Tech, Teens, And “The 21st Century Talk” (Hour 2)

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After the 930 news Liz Pancani from Groundwork Collaborative is gonna join us.

We're gonna talk about Thanksgiving prices

Yes, and a really really eye-opening report that was done that we were given during it for our prep that shows that no matter who says it

when you crunch the numbers and all the data, the prices are going up, the prices of Thanksgiving items have gone up.

And that is a problem for regular Americans like me and you.

Liz is going to join us after 9.30.

Next hour, hour number two, Dr. Gabriel Velazquez is going to be joining us.

And we're going to talk about teens and technology,

which

it's such an important conversation,

and

especially the day before Thanksgiving, when half of the table will be on their phones the entire time.

What are they doing on those phones?

And is it good for them?

That and more questions from grandma Jane coming up in the second hour.

You kids.

I, you know, I won't, I'll say this right now because this is a funnier story.

And this is actually a very important topic we're talking about, especially in light of things like the cell phone ban coming through for Wisconsin schools and just basic concerns about technology, not just honestly for kids.

Yes.

But for everyone, I feel, but one, my mom used to be a very big like, get off your phones, get off your phones, get off your phones.

Why are you on your phones?

Like constantly and we're like, this is just.

kind of what life is now.

This is what we do.

And if we talked all the time, disconcerting.

One time I got her on her iPad, she was on her iPad and we were all like, I'm like, get off your iPad, get off your iPad, get off your iPad.

Mom.

Mom.

Why don't

you love us?

Why don't you want to talk to us?

So we're going to talk about teens and tech and us and tech.

Yeah.

In hour number two, for the last half an hour, we will lighten it up as we always do

with

Audio Sorbet, where we take a breath and get away from the harder news.

The creator.

of Mousetrap and Lightbrite has died.

Didn't he do another one too, was there?

Rock'em

Sock'em Robots.

That was a

weird

game.

It was a weird game.

He has passed away at the age of 99, so we started talking about the toys we loved playing with as kids.

And if you have kids or grandkids, other than technology related stuff, what do they play

with?

I'm genuinely curious.

Yeah, we'd love to know that.

We'd love to know what the, what are the youth doing today?

And we'll be consulting with our resident young person, Calvin, although you are starting to graduate out of resident young person.

He is

approaching, you know, 30.

You're approaching that age of, oh, I didn't know you were that old.

We will wrap up the show.

Also, as we always do with this, shouldn't be a thing.

Today we're just calling this that's revolting edition.

I'm trying to remember now.

There's so much happening.

Hold on.

Let me look at the story.

Unless

you

think

of something else.

No, no, no.

I mean, I trust you.

You are an award-winning journalist.

I'm not a journalist.

Do you never want to award for journalism?

No.

OK.

Well, you're an award-winning and legendary voice of radio who's leaving us in two weeks,

retiring.

Retiring

two weeks from Friday.

So be here for the next two weeks.

We're gonna have a lot of fun.

A lot of people.

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Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's revolting addition.

Yeah, it is Thanksgiving related.

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Also, just a little reminder.

If you live in the Ashland area and I know our friend and colleague, Tony Zimmerman is up there.

Oh, baby.

Yeah.

They are under a blizzard warning.

Yeah.

They're looking at snow.

today before four o'clock uh until four o'clock five to nine inches jeez tonight they're looking at less than half an inch but they've got gusting winds we have the gusting winds around here they're gusting up to like 35 miles an hour if you are heading out of the roads a lot of people are going to be traveling for the Thanksgiving holiday 511

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We've got a couple of things.

One thing around Madison, one thing around Janesville.

a surprisingly no accidents reported again in northern Wisconsin along Lake Superior, which is where they're really getting sucked right now.

But please be careful.

if you're heading it, when you head out on the roads and refer to that 511.wi.gov.

It is a great resource.

And we've been inside for a few hours now.

I haven't been outside, I should say, for a few hours, but Southeastern Wisconsin, especially in Kenosha, we're going to hit pretty hard with wind.

A neighbor lost a tree.

Yeah, next door neighbor tree was blown down off the roots, like just out of the ground.

It's nothing else.

Everything else is fine from what I can see here.

Her car wasn't affected.

Thank goodness.

Yeah, I mean, this was powerful enough wins to knock down a tree that is not super old, but also not super young.

So just, you know, the weather is changing.

We're coming into those days.

I'm not going to get in the climate change discussion, but it's all affecting in different ways.

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We want you to have a good time.

Greg texting in on the live stream.

The wind is windy today.

It is very... Everything is windy.

Is that a

song?

Less bluster would be nice, but yeah, just be careful when you're out there.

The blustering is flusterating.

See what I did there?

I did work on it.

Everybody's a critic.

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I'll be back tomorrow for our live show.

We wanted to spend a little time on this.

Sorry.

This from Wisconsin Public Radio.

Joe Schultz has the byline.

Foxconn planning $569 million expansion in Racine County that could create 1,300 jobs.

Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation offering up to $16 million in tax credits to support this expansion.

that will bring the total contract to $96 million.

We still trust Foxconn.

Yeah.

We do.

Well, no, okay.

When I said, yeah, that was more of a, yeah.

I think that no, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, a believe it when I see it.

And I do believe that under the leadership of the current WEDC, which

no longer has Missy Hughes as the head, but she did a wonderful job of fixing that place that did not exist until Scott Walker came in office.

Sorry.

I feel like what they can do is bring a little more.

I mean, this seems more feasible than what Foxconn was coming in originally.

Like they were like, we were going to

save the region.

This is going to be the

thing.

The seventh wonder of the

world.

