Running For Office And Running Away (Hour 1)

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busy busy show coming up today.

Andra Watkins has been a guest before.

She is a New York Times bestselling author and she also has an award-winning sub stack.

It started out as how Project 2025 will ruin your life.

It has become for such a time as this.

It's a great sub stack.

Andra grew up in a white Christian nationalist household.

Community too.

In a community, yes, in school and

the

whole thing.

So she has some very interesting perspectives when it comes to the Christian nationalists who are now part of the administration, essentially.

Russ votes right up there.

The author of Project 2025.

Our speaker of the house is a Christian nationalist.

Him too.

So we're going to talk to Andrew Watkins.

about Because it's the left is the enemy absolutely Satan they're the party of Satan and demonic and all those things but Andre has some interesting perspectives on who is considered left and You might be surprised that as much as you might align with the Wait am I conservative actually as much as you might align with the current administration

you might actually be a lefty, according to Christian nationalists.

And that's going to go, you know, and I feel like I'm going to say this with her as well.

And I've said it before, it goes back to them, the idea of you think you're enough and someday you won't be exactly going to knock on the door and you will be surprised.

Yep.

And we're also going to talk about Mr. Morris, the.

Former Trump spiritual advisor.

Oh, yes, who pled guilty to sexually assaulting a 12 year old girl and he's gonna serve six whole months

Ten year sentence is

gonna serve six whole months because they're very serious about protecting children.

Yeah, we'll talk about that with

Andrew Watkins coming up after the 9 30 news.

Next hour, Darren Von Ruden will be here, the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

Yes, we're going to keep talking tariffs and what this means for Wisconsin farmers and subsequently what this means for Wisconsin consumers.

Yes, because this is showing up now.

I'm sure you've seen it.

If you've been at the grocery store, prices are up.

No matter.

What the leader of the free world might say prices are down everywhere Greg according to Donald Trump Cass is free.

It's bad and he's gonna lower prices by 1300% So that should that should be interesting.

Yeah,

stay tuned for that.

That's an hour number two Brewers in the action Later on today this afternoon.

Are you gonna listen?

No, he's so anxiety-ridden.

No, I have to watch on my phone.

It's the only control I have in my life

I watch on my phone sort of.

I can't listen.

I can't watch.

You just kind of dip in and out.

But you should listen on civic media because we are a brewers network and you can listen on traditional.

terrestrial radio, you can listen to the game all over Wisconsin.

Jane, where are some of the stations people can hear us?

Our broadcast will start at 3 30 this afternoon.

I think the first pitch goes out a little after four.

408 408.

Again, as Greg said, you can listen to the game on terrestrial radio.

So W R C E and Richland Center, W Y S S in Oshkosh W C Q M in Park Falls, W B Z H and beautiful Hayward.

And right here in Racina Kenosha on W

RJN 99.9 FM 1400 AM.

Rourers could rap.

They could sweep it.

Could sweep it.

But sweep it this afternoon.

They're at

Wrigley.

They're at Wrigley.

Keep our expectations very realistic.

Temper temper them.

Yes.

Cannot wait.

Honestly, if they win.

That will be wonderful.

I'll be very happy and I actually felt my whole body relax right there at the just the thought of a brewer's victory in game three But I have now just become a really big fan of the Chicago sports riding intelligentsia and how they're all seven-year-old boys who didn't make it past T-ball because they're so mad and they're being really petty Oh, they're the pettiest.

They are you think the Kardashians are petty?

These guys take the cake.

They are the pettiest of petty.

They're so mean and so snarky and so bitter.

I just, as I once heard Pat Noswald say, he said, you could just drizzle it on pancakes.

It's amazing.

Chicago sports writers, a bad case of mean girls.

Bad case of mean

girls these days.

What a shame.

Anyway, if you're going in a special train, I believe has already left.

Special train to Chicago that Amtrak was running.

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You can send them in to our text line at 855-752-4842 and go crew.

That would be a great and wonderful thing.

Wanted to start off with things a little bit closer to home.

Josh Call.

Wisconsin Attorney General says he will not seek reelection, or he will seek reelection as Attorney General, is not going to run for governor.

Good.

I think that's a good plan.

I

agree with you.

Yeah, I will say this.

I, you know, this is no, actually, I'm not even saying I don't care if people take offense to this.

He wouldn't have been the right choice, in my opinion.

He, I feel, and I believe other people do.

I'm not gonna say people are saying, I just feel that people do agree with me on the matter.

that his lack of speed with moving to prosecute those who had their hands in the 2020 election, the fake electors, the fact that he moved so slowly on that was very noticeable by individuals.

We heard it from people here on the text line that calling and his recent activity since I would say since the election of last year.

has shown an enthusiasm for the job, but I feel like that everything before that would have hindered a run for the governorship.

And so I think it's a good idea for him to run reelection.

for AG.

It will not be easy.

I still think there will be questions, especially if someone wants to primary him.

I think more so if someone wants to primary him.

But yeah, I think this is a good move for Attorney General Call.

Call

said in an interview with WPR, his decision partly based, it's personal in nature, also reflective of the work his office has taken on in challenging the Trump administration, quote,

This is such an important time for the role of attorneys general around the country.

I think it's a pivotal time for the country.

And I think some of our most basic rights are under threat.

He's not wrong.

Nope.

He's not wrong at all.

He's not wrong.

And

it is more important than ever that we have attorneys general who actually follow the law.

for

as long as they're allowed to.

That's true.

Until it becomes illegal by way of the Supreme Court to challenge the president on anything, which you think it's funny, but it can be true.

And then there's a new poll out.

This seems way premature.

New governor's race poll from WISN gives Tom Tiffany and Mandela Barnes an early lead.

