What Could Go Wrong With A Handshake? (Hour 2)

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After the bottom of the hour news break, we welcome Jim Santel, who is a former US attorney, current practicing attorney, knower of things, host of amicus, a law review, which is available Saturdays on civic media.

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every Saturday he hosts amicus a law review where he gives you a breakdown of everything that's going on that's important in the world of law he will be joining us at 9 35 and then it's Thursday Calvin by the way Calvin Butenhof on the board sweet Cal B. If you're watching the live stream, he's really trying to hide the fact he's yawning right now Calvin.

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morning Gregory.

I'm I'm doing fantastic, you know, it's Thursday.

We almost made it to the end of another week.

Yeah

And then we got the holiday weekend coming up.

We do indeed.

And you called me Gregory, which was very, very odd, but I'll take it.

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You can call me that.

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And we're going over what's going on in the show today at 10, 20, about 10, actually 10, 22 today.

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We still have the best record in baseball.

We still have

We're still number one miles ahead of everybody else in, in, in the division, but lost some games, a little bit of panic.

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We're going, we're doing well.

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With what happened yesterday in Minneapolis, a tragic tragedy hit in Minneapolis yesterday, Robin W. Westman is the gunman who opened fire, opened fire and killed two children and injured 17 others.

This is coming by way of the New York Times, Talia Minsberg, Amy Harmon and Arik Tolar with the byline.

I really wanted to share this because if you don't already know Robin who ended her life after the events was a trans woman and I'm seeing a lot of course Calvin this should come as no shock to you.

There's a lot of outrage from a certain part of the internet about the fact that Robin was a trans woman and That is just the fact of the matter.

She was a trans woman and she committed this heinous heinous crime

There's no getting around that and there's no Defending anything because I think I think what's happening is people are trying to write a narrative that because she was trans there should be some sort of you know, well I Mean that's different then no she committed a horrific crime.

She killed children.

She injured others and What I want to put across here is that just like all of the other people the gunman who committed terrible terrible acts

whether it's in schools or any sort of mass shootings.

This is about mental health.

This isn't just a woman who woke up one day and said, I'm trans, I'm going to start, I'm going to commit murder and I'm going to hurt others.

This is someone, if you look at the article that I'm going to post in the New York Times, this was someone who was not well and it had nothing to do with her being, well, I shouldn't say that.

I won't say that.

Being trans didn't cause this, I will say that, because if that were the case, we'd see a lot more people in this situation.

We see people from all different backgrounds committing these sorts of crimes, committing these horrific, horrific acts.

And I want to take the component of, well, who were they?

I want to look at the component of the mental health, where were they at?

And it says very clearly that Ms.

Westman kept a journal.

That journal was full of very very disturbing information.

It was had Things regarding anti-Semitism and racism and a hatred for Donald Trump.

So this is not this to me is not of time when we're gonna say, you know She was trans.

That's is why she did it.

I don't think that's true at all I think this was a person who needed help who didn't get it and unfortunately it led to this and that goes for the people who if they are

White Christian males who are walking into churches and doing this.

There is something wrong with you with mental health if this is where you're being taken.

And that is the conversation we need to have and actually have a conversation about it because just like any time else, Calvin in America, these shootings happen.

We say thoughts and prayers.

We say, let's not politicize it.

Then we say it's about mental health and then nothing happens.

We don't allocate monies.

either federally or state for mental health.

We don't look deeper into it.

In fact, I mean, for the longest time, if you don't know this, if you don't remember this, the CDC was barred from doing any sort of extensive research on gun play or gun deaths, gun violence, because they don't want to approach the topic that it might be the fact that guns are the problem.

The fact that it is so easy to get a gun in this country.

The fact that we do not, we do not

look at the situation and at least react properly, my opinion.

And what Ms.

Westman did was a tragedy and Ms.

Westman was a trans person, but I do not want to focus on that as a reason why I want to focus on the fact that obviously Ms.

Westman suffered from mental illness, suffered from bad mental health and did not get the help that she needed.

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I want to hear from you on this because it's just it's It happens all the time now as we know this is nothing new this conversation This is not the first second or fifth time we've talked about this on this show and

If it's about mental health, which I believe this is, what can we do about it?

What can we actually do about this?

I would love to hear from you, but feel free to call, feel free to drop a comment in the live stream.

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In other news, Wisconsin governor Tony Evers has requested a presidential disaster declaration from Donald Trump.

Uh, this is coming from the Milwaukee journal Sentinel, uh, Jesse opinion, opinion, appointed, sorry, Jesse appointed with the byline.

Uh, Wisconsin governor Tony Evers has requested a presidential declaration from, uh, Mr. Trump.

As we've reported, we've talked about before in the past few days, he is, uh, he is in town right now doing assessments.

They're looking through a walk shot.

They're looking through Tosa.

They're looking through.

Milwaukee and putting together all their information.

And in the article here, there's a video that shows about the help that putting your information into 211 does.

So again, and we're going to keep talking about this until, well, until they don't need the information anymore, but they'll probably take it anytime.

If you have been affected by the floods, go to 211 and put in your information.

Tell them what has happened to you, whether it's your property, whether it's your car, whether

No matter how you've been affected, if you've been affected by the flood, go to 211 and you can put in your information.

That helps FEMA.

That helps state research a lot.

And they actually say in the video that they assess the damage through the reports they get, plus also knocking at doors.

You might get a knock on your door if you live in the affected areas.

You might not.

If you do not, do not worry.

It does not mean they're like skipping over you or that you might not get help if there are funds to be distributed, but they have a plan on how they assess the damage.

And it is through boots on the ground right now, knocking on doors, talking to people and also assessing through 211.

So if you've been affected, go to 211, put in your report, you can call.

I'm assuming it'll probably be very busy.

You can, you can also do it online.

Very simple.

It makes it a lot easier.

I know that Jane has talked about this.

She, she,

put her information into 211 as well, very easy, and then was able to get along with her day.

And we also spoke earlier this week that FEMA, speaking of FEMA, FEMA staffers wrote a letter of warning to Donald Trump saying that the actions being taken by the administration to cut funding, to cut resources to other states when they're

being affected by natural disasters, such in the case of Wisconsin, such in the case of Arkansas, North Carolina, and Texas, and California, that when we do this with FEMA, that we are, are at risk, as they say, of a Katrina level disaster.

About 180 employees wrote onto the letter.

We've talked about this from the Washington Post.

And I wanted to give you an update on that if you haven't heard, but FEMA employees,

have been placed on leave after criticizing the Trump administration in an open letter.

NBC News reporting this yesterday.

It seems like when you speak up, even in defense of the people, democracy, the process, you could call it the bureaucracy, but the process of FEMA, there will be consequences.

At least 21 federal emergency management agencies employees have been put on administrative leave after they signed an open letter.

criticizing the Trump administration's disaster preparedness and response capabilities.

