It’s Not A Loophole, It’s The Law (Hour 2)

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He hosts a show called amicus a law review on Saturdays across the network 9 to 11 great show He's also a pretzel bites enthusiast.

He is a pretzel bites enthusiast Lots of things going on in the world of law.

Yeah, so Jim Santel will be joining us after 9 30 I hope you can stick around for that wanted to talk about this because we did address this a little bit yesterday And I know Todd all but talked about it on his show

as

well

snuck into that little measure to reopen the government.

I thought it was such a clean CR they talked about.

Clean CR people.

Not so much.

And it's amazing.

No one has taken responsibility for putting this in the bill either.

I don't understand why that's a thing.

That should not

be it's amazing how they can be so sneaky when this country is supposed to be about checks and balances and accountability Accountability personal responsibility.

Yeah, not so much

So a provision slipped in there would allow eight senators including our very own senior senator Ron Johnson to sue the federal government for up to $500,000

over searches of their phone records that were tied to the January 6th attack against the Capitol.

These were legally authorized subpoenas for this information.

And now they want to be able to sue essentially us,

my friends, us.

Yeah.

Well, Jane, one little thing, it's $500,000.

per violation.

Per violation.

So depending on who the person is and how many violations they feel like has violated their gentle souls, even though this is all done above board and legally, they can sue on each count.

Yeah.

I called Ron Johnson's office yesterday.

And he'd be like, pick up the phone and say, Jane, good to hear from you.

No, I left a message and I just said, I'm just hoping for some clarification that in addition to the privilege of helping to pay for Senator Johnson's salary of $174,500 a year, that if this goes through, then I will also get the privilege as a U.S.

taxpayer of helping pay him $500,000 per.

because he was involved and investigated for his role in the January 6th attack at the Capitol.

I said, I'm sure you'll get back to me.

I'm looking forward to chatting.

Ron Johnson has now come out and said he's not going to pursue this-ish.

I mean, well, no, do I believe him?

We'll see.

But he said that he's not going to take advantage of this.

And now they're saying that they're going to have a vote next week to take this

out.

So they want to get rid of the provision altogether.

Mike Johnson

has said, yeah, we might, we might

go on and we need, cause that's what happens.

They do something, they slip something into a bill and then it gets found out and then they go, oh, how did that get in there?

I've never seen that before.

I can't believe we had that out.

Well, company was here and they say, oh, we, well, that was, that was a working idea.

Right.

Okay.

I'll tell you what, put together a press conference or just a press release, the person who slipped that into the bill,

should say they want to take it out themselves.

So then we know who put it in the first place.

That's what I would love to know.

I

think this is something on which we could all agree that if you put something into a measure to become law, you should be required to claim it as yours.

This anonymous, let's just stick this in the bill.

That's happened here in Wisconsin as well.

on both sides.

I don't, I don't think that's something we will agree upon because it depends on who's doing it.

But I think

as constituents, yeah, of course, it's just our lawmakers who are like, yeah, well, I don't have to have to sign my name to that.

That would make me look bad.

Yeah, I think this is, I mean,

Can you can you give me a I mean there are there of course I'm not better examples But just another gold standard example of this administration and what they think they can get away with to put more money into the pockets of rich people really wealthy people really wealthy people who I mean I'll Take a $500,000 I do a lot with that money first of all I pay my tax for folks like us that would that would go a long way my tax yeah, but it's just that like

You keep trying and trying and trying to do these things and make sure but but fortunately for these individuals fortune for these lawmakers and those who are in this bubble They're now living in a 24-hour news cycle and a social media Vortex and a vacuum of information that allows them to do these things and then 48 hours we forget and that's not me blaming anyone We've talked about this before we're busy.

We have lives and how many times this year have you heard someone from?

Washington say something, you go, I totally forgot about that.

That they did that.

Like Elon Musk and Doge.

We don't talk about that anymore.

Yeah.

No,

at all.

By the way, if you would like to call Senator Ron Johnson, because I know he'd love to hear from you.

That's what his voicemail said when I called yesterday.

We would love to hear from you.

I give him a jingle at 202-224-5323.

Make sure.

He's not going to take advantage and sue for us, essentially, as U.S.

taxpayers for $500,000 per offense.

Just let him know

how you feel.

I think that's one of the big problems too, Jane, that you just nailed by saying is the fact that people just think there's money.

And the money is there for something.

It comes from somewhere.

It always comes from us.

We're the taxpayers.

We are the funders of this government.

Aren't we lucky?

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Good morning, sir.

How are you?

Jane, Greg, once again, delighted to be with you on a wonderful sunny American morning.

There you

go.

It is going to be a

beautiful fall day, actually, if you have the chance to get outside.

Before you joined us, Jim, we were talking about this.

little provision that got snuck into this deal to reopen the government that gives eight Republican senators the ability to sue the federal government for $500,000 each instance because they were subpoenaed about their involvement in the January 6th attack on the Capitol.

How many things are wrong with this?

Can we list them as it's 17, 18, 19 things aside from the policy notion that we've got these folks as you indicated in the previous segment who are public figures, who again, are apparently eggshell in their skin, so to speak.

Beyond that, it would be, let's start with this notion, any legitimate investigation, this is the Jack Smith investigation, any legitimate investigation in which

Part of the focus is on who is speaking to whom, what kind of communications were going on, what do you do to find out what was going on, whether there was a conspiracy, whether there was a crime or not, you talk to the people who were engaged in the conversations.

And yes, indeed, I will tell you with absolute certainty, it is routine.

This may come as a surprise to those Republicans in Congress, but it is routine for

criminal federal investigators to get what are called telephone tolls.

What do you do?

It simply establishes, well, you know what, Jane, on this particular day, at this particular moment, you and Greg had a phone call.

That's what it shows.

Josh Hawley, who was part of a hearing a couple of days or so ago, said, they're wiretapping our phones.

That did not happen.

Wiretapping, Josh, as you know, you're the former attorney general in Missouri.

You know that's wrong.