Okay,

let's speed.

This

poll was by platform communications.

Yes.

And it was done by a Republican and a Democrat.

Full disclosure, I worked with the Democratic pollster many years ago in an election.

And what's interesting about this, I wanted to find it again, is that while Tom Tiffany does have a lead on the Republican side and Mandela Barnes for some reason,

has a lead because he hasn't even announced.

He's not announced.

And he absolutely like has not made any sort of like claim.

I'm trying to find the numbers are very interesting to me because on both sides undecided is winning.

That has more percentage points than anything.

And there is actually a section for it is none.

Yeah, none slash someone else.

So on the Republican side, 34% are undecided.

30% are for Tom Tiffany.

14 for Eric Hovey, not in the race.

9, Tim Michaels, not in the race.

4% for Josh Schumann, as we all remember, Bill Barry, and dropped out about a week and a half ago.

And then 9% for none slash someone else.

On the Democratic side, it is a little more, it's a little bigger because there's more people, but Undecided has 38%.

Lots of support.

Mandela Barnes, and I think this is telling for someone who's A, not in the race, and B, in quote, first place for humans.

16% Oh boy.

So you look at Tom Tiffany was 30 Mandela Barnes not in the race 16% and then it goes all the way down Rodriguez after that with eight Crawley was seven call not in the race seven Hong for Keldor Roy's and Missy Hughes weren't even registered and none someone else is on there as well.

So I Feel like yeah, of course, there's gonna be a poll, but this is a very weak poll.

I mean one two

Two of the people on the Democratic side are not in the race.

I think three in the Republican are not in the race.

It's just, I feel like this mucks up the conversation, especially since Mandela Barnes has not been part of it yet.

In the, in the serious tone, like Dan Schaefer has mentioned Mandela Barnes.

We've talked about Mandela Barnes.

I don't think he should run.

Period.

I don't think so either.

Period.

I don't think he should run, but.

That doesn't stop people from saying, oh yeah, I remember that.

I remember that guy.

I remember that

guy.

Name recognition is a very important thing.

Absolutely.

It really is.

Absolutely.

But yeah, I think this seems just a little premature.

And we're going to see a billion more polls.

before we actually go to the polls.

Oh yeah.

We're probably going to see at least, it's October, the eighth right now, my guess is by mid month, we'll see at least two more polls.

Yeah.

They're going to be, it's going to become a regular thing.

I do have, I do find it interesting that Eric Hovey and Tim Michaels are both mentioned in here.

But again, that just speaks to the power of name recognition.

And Eric Hovey, I mean granted the, Eric Hovey is the closest one to Tom Tiffany.

But Eric Hovde has 14% and he's not in the race.

Did he?

Yes, he did do the thing.

He did a Tommy Thompson.

I haven't ruled it out.

I'm thinking about it.

Blah, blah, blah.

I need a headline again.

I need to be relevant even though I'm rich.

Who cares?

Well, it

really depends upon, and I would think with both Hovde and Michaels, the biggest issue is do they feel like shelling out a couple more million dollars of their own money?

Yeah.

In order to throw their hat in the ring.

I mean, if.

if they really wanted to they would have stayed in the state and kept working and meeting with people and being politicians essentially but when both of them lost they hightailed it out they're gone they're not of this state they're not us sorry you guys have companies here great but

and Tom Tiffany sorry just because you put a hat on that says home with Wisconsin where the O is doesn't make I'm sorry just

it's interesting to those to see the the reaction from some on the right who are who think Tom Tiffany is the I mean they're very excited about this because he apparently ran a campground at one point

I thought he surveyed land or something.

Maybe it was that.

And so I've seen comments saying, he is right out of central casting, which is something that Donald Trump has always said, because of course to him, everything is a reality show.

And also, this must be interesting for Tom Tiffany, because this is the first time I think anyone's been excited about him ever.

So really, when it comes down to it, I think he should just swim in the moment.

But enjoy.

He's doing the same thing that that Huvdy did is he's trying to be down home Wisconsin.

I'm just like you.

I'm shoveling the poo in the barn because I know what it's like to live on the farm.

And I know he comes from farming backgrounds.

He does.

And that's fine.

That's great.

But then what have you done for him?

He also knows

how to hold a fish.

He does know the fish.

Very important.

On standing on a frozen lake.

Once again, lake sitting, lake standing.

It's all good.

That's what makes a real governor.

Apparently it's all good.

Coming up, Mike Johnson, run away, baby.

Run away.

Oh my god.

Epstein.

He's still dead and he's still not going away.

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Before we go to the bottom of the hour news, I think it's important that we keep reminding folks that

We could have the Epstein files.

They could be released.

Because there is now another Democrat who would bring the vote to 218, which is what we need in order for them to release the Epstein files.

She won a special election two weeks ago.

And Mike Johnson is refusing to swear her in.

But it's not to delay the release of the Epstein files, Greg, in case that's what you were thinking.

couldn't be that.

We have a couple clips of the Speaker of the House.

Calvin, it's your, it's producer choice.

Play, play any of those clips that you like, please.

There was a moment earlier this year, you sworn in two Republican members during the pro forma session.

So why not swear in Adelaide Grijalva who was elected two weeks ago during the pro forma session?

Why not have to do with her 2018 signature on the discharge petition, the FC district?

No.

has nothing to do with that at all.

We will swear her in when everybody gets back.

It's a ceremonial duty.

Look, I will schedule it as soon as she wants.

It has nothing to do with it.

I as soon as you heard that

she's been there for two weeks.

Adelida.

Adelida Grajava has been waiting to be sworn in.

She would have been sworn in on the plane if she was a Republican.