That's coming from the article by Laura Strickler and Rebecca Shabbat Shabbat.

Coletta Della Wallo, who is also the executive director of the group stand up for science said Wednesday.

that the two, two of the employees who were placed on leave were working in the Kerr County, Texas during the ongoing response to the devastating floods in July.

They learned that they were placed on leave.

So it turns out in the Trump administration, if you speak up on behalf of the people, but it doesn't go with what Donald Trump likes, you will be placed on leave and possibly fire because that is just the way it goes.

If you don't stand up for Donald Trump, you don't stand up at all.

And that is where we're at.

And that's where we're going to keep going.

And

Frankly, it scares me to death.

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My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane, Matt and air who is currently vacating deservedly and in a probably relaxing way.

And I'm very, very happy for her.

Can't wait to see her when she comes back.

We are here talking right now on the, on the show about.

A couple of couple of things are going on the shooting in Minneapolis as well as FEMA funding and how that can pertain to Wisconsin.

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We'd love to hear from you here in some comments on the text line here.

TJ listening on WISS in Oshkosh says in regard with regard to Minneapolis.

What a tragic event less than one tenth of one percent of mass shooters are trans.

Almost all shooters are cis white men.

And those are just the facts.

And there has been some consternation among people who don't want to recognize who Robin Westman was as a trans woman and referring to her as a man, which is disgusting.

And I don't know, doesn't help the conversation at all.

But people are getting upset that they are referring to her as a white man and then saying that all shooters, the conversation is so muddled now.

And I want to bring it back to this is about mental health.

And

This country needs to do something seriously about mental health.

We need to do something about guns.

Trust me.

But if we're going to talk about mental health as a way of diverting from gun reform, then we actually need to put our money where the mouths are and actually put money towards mental health.

We can't do that when we're also defunding 988.

suicide emergency hotlines for trans and queer kids.

So that's just another comment.

Lee and Racine listening on WA UK says, this is a weak analogy, but nonetheless, it might make sense to people with flooding.

If there is water leaking into your basement, you need to correct the condition that causes the leak.

You may need to build up the ground around your foundation or repair the cracks in the foundation.

You need to address the problem.

Before the basement floods.

Ah, this is a I see this is going with with the mental health issue in regards to guns and mass killing The issue needs to be addressed for individuals when the signs first appear before the health issues become a disaster We tend to minimize mental health because most of us don't understand it very well We need to destigmatize the mental health issues and help people just as they We do when they are physically ill absolutely started the foundation build up and build around and make it stronger

Fabulous, fabulous analogy.

Lee, I love it.

Thank you so much, both Lee and TJ for reaching out on the text line.

Always love hearing from you guys.

Um, yeah, it's just, it's, it's a frustrating conversation to have.

Calvin, I'm sure you've listened to me and Jane talk about it.

If you're listening or reading the news, we discuss it all the time.

It is mental health.

It is access to guns.

And that is a discussion that we also currently have, but

This to me feels like a mental health issue.

If you read the New York Times article and I will post it in the show notes, this was someone who was deeply disturbed and needed help and either wasn't reached or couldn't be reached, but that is the conversation.

And we need to have leaders in Washington, in Madison, in our local areas.

We need to...

We need to actually do something about this.

So Jim from Brookfield listening on WA UK said, Greg, you state the trans aspect of the Minnesota shooting.

Well, thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

The focus should not be on the fact that the shooter was trans, but why they aren't more, why there aren't more red laws in places to prevent these tragedies.

There are often many red flag, there are often many red flag laws prior to shooting, no matter what or who the person is.

Yes.

If we do something about it ahead of time, it's about pro.

Pro acts of being proactive, not being reactive, but in this state of matter in United States of America with as many shootings as we have, it seems like we're always going to be reactive, but we're not reacting at all.

We do the same thing every time.

It happens.

It's a tragedy.

We've lost lives.

Children are gone.

People are injured.

We talk about what we should do.

We are talking.

I do not have the power to legislate.

I can call my legislators, my representatives.

You can do that by going to my vote dot w i dot gov.

and telling them what you think about this and telling them what you want to see happen.

But ultimately, we're putting our, I don't want to say trust, because I don't trust some of these individuals, but we put our belief and we allow the power to some people to represent us.

and do something about it.

And if they're not doing it, we need to look at options.

We need to look at who is out there who is going to run to actually be the will and the voice of the people because that is representative democracy.

And that's how it's done.

Unless you want to run yourself, Kelvin, do you want to run for office?

You know, I thought about it one day in the past, but I think I've realized that it's not.

Quite for me.

All right.

Well, I was gonna say, I'd run your campaign if you want, but if you guess if you don't want to run.

But yeah, I mean, that is the thing is you can go to my vote.wi.gov.

Look up who represents you by putting your information in there.

It will give you everyone from the president down to the dog catcher if you still vote for them.

And you can call them, you can write them, you can visit them if they have the, if they give office hours.

We always ask that you be respectful when you do that.

If you're calling, you're not gonna be talking to the representative.

You're gonna be talking to an aide or an intern.

But we want you to be respectful, but be honest.

Tell them what you think of things like this.

Because yes, it was in Minneapolis, but they're next door.

They're our next door neighbor.

And that doesn't mean we're precluded from it happening to us.

It's happened here in Wisconsin.

We've had these events happen in Wisconsin.

And frankly, we need people in charge who are going to do something about it.

And this seems like it's going to be the same path.

It's going to be event, chatter, misinformation, and then we wait.

for the next time for it to happen.

And it's becoming tiresome.

And I'm tired of seeing anyone get killed, especially children in this matter.

But yeah, go to my vote.wi.gov for more information.

Again, if you were affected by the flood, if you live in an area that was affected by the flood, we were talking about it earlier about the FEMA declaration or the request for a declaration from Governor Evers on it, go to 211, put in your information, let them know how you were affected by the floods that happened this month.

And you can hopefully be part of the solution.

Maybe getting a knock on the door from a FEMA worker.

If not, don't worry about it.

Check out the show notes for today and find out more about how FEMA is going around the neighborhoods doing that good, good work.

When we come back from the break, when we come back from the bottom of the hour news, we have Jim Santel, host of amicus, a law review talking about all of the important things in the news, including a story from right here in Milwaukee.

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Attorney, current practicing attorney and coming to us live from an undisclosed location in a governmental building.

Mr. Jim Santel, Jim, thank you so much for joining us as you do every Thursday.

Greg, always a pleasure to be with you and once again this morning lots of things.

in the news as you've just been noting, regardless of where I'm coming from, right?

It's all important and all significant to talk about and great pleasure as always to be here.

Absolutely.

And when we were discussing in our pre-show chat about what to talk about, you mentioned the, you know, addressing what's going on in Minneapolis.

And you

wanted to comment on that as far as what works in addressing gun violence.