This is not a wiretap, but again, a legitimate law enforcement effort to try to figure out who was talking to whom at a time when the nation was under attack before, during, after that.

the kinds of things that are going on, it would have been, and Republicans and Democrats would be shouting this from the rooftops in any other circumstance, a professional prosecutorial malpractice not to trace the communications.

This is what we do every single day, every hour in America when we're investigating cases.

There is no violation of constitutional rights here, as you indicated before, authorized also legally, lawfully.

No problem there.

These are lawsuits that are doomed to fail, frankly, and even the legislation is ridiculous.

If you are the subject of, you're the victim of some constitutional violation of by law enforcement, you can file a lawsuit.

You don't need legislative approval to do it.

It's all just for the purpose of highlighting this horrific thing that frankly never happened.

Again, those are probably about four or five of the 19 things that are wrong.

with this going ahead.

Not at all surprised that they said, well, maybe we're going to withdraw this afterwards.

Well, let's do that.

Because you got

caught.

Yeah, exactly.

And I want to go back to and I know we're not going to solve this.

I do not understand how it is legal that no one has to claim they are the one who slipped this into

this

bill.

That should not be

a thing.

That should not be.

And Jane.

It is known, right?

It just doesn't happen cosmically.

This is not some ephemeral kind of a thing going on.

Somebody did this.

And maybe several somebodies, right?

There are records of that.

That's how the legislation works.

So many problems, so many problems.

Let's send the messages as you're indicating to our senators.

I am pleased for once that my own senator is not going to down this road.

Nobody should.

There's no lawsuit here.

Move on to, oh, I don't know, representing the people of the United States of America in the United States Senate.

How about that?

How about doing that?

I don't know.

That would be your job.

I guess people, you know, you could look at it that way.

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Before we move on, I do want to talk a little bit about

We have a treasure trove of Jeffrey Epstein emails now that have come out just in the last two days.

And it just looks worse and worse and worse for Donald Trump and his unceasing efforts to not release the Epstein files.

Right.

Distancing himself plainly, as you just indicated, every single day, more indications that, yes, they may have had a falling out at some point, but as they both said, they were

Maybe best friends or close to best friends for a long period of time.

These latest revelations, again, Donald Trump knowing about the girls.

Of course he did, right?

Of course they have these conversations.

None of this surprising, but now I've got a confirmation.

And Jane, here is your larger most important point.

Not bring this to a conclusion, but bring this portion of it to a conclusion.

Simply release the files.

Pam Bondi can do this this morning by noon time.

and they're out there and then everyone can take a look at them.

I know there will still be those allegations that there's still a cover up.

There are things not produced, but this can be produced.

And it does go to this central issue, which is if you don't want them released, why not?

And the answer, of course, has got to be there are things in there that are even worse than what we've already seen.

Although, as I've said before, not legally, not just my general commentary, which is

Is there anything about this president in his personal and professional behavior that could possibly be revealed that would make me think less of him?

He is already at the bottom of my list, if you will, about people who behave terribly toward other human beings, including women and presumably girls as well.

His financial behavior, his political behavior, his business behavior, everything about him is just absolutely despicable.

Will it really be surprising to anybody if in fact when these files do in fact come out there's more confirmation of his knowledge of his participation in this?

Of course, it's there of course, but just release it and maybe then we can again move on at some point

understanding who our president is, but maybe sort of kind of moving on toward the time when Congress can work on things important to the American population.

But I think it's critically important that people remember after he was first elected, they sent out all of these right-wing influencers out of the White House with binders that said these were the Epstein files because Trump ran on that PAM body, Kashpatel, all the

All those guys, we're gonna release it, we're gonna release it.

They sent those influencers out with these binders and now it's a hoax, it's a democratic

hoax.

The thing with the binders is that the day of, day after those influencers were.

hopping mad to find out that those binders had

no

information in them whatsoever.

And people like Cash Patel made his bones into that office on the backs of the Epstein files.

And I think, Jim, you said something that's very, very important as well is.

the president, the president in concert with the attorney general or the attorney general, correct me if I'm wrong, as you said, consign a document, releasing the files to the American people, but they won't do it.

Congress has to take action to do it.

If the president's attorney general won't do it, which is, if she's not doing it, that's by order of the president.

What does that say about what's in the file if he won't release it?

And the house full of Republicans who want it released are

possibly going to be turning their backs on him for this.

Well, and let's not forget that the White House reached out to Lauren Bovert and one other Republican House member who is on to release those bills, they were trying to get them to flip their bills.

Why, why, why if you are so innocent?

And this has nothing to do with you.

Are you fighting so hard for the American people not to see these files?

Could not be stated more clearly.

There's also I mean in in trials.

I've argued about that I'm getting obstruction cases situations where people are trying to evade the law Why are you doing that?

People don't just get up and say you know what this morning?

I want to have fun with law enforcement You're doing it for a reason right and that is you don't want things disclosed you obstruct you engage in conspiracies to obstruct that's in large part what what

brought down Richard Nixon, right?

And eventually it comes out and it does bring him down when those tapes are revealed because there's substance to them.

Same kind of thing here, much worse here in terms of an overall administration, makes Richard Nixon pale in comparison.

But still, release these materials, let's look at them.

And again, whatever results come, it's too late to prosecute.

This is far beyond the statute of limitations.

But as everyone has said, and you've said it on this show as well, there are victims out there who are still suffering every single day.

For them, it is a small piece of an imperfect restitution.

It's not going to restore major portions of their lives, but give them some sense that the public now knows what they suffered.

There's a legitimate law enforcement, a legitimate governmental

a legitimate public interest in that disclosure for them.

Do that, Mr. President.

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One more note on this.

We keep getting more tidbits about the cushy life that Jelaine Maxwell is spending in club fed.

She has a puppy.

She gets to have visitors.

She has all kinds of special treatment.

This woman was sentenced to 20 years for her role in helping procure girls for Jeffrey Epstein and his buddies.

And it looks like we're getting closer and closer to him giving her a partner, communing her sentence.

something like that.

The puppy is maybe the best illustration of this.

Again, in the many years that I was inside the Department of Justice, working as routinely with corrections officials as well, the Bureau of Prisons, there may be some therapy dogs involved and that's purposeful and good in some settings.

