It’s The Greatest Economy Ever, Trust Me (Hour 1)

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and the terror of situation.

This week is very interesting.

It has been.

It is, I feel like this is going to be a week we're going to be talking about for maybe the next year in some change.

Lots, lots going on.

Yeah.

Lots going on.

So Jim Santel joining us after 9 30.

In hour number two, we'll lighten things up for Audio Sorbet after the 10.30 news.

We'll talk all things sports, balls, the acne packing companies.

Paul Noonan will be here and we'll wrap up the show as we always do.

With this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it is the Cat Burglar edition.

So stick around for that.

Couple of breaking news items as we come on the air this morning.

Nancy Pelosi.

The California Democratic Representative, the first woman ever to serve as Speaker of the House, has announced she will retire from Congress.

Two years after stepping down from House leadership, she is now Speaker Emeritus.

Yes, Speaker Emerita.

Speaker

Emerita.

I had to look that up and there's like special requirements you have to serve for more than two terms.

You have to have stepped down.

There's a whole host of things, but she is Speaker.

Ameritaz.

So we'll talk a little bit more about Nancy Pelosi and Nancy Pelosi's legacy at the top of next hour.

The other breaking news that we want to start with, this is from CBS News.

Layoffs soared in October to their highest for the month in 22 years.

22 years.

Employers have announced

early 1.1 million job cuts this year.

The most through October since 2020 when the pandemic hit and everything had to shut down.

Yeah.

And what I said earlier, like a minute or two ago about this being, I feel like this is a week we should like mark on the calendar because I've, because between the election, which we're going to

talk more about today and we'll be talking more about in the coming weeks and the years and forever.

But this week with the elections being so decisive on and I know I, I, I, I, I hesitate to call it a blue wave.

I don't like that term because it's, it's, it's overused.

I think what it was was a, a, an overwhelming message from the voters of this country that certain viewpoints, certain.

you know, the mega movement isn't as beloved as we are made to think by the like whether speaker of the house, whether it's the president, whether it's Caroline Levitt.

My short version of this is that what we've seen through elections and I think what hopefully people will see from the job numbers is that this is the wrong direction.

I don't want to, I honestly don't want to say conservative.

I don't want to say liberal.

I don't want to say this or that.

I just want to say,

the message that we need to be crafting and pushing forward is a message that is actually pro-democracy, pro-business for all, not billionaires, but like small business, I think that you saw candidates come out, give messages of hope and uniting and America and all the good things, all those good things, and the way people hooked onto that and voted for them and voted against authoritarianism or people who cozy up with authoritarianism.

I'm hoping that I hope that those who may be on the fence of what this country is about with regard to MAGA as we've spoken up about before.

We'll do some really heavy duty thinking this week, but also just these jobs numbers too.

You can't, you can't spin these job numbers into something great.

That this is a good

thing.

You can't say that this is the greatest economy ever when we're consistently losing jobs.

Andy Challenger, a workplace expert and chief revenue officer for Challenger Gray and Christmas said that October's pace of job cutting was much higher than average for the month.

Some industries are correcting after the hiring boom of the pandemic, but this comes as AI adoption, softening consumer and corporate spending and rising costs, drive belt tightening and hiring freezes.

And I think the vote on Tuesday, the results of the Tuesday election, are also an indication that the Trump administration

and the president himself going out there on a daily basis saying groceries are down is not resonating.

People have their own lived experience when they go to the grocery store.

Groceries are not down.

And I also want someone to ask our president why he is so enamored with that word.

He says groceries is an old fashioned word.

Like he's never, what else do we call them?

a sack of stuff.

I guess.

I just, I find that really

interesting.

So that's where I will pose the question or challenge.

I mean, this time last year we were in a deep funk.

This time last year we found out that President Trump had been reelected or sent to, I should say, yeah, reelected.

But one of the things we discussed in the months prior to the election was the fact that on paper,

from a technical standpoint, the economy was in good shape.

The stock market was growing, the jobs were growing, job numbers were good.

All the economic indicators that show a positive growing economy were there.

And we had talked about it a lot.

One of the things, and I'm going to put this on me, is I did not pay a lot of attention to, I shouldn't unsay, pay attention to, I didn't say on the air was that,

The kitchen table economy was a different discussion and we kept hearing about egg prices.

We kept hearing about grocery prices.

We kept hearing about which were all valid, which were all valid.

And we had a growing economy that was that was supported by the numbers.

And yet people didn't believe that choosing to look at their own economy, their personal economy as to why they may made the choice they did at the ballot box this time last year.

My question is now we look at it again, grocery prices are still not going down.

gas prices are fluctuating like it was it was 240 something last week it's 299 where I live yeah and energy prices are also not going down energy prices are not going down and they're not going to go down and then on top of that the stock market's always going to do it's always going to correct itself it's always going to adapt but we are seeing the economic indicators of a bad economy so will you make the choice to say all right

with all those personal economic things and with the national economy, where do you stand?

Can you keep listening to the president saying it's a great economy and believe him?

And if so, why?

Well, and again,

he says it now almost every day.

Groceries are down.

Groceries are not down.