Yeah.

And, and they really just wanted to get those gold shovels in the ground and then everyone started to just walked away.

But

I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm hopeful.

And they've already got the land.

So let's see what they can do.

But again, if it doesn't work out, I will not be surprised because Foxconn has a long long celebrated history of duping municipalities in America.

They don't have a good reputation.

No, they don't.

Weedex says Foxconn will expand Wisconsin manufacturing footprint in Mount Pleasant and create more than 1,300 jobs, which would be great, including factory and office workers.

Foxconn says it makes

artificial intelligence servers in Mount Pleasant, because we haven't even been sure what they've been doing down there.

At first it was going to be big screens.

Yeah.

And then that went away.

Well, I think it's an all-purpose thing, honestly.

I will say this.

My former years as a barber, I remember cutting the hair of a gentleman who was in charge of the facility at Foxconn, and he said that they had got up and running sooner than anyone knew.

Because they didn't want and I'm sorry if this sounds conspiracy theory, but like I trusted him because he gave me some weirdly specific details He said like they were just trying to work on whatever they wanted to work on without having to tell anybody so therefore there were no expectations because at the time that was a Much fresher project so people had their eyes on them and eventually when we found out that it wasn't going to happen We weren't gonna get that that median job of seventy three thousand dollars then really

It became they get to do whatever they want.

Well, the

eye kind of moved away.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And so now it feels like it was more like an all purpose, whatever Foxconn wants to do.

So I am interested to see what they want to do.

I am interested to see if this happens.

If they can 1300 jobs in that region, that would be great.

That would be fantastic.

Yeah, it would.

Under the newest revision to the Foxconn contract with Wisconsin, the company could earn

Up to $96 million in state tax credits through 2029, Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation says it's been committed to ensuring the company's success and growth.

This new amendment reflects Foxconn's status as one of the many leading global manufacturers that have chosen to grow in Wisconsin.

They want our water.

Yeah, they do.

I mean, that's understandable.

And Microsoft wants our water, the data centers want our water.

And my concern and my question is, especially in the election year next year in 2026, is how are you going to make these plans viable and beneficial for the people of Wisconsin, not just tax breaks and look the other ways and changing parameters on what you were committed to doing?

How are the people of Wisconsin going to benefit from these deals?

That's what you, they're fiduciary responsibilities, lawmakers.

Details, details.

Yeah, right.

When

we return, oh, PFAS back in the news.

PFAS.

We were just talking about this yesterday.

Here's a little update coming for you.

Stay with us.

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We were talking about Foxconn has a new deal.

It looks like with Wisconsin, they're promising now 1,300 jobs, which would be wonderful.

Hopefully that will happen.

Gene from Eau Claire wants to join us on the line.

Good morning, Gene.

What do you think about this Foxconn new

deal?

break to the people that are making these deals.

Fool me once.

Shame on you.

Fool me twice.

Shame on me.

No way, Jose.

All the BS that they pulled through all the state of Wisconsin.

Remember, they purchased different little places, like even in Eau Claire.

Little satellites, little satellite offices that were never staffed by anybody.

Nope.

And God darn it.

People need to call that representative and say,

knock it off.

We've already been conned by Fox con once.

Don't do it again.

Thanks guys for the information and you have a great holiday.

Bye.

You as well.

You as well.

Jane.

Thanks a lot.

By the way, we will be live tomorrow.

Yes.

We

will be live just as a

reminder.

We'll be, you're having a lot of fun.

It's going to be a little bit more of a laid back show.

We got Pat Crite low on for a full hour.

Maybe we can even just finagle him forever.

Just become a permanent co-host.

But, uh, honestly, Jane, you bring up a good point.

And the whole fool me one shame on you, but really when it's Foxconn, it was really fool me 14 times shame on us immediately because as soon as that story was broken, the, the, the discussion was the same company that has the netting around the world for, for employees in Asia, the same company that has duped other municipalities over and we're going to be next in line.

How is this going to, how is this going to be different?

How we, we can't change him.

We can't change him.

It's not a relationship.

You know what I mean?

Like, like they are who they are and they did what they did.

And I want to come with it, come to it with not faith, but just like a little bit of hope, but I won't be surprised if at the end of the day they're

like, yeah.

If it doesn't come through, we'll see what happens with this.

This just, I stumbled on this this morning

on

social media as we were prepping for the show out of the Washington Post.

We were just talking about PFAS yesterday with Dr. Kristen Liarley.

We were just talking about water issues in Wisconsin because Wisconsin Republicans now want to regulate medical waste because they say so many abortion pills are getting into our water systems.

They don't mention anything about PFAS.

No.

Now the EPA, again from the Washington Post, just approved new forever chemical pesticides for use on food.

Critics warn these new approvals of new PFAS pesticides could expose more Americans to forever chemicals through their food.

This seems bad.

This seems irresponsible and criminal.

They're going to use these pesticides on veggies like romaine lettuce, broccoli, and potatoes.

EPA also announced they will relax a rule requiring companies to report all products containing PFAS.

And they've proposed weakening drinking water standards for PFAS.

Good news, French Island.

They're just going to change the standards.

So apparently then your water is going to be okay.

Good news, Nestle.

Good news, Coca-Cola, good news, bottled water companies.

That's what this is about.

No kidding.

I don't have, I have words.

A lot of them aren't FCC compliant, but listen to that.

Listen to how it's being said.

We're relaxing restrictions on the things that keep us safe, keep our kids safe.

This is okay.

How is doing this making America great again?

How is it making America healthy again?

And besides business, who does this benefit?

I mean, well, I would say the chemical companies.

