Transparency And How It Clearly Works (Hour 1)

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Lots of things coming up for you on the show today.

We're going to talk about.

data centers, protests continuing in Wisconsin, grassroots efforts kind of popping up in little communities all across the state.

So we're going to talk about data centers after the 9 30 news.

Also, beach access and what's public.

And do you get to own sand?

Or we all learned how to share as kids.

Why don't we still do that as adults?

It's an interesting story out of today's Milwaukee's Journal Sentinel.

This is an ongoing case related to a property owner owner in Shorewood on Lake Michigan.

Doesn't want people walking on his beach.

It's my, my beach.

All those

ingredients you just said, beach house, Lake Michigan, Shorewood.

And you're telling me he wants, he wants the unwashed off his property?

Get off my sand.

Yeah, exactly.

Get off my

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In hour number two, hopefully Darren Bond Rudin is gonna be joining us.

Yeah.

Head of the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

We're trying to just confirm that he's gonna be joining us.

It's the first Wednesday of the month that's normally when, when he joins us for a hit.

Yeah, it's also

very cold and things may have

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To quote one of the greatest films ever, Twister.

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Another cow.

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Pretty much the same cow.

So hopefully we'll connect with Darren Von Ruden in hour number two for Audio Sorbet today, the last half an hour of the show, where we lighten it up and talk about non-news things.

Yeah.

We're going to talk about strangers you meet.

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Yeah,

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Strangers you meet and what a little difference that can make.

Absolutely.

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So stick around for that and then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this.

Shouldn't be a thing.

Today, Rocky Raccoon's Rocky Night

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First

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life.

I know.

There's photos.

Yeah.

Yeah, you feel for the little raccoon.

What am I looking at right now?

We're going to

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There's going to be a visual component to this show that makes you want to get on the live stream.

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This goes back a long, long, long time in my broadcast industry.

Back when they invented radio.

Back when we still had turntables.

What?

Yes.

I don't... Turntables in reel to reel.

Back in

my day, you just had the band come in and play.

Actually.

I'm...

Can I tell you a really quick story about childhood?

When I was very little, like 20, 22 years old.

No, when I was very little, I thought that the band came in and played on the radio.

But they did.

No,

no, no.

In the early, early

days

of radio.

Yes,

but we're talking about the

early

80s.

I thought, like, the groups came in, they performed, and then they left, and then the other group came

in.

Yeah.

So really, if I would have just grown up with that kind of wide-eyed naivete, I'd probably be scammed for a lot of money at this point.

Possibly.

Yeah, but that was, I can distinctly remember being in the basement going, how do they fit all those musicians in that room?

It's the

magic.

Yeah.

That is the magic of radio, Greg.

See, and back in the day, you couldn't see.

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Wanted to start off with this.

We talked about this just a couple of weeks ago.

This got snuck in to the bill to reopen the government.

You know how they

love to sneak in little things without telling anybody about it.

Financing

planes and more tax cuts

and

suing the government for perceived ills that was just matters of due process and justice.

You know, those small things that really help the

people.

Right.

So one of the measures that they snuck in to this bill in order to reopen the government essentially kills the hemp industry.

Yes.

Which took people involved in said industry in Wisconsin by surprise.

Correct.

Not in a good way.

So now this from WPR, Rich Creamer has the byline new bipartisan bill would regulate intoxicating hemp products in Wisconsin.

Industry activist says while the legislation isn't perfect, it would shield Wisconsin hemp farmers and retailers from this federal ban.

Although we know there is an effort on the state level as well.

Yes.

With one Republican lawmaker wanting to do the same thing.

Yes.

But at least.

We're seeing something right now.

Well,

and it's passed.

I mean, it's passed in the federal level.

And it just

doesn't make sense.

Well, it's about protecting

the

children, Craig.

Yeah.

And certainly, I don't want THC products landing in the hands of kids.

I don't want tobacco products handing in the hands of kids.