And you've worked, I mean, you've worked in

government and you've worked in the law and you've seen what works and what doesn't.

And I wanted you to speak about that for a moment as well.

Absolutely.

A couple things in connection with my prior employment as an assistant US Attorney and US Attorney.

The reality is that federal law enforcement at least in prior administrations has been enforcing the gun violence laws that are on the books.

We do those prosecutions all the time.

If people are possessing weapons, they should not have

They are prosecuted, they are sentenced, and most often they're incarcerated.

So there's no reason that somehow the government is not prosecuting those crimes.

That should be dismissed as being unfounded.

Most importantly, however, when we think about this, we know what works.

We know what works.

We had a 10-year ban in this country on assault weapons.

And what happened from 1994 to 2004 before the sunset?

The answer is that the incidences of mass shootings, again, situations where you have at least four people who are shot, maybe killed at shot, that's a mass shooting in America, those drop precipitously during that decade.

Congress did not re-up that prohibition and then we're back to where we are today.

We know about things like emergency violent protective orders where the red flags that you want to call her we're talking about before those work as well going into court and say you know what Mr. Santel seems to be suffering from some mental illness.

He shouldn't have a gun for a temporary period of time.

Let's remove that from him until that issue is addressed.

those work as well.

Home safety provisions, of course, background checks.

And in all those jurisdictions, Greg, you know this well, we're around the country.

We have states have adopted variations on this.

There are incidents of local gun violence, drops and has remained low for long periods of time.

So again, we know this is not a matter of having to do more research.

We don't need more discussion.

No more national conversation is beyond and talked about it.

We know what works.

Let's do that.

advocate in Madison, other places around the country, and yes, in our Congress for these reasonable, rational restrictions on firearms use and abuse.

By the way, nothing about the Supreme Court's decisions prohibits the government from imposing restrictions on these kinds of things.

Who told us that?

Antonin Scalia told us.

There's nothing that we can do.

Exactly.

So all of that, again, in the midst of this latest, as you have noted so very poignantly, latest tragedy, and regrettably, there will be more in this year, in this month, in the coming months.

And we need desperately as you have advocated so eloquently this morning, other times.

We know what works.

Let's do it.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I was looking it up and it was December of 2024 at Abundant Life Christian School.

in Madison where something similar happened.

And, you know, we had the conversation.

It hit close to home because it was Wisconsin.

We talked about it.

It was, it was national news.

And I remember talking about it.

I was, I was actually, I believe Jane was actually out for, for a reason.

And we were talking about this.

And I went to a website that's dedicated to tracking all of the mass shootings here in America.

And there were five that day that no one talked about because abundant life was the, was the most

I would say newsworthy.

I don't want to say tragic.

They're all tragic and I don't want to say anything other than Sensational enough for the news to cover it.

We weren't talking about them because they happen so often So many times in a day in this country and just look at around the world when you look at you look at other countries I watched a video about a shooting in in Ireland in the 90s and over a two-year period they banned weapons right and

They don't have that problem anymore.

And I know that's a hot button sentence to say when I say banning weapons, because people then automatically jump on that instead of really what we're talking about, which is the core issue to the problem is sensible laws, prosecution, mental health awareness, mental health, access to mental health services.

And we go from there.

I'm not, I'm not so naive that I think that everyone's going to walk into the Congress and go, we're getting rid of guns tomorrow.

But there is a claim to be made about countries who see these kinds of tragedies and actually do the work.

Right.

Right.

Absolutely.

It's got to be that entire package.

You just listed them.

Well, Greg, you hit on all of those.

And again, are you going to prohibit and eliminate all gun violence?

No.

That's unrealistic, regrettably.

But you're going to make it reduced dramatically in those places overseas that have done this.

Remember the story once again in New Zealand, when again, extraordinarily they have these events.

And what happens?

Legislature very quickly comes in and says we're going to impose some of those once again, reasonable, rational restrictions.

and i'm not afraid of the b-word you are not either we can ban certain things we ban silencers we ban assault weapons why assault weapons are weapons of war they are intended to do one thing which is mow people down when i was in iraq i saw those assault weapons routinely there are weapons of war there is no reason in america and there's no no constitutional prohibition

on getting rid of them in this nation as well because they do not meet the standards established by the Supreme Court.

They're weapons of war, not in a domestic environment where we live together as a common society.

Let's get rid of those and do other things that can make us more safe.

Love it.

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He's here every Thursday to talk about what's going on in the news with regard to law and something very close to home.

I know we've been talking a lot about.

Jeffrey Epstein in the past few weeks, but there have been some developments in the Judge Dugan case out of Milwaukee.

Jim, can you give us a little rundown of what happened and what it came out of the courts this week?

Yeah, absolutely.

This is important again.

Hannah Dugan charged in a federal indictment basically with with undermining the conduct of one of our federal agencies.

We all know the alleged story there and the indictment that she's facing.

She filed through her attorneys a couple of motions.

One of them basically said that gee, if Donald Trump is immune from prosecution,

I should be also associated with an immunity defense.

And then she also filed something called a 10th Amendment defense, which sounds very wonky, but we all understand it.

It's basically saying, gee, this is a state matter.

She's a state court judge in the state court proceeding.

Federal government should have no involvement.

10th Amendment basically says there's a separation between those.

It's kind of the state's rights version.

Inside our Constitution.

So that's pending a magistrate judge.

Her name is Nancy Joseph a little while ago She recommended to judge Lynn Edelman

who is presiding over the case recommended that that he deny those two motions.

And sure enough, just early this week, Judge Edelman adopted that.

And here's what he said.

He said, there's no basis for granting immunity simply because some of the allegations in the indictment, again, the charging document against Anna Dugan describe conduct that could be considered.

part of the judge's job.

He puts that in quotes, and he said, as the magistrate judge noted, the same is true in the bribery prosecutions, concededly valid, where the judges were prosecuted for performing official acts intertwined with bribery.

What is he saying with all that?

He says, well, you know what?

This is kind of a mixed situation.

He says it may well be that there may be some criminal conduct here.

It's mixed in with her role plainly as a sitting circuit court judge.

And basically he says, I'm going to let the jury sort that out.

He also then dismisses the 10th Amendment argument says no Then at least as to hear the government still can still go ahead So it is undeniably a victory if you will be speaking those terms all criminal prosecution courses of tragedy also Yeah, victory for the government.

It is a loss for the defense But but what the judge also said again the presiding judge he said before we go to trial I want to know whether or not you're going to appeal my decision

That would go, Greg, as you and Calvin know well to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

And he's scheduled a hearing for in the middle of next week.

Everybody's going to come in.

More reporting on this show and others, obviously, about what the parties say.

Almost certainly, Hannah Dugan, through her very good attorneys, know them well, and they're...

very effective, even though they were not successful this time.

We'll almost certainly say we're going to take what's called an interlocutory appeal, another one of those big, fancy legal words out there.

