village, town, or county
from passing these rights of nature ordinances which give legal rights to protect against pollution or maintaining a healthy ecosystem.
Now, did either one of these individuals state a reason why they would want to pass a law that would, I don't know, strangle the ability for municipalities to do their thing?
Nass says rights of nature laws are a direct threat to private property rights.
Quote, as countries around the world and other local governments in America begin to place nature above human beings, it's important this be stopped in Wisconsin before it goes any further than a non-binding resolution.
Here's the sticking point for me.
Nature should not supersede human beings, and nature has no inalienable rights like man.
We're all kind of part of the whole ecosystem, nature, humans.
carbon based life form thing.
We're all kind of tied together with air and water and sun and those things.
We're
all the same stardust really when it comes down to it.
But the language that Mr. Nass is using, I'm thinking about, I'm not going to give him this title, but the conversation we had yesterday with Andrew Watkins is when you say things like man supersedes nature,
To me, that says that you have a hierarchy in your head that says man is better and we deserve more than anything else.
That feels very religious.
That feels very, that feels like it's steeped in some sort of teaching, that we are above, we are better, we are the
ruler of all.
Well, Bible says, right, you're the man has the dominion over all things.
So this has taken it to heart.
I guess I have a problem with the terminology used, this rights of nature seems a little precious to me, but at the same time, I'm assuming they are passing these things to try and stop polluting our air and our water and our wells.
Yeah, I mean, and that sort of, those sorts of measures, those sorts of protections,
Go to protect I'm gonna use the very old-timey term man So when we have clean drinking water our kids don't get sick when we have areas to play It just looks nice.
You know like those things help a community those things are investment opportunities when you protect your environment when you protect your lands when you practice conservation Then you are doing something for your community.
I mean this Going back a few years
Robin Voss, the speaker, assembly speaker, was very big on the fact that he wanted municipalities to have autonomy and do their thing because they didn't want to, they didn't want to raise taxes on them and they didn't want to raise property tax.
It's not fair for Madison to come in and tell the municipalities what
to do.
But over the years, we've seen many measures coming from Madison where they very much want to tell municipalities what they would like to do.
And in this turn, it's very much, and don't give me private.
property.
It's business.
They want businesses to be able to do what they want.
That is why we have 100, I don't even know if it's still around Jane, 125 million dollars for Pifa cleanup that's sitting in a bank vault somewhere because the Republicans do not want to pass anything that would maybe give some
Blame to those who are the polluters they and and and they do the same thing instead of saying We don't want big companies to have to do their fair share pay or even admit guilt They say well, what about that lowly guy lonely man and who's just has property and there's PFAS What's gonna happen you you design nuance into it?
Are you one person then you have to do this or maybe nothing because it's a small problem But this is just again.
They we can't do this
you guys can't well and and as you pointed out to Greg
On the one hand, it's states rights and municipalities rights and big government shouldn't be stepping into these local governments telling them what to do.
And yet they turn around and say, well, but we want to control women's reproductive freedoms and we want to control whether or not you can put in legislation to protect your water and your air and things.
Yeah, you don't get to do that.
It's really unfortunate because we've said so many times on this show before that conservation is something that a lot of Wisconsinites are concerned about.
whether you are someone who likes to walk in nature, whether you're someone who likes to hunt in nature, someone who maybe makes your business off conservation and the environment, we have a vested interest to protect it.
It is an investment.
It pays off in the long run.
And to say, no, you can't do this.
You are taking control away from those municipalities who want to do what they feel is necessary to build the best community possible.
And that strikes across.
all voting lines in my opinion, because the guy who voted for the president, maybe live in a next door on a property to a person who didn't vote for the president.
But I bet you if you asked both of me, like, yeah, I don't want poisonous.
Don't poison my
water.
Don't ruin my land.
I want to control my land, but I don't want businesses coming in and doing whatever they want protected by Madison.
David Liners with the Rights of Nature Wisconsin movement said these measures are intended to protect the earth for future generations.
He says corporations also have some of the same rights of people under corporate personhood.
Thank you, Supreme Court.
Companies can hold property and sue or be sued.
Liners says the rights of nature is just simply saying we need the natural world to have some standing to be protected.
Yeah, I feel
it.
It shouldn't be wacky.
I mean, I would, I would ask Mr. Haas this question too is that under the current law corporations are people.