I don't

want, I don't want that either, but you know, I, as I just mentioned, I grew up in the eighties in the eighties, a very anti-drug commercial time.

Just say

no,

just say no.

I mean, I literally thought that if you, I want to be funny about this, but I thought based on TV and movies and just the commercials, if I looked at cocaine, my life was destroyed.

Is cocaine good?

No, it's not.

But there's a better conversation to have.

And you're older than I am.

And people were anti-drug.

You came up in the beginning of the war on drugs.

And I don't know if you can remember, because there's so much pot smoke.

How did that go?

Did kids just say, you know, guys, you're right.

We shouldn't do this.

The kids said no.

The kids couldn't get it.

There was no access for young people to get these illicit drugs.

It was fine, but then all of a sudden these laws came through and said we can have a little bit of hemp and it all went downhill.

Yeah, no.

Yeah, we always found ways.

Yeah, we found ways to get booze.

We found ways to get weed.

We just did.

And again, I'm not saying that this that I want open access to THC products, no matter how old you are, but I nobody is saying that.

I think this is a viable industry.

Mm hmm.

That's all over the state now.

Yes.

Employing people.

Paying taxes.

Paying taxes.

And so rather than just come out and kill them all, let's do some regulating.

That's what this is about.

So this legislation introduced by State Senator Patrick Teston, Republican from Stevens Point.

Co-sponsored by five Republicans and four Democrats in the Assembly, this measure would prohibit anyone under 21 from buying hemp products with variants of THC.

This would also require hemp growers get their crops tested by independent labs and mandate that hemp products be sold in child-resistant packaging because knives and scissors don't

exist.

Jay Selthofer, longtime advocate for marijuana legalization in Wisconsin, tells WPR the bill is based on concerns about how Wisconsin farmers would be affected by this ban on hemp, which was slipped into that short-term funding bill that they passed in November.

He says they're really trying to protect us from the federal ban and create a program for hemp.

While the Wisconsin measure does not mention the federal ban by creating a state regulatory program, this could shield growers, distributors, and retailers.

And it's part of a conversation that we've been having for months now.

And I mean, honestly, we've been having for years now when you really think about it.

But you should give us a call, 855-752-4842.

You've called before we know, but just another, you know, let us know if these products do good for you.

Because the because here's here's my thought about it is that we tried prohibition in this country once and in for 13 years and it went It was a spectacular failure

on so many numerous levels Yes,

and if you are about protecting the kids great make the laws the same as the laws for cigarettes and alcohol and getting a driver's license You put regulations on them.

Okay, great.

We've protected the children They are still going to access it because you can always access things you can't get

that you don't want them to have, that's always going to happen.

But if you really want to protect the children, then we need to have those difficult discussions about these products and making them understand that what their effects can be on children.

I just feel like this, this, you know, I can't remember his name.

And I was, it was a, it was a kind of a hard name to pronounce, but he is the state rep out by where you grow up.

Washington County.

Yeah.

And his, his whole thing just sounded like the eighties again.

Well, it's we're protecting the kids and kids got to say no.

Yeah, they do.

Fine.

That's great.

But we are punishing everybody in service of children when there are already laws on the books that say they can act like a 12 year old can't walk into

Kelly's greens and Wauwatosa.

No, no.

And buy something.

Exactly.

No, that's

not how that works.

Exactly.

And PJ on the live stream brings up something very, very, very important is the fact that we're talking about this and how important keeping kids from drugs is.

We're letting a just pardon him.

We just pardoned the guy who was who took part in hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine trafficking.

Different thing.

How much do we care about drugs, Jane?

Well, and actually we could call our local

politician.

We should.

And ask him about that pardon that President Trump just gave the that that guy from Honduras.

Yeah, that would be an interesting question.

And when you're on the line, tell

him you want to protect hemp, hemp, the hemp business here in Wisconsin.