That's what I mean, though.

The businesses make out like bandits and let's, you know, the PFAS thing in Wisconsin, if you don't know, if you don't remember, because we've talked about this quite a few times over the past year plus.

One of the reasons why we have a hundred I don't even know we still have it there anymore But we had a hundred and twenty five million dollars set aside for cleanup of waterways that were affected by PFAS It's been blocked permanently or almost permanently now because one of the things that the Republicans do not want to do and the Democrats have not stood up and fought harder for and hopefully maybe they will in 2026

is the fact that the Republicans want to protect the businesses that are doing the poisoning of our waters.

It's part of the thing where they don't want to have to hold responsible those who are doing the actions that are polluting our waterways and messing up our environment.

We hate PFAs.

We should get rid of them.

But what if it's just John, everybody in his pond, and there's a PFA in there, and then he's going to, no, you don't care about him.

Because if you did, you'd say, hey, if you were an individual and it's a small thing, we remediate, we work through it.

But if we're talking about companies, and they're actively poisoning our waters with their chemicals, they need to be held responsible.

But Robin Foss doesn't

agree with that.

Well, no.

An EPA spokesperson said many fluorinated compounds registered or proposed for U.S.

pesticide use in recent years have unique benefits for farmers, users, and the public, but

Scientists caution, there's a lot that remains unknown about the health and environmental effects of fluorinated pesticides.

PFAS, of course, have already been linked to several kinds of cancer, birth defects, and damage to the liver and immune system among many other health problems.

Okay.

Why are our leaders not fighting for us and the health of the people and the children?

Because we

can't give them million-dollar donations.

Yes, absolutely.

And that is the

probably the most infuriating thing is that at time and time again, they side with money, the money and the other guys, not us.

News is coming up next.

And then when we return, Liz Pancani from Round Work Collaborative is going to be joining us.

We're going to talk about Thanksgiving and food prices.

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prices, Thanksgiving prices.

Liz Pancotti is joining us from Groundwork Collaborative.

She at one point advised Senator Bernie Sanders on economic policy, also researched economic policy at the Roosevelt Institute, Employ America and the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Her research has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian.

Liz Pancotti, good morning.

Thank you so much for joining us.

How are you?

Good.

Good morning.

Thanks so much for having me.

How

are you doing?

We are great.

Looking forward to talking about prices.

It's been interesting watching the messaging coming out of the White House because it does seem to run pretty counter to what Americans are experiencing.

We do have a little clip from Kevin Hassett from the Trump administration talking about the prices.

We're going to play that clip.

Calvin, please.

And as you know, President Trump and his team are out there pushing the truth every day and pushing back on these people.

But if you go back and look, one of my favorite moments on a Sunday show for me last week was on one of the Sunday shows.

You can look it up.

I won't attack the poor fellow that was the anchor.

He criticized the fact that Walmart said that the Thanksgiving dinner is cheaper.

I think it was about $10 for a typical Thanksgiving dinner.

And then he said, oh yeah, but they substituted generic stuff as if like having a generic something is a crime for ordinary folks.

It shows how out of touch these people are.

That is loony tunes.

It's just loony.

I mean...

For one thing, the anchor didn't say he wasn't saying, you know, generic is for losers.

He was saying that you cannot compare last year's Walmart Thanksgiving dinner to this year's because not only did they have fewer items, but they substituted name brands with generics and therefore the price was lower.

Right, Liz?

It is literally an apples to oranges comparison

Yes,

it's funny because the oranges there are fewer oranges than apples as you noted,

right?

And I it's amazing to me that they continue this messaging because I follow a lot of accounts on social media This isn't catching on no matter how much they repeat it

No, I mean I think the American public I went to the grocery store last night stocked up for Thanksgiving paid more than I paid last year People have I think really good memories of wow, you know, typically when I go to the grocery store to stock up for Thanksgiving It's a hundred bucks and this year it's 120 or 130 and I don't think that you know The president is doing this on on everything not just Thanksgiving prices, but going around and saying the prices are lower.

I promise But at the same time he's also going around and

saying that affordability will be his 2026 concern, that he's really sorry he didn't get to witness for a year despite his campaign trail promises to lower prices on day one.

But don't worry, that's his New Year's resolution.

And I think the American people see right through that.

I mean, we polled with data for progress.

We asked people how they felt about Thanksgiving.

And more than 50% of people said that under President Trump's economic agenda, Thanksgiving is less affordable this year.

I wouldn't bought my, my Thanksgiving turkey a couple of weeks ago from a local farm.

And she, before anything she could say, before anything was taken care of, she goes, yeah, I'm sorry, our prices went up this year.

And I'm like, I understand.

And

I'm not mad at you.

I

mean, prices go up, but like, but when prices go up and then you're being told prices are going down, I don't understand how some folks can wrestle with trying to justify that information, especially when you support a president who's clearly saying, who's clearly lying.

And as you pointed out, Liz,

Day one, prices are coming down.

I didn't understand how he was going to do that, but I was hoping that maybe some legislation would come through.

There was a report that we were given that you did with the Century Foundation, Groundwork Collaborative did, that just simply says right here, 10% higher than last year, and that is just the truth.

The data that you have compiled shows that there is no getting around it.

The prices are going up.

Yeah, we looked at data that comes from a company called Nielsen and what they do is when you go to the grocery store and either at the self checkout line you scan or in the regular checkout line your cashier scans Every little sticker that goes through the scanner goes into this massive data set and the data set covers about half of all grocery retail sales in the country So this is a very representative set of data.

We have price data in every state in nearly every county on

know every item in the grocery store.