So do you feel that corporations are more important than man than human?
And if that's the case, but nature to me should have the same account, just have the same rights and responsibilities that let's make nature a person as well.
And then they can fight the good fight too, because we want our kids to grow up in a good state and we want them to be able to drink the water
and
not
wearing gas
masks.
Yeah.
And politicians who do things like this, so brazen boldly say the things they're saying.
It's just like, it's you clearly saying to the people, we don't care about your health or wellbeing or your rights to, or your right to determine your community's future.
We want to protect these entities and it's business.
It's not private property.
Businesses.
Well, it's profits over people.
Exactly.
It's about profits.
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Oh my goodness.
You're just messing with us.
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Is he just teasing now?
He's teasing what he's saying.
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Good morning, live stream on Facebook, YouTube and what used to be Twitter after the 930 news, a voice you will recognize.
Oh boy.
Kristen Brie, our friend, former colleague, gonna join us for a little bit.
Say hi.
And say hello.
Kristen Brie.
Say hi to Kristen Brie.
She's coming up after
the 9 30 news.
Stay tuned for that.
Also next hour, by the way, I want to remind you guys if you can stick around and if you're watching on the live stream, we're blowing out our merchandise.
On the mat and air on air program.
There are different merchandise singular and merchandise plural because I feel like this is merchandise.
Well, you have
two.
Merchandise?
We have a beyond the cheese.
We have two beyond the cheese hats that were so graciously created for us by Wisconsin knitwear when we did beyond the cheese where we highlighted businesses outside of the dairy industry.
But we have two hats left.
We're going to give one away next hour.
We'll give one away tomorrow.
We tried for mat and air on air merch.
We never quite got there.
Yeah.
So close.
But we had the fire in our heart.
We did.
And we've got a beyond the cheese hat coming up for you.
Somebody next hour, this hour, you want to be texting in the keyword Skate, S-K-A-T-E.
That is the word to enter for our statewide multi-state text to win grown up giftless contest.
Do you think we should do like a quiz?
Like we quiz them on the first, the, the.
If you call in the second hour, you have to know what the word was for this
test.
Just
very easy.
If you're listening right now, you know, and if you're listening the second hour, you'll know.
So you call in and we'll be like, what was the keyword for the last hour?
And then you tell us, and then maybe, I mean, is that what you, did you like that?
Okay.
All
right.
Two contests.
Are we
allowed to do that?
The winning never stops.
That's coming up a little bit later on.
We did want to give a shout out to some Indiana Republicans.
They're really standing firm.
Donald Trump, of course, wants most states, if he could get them to, to redraw their maps because he's concerned about losing the house next year.
And so this has never happened before where we come in.
on non-census years and come in and redo the maps.
We've also never come, we've never had a president say, do this.
No,
because I
want
you to.
Yeah, that's just, that is, that is something that these are all new experiences in 2025.
And as you might know, Texas re drew their maps on a like right away and pretty much redistrict Jasmine Crockett out.
So
she's now running for Senate.
And a handful other states have California voted
Yes, the voters they chose to expand their districts to counteract Texas, but now it's about all right That's done.
Okay.
Who's next and Indiana was one of them and we're paying tribute to a couple individuals Who are doing what you need to do in the face of this kind of authoritarian activity?
Yeah, they're doing the right thing and they're saying no Indiana Mike resident Indiana resident Mike young young says redistricting
in Donald Trump's words is about contributing to a win in the midterms for Republicans, not fairly representing Hoosiers.
This is not election integrity.
This is rigging the map in advance and calling it patriotism.
They want to go in and pick their voters.
That's not the way this game works.
We get to pick them.
They work for us ostensibly.
And Wisconsin has had its own long story, very tiring history with maps and gerrymandering and trying to, and we've worked through some of it.
We're working towards better maps, both for the electoral state and the congressional, but this is not how you run elections.
If you have the juice, if you have the ability, you run and they vote for you.
You cannot rig these maps in a way that is so...
So monumentally unfair blatant and blatant and and bring and that's the thing too That's where like I keep on going back to is this that's no longer trying to keep the quiet things quiet.
They're saying it out loud and when we called question these these Tactics you are then yelled at you are smacked down that's a stupid question insulted and it's hard for the media to keep up with it and sometimes the media doesn't do
right by the people.