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We were talking about an article in today's Wisconsin public radio.

talking about some statewide bipartisan legislation that would regulate hemp products in Wisconsin this after, oh, those sneaky little guys snuck this measure into the bill to reopen the government that essentially kills the hemp industry.

And if you use hemp products, we would love to hear from you again at 855-752-4842.

Brett from Brown Deer texted in, just legalize marijuana and sell it in a dispensary.

It's no different than a liquor store.

I am sick of driving to Illinois once a month and giving them all my tax dollars.

And I've said this before, I've gone to dispensaries in Illinois.

It's full of Wisconsin blades.

My friends go to dispensaries, wink.

I think though that, you know, that also brings up a point too when we talk about dispensaries, legal marijuana in this, in this state, which by the way, if you don't already know, we are surrounded by states that have at least medical.

Even Iowa, people.

But you look at this, this is good, this is good legislation, I believe it's going to protect the businesses.

I think it puts a little too much on the business as far as getting like.

Well, this whole independent lab testing, that's another fee now that

you're

going to put on these small businesses along with the childproof packaging.

Which,

yeah, that's, I also, how are you going to, are they going to have agents?

They're going to go to stores and check the packaging.

I don't know.

But what gives me pause and a little bit of nervousness is the fact that these all have to come across the desk of Robin Voss, who has been

inconsistent on this topic.

He has never really stood in the way of the hemp thing.

I've never heard him say an opinion on what currently is allowed, but he has fumbled the ball more than one time on legal marijuana.

So this bipartisan measure to protect the hemp industry, I don't know how he will handle it, especially coming up with the fact that they are almost out for the year.

And next year is- Is there long vacation?

Is there eight week work year?

But again, they will work two months and be offered 10.

So I don't know how important this will be.

Will the other one that's going to codify the language from the federal going to go through?

Like that's the thing we need to be on the lookout for because that hemp measure has passed federally.

And by the way, this all goes back, it really frustrates me, but I'm going to keep it nice.

The whole thing about the government shutdown.

Was that the CR, the continuing resolution?

By the way, that's the thing.

It wasn't, they didn't solve anything in a continuing resolution.

We'll be right back here in two weeks.

In two months.

In two months.

It was said, oh, this is clean.

This is clean.

No, no.

It had all sorts of little, little gifts, little

Christmas.

Yeah, hidden

in there.

Yep.

They snuck all kinds of stuff in there.

It's such, yeah.

They

lied.

By the way, just to clarify, Julianne,

Texted in listening on WXCO.

It's pronounced Cronan wetter.

Cronan wetter.

Cronan wetter.

I looked it up.

It is south of Warsaw.

So look,

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Another thing we've learned.

Another thing we've learned.

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Wanted to start off with this.

We did talk about this too a couple of weeks ago.

From Wisconsin Public Radio, Evan Casey has the byline.

Dairyland, not data land.

Wisconsinites continue protesting data center projects.

Supporters of the projects say they will lead to positive economic impact.

In Milwaukee on Tuesday, a group of business leaders gathered to talk about the economic opportunities of data centers.

Not everybody excited about this.

There was a small group of protesters who were gathered outside of this meeting at Discovery World to push back against these data centers.

This is

a big, big thing.

And we're seeing these pop up all over the state now.

And we're seeing people

raise their voices and be heard from and be, you know, having positive, I shouldn't, having results, I'm not going to say positive or negative because it has results.

When we stand up and we say something and we work together, especially in a situation like this where I feel like can cross party lines.

Absolutely.

I think so too.

Because we're talking about water access.

We're talking about land usage.

We're talking about conservation.

We're talking about utility prices.

Utility prices, especially, and

I think what they did was they thought they were just gonna come on in and and do this thing because they'll make it seem so great and there'll be jobs and and I think to a certain extent and I don't appreciate this because it's how business people work but they look at Wisconsin they say oh a bunch of yokels they won't know the difference they won't care they'll take our money and blah blah blah and and we won't have to tell them anything sorry that's me that's me being hyper protective of our state but I do think to a certain extent

People have a vision of Wisconsin.