And so what we did is we looked at the most popular items, you know, everybody's buying Libby's pumpkin pie filling or craft stove top stuffing.

We looked at all of these different products to see what people were actually buying.

And then we just simply compared the exact same sticker, the same UPC from this year to last year.

So they are the exact same item.

And if items weren't available this year, you know, new items this year, we didn't compare them.

And we find that across the board, these typical, you know,

items are up by 10% across the board.

Some items are up even more than that.

We find that onions are up 56%.

Oh my goodness.

And canned cranberry sauce from Ocean Spray is up 22%.

I mean, I can't imagine having Thanksgiving without any onions in the stuffing or the turkey or a lack of canned cranberry sauce on the table.

And so while Kevin has it says, well, people could buy great value brand cranberry sauce instead of ocean spray cranberry sauce.

Sure.

And in fact, we see retailers, Target and Walmart CEOs are both telling their investors that they see low and middle income consumers switching from store brand to generic brand items or looking for more coupons and discounts.

But that is because their wages, Americans' wages are going down, adjusted for inflation.

The prices are going up by so much and the labor market has softened by so much that in fact, your paycheck just doesn't go as far.

So they are forced to buy those store brand.

There's nothing wrong with those.

In many cases, they are the exact same item.

My uncle worked for a dairy in Memphis, Tennessee for 20 years and they bottled five different labels of milk at the dairy and it was all the same exact milk coming out.

But for some items, they are really different.

I don't know if anyone's ever bought generic cereal, but it's usually not as good as the brand name ones.

And if customers want to make that choice, that's totally fine, but they shouldn't be forced to either choose

items they don't want or you know switch from fresh produce to canned produce or worse I mean we find that one in ten people say they will skip Thanksgiving entirely because it's just too expensive this year.

If you're just joining us here on Matt and Aaron here, we're speaking with Elizabeth Pancati, who is the Managing Director of Policy and Advocacy at Groundwork Collaborative.

And we're talking about a study that she was a contributor to and just the overall narrative that this year Thanksgiving is more expensive.

And a study that she was part of, I will link in the show notes shows that at average, the price is going up 10% this year for the Thanksgiving items.

And something that, you know,

In these types of conversations, I don't like to go heavy political.

But the problem is when we talk about cost and we talk about a president who said he's going to bring prices down, you can't get away from it, especially when he says, then I'll get to it next year now.

In this report, it says two thirds of voters are stressed about affording holiday expenses.

Two thirds of voters, that's not all people who voted for one person.

That is a wide swath of individuals who have different political values, different economic values, but they're all

They're all connected on this that affording their groceries, affording their gifts is going to be hard and this is something else we talked about too is that it opens up the line to putting things on credit card and putting yourself in debt and that's a bigger problem too.

Yeah, I mean, I think we find that people from all parties and we can in fact even slice our data by party affiliation.

We find that 39% of Democrats are buying fewer items yet 43% of independence and 31% of Republicans are buying fewer items.

So this is not a single party thing.

We are seeing this across the board.

We also find that while 14% of people across the board are forgoing typical travel, that number actually climbs to 19%.

of independence.

And so regardless of who you voted for in last year's election or if you voted, there's no escaping higher prices this holiday season.

No, it's reality and we're all seeing it every time we walk into the store.

One article I read Liz pointed to in some instances, turkeys were actually a little less expensive, but that was because the feed was less expensive and the feed was less expensive because

It was soybeans which we are no longer exporting.

Yeah, especially in places like Wisconsin I mean farmers are just really getting hit by Trump's tariffs while things like soybeans might be cheaper because we are not exporting them which by the way also means farmers are not getting a paycheck for a lot of those soybeans other things like fertilizer which is largely imported is much more expensive and other types of feeder up and you know other farm products Caterpillar and John Deere have both raised their prices I know that that hits home in Racine given how much industrial many

factoring goes on, those steel and aluminum tariffs are really driving up the price of heavy equipment and cutting jobs in places like Racine.

I'm looking at an article from Wisconsin Public Radio that cites Mike Semin, who's president and CEO of the Wisconsin Grocers Association.

He also said higher costs for labor, transportation, and utilities are impacting the food supply chain.

And when we talk about the price, especially of

vegetables, fresh vegetables going up.

This is all a part of decimating the workforce that works on our farms and picks that stuff.

Yeah, Trump's crackdowns on immigrant labor have really driven up the price of both fresh produce and of Meat across the board just given how many immigrant workers work in our food supply chains whether it's on farms or in meatpacking facilities So many folks are either too afraid to go to work or unfortunately have had their work visas or Either had their work visas cut or been deported

And this is something for more of a question.

I apologize if you don't have the answer right off the top of your head.

But I feel like with all of these things happening, people are getting a real sense of the chain of, not to chain of command, but like how things like labor affects prices, feed affects prices.

That affects me.

You know, not being able to get stuff shipped here because of tariffs.

All of those things affects the food that goes on your table, the clothes you put on your back, the services that are available to save.

to fix your home.

Do you, in your research with your group, do you see people starting to come to light to understanding how one thing affects another, just like a butterfly effect, if you will?

Yeah, I think what you said is exactly right.

People have really realized, I'd say over the past five years or so, just given supply chain crises and the COVID-19 pandemic and now tariffs and immigration and other issues, people realize how interconnected our economy is that if you flip one switch over here, it doesn't mean that everything else is isolated.

If you blow a fuse in your house, it might either blow out one electrical.

switch or the entire basement.

And I think that's what we're seeing happen here.

In our research, we do find that

people from from across the political spectrum really are worried about prices and affordability.