No, they're not.

No matter how many times you say that out loud, that does not make it so.

I'm sorry, you're not Captain Picard.

Nice reference.

I mean, and it's very true.

And you can't get any keeps saying he also keeps saying this is the greatest economy in the history of

history.

I need to understand who are you basing that against Rome, Greece?

Genghis Khan, I have to understand where your comparisons come from.

The Genghis economy was really something.

He conquered

a lot.

Yeah,

he got a

lot done.

But that's my, the other thing is like, is like last year we had a good, we had a good growing economy, but people didn't want to believe it because of their personal lives.

I understand that.

But now we have an economy that's down turning pretty hard, pretty hard.

And we are getting that from independent, like there are all sorts of individuals saying that this economy is not going well for Americans right now.

On top of that, your kitchen table economy is still not great.

So now I ask you, how much longer can you listen to a president completely lie to our faces about these issues that he, one, knows nothing about?

He knows nothing about.

He really doesn't.

And two, continually puts a strain on you and your family.

Well, and essentially, and we'll talk more about this with Jim Santel when he joins us, but...

The Trump administration lawyer yesterday in addressing the Supreme Court, essentially admitted that tariffs are taxes on the American people.

We heard Scott Bassent say he had to make that a no.

They have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a point that a lot of people already know, or if they didn't know, they're explained the information, they go, oh, that makes sense.

You as a taxpayer.

pay for the tariffs.

We all pay for the tariffs.

Yes,

we

do.

Period.

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If you'd like to check in on this, Cindy from Appleton is on the line.

Good morning, Cindy.

What did you want to say about this?

Well, you're right.

The economy was humming.

We had great numbers before this moron who's not in charge got elected.

But the thing that bothers me is that he is really taking us down quickly.

I just wonder if there's any statistics that show how fast the economy has crashed since the president took office over the history because...

It's going down and it's going down fast, just like the Titanic.

Yeah, I guess one thing that has surprised me, Cindy, and thank you for checking in with us.

One thing has surprised me is the speed with which they have implemented a large part of Project 2025.

That's happened really quickly.

And

I

did not expect this much to have gotten done.

this soon in his second term.

I've heard anywhere between 30 to 40 percent have been implemented by this point.

And yeah, we're not even a full year into his first term of his second administration.

And really, I don't want to do, I told you so, but we talked about it over and over and over again.

But again,

Sometimes the people are busy people are living their lives.

They're worrying about what's happening to their families So a 900 page document can maybe sometimes fly over people's head or they want to chalk up to And and and also even from the purest of hearts it's America that won't happen here.

We're tougher than that But he wants to do those things, but he has he is in his first term

He surrounded himself with quote experts and all the best

people

but really like when you think about the people he surrounded himself with he surrounded himself with guardrails He didn't know he was doing that but he surround himself with business experts and those business experts said you can't do these things and they all left now it is sick offense Yes, men and people who will do anything to implement their way of law their way of living in this country

up to and including getting that guy in charge again, who doesn't care about the policies, he wants the adulation.

And adulation is coming from good or bad.

All press is good press to him.

It doesn't matter if they love him or hate him.

He's standing on the White House lawn, thumbs up saying the economy is great, even though all the experts are saying

What economy are you looking at?

And Ronnie

from

Oracle just texted in listening on WAK.

Don't forget, you also need ID to buy groceries, according to the president.

He said that yesterday, that you need ID when you go to the grocery store and you need ID when you go to get gas.

I didn't realize that.

I just gasped up the other day and they didn't ask me for my ID.

I did get IDed recently though when I bought some beer and that felt really nice.

Did you say thank you?

I was like, oh, you think I'm pretty?

But yeah, I mean, but that's, but,

And that's the really harmful thing too, Jane, is that he says those things and then the media outlets that worship him, then say it more and more and use it as points of argument over and over and over until some people who don't know better going, wait.

I heard you did need your ID to grow stronger.

Someone told me that you needed an ID.

When did that happen?

And then you have to say, that was never a thing.

That's why

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Starting off the show, we talked about some breaking news layoffs across the U.S.

sword last month.

to over 153,000.

That is the worst October for job cuts in 22 years.

Employers have announced 1.1 million job cuts this year, the most through October of 2020, when the pandemic sent the unemployment numbers skyrocketing.

So we're talking about jobs and prices.

Donald Trump, of course, yesterday announced

Great news, Walmart just announced prices for Thanksgiving dinner down 25%.

Oh, we did it, everybody.

We did it since under sleepy Crooked Joe Biden at 2024.

Affordability says Donald Trump is a Republican stronghold.

One little caveat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The 2025 Walmart Thanksgiving meal has 15 items.

The 2024 meal

had 21 items.

Oh, you still get great quality items to the

high quality brand name.

Almost all the brand names from last year have been replaced with generics.

Oh.

So there is a little bit of a little switching out there.

Details, details, great.

Details matter.

It's all in the details.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Brandon on the live stream said don't forget when we're talking about the culture wars.

Yep, I'll take that done.