They see us as a bunch of podunk farmers who don't know better and that's

not the case that we're easy to easily take advantage

of We're

dupes.

Well, I do think that there was this assumption that you can slide these things in and nobody's gonna notice and They're noticing.

Yep, and these are at least from what I am seeing these do look like grassroots.

Yes

protests.

There were seven communities where they had protests on Monday and Tuesday, part of an organized day of action to bring attention to negative impacts of these data centers.

One person, Erica Stibb, is with the Milwaukee branch of the party for socialism and liberation, which helped organize the protests.

She said, we're here because we're raising the call that people don't want these data centers in Wisconsin towns that they don't belong here.

But again, this industry is not going to slow down our need for these data centers unless we all get off our phones.

And we're not going to do that.

No, not

at

all.

The need for these is going to increase.

Trisha Brown, the executive director of the Wisconsin Data Center Coalition, says Wisconsin's manufacturing sector will reap the benefits of data centers

She thinks Wisconsin businesses like security companies, even fencing companies, would be positively impacted.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Yes.

This is where I think Wisconsin is the chance to benefit because of the concentration we have of manufacturers ripe for this kind of opportunity and ways to diversify.

Again, you can sell it as positive for the community, but when you're specifically, like, honestly,

Confessing that it's going to be positive for few, not even communities, but few businesses.

Yeah.

Fence makers, cool.

They'll get contracts.

They'll make fences for these properties.

What after that?

How is that going to affect my water bill?

How is that going to affect my electric bill?

What is that going to do for pollution?

What is that going to do for jobs?

Because data centers do not need thousands of people.

They generally need between a few dozen to maybe a couple hundred, depending on the work.

And that might be skilled labor.

Well, and it's different.

Obviously, building the facilities

is going

to take a lot more bodies until you can get them built and up and running.

But you're right, from my understanding, once these data centers are built, they don't need a huge workforce.

And a lot of these places are going

for AI processes anyway.

Yeah, they want to integrate.

I mean, we're seeing that all over again.

They want to get rid of bodies.

Yeah.

And let's then...

Bring up once it's If it's past it's built it's running the fences a fence to the construction of construction Everyone has made their money mainly the bosses have made their money not the guy Installing the fence it's the people who own the company's making that money so it's even smaller group you get the businesses and then a smaller group But then the question is what is the long-term value for those businesses?

What kind of tax breaks and tax abatements will they get?

For being on that land because we saw this with Foxconn and just was in the news last week too They signed a new deal where they got even about a hundred million dollars in tax breaks They do have to do a certain amount of hiring to get these but we have to ask the question What do these companies get in the way of tax breaks and other deals that will affect us as taxpayers because when they're not paying

Someone else has to pay the bill.

It's usually me and you.

Yeah, somebody's gonna pick up the cost for it and I did see an article last week that referenced This is a state-by-state issue.

Not every state is telling folks About how much state money is going to these data centers.

They're not required to disclose how much state money is going to these data centers That's not the case in Wisconsin.

Thank goodness.

Thank goodness is right, but

In many other instances, they're not even required to tell their constituents how much aid they're giving them, which seems wrong.

And

if you're seeing this around the state, if you're living in areas that are data centers are being proposed or you've been to meetings or just your thoughts on this because data centers are

here and they're not going anywhere and I'm not speaking for Jane or for Calvin or for anybody.

I'm not against data centers.

I'm not against business expansion, but there has to be a long-term value to the taxpayers and the communities that will inhabit these, or the communities who will host these places to use some tech parlance.

But what do we get out of it?

They shouldn't be getting massive tax breaks.

How about the people get some good tax breaks, some good tax relief, and these companies generally can afford

it.