Oh, yeah, they've done this for Republicans.

Yeah, their whole pro forma.

argument falls completely apart.

And we know that because they're asked every time, well, if it's pro-pharma, you did it before.

You've done it before.

Why not do it now?

And I love his, I love Mike Johnson's answer.

No, no, no, no, no,

no, no.

We have another clip with you.

We do have another clip.

Yeah.

From Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

talking about the special circumstances for when they swore in those

republicans.

Calvin let's play that clip please from the speaker of the house.

On the Epstein files, there she is there speaking.

Why won't you swear her in?

Yeah, I mean, again, they're becoming experts at distraction and red herrings.

This has absolutely nothing to do about Epstein.

This is a scheduling matter.

As soon as the Democrats open a vote to reopen the government, we will get back to the regular order in

session

of Congress.

And

I'm sure among our first orders of business is to minister the oath to the newly elected representative.

This is just a matter of the schedule.

In a pro forma session, no one's there in the chamber.

It's literally sometimes three, four people, a clerk, and whomever is serving as the interim speaker.

They bang the gavel in, they say the pledge, and they bang the gavel out.

That's it.

It's just to keep Congress functioning.

It's a tradition of the institution.

But we'll do it right and

do it in

the right way as soon as everybody gets back here.

I understand.

And that makes perfect sense until we look back and see that there have been Republicans sworn in during pro forma sessions.

So why should it be different for a Democrat?

The great question.

There was a unique exception made when the two Florida representatives were sworn in earlier

this

year after winning a special election.

And the only reason

we did that is because it was previously noticed for that date and they flew all their families and friends in for the ceremony.

So because they were here and the session got canceled, we just went

ahead and did it because their families were here.

That's the main purpose of it.

But if she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family,

would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies

in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If

she flies in her family,

would you

guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys do it?

If she flies in her family, would you guys

Then when you said when someone said you've done it you said why you did it and then you say Well, but no, yeah, but

those same circumstances don't apply to this Democrat.

No

I Mean it is just God like it must be it mice Jane it must be tiresome to lie this much.

I'm wondering if not only when you get elected to Congress or the Senate when you

You have to be really good at your job at a certain point, and one of that part of that job is just lying on command.

Well, and what stuff is keeping all the lies straight?

Oh, they don't even have to do that!

That's why Pam Bondi brought notes yesterday.

Oh, she brought notes with her comeback.

She

had, yes.

It's

like being a bad comic.

and writing down her comebacks in case she gets heckled by the audience.

We'll talk more about that with Jim Santel tomorrow.

Right now we have news on the way and then when we return, Andrew Watkins will be here, New York Times bestselling author and author of the award-winning substack called For Such a Time as This.

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Andra Watkins joins us.

Good morning, Andra.

Thanks for being here.

How you doing?

I'm great.

How are you?

We are good.

We are surviving.

We are plugging along as it were.

We have a lot to cover this morning before we jump into Christian nationalism and who falls under the definition of left because I think that's going to surprise many, many, many people.

Let's talk about Robert Morris just for a little bit.

Robert Morris for people who don't know is the founder of a

Mega Church, pastor of one of the largest mega churches in the country, he pled guilty to sexually abusing a 12-year-old girl.

The 64-year-old Morris, of course, was one of Donald Trump's spiritual advisors.

He began abusing this woman when she was 12.

He was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

He's going to get six months.

There's she's

rolling

Go ahead there seems to be a lot of this within yeah within the clergy and within mega churches

She's going to carry that for the rest of her life and he gets six months.

It's it's just abominable and people to let let them get away with this absolutely is a very

And a

common thing.

At one point, his lawyer wrote a letter saying that she had to accept some culpability for this.

She was 12.

Yeah, and, you know, we've talked about this before, but there are hopefully lots of new people here who haven't met me.

So the reason that they would say something like that is because they adhere strictly.

to the doctrine of original sin which is the interpretation of the bible that st augustine invented 2000 years ago because he was a sex addict and went into the church to stop being a sex addict so these men never changed and came up with the fact that because eve sinned first and tempted adam to fall with her

the woman is originally responsible for sin and has to be subject to the man and has to submit to him and has to be blamed all the time for tempting him and men really can't help it when they when they do bad things you know it's the woman's fault that she tempted him so that lawyer statement is a reflection of this doctrine of original sin that these christian nationalists adhere to

to keep from blaming the man because he can't control himself.

Wait, I have no culpability?

I'll see you guys.

I'm out of here.

Sit down.

It's all right.

Sit down.

You're not going anywhere.

I just want to make sure I understand this.

Men are so strong and the head of the household and the enforcer of, you know, he's

following God's law in being the head of the household, but he is so weak and so fragile that we have to protect men from scary women, from scary ladies.

Yes, and women, that was when I was taught as a child in Christian nationalism, women have to control themselves all the time because men can never control themselves.

It's never a man's fault when he does something like that.

It's always the woman's fault because she wore the wrong thing, or she looked at him the wrong way, or she giggled at him coyly, or, you know, she walked a certain way, or she sat a certain way, or she got up from a chair a certain way, or she just generally existed.

That's exactly what I was going to say.

She existed.

She is.

And for me, you know, as a man,

Yeah.

It's not just that, it's also the fact, it's not even the trying to strip any sort of accountability from the man, but it's also that of, you know, it's tough.

It's just so, it's guys, it's tough, man.

He was just trying to live his life and he saw a 12 year old over there and he was like, oh, my base instinct is to do something horrible.

And what was he, let's just, let's, I,

Let's just have a moment to feel sympathy for this guy.

And I'm thinking about this, and I wish I would have gotten the names of the name of this gentleman, but he got up in front of his mega church and he admitted to wrongdoing on this level of being in inappropriate relationships.