This is not that, but it's an indication of exactly how we're treating her.

The President commutes her sentence, which basically mean not pardoning her, but

from where they are basically be released from prison based upon time served.

or pardoning her entirely, just the latest wild, wild injustice.

And again, a slap in the face beyond that, a kick in the shins for all the victims of what she did so violently.

She should be a maximum security prison for the next 19 years of her life.

And speaking of Jelaine Maxwell, Todd Blanche sat down with her.

He is the Trump attorney who made this deal to move her to a club fed.

All of these emails that we're seeing between her and Jeffrey Epstein, shouldn't he have known about those?

Should

we be

asked about

those?

Right, and asked about them.

That's what a good investigative interviewer does.

It's the reason why, again, as we have said previously, that was a sham that was obviously put together for the purpose of trying to give the president some cover.

And maybe it's a predicate to her getting her sentence commuted or being pardoned outright.

But again, the deputy attorney general

Again, politically attractive, maybe to the White House, but prosecutorial, malpractice, and embarrassing for the second person in control of the Department of Justice to engage in that kind of completely ineffective and non-informative interview.

It's kind of a

bad

of this job.

It's amazing.

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to continue.

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They sell gummies and cupcakes and all those things and seltzers and with another provision that was slipped into the legislation to reopen the government.

They're coming after those.

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Government is reopened.

Snap benefits should start flowing.

Air traffic controllers, hopefully back on the job.

Let's talk a little bit about Katanji Brown Jackson's decision to

Because she got some heat for this

she did right on unjustly also so if I can come to the defense of this wonderful jurist

And again, it's contrary to an awful lot of the knee-jerk reactions we saw last Friday night with the weekend saying, what is she doing?

Is she not in favor of providing 42 million people in America with food and nutrition?

And the answer is yes, she was.

And again, this is one of those times, Jane and Greg, when regrettably in America of 2025, we've got to go down the rabbit hole of legal stuff and civics and understand what she did.

This was coming out of the judge in Rhode Island.

who said, yes indeed, Mr. President, go ahead, release those funds, get this money flowing.

The appeals court there in the first circuit did not have an opportunity.

They touched this briefly, did not have an opportunity to review that.

And what Katanji Brown Jackson did, she is responsible for this because she's assigned responsibility for the first circuit.

which is where Rhode Island is.

What she did is she said, you know what?

I'm going to keep this from going to the rest of the Supreme Court where they would probably stay the entire thing.

I'm going to stay it.

I'm going to prevent this from going forward so that the appeals court can have the opportunity that it should have to review this case to give us a full decision.

And again, come back eventually to the Supreme Court without having the imprimatur of a full court that said, no, no, stop it, which they probably would have done.

And so in a strange twist of procedural history here, what she was actually doing was trying to protect the interests.

Of those people out there who were getting food stamps in the end her prediction sort of came true Happens with breakneck speed even after the court of appeals late sunday does in fact reaffirm the lower court What does the trump administration do they come right back roaring back to the supreme court and saying stop that from happening And again to jump through an awful lot of additional hoops since that time Even after it was clear that the government is going to reopen your department of justice your solicitor general still

going to the Supreme Court and saying, prevent these funds from being released.

They now will be, as you're indicating, Jane and Greg, by virtue of the new appropriation here.

But that is stunning.

And that itself is an indication of how vehemently, strongly this administration did not want to provide food for families in America.

And again, the larger issue here, the smaller issue here is, Tangy Braun Jackson,

was, from my perspective, the hero in this.

She should not be receiving the criticism that she was receiving.

Yeah, the important part here is how hard the Trump administration tried to stop.

Seniors and kids and people who are working.

Farmers and veterinarians from getting SNAP benefits.

They really, really, really didn't want that to happen.

Even in the last pleading filed by the solicitor general, he acknowledges this as well.

If within hours the government is back in session and we're back in operation here, this will all go away.

But until that happens, do not release these funds.

There is your admission.

There is your admission about your policy statement on SNAP.

Well, I'll put on top of that, too, when Tony Evers put together the funding for the food share program in here.

You got a call from them saying, stop doing that.

You just want people to starve.

Well, they wanted people to be hurt.

so that they could make this the Democrats fault and make the Democrats look bad.

They didn't care if people were suffering.

They just wanted the blame to go to the other party.

Well, that 40 days of being shut down didn't really do them any good.

They kept saying Schumer shut down, Democrat, Democrat.

That didn't take off.

All the polling said everyone knew where this was coming from.

Everyone understood.

Well, not everyone.

A majority of Americans knew that this was on the heads of the Republicans who are, after all, in charge of everything.

Three branches of government, right?

And we hate to say it's in charge of the Supreme Court, but they are.

They're in charge there as well.

Yeah, they

pretty much

are.

Very, very quickly, we only got two minutes left.

ProPublica or Politico rather has an article out today about this raid that the ICE did on this building in Chicago.

It was full of trendy Agua gang members.

Bashed in people's doors, they pulled kids out of their beds.

No charges have been filed.

No criminal charges have been filed after that raid.

Do these people have any legal recourse?

They do and it's things called, you know, false arrest, malicious prosecution if there was a prosecution and their violations of constitutional rights is a case, springboard case called Bivens.

Basically says if law enforcement acts badly, violates your rights to privacy, violates other rights you can sue.

Now, whether or not they do that, that's another issue.

It's right.

Exactly.

And the larger point here, Greg is Greg and Jane is just that what's going on here.

This is what the federal district court judge in Northern Illinois is screaming about appropriately.

How are you conducting yourself?

Again, abide by the standards of that work and do it now.

That's the problem.

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If you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter, I want to give a shout out to PJ who was listening on the live stream yesterday and actually brought this up and we didn't have a chance to get to it.

And then I walked in yesterday into Kelly's Greens in Wauwatosa where the owner

Aaron Kelly, who is joining us now, is being interviewed by TMJ4.

I kind of ruined that whole take for them.

Sorry, TMJ4.

Aaron Kelly joins us right now from Kelly's screens.