Well, and again, if we're going to talk about water usage and the price of water going up, utilities going up to power these data centers, if they are the ones who are using more, shouldn't they be required to pay more as opposed to just

shoving it all off under the taxpayers.

It does bring jobs.

This one, Caitlin Monahan, Senior Director of Public Policy at North America for Vantage Data Centers said the facility in Port Washington that they're developing, it would require 1,000 people to work at the data center campus, which in a small city is not a small

thing.

That's great.

That is not a small thing.

And that's the thing is, you know, I'm going to use the Foxconn.

Renewal deal that was in the news we talked about it last week and I will say the positive if it comes through if the company can commit to doing certain things whether it's a closed water system whether it's Using using the least amount of resources possible or somehow just being less of a burden on our bills And or saying we will hire X amount of jobs in the community

Then okay, we talk again not against data centers not against businesses just saying it can't just be another instance Where a business comes in and says we want to do this and our and our our local and state and sometimes federal lawmakers like yeah Yeah, business give him whatever they want give business daddy what he'd like because we always get screwed in the end

We were talking about data centers, the growing data centers and some of the growing pushback, at least here in Wisconsin that we're seeing in some of these smaller communities.

And like you said, Greg, I don't think that anybody's going to say no to jobs, a thousand jobs coming into a smaller community like Port Washington.

But for me, the issue is transparency

and

all of the things that it feels like some of these companies are hiding.

We live in a day and age now where businesses from, you know, from not small, but like medium to large and to mega kind of write their own rules and lawmakers roll out the red carpet and then tell us

why we shouldn't be asking questions or why you should be grateful.

Yeah, or you should be grateful.

Don't worry.

We have it covered.

That's not what that's not how you represent the people.

That's not the proper voice of the people as I will, you know, Chris Kappenga has said that he is a voice of the people.

You need to then echo our concerns and protect us.

And it really comes down for me.

I also, I agree.

transparency.

Just tell us what's going on, man.

Seriously.

And if it's not good, then stand up and say, we don't want this or we want a better deal.

We know you can do this.

And I would love to see a data center come into a community and revitalize a neighborhood, not a neighborhood, but like a whole area county that needs it.

Because we went to Northwoods this summer and

They're struggling.

These small towns are struggling.

It is gorgeous.

It is picturesque.

It's the place where you want to live.

But then you hear from the people and they say, our communities are dying because manufacturing industry left.

So if we can make partnerships with these businesses, then we should do it.

And I'm going to challenge our listeners right now, especially if the ones who disagree with us, do you agree with this?

Because I feel like this is something on which we all can agree because this is about protecting our state and our people, our resources.

I feel like this is something we can say, yeah, I don't, I didn't vote for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, but I do think this is important because I don't want to pay more in my utility bills or have our water regulated.

I'm afraid that what happens is when these things go on, they say pro business and it's someone else's fault when the, when, when the bill comes due.

And I think that's the wrong approach.

We got to come together and say, Hey

man.

Transparency tells us what's going

on.

Exactly.

It's not about no development ever

and no

progress

ever, but it's like

let's be realistic and open about the ramifications from these decisions.

Again, if I do A, what is B?

And then what is C and

what is

D?

What is coming down the road?

And that's what I think sometimes is missing.

Yeah.

From our lawmakers who do not look at long-term consequences.

I agree.

And if these are things that do concern you, my vote.wi.gov.

Can

make some phone calls.

Call your reps.

Visit your rep if you're near.

Write them a letter.

Tell them what you're looking for out of them as a lawmaker, what you're looking for out of this topic.

And make your voice heard.

I mean, we are seeing

We're seeing more and more elections going towards the way of democracy, of people who want to stand up for democracy.

We have an election coming up next year in this state.

People are running who want to take it seriously that we must be heard as a people, not the corporations and not relying on gerrymandered maps to not do their work.

Now's the time more than ever for us to stand up and get involved.

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We didn't have a lot of time to talk about this, but I think it's fascinating.