And he did it with self-reflection in his tone and his head was hung low and I'm sure there was a crocodile tear there.

The entire church got up and clapped for him.

And

he

was off the hook.

They are conditioned to forgive the man for anything.

He said he was sorry.

He's repented.

We saw this with feet heads

up.

You know, he assaulted multiple women allegedly.

But, you know, he asked for forgiveness.

He repented publicly.

Then he turned around and did it again.

Well, but he asked for forgiveness and he repented publicly.

So we don't need to punish him anymore.

He's paid his price.

He's sorry.

Let's move on.

That's how they operate.

And these girls...

and young women are scarred for life and have to carry that with them for life.

And these girls and young women are groomed for this, right?

Yes.

Because you do not question authority.

You never question your spiritual leader, ever.

You know, so when your spiritual leader of a megachurch of 10,000 people is telling you, it's God's will that I touch you here, and we just don't need to tell anybody.

You know, this is a super special spiritual thing between you and me.

And you're a child.

You're 12.

You know, you don't know that that's inappropriate.

Many of the people in these communities, especially, I mean, you don't know how sex works.

You're not taught about your body.

You don't know any of that.

So this kind of inappropriate touching and interaction.

You may know you may think well, this is weird This is embarrassing, but you don't really understand that it's sexual assault

If you're just joining us right now on Matt Nairnair, we're speaking to Andrew Watkins, who is a New York Times bestselling author.

I told her this last time, I love saying that New York Times bestselling author.

Also the author of the award-winning sub-stack for such a time as this, she is a survivor of the white Christian nationalist community, which as you put it many months ago, and I always want to, I put this in the notes.

And I always say it out loud when people can hear me that these are people not on the fringes.

They are in the halls of power.

And I think that attitude, Andrew, that you are speaking of where we just submit our personal morals because God has got a plan and that means that so and so must have done this to this young child.

So therefore, it's not for me to understand.

I feel like that attitude has been mainstreamed and almost secularized because we see

this type of action being busted all the time.

Cops, clergy members, teachers, being arrested for assault, if not absolutely worse of children.

And what we do is we say, well, the job is a lot of pressure or they got a lot going on and we don't know the situation.

And I think in a certain sense, and tell me if I'm wrong, I feel like

We as a community, as a society do that for our own comfort because to go deeper into it and hold accountability to these individuals, we then have to look into the nuance topics of their professions, which usually grant them power.

And these are usually men, not always, but usually men.

But it's a lot easier to say, well, we just don't know and walk away with our lives, which are busy instead of saying we need to do something about it.

Because frankly, if we were to do something about this, it would take forever because it's always happening.

Yes.

And a lot, I mean,

our government is shut down right now to avoid looking at this with the ebbs team.

You know, I'm convinced that's why the government shut down because they don't want that to come out.

So, and that's a whole other set.

Like you said, Greg, of secularizing, you know, many wealthy, powerful, mostly men, abusing young girls, little girls and young women.

for decades and getting away with it.

So you know this is something about our society that we're perpetuating and this idea that is baked into all of these religions from Judaism to Islam to Christianity of this story of the woman being at fault and the woman being a temptress is is where they are able to encode that.

degree of patriarchy and female control into all society.

So even people who haven't grown up in this or been exposed to it still have that view because it is so pervasive.

Here is my question to you.

Say I am in one of these churches, a Christian nationalist church, and the man is the head of the household.

And my husband decides to do something completely moronic.

He's going to jump off the roof into a vat of Jell-O, whatever.

And I go to my faith leader and I say, my husband wants to do this thing that's really dangerous and stupid.

Should I do this with him?

Should I also jump off the roof into a vat of Jell-O?

What is their explanation then that you still submit to the moron?

You know in general and a lot of these churches now You have to sign some kind of contract of conduct I had to sign a standard of conduct to be in the school when I was in junior high and high school We had to sign one of these things and a lot of these churches happen So one of the things that happens with that is the church has the right to discipline you For going against the standard of contract so and the church leaders decide

when that applies.

So if the church leadership decided that not jumping off a roof into a vat of jello with your husband was not properly submitting to him, then you could be punished publicly in the church for not submitting to your husband.

So, you know, it really is interpreted in these churches

on a church-by-church basis.

And a case-by-case basis, I would imagine.

And a case-by-case basis because there are people, you know, if you're a really good tither and you give a lot of money, you know, then probably they're gonna go easier on you than if you're just to show up sometimes and do the bare minimum kind of person.

Andrew, I want it really quick.

I want to make this question very quick because we have to go to grab some snacks and some water.

But of these, because you saw this firsthand in your experience with no support from the church, no support from parents, no support from their community, these young people, young women and girls have to just stay in the church.

They don't probably leave because they don't have the power or the authority within them to do that.

What is the percentage you see now then or now of young people who's like I got to get out of here or there's like there's nothing I can do because it's God's will and I have to stay and endure

If that had happened to me I would have been in the it's God's will and I have to stay and endure

you would have

and and a lot of a lot of people would have been because They don't I didn't have a choice about where I went to school or went to church.

That was my parents decision I did not have any say in that, you know, and I wasn't particularly rebellious so

a lot of people will stay.

Because they don't feel like they have another choice.

Well, and again, if your education is so intentionally limited, that makes it

even

more difficult for you to get out into the regular world and function.

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One of your latest columns, Andrea, are you talking about when Christian nationalists say the left, who are they talking about?

And it's such a good point to make, and I'm so glad you asked me to do this.

And for people who are visual people, I made a video of this on my substack that you can go find so you can see it, because we're on the radio, you can't see it here.

But I'll do my best.