Their economy is the economy is their number one concern.

And they say that President Trump and Republicans in Congress are not prioritizing it.

And further, we find that a lot of voters are really regretting their votes for President Trump or just saying, I really thought he was going to come in and lower prices and we do not see him delivering.

And I think across the board, you know, President Trump is currently at his

lowest approval rating on the economy, even compared to the entire first

term.

sentiment you're talking about right now is being discussed a lot with the first year coming up.

And people saying, I did this for the economy.

I wanted lower prices.

And we're going to talk more about this on the other side of the break.

But we are talking to Liz Pancati, who is the Managing Director of Policy and Advocacy at Groundwork Collaborative.

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Our guest is Liz Pancotti.

She's the managing director of policy and advocacy at Groundwork Collaborative.

We are talking about Thanksgiving prices and prices.

in general.

Just a couple of side notes here.

A 511wi.gov is that website that will show you where all the accidents are across the state, and I have been checking this across the morning.

We do have some accidents scattered around Wisconsin, but it looks like it really starts getting hairy when you're on 94 north of Wisconsin-Dells.

Yeah.

Visibility is bad.

We do have a blizzard warning for parts of Ashland, so far northern Wisconsin.

So please just be careful with that.

And now we have some power outages we're dealing

with.

We do have power outages around the state, Wisconsin.

I see here about 12,374 people are without power, mainly going up through the southeastern area of Wisconsin.

I know my power is out in Kenosha right now.

So yeah, just be aware, be aware, be safe.

And they're working on it right now, according to the website.

They're working on it.

Of

course they are.

But if you have an elderly neighbor or something like that,

and this goes

on for a while, you may want to go check on them.

Exactly.

All right.

We're going to get back to Liz Pancati, our guest here.

Liz, we had a couple of texts come in during the break.

Jim from Campbell's Port says, I am a store brand rep.

You have to price compare private label versus national brand.

Also, don't forget there's a difference between store brand and second tier lines, which are considered generic.

I didn't even know that was a thing.

We can see all of that in our data set.

For produce, for example, in some parts of the country, Chiquita bananas are more popular, and in other parts of the country, Del Monte bananas are more popular.

It just depends on where things come from.

Dairy is another one where Borden is popular in some places.

There's also a great value brand at Walmart and different local brands.

We're able to look across the country at both the product category, so just all whole milk.

at specific products.

So where there's a lot of variation, especially for things like produce, we can kind of transcend the brand level analysis.

And then where, you know, things like green giant canned green beans are very popular.

And so we were able to look at specific brands when they are driving the greatest share of sales.

I think the something I want to go back to what you mentioned in the previous segment was the fact that, you know, we talk about it a lot, but people I have to imagine, along with

the chain of command of how are, how the processes affect our food prices and affect the things we can access.

The fact that wages have stagnated or gone down to when adjusted for inflation, that's also a huge problem when people are just trying to buy, trying to buy canned cranberry.

And they are like, well, we'll skip that this year because they can't afford it because their job that, you know, and then we're not talking about poor only.

We're talking about poor working, poor working class, blue color, middle class people is all affected by the fact that wages are not.

Keeping up with what's going on with prices

Yeah, that's exactly right.

I mean we find that most Americans feel like their paychecks are just not keeping up In in times of high inflation I mean the basic essentials things like housing groceries and utility bills are all up by 30% over the past five years I don't know very many people who got a 30%

paycheck increase over the past 30

years?

Maybe if you're a CEO, Liz, I bet some of those guys got a 30% raise.

I think this is the issue.

And it's not just, you know, it's hard.

You said you bought your turkey from a local farm.

It's hard to look at our local producers, especially in a state like Wisconsin, and say you shouldn't raise your prices.

And for most of these people, they're actually taking home a lot less than they were five years ago, even in light of 30% price increases or more.

And these big, especially in agriculture, big conglomerate corporations are making out bandits while farmers and ranchers are getting squeezed.

And everyday Americans, whether you're blue collar or even upper middle class, it is really difficult to afford just the biggest sick essentials, much less the little

like the marshmallows for the top of your sweet potatoes.

You

might

skip this year.

And you mentioned these big conglomerates.

We just had a meat processing plant close, I believe, in Kentucky.

And that, from my understanding, is one of the major problems with our beef producers and why beef is so high is because we have four companies that control all the beef processing in this country.

And one of them is a Brazilian company.

That's exactly right.

I mean in Nebraska just literally last week Tyson announced will be closing a factory that employs nearly 3,000 people just ahead of the holidays and yet the top five executives at Tyson's got over 10 million dollars in bonuses.

Wait a minute.

What?

When did this start happening?

When did CEO start getting bonuses in light of mass firing?

We don't have time to talk about it right now, but I would love to talk to you about this again.

Working for someone like Bernie Sanders and with the election of Zoran Mamdani in New York, I'm wondering how many Americans are starting to open their eyes and accept new ideas on how we need to lead and create laws that actually benefit the people of this country and make it so that we can afford Thanksgiving.

I think that's a pretty common sense thing that is felt across all political parties right now.

Liz Pancotti is the Managing Director of Policy and Advocacy at Groundwork Collaborative.

Thank you so very much for your time, Liz.

It's been a really, really interesting conversation.

Appreciate it.

Thanks so much for having me.

Happy Thanksgiving.

You as well.

Stay tuned.

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We're going to talk about teens and technology and adults and technology while we are on the subject with Dr. Gabriel Velez is going to be joining us.

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is an associate professor and developmental psychologist in the Department of Educational Policy and Leadership in the College of Education at Marquette University.

Dr. Gabriel Velez is our guest.