We're going to take this to the seventh circuit to determine whether or not Judge Edelman is right or wrong on that.

The effect of that will be to delay this, unlikely we'll see a trial anytime in this calendar year, much more likely into 2026 or beyond, again, depending upon what the Court of Appeals has done.

So movement forward in the case,

but not closer to real disposition.

Charge is still pending.

She still remains a judge, but administrative leave, she is not on the bench.

And while this is all pending.

That was by my next question statement is that she currently is not, she is not on the bench because

she

has, but she had her, she was suspended by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which at the time, and still the current makeup of the liberal Supreme Court, they did it as a matter of process, as a matter of, this is what you do.

I guess for me, like,

You've got to watch the you've got to watch it all play out But I just keep thinking back to that video and the statements.

This was not some This was not some plan that was hatched.

It was literally her show and this gentleman to the door Accessing the same hallway as these ice agents riding on an elevator with these ice agents Exiting the building and then being detained and no and and Jim I am Rarely called smart ever

But from what

I

see, I can't see any sort of criminal conspiracy to commit any sort of obstruction.

Right.

And you know what?

I'm going to describe you as smart because I think your comments are just that.

What the judge is basically saying here is, you know what?

On these kind of esoteric, it gets a lot kind of arguments.

I'm not going to take this away from the jury.

We all know that when cases go to trial, when you've got witnesses on the stand who describe Greg exactly what you're just describing here, who is saying what to whom?

Tell me about the dynamics.

Show me where the elevator is.

Tell me what was happening in the courtroom, in the hallway, what discussions we're having.

All that becomes more factually relevant.

And basically the judge is saying, I want the jury to decide that to sort this out.

And it's often the case, this has been my practice and the practice of any other litigating and turning out there.

Difference between pre-trial motions, getting rid of or not getting rid of cases and taking them to trial, we'll see what happens.

Even the 7th Circuit affirms, Judge Edelman, there's a long way to go before you get a conviction here based upon precisely the observations, Greg, that you have wisely, smartly made right now.

Well, when we come back, Richard, I see you on the call line.

If you can just hold on for a moment, we'll take you on the other side of our water moment.

We're going to keep the conversation going with Jim Santel, who is the host of Amicus, a law review, former U.S.

attorney, current practicing attorney.

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Welcome back to Matt and air.

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We are talking to Mr. Jim Santel, who is a former US attorney, current practicing attorney, host of amicus, a law review, which is available on civic media live nine to 11 every Saturday morning.

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Wherever you would like if you want to get in touch with us, you can always do that by calling or texting 855-752-4842-855-75 civic or leave a comment on the live stream We are currently streaming on Facebook YouTube and what used to be and is still Twitter because we don't call it by that new name talking to Jim about Everything going on in Milwaukee with Judge Hannah Dugan some information coming out about the latest steps in the

Case two, I would say get rid of her.

But before we do that, I want to get to the call line, Richard from Walkshops and very patient.

Richard, what's say you about this morning?

Well, I've been listening to discussion of the shooting and I'm wondering if I'm off-track or not.

But did anybody ever think of the fact that, you know, when we had the situation with smoking cigarettes on TV,

And they, and they stopped it.

Yeah.

Is there a problem possibly with the shooting with all of this gaming with shooting participation and this television and movie situations?

Do you think there's some kind of connection with some of these people with their mental health?

I mean,

Well, with regard to the individuals themselves, I am, I first of all, not a doctor.

Don't even play one on TV, Richard.

Thank you so much for the question.

It's a conversation that's been had for a long time.

Jim, I'm sure you've seen it in the courtrooms.

Does our gun culture influence our violence?

And I personally, this is just me.

I don't speak for Jim, Calvin, civic media or anybody, but to me, it seems like

Gun culture will affect those who are suffering from mental illnesses possibly.

I watch movies with that glorify violence.

I read books that glorify violence.

I've played video games that glorify violence.

I do not feel I'm a violent person.

I do not feel inspired by that media to do anything.

It's a very nuanced conversation, Richard.

Jim, what are your thoughts?

I agree with you, right?

And it is the difference between observing those things, sometimes listening to those things, and recognizing what you just said, Greg, which is all of that is made up, right?

It's not real.

And again, the medical folks with whom I speak and you speak and others also say that it's a misrepresentation about the human body and those kinds of things, but putting all that to one side.

when you are, whether it's movies or television or even books, that sort of thing, it's recognizing the difference between those two things.

There may be some First Amendment issues out there and the rational people being able to say, okay, I can observe those things.

I can consume those as a part of my own personal, maybe education or entertainment.

But that is the best where the line is drawn.

I'm

not

going to go out and do those kinds of things because I recognize that what I'm consuming over here is not real.

It's not a part of the the actual world.

However, Richard's on to something else, of course, law enforcement will tell you, as I'm sure they are doing right now with respect to Minneapolis and all the other cases, that we do have what is regrettably called a copycat problem in this nation, which is when one of these happens, you tend to get even more

them because for some reason once again it prompts people to think oh that's a solution to my problems it happened there maybe I should do that that of course is again not only skewed mentality it's completely erroneous logic but we do see that in law enforcement and so it with one thing tends to breed the next

it is all bad and again we can we can solve these things by addressing the entire package Greg as you're saying here including the ways in which we even expose young people some of these images you can make some restrictions on those as parents and teachers and those kinds of things without running a file of basic rights.

Absolutely.

I mean, and that's, I mean, this conversation could be another 10 years long and still be coming up with good solutions on this one.

And Richard, thank you so much for calling in and asking that question.

Cause that's also another thing to consider.

I would just say out loud to people, and I know this might be hard cause it pushes individuals out of their comfort zone.

But if you see someone who is consuming that media and it's starting to make them, it's, you feel, you feel a turn in their personality, something is being influenced or something is happening.

Talk to them.

Talk to someone.

Make yourselves aware because to say like, well, I had no idea what was going on.

Well, then we need to, we as individuals who do not suffer from these problems have to put ourselves in the way of those who do to say, how can I help you?

What's going on?

Or be the person who says, we need to get you more help because there are signs out there.

There are things out there.

They're of Ms.

Westman.

There were videos of her talking on YouTube about this stuff.

So

you know, please do not anyone listen to this, take it as a form of blame.

I'm not as just saying, in order for us to come to a solution, we all have to be part of that solution.

Right.

And Greg, what you've just articulated is basically the premise for these ERPOs or the, again, something that's called red flag loss and basically say, gosh, somebody in employment specifically inside your family.

If I wake up one morning and my family says, you know, Jim is engaging in some behaviors.

He's talking about self-destruction.

He's talking about hurting other people.

And we also know that he has a weapon available to him in his house.

He's got it legally.

No doubt about that.

You can, in fact, go to law enforcement and, again, eventually go to a judge and say, you know what?

We're not violating the Second Amendment.