I'm sorry.
That's just how it is.
So the fact that two Indiana legislators are saying no,
this
is how you do it.
This is what, you know, this is how you stand up.
These are the cracks in the system that need to form.
When one person stands up, then more people will stand up.
Then it becomes a thing of, oh, we don't have to capitulate.
We don't have to just bow down.
We can say no.
What are you gonna do about
it?
Well, this this remains to be seen whether or not this is gonna work House Speaker Mike Johnson is predicting that they will do the right thing When they convene to give a final decision on this state house past map that Trump has demanded That they do in Indiana again as you pointed out, you know, we have a couple holdouts there among some Indiana lawmakers good for you.
Yes, and
If the Republican policies are so popular and so wonderful, then why do you have to rig maps?
If your policies are just the answer to every one, then we should all be flocking to vote for you.
You shouldn't have to gerrymander the maps to make sure that you're gonna get supported.
If you are so star-spangling awesome.
you wouldn't have to rig voting and rig voting days and change the law and try to suppress and intimidate and disenfranchise voters.
You would say, we're great, vote for us.
We'll make you vote for a month, take a day off, do it.
But when you see the people who are trying to mess with your constitutional right to vote, those people need to be called into question.
Well, and it's just, it's not.
It's indicative of how little confidence they have in their own platforms, and in their own policies.
All right, we have news coming up next.
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Skate.
Detects in SKATE until 10 o'clock.
News is next, and then our friend and former colleague, Kristen Brie, is joining us.
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Good morning, live stream on Facebook, YouTube and what used to be Twitter.
She is our former colleague and very good friend.
Kristen, Brian is here.
Good morning, lady.
Good to
see
you.
Good to see you too.
Look at all that hair.
I was gonna say the hair is magnificent.
Man, that's taken on a whole life.
It's above its own.
Yeah, it's a whole thing now that I've grown it out.
It
needs its own name.
Call
it Wolfie.
Kristen is trying to pay tribute to all of the 80s hairstyles of Jane McNair as her perm just got larger and larger.
and larger.
You was really actually, your hair was built for the live stream era
where you just
take up the entire frame.
It was.
Wait, do you have a perm in the 80s?
Kristen, everyone had a perm in the 80s.
I
haven't seen these pictures.
I
need to see pictures.
Oh, I will send you.
No, no, no, no, no, no, I will send you video.
There we did.
I did some commercials with Keith Moore, who was one of my partners when I was at the mix.
and we did a series of commercials in about 85 or 86.
And perms were all the rage, man.
My perm would take up this entire screen that I'm on.
It's huge.
It's huge.
Small countries could hide behind her for defense from missile attacks.
I was able to smuggle things everywhere just in my hair.
It's amazing.
I
can't believe I never saw these pictures or video
apparently.
Because I have everything on VHS because I am old.
And so we actually tracking down somewhere to play them and digitize them has been a challenge over the last couple of weeks.
But hopefully, I don't know, we're going to be able to show some of that tomorrow on the live stream or not.
We're going to certainly try.
We've got it.
We've got it digitized.
We can play a few things here and there.
We'll play some of the commercials.
They are truly of the.
I don't know how we say the lighting, the softness of it all.
There's a very 80s feel.
There's
a vibe to it.
Yeah.
If you weren't doing, if you weren't doing a commercial for a radio station, it would definitely be for a bank or an insurance company.
I have to send you this.
I found an Instagram account last night called VHS dates and it's found VHS.
like people like trying to find dates.
And
it's like sitting on a chair, talking about themselves saying what they want.
And they're all in the 80s.
And its entire account has like 700,000 followers.
And each post is just a clip from the like found tapes.
And it's incredible.
They're the one that I found yesterday was truly think her name was like Dawn or something.
And she just has the sprayed hair.
She's divorced.
She likes to unwind with a Virginia slim.
And like it was just
It's just incredible to look at these people who put it like in the 80s, how they put themselves out there trying to find a date.
And he's like, it's a good follow.
It's a good
follow.
I think I saw that one and she had
like three layers of shoulder pads going on.
Was that wrong?
No.
I'm not going to say anything because
Jackie Bach might come in here and hit me in the face with the shoulder pad because she was a.
She was pro shoulder
pad.
Everyone was pro shoulder pad.
It was fabulous.
Everybody got to look like a linebacker.