Good morning, Dr. Velez.

Thanks so much for joining us.

How are you?

Good morning, Jane.

Thank you.

I'm doing well this morning getting excited for Thanksgiving.

The weather's a little crummy, but it's, you know, it's winter time.

Hang on to your hat when you walk outside.

It is a little crazy.

But we thought

what

a great time to talk about teens and technology and even adults and technology.

The day before Thanksgiving, when half of the table is going to be on their phones while you're passing around this stuffing and driving everybody crazy.

Yep, that is 100% right.

And you know, I was out at a coffee shop this morning and I saw someone with Jonathan Heights book, the anxious generation, which is all about this topic.

And I was thinking, you know, it's on people's minds.

Yeah,

it really is.

I don't think we appreciate Dr. Velez just how damaging phones and social media are for all of us.

Right.

Yes.

And that's where it begins.

You know, I think there's so much focus on youth and on

students and on schools and all that's right.

But it really begins with us as adults.

You know, I've talked to some young people, I remember in one of my classes, we were talking about some of these issues and questions.

And they said, you know, our teachers are telling us ban your phones, you know, put them away, you can't have them at school.

And then they're like, they'll give us a worksheet.

And then I see there's, you know, they're sitting there kind of like scrolling on some kind of app on their phone.

And, you know, like, yeah, it's, it's a challenge for all of us.

But if we're going to focus on young people, we got to think about ourselves too.

And we're seeing now in Wisconsin, there's something in California now in Wisconsin, they want to ban cell phones in school.

And, and I, I want us to open up.

And if you, if you're a listener, you notice I do not have children.

I do not have children in school.

So I feel like mine could be a very cut and dry, simple opinion is like, well, yeah, don't have the phones.

Cause back in my day, dot, dot, dot, but I mean, what?

Tell us what the arguments for kids having phones in school start there because we have very much said like, yeah, we're going to ban phones in school.

You don't need them.

And it's a distraction.

But there are people out there, parents, people who are not kids in school who say it might not be the best idea.

But are there a viable argument saying kids should have access to them, aside from social media, which we're going to get to?

Sure, sure.

You know, I can almost group it into sort of three areas.

I think, you know, on the side of the parents, right?

We've heard this before.

There's the kind of concern around, like, if I need to contact my student,

right?

Or

if they need to contact me.

And that, you know, is just, I think, tied into larger questions and issues where parents these days are more stressed about safety, about being in contact, and also I would say about surveillance of their students, right?

So smartphones also allow for this ability to sort of track your student because, you know, it's on them, you know, it's on, you say, oh.

I should be able to get in touch with them.

I think at the educational side, there's a bit of a case to be made to say that smartphones can facilitate certain types of learning.

right?

I mean like any technology it's a tool and so it's a little bit of how you use it.

You know

I in my class for instance sometimes have students doing in classroom polls where they pull up their phone and they use a QR code that they see on the screen and they can contribute some thought relatively anonymously that we then see you know on the on the board kind of in front of us and then the third part that I would say as a developmental psychologist that we don't talk about enough is that

We're meant to sort of use schools to teach young people about how to use things well and healthily, right?

I mean, think about this with like peer conflict, right?

One of the great parts about schools is if we do it well, we can teach young people how do you engage when you've got a conflict with your friend, with an adult, with someone else?

And I do think there's a case to be made that phones are a real huge challenge, but we could also structure

teaching kids about, like, how do you engage with this healthily?

How do you use it as something that's going to benefit you rather than something that's just constantly distracting you or tapping into sort of your mental health in a negative way?

You make such a good point though, Dr. Velez, about this is a tool.

Now let's learn how to properly use this tool so we don't injure ourselves with said tool, right?

Yeah.

Yep.

And I think the challenge there becomes, you know, we say tool, we think of like a hammer, right?

And to some degree, you know, there's a company out there producing a hammer for us to use, but it's not producing a hammer that will sort of be constantly drawing our attention and constantly pulling at us, right?

And social media and smartphones are set up by companies that are making money off of our attention.

So it's, you know, it's a tool, but it certainly is, you know, a little bit of a different one.

I think there, there's an important point you're making there too is, you know, it's the adults responsibility where they were talking about, you know, mentors, teachers or parents to teach kids how to make it in the world using the tools they have available to them.

And I think that then puts a responsibility on those older folks to understand how those young people use these tools because people who are Gen Z were born into cell phones, born into tablets.

They probably don't know a life before that.

And it,

It takes the responsibility of the adult up higher to understand what they're going through to say, this is what you need to do.

Because we had a slide presentation that was sent that you use that says, basically, when adults try to teach kids, we're trying to teach them from our point of view and our experience.

Well, go do X, because that's what I did.

And that's what my dad and my granddad did.

Guess what?

That's not how it works.

And so it's not applicable anymore.

So kids aren't going to do it that way.

They're going to find their own way.

So it is up to the adults to say, I have to meet kids where they are to to understand their struggles, their needs, and that what comes through these, whether it's social media, whether it's just the phone itself, I think that's a, it's not just about teens of technology.

It's about how our adults part of the conversation and being responsible as well.

Yeah, 100% yes.

And I think, you know, too often we assume things about young people and I love the efforts and initiatives you hear out there where they're leading the charge, right?

And like there's a great organization in Milwaukee called Disconnect, which is about empowering young people to sort of take action around digital technologies and encourage other young people and advocate in educational spaces.

And that's really beginning with them.

And I think if we try and do things from top down, right, we're just going to end up in a world where they're sneaking their phones in and they're looking at them in the bathroom and we're trying to

police and surveil and all of that.