All

right.

So, you know, most people think, same people think that

you know, ideologies exist on a spectrum.

So we have people who are on the far left.

We have people who are on the far right.

We have a lot of people who are in between.

We have people who are in the middle.

We have center right.

We have center left.

And people hit multiple points in that spectrum.

And that means a certain thing, you know, in terms of what they believe.

But when somebody like Kevin Roberts, who's president of the Heritage Foundation, which authored Project 2025 that I wrote about last year and warned people not to vote for, when somebody like him says, we're in the midst of the second American Revolution and it will be bloodless if the left allows it to be, I want, which I interpreted as is if you resist, we will kill you.

And how I interpret that statement.

But you know, when he says the left,

in that context, you have to understand that somebody like him, a die-hard Christian nationalist, an Opus Dei Catholic, allegedly, who's in that cult of Christian nationalism, who's very, very far right, but rigid, we can't compromise with anybody.

Our interpretation of God's law should be the Bible, and we are right, and anybody who disagrees with us is wrong, and we will not compromise an inch.

We caught Samolito saying that on the hot mic last summer.

So we can't compromise so they very much believe that so say you voted for this three times Which would make you think that you're probably over there with Kevin Roberts you're on his team fully But you're okay with same-sex marriage because your cousin is gay and married to a man a man married to man So you're okay with that you carve out.

It's okay You're the left

To somebody like Kevin Roberts because anyone who does not agree with him 100% about everything is the left because he cannot compromise So millions and millions and millions of Americans Think they're not in the crosshairs of this regime because you know, they're not left-wing radicals But anybody who doesn't agree with them is a left-wing radical the Pope now is a left-wing radical because he said

Being pro-life means that you need to be against the death penalty.

And being pro-life means you need to take care of immigrants and treat them like human beings.

And there was all this outrage within MAGA because that's radical left.

You know, disagreeing with them at all means you are a radical left liberal.

And need to be destroyed.

And need to be destroyed.

Or

saved.

Or saved.

Do they even think we're saving care so much about the safe

part

anymore?

So the the question I have that and you've spoken on this before in fact you spoke on this when the first time you were ever here then is you have someone like that gentleman Opus de Catholic then does he see Mike Johnson as the left because he's not the same Christian nationalist as as he is.

They're different.

They're different sides of the coin.

They're different flavors of Christian nationalism.

So is it a matter of

whomever is on the top of the mountain wins and everyone below them, even if they are just as devout in their Christian nationalism, but you're not a Catholic.

Sorry, back of the line, or it's no longer a bloodless revolution.

Eventually we will get to that if they consolidate enough power, where an Opus Dei Catholic has been schooled to say all people have to be Catholic.

And so someone like Mike Johnson is Baptist.

Therefore, he's not a real Christian to someone like Kevin Roberts or Sam Alito.

So they will have to have a war about whose version of faith they're going to have to force on everyone because they don't agree about who's going to

heaven.

And I want to repeat something too.

You've been saying more and more too.

This is white Christian nationalism.

This isn't Christian nationalism.

This isn't an encompassing super inclusive Christian national.

This is white Christian nationalism.

Yes.

I mean, there are three sectors of it.

The Catholic sector, the Baptist Protestant Presbyterian sector, and the Dominionist New Apostolic Reformation sector that have distinct views about who's going to heaven.

You started writing about Project 2025 long before anybody else did.

We talked about it.

That's why we started having you on in the first place.

far already with implementing parts of Project 2025, which we'll talk about more the next time you join us.

Andra Watkins, New York Times' best-selling author.

Subscribe to her sub-stack for such a time as this.

Always appreciate your time, Andra.

It's so enlightening.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for having me.

Take care.

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After the 1030 News, this has to do with photographs and what you photograph and if you share these photographs with others.

That just sounded like precursor that's gonna get dirty.

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He joins us every month for an update for which we're very grateful He is Darren von Ruden the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

Good morning, Darren.

Thanks for joining us

Good morning, Jayden and Greg.

Thank you for having me again.

Well, another another story this time from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Anna Kleber with the byline record club crop yields won't lead to financial security this year for Wisconsin farmers.

Here's why, and it's about the Trump tariffs, because that's what they are.

They're the Trump tariffs.

I'm curious, Darren, you're a dairy farmer, but you talk to many farmers across Wisconsin, even though I don't believe you'd grow soybeans.

But what are you hearing from some of your fellow farmers?

A lot of despair, a lot of frustration, a lot of the uncertainty that we're at.

But mainly the frustration of why we're at the point that we're at.

We've certainly seen some of the issues with first president terrorists back in 2018 and lost the market share there.

And to come back and do the exact same thing, expecting different results is not the best way to do things.

It's never worked and never will work.

As of today, China has not bought any new crop soybeans, probably do not intend to.

And so that just means a bad thing, you know, in Wisconsin here, we're somewhat insulated on the fact that a lot of soybeans do go into animal feed.

So whether it's the dairy herds or the pork and poultry industry, we do use quite a bit there, which is going to make the

Dariman happy in the poultry and pork producers a little more comfortable because they're not gonna have to pay those outrageous prices for feed if you know if feed prices are high

So it's really not benefiting anybody though because the dairy producers and pork and beef or poultry folks want to see their neighbors be prosperous too.

So trying to benefit off of somebody else's loss is not something that farmers are comfortable with.

You know, you talk about the first, we talked about the first tariff war, trade war.

And that resulted in a, I think, when all was said and done, it was a $16 billion bailout to the farmers to help them with what they had lost because of this very thing happening now.

And now Donald Trump is talking about another bailout, this time specifically for the soybean farmers.