Don't forget the the the role that culture wars played in the election Yeah, which is an important thing to remember

well, it's always

and it was all the demonizing in the others the others and the others and Haitian immigrants and all immigrants and trans people and drag queens

I think if you if you take all the

Immigrants in this country whether they're here documented or undocumented put them together with all the trans people in this country and you put them together with You know anyone else they they wanted to other throughout last year They still don't equal the amount of people who are affecting our Taxes going up and being given directly to the billionaires.

I don't I don't know many trans people who are who are making money off of my tax dollars I don't know and a Haitian immigrants who are you know

reworking legislation so they can get forever tax cuts.

We've talked about this before over and over again.

They want us to dislike each other.

They want us to not trust each other when really, when it comes down to us, most of us as Americans and most of us who live in this country are in the same boat, essentially.

This is not about, and I don't even want to say us versus them.

This is just,

The people that the people that you've been taught to fear the people you've been taught to not trust are going through the same thing you

are for the most part The vast majority of us are much closer to needing food stamps than we are close to being billionaires.

Yes We're much much closer to one medical crisis or one Catastrophe from bankruptcy.

Yeah, we're much closer to that than being ultra wealthy

Yeah, the moment they made it about citizenship and about race and about religion, and the moment they made that happen, the moment they made us dislike each other and distrust each other on those measures,

That's how they are winning.

Because it should be us looking at the billionaire saying, wait, one is enough, enough.

Why can't you kick in your fair share?

Why can't you just comfortably live on $100 million?

Why do you need $10 billion?

And even if you did, why can't you say kick in a half a percent more to Medicare or I'm sorry, to Social Security?

Why does having a small

Tax increase for you mean the absolute devastation of your life and legacy and maybe I'm sorry your grandkids ten times down The lineage will have to maybe I don't know get a job.

Why is that not enough for you?

I mean it I have to assume and I was something I wanted to ask Chuck Collins is that Having that kind of money whether you are born into it or whether you get it has to rework

the chemistry in your brain, because at some point you have to say, oh, this is enough, but it never seems to be enough.

And in order to keep it where they are and to get more,

more power, they

have to then change the narrative saying, Jane, that guy down the street, he's not like you.

You work hard.

He doesn't.

He doesn't.

He doesn't.

He gets benefits.

Why does he get benefits?

And then when we make the benefits go away, it doesn't help you at all, Jane.

In fact, if you need benefits, they're going to be gone.

That guy who told you about them, though, will get those benefits in the form of tax breaks and get more money.

Because

they

need it.

Because enough is never enough to these people.

Greg referenced Chuck Collins, who was here earlier this week.

He is one of the co-founders of Patriotic Millionaires, who believes wealthy people should pay more.

to help out America.

I would encourage you to go back and listen to our interview with him.

He was with us on

Tuesday.

our favorite four segments of the show.

I did include Chuck Collins interview in that.

So you can go to civicmedia.us slash shows and it will come out on Saturday.

It's a nice distillation of the week.

It will include maybe the retirement announcement of Jane Matton there as well and a great segment from Terry Bard.

her slice of Wisconsin.

But yeah, go to civicmedia.us slash shows, go to Matt and Aaron here and find best of that'll come out on Saturday afternoon, I believe.

And you can listen to that interview, Chuck Collins.

We want to have him back

before you

retire, but also just because it's a great discussion because when rich people talk about rich people, it's a very interesting conversation, specifically when they want to, when, when, when those rich people

want the rich people to pay more taxes.

Tony on the live stream gets the last word.

You want someone with a billion dollars to live with just 900 million?

Oh, the humanity!

Send me to jail!

I know, Tony, it's terrible.

We have news coming up next, Jim Santel.

Joining us on the other side, we'll see what else we can break.

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Jim Santel is here.

Good morning, my friend.

How are you?

I'm trying great.

Great to be back with you once again on a day after the Supreme Court was talking all about pastry yesterday.

Did you know this in the course of three hours and exchange about what donut holes mean and communication between the two judge Brett Kavanaugh eventually is saying.

Oh, that's a good one.

I have to write that down.

So that's the serious.

Are you serious right now?

I am.

I am not making that up.

I'll give you the specific reference here.

You've got the justice of Brett Kavanaugh asking about whether this particular statute applies and whether the president should have authority and the attorney who's representing the state of Oregon, who's once again.

opposed to these tariffs says, it's not a donut hole justice.

It's a different kind of pastry.

And that gets picked up by our solicitor general in his rebuttal.

So a high level of review, it is sort of tongue-in-cheek and an otherwise very serious argument.

Nice to know that they can still take a little time to yuck things up a little bit to

break

up their days.

That's why,

Jim.

Jim, the next time you go in front of the Supreme court, you've got to say, this is, this case is too important.

It's a, it's, there's a lot of details.

It's the entire pretzel, not a bite.

And

then you can get a pretzel

and then you can yuck it up and be like, ha, ha, whackity, schmackity.

I mean, I, I thought you were kidding when you said that, but also we've seen our leaders do that where they're talking about very important things and they get sidelined by lunch.

Yeah.

Are you

going

to eat that sandwich by the

way?

I found this on Twitter, going back to the Oregon Attorney General.