Yeah, when you tell a teenager not to do something that frequently will have the opposite effect.

100%.

I know adults who are the same way.

If you are just joining us, Dr. Gabriel Velez is our guest.

He is at the College of Education at Marquette University and we're talking about technology and all of us, not just teenagers, is there

A certain amount of time, Dr. Velez, that we should limit ourselves to on our devices, is it?

Three hours, you're done.

You know, three hours

a week

and you're done.

Yep, you know that is the challenge with some of these things is that I think we always are looking for the easy clear cut, right?

This comes, you know about like I get the question often you hear like what age should I introduce a smartphone to my child and you know There's some great campaigns out there that say like wait until eight because eighth grade is a nice sort of like direct cutoff I do think to that point, you know, it's not necessarily about limiting the time I would say it's becoming aware of how we're using that time and that's where we can use our phones, you know and our tools and apps to our advantage because

there's lots of great apps and tools out there that will track your time and I do this even sometimes myself and so that makes me aware my gosh I'm spending you know X amount of time on my phone or I'm opening it you know I've done that and I've noticed like I open it you know hundreds of times a day and that just makes me aware my gosh like I'm looking at my phone that often and so you know I think rather than sort of

box ourselves into one size fits all.

I think it's just making sure we're attentive and aware of the ways and the time that we are spending in that.

And then, you know, it's a bit of a challenge to ask ourselves to reflect and say, is that how I want to be spending that time?

Is it healthy for me?

How am I feeling about that?

There's an article in the Washington Post from this morning, Dr. Velez, that says, Dear Washington Post, shut up!

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

I'll think I'll look at that later.

But it, you know, sometimes, you know, you need this research and also tells you things we already know, right?

Like I doubt the very few people that read that and said,

surprise, that

is groundbreaking.

Yeah.

You know, but we need that.

And I want to, you know, that topic of when to introduce a cell phone or devices or that digital world to your kid, you know, I think that also brings back what I was just talking about as far as.

Not, I don't want to say the responsibility of parents.

I don't want to tell a parent how to raise their child, but the opportunities to sit down and say, all right, you're going into eighth grade.

It's time to get you a phone or time to get you a lap, a device.

Let's have these conversations and talk about it because I'm willing to bet that these cell phone bands that are coming through and people's attitudes, they don't take into consideration the children's opinions.

Their opinions are valid on why they may or may not need them.

You have to have these conversations and say, why do you think you need these?

For school, okay, great.

We'll do X, Y, and Z. But let's limit your screen time.

Let's talk about what you're looking at.

Be open and honest about these things because I read an article in the JS, an opinion piece from a woman who, you know, she said from the moment she got her son an Xbox and a cell phone that it was the slow decline into

disappearing into the world of social media where it's not real connections and that led to drug use and that led to his death.

And I'm not saying I'm gonna go that far, but it is about being open to the conversation about what your kids are looking at when you introduce them, especially at such a young age, which seems like you almost, I have to imagine there's more pressure on parents to introduce digital devices than even for their children.

Yeah, I think you're really right.

You know, so I have three young kids.

I have a seven, a five, and a three year old.

And, you know, one of the things that I feel very fortunate about is we're raising them in a world where actually we know a lot of other parents who are talking about this and are waiting to give their kids devices, right?

And I think five or ten

years ago, that was not the case, right?

It was much more likely that there were the parents who were giving the devices and you felt the pressure if you were saying, maybe we should wait and hold off.

Yeah.

You know, but the other point that you mentioned about that, Greg, is

I think it's also just like critical that we're thinking about what's going on in the schools and this communication across that because I'm realizing my oldest son is getting more engaged with screens and technology at school than he is at home.

But also then I'm reading, you know, a lot of schools are not really careful and thoughtful.

Like we think that schools would have all these guardrails, right?

But there's a lot of good evidence that sometimes kids are put in, you know, front of a screen and the teacher is going and helping some other student one-on-one.

And there isn't actually a lot of oversight or control or sort of regulation around how that other student is using the screen.

That's so interesting though, Dr. Velez, that you're meeting more parents who are waiting.

to introduce that social media because I can imagine, oh, you poor thing.

You're one of Dr. Velez's kids.

How sad for you.

You don't, you don't have a smartphone.

And then your kid is coming to you saying like, oh, but Johnny and everybody else has

one.

Yes.

Why are we so odd?

I feel like there was a time when, when this became more prevalent in children's lives, a lot of parents were like, you're not getting one till high school.

And that was just the thing.

You don't get social.

You don't need

that.

And then it got.

younger and younger because they're like, oh, these got games on here and they'll be entertaining themselves.

And now as you're saying, there's more thought into it.

There's more, there's more possible damage.

There's more research.

So it's like, when is a good time to do this?

We decide as a family, not by societal pressures.

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We are joined by Dr. Gabriel Velez, associate professor, developmental psychologist in the College of Education at Marquette University, and we're talking about our phones and us.

And we had a couple texts come in, Dr. Velez, and I just wanted to share.

John from Milwaukee says, I say ban phones for everyone.

L. O. L. And, uh, Sue from Franklin says we got our daughter a phone when she was 12 and we were pressured to hold out for that long.

She still did great in school, but her reading test scores dropped over the next couple of years.

And I think it was because she was on the phone more than she was reading like she used to.

All worked out okay.

She's now 27.

She has her masters.

So she came out on top, but.

It's it key really detrimental for us.

I saw a report earlier this week We have six-year-old girls now who are asking their moms if they're fat Because of what they're seeing on social media.

That's horrifying

Yeah.

The potential is what's scary, I think, too.