We're basically saying under these circumstances, let's remove that weapon of danger so that Jim doesn't take his own life or lives of others temporarily.

And the judge can enter that order and say, for this period of time, we're going to keep you more safe.

And that's premised upon what you just said, Greg, which is people coming forward and saying, I'm seeing something, and I'm going to say something to prevent the worst thing from happening.

Yep.

See something, say something.

You've just perfect.

Jim, I always love having you here.

I always appreciate your time and expertise.

Now, go be a lawyer and do your lawyerly things.

You can always listen to Jim Santel on Amicus or hear on Matt Nair on air.

Go to civicmedia.us slash shows for more information on Jim.

Thank you so much, sir.

We'll talk to you next Thursday, right?

When we come back after the after the news, we're going to be talking about a handshake deal between the government and tribal radio stations.

What could go wrong?

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Good, good morning.

Welcome.

Welcome back to Matt and air on air on the civic media radio network.

My name is Greg box sitting in for Jane Matt and air who is currently vacating, relaxing and enjoying life as she deserves to do so.

She'll be back in a little in a few days.

But before that happens, you got me in the big chair and we have a, a lot of great show ahead of you at 10, 20.

We have actually 10, 22, I should say 10, 22.

We have civic media, meteorologists and multi award winner, Brittany Merleau with the weather talking about what's going on this Labor Day weekend, as well as other stories she was working on at 10 35.

Paul Newman for the.

from the ACME packing company is going to be here to talk all things sports, quell my nerves about the brewers.

I know, I know there's nothing to be nervous about, but I'm a brewers fan.

I'm born nervous.

Also talking about the Packers because preseason is done.

We're getting ready for the new season.

And then of course at 1052, the segment that Calvin loves, loves, loves to research.

This shouldn't be a thing today.

It is the dark night rises from bed edition.

You really want to listen to this one.

It's heartwarming as well as got a visual component that is hilarious.

So 1052 is this shouldn't be a thing with that wonderful ending to the show before we're getting closer and closer to the weekend.

Caller, are you getting excited about Labor Day weekend?

I'm absolutely bursting at the seams with it.

Folks, if you don't know our show by now, that's Sweet Calbee on the buttons, the dials, the ones and the twos, and that is literally his bursting at the seams voice.

That's what he sounds like when he is bursting with joy and bursting with fruit flavor.

So, yeah.

Are you doing anything special?

Not that I know of as of right now.

It's probably gonna be the usual low-key weekend.

Gotcha.

How much you

great?

There's a lot of activity happening in the well not the Bach household per se because this is not my my My bloodline family That was weird to say bloodline family.

What is this the Old West my wife's mother my mother-in-law?

It's her 80th birthday coming up next week, and we are getting the families coming in from town

Everyone's coming this weekend and we're going to be celebrating with cookout, with dinners, with hanging out, having fun.

So there's going to be a lot going on, but it'll be fun.

It'll be a good time.

And then I believe Monday will all be off recovering, maybe going to a burgers game.

I don't know yet.

But yeah, that's going to be my Labor Day weekend.

I'd love to hear what's going on with you for Labor Day this weekend.

We could talk more about that also tomorrow because it's Friday.

It says Thursday.

I feel like today's Friday, Kelvin.

It just feels like today's Friday.

I don't know if it's because I'm just very vibrant and it

happy to be alive today, but it just feels like Friday, but we'd love to hear about what's going on for you this weekend.

If you want to know what's going on today on a civic media, you got, we got, there's a lot happening after us from 11 to two is Tom Hartman, bringing us some great information, great news, great songs, a lot of songs happening on the Tom Hartman show.

And then at two PM is the Todd Alba show.

Todd is looking at the headlines of the day and starts to preview the 2025 Wisconsin Badgers football season.

And Brad Bradley Ewing is who is a former badger and NFL player will possibly be on the show as well.

So you guys tune in to the Todd Alder show to see if Bradley's there, but it's going to be a great time.

Maggie Dawn's on from four to six.

She's talking about economy from a labor perspective.

That thing is a very, very important discussion, not just cause it's labor day, but because of those economic indicators.

And then she is joined by Heidi Scherholz from the Economic Policy Institute.

It's her show is packed.

Oh my goodness.

I can't tell you tell you everything.

I don't have time.

Just listen to the make you don't show 4 p.m.

To 6 p.m.

And then nightlight with Pete Schwabba Pete is back in town and he is talking to Dan Marcus who is the WGBW station manager and morning host they're gonna chat about Green Bay and W Green Bay morning host Emerson layman joins

at 720.

I mean, my gosh, I don't think I'm doing anything tonight, Kelvin.

I'm just going to listen to civic media.

Is that okay with you?

I'm not going to prep for tomorrow tonight.

I'm going to do it tomorrow because I got to listen to all these shows.

They're amazing.

That that works for me,

Greg.

You know,

skin off my nose.

Glad I have both your endorsement and permission.

But yeah, all those shows are great and

After Pete's done, there are still wonderful shows.

There's Rational Revolution.

There's Native Roots Radio.

Civic Media has everything you need.

Not only that, but great music as well.

And you can access that by getting the Civic Media app in your life.

It is absolutely free.

Download it from the Apple or Google Play Store.

Put it on your device and you can listen to us anywhere in the world.

And when I say anywhere in the world, Calvin, I mean it.

We have gotten text messages from Germany, from Vienna, from New Zealand, from all over

telling us that they're taking that time out of their day to listen to us and we 1000% appreciate it.

So you can always take us on the go, listen to the talk stations, listen to music, but doing that by getting the Civic Media app in your life.

Want to talk about this really quick.

This came across my email this morning.

Unfortunately, we couldn't make it work with a guest.

It was very last minute, but

You know, that's just how it works sometimes.

If you live in the La Crosse area and you have time at noon, this is happening at noon today in La Crosse at Copeland Park, there is going to be a protest.

held by the La Crosse County Dems.

They are protesting Vice President JD Vance's visit to La Crosse.

Just coming from the press release that was given to us.

Thank you, Hailey King.

Today, the La Crosse County Dems will hold a protest in response to Vice President JD Vance's visit to La Crosse.

Vance is visiting La Crosse to promote the GOP's big ugly bill, which will strip healthcare from nearly 300,000 Wisconsinites.

cost Wisconsin over $280 million and threatens to close rural hospitals, including the one in which the one in the district in which he is visiting.

Yes, that is.

I mean, those Calvin, you, you listen to the show every day because you're here.

You have no choice.

That's something we talk about every time we have a point to discuss the big bill for billionaires, the big blob of a bill, whatever you want to call it, maybe something less FCC compliant, but the knock on effects and the absolutely devastating

aftermath that's going to be this bill on Wisconsin, specifically on rural Wisconsin, closure of hospitals, pulling people off of health care, stripping social security, knocking down SNAP by many, many nickels, no matter what Derek Van Orton will tell us.