And we spoke with Pam Yanke yesterday, and she said that that money would actually just pay down the debts incurred.

as part of the farming

process.

A lot of farmers already borrowed money for either seed or crops or other stuff like that.

And I'm sure some of them will accept the money because they need to take it and they need to pay down that debt.

But really, I mean, tell us, they don't want bailouts.

They want markets.

They want to be able to sell and make money and do a business and keep their farms going.

I mean, I can't imagine there's a lot of farmers running around Wisconsin saying, I'm going to get a check.

Yeah, you know, the family farm industry that I am involved in and

really care a lot about what we want to get our money from the marketplace now with the style of agriculture that we're going to when you have the the investment firms and the lawyers and the doctors that are invested in them they really don't care where the money comes from as long as they get the money and so having this type of a portfolio going forward if you're huge and don't really care about what's going on with the

the food that we need to produce and need to eat in this country, you're gonna continue to take that check and how do we change that aspect of agriculture and get away from writing these million dollar checks to individuals or investment firms or in some cases even other countries because they have worked through those loopholes in this country to make sure that they can

prosper off of us and we don't even know about it most of the time.

If you're just joining us, Darren Von Ruden is our guest on Matt and Air on Air.

He's the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union, obviously talking about the tariffs.

We want to play a clip for you, Darren, from the Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins, who talked about now.

Again, everyone is paying higher prices because of the tariffs.

So essentially, when Donald Trump cuts a check to our farmers, he is paying the farmers back money they have already paid in the extra money they're paying on items that have tariffs.

But Brooke Rollins, Trump's agriculture secretary, says this is a

This is a great thing.

Calvin, let's play that clip, please.

Can you tell us a little bit more about President Trump's plan to use tariff money to pay farmers?

What does that look like?

How much are we talking about?

How long will that program last?

You know, it is a very elegant solution, right?

The amount of tariff money that is coming into our country is stunning.

The president had a vision.

He's effectuating the vision.

The vision is pretty remarkable.

The whole entire world economy is now realigning around American products, which is incredible.

Again, to this moment of uncertainty, the ability to offset any payments to the farmers through potential tariff revenue is really where the president wants us to head.

And that's what we're looking at very soon.

One more.

It's an elegant solution for a problem that this administration created.

Yeah, and they created it back in 2018 and we're gonna have the same exact result this time That means the farmers are gonna be pushed out of business because we can't just we can't afford to stay in in business and You know and if there was a market out there that could replace losing the Chinese market that we're losing We wouldn't have some of the issues that we're having but there is no market out there.

That's that big that can

consume that much of our soybean crop.

We're working on some things right now in this country trying to develop new markets for soybeans, but those markets are five, seven years down the road.

So in the meantime, 40 to 50% of our farmers are probably going to have to call it quits and move on to something else because they simply can't stay in business because they don't have a cash flow.

But doesn't this go back to Trump's first agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, who said at the time, it's go big or go home?

And if you can't, if you can't, if you can't go big, then yeah, you're going to lose your farm and you're going to get bought up by somebody else.

Yeah, which is scary though, because at some point the only the only people or the only businesses that will be able to afford the farmland and the farms that are getting bigger is either large multinational.

corporations or foreign entities.

And, you know, we can't afford to let our food system get into the control of somebody that's not the true American company or true American farmers.

Do you I'm not asking I don't I don't want you to speak on behalf of all the farmers.

That would be very tough for you to do that.

But obviously, we've talked about this in the past.

Some farmers voted for Trump.

Some farmers did not.

What are you seeing on essentially the back end of this now where like we are post-election, we are almost a year into this first year of his second term.

And you mentioned it when we first got on the air that there is a general sense of not excited and there's a lot of, you know, uncertainty.

But the conversations you're hearing, what are you just hearing from people as far as just the farmers, like the things they're looking for?

Because I mean, I'm not a farmer, Jane's not a farmer.

I mean, I imagine you just need leadership and you need partnership.

But is there also any like resentment towards the way that you guys are being treated saying like, all right, we're going to slash your marketplace, but we're going to give you some money and then we'll see if you can do anything.

But that's, you know, I just I'm very curious on what the conversations are being had at the kitchen table.

Yeah, so, you know, private conversations, there's a lot of anxiety, but also, you know, what the heck is going on?

You know, I'm hearing more and more from farmers that that I know voted for Trump are saying, you know, this is this absolute stupidity.

It's it's nuts that we're in this situation We should be doing something different.

But if you want them to come and say it in public, they're probably not

gonna say sure

Yeah, sure, you know the issue there is is how do how do we as leaders in agriculture?

You know, and I'm in that spot.

How do we?

make them realize that it does not pay to continue to vote for a party that doesn't care about farmers.

The most frustrating part in my position too is my counterpart in the state's largest farm organization has been really quiet on this.

And we're not hearing anything out of that organization.

And yet for four years, Biden couldn't do anything right.

And we're in a lot worse shape today than we were.

six months ago, even, you know, in a year ago, we were in a lot better shape because we had really good prices for, for most commodities.

And beef, pea prices were going up and they're, they're holding up.

They're going to be there for a while.

But when you look at corn and soybeans, those farmers are in a world they're hurt and, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.

Darin, I almost wonder.

It feels, again, and I'm going back to the first time around with Donald Trump and Sonny Perdue saying, well, go big or go home.

It almost feels like there is a push for some of our farmers to fail.

So they get bought up by big companies.

Let's not forget JD Vance, the vice president of the United States, helped back a company called Acre Trader, which opens up Farmland and foreclosed Farmland to investors.

Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, it's a terrible situation that we're in because not only are the farmers that have been farming for decades, maybe really in trouble, but how do you get that next generation started?