It was wonderful.
So, yeah, Jane decided to quit.
I'm a quitter.
You are a quitter.
How
are you feeling?
I'm good.
I'm nervous.
I'm excited.
But a friend texted me last weekend and said the same thing.
How are you feeling?
And I said,
I'm satisfied and I think I don't know that I can ask for more than that.
I did a lot of time in music radio and then I met you when I worked at WTMJ when I was working in news and then I did some time in talk radio and I got to be a producer for a little bit and I just think of all the things that I've been able to do
and the people I've been able to meet and all the stuff I have learned because of the great guests that we've been able to track down and force to come on the air, talk to us.
It's been wonderful.
It really has.
And I, again, I'm satisfied.
I'm satisfied.
It's a good place to be.
Right?
That's really good.
And I cannot thank you enough, my friend, when we met at TMJ.
And you got this offer here at Civic Media, and we didn't see each other that often, and we hadn't known each other for very long, but we kind of hit it off right away.
And when you got the offer to come here, you're like, you want to come along?
And I went, sure.
Yes, let's go.
It'll be
fine.
We're going to run above the board, but we figure it out.
Hey, do you guys want to put on a show?
Let's go work in a dentist's office.
All right.
Yeah.
It was, well, and that was the thing too, is like, when I came into it and met the two of you, well, I met you first, Kristen, then I met Jane through you.
The fact that Jane, you know, when I found out that you were not a producer in the
traditional
sense
that
you learned the skill by coming on board and
It's just getting into it.
To me, that says a lot, because there's a lot.
There's a lot of people out there, regardless of their age, where they're like, I can't do that.
I don't want to learn something new, but you did.
And you learned a new skill.
She
had to learn Google Docs.
She had to learn how to view a Google Doc and Google Sheets
and
all
that.
Oh, Chris, she's still learning.
And you taught me how to text with both hands.
I mean, I think.
What did you do before?
I was a pecker.
Okay, wrong term.
Okay, I
would Yeah, it would
take me forever and now I can take I now I can thumb text.
Well, okay, stop saying
it like what I learned I'm educable.
No, but I think but I do think That is a mistake that people make when you get to be a certain age
Oh, I don't want to do that.
I don't want to learn that.
I don't have to.
I don't have to learn that.
That's a mistake.
This was a gift for me.
Now I know how to edit sound and I can.
I had more fun producing for your show.
I probably had too much fun producing for your show and finding silly music songs.
And I discovered a whole separate part of my personality in doing that job for you.
It was so much fun.
So much that are foreshadowing into the segment.
Yes, exactly.
I spent hours on that.
It was hilarious.
You
did.
But remember the first time you showed me your music doc?
I'm like, you are working hard
and maybe not
smart,
but it was definitely not smart.
But I am used myself endlessly.
Right.
Well, it's about finding joy and finding pleasure in little things, which
especially today, I think is so important.
I think it also speaks to the fact that when you get to work with people you actually like, that also makes
a huge difference.
You've told stories, you've told many stories about people that, you know, clashing personalities.
And in radio, it's like three, two, hi, I was going everybody, here's my buddy, and we're going to talk about fun stuff and laugh.
And then when you're done, you're like, I want to go home right now.
You know, I mean, there's something to be said about having fun on the air, but also when you're done being like,
Hey, have a good weekend and meaning it and meaning it.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I can also attest that having a partner where your only friends on air is draining.
It's challenging.
Imagine.
It is.
It's challenging.
So I've always felt very lucky when I was paired with people like you and with Greg and other partners that I've had.
When you actually click, that's a gift.
That's a gift.
And it's, it's a rarity.
Absolutely.
At least in my, in my experience.
Yeah.
All right, so who else is coming on these next what you have this is halfway through now.
No
tomorrow's my last day.
We're actually almost
So you basically have like seven segments left of Showtime So like 12 13 left today
I
haven't even broken it down like that.
You're asking me to do math, dude.
What are you
doing?
It's 9.43.
You left an error.
Always a bad idea.
We
got about a show in it.
We got a little more than a show and a half.
We've got great guests today.
We got Corey and Sage coming on.
Dr. Kristen
Lyrely
is going to
be here.
We have two Christians today.
Double dose of Christians.
Yes.
Ann spelled the right way.
Yes.
Exactly.
Calm
down.