Good morning, Aaron.

Thanks so much for making time for us.

Good morning, Jane and Greg.

Thanks so much for having me.

Again, this...

Measure to reopen the government and there's a state element to this too, but let's start with the federal portion of this.

In the measure to reopen the government, this includes something that is going to crush your business and many businesses like this around Wisconsin.

And again, you own Kelly's Greens in Wauwatosa.

What do you sell there?

So at Kelly's Greens, we specialize in craft cannabis products.

Everything at our shop is made by me, or a maker that I stand behind, and everything is made in Wisconsin.

So it's made by a maker that I trust.

All of our products are third-party tested, only sold to people over 21 years old, and that's what we've been doing since we started this business five years ago.

Who are your customers, Kelly, other than me?

Turns out people like to feel good and people can't sleep.

Lots of people are looking for alternatives to alcohol.

So our customers are my age and older.

It's certainly a demographic that's looking for help with relief from anxiety and pain and to help sleep.

So it's usually about my age and older.

We do have some younger customers too, but the people that flock to our store are looking for craft cannabis products that are safe.

and made in Wisconsin.

I think that it's safe to say that when we talk about a, you know, the clientele for a dispensary, uh, it's going to cross all lines.

And one of those lines is political people who voted for one way or the other.

Uh, they want to take part in this legally available product that, as you said, can help them.

I mean, not just with, you know, anxiety, sleep problems, pain problems, PTSD.

And I feel like that is something that we see in all the polls over the past few years coming at least from Wisconsin, if not nationwide, that for the most part, most folks are on board with not only what's happening right now in Wisconsin, but taking it a step further to full legalization so they can access even more products.

But this, I don't know about you.

You work in this industry, Aaron.

This story just hit me in the face yesterday.

I'm like, wait.

What?

Where does this come from?

And why?

And when we were talking about it briefly yesterday, I have no idea what's going on.

Can you tell us what's happening at the legislative level with regard to this closing the loophole, as they call it?

Yes, they call it closing the loophole.

I call it the law.

So what happened is essentially in 2018, Mitch McConnell penned a bill that essentially legalized CBD on a federal basis.

And the bill included language that anything derived from the hemp plant, as long as it doesn't exceed the dry weight of THC by 0.3%, it's also legal.

And that's what happens when you have people at the table that write bills that don't understand cannabis.

They essentially

legalized THC from hemp plant.

And when you think about THC from the hemp plant and the THC from the marijuana plant, they're 100% the same.

So what's happened is fast forward, so that became Lawn 2018.

The industry began to boom because just like you said, people here in Wisconsin and across this country demand safe and legal tested cannabis options.

They want it.

They've spoken.

But we're just we're just not making any progress and with the feds.

So what happened is my understanding is Mitch McConnell snuck some language into the budget bill at the last minute.

Mitch McConnell was discussing shutting down

the law with the Farm Bill back in August in the Agriculture Appropriations Committee, which seems appropriate.

That's the bill that where it was created, it should be discussed and negotiated there.

But instead of that happening when Mitch McGonnell got shut down by Rand Paul in August, somehow there most have been a plan for him to sneak this language into the budget bill.

So it was snuck in at the last minute.

And it's just, it's sad and gross.

Here we are in a government shutdown and we aren't able to get SNAP benefits and benefits that people need without prohibiting hemp in this country.

And you said something very interesting in your interview with TMJ4.

And we'll put that article in the show notes.

Prohibition never works and we have a 13 year example in this country from 1920 to 1933 where they made alcohol legal and magic I mean weirdly weirdly people didn't just stop drinking all of a sudden and alcohol just it made things worth people are going to access these products

whether it's legal or not, but really what they're going to do now is they're going to get in their car, they're going to drive to Illinois or to Michigan and give them their tax dollars.

That's what's going to happen and it's going to put someone like you completely out of business.

With by the way, I must say, little regard or caring from certain state lawmakers, which we will talk about in a little bit, but that it has devastating effects on you and everyone in your industry.

And it's sort of like, well, if we get rid of it, it'll be fine, it'll be gone.

And that's how it works, right, Aaron?

When they make it illegal, it just goes away.

I mean, that's the biggest concern, right?

So yes, it'll impact businesses, but it will have an impact on our community.

People in our neighborhood have come to rely on these products and trust our products.

And we are going to drive these perimenopausal women in my neighborhood that are relying on sleep gummies and CBD to buy drugs on the street.

That's what we're talking about.

It makes no sense.

It really doesn't.

Why, again, why wouldn't Mitch McConnell reverse himself on his own measure?

If you're just joining us, by the way, on Matt and Aaron here, we are joined by Erin Kelly.

She owns Kelly's Greens, Cannabis Boutique and Cafe in Wauwatosa.

And we're talking about a hemp measure that was slipped into the bill to reopen the government, which will essentially put Erin and other outlets like her out of business.

And there is a state element to this, which we'll get to in a second, Erin.

Why would Mitch McConnell reverse himself?

He is

the one who made hemp available.

Did he get a donation from a particular lobbying group that may not want hemp to succeed?

That seems to be what we're hearing on the inside chatter of the cannabis industry, is that politicians are being bought and paid for and they're making laws and prohibiting products.

Because it personally will benefit them and they don't care about what the residents of Wisconsin or this country want

that would be shocking

I mean totally a character for those individuals to flip-flop on because money so yeah, and I just also want to put forth just we talk about this a lot and I'm sure that you hear this to Aaron from politicians who

want to pet you on the back for being a small business owner because Aaron, you are the backbone of this community, this society.

But guess what?

I got more money from this group.

So too bad.

So sad.

Why don't you just start a regular coffee shop?

I'm going to go do something else.

It's going back to the callousness of it all, not even taking in consideration that in 2018, they allowed an entire industry to start people to open businesses.

And now they're just going to switch it and say, no, not a good idea.

We're good.

Right.

The interview on TMJ for the representative here right in the state of Wisconsin, who I just sat in front of in Madison last week said, well, these business owners should have known.

They should have known that they were going into this business that wasn't going to risk, that was going to be a risk.