This is what he said after that hearing yesterday.

The Solicitor General looked Justice Roberts squarely in the eyes and said the American people, not foreign countries, are going to pay 30% to 80% of these tariffs

And then he had the gall to look at all those justices again and say, these are not taxes on the American people.

So which is it?

And that animated a lot of the discussion yesterday.

And you had people like Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor and arguably even some of the other justices on the other side of the bench pushing back on what John Sauer, who yes indeed, he is our solicitor general for what it's worth.

talking yesterday a million miles an hour, declaring the justices on two occasions say, slow down, I can't follow you.

That's not good advocacy for those of us who know what good advocacy looks like.

That's not it.

But along the way, pushing back on this notion that somehow this is something other than attacks on the American people.

He coined this new phrase, which is, this is all foreign facing.

It's a foreign-facing concept that the president has adopted here.

And because it's related to things overseas, and the president, therefore, is involved with foreign things as a result of us being the commander-in-chief, therefore, this is all okay.

Nothing more to see here.

It's foreign-facing, Jane.

And so, simply, adopt this as the appropriate way to understand what our president has done.

But that makes sense.

Well, one, I understand why they're coming from the term foreign-facing.

I hear that now.

blank facing being

used

in many versions of corporate speak.

But let me ask you a question.

And I'm not a lawyer.

I am merely lawyer adjacent as Jane is, as Calvin is.

Can he defend the sentence, these are not taxes on a basis that

whether they're passed along, I'm talking about the technicality of the word taxes.

If we're paying for the tariffs and those costs are being passed on to us as the consumers,

And I'm, cause I, cause the way they talk about things as far as like they get, they get real technical in the weeds.

If it's not technically a tax versus a fee or an added cost, they can go, see, we call it, we didn't call it that.

We

called it a tax and it's not a tax.

You're wrong.

We're right.

You know what I mean?

But there's a lot of playing with Samantha.

Exactly.

That's what I'm trying to get at is by him saying that it's not a tax.

Can he defend it on the semantic point of it all saying, well, I call it a tax.

You call it something else.

That's not my problem.

He did give a shot at that, not successful, frankly, among any of the justices yesterday.

And to your appropriate invocation, the word semantics, a huge amount of talk about what words mean, what they don't mean under this particular statute, under other statutes.

At one point they were talking about nine different variations on things like regulate and restrict and control and what all that means.

And this is a long part of the discussion yesterday.

So semantics loom large.

I think in the end,

The majority of the Supreme Court, again, this is reading the tea leaves as we are all doing now, not going to be so much interested in that particular semantic, gymnastic thing that our Solicitor General was doing, but rather saying, okay, the Constitution says that this is a congressional operation.

This is a congressional duty.

Again, Elena Kagan begins that within five minutes of the oral argument and goes after the Solicitor General.

And then this statute, which is the one that the president has invoked, the IEEPA, this is the statute that permits a president under emergency circumstances to impose limited tariffs, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

Then they went after that and said, you know what, this is not an emergency.

And beyond that, beyond that, lots of good discussion about things we've talked about on this show before, a thing called the major questions doctrine.

And this is the notion that if the president is going to do something that's big and new, reference, for example,

Joe Biden's attempt to convey loan forgiveness for students, reference his attempt to do environmental things.

The Supreme Court came back and said, that's a major question, and only the Congress can do that.

For that reason, shut Joe Biden down.

An awful lot of discussion yesterday about whether this is another invocation of that, contrary to the President's view, if this is a major thing the President is doing,

imposing tariffs around the world on countries.

That's a major question.

And the Congress should only, the only ones doing it.

And oh, by the way, James Madison said exactly that.

It's the legislature that does this, not the president.

It's a big case about executive powers beyond just these tariffs.

And again, the initial indication is that maybe, just maybe there are enough justices to look at all this and say,

We're not buying it, Mr. President.

We're not buying this, Mr. Sauer.

And if so, hang on, you were talking before in your prior segments, of course, about economic news all important.

What do you do then if on January 1 or February 1, the Supreme Court comes back and says the last nine, 10, 11 months have been based upon all of this?

What do we do economically?

Not a time to be employed by the Department of Treasury.

That's to figure out a way to what refund all of this somehow.

Ooh, American public, foreign countries, what does that look like?

And it's got a big consequence, but again, the Supreme Court, they should be concerned about that.

John Sauer talked about it, but their issue is authority.

Does the president have authority to do this?

And my takeaway on it, and I think most people who are listening to this had the sense that you had the Amy Coney Barrett's and the Neil Gorsuch's, maybe in a good moment, the Kavanaugh's who are saying, I don't think so.

And the word skeptical is used a lot.

I think it's more than skepticism the Supreme Court has.

I think they're wrestling with this big time and may indeed issue a major opinion for the first time in recent years, limiting the power of the presidency and this president in particular, from doing what he wants to do.

If you're just joining us on Matt and Aaron air, we are talking to Jim Santel, who is not only the host of amicus, a law review on every Saturday from nine to 11 bees, also a former U S attorney worked under five presidents, Republican Democrat, also currently practicing attorney.