All right.
But yeah, and then we're gonna, tomorrow we're gonna have Dan Schaefer on quite a, for most of the show, we're gonna have some surprises, they're not bad surprises, but we'll have some surprises for Jane.
And then we'll see how we kick this whole thing off, you know, and the way, and I will, we only have one box of tissues, we're gonna need way more, so I think Jane's gonna
be powerful.
I'm a squish, I'm such a squish.
Did I teach you any bad habits, hopefully, that you took with you when you went on?
Bad habits?
No,
I didn't do my job.
No, I feel like you definitely I think I learned how to you know, I don't have anymore So this is a behind the scenes.
So if people remember ever listen to as goes Wisconsin, they might remember that I talk very fast and So there would be times where we had a signal because in the old studio there wasn't a way for Jane to talk to me on air.
Yeah
where the audience didn't hear it like we didn't have a uh like a
we couldn't privately communicate there was no talk button
so all we had was this little tiny window in between where i sat and the producer booth and so in times when i would be going too fast our only way for jay to tell me to slow down was she would draw an ass in the air and try to get my attention and just be like like just that was her only way to be like hey
Take it down a notch.
Slow it down.
Just a little bit.
Just slow it down.
Jane
hand signals just because the thing too about that, it wasn't just that they couldn't communicate, but that you were facing Kristin one direction and the booth faced another direction.
So really, like you'd see Kristin's profile and you were just like, look at me.
There's
a phone
call.
But yeah, but even in the, because you couldn't even do it once we weren't on air.
So we literally would have to get up and get out of
each other's
chair during the commercials to talk to each.
Yeah, just to check in or, you know, guess changes and things like that.
But it was, we had a lot of fun.
We did indeed.
And we had a great deal of freedom to put together the kind of show that you and I both wanted.
Do you still have that kind of freedom?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
They have never ever told me what to say or who to talk to or what opinion to have on a particular subject.
It's they've they've given me a lot of a lot of freedom and in still giving me up.
Yeah, it's been great.
It's been great.
I love not being told what to do.
I like watching people try to tell you what
to do.
I sometimes love being told what to do because it's one less decision I have to make.
That works to you.
That's true.
I get that.
That's true.
Well, I am available.
I will be available if you need someone to tell you things not to do.
This is what you could do.
What are you going to do on Monday?
On Monday, I am taking my 2012 Subaru in because it started making a new not good noise.
So I think it's a good thing that today and tomorrow are my last schleps here down to Racine until I could get my car looked at.
So that's probably the first thing I'm going to do on Monday.
Retirement sounds great.
I know it's going to be so much.
That sounds incredibly freedom.
It's going to be one big party after
another.
I know you gotta go, you're prepping for a show.
I'm also prepping for a show, a solo show, cause Steve is gone.
So I have to go figure that out, but-
I can call in for a little while.
That's fine.
What do you want to
talk about?
Let's
do
stuff.
We can multi-cast.
One hour that I have open is when you guys are on air.
We could, we could multi-cast.
That would be confusing.
I'll bet you, I'll bet you
all the higher ups will be confused and unimpressed with that decision.
What are they gonna do to me?
Oh, what are they gonna do to me?
Kristen Brie our dear dear friend former colleague I love you so much my friend give Frankie a big hug from us give Mike a big hug from me
Take
care.
We'll see you soon stay with us.
We're gonna talk a little bit about hugging Yeah, this is something that we wanted to get around to for a while.
There's an interesting article
about grandparenting and grandparenting, it's called on eggshells because of different parenting styles.
So that's coming up.
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Here's the question right off the bat.
If you have children or young children or grandchildren, do you make them hug relatives?
Yeah.
Is it like...
Oh, just go give grandma a kiss and a hug.
Oh, just go give Uncle Jerry a big hug.
Do you still make them give hugs?
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
There's a really interesting article in The Atlantic about this actual subject.
It's called grandparenting on eggshells.
Many parents are teaching their kids they don't owe their relatives hugs.
And that means new rules for everyone.
So do you force your small children, grandchildren to hug people?
855-752-4842.
Do you, do
when they show their, when they show their not want, do you respect their wishes?
And if you are a grandparent or older, if you are actually anybody, do you expect it?
Do you expect them to hug you?
Do you expect them to push through their own
uncertainties and
discomforts?