And it's just, I challenged that.

You put a lot into order seven years ago.

And if this truly was a loophole, then it should have been fixed in 30 days, not seven years.

No kidding.

So he had a problem with this seven years ago and did nothing about it and then waiting until all these businesses started and now it's a problem.

Ironically, Mitch McConnell penned the Farm Bill in 2018.

Seven years later, it seems as though he's got some interest from some from bourbon companies that don't necessarily appreciate hemp-derived products being sold across the country and watching alcohol profits decline.

So

it

begs the question, you know, how involved are big alcohol and pharma here?

Well, and that's the thing that has always baffled me.

And we had Dan Schaefer.

He's our political editor here at Civic Media.

And he, you know, when it comes to the, and this is a very side, side quest here, the notion of full legalization of marijuana, everyone always say that it's the Tavern League.

And he called the Tavern League and they said, we actually don't lobby on that.

But on behalf of what's happening right now, I don't know how and if they have any involvement, but it just seems ridiculous to me that.

Like, I know people who smoke weed, I know people who use products, get high, whether it's edibles or smoke weed, I know people who drink.

That, those Venn, that Venn diagram does cross.

But the full legalization doesn't mean my friends will be like, well, I don't want beer anymore.

It's, I don't know.

Aaron, is there any studies out there that you've seen that shows the decimation of the alcohol industry state by state that says, when we becomes legal, I mean, all the bars close.

Everyone quit drinking.

They just get on the marijuana, and that's it.

I mean, it seems like a really poor reason.

I agree.

A completely poor reason.

And no, I haven't happened to see anything like that.

But interestingly enough, this morning, I just read an article that showed when states legalized marijuana.

the percentage of young people using marijuana decreases.

And so it's count in point, you know, like it's just crazy.

Isn't

that cool anymore,

man?

Well, and again, the Wisconsin lawmaker who wants this to happen on the state level, their whole thing is it's about protecting our children, save the children, protect our children.

We can't have our children exposed to this.

At the same time, my question to him would be,

So if you're so worried about protecting our children, then I assume that you are putting pressure on your fellow Republicans on the federal level to release the Epstein files.

And I'm sure you're also pushing for stricter gun laws, gun safety measures to protect our children.

Yeah.

I'm assuming that's not happening

from him.

I just know.

And so the the the the person that we keep on referring to is Jim people.

Pivo Varchek, that's a name.

That's a real name.

Pivo Varchek, he is a representative here in Wisconsin, and he is the one.

And actually, when we come back after we get some snacks and some water, I've got the clip ready to go to give his reasoning.

And we can talk about that further because you're right.

You're absolutely right.

It's a very flimsy reason why he's so concerned.

And also, again, the callous nature with which he approaches the entire thing is to say, not my problem.

So, yeah.

And I will have information for all of you on how to get a hold of that representative too.

Because we can call them.

I've got phone numbers and emails.

You can call Mr. Piva Jim and let him know what your thoughts on this matter are.

Because as we said before, this is a topic that crosses gender lines, age lines, color lines, religious lines.

political lines.

Shockingly, he works for us.

It's just a crazy thing like that.

We're going to continue talking with Aaron Kelly from Kelly's Greens, Cannabis Boutique and Cafe.

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We are joined by Erin Kelly.

She's the owner of Kelly's Greens Cannabis Boutique and Cafe in Wauwatosa talking about a measure that got slipped in.

to the measure to reopen the government, which will essentially outlaw cannabis products, THC products of .3%.

They want to change it to .000, zip percent.

It'll mount to nothing.

We wanted to find out if you use these types of products and why you do.

855-752-4842.

Brett from Brown Deer joining us on the line.

Good morning, Brett.

Do you use cannabis-related products?

Oh, you betcha.

I smoke weed every day.

And I'll tell you why.

Due to the end of my military career, I was medically discharged.

I have

chronic back pain.

And for the last 18 months of my career, the military just pumped me full of perks and sets.

Yep.

I mean, I was getting as many as 60 a week.

And I know, and it just masked the pain.

It never did anything for my body, for my back.

And once I left the military, buddy, mine said, hey, to smoke some weed.

And I bought weed and I've never looked back.

I don't care if it's illegal.

I got my life back.

I don't have to lay on the floor at night to sleep, you know?

And it's, hey, it makes me happy and diggle.

Oh, I'm really hurting someone.

And by the way, I never really liked alcohol that much.

But the only time I'll ever drink a beer is if I smoked a little weed and I feel like, you know, other than that, I never drink beer.

Yeah.

Thank you, Brett.

Really appreciate you checking in on this.

I'm gonna share this just because

we

talked about it briefly.

I stopped drinking last year.

I stopped drinking on December 27th, essentially.

And so I have been going to Kelly's Greens since then.

I drink the Celsius that you sell.

And like I told the guy from TMJ4 when I interrupted his interview with you yesterday when I walked in, for me, it takes the edge off, the Celsius take the edge off, but what they don't do

that alcohol did.

Alcohol made me very, very confident when I should not have been.

Oh,

so you're a man.

You're becoming a man.

That's what I live with every day, baby.

Did I earn anything?

No.

But do I go for it?

Absolutely.

But that has been my experience.

Again, it takes the edge off.

It helps me relax, but I don't feel discombobulated.

It doesn't make me

feel, you know, like I, it's a different sensation and it's less severe.

And for me, it's less detrimental than alcohol.

You must

hear that a lot,

Kelly or Aaron.

I do, I do.

There is a massive population that is choosing less alcohol.

You know, I grew up in a time where if you weren't getting drunk and laying in a field as a teenager, what were you even doing?

Yeah,

yeah.

And now, you know, the game has changed, you know, people are waking up and realizing that alcohol certainly has a place.

Don't get me wrong.

But there are alternatives that can that you can still relax, have your shoulders come down, love yourself more, hate people less, and sleep good.

And that wake up in the morning and feel

awful.

Like death.

I pushed the limits of some Irish American alcoholism for years.

And now I choose solely cannabis products because it's better for my mental health.

It's better for my anxiety.

And it makes me feel good.