It's not one nickel that will be saved.

It will be many nickels that will be lost because of this bill, not to mention, and something I'm going to talk about in a moment here is the

the defunding of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, they are going to be closing either this month, I believe it's next month, they'll be closing their doors.

And that was a major funding source.

Taking government money, federal money, our tax dollars, think about a billion dollars a year and distributing it to various public television and radio networks around the country.

And I know the immediate thought is to go to NPR and to

PBS and that's great.

Those are wonderful stations.

I was watching Ken Burns baseball on PBS for the umpteenth billion time yesterday, but we're not just talking about them.

I don't want to claim that they'll be fine.

They will have to find more funding.

They will have to work harder to get funded, but those are national broadcasting systems.

Those are national brand labels.

People know them.

I'm talking about public broadcasting that is maybe not connected to either the two entities I'm talking about.

local stations here in Wisconsin.

I'm talking about local stations in other states where you find your free news information as far as public broadcasting goes.

And one of the things we talked about, I believe it was last week, we talked to Robert Pilat, speaking of native roots radio, which is on 8pm to 9pm on civic media at Monday through Friday, talking about the closure of the

Public broadcast the corporation for public broadcasting and its effects and one of the big effects on that will be on tribal stations and if I'm not mistaken in Wisconsin, there is only one tribal station in there and I believe it's W OBJ I might have that wrong.

Let me just look that up real quick.

I should have gotten that before but W OJB.

That's right.

That comes out of

That is serving the lack court oreles band and the Lake Superior Chippewa The station's ability to operate is currently in jeopardy due to budget cuts because of the closure of the corporation for public broadcasting We had Robert on the show to talk about this and if you listen on Labor Day, we're gonna be doing a special New slash curated best of show for you.

We are going to include our interview with Robert pilot talking about

the fact that the closure of the public broadcasting, closure for, sorry, the closure of the corporation for public broadcasting, it will affect NPR and PBS.

It will have a greater effect on public broadcasting, not affected by, not affiliated with those corporations.

But it's going to have a huge effect on tribal radio stations.

And in the Wisconsin Examiner yesterday, Jennifer Shute,

With the byline, Tribal radio stations wait on $9 million pledged in Congressional handshake deal, handshake.

Not written down, not legislated, not passed, not discussed, handshake deal.

The Tribal radio stations that are supposed to receive millions to fill the hole created when Congress eliminated funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting haven't heard anything from the Trump administration.

about when it will send the money or how the grants will be received.

This doesn't seem like a good idea, but you have to do what you have to do to get your money.

And I understand that it goes on to say unlike most government spending deals, the handshake deal was between South Dakota Republican Mike rounds, which negotiated with the White House, that was negotiated with the White House budget director in exchange for rounds vote on the recisions bill.

wasn't placed in the legislation, so it never became law.

So there was no guarantee that this $9.4 million in funding would happen.

It was a handshake deal, made in exchange for a vote, and so, and the problem is, no one knows when it's gonna come, or if it's going to come.

Loris Taylor is the president and CEO of Native Public Media, who by the way, I reached out to this morning,

to see if she or someone from native public media would come to the show.

They are a network of more than 60 broadcast stations, headquartered in Arizona.

She has written two rounds, Congress and the rounds, as well as the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is a part of the Department of the Interior, about the handshake deal in July, Calvin.

We're headed steer clear towards September, and she has not heard back from anyone.

She says, I can't place my expectations on something that hasn't been concretely shared with the stations.

And so all I can say is that our expectations are to raise money for the stations to make sure they have operational dollars for fiscal year 2026.

And that's exactly what we're placing our focus upon.

That is from Loris Taylor, who is the president and CEO of native public media.

And I'm telling all of you this.

because I want you to reach out to your representatives.

Now, it's not my grounds, he does not represent us, that is South Dakota, but you can talk to your representatives by going to myvote.wi.gov.

Tell them how important it is that public broadcasting stay funded, stay available, because it has effects.

Not having this information has effects in the communities, especially the rural communities, especially in tribal communities.

It's important to have the funding for this.

We also spoke to Kate Riley, who is the president and CEO of America's public television stations.

She talked to us about this and said that this is not a right-left thing.

This is about funding the broadcasting that gets to the people.

This is not about profit.

This is not about glitz and glamour.

This is not about the 24-hour news networks.

This is about giving people in their communities the news they need, including things like the weather.

Giving them information that allows them to prepare for emergency services or prepare for emergencies through these services are being cut possibly not funded.

And that is a problem.

So if you want to find out more, if you want to do this, go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

I'll put this information in the show notes.

You can find out more about how we can help out by raising our voices to the people who are our voices in Congress and in Madison.

mivo.wi.gov for more information as well as who represents you.

Go there, speak up, speak out.

It is your right.

You are listening to the Civic Media Radio Network.

We're going to be talking to the Civic Media meteorologist, Brittany Merleau.

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And she sent me a text 38 seconds ago.

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See, she's staying in touch.

It's great.

It's wonderful.

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Speaking of lovely support, wonderful people, award-winning individuals, it is 10-22 or 10-23 now.

I've been talking a lot, which means it's Thursday and it's time for weather and wine with Brittany Merlot.

Hello, Brittany.

Welcome back.

How are you, my friend?

Hey, Greg.

I'm doing pretty good.

Not too much winding about the weather these days.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

I know you're an award winner and I know that you deserve.

I should, you know, I've been told by your rider here.

Let me get your rider here.

It says, don't look Brittany directly in the eyes.

Don't ever call her Brittany on the air.

We refer to her as the award-winning meteorologist Brittany Thummerlo.

But I want to start here.

Uh, it was like a thousand degrees on a Monday and then Tuesday it's 58 degrees.

What's up?

Oh, yeah.

Well, you know, falls here, didn't you know?

Got here early.

So

what animal do we look at for that one?

I know for the groundhog that's spring, but what is it?

Like, you know, like a, like a, I don't know, a weasel or ferret.

There needs to be one.

I don't know.

If there is one, let me know.

I will monitor it as well.

Okay.

All right.

Well,

I mean, it was nice to open the windows up.

It actually helped with sleeping.

It helped with just, you know, air conditioning is nice, but there is something to be said about cool, fresh air running through the house and just kind of invigorating the vibe.

But yeah, so I mean, that's where we're heading, right?

Are we, are we there there or is it about seeing maybe some hotter temperatures coming down the road?

So, I was looking at the extended forecast.

Now, as we go into this week on Labor Day weekend, we are gonna warm things up by Sunday and Monday, feeling more buggy, a bit more summery out there.

I mean, upper 70s, low 80s are still gonna be hit.

But then we do have another system moving in another cold front on Wednesday next week, which is gonna push us right back down again.

So as we go into next weekend, it looks below average still.

And of course, NOAA and the outlook for the extended forecast is still putting us below average.