We are talking about the Supreme court hearing oral arguments on the power of the president to levy tariffs.

And it seems as if you've seen in the news stories that it's sort of going the way where the court is not that convinced on the power of the

the argument that the president can levy tariffs without Congress, who Congress is supposed to be doing that.

And the question I have then is, let's say, if you're looking at the tea leaves correctly, and we look at next year decision comes down that says a, you know, six to three in favor of, not in favor of the president, that speaks to the fact it felt like this Supreme Court was put in place and John Roberts almost was kind of admitting it out loud that

They are going to work to give him the most authority of any executive in the history of this country.

That's not only going to be a major blow, but it's going to kind of put his administration in a place of, well, what can we even do next then?

Because we'll be right back in the courts.

Right.

We know that on July 1 of 2024,

This Supreme Court, John Roberts, at his pen wrote this major opinion saying, among other things, that presidents are not above the law.

That, oh, by the way, you can't.

They are above the law, rather.

And you can, in fact.

can't prosecute them.

But along the way also said exactly that Greg, that the presidents have got to be powerful and muscular and deft and quick and decisive and can't be entangled with things like criminal conduct, including things that otherwise we wouldn't think within the purview or ambit of a president.

This, if it goes in the opposite direction, this is a big one.

And maybe, just maybe, in going, Neil Gorsuch yesterday sort of backtracking on the opinion that he signed off on July 1, basically saying, what about the powers of the presidency?

Not so much.

And it may well be, maybe, just maybe this Supreme Court is rethinking some of that language given to any president.

And here's the time in which they draw the line, not just in the sand.

but in the quick drying cement.

Yeah, I thought Neil Gorsuch asked some pretty interesting and pretty pointed questions, especially when, because Donald Trump's whole contention is that he needed to impose these tariffs because of national security, right?

That's the whole explanation for why

he

needs this power.

It's an emergency, Jane.

It's an emergency, exactly.

It's an emergency out of the statute, right?

Fennel's coming into the country, right?

And Gorsuch essentially said, well, what if another president comes in and says that climate change is

an

emergency and therefore I need to take action and punish, you know, gas-powered engines?

Yeah.

Right, exactly.

As again, Joe Biden and a couple of initiatives, remember the initiative that he brought forth and saying that the Midwestern states, polluting the Eastern states, Supreme Court came back and said, can't do that.

That's too big.

That's too new.

Only the Congress can do that.

Well, again, as you just said, Jane, Neil Gorsuch saying, it's a major question.

How does this differ?

And isn't it even bigger than that, arguably, or at least to the same plane?

I think there may indeed be as many as seven votes in this Supreme Court.

This would be seven to two, right?

That would be huge.

Which would be a huge statement.

And again, the only thing I'll add very quickly is we know that Supreme Court has gone in the opposite direction before.

John Sauer was the one, again, arguing yesterday as the Solicitor General.

Supreme Court has surprised us in the past when all of us have said, no, no, no, no, no.

Presidents have got to be subject to the law.

And they come back with this major decision saying, nope.

So even after the argument has suggested otherwise, we can't know until they issue that opinion.

Or to continue our conversation with Jim Santel.

I just want to say one thing.

There's a good reason I am not ever in courtrooms when these kinds of hearings are going on because I would stand up and go, come on.

Are you guys kidding me?

Ma'am, stop swearing in my courtroom.

You guys are nuts.

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It's fantastic.

Jim Santel is here right before we went to the break, Jim.

I just shared that I can't control my face when I hear things that I consider BS.

Terrible

poker face.

I have

a

horrible poker face.

But again, I, I admire the

self control of people who sit through these long hearings and not just go roll their eyes.

Come

on.

Right.

Right.

And again, you should know, Jane, that like lawyers and litigants out there, all of us are thinking those things internally, right?

Right.

All thinking you must be joking your honor.

We don't say that out loud because we don't want to be jailed.

But the reality is that those things are in our minds.

And in fact, Jane, you're channeling Amy Coney Barrett.

You may or may not like that.

We're so we are so much alike.

Yeah, we're

so much alike.

And and she looks she looks at again, John Sauer, once again, our solicitor general talking a million miles an hour yesterday to get through his materials.

And he is promoting again, the notion that these tariffs are just fine.

Emergency in place.

Right.

She says this.

in the category of, oh, come on.

She says, is it your contention council that every country needed to be tariffed because of the threats to the defense and industrial base?

She says, I mean, Spain, France.

I mean, I could see it with some countries, but explain to me why as many countries need to be subject to the reciprocal terror policy as they are.

That's Jane Matton here in the Supreme Court yesterday on the bench saying, Oh, come on.

I would just love to have seen something real.

I just love to have seen just a laundry list of various countries.

Chad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Exactly.

Good for you.

Amy

Coney Barrett.

If you need coaching, I'm always available.

Lots of

free

time

after December

12.

Remember this moment, folks.

It was November 6, 2025.

That's 9.54 AM where Jane said,

Good job, Amy Coney,

perfect.

Yes, never thought you'd hear me say that.

We don't have a lot of time left, and this is getting a little into the weeds, but I do want to focus on this in the remaining minutes that we have, Jim.