And that's not a crime.

And I want to go back and talk about and we're not going to have time to play.

That's fine.

But I want to talk about Representative Jim Pivovarchek.

I got it.

He is the representative of district 98, which is Hubertus, that area of Wisconsin.

He has a bill right now that has to do with the definition of hemp.

And in that interview that you did, they also hooked him in there talking about the fact that using that thing of the children, I want to go back to the children on this one and the fact that it's accessible.

But as we know, you have to be 21 years old to buy these products like alcohol.

I think in Wisconsin certain cigarettes you have to be 21 and 18 like they are they are absolutely regulated regulated and

It's not like some 12 year olds walking into your shop and saying, give me a packet of this and you're going to do that.

He's trying to create this false scenario that it's a reefer madness type of situation.

Kids are running around with CBD products, getting high and running around Heart Park and Tosa.

It's not the case.

This is a regulated product like tobacco, like alcohol.

And if he's that serious about this, then he should have the same sense of duty towards kids regarding all the other problems out there.

And he doesn't.

He's trying to scare us.

Correct.

I mean, if we really wanted to protect kids, we would keep hemp drive products away from the Tavern League.

Why would we pass a cannabis product to the Tavern League that has done a poor job of monitoring DUIs, has promoted underage drinking?

If we really wanted to protect kids, we would keep cannabis safe from the Tavern League for their own gross profit.

And I'm going to encourage you to go to our show notes today and give his office a call or send him an email.

His number is 608-237-9198.

I'll put that all in the show notes.

Call his office.

Tell him that if you use these products or if you support the access that this is going to harm the people and our businesses.

Not to mention job losses.

We're not even going to have a chance to talk about that.

The people you employ, Erin, and there are outlets all over the state that are employing.

all kinds of Wisconsinites.

Erin Kelly owns Kelly's Greens, Cannabis, Boutique and Cafe in Wauwatosa.

Thank you so much, Erin, for joining us.

Really, really appreciated.

Thank you so much for having me.

Much appreciated.

Take care.

We have news coming up next.

When we return, we'll talk all things sports with Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Sports Guru J. R. Radcliffe.

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Yeah, it was not a good game for the Green Bay Packers, JR.

Definitely

not.

However, I'm willing to make that concession if I can listen to more from fuels untitled debut album, including the song Bad Day that was just playing just there.

Hey, JR, this isn't the flex you think it is.

You would kill

it.

I forgot you don't want to see this

body flexing.

I just I just want to listen to more more More late 90s alternative rock, baby, then I will

take you to a county fair next summer

I Know you're right.

I know you're right.

Those are my people now.

Those are my people now

No shame in that no shame

in no shame.

No great great food a lot of deep-fried and a lot of rock and roll from my generation.

That's quite nice No crowds I

The Packers, what are we going to do about that team?

They are in a rut, and unfortunately, very much on the cusp of falling completely out of the playoff picture.

You know, as we wake up today, they are the number seven seed in the NFC.

It was literally last week when they were number one in the NFC.

Wow.

But things are

really tightly packed.

They lost to carolina.

That was that was a pretty bad one I think like in a grand scheme you can you can understand a a one-score loss to the philadelphia eagles the reigning super bowl champions But the manner in which they did it the the pace with which they play the the inability to generate offense at all Despite another great performance from the defense.

I mean this is a trend now They've they've had a lot of games where they just don't click offensively They even in wins have not looked very good on that side of the ball and it is cost them and it is

caused a lot of people to wonder if Matt LaFleur is the guy to lead the team into the future.

I didn't think we would get there quite this quickly with Matt LaFleur, especially after the Packers started out 2-0 and looked really good through the first two weeks, but they're in a little bit of danger here.

They've got a very tough portion of their schedule coming up.

They are backed into what is essentially a must win this weekend against the New York Giants, which is the only team on the schedule that I think you could safely say is a game they should win unquestionably should win.

And without that, you know, if they lose this game, I don't, I think the calls for Matt LaFleur's job are going to get very, very loud.

I think

they're loud already.

But at that point you have to.

I mean, at that point, you have to confront that they're just not a football.

They're not a playoff team.

And how did that happen when they seemingly went all in with the Michael Parsons trade before the season?

They thought they were a playoff team.

So what in the world went wrong?

And I think a lot of people are wondering what is going wrong on the offensive side of the football.

And I'm looking at the schedule, and between you and Paul Noonan, I'm looking at games here that the Browns and the Cowboys, and I feel like it was the Panthers as well.

We're all games that were said, well, they have this.

This is, this is, this is going to be an easy win in the, you know, they, they should have the win therefore.

And we're, we look at losses and a tie.

And my question is when the rest of the season, not withstanding what do the Packers need to do for the rest of the season to keep themselves in contention for the playoffs and Matt LaFleur keeping a job.

Yeah, part of it's out of their hands because it relies on health a little bit.

They have to get their receivers healthy.

Not having Tucker Kraft is a monumental loss.

And I think you saw it against the Eagles.

It wasn't lost on anybody when he left with a torn ACL against the Panthers.

And not having him, you know, in my opinion, it might be pessimistic, but I think without him, they cannot win a Super Bowl.

I think they went from 18 that could to a team that cannot because they lost Tucker Kraft.

That might be overstating it.

football's 22 men on a, you know, 22 man game.

It's not something that you can, you can write off to one player, but they relied so much on him and they have to figure that out.

They have to figure out how to, how to offset that.

They run the football so much and it is kind of, it kind of has become their bread and butter.

It's not working this year.

It isn't working as smoothly as it did last year and they move so slowly that they're not giving themselves enough chances to take advantage of the passing game.

They're also just not throwing the football.

They become this notorious team on second down where they run the football almost exclusively and it isn't effective and it puts them behind the eight ball.

They're ending up facing third and seven, third and eight.

And Jordan Love is, you know, he's still, he's still good.

I think stats will back that up that he is a very capable quarterback.

It's either a matter of him just taking over and, I don't know, changing the plays like Aaron Rodgers did and get out of some of these running situations and play calls or, you know, I, or Matt LaFleur just giving him the keys, you know, letting him actually make some more of these.

these throws down the field because we know he's good at those.