This is from the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinel.

Caitlin Luby and Maya Pandy have the byline.

Where can the public walk along Lake Michigan?

Shorewood case may settle the issue.

So there is this fight going on.

Paul Floresheim lives in Shorewood.

He has been walking along the lake for years.

In July, he was walking his dogs along a shoreline.

going north along the beach, below homes on North Lake Drive that overlook the beach.

They're not, I mean, they're kind of on a little cliff.

There's a separation between.

There's a separation.

So he said he's walked this route for decades.

During that walk, property owner, Danielle Damigala, flagged him down and accused him of trespassing, called police and...

Floresheim, the guy who had been walking this way, got issued a $313 ticket.

So now he's fighting that.

He says, Wisconsin's public trust doctrine applies to navigable waters, which allow the public to walk on the land between the water's edge and what is known as the ordinary high watermark, which from what I have read seems to be where the vegetation starts.

I am not a maritime lawyer.

I don't even know if I'm maritime lawyer adjacent, but we talked about this before the show.

And my first thought was somewhere in your mortgage agreement, it's going to state the size of the property and what's included, which I, what I understand is a certain part of the sky you own too.

Like above a certain part of your house,

it's

like your sky.

But if that is stated and you have paid for that, then yes, it is your land.

Then there should be some sort of sign, something there that says it, but you can't just arbitrarily go up.

And honestly, I'm really surprised the cops bit into this and didn't just say, it's going to literally take him 14 seconds to cross what is quote, your land.

Your strip of sand.

And I think this, the fact that this is being taken seriously is introducing a whole new level of greed and.

Pettiness

well in in the homeowners defense.

I will say and this is in this article He had complained to short police at least 50 times over the summer about people Sitting on his porch.

Well, that's you shouldn't be sitting on his porch you guys you're walking on the beach You don't go sit on someone's porch.

You don't go walk on their property.

You're walking along the beach That's one thing he said I've had people camping out in front of my house Okay

I'm sorry, but I might have to call BS on something.

First of all, 50 times, I don't believe that.

If there's nothing done after 50 times of actual trespassing onto your property, then that's a problem for the municipality to work out.

But if someone is just walking on the sand on the beach, not towards your house, not past your house, and even if they want to sit in the beach and look at the lake,

That's not even a problem either, but you're talking about like them violating your property rights, then okay, then talk to the cops, talk to a lawyer.

But this is a serious shouldn't be a thing, because it's gonna start people down the road of, well, this is my-

Get off my sand.

Get off my sand,

and they're gonna build fences up to the water,

which is ridiculous.

Which I would think is gonna cause a whole bunch of environmental problems as well, if we have people who start doing that.

Yeah.

So it'll be interesting.

This will be an interesting case to follow up on.

Don't go sit on other people's porches and let people walk on the sand in front of your house.

There should be.

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What do we do during that, Jane?

We get away from the news.

Talk about lighter things so we can all take a breath and crack up.

It's for me.

We're going to talk about the strangers you meet and how that can make a difference.

OK, there

we go.

Because that sentence alone, the strangers you meet can mean a

lot of things when you don't

give qualifiers.

Yes, strangers you meet.

And how could that can be a positive?

thing.

Yeah.

Talk about some joy.

Cindy listening.

I don't in water.

Valet.

Another place I've never heard of water.

Valet.

Water.

Valet.

Cindy where text us.

I'm too lazy to look it up.

Cindy.

Where is water?

Valet.

Okay.

But she says Jane.

This is Southwest Michigan.

She answered it in the text.

There you go.

This is this is Cindy from Southwest Michigan.

I love listening to you over the air on 540 AM.

We could they hear us.

Wow.

That's a strong signal.

I am happy for you and your future plans.

By the way, she's retiring next Friday, the 12th.

But I will miss your lovely, calm voice and quick wick.

Civic Media is an important resource and you will be missed.

Thank you so

much, Cindy.