I know I am, I am a
I'm not an older person, but I'm not a younger person.
I'm an uncle, both blood and, and friend of the family.
But whenever I encounter a child, I go for high fives and fist bumps first.
And I let them determine the ground rules.
If they want to do that, that's great.
If at the end of the hangout, they want to hug, I will give them all of the huggies.
But man,
You got to build that trust especially for especially for relatives who you those kids may see once a year I'm sorry, but just a title doesn't
well, right?
There's no relate just because you have a title is I mean you have a relationship no 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 do you force your small children grandchildren to hug?
Yeah
relatives or strangers Tony on the live stream This is so good.
No way do if they want but sometimes they're shy
So they don't have to.
Absolutely.
And even PJ, I always thought that was very, very creepy.
I agree.
And I can think of some instances growing up where I did not want to hug this person.
And it was go, give so and so a hug.
It's a sign of respect.
He creeps me out.
Why do I have to hug this person?
It's also, I think, a sign to of...
Putting your own convenience in the way of a child, that's not how I should be saying it.
You're putting your own convenience over the want of your child because it's also, I don't want to start something.
You know, oh, she didn't hug Aunt Judy.
And now Aunt Judy is telling everybody
at
breakfast that the kid is, and I can't believe she didn't make her hug me.
I'm her aunt and I'm her favorite aunt.
And you know what I mean?
I suppose there could be a kind of hurt feelings.
Oh,
yeah.
And that's an untenable situation for parents to be in.
And I am not a parent.
I know that.
I am very well aware that I do not have children.
But also, for me, I would never want a child to feel uncomfortable around me.
And I would never want to force.
First of all, why do you need a hug?
That's the question I would ask.
There's a question, right?
Why do you need it?
And is there not someone your own size you could get
said
hug from?
Yeah.
I'll tell you what, I am not a huge hugger of people I don't know, but I will do this.
If we are at a party and your child doesn't want, and the child doesn't want to hug you, I'll hug you.
I'll hug you.
For Greg.
Yeah, I'll
give you a
hug.
I'll give you a good hug and then be like, doesn't this feel
better?
8-5-5.
Don't say it like that.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Do you make your small children, grandchildren, hug?
relatives or strangers.
Rob from Port Edwards is joining us on the phone.
Good morning, Rob.
What do you think about this?
Good morning out of the snow.
Greg, I think you need a hug.
You sound so sterile, so abandoned.
You need a hug.
Well, I'll hug him
after the show.
Stop reading my journal,
Rob.
Raising multiple children, male and female, and a raft of grandchildren.
I have left it entirely up to
the people receiving said hugs.
In other words, if you kids want to go and do this, cool.
I'm not shoving you.
It's interesting because we have a dichotomy for a family.
There's huggers and there's non-huggers.
It's interesting on my daughter's sides, all the kids, the girls and the boys, as soon as I walk in the door, they run up to me and I get massive hugs.
Unannounced it's like oh, yeah,
turn around
It works very well for them because a lot of cases then you sit down You talk what's going on and then you hear all the things that are going on in their world And it breaks the ice for them.
Yeah, and it makes me feel wanted and every time right there now they steal what a opa's grant sweatshirt so that they can run around and opa's love
Sure.
But you give them the choice, Rob.
That's the important thing.
You don't force it.
They come to you.
Yeah, that's right.
I don't ever want to be accused of pushing that individual into something because it's emotional.
their space, their person, and say, you got to go break that and go bond with this person that quite frankly, you don't even want to be in the same room with yourself.
Because they are Uncle Morty, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's so well said, Rob.
Thank you so much.
Really appreciate that.
And Tony in the live stream says, if the quote favorite aunt complains about hugs, she's not the favorite.
And I'll say that too.
Ivan Nice, she's six years old.
She's beautiful.
She's perfect.
I love her so much.
When we first started hanging out on a semi-regular basis, she was very shy around me.
And now she hugs me and gives me and tells me she loves me.
And I would rather have that because that makes me feel wanted than having to force their affection upon me for my own edification.
It's something that
you earn.
It's something I earn and makes me feel like, oh, they're comfortable.
Carol and Waukesha listening at WAUK.
Greg says it well.
I group the same way as Jane used to see it as a sign of respect.
But now as a grandma, I understand the child may need space and to feel comfortable with that person.
Exactly.
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