And I think if you're parent out there and you're worried and you're getting super concerned, any given individual young person, you don't want to just assume all these bad things, that they're seeing pornography, that they're exposed to this, that it's going to destroy them.

But when we look across our country and across lots of young people, it is affecting a lot of them negatively.

And so it is something we need to be talking about, thinking about, and developing policies in schools and states.

you know, in these different ways.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I think too, I think it's also particularly for young men who aren't getting out, who aren't socializing, who are building their whole world online.

Yeah, and that's where, you know, I love that you bring that up because, you know, it's not happening in a vacuum.

Right.

That's the other thing we need to keep in mind.

So there are pressures right now for being young men, and there are all sorts of other dynamics going on.

And young people are feeling like less connected.

And for boys in particular, that can be hard when they maybe also feel social pressures, emotional pressures, and then phones and video games and pornography, too, that they can access on these.

They go down a deeper hole.

And so, you know, I think we need to be attentive, right, too, that it's not the same for all young people either.

And so different groups, it's going to affect them in different ways.

I think something that I saw from the power.

point that our senior producer Tucker provided for us in our research is that also two major things that hit me was one, the discernible and trackable study that shows that kids are just getting less sleep too.

And as well as the teens who meet up in real life every day, it's going down because I mean, I won't lie.

Social media, I think in its infancy, in its most altruistic form, was here to connect us.

And it has, there are definite positive attributes to how we can affect the world by being on social media.

That's, but there is a loneliness epidemic.

And it's something that has, it's hit adults more, but it's kids are almost growing up in it from the start.

Just like they're growing up with social media and technology, they understand that it's, you're not truly connected.

And this,

whether it's Snapchat, WhatsApp, it's not a real relationship and it can provide a lot of internal anxiety and problems which kids are going through all the time.

Yeah, you know Greg that you had such a good point because the other part about this is you know We're in a world where AI is taking off and we're

seeing

more evidence that young people are engaging with chatbots like their friends And you know that's part of my concern.

We're exactly what you're describing, right?

It's one thing if it's a real person that you're connecting with virtually and you're not getting the in-person connection It's a whole another thing if it's virtual.

Yes And so, you know, that's where some of my fear comes we're talking, you know a lot about cheating with AI in schools But we're not talking about the possibilities for young people

sort of going to AI chatbots rather than friends or teachers or other real people and connecting in that way.

Well, and that's why I said too, there is a concern about building an entire online world for yourself where you never have to go outside of that.

for human connection.

You can have your AI best friend.

You can have your girlfriend who's on only fans.

You can do all of these things without ever leaving your house and you never have to actually get out in the world and have face-to-face conversations.

And it's, you're missing so much.

Yes, yes.

And the other part, and I gotta go back to my sort of background as a developmental psychologist is relationships and in-person connection matter so much for so much of

parts of development, right?

Of growing, of learning, of becoming, you know, fully sort of functional adults and citizens.

And so when I work with schools and teachers, you know, sometimes rather than focusing on what can we do about the technology, which can feel really overwhelming, I say, let's really double down on how can we build relationships, right?

What can you do to make more in-person connections for yourself with the young person or for young people with other young people?

And, you know, then it kind of has a little bit of a positive strain space to kind of like, how can we take this on?

I think that also brings back to the point of the responsibility of the mentor, the teacher, the parent.

When we say there's so much going on in the world, they might look at us and say, like what?

Okay.

Take them out into the world.

Show them what you love.

Show them what's good out there.

Don't just say, go out and play.

Do something with them and expose them so they can understand, not just tell them that what they're doing is,

you know, wrong.

Yeah.

I think once again, it brings forth the idea that

In this conversation, the adults have to meet the kids halfway and understand as much as they can what they're going through and be a tool to help as they're trying to understand the tools in their lives.

I completely agree.

And I think it's the same also for AI, like

you're saying,

you know, we can't just ban it.

We can't hide it and not talk about it.

We need to meet them there, understand why they're using it, how they're feeling and think about, okay, how can we then lead them to a healthier, more positive outcome and engagement with it?

Dr. Gabriel Velez is an associate professor and developmental psychologist in the Department of Educational Policy in the College of Education at Marquette University.

Such an interesting discussion.

Thank you so much, Dr. Velez.

Really, really appreciate your time.

Yeah, thank you both.

This has been great.

Happy

Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving.

You too.

Yeah, have a good

one.

None of us will be on our phones tomorrow.

Oh, I will be.

Oh,

I will

be.

Not just put them away.

I will be.

We have news coming up next, and then we're going to lighten it up with some audio survey, and we're going to talk about toys.

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every every time yep and then

Grand prizes.

We have a grand prize, a snowblower, stainless steel cookware set, portable air conditioner, some very, very nice prizes.

And all you have to do is listen.

Start your winter ride with a portable air conditioning unit.

Well, we'll need that eventually.

But yes, it is going to start on Monday.

The contest starts on Monday.

You have to enter

via the Civic Media app.

Correct.

So go to your app store.

It is absolutely free

and

be ready for Monday so you can take part.

Contest goes until the 12th of December, which happens to be the last day of Jane McNair's radio career here at Civic Media.

And just done.

She's done.

She's like, she threw down her headset one day.

She's like, I'm out of here.

And we're like, can you stay until the 12th?

She's like, fuck.

Yeah,

so the next two weeks will just be having fun.

They'll be fun guests Maybe some surprises, but you want to stick around and listen and be a part of it.

Let us know

You know, in those weeks, what Jane meant to you, what she means to you, make her cry.

When you give her compliments, she cries, but they're good tears.

They're good tears.