Thank you so much, Cindy.

We really appreciate you.

That is so lovely of you.

Really, I appreciate that.

Speaking of retirements, I want to give a shout out to Larry Miller.

Yeah.

From Wisconsin Public Radio.

Indeed.

58 years.

My goodness.

He started on WPR in 1967.

Isn't that amazing that's amazing and I've listened to him a garden talk Larry Miller garden talk on Saturdays.

I love that show love that today.

We're gonna talk

about

Geraniums.

Yes, exactly What could make you happier than that?

I don't know shout out to Larry Miller.

Congratulations on a an astonishing 58 year career.

Mm-hmm.

What's mean a shame feel like a like a punk

You think you're retiring?

Well done Larry Miller, congratulations and all good things to you.

We're gonna start off with this because we didn't get around to it last hour and I think it is really important for all of us to be aware of this and I think folks are, other folks maybe not so much.

Donald Trump keeps falling asleep during cabinet meetings.

during press conferences.

During televised cabinet meetings.

This happened yesterday.

I encourage you, actually, we can include some footage in our show notes.

All right.

We'll include some footage in our show notes from yesterday's cabinet meeting.

Now, granted, it was long.

It was two hours long.

Yeah.

It's kind of what you sign up for when you're president.

Well, there is that.

CNN headline says Trump said he was sharper than I was 25 years ago.

Then he spent an hour appearing to doze off again.

CNN, he didn't appear to doze off.

He was.

He was asleep.

Yep.

And he was fighting to stay awake.

Marco Rubio, the secretary of state, is sitting right next to him, talking to him, addressing the president, who is obviously not awake.

Yeah.

Now, we had nothing but

Sleepy Joe, Sleepy Joe, Sleepy Joe, I tagged Jake Tapper yesterday on CNN and said, I am waiting for your big expose on Donald Trump and his health and his sharpness.

Well, I'm waiting because Jake Tapper was all over Sleepy Joe Biden.

And that

opens up a big conversation.

I think the bigger point is when we talk about our elected officials and what they can and can't get done The reports are coming out as well I hate saying that because it just sounds like I'm saying some people are saying but it has been said that his day his You know daily calendar is much shorter.

It's about five six hours a day.

He's 79.

He's 79.

I thought

he's

80 no 79 so That's in a way understandable as you get older and

Him falling asleep isn't a good look, but it was the same thing that the the press just absolutely jumped And it brings for me two points one The consistent double standard from the media as much as as much as the right wants to talk about the mainstream media and the legacy media Well, we've seen a real softening on some reporting over the past few years because you live with a president that is litigious and

and full of spite and full of lawsuits, those bosses, those stockholders don't want to make angry the man who's in the White House.

The other thing too is, yeah, the double standard, but also the fact that we need to talk about our elected officials, when is the age for them to go and retire, leave gracefully,

become an elder

statesman or woman of the party.

And it was top flight news.

last year when this was happening for Joe Biden.

It was a cause for concern.

That debate performance was essentially what led him to leave the race.

But now it's the president of the United States is falling asleep during meetings.

Marco Rubio can be seen just heaping praise upon him.

Well, they all have to go around the room now and offer their compliments to dear leader before they can actually do anything.

That leads to me another question.

Does your sycophancy count if the recipient doesn't hear it?

Yeah.

All that's sucking up.

Does that even count?

He'll watch the tape later.

If he didn't

hear it.

He'll watch the tape later.

It just feels like all that wasted sucking up, you know, for nothing.

And also as a side note, it's just the 10-year decline of Marco Rubio.

The guy who I said at one point, if he was the president of the United States, this was back in 2016 during the primary.

I said, if we get a Marco Rubio Republican presidency, I can live with that because he always purported himself with a little more level of balance, a little bit.

Well, in Trump, in mega world.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

The same thing.

I had the same idea of towards McCain presidency too.