And I don't know, you know, the receivers are very unhealthy.

Matthew Golden didn't play.

Christian Watson has been hurt.

Jaden Reed is out.

Romeo Dobbs has been dinged up.

Like they have been missing guys from time to time, and that is really hurting the passing game.

But if that doesn't improve, it's ballgame.

Like they've got a good defense.

They've got a championship caliber defense.

Their offensive line hasn't been good enough.

their pass catchers need to be better, and the overall offense just, they have to score points,

they have to score more.

That's the whole thing about, yes, the whole points thing.

If you're just joining us on Matt and Aaron here, JR Radcliffe from the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinels here, we're talking about the Packers.

Calvin, you had a question.

Well, I guess there's just more of a comment.

The Packers, I know, are banged up.

That does not help them on offense.

But I think part of what's emblematic about how it kind of

boils down to it being Matt LaFleur at the end of the day is play calls like a Shotgun run on fourth and one Like what are we doing?

And then there's instances where you can hear on tape of defensive players in short yardage situations calling out what run play we are gonna run and then we do like It has to fall in Matt LaFleur's lap to be more creative and more effective

Yeah, I think in that specific case what you're talking about is a key fourth in one play where they snapped it out of the shotgun Handed the ball to Josh Jacobs got blown up immediately and you can hear the Eagles players saying inside zone run that they know it's coming and and that one play I think in that case is on Jordan Love he my understanding and this is a little deeper than maybe my knowledge goes but It seemed like maybe he called the same audible that he had called earlier in the game

Eagle sniffed it out very quickly, and I don't know why nobody called time out or couldn't assess that something horrible was about to happen.

But for whatever reason, they ran the play and it ended very badly in a very costly situation.

I do think, you know, Jordan Love does share some of this because, you know, he is the guy who's running the offense and the offense isn't running well.

So some of that does fall on him.

But I do think play calling has absolutely come under the microscope here with Matt LaFleur.

That's his job.

That's what he was, you know, ostensibly brought here to do.

And it seems like he has gotten more conservative over the last few years.

He's just become, you know, that he once famously said, all gas, no break.

That became kind of a meme for a while.

That's not who he is.

You know, he's a guy who likes to limit the number of possessions, utilize the running game over and over and over again, try to control the clock, react to what the defense is giving you.

And Paul Newman will say this too, the defense is want the Packers to run the ball.

It's just not as efficient.

And so if they are backed out, you know, give them a soft front and second down.

Packers are going to run against that.

They're reacting to the defense and the Eagles will just sniff that out and easily, you know, stop it for, you know, three yards, but still not enough to really move the chains and keep things moving.

So at some point, the offense has to get, get aggressive, take the reins and be like, we're not going to react.

We're going to do what we do well.

And we're going to live and die with that and move the football.

And these better teams, like the Vikings defense Vikings are coming up in a couple of weeks, that defense will crush the back, the Packers that you saw against the Eagles.

That team is not going to move the ball against Minnesota.

So they have to do some things differently.

It just doesn't make sense to me that if the run game is not working, why keep doing it?

That's, that's, that's more of a rhetorical.

It just does.

I am, as you know, I'm not a football fanatic, but I appreciate logic.

And as you and Paul have both said in, in this past season, when you give Jordan love the ball to throw, he can do it.

So why not exploit that option more often if anything just to throw off the the posing team But if he can throw 300 yards or 250 yards a game then give him the ball Let him run it down the field and at least try that because what you're doing right now It seems like you're banging your head against the wall and then going I don't know why we're losing

One of the defenses to continuing to run if you're not having success is it sets up play action, which is this play where you fake the handoff to the running back, step back and then throw it down the field.

The former Packers teams under Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve used play action to perfection.

That was a key element of their offense.

And if you're going to use that and have it be effective, it was effective at the couple of times they used it against Philadelphia, but they're not going to that well either.

They're not saying, okay, you think we're going to run it every time.

So we're going to pretend like we're going to run it and throw it down the field.

No, they're just running it again.

So that part doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when they do have success with play action, with some of these other wrinkles.

I don't, you know, I'm not a play caller.

I don't, I can't speak to knowing the exact answer there, but it does seem like it's broken through where Matt LaFleur is in a situation where he has to change something or he's going to be coaching for his job.

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel JR Radcliffe is here to talk all things sports.

JR has a NFL coach ever resigned or do they all just hang around and wait to get fired?

I'm just curious because I feel badly for Matt LeFleur.

I would hate to see him get tossed out.

I guess I would rather see him resign with some graciousness and get out of the way because he had a great start.

I hate to see it come to an end like this for him.

And

I'm not saying that it will come to an end.

I mean, he still has a great track record You cannot deny his wins and losses So they better be sure if they're gonna move on from him and certainly don't think it'd be during the season it'd be maybe after but I You better be sure you better be sure that you can find somebody better who's who's stronger at the things you want to be strong at because Matt LaFleur has a great track record I don't know why things have sort of devolved But he's he's he's still very he's not a he's not a stupid man.

He's a

very smart coach.

He has had some success

You know, yes, the resignations have happened.

I think what you see more of is, is guys just like conveniently taking a job somewhere else.

College money is more than it used to be.

Maybe, maybe you'll see more NFL coaches not saying this is LaFleur situation, but maybe more NFL coaches will say, Hey, the money is pretty good in college right now.

Can do that.

Maybe we just go that way and it's mutually beneficial for both sides.

I can see that happening.

But in the time we've got left, let's talk about the bucks.

Do you want to?

Are you sure?

Yikes.

Yikes.

Do you want

to play Bad Day by Fuel again?

I like that.

You know, they're okay.

They're in a major injury holding pattern right now.

Yannis did not play on Wednesday night.

They lost to the Charlotte Hornets.

A team that is not very good, but does have a Wisconsin Lutheran High School alumnus, Con Canipple leading the way.

So that's fun, I guess.

They play the Hornets again tomorrow night.

That will be at home.

It will be an NBA Cup game.