Plus, the La Nina watch that I was talking about last week still out.

So I mean, I think fall might just be here earlier, but I am still seeing 80 degree temperatures sneaking in.

I do not see 90s in the future, but I mean.

We have seen 90 degrees sneak in in November before.

Anything can happen.

Oh, no, I mean, well, it's Wisconsin.

It could be it could be raining locusts in 20 minutes.

I'd be like, it's Wisconsin.

Now, one of the

things you got a frost advisory to tonight.

What?

And speaking of, yeah, way up north, the Ashland, Iron, Vilas counties, they're going to be dropping to about 32, 35 degrees tonight in summer.

Frost advisory

out.

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

I mean, literally

we

have what?

We have less than four months of shopping days, less before Christmas.

So sorry, didn't mean to put that anxiety on the listeners right now, but that's just the truth.

That's how time marches on.

One of the things you wanted to also talk about, and I just want to get this correct in the verbiage, you said big waves on the lake and rip currents.

Yes.

Okay.

So I love tracking.

the waves on the Great Lakes.

And right now they are rocking.

I mean, we're looking at seven, eight foot waves in the middle of the lake and those currents are getting pretty strong by the coast.

So stay away from the water if you can today, big waves.

But if you are going to be out there, take the safety and precautions to stay safe.

All right.

Wear that life jacket.

Don't try to look cool.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that lifejack doesn't make me look cool.

Although, I don't have a lot of experience on boats, so I really can't tell you.

But yeah, I would wear a lifejacket.

I felt that way before, so that's why I preach it.

I want the tan.

I don't want this lifejacket on.

But then when you think about when emergency happens and it's not near you on you, you can't really get to it.

So I wear it every time.

Rock the tan lines.

And this is a situation in which the live stream is very important because if you look at Brittany, you can tell that tanning is something that couldn't happen for her versus me, who I have to wear essentially SPF flannel shirt amount of sunscreen and

I still

managed to burn indoors.

So really, I don't think a lifejacket's going to hinder or help my look of

Feeling cool, but yeah, I get you're a cool person.

You've won awards.

So anything else we need to know before we get out of here for the day

You know, I just wanted to say that there's this really really cool device that I just found out about I'm doing a story on it and it's a worldwide search-and-rescue satellite aided tracking system I thought this was just for you know, like a black box for clean crashes big disasters

No, you can actually get a personal one.

So if you're headed out this weekend into the woods, out boating, doing something in remote areas, this is the fastest way to get emergency rescue help.

They'll know exactly where you are.

It's some pretty cool stuff.

So I just wanted to throw that out there before people go out and adventure this weekend or play in the water, but there is something we can have with us to help just in case.

And you're writing a story about that, you said?

Yep.

And you'll be on our website and everything later today with all the information, but it's a pretty cool thing.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, you can go to civicmedia.us slash news for that information.

There's all sorts of great news, weather sports, entertainment, Wisconsin and politics, civicmedia.us slash news.

Brittany, thank you so much for being here today.

I love talking to you during weather and wine and I wish you nothing but warm weather and the most fashionable of life jackets.

Thank you so much.

Hey, I'm rocking the flammable right now.

Flammable watch across the sun.

All right, folks, don't go anywhere because after the news, we are going to be welcoming Paul Noon into the show to talk everything, sports, brewers, packers, what's going on.

Don't go anywhere.

Get some water.

Stay hydrated.

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And you're also listening to Matt and Aaron here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Welcome back to Matt and air on air on the civic media radio network.

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Very happy to have him here today.

It's Thursday.

So that means it's time to break down all sports news with our sports guru.

Acme packing company writer, Mr. Paul Nunez back.

Paul, how are you doing this morning?

I'm doing great.

How are you?

I'm doing fine.

Fine.

As a brewers fan, I am as as

Wisconsin State Representative Francesca Hong would say, nauseously optimistic right now about the Brewers.

I went to the game on Friday and I think I went with political editor Dan Schaefer to the game on Friday against the Giants.

And I will tell you this, it was the most roller coaster game I've ever attended.

It was back and forth.

I was angry.

I was happy.

And then at the end, when William Contreras hit, wait, yes, William Contreras.

William Contreras.

Yes, it

was Contreras.

Hit that home run.

It's that thing where our seats where you couldn't tell if it was going to be caught or if it was out, out of the park.

And I screamed and yelled so hard that my.

that, that thing of like blinding light comes over your eyes and I almost passed out.

Cause I just, I can't remember the last time I went to a game, really that exciting.

It was really exciting.

I was great cause we won, but good baseball, good offense, good defense, not so much the rest of the weekend.

And unfortunately the Euker day didn't do as well, but the brewers are still the best team in baseball with a wreck, a great record.

They're still number one in the division with a six and a half game lead.

But you know this, Brewers fans are going, Oh God, how are we going to, how are we going to, how are we going to whiff this?

How are we going to whiff this?

I don't think they're going to whiff it, but they definitely have more headwinds now than they had a couple of weeks ago.

Um, and they have done a good job to play a good baseball and at least capitalize on what other teams do poorly.

Arizona, by the way, um, is the third highest scoring team in baseball.

So, uh, the Brewers have given up quite a few runs to them.

yesterday they have pitching did well but um Joy Ortiz is injured and is hopefully going to be ready for the playoffs and Andrew Monasterio has done well so far but Ortiz especially the bat but Ortiz is like the best defensive shortstop in baseball so that's a hit and um I feel like this happens to the Brewers every year around this time but Trevor McGill is hurt uh he is on the IL he has a flexor tendon strain

It McGill's comments make it sound like it's not gonna be that bad, which hopefully is the case But it's never good to lose your closer going into the last month of the season like yeah, we have Devon Williams punching walls We have Josh Hader getting hurt and traded like It'd be nice if they just had this remain healthy.

It's worth noting McGill has actually been touched up a little bit going into this So I think it's been probably bugging him for a little bit Hopefully they get him right

The good news, of course, is the Brewers have a just good pipeline of pitchers.

Abner and Reba will step into the closer role and probably be fine.

That Shelby Miller acquisition that the deadline is looking really important right now.

And they did pick up Eric Feddy, who is just out there free agents.

Hopefully they can turn him in.

So a few years ago, Eric Feddy actually had a really good year for the terrible White Sox team.

He was the best player on the worst White Sox team of all time that last year.

And actually their trade deadline

They're big move to get some prospects.

They move But he's been terrible since that he has like a 5.6 era Hopefully the Brewers pitching lab sees something in him and they could turn him into a long man or something like that, but They'll be able to weather McGill fine But it's also worth noting that Quinn Priester was supposed to start yesterday and he didn't he has what Pat Murphy referred to as quote a wrist thing on

God, I love Pat Murphy's just descriptions.

They didn't put him on the aisle.

So he's Yeah, probably he's probably okay.

But they're pitching depth is being tested a little bit.