And when you have companies like that that are just doubling and tripling the cost of land throughout the country, you know, you can't get the next generation started.

And if you're lucky enough to have a uncle or an aunt or

father or mother you know that owns some land and they're willing to give you somewhat of a break you can certainly get into it but you know trying to start that next generation is really really difficult right now and here in our area of land prices in the last five years have just about tripled so trying to get that next generation and younger folks

unless you've been given a silver spoon like our president has, you simply can't get into the business.

Well, and let's Scott Bassent is another one in the Trump administration who I understand owns many, many, many acres of soybeans.

I believe in North Dakota.

And again, if we start losing some of these smaller farms, they're going to sell and they're going to get bought up by much bigger guys.

Yeah you know the biggest thing is diversity and you know we're going away from diversity going into the concentration mode at a faster pace today than we have in the last five decades and if we don't get back to that diversity our food system is going to be in a world of hurt.

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Sorry, I was about to say something and I realized you were still talking that is I apologize.

That's okay

I'll take it from here.

We're joined by Darren Von Ruden, who is the president.

I talked before in public folks.

I'm sorry.

What happened right there?

Wisconsin Farmers Union, he is the president.

He joins us once a month to talk about all things farming.

And I know that I actually mentioned to you during the break that we would talk to him about his trip to Washington, your trip, you take a trip to Washington, but also something I remember that Darren did want to speak about was the fact that the government is shut down and how that is affecting the farmers right now.

I mean, I imagine that

Payments and and and partnerships are being held to account and just sparkling right now while the government's doing nothing

Yeah, you know and certainly it's your end so farmers are getting their year-end reports done Can't get those into the Farm Service Agency offices because they're not open

Employees have been locked out of their computers so they can't even try to do anything for farmers if they if they could You know, it's just a it's a real frustration Ultimately, yes that payment schedule will happen of there's conservation payments that Come out every once in a while.

So that could be impacted by it and and just really looking at what's going on Talking with a neighbor here the other day.

He said, you know, why are our

House of Representatives and our Senators and the President even getting paid during this time because they don't want to pay other federal employees so they shouldn't begin to paycheck right now too and it's you know real frustration out there on the hypocrisy that's not really on both sides but certainly when you look at who's in

control right now.

It's Republicans in all three facets of the government.

And they really need to come to the bargaining table and offer something that the other side will agree with versus what they're doing right now is saying that, no, you have to agree with us on what we want.

And, you know, they need the Democrats' help to get the government back open.

And right now they're not doing anything to try to make that happen.

And Darren, I have to wonder,

I mean, where do farmers get their health insurance?

Well, you know, there's a vast majority of us that are in the ACA.

So, you know, looking at that process, you're going to take the government check for the subsidy on your crops.

but you don't believe that you should get the subsidy for the insurance premium and your neighbors in urban America and the cities across the country shouldn't get that subsidy either.

So it's all right if you get it for the farm, but you shouldn't get it for anything else.

And what's good for the goose should be good for the gander is what I always say.

And let's keep the playing field level versus trying to offset.

Well,

these car votes, right?

These special group car

votes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, and the president has done an agriculture too.

He certainly has made sure that the commodity farmers, especially corn and soybean farmers, get a payment as part of the big, beautiful bill.

They yet took everything away from all of the small producers across the country and those that are in most need of, you know, a little bit of help right now have absolutely no way to

get those dollars from the federal government because there's no programs available for it anymore.

And Jane, I'm glad you asked the question and Darren giving the answer because that's something I think really needs to be repeated is that, you know, when we think of the ACA, when we think of benefits, whether it's SNAP, Medicare, Medicaid, we tend to put the people who want to do away with it or quote, save it.

They want to put it on the heads of people who live in cities, the ne'er-do-wells, the lazy, the shiftless, all those guys watching television doing nothing in their mother's basement.

But farmers take part in the ACA.

Farmers take part in Medicare and Medicaid.

Farmers avail themselves to these, snap benefits.

They avail themselves to these benefits.

This group that you belong to, who are so lauded by our politicians, are consistently being used as

you know, ponds and then all of your benefits with ours too are being taken away and and but they get to control the narrative and say oh it's these terrible people who are fraughting and lazy and misusing but really it's a guy maybe up in northern wisconsin who needs the aca to get health insurance and he's like i can't pay 75 increases on my premium well sorry

yeah yeah so our my son and daughter in law are in the aca program because

uh

Brett's farming and Nicole is doing a part-time taking care of grandkids and a couple other kids here.

And so health insurance is the only way they can get it through the ACA.

And they're looking at their premiums under the current proposals to go up $300 a month.

They don't have that kind of money laying around to go up.

And certainly the WIC program has helped in the past.

And rural America, especially farmers, if you're going to just farm, trying to find insurance is absolutely impossible.

And the AC program has definitely helped a lot of farmers across the country.

And now we're looking at, yeah, getting a payment on one side, but getting in the shorts on the other end.

We're gonna keep talking with Darren Von Ruden.

He joins us once a month.

We always have...

One day, Darren will just sit and talk about recipes.

You know, we'll talk about great things to do with cheese.

This is not

that

time, unfortunately.

Darren Von Ruden is the president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union.

He joins us once a month.

Thank you so very much, Darren.

We'll see you in a couple of weeks.

Thank you, Jane and Greg.

Appreciate it.

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This is the portion of the show where we like to take a breath, get away from the news, we call it Audio Sorbet.