Lindsay Halligan is the interim US attorney who really is essentially not qualified for the job that Trump has put her into.

And they're trying to, Attorney General Pam Bondi,

claimed to have retroactively appointed Lindsay Halligan as a special attorney and ratified all of her actions to date, including presentations to grand juries.

So essentially, time travel is now part

of the Trump

administration.

You can go back

in

time and retroactively appoint someone.

I got really excited right there, but then I realized what you were talking about.

It's Looney

Tunes.

Well, once again, to make their Star Trek references, it's Captain Picard, right?

And let's zipper on the sun and go back to the 20th century, right?

Or whatever it is, the century that our Attorney General is in right now.

The reality is that this is an implicit acknowledgement by the Department of Justice.

that they're in trouble with respect to this appointment.

This is an interim appointment.

It's based upon this notion that interim appointments, again, very wonky.

I know you and your listeners love this stuff.

120 days is the term pursuant to which a president can appoint an interim US attorney.

That was used up on the previous guy, this fellow who declined to prosecute.

They appointed her.

And now, they're effectively acknowledging by doing this, we got a problem here, what James Comey

has done as said, this goes right to the core of the authority, the partner justice to prosecute me at all.

And because she's got no authority, the indictment that she herself and her office, but principally she herself presented to the grand jury that she signed off on that all of this because of that authority issue.

needs to be dismissed.

And the fact that the Attorney General of the United States of America is doing this time travel, and pointing out as a special attorney, that'll be the next issue.

There are things called special attorneys, again, very wonky.

We'll look at whether or not that authorizes you with a complete authorization to act as a United States attorney

Maybe, maybe not, but it indicates once again, the Department of Justice realizes it's in trouble.

It's also in trouble when a magistrate judge yesterday in the same case says to the government, what is this, indict now and investigate later?

Well, there's some discovery disputes going on.

It's a mess.

And Jane, it goes back to your concept once again with due respect.

It's always said, I don't know insurance.

I don't know tax law.

I don't know real estate law, but I'm not doing that work.

An insurance lawyer, important work.

has no business doing this on behalf of the American people, and has mucked this up to the point that this is going to go away, maybe even pretrial, which is stunning in terms of the incompetence, again, at these high levels of the Department of Justice.

This is what you happen when you fire all the qualified people and

you

surround yourself with people whose only qualification is their loyalty to you.

That's how we end up with this.

Yeah.

I want to make another point clear is the person she replaced.

Well, he said he quit.

He term said he was fired.

But the point, one of the reasons why he's no longer there is he tried for five months

to try to

find evidence against Leticia James and he found nothing.

And he was booted for that.

And now it's just a matter of make it happen.

That's not how the law works.

And if it is,

That can come down on all of us one day.

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Thanks, Jim.

Jane, Greg, always a pleasure to be with you.

Have a great week.

You too.

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We ended up talking at the top of the hour last hour about the jobs numbers which came out this morning and they're not good.

Layoffs across the U.S.

soared last month to over 100 to more than 153,000.

Employers have announced 1.1 million job cuts this year, the most through October since 2020.

The other big thing

that we wanted to talk about, though, because holidays are coming.

Thanksgiving's in just a couple of weeks.

And now the Trump administration is limiting some flights during the shutdown as air traffic controllers show strain.

This from the Wisconsin Examiner, Jacob Fischler has the byline.

U.S.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said the FAA is going to restrict air travel in 40 high traffic spots of the country.

to relieve pressure on our air traffic controllers.

They have been working without a paycheck since the government shutdown on October 1st, and these cuts are gonna start tomorrow.

Now, one of the reasons why I wanted to bring this up is Brian Stile.

Congressman of the First District, my congressman, my personal congressman.

Here in Wisconsin.

Brian Stile has posited that during a government shutdown,

our lawmakers should not be paid.

I have no problem with it.

I have zero problem with that as well.

Zero.

And honestly, some of these lawmakers in Congress, in Washington, they wouldn't miss the money.

A large number of them will never miss that money.

And it started me thinking about essential workers and who are considered essential workers, considering that the house has been out of session for over a month.

Is Congress really essential?

If we're gonna pay someone during the shutdown, I think we should be paying our air traffic controllers.

And not members of Congress, particularly ones who have been on vacation for the last month and more.

I know, it's crazy.

I do not, just I think, this is a very, like, this is a very...

Fertile discussion to have on this because you think about all the things happening right now You have individuals who are being expected to end quote praised for working for free by the US government There's all sorts of rumor going around that they might not get their back pay which has never happened before right they get back pay for when they work and not getting paid because

when they're furloughed during their furlough

shut down you get your back pay then on top of that

You've got people like, I don't know his first name, Mr. I'll call him Mr. Mellon.

That's his last name of the, of the melon, the melon

money, the melon money,

the melon money, giving $130 million to the DOD, essentially sponsoring paychecks for our service workers.

Our, our soldiers are those, not our vets, but our soldiers, people who are in active service right now, shouldn't have to worry about a paycheck either.

I mean, I know it's a lot easier to tweet about how great they are than actually do something for them.