So for all you pessimists out there, that's the kind of thing that might jump up and get them.

But they are just really deep pitching wise and they can probably weather the storm like the worst Brewer bullpen guys are like Grant Anderson.

And he's got like a sub three era.

So

We should be fine.

Okay.

But, you know, they're banged up.

They're more banged up than they have been for quite a while.

Fortunately, the Cubs lost last night.

So,

um, fortunately, when they

do in doing their part to chip in and keep us with the six and a half game lead.

Yeah.

Fortunately for me, I'm always happy when they lose, but that's just me.

I know no ill will just saying, please keep losing the Cubs.

Uh, so I want to, okay.

So, and that, and, and for me, you know, you and JR Radcliffe have done a great job for me as a brewers fan to keep.

my feet grounded in reality and that this isn't like other winning streaks quote unquote this is this is positive playing through good planning and losses are going to happen and that's just you know 162 games that's what's going to happen there's no getting around if you if you want 162 games in a row I don't know what would go that's a that's a deal with the devil we know

gotta be cheating.

That's a deal with the devil.

We're not the Astros.

That's right.

I said 2017.

Never forget.

But I wanted to talk to you really quick, Paul, because you brought this up before and we're always talking about a lot in sports.

And I wanted to break something down really quick with you because this is something that's kind of always escaped my brain as a baseball fan.

But please explain to me what run differentials are and how important they are because I know that you and JR and other friends of mine who really know baseball.

talk about this, get excited about it.

And by the way, if you're just joining us on mat and air on air, we're talking to Paul Newton, who's one of our sports gurus.

He's a writer for the Acme packing company.

And he is going to talk a little bit in the wonkier world of baseball.

So discuss run differentials.

All right.

So one of the things I do for football and baseball, like my sports job is

search out what is luck and what is not and what is likely to kind of crash back down to earth one way or the other or ascend up to earth.

And so one of the crazy things about baseball is that if you want to predict how a team is going to do going forward, their wins and losses aren't as accurate in doing so as the run scored and runs against.

Basically runs scored and against predict your future wins and losses better than wins and losses do.

And so you can kind of tell if a team is a little bit fraudulent or playing under what they should by looking at where the record should be based on the runs scored and runs against versus the win-loss record.

And this is actually pretty old now, but there's a couple of different ways to do it.

But the fun old basic one is actually called Pythagorean record.

Oh, boy.

So the reason it's called Pythagorean record is that the formula to calculate it actually looks very similar to the Pythagorean theorem, a squared plus b squared equals c squared on the right track.

It is it's not the exact same, but it's similar.

They got that name.

And just by using this formula and run scored runs against, you can see what a team should have done to this point, which is also what they're likely to do going forward by the brewers, by the way.

I have scored 684 runs and allowed 523.

They are currently 83 and 51.

And their Pythagorean record is also 83 and 51.

So they have been exactly what they should be.

But every year, there are some teams that are definitely playing over their heads quite a bit.

If memory serves, the Blue Jays are right now.

Let me just pick up the West really quick.

But over in the AL East,

The Toronto Blue Jays have only outscored their opponents by 60 runs, and they're in first place by four games.

The Yankees, who are in third, have outscored their opponents by 119.

So that is a division where there may be some regression that's due to happen to one of those teams.

And so the Blue Jays are good, but the Yankees are probably better.

The Red Sox, by the way, plus 107, they're probably better too.

That's the kind of thing we look at with run differential and why it's important.

It is also important in football, by the way.

It may be more important in football because there's just so much more luck in football with turnovers and 17 game seasons than in baseball.

And you can't cheat run differential a little bit.

if your closer and your kind of back end bullpen is nails.

Because one of the ways you can cheat it is by winning more one run games than you kind of should.

And if your closer is truly excellent, you can kind of pull that off.

And the Brewers have been good at that too.

But yeah, there's a lot of baseball stats like this.

There's a stat called FIP, whatever.

It projects ERA going forward better than ERA.

So like if a pitcher has a good FIP and a bad ERA, they're likely to

pitch better in the future than they have in the recent past.

There's a bunch of things like that we look at.

This sounds like fortune telling madness to me.

Like you guys are like, like it's like predictors of the future.

It's like that's that.

I mean, I'm not going to doubt it because you guys have been doing, you've guys been using these formulas on these stats for years, but this is mind blowing to me.

And what it sounds like is, is, you know, just because it kind of breaks the notion to that just because you score a lot of runs doesn't mean you're actually

gonna be in first place it just means you've scored a lot of runs because

that that's pretty much it i mean there's a lot of luck that goes into all sports even a sport like baseball with a big sample size and like you can do your best but um even over the course of three quarters of a season

there's still going to be a huge amount of luck that's involved.

There is, I won't go into this in too much detail, but there's another baseball concept called cluster luck, which looks at essentially how your hits, I know it's fun,

how your

hits line up.

So basically think about it like this.

If you hit three singles in a row, you're likely to score at least one run in that scenario.

If you hit a single,

then there's an out, then a single, then an out, and then like, and you get another out in the inning ends, then you get another single, you get a score of no runs.

If your singles basically are spaced incorrectly, you won't score as much.

And the spacing of your hits is pretty random.

And so if you actually look at that, and like it's actually one of the causes of

kind of your Pythagorean being low sometimes.

But if your hits are all crunched together in a good way, you'll score more runs than you should.

The Brewers have actually had a fair amount of cluster luck this year.

They're good at stringing singles together.

That is something that can unwind itself over time.

I do think there's a lot working for the Brewers.

They're so fast.

They have all those infield singles that aren't luck.

Those are earned because the team is just wheels except for Contreras and Drevon.

That's something that can come back to bite teams, too, and the cause of a lot of

luck.

In a minute and a half we have left, is there anything to report on the Packers you said before?

It's kind of smooth moving ahead.

We've got the season starting.

Anything you want to specifically talk on before we get out of here?

So, no big surprises on the Packers.

Their roster's pretty well set.

No big surprise cuts.

They've had quite a few injuries that they've been able to stash people away for a little bit too.

Like Jayden Reed's been in a boot and has a Jones fracture apparently.

The main thing with the Packers is they are kind of banged up.

They're likely to go into week one missing.

I'm guessing at least

Jayden Reed will see, maybe he'll get himself on the field, but a little bit under-mended receiver and a little bit under-mended offensive line.

Fortunately, they are deep there.

I will leave you with one, we haven't against the lines, but one Vikings thing, since we're talking about luck, the Vikings.

went nine and two last year in one score games.

That is a statistic that usually crushes you horribly the next season.

One score games, the NFL are coin flips for all teams, no matter how good your quarterback is or anything like that.

That being seven points or under teams that exceed that by more than seven games, almost always come back to 500 or below next year.

So you can knock four or five wins off the Vikings from last year right away.

I remember they went like four, 13 and four last year.