But today, it's a special version.

called audio gripe

well let me tell you something boy

get off my lawn audio gripe here it is why do people share photos of their injuries and or scars

what happened to you

i have a close relative that i love dearly wonderful who had foot surgery you i know and uh

Talking the other day just texting back and forth how you doing how you feeling you up and around it's I and I know baby That's a pain in the neck having any surgery family who have to talk to well No, I love my family, but and it's like do you want so she had this surgery and she said do you want to see a picture of my foot and I said as Delightful as that sounds no, thank you

But here's the question I have for you did this person then share a picture

of their foot.

No.

See that right there I feel is amazing because there's a lot of individuals out there we've all been there where they say you want to see a picture of something and it's not so much a question as it is a setup to say you're going to see a picture of something.

Whether you want to

or not.

Whether you'd like it or not and then you have to be and then no your full Midwestern takes over and you look and inside your head like I don't want to see this picture but you don't have the temerity to say

I didn't get a chance to answer or no, thank you.

So you are left.

I just, I want to say shout out to your, to your friend or relative, your relative who listened and

did not share.

Did not inflict the photo on me, but I, I don't, I, I don't, I don't get that.

I don't get, here's my scar.

Let me show you.

Here's, here's, I broke my leg.

Let me, here, let me take a picture and show you the four places I broke, no.

Now, why?

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, are you a sender of said pictures?

Or are you like me and the unwilling recipient of said pictures?

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2,

What is it?

No, I don't want to, no, thank you.

Really, I'm

good.

I feel like this has happened a lot.

You came in hot with this one today.

You're like, I'm like, okay, and you just declared, and then you had the nerve to say it was audio survey.

I'm like, this is audio

gripe.

And that's where we put it, put it into audio gripe.

Because I am complaining.

And I haven't been on Facebook since.

2019.

Oh, that must be amazing.

It is.

It's fabulous.

But when I was still on Facebook, people would share photos of like, here's a picture of my mother in the hospital where she's recovering from pneumonia.

Why would you share that?

I don't mean what

I, I, I feel like I'm trying to find reasons to defend the actions because I'm not the type of person that does that either.

I wouldn't share a picture of myself or oh first of all, I'm not sharing a picture of anyone else unless it's a We went to the park or we like when my wife and I bought a house we Here's

our new house.

There's our new

house like something that's celebratory or marking a milestone I get that But not if I was in the hospital and most definitely not someone else we're like click here's my friend they're in the hospital.

No, that's

feels like an

invasion of privacy.

Absolutely.

That's what I thought too.

Here's my mother recovering from pneumonia in the hospital wave, grandma.

But no.

PJ on the live stream says because scars are like a badge of honor, aka battle scars from life.

I get that and that's pretty dramatic, but.

There does something to say like, hey, you want to see my scar?

And then if you want to say yes, then go ahead and say, I have a friend who I ask all the time, do you want to see a picture of this?

And it's never anything offensive or like, but he's always like, always send it.

always do it.

I'm like, he wants to see it all.

No, I'm gonna ask you anyways, because you never know.

Mainly because I don't know if you're at work or not.

But yeah, I mean, I get it.

Like, there's some like, you lift up, you lift up your shirt, and you're like, Oh, man, this is from this is from when I was a kid, and we got the shots, we used to get a dent in our skin because we were tougher back then.

I get that.

Yeah, I mean, again, this is where I fought off the bear.

That's that's one kind of scar as opposed to I broke my leg.

Here's a picture of my broken leg.

Do you send, or are you like me and you don't want to receive, photos of injuries and scars?

Or other maladies.

Ooh, maladies, good word.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4.

Maybe I'm the only person in the world.

You're not the only person

in the world.

That gets these requests.

By the way, don't text them into the text line to us to make a point, either.

Please thank you.

What pictures of your scars?

Yes.

No, that's okay.

We're good.

Yeah.

Do you do this?

I mean, and I would love to know why you want to share your scar photos.

Or are you like me and you don't send me the foot?

I don't need to know.

Thanks.

Okay.

I don't even like to look at my own body.

Why would I like to look at yours?

Okay.

All right.

That's where like for me, my sister and I are very different because like she will

watch those Dr. Pimple Popper videos.

So I have no doubt in my mind if I said, Hey, look, my thumb fell off.

She'd be like, I need to see a picture of that right now.

Yeah, we're, I don't understand.

I mean, that's a whole other topic.

You know, why would you watch videos of that?

But yeah, I don't, I mean, and that's a big thing.

Yeah.

Oh my

gosh.

Yeah.

It's millions of millions of subscribers, millions of views.

And I understand the visceral

base sense of it all like oh my gosh what's good what's you know what's gonna happen then the end is kind of

in the name of the title and

it

built

in the doctor Jonathan Pimple Popper I feel like was born to do this wait a minute I'm hearing I'm hearing breaking news that is not their last name for real for real it's a different last name

This opens up everything.

Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like I'm on your side.

I don't have, I mean, I do not have the flurry of photographic evidence of various scars, injuries, or whatnot sent to me, but I feel bad for you, apparently, just flooding in.

Well, maybe I'm just squeamish.

I don't know if it's, well, I mean... Okay, so if I sent you a picture...

of, let's say, a bad cut of my finger.

Is your first, is it gonna be like, gross, I can't look at it?

Or is it like, why'd you send this to me?

I would be, why did you send this to

me?

I

don't think you're squeamish.

I just think you have a thing of like, I don't want to see these things.

Why?

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Yeah.

I have a very close relative.

I love an adore.

Just had some foot surgery and we were texting the other day and

She said, you want to see a picture of my foot?

I said, gee, thanks.

That was so, no.

You know, it's, you know, it sucks.

Is that, that, that person, that relative was like, oh man, I wanted to show her my phone.

Like, you bummed them out.

That was the thing is you were, you were the

cool water and they're hot party.

I did, I destroyed the vibe.

You're a vibe.

I'm a vibe

killer.

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