But

All these individuals who are still working should have some sort of guarantee of pay during the shutdown.

And maybe you take the total sum pay that Congress would be making and you disperse it as best you could to those individuals who have to put in a hard day's work.

Maybe that's where you start.

Don't take sponsorship money from billionaires and legacy millionaires.

Essentially,

Opening the door for them to say, I gave you $130 million and I need this thing and I need it now.

Exactly.

I'm on board with Brian Stiles' proposal.

I am too.

And from what I understand, Tammy Baldwin's on board with it.

Has DVO checked in on that at all?

I would

be curious to know.

Every time I ask him about something.

Derek's opinion on not going without a paycheck.

Shane, every time I try to ask him a question,

he does one of three things.

Does

he

yell at you?

He ignores

me.

He yells at me or he says something wildly inappropriate and weird.

So, but it's The the I think if you put a poll out right now and there may be actually and I would ask if

What percentage of the American population believes that the regular government workers should receiving if not pay partial pay something to help them buy them groceries take care of the kids do the things they need to do I think that'd be a high number and that money should come maybe from the government employees who are in the Congress right now who don't probably need the money or should get off their dead butts and get back and actually vote us back into working and Do something about it

And maybe swear in a Congresswoman elect from Arizona, who was duly elected, duly

elected

and has been, and by the way, and, and, and I've seen, we talked about this earlier.

I think part of the reason why the shutdown is still taking place or the very least, the reason why Mike Johnson has said, stay home is because he doesn't want to swear in Adelhita Gravalda from Arizona.

But remember something, she wasn't being sworn in before the government shut down either, and he was finding every reason not to swear her in, even though that's also something there's no precedent.

He's trying

to paint the picture that, oh, we can't do this.

No,

he could.

No, he's lying

as always.

Yes.

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Transportation Secretary Wisconsin's own Sean Duffy saying the FAA is going to restrict air travel in 40 high traffic areas around the country to take some pressure off of our air traffic controllers who are not getting paid during the government shutdown.

As far as Mitchell goes, this from the Milwaukee Journal set no Milwaukee travelers get ready.

for longer security lines and flight delays if this shutdown continues.

Nationwide shutdown related flight disruptions so far, minimal, but some airports like the bigger ones, New York, Houston, have seen hours long delays now in just the last couple of

days.

It will get worse for the holidays.

It's not great when the government's working and everything is going well.

So honestly, this is, I don't see, I don't see how we reopen the government unless the Republicans bend, which they won't, cause they don't have to.

They keep on saying that it's the Democrats fault.

And unfortunately Democrats, Democrats are holding steady right now, which is great.

And we are in day 37, which is two days longer than the longest one in 2018 by, wait for it, Donald Trump.

This is a third one.

I think third one, you call this the hat trick or like a turkey or you get a ring or something for three shutdowns in two terms.

But what does a vote to open up the government look like then?

Someone's going to be upset.

And I don't think it's going to be the Republicans because I don't think Donald Trump will allow the Republicans to bend extending ACA tax

credits.

Again, it's important to remind folks.

That's what this shutdown is about is about restoring those ACA subsidies because people are getting their notifications now about how much their premiums are going to go up without those subsidies.

And if you are one of those individuals who are seeing those notifications come through, let us know because one of the big discussions and I would I would encourage you to go back to our episode with Will Westmoreland took place a couple of weeks ago where we talked to him about

this matter as well.

And when it comes to the ACA subsidies, those premium tax credits, the PTCs, they're called a great deal of farmers take part in that in the ACA, right?

Getting those tax credits, but on top of that, they get a another tax credit.

because there's distance because they're farmers.

I want you to go back and listen to the interview with him because he explains it very well.

And he is going to see his premium go up a great deal.

We need to make a solution.

And to me, I don't know about you, Jane, but the extension of the ACA premium tax credits doesn't seem like a huge problem to pass, if you will.

You know what I mean?

This is something the Republicans, we were talking about this yesterday off air.

If Republicans just gave the people some crumbs, there are individuals out there who would pull back.

That would be a win.

That episode, by the way, is from the October the 14th, Tuesday.

It's called The Truth About Tariffs and Our Farmers.

Go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

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Download, listen to it.

Will Westmoreland talks about it beautifully.

But just giving Republicans standing going, you know what, we'll do that.

We'll extend those.

And we'll take care of that.

We need to help the American people.

Even if you're lying, you're still giving them crumbs, and then you can go on and be terrible.

Right.

And while at the same time saying, look what we did for you.

Exactly.

Look what we did for you.

We heard you.

We're responding to you.

But instead, they are taking the opposite tack.

I believe it was our president yesterday bragging that we've lifted 600,000 people off food stamps.

No, you've cut people off of food stamps.

You haven't lifted them out where they no longer require them.

No, it's a different thing.

Well, this is the same

party who doesn't say, we cut Medicaid.

We've

secured.

Saved it.

We've saved it.

Yes.

It goes back to the discussion we had with Jim in the previous hour.

It's about the semantic.

It's about the use of words, because the moment you come at them with the actual evidence, they say, well, I never said, cut, I said, lift it off.