There would at least be some logic that was happening, but to see him backslide to the point of.

the, like, not just a bootlicker, but the guy who lifts the boot up so others can lick.

It is embarrassing.

And he was right next to the president, heaping those praises while the president was nodding off.

Again, I don't want to belabor the actual point.

It's what this inspires as far as conversation is what we look for in our leaders.

coverage from the press and how when one does it, it is earth shattering and embarrassing.

When the other does it, it's kind of funny.

It's the late night, late night talk show hosts are making fun of it.

This is a problem.

And it's a problem for his personal health.

Without a doubt.

I mean, I know, I'm not, where is his family?

I'm trying to think like his family's normal.

They're

not.

He has admitted he's had two MRIs in the last six months.

That's not normal.

No, that's not.

He also won't tell you what was scanned.

Well, he says he doesn't know what we scanned.

I actually believe that.

But going back to Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio is our Secretary of State, correct?

Yes.

There was a meeting in the Kremlin about the Russia-Ukraine war.

I thought he stopped that war.

I thought he stopped the war.

No, that's still going on.

Who went to that meeting in Moscow?

Not our Secretary of State, Marco Rubio.

He wasn't there?

Jared Kushner was there.

Marco Rubio was not there?

Our Secretary of State was not at the negotiations.

about Ukraine and Russia, but Jared Kushner was there.

I mean,

honestly, Jane, honestly, Jane, think about it.

That makes complete sense.

It's about business deals.

Well, it's not just that, but ultimately, who does he trust?

He trusts family.

Marco Rubio is not his family, and he can't trust Marco Rubio to get in a room, especially if he's not there, if the president can't be in that room.

He's not going to send Marco Rubio, because Marco Rubio could have a independent thought

that would slip out

of his mouth.

So he sends Jared, who will do exactly what he has told for various reasons.

So I would be more surprised if only Marco Rubio would have went with maybe some staffers.

No, this doesn't shock me at all.

This is keep your friends close and your enemies closer and do not trust anyone to family.

Marco Rubio is not family.

But this, this should make everybody go, wait a minute.

Our Secretary of State is not involved in these negotiations, but the President's son-in-law is.

Oh, okay.

By the way, Ronnie from Horecon texting and listening on WAUK.

Der Spiegel, the German newspaper, had a picture of Trump from yesterday and called him Commander in Sleep.

Yeah, I've seen the nod father.

I've seen there's so many memes now going around about this

Jimmy Kimmel called them rip

tan Winkle rip But but there is a very serious side to this as another side note the night before Trump was up in the middle of the night rage tweeting for over an hour five hours

160 tweets in five hours.

It

was

no.

Yeah Looney mm-hmm.

That's not

No, it's not.

It's not, it's, it's not healthy behavior.

And you know, I want to, I want to pull it away from everything that isn't about personal and family.

And this man clearly is not doing well.

And I'm not saying that to be snarky.

I'm saying that the same way I was saying Joe Biden should not be running for reelection.

I don't think he, I'm glad he stepped down.

He stepped down.

Far too late.

He said he was gonna be a one-term president in two thousand in two thousand to six twenty when he was running and that went away And then he just made it that I'm the only one who can fix this.

I'll take care of everything He should not have run.

I'm saying that so you know this is not just about Donald Trump This is about the health of the person how it affects their family and how it affects the country This should concern all of us.

We're gonna have to if the next president is anybody

Is a non-maga candidate.

I'm even gonna say let's let's even say in a perfect world a Republican and Adam Kinzinger comes in and wins somehow.

I don't know.

I can believe sir They're gonna need three terms because the first four years is going to be Undoing every you thought Barack Obama had a tough time after Bush.

This is going to be Hundreds of thousands of miles of work that they're gonna have to do going all over

all over the world, and then also rebuilding this government and this country.

They're going to need three

terms.

The way we've ruined our relationships with what used to be our allies.

Canada

doesn't trust

us.

There's going to be a lot of repair work to do.