I fully expect Yanis will play and it will be a very different looking game.

And I bet the Bucks win handily.

Right now the Bucks are kind of treading water.

They lost Kevin Porter in the first game of the season.

Tori and Prince is now out for an extended period of time.

Yanis has missed a couple of games.

AJ Green left the game last night.

They are struggling to stay healthy.

And that's really, really killing them because they didn't have a lot of room for error anyway.

They've got Yanis and kind of a bunch of guys that are supposedly, you know, that are

built to work with Giannis.

So if those guys go out, it doesn't take long before you start seeing guys who are kind of at the end of the bench.

And they're, I think they're probably okay.

I think they're fine, but they've lost a couple of games and then barely got past Dallas Monday night when the Packers were struggling against the Eagles.

Dallas is not a good team at all this year.

They just fired their GM.

So like barely winning is kind of akin to what you've seen.

They're kind of just scratching by barely getting through it.

I think the bucks are okay.

They showed really well at the beginning of the season.

And I think when they get healthy, they'll be, they'll be pretty solid.

But, you know, it's definitely not great all the way around for what you've seen from the box.

And I just want to say this real quick.

Congratulations, Pat Murphy, two years in a row and a manager of the year pocket

pancakes.

I wonder how he feels about, he'll be the pancake guy, I think forever.

Okay.

One year contain.

I think he's the pancake guy now.

I don't know if he knew that was going to be on his, uh, in his career, career obituary when, uh, when he, when he pulled those out of his back pocket, but that's, that's where we're at.

Congratulations to him.

Indeed.

It's going to be

with him now forever.

You can follow JR Radcliffe in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

He joins us every other Thursday to talk all things sports.

Thanks so much, JR.

We'll see you in a couple.

See you guys soon.

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Also, Aaron Kelly from Kelly's Greens, which is a cannabis cafe in Wauwatosa, slipped into the measure to reopen the government was something that will essentially kill businesses like Aaron Kelly's in Wauwatosa.

If you are a cannabis user, if you use THC products,

And this is of concern to you.

I would encourage you to go back and listen to it.

Listen to it.

Go to the show notes.

Look up Jim Piva Varchek's information.

You give him a call, send him an email.

If you live in Madison, you can hear us go to the office there at the go at the at the Capitol because this will essentially devastate a sector of private business and people will lose jobs and customers will lose the ability to take care of themselves the way they should be able to privately.

Utilizing legal measures and in my opinion Jim Piva part Piva part check

Jim

P

will come

Jimmy Jimmy is using old-school scare tactics To try to push his his bill and it's it shouldn't work.

Tell them what you think give him a call write him a letter

Do it

now.

You can always listen to old episodes if you miss anything, because we know you have a life.

Go to civicmedia.us, click on shows at the very top, go to matinee on air, hit that, and that will take you to our show page, and we've got at least two months of prior shows.

Greg does a really good job of putting the show notes together so you know who the guests were and what the topics were and related articles and all such things.

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Calvin found this one from CBC Canada.

Headline reads, man who took Hamilton bus on joyride,

did a great job driving, left no dings,

say police.

And just to be clear, this is Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, not a Hamilton fan tour bus, which I don't know where in Canada it would go to, but hey, who doesn't love musical theater?

Exactly.

36

year old of no fixed address.

Where is that?

That's it's no fixed address.

Let passengers on and off at bus stops.

A man in a Hamilton city bus

Took a joy ride on Tuesday with passengers still on board around nine o'clock at night a bus driver had parked at the terminal They take little breaks while he was gone on his break a 36 year old man boarded the bus sat down in the driver's seat and drove away When asked for comment the bus driver said he just yelled I got this route and he took off the bus was an extra long Articulated bus we've all seen those.

They're huge terrifying

He did make several stops along the way, allowing passengers to get on and off at bus stops.

At roughly any time, there were about 10 people on board the bus, says police officer McKenna.

There was not a ding on the bus.

He did a great job.

It's comical, but at the same time, it's serious.

We're thankful no one was hurt.

At first, some passengers

didn't realize he wasn't actually a bus driver.

But when he started making some wrong turns, they started asking him questions about where he was going.

One actually had to direct him back to get him on the right route.

And

it's Canada, so everyone was so polite.

Very, very polite.

I'm gonna be a little late, but that's okay.

Yeah, I'm just gonna get where I need to go.

He even went so far as to deny someone boarding who had an expired bus pass.

So he was

following the law.

I mean, okay, look, Jane.

We've all heard the conundrum.

How am I gonna get a job with no experience?

How do I get experience without a job?

So really what this gentleman of no fixed address has done is started to craft a beautiful resume There's notes.

We can work on it.

We can we can grow we can turn him into an a number one bus driver in Hamilton, Ontario

Apparently police were strategically following the bus.

They never put the lights on because they didn't want to spook him

when the bus finally stopped about 15 minutes later, and they said he parked just fine.

And the man was taken into custody without incident.

He's been charged with theft over $5,000, possession over $5,000, obstructing officers and driving while prohibited.

I love this story.

I just kind of love it.

I just love that he had no dings and he did a really good job and he parked it well.

And usually you see those not-in-service or training buses, they're training on the regular bus to go from zero to the extended with that big, that accordion thing in the middle that just, oh my goodness, hire him today.

He should be a bus driver apparently.

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Lots of things going on in the world of the law and the Trump administration.

And wow, it just again, it's a fire hose every day.

Trying to narrow down what we're going to talk about in hour number two.

And I want to thank listener PJ because he brought this up on the live stream yesterday.

We did not have a chance to talk about it in the bill that.

was just passed to reopen the government.

Here's a little provision.

They slipped in there about hemp and hemp related products.

And there is also something happening on the state level regarding hemp sales in Wisconsin.

And we're talking about gummies.

Lots of things, lots of people use, including me.

There's gummies, there's sodas, there's... Seltzers.

Seltzers, candies, the whole thing.

I mean, it is a wide array of products you can purchase that.

One, utilize hemp.

And two, have real, real positive effects for people's, you know, ailments, pain, mental illness struggles.

Lots of sleeping.