We lifted out.

So the poverty is just gonna go away because that's not how it works when you take away benefits.

And that's just, it's never, and I feel like that messaging, that constant barrage of lies,

In the face of people who need these benefits and need these tax credits are falling short because these individuals are now in the holiday season, the end of year, seeing those price tags going up, people are going to see those, those, those premiums go up, see those grocery bills go up.

And we're all

seeing it every day.

And I'm going to say this now, I feel like this week, this week of November, the first week of November,

2025 is going to be a very important one for the next year on the elections, the Supreme Court argument on tariffs, and what the president's role is as far as a king versus an executive.

I think there's going to be a lot to talk about.

And I feel like from a political standpoint, you and I have talked about this with another guest.

If you can go back to your district and say, hey, we save the ACA for you, you can afford your health care.

You will win reelection on that, but no, they're gonna dig their heels in and why are they doing it?

For

billionaires.

So from Franklin texting in, if a two-person household makes less than 84,600 a year, they should not lose their subsidies.

That's 400% of the poverty level.

84,600 for two people is not enough.

When we return, we're gonna talk about the speaker, Emerita.

Ah.

is retiring.

Nancy Pelosi says goodbye.

That's coming up.

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I wanted to take a little time to acknowledge Nancy Pelosi Lover hater.

She exists lover or hater.

She has certainly been a newsmaker

She's a Titan in the halls of that building.

She absolutely is the first woman to serve as Speaker of the House.

Nancy Pelosi has announced she will not run for reelection to Congress two years after stepping down as House Speaker.

She is now Speaker Emerita.

Yes.

And the more that I read about her background, she didn't get into Pollux until she was 47.

She

was

47.

Yeah.

And the mother of five, and she waited until her youngest child was in high school.

Yeah.

before she decided to run for office and she's been there doing

the work.

She's been doing the work.

And I think that, you know, you could have a very sorry, cable news, fair and balanced conversation about her.

And as you said, lover, I mean, I, you know, I don't, I don't hate her.

I have things that I could say about her tenure, but I think when it comes to that, I believe it goes to the tenure of a lot of

people who are serving.

For a long time.

You know, she's at 40 years in and there's a, there's a conversation to be had about when you should step down, when you should pass the torch along to the, not only that next person, but to the next generation of leadership in your party.

I think there's a lot of frustration from individuals such as like a Chuck Schumer who was very much like, well, I,

yeah,

but.

The story of Nancy Pelosi is one that, I mean, that's going to be a book.

She's going to write probably a very, very encompassing autobiography on her.

And I look forward to the story she's going to tell post office.

Cause if it's one thing we've seen, especially from speakers, John Boehner.

Oh, they get to spill the tea.

That man is never not drinking or smoking in an interview.

He is always drinking and smoking and always just like, yeah, I don't care what you guys think of me now.

I'm out.

I'm done.

Yeah.

I made my

money.

That's making their money as a whole of the conversation.

But there is no doubt that what she has done for that office and her trailblazing is going to be remembered forever.

Without a doubt.

Forever.

Without a doubt.

Again, the first female speaker of the house, two terms as speaker of the house, and got quite a lot of things accomplished.

And again, lover or hater, and there are people who are on both sides of Nancy Pelosi, but I give her credit.

For acknowledging that it's time Yeah, because we have too many yes on both sides absolutely who are clinging on and I get it

But it's time.

No, I and that goes back to the conversation that we had this morning and with Chuck Collins When is it enough when?

or the money, or for a lot of them, it's the power and the influence.

It's the spotlight too.

She can call a press conference.

People are gonna be there in two years time.

She can call a press conference and no one might care.

But yeah, it's asking that question.

When is enough enough?

When is it time?

When do you become the elder state's person of your party and use your influence in that way?

Become a mentor.

Become a mentor.

Get a job on cable news.

I mean, they'll pay you a lot of money as well.

She doesn't need the money.

Nancy's okay.

I think that it's...

I think all eyes now are going from California after this announcement to New York because somebody who won't say who we voted for for mayor of New York is in a place where I feel like he needs to make a decision.

Mr. Chuck Schumer.

Yeah.

So there's a couple of names.

Chuck Grassley.

That's

another one.

There's a couple of people in there.

It's like, come on, you guys, go enjoy yourselves.

Come with me.

Yeah.

We'll we'll we'll look at birds

together.

That was the

question.

I'll sell out.

I'll have a bird watching for former Congress.

Members of Congress.

Jane McNair announces her retirement on Monday and now this.

I mean, this is a trend setting.

This is this taste making Jane.

Oh my god, Jane and Nancy Pelosi podcast.

Yeah, that's in the works right

now.

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How are you?

Good morning, everybody.

I'm doing great.

Good.

Where do you want to start?

Should we talk about the Monday game with the Packers?

Let's do that.

I think that's a good place to start.

All right.

The Packers are coming off.

what can only be described as a terribly disappointing loss to a not very good Carolina Panthers team, honestly.

And I think concerning because the offense did not show up, the Packers defense had some warts.

They let themselves get run on quite a bit by Rico Doudal.